The part where the universe (sky) is created after the earth is not in the verse that GodlessSaudi quoted. That one says the earth was made flat after the sky was built and was given a dark night and a bright day.
The verses which give the fucked up order of the earth first then the sky are from 41:9-12
he made the earth and its sustenance in 4 days while the sky was in this unformed "smokey" state. then he turned to the sky and made it seven layers, then he made the stars, in 2 days.
Hi Klingschor, by and large i think your work is fantastic, but there's always one thing i wanted to draw your attention to, that is the idea of there being an ijm'a regarding the earth being flat, the famous 'Hanbali' scholar Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned in Majmu'ul-Fatawa about 150 years earlier that there was a consensus amongst the Muslims and the ulama that 'celestial bodies are round (istidaratul-aflak)'...
...furthermore Abu Ya'la who died in around the 1390's wrote in Tabaqatal-Hanabilah (Biographical Entries of the Hanabali Scholars), that there is a unanimous consensus that earth is 'round'... so i don't think that quoting as-Suyuti's later position particularly convinces Muslims that there was this solid precedent of a belief in flat earth creationism.
You didn't need almost thirty minutes to address this article, as any rational response to Abdelhady can be summarized with "What is this I don't even"
You sound a helluvalot like Non-Stampcollector...
Are you two twins or something?
Btw, awesome video. That Muslim guy is fucking stupid "It takes the earth 1 day to rotate around its own axis"... Well.. Duh.. That's what we have decided a day is.. The amount of time it takes for a planet to revolve around itself (or just Earth, once we go into space too).
Divine duo? Holy shit batman! Your existence was predicted by a divine being. Screw your high standards, whatever you do will be right because you are a deity.
oops, last logical is fromally wrong. Sal: "if order then god" is negated in the logic to "if no god then no order". But "if no order" has no logical implication about 'god'.
It is a waste of time to respond to the substance of his statements. You should be analyzing how his propaganda is designed to influence listeners. What part of the koran each point comes from, when his listeners learn it, who teaches it to them, why they continue to believe in the face of evidence.
Just like the "birthers" are just using the birth certificate argument to disguise racism, the muslim apologists use code from the koran as subtext to influence their listeners.
I just looked at some his publications and found he's a total idiot. His Ph.D. is from communist CZ and he speaks Russian being Egyptian. That adds up to a below par degree.
This becomes painfully apparent in his flawed logic and academic capabilities.
This paper is either the single dumbest use of logic in history, or the single greatest use of ironic rhetoric in history. How I wish it were the later.
You coks
likklejay1 1 month ago
The part where the universe (sky) is created after the earth is not in the verse that GodlessSaudi quoted. That one says the earth was made flat after the sky was built and was given a dark night and a bright day.
The verses which give the fucked up order of the earth first then the sky are from 41:9-12
he made the earth and its sustenance in 4 days while the sky was in this unformed "smokey" state. then he turned to the sky and made it seven layers, then he made the stars, in 2 days.
hasenj 1 month ago
just to nitpick :P
at 12:05 is a logical mistake.
If there's order -> there's a god
does *not* imply that
if there's no order -> there's no god
It would have to be:
only if there's order in the universe -> there's a god
hasenj 1 month ago
I love your videos! Please don't leave like TheRatinalizer and the CEMBadmin guy!
CMO999 2 months ago
@CMO999
I ain't leavin' - I'll be here for many more years, as I have so much research and information to disseminate pertaining to Islam :)
Klingschor 2 months ago
@CMO999
I ain't leavin' - I'll be here for many more years, as I have so much research and information to disseminate pertaining to Islam :)
Klingschor 2 months ago
@CMO999
I ain't leavin' - I'll be here for many more years, as I still have so much research and information to disseminate pertaining to Islam :)
Klingschor 2 months ago
@CMO999
I ain't leavin' - I'll be here for many more years, as I still have so much research and information to disseminate pertaining to Islam :)
Klingschor 2 months ago
@Klingschor : I HEARD YOU ARE A GREAT DEBATER :)
I AM A MUSLIM AND ISLAM IS THE TRUTH :) !!!
MOADAM2010 2 months ago
@MOADAM2010
It's audio or nothing - take it or leave it:
/watch?v=RsV2Vn6wv0k
Klingschor 2 months ago
@Klingschor : DONT HAVE SKYPE :)
MOADAM2010 2 months ago
@Klingschor : I WANT YOUR SO CALLED FRIENDS 2 SEE IT HERE ON YOUR CHANNEL ;) !!!
MOADAM2010 2 months ago
@MOADAM2010
I will record our discussion/debate and post it on to youtube. Now, download Skype (its free and EASY) and lets D-D-D-D-D-Dual!!!!!!
Klingschor 2 months ago
There is no god, and Klingschor kicks his ass ;)
SeltsamerAttraktor 2 months ago
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Hi Klingschor, by and large i think your work is fantastic, but there's always one thing i wanted to draw your attention to, that is the idea of there being an ijm'a regarding the earth being flat, the famous 'Hanbali' scholar Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned in Majmu'ul-Fatawa about 150 years earlier that there was a consensus amongst the Muslims and the ulama that 'celestial bodies are round (istidaratul-aflak)'...
Gargatuan1989 2 months ago
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Gargatuan1989 2 months ago
...furthermore Abu Ya'la who died in around the 1390's wrote in Tabaqatal-Hanabilah (Biographical Entries of the Hanabali Scholars), that there is a unanimous consensus that earth is 'round'... so i don't think that quoting as-Suyuti's later position particularly convinces Muslims that there was this solid precedent of a belief in flat earth creationism.
Gargatuan1989 2 months ago
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Gargatuan1989 2 months ago
...but the word dahaha has gone through a revision and has morphed into "Ostrich egg shape".
GroundZeroMosque 2 months ago
Kling...you should know dahaha by now...lol
dahaha; spread out... like a carpet
GroundZeroMosque 2 months ago
The song you use is a meshup of Ratatats and Daft Punk?
RomeoCo 2 months ago
You didn't need almost thirty minutes to address this article, as any rational response to Abdelhady can be summarized with "What is this I don't even"
TheoreticalPixies 2 months ago
@Klingschor Looks like Muslim creationists are no better than Christian creationists at backing up their claims.
GargamelGold 2 months ago
You sound a helluvalot like Non-Stampcollector...
Are you two twins or something?
Btw, awesome video. That Muslim guy is fucking stupid "It takes the earth 1 day to rotate around its own axis"... Well.. Duh.. That's what we have decided a day is.. The amount of time it takes for a planet to revolve around itself (or just Earth, once we go into space too).
Squiglypig 2 months ago
Even with the lines when you look at the zodiac and it's like "this is the twins!!" I'm like "What?! Really!?"
Cark7428 2 months ago
The bottom line is clear. The Quran is not evidence for anything. All it is, is a claim.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
This is funny as hell to watch.
TheAnimeAtheist 2 months ago
Divine duo? Holy shit batman! Your existence was predicted by a divine being. Screw your high standards, whatever you do will be right because you are a deity.
NoNamesLeft0102 2 months ago
oops, last logical is fromally wrong. Sal: "if order then god" is negated in the logic to "if no god then no order". But "if no order" has no logical implication about 'god'.
AtheistCitizen 2 months ago
It is a waste of time to respond to the substance of his statements. You should be analyzing how his propaganda is designed to influence listeners. What part of the koran each point comes from, when his listeners learn it, who teaches it to them, why they continue to believe in the face of evidence.
Just like the "birthers" are just using the birth certificate argument to disguise racism, the muslim apologists use code from the koran as subtext to influence their listeners.
wwickeddogg 2 months ago
I just looked at some his publications and found he's a total idiot. His Ph.D. is from communist CZ and he speaks Russian being Egyptian. That adds up to a below par degree.
This becomes painfully apparent in his flawed logic and academic capabilities.
Just another bigot cum loud-mouth.
StopSpamming1 2 months ago
and constellation stars aren't even close together, they just look that way from our vantage point lol.
dattebenforcer 2 months ago
pffft! Salama is such a stupid name. lol and you *know* why god would create a universe full of black holes ^^
dattebenforcer 2 months ago
keep fighting the good fight!
viicISrotcib 2 months ago
This paper is either the single dumbest use of logic in history, or the single greatest use of ironic rhetoric in history. How I wish it were the later.
mrgodbehere 2 months ago 3
Islam is ture because:
1) a constantly expanding and changing universe is STEADY
2) a random mess of stars is ORDERED
3) diseased, disabled poorly designed haman beings are PERFECT
discipleoftheteapot 2 months ago 11
You're quite brilliant at exposing Islams retarded content
lukeism2 2 months ago
The group of 69 is my favorite pet theory...Nice you guys could do a collab!
MsMrNoface 2 months ago
I kept wanting to tap you on the back and tell you to take a deep breathe lol
arsenelupin123 2 months ago
Good vid Connor
Coughlan616 2 months ago
Thanks :)
Klingschor 2 months ago
As usual, your videos hit the subject dead on. And pretty awesomely, might I add! Like.
saiyanmage 2 months ago
Whats the music in the intro?
ProgressiveAudio 2 months ago
@ProgressiveAudio
The Daftpunk remix of Lex, by Ratatat - I got it from DaftPunk's "Louis Vuitton Spring-Summer 2008 Womenswear Mix"
/watch?v=FazMG6UX6uY#t=4m47s
Klingschor 2 months ago
@Klingschor i thought it was ratatat. hes awesome
baval5 2 months ago
Great upload.
wowamonn 2 months ago
دحاحا means flattened or spread the Earth.
DeadlyDreamerX 2 months ago
@DeadlyDreamerX
ممتار يا اخي جودلس سعودي.
ارجوك تسوي فيدوات اخره.
DeadlyDreamerX 2 months ago