every time i hear a South American accent narrating i already know how the fight's gonna end. btw, it's 'Judoka' and not 'Judo man'. i think that term was deliberate disrespect. even though the voice is always calm it's dripping with arrogance.
I agree BJJ will fade and it is a good time. There are so many experienced fighters now in MMA BJJ doesn't do well anymore. Thus the name Mix Martial Arts, u wont do well if your not well rounded. So grappling on the ground wont cut it anymore. Ultimately the most well rounded strikers in MMA will win.
Did he win the tournament???? These promotional videos are so stupid. I'm a football player and I'm going to enter a basketball tournament and tackle people and talk crap about it.
@Henilla No he didn't win the tournament. I'm pretty sure this was the only match Royce actually won that day. Royce FAILED against high level Judo players. Then again, of course he did because Royce Gracie decided to fight national level Judo players, with Judo rules, when Royce is not a Judo player. What did you expect?
What Rorion doesn't realise is that Judo's objective is not to score points, but to win the fight with an armlock, choke, pin, or throw which would be devestating on concrete. *Facepalm*
@NickKano11@noose357 I think he does know the basics of judo and that its objective isn’t to only score points. He’s well aware that Mitsuyo Maeda, was a judoka & didn't win fights with points.
We gotta remember that these videos are basically for propaganda purposes, to show the world that BJJ is the “ultimate” fighting art. Rorion is a businessman and his business is BJJ. After all, before the internet he told the world his family was undefeated, then we found out that wasn't true.
Ju-Jitstu isn't to score points?? Are you kidding me? BJJ is the worst culprit at point accumulation. Judo is bad too, but BJJ's objective as "to end the fight" is complete bullshit. It's a game. A pin represents complete control of an opponent as they are no longer able to escape, and are at your mercy. It's an Ippon for a reason. The guy narrating has no idea what he's talking about.
@NorseSledge Tournament judo is like tae kwon do: a sport. Traditional judo is a combat art that uses atemi-waza (strikes) to set up throws. Don't ever confuse the two.
No disrespect to Royce, but he was a World class BJJ competitor fighting a local recreational level Judo tounry (Judging from the mats) It would be like puting Kosie Inoue in a BJJ tourney in the blue belt divsion of a local fun tournement. jimmy Pedro was in his prime back then. Did anyone challenge him ?
@samson123450 I've heard from people who know them personally that Pedro and Jason Morris have worked out with Royce and people from his school, and it was pretty evenly matched on the ground--the BJJ guys were more technical, but Pedro and Morris had excellent defense. Starting from standing, it was no contest--the BJJ guys couldn't get them down unless they wanted to go down. Not really surprising.
@samson123450 What kind of surprises me is Yoshida beating Royce in groundfighting...Yoshida's about as real-deal as judo competitors get, obviously, but he was never famous for his newaza. If he was competitive with a BJJ great, then guys like Neil Adams and Kashiwazaki have got to be able to hang with their best.
@userfromwb Royce never tapped to that choke and never passed out. the ref just stopped the fight. Royce won the next fight easily when he went all out.
A guy goes turtle and gets rear naked choked instead. Honestly, I've seen this happen about a hundred times before; it's nothing special. Also, I don't think you can go straight for the leg in judo anymore?
@masterchief9064 Touching the legs, including leg picks, have been made illegal due to the success of wrestler-judokas using double- and single-leg takedowns.
@BloodofPatriots You can still grab the legs, but it has to be a combination (ie. Ouchi Gari into Kata Guruma). Also, leglocks were banned back in the 1920's because they were considered too dangerous.
@NickKano11 Yes, the pussification of Judo continues. I'm so glad my instructor taught us Traditional "Combat" Judo, not Tournament "Olympic" Judo. We had to be careful with leglocks, but we learned them and even used most of them in randori.
This is just a regular Judo Match with 2 Judo Black belts. Somebody suppose to loose and it so happened with a neck choke which is a common move in Judo. Helio, Renzo and Royce are all Judo Blackbelts. Royce trained with the Brazilian Judo team. At the time of this recording they were trying to prove that Gracie Jujitsu was better than anything else. They succeeded but much has changed since then.
That's why jiujitsu is not yet an olimpic sport people don't realy wanna see two guys stuck in a guard for ten minutes. Don't get me wrong I think judo just like jiujitsu are awsome martial arts.
Judo is good but it has too many rules when it comes to competition and practicioners train with those rules making it more of a sport where winning has to do a lot with knowing how to manipulate the rules
@lacedwith5hourenergy So has BJJ. How many BJJ-fights haven't we seen where a guy scores points for a take down or guard pass, and then just stalls til time out.
He's 44 and lives in Palos Verdes, CA which is just a few minutes from the Torrance Academy in Los Angeles. Last I checked he just teaches the kids classes and does seminars at the Gracie Academy in Torrance.
@LivingWarMachine@LivingWarMachine- well, considering that you've never met them I can't change your opinon. I hope that you continue to train in BJJ and stay healthy. Be well.
@LivingWarMachine- This video was from 1-2 years before the first UFC in 1993. At that time, everyone believed that their martial art was superior to all others. The UFC introduced a new aspect in fighting and now most martial arts incorporate some type of ground fighting or takedown defense. The Gracies are probably some of the nicest people that I have met, and I've trained at a lot of different places.
I've seen Judo guys enter BJJ contests and win.... It's not the martial art it's the fighter. Look at royce gracie, he's a MASTER at BJJ vs guys who are suckish at judo.
@LivingWarMachine- When Rorion arrived in the US and started training out of a garage in Redondo Beach many of his students would tell their Sensei's about Gracie Jiu Jitsu. The Senei would eventually come to the garage, get taken down, and submitted. Many times it would happen 3 or 4 times in a row! The people that you watch in the videos "challenged" the Gracie style. Rorion's goal was/is to have other martial arts to "add" Gracie Jiu Jitsu to what they teach their students.
@heavyironmusic- are you sure that it was Renzo that died? Also, the Gracies actually are not trying to bash other ma's, the point that Rorion always wanted to do was to have other ma's to add ground fighting to what they teach. He's very genuine and loves to share what he was trying to accomplish, and if you watch the UFC, WEC, Strikeforce or any other mma fight, you will see jiu jitsu.
If you are in L.A., stop by the Gracie Academy and Rorion, Rener or Ryon will be glad to talk.
@jimzgreat I actually got to agree...from what I've seen and studied about the Gracies they are not into the "bashing" game. Most of that (like everything else) was started by fans, youtube warriors, and Bjj guys trying to drum up buisness for their own dojos/gyms. It's just like "Tapout," the guys who started the company are cool...but everytime you run into a guy wearing a "Tapout" shirt, they're a complete tool...so you end up saying "screw tapout," when it's not their fault.
Sorry to butt in. Unless it happened in the past few hours as far as I know Renzo Gracie is alive and well. I believe he just did a seminar at the Inosanto academy last week and he lives in New York or Jersey.
@Tarc5150 I am sure that you are right. I was asking the person who had posted that to clarify who they were talking about. It looks like they may have taken down their comment.
I think John Jones just proved that a black belt BJJ and Mui Thia is not the best of MA. If you've seen any of his fights he uses what would be considered more TMA in his striking like the side kicks to the knee, back kicks and great throw in the Stephan Bonner fight. BJJ was great when no one knew how to handle it, but now all you have to do is train in take down defense and enough BJJ to nutralize there offense. If this vid had been of competent Judo NeWaza guys, it would have been differant.
and a gracie was beat by a judo expert publicly many times......judo/jiu jitsu/bjj are all the same.....but what really matters is how the person uses it in their life
I don't man it took me 9 years to get my first black belt and that was in Kempo. It took me 2 years to get my purple belt under Carlos Machado. Maybe it's because I had already studied martial arts for 20 years but it was easy for me. Besides this whole BJJ is not TMA is kind of outdated now. It's been around for nearly 100 years I think it's considered Traditional now. Hell Aikido began around the same time and people call it TMA.
@Tarc5150 What I meant is that usually a BJJ blue belt in BJJ is able to teach you a lot more than a TMA blue belt (or equal..). That's based on my personal experience.
Maybe I should call it sport jiu-jitsu instead of BJJ, so it's not a TMA. Or just call it grappling.
I see your point. At the IMB Academy and at Machado's school a lot of the blue belts had been there 2-4 years and they were assistant teachers. I think that's adequate time to be an assistant but a lot of schools in Los Angeles and Orange County have blue belts as the chief instructor. To me that is not good. In my eyes a black belt is just an advanced begineer. Put a couple degrees on that black belt and you get mt attention. Good chat. Best of luck with your training.
@pfdrpg I see allot of talk of these Video's. Bjj vs Judo etc. Well my Family where trained (Parents) by Gunji Koizumi & i was trained by them since the age of 5!!! If you don't know who Gunji Koizumi is then i think anyone who talks as if they know about the true art for of judo should keep keep their mouths shut. Judo is far more superior than Bjj & Gracie had nothing on Gunji Koizumi! A True Judoka is not Competitive it is a way of live & is a peaceful art for originating to the samurai! .
@heathirving & @mxr1d3r12 all forms of judo, jiujitsu, and Aikido come from something called Aikijiujitsu. Which was created in Japan. None the less it doesn't really matter the style you train. If one person trains harder than the other at any art then that person usually will come out victor. Person > style
None of these Judo Players were skilled in Newaza. Hidehiko Yoshida is a good Newaza Judo Fighter. Royce should have challenged Yoshida instead, not these Judo Players who do standup only.
Like in school, students learn many subjects to be well rounded. A true Martial Artist will do the same. They will learn the benefits of EVERY Martial arts to be a complete fighter.
well if you werent so stupid you would know that Judo was originally known as Kano Jiu-Jitsu or Kano Jiu-Do, and later as Kodokan Jiu-Do or simply Jiu-Do or Judo.so yeah..
@LivingWarMachine noone can really talk crap to the gracies they shaped mma they have run there course though whether ur a fan of mma or compete in it u shud always show respect to the gracies though
Everyone says BJJ is the best ground martial art, but no one ever thinks about tiger style. It has far more ground movements and is much more unpredictable than BJJ.
@kokyjabn There's only 1 video on youtube that shows the techniques, and that is the only time ive ever heard a kung fu practicioner sound like that. Tiger Style is a hidden style so you really need to find a master to truly experience it.
@asian714cali My sifu's family style is Tiger, and he often discusses and shows me tiger style ground movements. He has fought many judo and jujitsu fighters using it and has not lost. It's a hidden style so don't expect many sifus to teach it.
@heavyironmusic Yeah absolutely. He seems to have convieniently forgotten that Judo can be won by a pin AS WELL AS being thrown and submission. BJJ is a good system, but the Gracies talk some serious garbage sometimes.
Yes very much so. BJJ is becoming so watered down anyways. I got schools popping up all over my neighborhood. Most of the head instructors are Blue Belts. Quickly becoming McDojo's.
@Tarc5150 you got that right!!! iv moved around around quite a bit iv been in 3 or 4 different schools and iv been taught like 4,5 different ways to do a triangle (triangle as an example iv been taught so many different side controls positions the "right" way to do something its crazy) and if you do it a way not taught at the school your in everybody there looks at you like a retard. its turning into the gay karate schools, everybody out there make sure instructor is actually certified!
Nicely said Tracer. Listen people, no matter which style you study. If your instructor is not at 'least' a black belt in the style or discipline you are studying find another school. You are at a McDojo. Like one of my instructors told me years ago when I got my first black belt. "A black belt is just an advanced beginner" Best of luck with your training people.
Exactly. Gracie-Barra schools are the most guilty. More than half there schools classes are taught by Blue Belts. I think that's sad, I know it takes a some people a few years for a blue belt but that still doesn't make you a qualified instructor. It took me 9 months to get mine. :)
@Tarc5150 well i donno in a bigger city with lots of grapplers a blue belt gym probably wouldnt last but i see nothing wrong with a guy whos a blue belt opening a club in a small town without a gym atleast they have somewhere to train i know jiujitsu fighters from small towns they just use the wrestling mats at a school and train there they can still compete with some of us guys who have some of the best trainers in my country
Good point. I do live in Los Angeles where a lot of the top martial arts instructors teach and live so I see your point. In BJJ alone we have the Gracie Academy, Machado Brothers have a headquarters in Redondo Beach, Gokor and LeBell teach in North Hollywood, plus we have the countries top aikido (OC AikiKai) school and two best JKD schools (IMB and inosanto academy). We are a bit spoiled here.
Very true. I'm not big into MMA(I enjoy watching with friends) but I was a striking instructor and sparring partner for Vitor Belfort some time ago, I think he was only 18 at the time. Erik Paulson has his school where teaches tons of UFC guys within walking distance of my office (CSW). At my age I train for more self defense then competition but yah we are very spolied in LA and Orange County. I never asked but where do you train, what part of the country.
@Tarc5150 really thats legit so you taught vitor the fast hands. i live in Canada i train at Canadian fighting fitness centre formely team canada mma my jiujitsu instructor is rodrigo munduruca you can find some of his fights on youtube
I ran a Kempo school across the street from the late Franco De Camargo BJJ school in Orange, CA. Unfortunaetly Franco passed away in his early 40's from a heart vale failure a few years ago. We developed a friendship and trained together then one day he told me he had a 17yr old kid from Brazil that was going to be comingto live with him and to train to fight in the UFC. He needed a striking instructors since both were mostly sport BJJ guys at the time. I was happy to help.
Eventually Vitor moved away but we trained together for about a year a few days a week. I taught him kempo hand drills, bag work, foot work, etc and some Kali/Escrima and Wing Chun Sticking Hands. We sparred together almost daily. We are both pretty big guys so it worked out well. Anyways long story but glad to hear you are staying active up in Canada. I'll look up your school when I get a moment. Good chat, best of luck with your training.
@Tarc5150 Its dumb little martial arts schools that have idiots teaching and the gracies allowing any shmuck to teach it anywhere they want. If you look at schools like alliance, atos, brasa, and lloyd irvin they have quality control and the teachers are EXTREMElY qualified to teach.
I agree and it's a shame. Part of the reason I have so much respect for the Machado Brothers is they never comprimised there art. At a Machado school all teachers must be at Black Belt level or above, most are 3rd degree and assistant instructors must be at brown. It reminds me of TKD in the 90's and in the 80's it was ninjitsu. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles gets popular and all of sudden every school suddenly teaches ninjitsu. The same is happening with BJJ Unfortunately.
@Tarc5150 Yeah. Look at the alliance instructors. Fabio Gurgel (5th degree), Jacare (7th degree), Gigi Paiva, Macelo Garcia, Terere, Cobrinha, Felipe Neto. They are all extremely qualified world champions. You won't see Jacare letting anyone but a black belt open up a school. The gracies are killing bjj, but alliance, brasa, irvin, atos, and a few others are making it a lot better. Evolving it more than the gracies ever could have. At an alliance school you do judo and wrestling every day. Osss!
Well said. I think it's a fad and will be exposed or end soon. I'm curious when the UFC goes to China supposedly next year, if a Shaolin Monk or Kung Fu in general kicks ass if suddenly everyone will be teaching Shaolin Kung fu :) Anyways, great comments and best of luck in your training.
@Tarc5150 I know many of the most respected teachers and best fighters don't go to UFC because they consider it disrespectful and a show of nothing more then a pit fight it doesn't teach people to respect one another it only teaches brutal violence that worsens our society.
Sorry, but I've never seen a Gracie Humaitá academy run by anyone under a Brown Belt. I do agree, these McDojo's need to be swept from the street corners. There are people who never or for a short time trained BJJ, who are now trying to market their gyms as legit academies. As a person who drives 90 mins one way to attend a legit academy, these McDojos piss me off.
I'm not sure I understand your first comment about Gracie Humaitá academies. I don't believe I ever reffered to them, I did mention Gracie Barra but that is a seperate group started by Carlos Gracie Jr. Who is a great GJJ teacher but Gracie Barra is a seperate school and has no real affliation with Gracie Humaitá Academies. In my opinion Gracie Barra is the most guilty of all the McDojo's at least in Los Angeles. 50% of their teachers are only blue belt level.
Yah it sure does, I really like the empty hand Panatukan. Feels like Muay Thai/Kempo/Wing Chun mixed together, the escrima sticks is a lot of fun. I actually have a 2nd small house on my property I've converted into a dojo and gym :) . Thanks and Best of Luck in your training.
I did that with a garage at one of the houses me and some roomates rented just need more mats. Thanks have fun. Oh b.t.w if ya decide to work on knife drills with dull / fake knives inform the neighbors. Otherwise cops get called, guns get drawn, and a scene is made. lol
I agree with the rest and love the sacrifice of a 90 min drive to train. I did that for years with IMB Academy in Los Angeles but have since taken a break. I'm personally concentrating on Aikido and Kali/Escrima which I found blend very well with GJJ or any grappling art.
I was actually clarifying that Humaitá doesn't do that. Because some might think the Gracies are all in together. And I must correct myself all of the Humaitá have Black Belt instructors I've seen. I meant that Brown belts may fill in at times. I was posting on several different videos at once. I agree about Barra, I just didn't want to specifically call them out. So I mentioned Humaitá doesn't have Blue belts teaching rather than call Barra out.
No worries and I don't mean to call Barra out either. It's just what I have noticed in Los Angeles and Orange County, CA where I live. I couldn't speak on behalf of all theirschools.
There are some good guys out of Barra here in Illinois, but I think it's as much to do with the Law of Large Numbers. Yeah we have them on loads of street corners with the teachers holding Blue and Purple belts.
@Tarc5150 I'm brazillian, lives in São Paulo. I'm brown belt. Today at the gym, there were about 15 black belts. Lots of black belts goes abroad to teach BJJ.
BJJ has it roots on Rio de Janeiro. 10-15 years ago there were few black belts in my city. But a lot of ppl training.
It already has, luckly for me I live in Los Angeles. We have Erik Paulson, Gracie Academy, Carlos Machado, Cleber Luciano, Gokor/LeBell, IMB Academy, and Inosanto Academy teaching here. Then about 500+ idiots teaching something they know nothing about or very little about. :)
@heavyironmusic dude it's not that they don't respect other martial arts, it was cause back then NO ONE respected Jiu Jitsu. This match doesn't bash Judo just showing some old match
@heavyironmusic if they prove a martial art wrong by its limitations why should they show respect to them? respect is earned not given. or at least should be.
@evolvedb4u the gracie family went around proving other martial arts wrong by exposing its limitations and showing how their style of BJJ is much more superior than any other martial art out there. I don't see how they did anything wrong or disrespectful? lol i guess haterz is gonna hate lmao. but seriously though. I guess successful people need people like you to find something negative. no one is perfect. :)
They also whine and prostest when they are beaten and seem to want to take credit for EVERY affective grappling technique. I think thats why they are not as respected as they were 10+ years ago. The Gracies dont seem to show much sportmanship when they lose
@heavyironmusic Its okay that martial art is slowing but surely dieing i agree very much so with @Tarc5150 he is correct BJJ is turning into the next TKD no offense to all the TKD people out there but your martial art is known for "McDojo's" and money pits.
@jackthePS3GAMER 100% agree, BJJ will go the same course as Judo. Popularity will fade, the sport will then be under one organization like Judo. You will see BJJ studios become nonprofit just as Judo and boxing, then the politics will take over the sport and you will have rules like judo where it is subject to interpretation and the self defense portion will be replaced with strategic play, such as rolling over to get stood up again in Judo.
@bakorexer i guess your some buthurt judoka? because a martial art cant just disappear or anything... the rules cant just change from one day to another. and you can use different rules in different tournaments
@ulkord You obviously have no concept of what I am discussing, or are just looking to troll. Judo was as Jiu Jitsu is now long ago, once the sport is umbrella under one organization, that is when the politics will start. I am merely stating once Jiu Jitsu is under one recognized system such as Judo, where the belt system is recorded in history and the rules are set from the top of the organization, you will have politics that will ruin the sport. Jiu Jitsu will one day too find the same politics
@bakorexer and why the fuck would it ever happen to be under 1 corporation? why would rules destroy the sport because there are allready rules. why do you believe in the theory that jiu jitsu will have the same outcome? if i would troll you you wouldnt even notice it. but i think that you are a judoka who doesnt like the way tournaments work which i can completely understand because in a real fight you dont just throw your opponent and win
@ulkord It would be under one world organization to have a system for belt recognition, and true rankings; same as Judo and the world recognized IJF. Politics!!!! Politics will lead to the same demise as Judo has. It's all political because it is controlled under one entity only; monopoly. Actually I practice both, and the reason I worry Jiu Jitsu will fall by the wayside just as Judo has, all due to politics. Tournaments are nothing like a real fight, in any martial art; pure homer argument.
pare de falar merda =), voce deve ser uma das criancinhas que fazem uma aula de jiu jitsu e ja acha que é foda! Todas as artes marcias sao completas, e nao existe isso de arte marcial de mulherzinha, reveja seus conceitos =)
PS: Nao faço judo ou jiu jitsu, faço Muay thai, nao venha falar que defendo judo porque devo fazer
Love this vid. I train in the gracie academy in miami florida. I was living in the olympic training center for judo but i would use jiu-jitsu to win. Just posted the vid, check it out!
i have big respect for gracie family, royce lost in brazil by choke with the arab-brazilian wallid farid ismail who won many gracie, they call him gracie killer, now japanese start to focus much about ground , thats reason royce lost manytime in japan.
Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu are both badass, you people should stop bickering at eachother and show respect for both Judo and BJJ. Both were spawned from original Jiujitsu!!
Royce Gracie ruined his legacy by juicing himself in the Sakuraba rematch. Man whatta sell out!
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momo200090 1 month ago
judo is the original bjj and the better.
momo200090 2 months ago 2
yoshida would fuck him.
momo200090 2 months ago
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ashworthm 2 months ago
Painless defeat = ju jit su
yoransom 2 months ago
this is shit the judo guy wasnt even attacking? watch yoshida agnaist gracie he fuken owns his ass
alphie10 2 months ago
@userfromwb Oh, you mean the one where they stopped the fight as soon as Yoshida went for the choke?
dragonballjiujitsu 2 months ago
every time i hear a South American accent narrating i already know how the fight's gonna end. btw, it's 'Judoka' and not 'Judo man'. i think that term was deliberate disrespect. even though the voice is always calm it's dripping with arrogance.
heirihunziker 2 months ago
This kinda looks bs... Masahiko Kimura anyone?
Miyabiii 2 months ago
I agree BJJ will fade and it is a good time. There are so many experienced fighters now in MMA BJJ doesn't do well anymore. Thus the name Mix Martial Arts, u wont do well if your not well rounded. So grappling on the ground wont cut it anymore. Ultimately the most well rounded strikers in MMA will win.
breakerd1 3 months ago
@ThatKidWiththeDice
Royce also dunked on Scottie Pippen but couldn't dunk on Michael Jordan.
Henilla 3 months ago
come on guys judos bad ass and everything i realy like judo but jiu jitsu is a little better who cares there both awsome jiujitsu won live with it
brianalfredotribolet 4 months ago
Not dissing Judo, but man, I would have hated to be that Judoka in that fight
lsloewen2 4 months ago
Looks like a wild sexy orgy
iamtbag 4 months ago
Did he win the tournament???? These promotional videos are so stupid. I'm a football player and I'm going to enter a basketball tournament and tackle people and talk crap about it.
Henilla 4 months ago 8
@Henilla No he didn't win the tournament. I'm pretty sure this was the only match Royce actually won that day. Royce FAILED against high level Judo players. Then again, of course he did because Royce Gracie decided to fight national level Judo players, with Judo rules, when Royce is not a Judo player. What did you expect?
ThatKidWiththeDice 3 months ago
@Henilla that wasn't a good comparison.
ThaGearOfWar 1 month ago
@ThaGearOfWar Back then it kinda was. No one knew anything on the ground.
YOUNGYEE831 1 month ago
What Rorion doesn't realise is that Judo's objective is not to score points, but to win the fight with an armlock, choke, pin, or throw which would be devestating on concrete. *Facepalm*
NickKano11 4 months ago
@NickKano11 @noose357 I think he does know the basics of judo and that its objective isn’t to only score points. He’s well aware that Mitsuyo Maeda, was a judoka & didn't win fights with points.
We gotta remember that these videos are basically for propaganda purposes, to show the world that BJJ is the “ultimate” fighting art. Rorion is a businessman and his business is BJJ. After all, before the internet he told the world his family was undefeated, then we found out that wasn't true.
barrettokarate 4 months ago
@barrettokarate Well Said.
NickKano11 4 months ago
@userfromwb *watches Royce beat Yoshida down for 20 minutes to the point where he can barely stand*
tkbabalu 4 months ago
Ju-Jitstu isn't to score points?? Are you kidding me? BJJ is the worst culprit at point accumulation. Judo is bad too, but BJJ's objective as "to end the fight" is complete bullshit. It's a game. A pin represents complete control of an opponent as they are no longer able to escape, and are at your mercy. It's an Ippon for a reason. The guy narrating has no idea what he's talking about.
noose357 4 months ago
@noose357
the guy talking is rorion gracie.. royce's brother :D
kaissarMCR 4 months ago
@kaissarMCR Wow, and he doesn't know the basics about Judo, the roots of BJJ? So sad....
noose357 4 months ago
Worst. Defence. Ever.
Ra1ska 4 months ago
which pixel is Royce?
DOMDZ90911 4 months ago
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Judo have a similiar rule to greco when it comes to leg grabs now
jaffar1808 5 months ago
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Judo have a similiar rule to greco when it comes to leg grabs now
jaffar1808 5 months ago
I didn't know you could choke out your opponent in a Judo match.
BandakaKush 5 months ago
@BandakaKush its judo vs jujistsu...lol. it's both sets of rules to show which is better.
robm78 5 months ago
lmao.. where you think you're going?
kaleigh79 5 months ago
Just curious, did Gracie win this tournament?
brickshooter 5 months ago
@NorseSledge Tournament judo is like tae kwon do: a sport. Traditional judo is a combat art that uses atemi-waza (strikes) to set up throws. Don't ever confuse the two.
BloodofPatriots 5 months ago
@userfromwb Or Helio gracie vs kimura
Jimmynable 6 months ago
No disrespect to Royce, but he was a World class BJJ competitor fighting a local recreational level Judo tounry (Judging from the mats) It would be like puting Kosie Inoue in a BJJ tourney in the blue belt divsion of a local fun tournement. jimmy Pedro was in his prime back then. Did anyone challenge him ?
samson123450 6 months ago 5
@samson123450 I've heard from people who know them personally that Pedro and Jason Morris have worked out with Royce and people from his school, and it was pretty evenly matched on the ground--the BJJ guys were more technical, but Pedro and Morris had excellent defense. Starting from standing, it was no contest--the BJJ guys couldn't get them down unless they wanted to go down. Not really surprising.
roentgen571 4 weeks ago
@samson123450 What kind of surprises me is Yoshida beating Royce in groundfighting...Yoshida's about as real-deal as judo competitors get, obviously, but he was never famous for his newaza. If he was competitive with a BJJ great, then guys like Neil Adams and Kashiwazaki have got to be able to hang with their best.
roentgen571 4 weeks ago
@userfromwb Royce never tapped to that choke and never passed out. the ref just stopped the fight. Royce won the next fight easily when he went all out.
DuykRuyk 6 months ago
A guy goes turtle and gets rear naked choked instead. Honestly, I've seen this happen about a hundred times before; it's nothing special. Also, I don't think you can go straight for the leg in judo anymore?
masterchief9064 6 months ago
@masterchief9064 Touching the legs, including leg picks, have been made illegal due to the success of wrestler-judokas using double- and single-leg takedowns.
BloodofPatriots 5 months ago
@BloodofPatriots You can still grab the legs, but it has to be a combination (ie. Ouchi Gari into Kata Guruma). Also, leglocks were banned back in the 1920's because they were considered too dangerous.
NickKano11 4 months ago
@NickKano11 Yes, the pussification of Judo continues. I'm so glad my instructor taught us Traditional "Combat" Judo, not Tournament "Olympic" Judo. We had to be careful with leglocks, but we learned them and even used most of them in randori.
BloodofPatriots 4 months ago
gracie has never foguht bruce lee
wolfg07 6 months ago
This is just a regular Judo Match with 2 Judo Black belts. Somebody suppose to loose and it so happened with a neck choke which is a common move in Judo. Helio, Renzo and Royce are all Judo Blackbelts. Royce trained with the Brazilian Judo team. At the time of this recording they were trying to prove that Gracie Jujitsu was better than anything else. They succeeded but much has changed since then.
Delanuve 6 months ago
That's why jiujitsu is not yet an olimpic sport people don't realy wanna see two guys stuck in a guard for ten minutes. Don't get me wrong I think judo just like jiujitsu are awsome martial arts.
lacedwith5hourenergy 6 months ago
Judo is good but it has too many rules when it comes to competition and practicioners train with those rules making it more of a sport where winning has to do a lot with knowing how to manipulate the rules
lacedwith5hourenergy 6 months ago
@lacedwith5hourenergy So has BJJ. How many BJJ-fights haven't we seen where a guy scores points for a take down or guard pass, and then just stalls til time out.
hjerthinfarkht 6 months ago
@userfromwb Royce was giving up nearly 50 lbs against Yoshida. Rickson redeemed Royce against Yoshida twice while also giving up about 40 lbs.
bobbyBMC 6 months ago
@bobbyBMC - huh?
I don't see any fights against Yoshida on Ricksons record.
Why are you lying? Are you getting a payday as some kind of BJJ teacher?
chimproller 6 months ago
@chimproller I stand corrected. Rickson had two wins against Takada, not Yoshida.
bobbyBMC 6 months ago
Is royce gracie still alive? cuz Im new to Jiu Jitsu sorta...but if he is how old is he??
BountyHuntFH95 6 months ago
@BountyHuntFH95
He's 44 and lives in Palos Verdes, CA which is just a few minutes from the Torrance Academy in Los Angeles. Last I checked he just teaches the kids classes and does seminars at the Gracie Academy in Torrance.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@userfromwb You mean one of the greatest fights of all time?? where the judo man was kicking the shit out of royce to win
hehehehe7714 6 months ago
Brazilian jiu jitsu is far more superior than judo.
BluePittbull666 7 months ago
@BluePittbull666 In ground, but try to stand up with good judo practiser.
Hoxedo 6 months ago
@BluePittbull666 i train judo and i can kick your ass under bjj rules or judo rules or street rules.
marcosinemb 1 month ago
write behind a keyboard is very easy, to do it is more dificult
gilsonbar1 1 month ago
That guy wasn't a very good judoka. I'd put money on my Judo sensei over Hoyce Gracie.
blastermitch 7 months ago
@LivingWarMachine Why, as a matter of fact, it does.
RickMerchantttt 7 months ago
@LivingWarMachine What's wrong with entering a Judo tournament, and winning again?
RickMerchantttt 7 months ago
@LivingWarMachine @LivingWarMachine- well, considering that you've never met them I can't change your opinon. I hope that you continue to train in BJJ and stay healthy. Be well.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
@LivingWarMachine- This video was from 1-2 years before the first UFC in 1993. At that time, everyone believed that their martial art was superior to all others. The UFC introduced a new aspect in fighting and now most martial arts incorporate some type of ground fighting or takedown defense. The Gracies are probably some of the nicest people that I have met, and I've trained at a lot of different places.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
I've seen Judo guys enter BJJ contests and win.... It's not the martial art it's the fighter. Look at royce gracie, he's a MASTER at BJJ vs guys who are suckish at judo.
SyNFuLCreations 7 months ago
@LivingWarMachine- When Rorion arrived in the US and started training out of a garage in Redondo Beach many of his students would tell their Sensei's about Gracie Jiu Jitsu. The Senei would eventually come to the garage, get taken down, and submitted. Many times it would happen 3 or 4 times in a row! The people that you watch in the videos "challenged" the Gracie style. Rorion's goal was/is to have other martial arts to "add" Gracie Jiu Jitsu to what they teach their students.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
@Tarc5150- Another person made that comment a day ago about that. Sorry about any confusion.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
say that to SAKURABA
more respect please.
cacasarq 7 months ago
@heavyironmusic- are you sure that it was Renzo that died? Also, the Gracies actually are not trying to bash other ma's, the point that Rorion always wanted to do was to have other ma's to add ground fighting to what they teach. He's very genuine and loves to share what he was trying to accomplish, and if you watch the UFC, WEC, Strikeforce or any other mma fight, you will see jiu jitsu.
If you are in L.A., stop by the Gracie Academy and Rorion, Rener or Ryon will be glad to talk.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
@jimzgreat I actually got to agree...from what I've seen and studied about the Gracies they are not into the "bashing" game. Most of that (like everything else) was started by fans, youtube warriors, and Bjj guys trying to drum up buisness for their own dojos/gyms. It's just like "Tapout," the guys who started the company are cool...but everytime you run into a guy wearing a "Tapout" shirt, they're a complete tool...so you end up saying "screw tapout," when it's not their fault.
demboys18 7 months ago
@jimzgreat
Sorry to butt in. Unless it happened in the past few hours as far as I know Renzo Gracie is alive and well. I believe he just did a seminar at the Inosanto academy last week and he lives in New York or Jersey.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 I am sure that you are right. I was asking the person who had posted that to clarify who they were talking about. It looks like they may have taken down their comment.
jimzgreat 7 months ago
@heavyironmusic
it would be a lack of respect if the gracies didn't gave their best against each martial art...
wichinski21 7 months ago
I think John Jones just proved that a black belt BJJ and Mui Thia is not the best of MA. If you've seen any of his fights he uses what would be considered more TMA in his striking like the side kicks to the knee, back kicks and great throw in the Stephan Bonner fight. BJJ was great when no one knew how to handle it, but now all you have to do is train in take down defense and enough BJJ to nutralize there offense. If this vid had been of competent Judo NeWaza guys, it would have been differant.
CFgroup1 8 months ago
and a gracie was beat by a judo expert publicly many times......judo/jiu jitsu/bjj are all the same.....but what really matters is how the person uses it in their life
mrjaret67 8 months ago
Blue belt in BJJ is equal to a TMA black belt.
ikefrc 8 months ago
@ikefrc
I don't man it took me 9 years to get my first black belt and that was in Kempo. It took me 2 years to get my purple belt under Carlos Machado. Maybe it's because I had already studied martial arts for 20 years but it was easy for me. Besides this whole BJJ is not TMA is kind of outdated now. It's been around for nearly 100 years I think it's considered Traditional now. Hell Aikido began around the same time and people call it TMA.
Tarc5150 8 months ago
@Tarc5150 What I meant is that usually a BJJ blue belt in BJJ is able to teach you a lot more than a TMA blue belt (or equal..). That's based on my personal experience.
Maybe I should call it sport jiu-jitsu instead of BJJ, so it's not a TMA. Or just call it grappling.
2 years to purple is fast.
ikefrc 8 months ago
@ikefrc
I see your point. At the IMB Academy and at Machado's school a lot of the blue belts had been there 2-4 years and they were assistant teachers. I think that's adequate time to be an assistant but a lot of schools in Los Angeles and Orange County have blue belts as the chief instructor. To me that is not good. In my eyes a black belt is just an advanced begineer. Put a couple degrees on that black belt and you get mt attention. Good chat. Best of luck with your training.
Tarc5150 8 months ago
It was better and they proved it. Prior to everyone learning their style, the Gracies were undefeated for 60+years. Fighting has evolved though.
xxFNORDxx 8 months ago
Its not Royce's fault a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu could tap out a black belt Judo fighter... Bjj is just a better martial art
bernard122 8 months ago
@bernard122 It's the fighter, not the style.
evolvedb4u 8 months ago
@pfdrpg I see allot of talk of these Video's. Bjj vs Judo etc. Well my Family where trained (Parents) by Gunji Koizumi & i was trained by them since the age of 5!!! If you don't know who Gunji Koizumi is then i think anyone who talks as if they know about the true art for of judo should keep keep their mouths shut. Judo is far more superior than Bjj & Gracie had nothing on Gunji Koizumi! A True Judoka is not Competitive it is a way of live & is a peaceful art for originating to the samurai! .
TheVALLEYoftheDEAD 8 months ago
this is bullshit ,bjj is judo
and judo includes goshin jutsu,which doesnt involve rolling around on the ground
heathirving 8 months ago
@heathirving Jujitsu is not judo idiot.
mxr1d3r12 8 months ago
@mxr1d3r12
gracie jiu jujitsu is actually kodokan judo,since gracie trained with jigoro kano,idiot
proper jiu jitsu does not feature so much groundwork,idiot
heathirving 8 months ago
@heathirving & @mxr1d3r12 all forms of judo, jiujitsu, and Aikido come from something called Aikijiujitsu. Which was created in Japan. None the less it doesn't really matter the style you train. If one person trains harder than the other at any art then that person usually will come out victor. Person > style
Pimpinsmileyz 8 months ago
@Pimpinsmileyz
i realise that i am a black belt in aikido and jujutsu.
but these arseholes that claim bjj is better than other ma's is crap
heathirving 8 months ago
@heathirving I know it's crap, that's why i said it depends way more on the person.
Pimpinsmileyz 8 months ago
@heathirving Gracie trained with his dad helio, His dad fixed japanese jujitsu morono
mxr1d3r12 8 months ago
@mxr1d3r12
fixed jujutsu? are you nuts?
rolling around on the ground will get you killed,didnt fix anything.
this is NOT jujutsu
heathirving 8 months ago
@heathirving Dude go to A REAL GRACIE ACADEMY then your allowed to talk to me
mxr1d3r12 8 months ago
@mxr1d3r12
no i'd rather continue doing a real martial art,not a sport bound by rules.
heathirving 8 months ago
@heathirving Then stop trollin.
mxr1d3r12 8 months ago
wait, thats not Royce Gracie's hair
alan513 8 months ago
RESPECT THE GRACIES!! they dont fuck around
seasidestrangler831 8 months ago
The most decisive and embarrassing thrashing Royce ever received was by Matt Hughes who dominated him completely the whole fight.
socksumi 8 months ago
@socksumi Amen to that. It was painful to watch. And the most humiliating part is that Matt Hughes beat Royce at his own game!
spoonman73 8 months ago
None of these Judo Players were skilled in Newaza. Hidehiko Yoshida is a good Newaza Judo Fighter. Royce should have challenged Yoshida instead, not these Judo Players who do standup only.
khalsasikh 8 months ago
Like in school, students learn many subjects to be well rounded. A true Martial Artist will do the same. They will learn the benefits of EVERY Martial arts to be a complete fighter.
MasterKanaar 8 months ago
well if you werent so stupid you would know that Judo was originally known as Kano Jiu-Jitsu or Kano Jiu-Do, and later as Kodokan Jiu-Do or simply Jiu-Do or Judo.so yeah..
asian714cali 8 months ago
He forgot yoshida ohhhh LOL
ticosexy22 8 months ago
@LivingWarMachine noone can really talk crap to the gracies they shaped mma they have run there course though whether ur a fan of mma or compete in it u shud always show respect to the gracies though
xzsawq10 8 months ago
Everyone says BJJ is the best ground martial art, but no one ever thinks about tiger style. It has far more ground movements and is much more unpredictable than BJJ.
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
@123UncleRuckus but that style make to much funny noises - watch?v=__JYhJJXZr8
kokyjabn 9 months ago
@kokyjabn There's only 1 video on youtube that shows the techniques, and that is the only time ive ever heard a kung fu practicioner sound like that. Tiger Style is a hidden style so you really need to find a master to truly experience it.
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
@123UncleRuckus lol i didnt know tiger was ground figihing or grappling..do you mean best striking arts?becuz that what it is..
asian714cali 8 months ago
@asian714cali My sifu's family style is Tiger, and he often discusses and shows me tiger style ground movements. He has fought many judo and jujitsu fighters using it and has not lost. It's a hidden style so don't expect many sifus to teach it.
123UncleRuckus 8 months ago
is anyone else sick of how the gracies love to bash other ma's and show no respect.
heavyironmusic 9 months ago 23
@heavyironmusic Yeah absolutely. He seems to have convieniently forgotten that Judo can be won by a pin AS WELL AS being thrown and submission. BJJ is a good system, but the Gracies talk some serious garbage sometimes.
NickKano11 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic they show respect watch the gracie challenge they were gonna pay money for someone to beat them
xzsawq10 8 months ago
@xzsawq10 thats not respect thats a challlenge.
heavyironmusic 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic
Yes very much so. BJJ is becoming so watered down anyways. I got schools popping up all over my neighborhood. Most of the head instructors are Blue Belts. Quickly becoming McDojo's.
Tarc5150 8 months ago 32
@Tarc5150 you got that right!!! iv moved around around quite a bit iv been in 3 or 4 different schools and iv been taught like 4,5 different ways to do a triangle (triangle as an example iv been taught so many different side controls positions the "right" way to do something its crazy) and if you do it a way not taught at the school your in everybody there looks at you like a retard. its turning into the gay karate schools, everybody out there make sure instructor is actually certified!
Tracer564 8 months ago
@Tracer564
Nicely said Tracer. Listen people, no matter which style you study. If your instructor is not at 'least' a black belt in the style or discipline you are studying find another school. You are at a McDojo. Like one of my instructors told me years ago when I got my first black belt. "A black belt is just an advanced beginner" Best of luck with your training people.
Tarc5150 8 months ago
@Tarc5150 I barely joined BJJ and my instructor is a blue belt lol.
FairtexChamp 8 months ago
@FairtexChamp
Exactly. Gracie-Barra schools are the most guilty. More than half there schools classes are taught by Blue Belts. I think that's sad, I know it takes a some people a few years for a blue belt but that still doesn't make you a qualified instructor. It took me 9 months to get mine. :)
Tarc5150 8 months ago
@Tarc5150 well i donno in a bigger city with lots of grapplers a blue belt gym probably wouldnt last but i see nothing wrong with a guy whos a blue belt opening a club in a small town without a gym atleast they have somewhere to train i know jiujitsu fighters from small towns they just use the wrestling mats at a school and train there they can still compete with some of us guys who have some of the best trainers in my country
yellowmon123 7 months ago
@yellowmon123
Good point. I do live in Los Angeles where a lot of the top martial arts instructors teach and live so I see your point. In BJJ alone we have the Gracie Academy, Machado Brothers have a headquarters in Redondo Beach, Gokor and LeBell teach in North Hollywood, plus we have the countries top aikido (OC AikiKai) school and two best JKD schools (IMB and inosanto academy). We are a bit spoiled here.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 not to mention tons of great mma gyms
yellowmon123 7 months ago
@yellowmon123
Very true. I'm not big into MMA(I enjoy watching with friends) but I was a striking instructor and sparring partner for Vitor Belfort some time ago, I think he was only 18 at the time. Erik Paulson has his school where teaches tons of UFC guys within walking distance of my office (CSW). At my age I train for more self defense then competition but yah we are very spolied in LA and Orange County. I never asked but where do you train, what part of the country.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 really thats legit so you taught vitor the fast hands. i live in Canada i train at Canadian fighting fitness centre formely team canada mma my jiujitsu instructor is rodrigo munduruca you can find some of his fights on youtube
yellowmon123 7 months ago
@yellowmon123
I ran a Kempo school across the street from the late Franco De Camargo BJJ school in Orange, CA. Unfortunaetly Franco passed away in his early 40's from a heart vale failure a few years ago. We developed a friendship and trained together then one day he told me he had a 17yr old kid from Brazil that was going to be comingto live with him and to train to fight in the UFC. He needed a striking instructors since both were mostly sport BJJ guys at the time. I was happy to help.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@yellowmon123
Eventually Vitor moved away but we trained together for about a year a few days a week. I taught him kempo hand drills, bag work, foot work, etc and some Kali/Escrima and Wing Chun Sticking Hands. We sparred together almost daily. We are both pretty big guys so it worked out well. Anyways long story but glad to hear you are staying active up in Canada. I'll look up your school when I get a moment. Good chat, best of luck with your training.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 - Ya that would be insane. I am a blue belt and would never even think about doing something like that until i am a brown belt.
Mr4433 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 Its dumb little martial arts schools that have idiots teaching and the gracies allowing any shmuck to teach it anywhere they want. If you look at schools like alliance, atos, brasa, and lloyd irvin they have quality control and the teachers are EXTREMElY qualified to teach.
ajizzlejiujitsudog 7 months ago
@ajizzlejiujitsudog
I agree and it's a shame. Part of the reason I have so much respect for the Machado Brothers is they never comprimised there art. At a Machado school all teachers must be at Black Belt level or above, most are 3rd degree and assistant instructors must be at brown. It reminds me of TKD in the 90's and in the 80's it was ninjitsu. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles gets popular and all of sudden every school suddenly teaches ninjitsu. The same is happening with BJJ Unfortunately.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 Yeah. Look at the alliance instructors. Fabio Gurgel (5th degree), Jacare (7th degree), Gigi Paiva, Macelo Garcia, Terere, Cobrinha, Felipe Neto. They are all extremely qualified world champions. You won't see Jacare letting anyone but a black belt open up a school. The gracies are killing bjj, but alliance, brasa, irvin, atos, and a few others are making it a lot better. Evolving it more than the gracies ever could have. At an alliance school you do judo and wrestling every day. Osss!
ajizzlejiujitsudog 7 months ago
@ajizzlejiujitsudog
Well said. I think it's a fad and will be exposed or end soon. I'm curious when the UFC goes to China supposedly next year, if a Shaolin Monk or Kung Fu in general kicks ass if suddenly everyone will be teaching Shaolin Kung fu :) Anyways, great comments and best of luck in your training.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 I know many of the most respected teachers and best fighters don't go to UFC because they consider it disrespectful and a show of nothing more then a pit fight it doesn't teach people to respect one another it only teaches brutal violence that worsens our society.
Aurumk1 6 months ago
@Tarc5150
Sorry, but I've never seen a Gracie Humaitá academy run by anyone under a Brown Belt. I do agree, these McDojo's need to be swept from the street corners. There are people who never or for a short time trained BJJ, who are now trying to market their gyms as legit academies. As a person who drives 90 mins one way to attend a legit academy, these McDojos piss me off.
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@AmericanFenian
I'm not sure I understand your first comment about Gracie Humaitá academies. I don't believe I ever reffered to them, I did mention Gracie Barra but that is a seperate group started by Carlos Gracie Jr. Who is a great GJJ teacher but Gracie Barra is a seperate school and has no real affliation with Gracie Humaitá Academies. In my opinion Gracie Barra is the most guilty of all the McDojo's at least in Los Angeles. 50% of their teachers are only blue belt level.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150
Good luck with the Kali. It becomes very addictive. I had to move things in my apartment so I wouldn't break any more ceiling fan.
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@AmericanFenian
Yah it sure does, I really like the empty hand Panatukan. Feels like Muay Thai/Kempo/Wing Chun mixed together, the escrima sticks is a lot of fun. I actually have a 2nd small house on my property I've converted into a dojo and gym :) . Thanks and Best of Luck in your training.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150
I did that with a garage at one of the houses me and some roomates rented just need more mats. Thanks have fun. Oh b.t.w if ya decide to work on knife drills with dull / fake knives inform the neighbors. Otherwise cops get called, guns get drawn, and a scene is made. lol
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@AmericanFenian
I agree with the rest and love the sacrifice of a 90 min drive to train. I did that for years with IMB Academy in Los Angeles but have since taken a break. I'm personally concentrating on Aikido and Kali/Escrima which I found blend very well with GJJ or any grappling art.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150
I was actually clarifying that Humaitá doesn't do that. Because some might think the Gracies are all in together. And I must correct myself all of the Humaitá have Black Belt instructors I've seen. I meant that Brown belts may fill in at times. I was posting on several different videos at once. I agree about Barra, I just didn't want to specifically call them out. So I mentioned Humaitá doesn't have Blue belts teaching rather than call Barra out.
Sorry for the confusion.
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@AmericanFenian
No worries and I don't mean to call Barra out either. It's just what I have noticed in Los Angeles and Orange County, CA where I live. I couldn't speak on behalf of all theirschools.
Tarc5150 7 months ago
@Tarc5150
There are some good guys out of Barra here in Illinois, but I think it's as much to do with the Law of Large Numbers. Yeah we have them on loads of street corners with the teachers holding Blue and Purple belts.
AmericanFenian 7 months ago
@Tarc5150 That has happened with almost all martial arts in the world. Once a martial art gains fame, it tends to get watered down.
shubroto81 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Where are you from?
felo790 6 months ago
@felo790
I'm from Los Angeles but I live in Anaheim now. I've lived here my whole life, I'll be 36 in less than a month.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 I'm brazillian, lives in São Paulo. I'm brown belt. Today at the gym, there were about 15 black belts. Lots of black belts goes abroad to teach BJJ.
BJJ has it roots on Rio de Janeiro. 10-15 years ago there were few black belts in my city. But a lot of ppl training.
felo790 6 months ago
@felo790
That's great, what a beautiful country. Best of luck in your training.
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 You gotta look around hard to find good schools. It's a shame but its soon gonna become like what karate/taekwondo is now.
DuykRuyk 6 months ago
@DuykRuyk
It already has, luckly for me I live in Los Angeles. We have Erik Paulson, Gracie Academy, Carlos Machado, Cleber Luciano, Gokor/LeBell, IMB Academy, and Inosanto Academy teaching here. Then about 500+ idiots teaching something they know nothing about or very little about. :)
Tarc5150 6 months ago
@Tarc5150 Ya, Cali has a lot of good places. the place where I live has one good one and then the rest are crappy knockoffs or karate/taekwondo gyms.
DuykRuyk 6 months ago
@heavyironmusic ya, I don't think this was a Judo tournament
ARandomCanadian 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic Respect is earned. Even for martial arts.
kifn2 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic dude it's not that they don't respect other martial arts, it was cause back then NO ONE respected Jiu Jitsu. This match doesn't bash Judo just showing some old match
badfoody 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic if they prove a martial art wrong by its limitations why should they show respect to them? respect is earned not given. or at least should be.
knpdyeballarice 8 months ago
@knpdyeballarice They aren't proving a martial art wrong, they are proving that the fighter was weak.
evolvedb4u 8 months ago
@evolvedb4u the gracie family went around proving other martial arts wrong by exposing its limitations and showing how their style of BJJ is much more superior than any other martial art out there. I don't see how they did anything wrong or disrespectful? lol i guess haterz is gonna hate lmao. but seriously though. I guess successful people need people like you to find something negative. no one is perfect. :)
knpdyeballarice 8 months ago
@heavyironmusic
They also whine and prostest when they are beaten and seem to want to take credit for EVERY affective grappling technique. I think thats why they are not as respected as they were 10+ years ago. The Gracies dont seem to show much sportmanship when they lose
holidayrap 7 months ago
@heavyironmusic Its okay that martial art is slowing but surely dieing i agree very much so with @Tarc5150 he is correct BJJ is turning into the next TKD no offense to all the TKD people out there but your martial art is known for "McDojo's" and money pits.
jackthePS3GAMER 7 months ago 7
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@jackthePS3GAMER doesn't mean all of them are like that
gfvizc 3 months ago
@jackthePS3GAMER 100% agree, BJJ will go the same course as Judo. Popularity will fade, the sport will then be under one organization like Judo. You will see BJJ studios become nonprofit just as Judo and boxing, then the politics will take over the sport and you will have rules like judo where it is subject to interpretation and the self defense portion will be replaced with strategic play, such as rolling over to get stood up again in Judo.
bakorexer 3 months ago
@bakorexer i guess your some buthurt judoka? because a martial art cant just disappear or anything... the rules cant just change from one day to another. and you can use different rules in different tournaments
ulkord 3 months ago
@ulkord You obviously have no concept of what I am discussing, or are just looking to troll. Judo was as Jiu Jitsu is now long ago, once the sport is umbrella under one organization, that is when the politics will start. I am merely stating once Jiu Jitsu is under one recognized system such as Judo, where the belt system is recorded in history and the rules are set from the top of the organization, you will have politics that will ruin the sport. Jiu Jitsu will one day too find the same politics
bakorexer 3 months ago
@bakorexer and why the fuck would it ever happen to be under 1 corporation? why would rules destroy the sport because there are allready rules. why do you believe in the theory that jiu jitsu will have the same outcome? if i would troll you you wouldnt even notice it. but i think that you are a judoka who doesnt like the way tournaments work which i can completely understand because in a real fight you dont just throw your opponent and win
ulkord 3 months ago
@ulkord It would be under one world organization to have a system for belt recognition, and true rankings; same as Judo and the world recognized IJF. Politics!!!! Politics will lead to the same demise as Judo has. It's all political because it is controlled under one entity only; monopoly. Actually I practice both, and the reason I worry Jiu Jitsu will fall by the wayside just as Judo has, all due to politics. Tournaments are nothing like a real fight, in any martial art; pure homer argument.
bakorexer 3 months ago
the best martial art is the one who kicks YOUR ass. if you can't hold your own in the ring or in the streets, shut up.
redwolf19871 9 months ago
Aqui no Brasil, infelizmente jiu jitsué luta de criancinhas grandes que
salvorhardim 9 months ago
@evertonelieser
pare de falar merda =), voce deve ser uma das criancinhas que fazem uma aula de jiu jitsu e ja acha que é foda! Todas as artes marcias sao completas, e nao existe isso de arte marcial de mulherzinha, reveja seus conceitos =)
PS: Nao faço judo ou jiu jitsu, faço Muay thai, nao venha falar que defendo judo porque devo fazer
13brenos 10 months ago
Love this vid. I train in the gracie academy in miami florida. I was living in the olympic training center for judo but i would use jiu-jitsu to win. Just posted the vid, check it out!
asimmiami1 10 months ago
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Judo= Gay
He keeps running away like a little bitch is that judos technique?
94ruthless 10 months ago
HAHA I beat you all i have a 3rd degree Black Belt in Masturbation
jeepdude770 10 months ago
Aqui no brasil JJ é luta de homem de verdade!!!
não é luta de mulherzinha como judo!!!
VIVA JJ!!!
evertonelieser 10 months ago
i have big respect for gracie family, royce lost in brazil by choke with the arab-brazilian wallid farid ismail who won many gracie, they call him gracie killer, now japanese start to focus much about ground , thats reason royce lost manytime in japan.
StylishShogun 11 months ago
Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu are both badass, you people should stop bickering at eachother and show respect for both Judo and BJJ. Both were spawned from original Jiujitsu!!
Mr4433 11 months ago 33
@Mr4433 No, BJJ spawned from judo.
And it's spelled Jujutsu. "Jiu-Jitsu" is some horrific trainwreck of mispronounciation.
ihaterobbie123 9 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Congratulations sir! You're THAT guy.
Agutrot12 9 months ago
@Agutrot12 Yeah, I can be anal about anything I want, I'll be "THAT guy" so long as there's misinformation.
ihaterobbie123 9 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 You can be anal about whatever you want. 100%. But you will come off as a douche, mostly because you're being one.
Especially when the person you attack is trying to cool of the unnecessarily bellicose rhetoric...
By the way it's actually spelled 柔術. Jujutsu is some horrific trainwreck of English translation.
Agutrot12 9 months ago