(And you can play more than one note on a monophonic synth eg. multiple oscs, using filter resonance, etc. But my comment was intended to be drenched in sarcasm...)
Stop being assholes, and start liking music, PERIOD. I respect the strictly synth hobbyists, but no point on being sarcastic or negative over a disagreement. If people do that, the brain may just start evolving again.
do you know if you buy a normal keyboard from the store that has 'general midi' capibilities if you can use it like a midi controller. as in use it to play plugins on the computer through applications like protools and record midi that way?
do you know if you buy a normal keyboard from the store that has 'general midi' capibilities if you can use it like a midi controller. as in use it to play plugins on the computer through applications like protools and record midi that way?
@Vlern Hi Vlern -- nope, I made 3 and that was enough!! The keyboards were harvested from wurlitzers and the retrofit was a bit of a pain. I don't like assembling anything with tons of wiring work anymore. I'd love to do a monosynth design again at some point, but the video synthesizer stuff is consuming me for the time being.
You know what.. the big, peculiar (and perhaps only) potential of monos is in the synthesys, so they must necessarily be powerful. I mean a lot of oscillator, modulation and filter power.
And twickability of course, which is the ergonomical aspect of the idea.
So I think the best application of a mono synth is not at all playing them, but sample them, make them better, process them beyond it's dull native possibilities.
Okay then: mono synths are the greatest sound machine ever. Still, does anyone (not counting analog gear, mono and ping-pong sounds fanatics) actually listen to this sort of music?
I'd use a mono only to complete the sound palette in a studio full of (analog + digital) poly synths and samplers. Just look at how much more versatile is the Poly Evolver in comparison to the Mono Evolver (and the latter is a lot more versatile than a traditional snalog mono.
the argument of the ages, though certainly a moot point on either end.
personally, though, i dare you to show me that a poly, soft, digital or any kind of synth can replicate for instance my sci pro one so that i could not immediately tell the difference.
you can't beat analogue sound, in my book.
you can't convince me otherwise, either, so why try?
what's the point of replicating a sci pro one? One can buy it in the second hand market if you need to cover that specif aspect. But to make music, almost any music, you need polyphony. And also with the ridiculously low cost of digital memory, what's the point of paying a lot to have no digital effects at all, nor memories? It was the top the in the 70's, but in the '80s there were so many instruments without those limitations, like the roland analog poly synths to name a few.
YpsiSynth,I'm NOT discussing the usefulness of a mono,but:If you can make a 2 osc mono and appeal to 100,then,with so little more impl. of available technology,you can make a poly,wavetables,memories(who wants to loose sounds??)and appeal to 100000!Even humble poly with VCF/ADSR is musically a quantum leap from any mono with 10 LFOs.You know where you can put your LFOs if I can't even make a two-note chord... Are we comparing swimming in the sea to agitating in a bathroom? All right, never mind.
A synth is made to make music sound good. So it has to be powerful than a radio, complex, well designed, and with good components. And must let make a damned fantastic sounds, not boring ones. Sorry but, everything being equal, I just don't get why I should prefer a mono to a poly, and a 3 waves source to wavetables, let alone samples, let alone the ability to sample
But, mdl76, I people buy your synth, I have no problem with it. How much is it?
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MARANTZamp, this is my last post. It's not much about this particular synth - I think afterall they did a good job, I never said it's not a good synth, I complained about the perceived role of monos in general in respect, for example, to polysynths, which can't be not taken into consideration.(Some say they could do without anything except their mono. Bullshit) And it's this technical bigotry of some of you blabblers that makes me laugh. I'm tired now. Can't you really understand this. Byebye.
It was a very good option 30 years ago. paired with simple step sequencers it just made sense, for some groove, ripetitive, melody. But not the same making this today.Why not design something more, then?
Why don't you make a poly version? Please!
Why dont' you make a wavetable as the source instead of the same 2 oscillators heard for ages? Let's have more depth of synthesis than 3 waves, VCF, LFO (I want many!) and ADSR. I can have a top Emulator IV for 300 dollars. A JX3p + knobs for the same.
I agree with you, but why do people still prefer old cars with little bells and whistles, why do people still you a record player instead of a fancy IPOD.
Both technologies are great. I just prefer mono sometimes for their simpleness... I do have a DSI poly evolver keyboard... that gives me all I need ;-)
Oh please don't start with car analogies and whatever analogies. Why? because everyone knows old cars were better made, they last a lot longer, and many models were beautiful, more beautiful than many recent models. Still, on less nostalgic and idealistic aspects (nothing wrong with it), but raw power and convenience, sometimes nothing can beat a new great Porsche. As average, todays's cars are shitty and we agree.
well, it depends on the record player! A typical old plastic sony record player's value is close to zero. Some are said to have high value, just like the spits of well known artists adored by the critics. I know such things do not compare very well, anyway it is true taht some things are far from reality and accepted nontheless,for complex psicological,social,difficult to tell,reasons,mechanisms.And if we talk about collecting, well people do collect any type of things,including used phone cards
Ever walked in music shop and tried a mighty "normal", digital synth? Of course many sounds may not be for everyones taste, but have you listened how varied, complex, evolving and sculptured sounds you can have? Aren't they incredibly more interesting?
What's the point of making a mono today (unless for a ridiculosly tiny amount of money or if it's adventurous like an Odyssey)? I can have square and saw waves and decent filter anyway with any synth, analog, digital, and soft.
Analogue monosynths sound so cold, so monotimbric, so unexpressive.
No wonder when the DX7 and D50 came people would sell even their minimoogs and music really started to jump, from monomatic ipnotic madness/nothingness.
Monosynths are good mainly for basses,which don't usually need to be varied and complex; just deep and powerfull; a good LPF is of course of great help.
Mdl76,I like it,your answer was relaxed.Uncommon with the usual analog mono fanatic.Don't get me wrong,I use analog synths very often,Roland,Akai,..I admit also Minimoog,Crumar DS2,Cruise,but almost only for basses,with an exception:Odyssey.And I love the true analog filter on wavavetables and samplers.I wish you to succede.But I'd never buy a new mono.With a couple of dollars I'd just grab a musically versatile,poly raw beast like the xiosynth.Analog osc & Mono = just poorer sounding machines
Well if you prefer thin sounds like ping pong squeek squaak ziiing to the possibility of full deep, maybe evolving, chords, plus the possibility of saving, recalling, adding oscillators/waves/samples/ that you want, multiple effects, and whatever is possible with a half decent 300$ modern instruments of the, say, last 20 years? Okay, I believe you. There are things so much more curious here in youtube. No problem.
Interpreted as: "Well ok, if you like thick ass acid squeals through a nice fat 12db/octave filter that self-oscillates or a throbbing overdriven bassline with euphonic clipping only discrete transistors can provide then ok fine, but for my overbaked wanky prog rock I can't make a cheesy pad run thru "Hall 1" reverb on your hand-built synth "
Sorry I haven't piped in before. There is a spiritual aspect about forcing voltage through a purely analogue circuit to create sound that digital or digitally controlled simulations of these circuits lack. Handbuilt instruments hold more of their creator's energy, and I believe that can pass on as inspiration. Like an heirloom guitar. If you believe in such stuff.
Analogue monosynth being especially good for solos is mainly a common places, probably do to the fact that some one has used them in the past, when they were relatively new and the alternative was using a guitar, a trumpet, a violin. Or for specifically and intentionally unpleasant acid sounds in some 'modern' styles that demand such poor, persistent sounds, or things like retro festivals.
way funky
hongdekong 5 months ago
One of youtube's finest! Thanks for posting.
stirruped 7 months ago
It is bad for our rate of cholesterol :) Nice ;)
kellyssa3 10 months ago
Rockin.
gorejuice 1 year ago
Dude, why play a cello or violin or flute when you could play a piano or guitar??? Polyphony rocks, man...
belushipumpkin 1 year ago
@belushipumpkin
You can play more than one note on a violin...
DreamLaef 9 months ago
@DreamLaef
(And you can play more than one note on a monophonic synth eg. multiple oscs, using filter resonance, etc. But my comment was intended to be drenched in sarcasm...)
belushipumpkin 9 months ago
@belushipumpkin Polyphony? What has that got to do with polyphony? Dude, no instruments are better than others :P
snakeweirdo 8 months ago
Stop being assholes, and start liking music, PERIOD. I respect the strictly synth hobbyists, but no point on being sarcastic or negative over a disagreement. If people do that, the brain may just start evolving again.
adamtheskunk 1 year ago
I'm loving that snare
weatherkop 1 year ago
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do you know if you buy a normal keyboard from the store that has 'general midi' capibilities if you can use it like a midi controller. as in use it to play plugins on the computer through applications like protools and record midi that way?
thanks my man. good playing btw.
mablob 1 year ago
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do you know if you buy a normal keyboard from the store that has 'general midi' capibilities if you can use it like a midi controller. as in use it to play plugins on the computer through applications like protools and record midi that way?
thanks my man. good playing btw.
mablob 1 year ago
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mablob 1 year ago
it sounds like a bunch of people burping, farting, and shooting lazers!!
geraldfort913 1 year ago 22
@geraldfort913 haha, please do an animation or concept art for this
xerfes 1 year ago
I love this synth, Lars, do you plan on making more of these?
Vlern 1 year ago
@Vlern Hi Vlern -- nope, I made 3 and that was enough!! The keyboards were harvested from wurlitzers and the retrofit was a bit of a pain. I don't like assembling anything with tons of wiring work anymore. I'd love to do a monosynth design again at some point, but the video synthesizer stuff is consuming me for the time being.
lzxindustries 1 year ago
i has no arms
dawoof 2 years ago
You know what.. the big, peculiar (and perhaps only) potential of monos is in the synthesys, so they must necessarily be powerful. I mean a lot of oscillator, modulation and filter power.
And twickability of course, which is the ergonomical aspect of the idea.
So I think the best application of a mono synth is not at all playing them, but sample them, make them better, process them beyond it's dull native possibilities.
donpirla 2 years ago
Okay then: mono synths are the greatest sound machine ever. Still, does anyone (not counting analog gear, mono and ping-pong sounds fanatics) actually listen to this sort of music?
I'd use a mono only to complete the sound palette in a studio full of (analog + digital) poly synths and samplers. Just look at how much more versatile is the Poly Evolver in comparison to the Mono Evolver (and the latter is a lot more versatile than a traditional snalog mono.
donpirla 2 years ago
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psylux42 2 years ago
donpirla,
it is obvious you prefer the new school.
analogue vs. digital.
the argument of the ages, though certainly a moot point on either end.
personally, though, i dare you to show me that a poly, soft, digital or any kind of synth can replicate for instance my sci pro one so that i could not immediately tell the difference.
you can't beat analogue sound, in my book.
you can't convince me otherwise, either, so why try?
schiele1 2 years ago
what's the point of replicating a sci pro one? One can buy it in the second hand market if you need to cover that specif aspect. But to make music, almost any music, you need polyphony. And also with the ridiculously low cost of digital memory, what's the point of paying a lot to have no digital effects at all, nor memories? It was the top the in the 70's, but in the '80s there were so many instruments without those limitations, like the roland analog poly synths to name a few.
donpirla 2 years ago
It's swell! :-)
poiuyt172 2 years ago
donpirla is a bitch
bobbymissile 2 years ago
this demonstrates nothing
donpirla 2 years ago
is this music?
dingiq 2 years ago
YpsiSynth,I'm NOT discussing the usefulness of a mono,but:If you can make a 2 osc mono and appeal to 100,then,with so little more impl. of available technology,you can make a poly,wavetables,memories(who wants to loose sounds??)and appeal to 100000!Even humble poly with VCF/ADSR is musically a quantum leap from any mono with 10 LFOs.You know where you can put your LFOs if I can't even make a two-note chord... Are we comparing swimming in the sea to agitating in a bathroom? All right, never mind.
donpirla 3 years ago
donpirla is a bitch
alienmode 2 years ago
A synth is made to make music sound good. So it has to be powerful than a radio, complex, well designed, and with good components. And must let make a damned fantastic sounds, not boring ones. Sorry but, everything being equal, I just don't get why I should prefer a mono to a poly, and a 3 waves source to wavetables, let alone samples, let alone the ability to sample
But, mdl76, I people buy your synth, I have no problem with it. How much is it?
donpirla 3 years ago
what the hell are you babbling about?
MARANTZamp 2 years ago
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MARANTZamp, this is my last post. It's not much about this particular synth - I think afterall they did a good job, I never said it's not a good synth, I complained about the perceived role of monos in general in respect, for example, to polysynths, which can't be not taken into consideration.(Some say they could do without anything except their mono. Bullshit) And it's this technical bigotry of some of you blabblers that makes me laugh. I'm tired now. Can't you really understand this. Byebye.
donpirla 2 years ago
TL;DR Guy hates analog music.
You sir, are an idiot.
HottDiggityDaffodil 2 years ago 2
It was a very good option 30 years ago. paired with simple step sequencers it just made sense, for some groove, ripetitive, melody. But not the same making this today.Why not design something more, then?
Why don't you make a poly version? Please!
Why dont' you make a wavetable as the source instead of the same 2 oscillators heard for ages? Let's have more depth of synthesis than 3 waves, VCF, LFO (I want many!) and ADSR. I can have a top Emulator IV for 300 dollars. A JX3p + knobs for the same.
donpirla 3 years ago
I agree with you, but why do people still prefer old cars with little bells and whistles, why do people still you a record player instead of a fancy IPOD.
Both technologies are great. I just prefer mono sometimes for their simpleness... I do have a DSI poly evolver keyboard... that gives me all I need ;-)
YpsiSynth 3 years ago
Oh please don't start with car analogies and whatever analogies. Why? because everyone knows old cars were better made, they last a lot longer, and many models were beautiful, more beautiful than many recent models. Still, on less nostalgic and idealistic aspects (nothing wrong with it), but raw power and convenience, sometimes nothing can beat a new great Porsche. As average, todays's cars are shitty and we agree.
donpirla 3 years ago
well, it depends on the record player! A typical old plastic sony record player's value is close to zero. Some are said to have high value, just like the spits of well known artists adored by the critics. I know such things do not compare very well, anyway it is true taht some things are far from reality and accepted nontheless,for complex psicological,social,difficult to tell,reasons,mechanisms.And if we talk about collecting, well people do collect any type of things,including used phone cards
donpirla 3 years ago
great stuff man..... keep you the good work.
mdl76 3 years ago
Ever walked in music shop and tried a mighty "normal", digital synth? Of course many sounds may not be for everyones taste, but have you listened how varied, complex, evolving and sculptured sounds you can have? Aren't they incredibly more interesting?
What's the point of making a mono today (unless for a ridiculosly tiny amount of money or if it's adventurous like an Odyssey)? I can have square and saw waves and decent filter anyway with any synth, analog, digital, and soft.
donpirla 3 years ago
Its a analog thing.. you wouldn't get it....
mdl76 3 years ago
square waves, resonance all the way... pffff..
Analogue monosynths sound so cold, so monotimbric, so unexpressive.
No wonder when the DX7 and D50 came people would sell even their minimoogs and music really started to jump, from monomatic ipnotic madness/nothingness.
Monosynths are good mainly for basses,which don't usually need to be varied and complex; just deep and powerfull; a good LPF is of course of great help.
But for the rest: forgettable.
donpirla 3 years ago
It does take a smart person with talent to make good music on monosynths... you should stick to your digital gear.
mdl76 3 years ago
Mdl76,I like it,your answer was relaxed.Uncommon with the usual analog mono fanatic.Don't get me wrong,I use analog synths very often,Roland,Akai,..I admit also Minimoog,Crumar DS2,Cruise,but almost only for basses,with an exception:Odyssey.And I love the true analog filter on wavavetables and samplers.I wish you to succede.But I'd never buy a new mono.With a couple of dollars I'd just grab a musically versatile,poly raw beast like the xiosynth.Analog osc & Mono = just poorer sounding machines
donpirla 3 years ago
and fast forward 20 years later....a dx7 is STILL a piece of shit, but minimoog's go for $2,500.
the writing is on the wall my friend.
MARANTZamp 2 years ago
Well if you prefer thin sounds like ping pong squeek squaak ziiing to the possibility of full deep, maybe evolving, chords, plus the possibility of saving, recalling, adding oscillators/waves/samples/ that you want, multiple effects, and whatever is possible with a half decent 300$ modern instruments of the, say, last 20 years? Okay, I believe you. There are things so much more curious here in youtube. No problem.
donpirla 2 years ago
Interpreted as: "Well ok, if you like thick ass acid squeals through a nice fat 12db/octave filter that self-oscillates or a throbbing overdriven bassline with euphonic clipping only discrete transistors can provide then ok fine, but for my overbaked wanky prog rock I can't make a cheesy pad run thru "Hall 1" reverb on your hand-built synth "
psylux42 2 years ago 11
Hah!
Sorry I haven't piped in before. There is a spiritual aspect about forcing voltage through a purely analogue circuit to create sound that digital or digitally controlled simulations of these circuits lack. Handbuilt instruments hold more of their creator's energy, and I believe that can pass on as inspiration. Like an heirloom guitar. If you believe in such stuff.
creatorlars 2 years ago 2
acid sounds are the most painful.
donpirla 3 years ago
Then do not listen.... there are thousands of more vids on youtube.
mdl76 3 years ago
I know, but I fell into this trap
donpirla 3 years ago
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I know, but I fell into this trap
donpirla 3 years ago
Baseline sounds like melting chocolate =P very groovy!
mariohacker1 3 years ago
very cool man , whats the drum machine ??????
petrokemikal 3 years ago
After looking loads of these demos I would like to hear a bright solo sound for a change. I have heard a rumour synths are a versatile instrument.
konked 3 years ago
Analogue monosynth being especially good for solos is mainly a common places, probably do to the fact that some one has used them in the past, when they were relatively new and the alternative was using a guitar, a trumpet, a violin. Or for specifically and intentionally unpleasant acid sounds in some 'modern' styles that demand such poor, persistent sounds, or things like retro festivals.
donpirla 3 years ago
Why so negative?
mdl76 3 years ago
sounds more interesting than a 303! nice lazarz!
denshiblocks 3 years ago
ahah, what a difficult match
donpirla 3 years ago
well done, sounds good !
squamam 3 years ago