@misterbeanladen In the Greek New Testament it is "Noe" in the Hebrew Old Testament it is "Noah", just as Isaiah in the Old Testament is Esaias.
Of course the translators of the English Bible knew it was the same person and COULD have chosen to just write "Noah" again, but their duty was to translate the words and transliterate the names accurately. So The man who's name is transliterated Noah in the Hebrew Old is transliterated Noe in from the Greek New testament.
I used to think I had this all figured out [how ignorant] but the more I learn the more confused I get. Strange but true. I don't understand ruling and reigning in a kingdom if there is no one to rule and reign over in said kingdom??
@vudumojo For me it isn't so much that I -want- to rule over anyone, it's just a matter of having so much to UNLEARN from church! It seems more and more that almost everything I learned there was inaccurate. I learned ALOT in church... which means I don't know ANYTHING!! ;)
@ginaduffey Nobody, because they all die except for the elect and the elect are changed from mortal to immortal in the twinkling of an eye. So no mortal will be in the millennium at all.
By the same logic you just used let's look at another verse in the Bible:
Rev 22
"5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall *REIGN* for ever and ever." <-ETERNITY Reign over what then? The Kingdom my friend.
@JoBernard12oxen Everyone will be raised, saved or not saved, whether of the 1st, 2nd or THIRD resurrection.
The elect will be raised from their graves at Jesus' return in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and those alive at that time shall be changed to immortal as well, having never been in the grave (their mortal bodies will essentially die...noBODY is getting out of the great trib ALIVE).
Those of the 2nd RES are the great multitude, of Rev 7.
@Challagar I already answered your question. Those of the 1st resurrection are the elect, 144,000. "The rest of the dead" are resurrected at the END of the 1000 years, at the same time Satan is released. They are of the second resurrection.
It is from this group that you speak of. Some will also receive eternal life as well as the elect though.
i.e. Rev 7
""9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues..."
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Nice vid clarifying the scriptures. I would say that the rapture will occur after the tribulation period, in the day of the LORD when God saves the good and start judging the evil ( not the Judgement day- occuring after the Millenium kingdom) but the day when the Wrath of God is unleashed. The parable of the sower makes allusion to that.
A small curiosity that i have is: How can Satan deceive once again the mankind (not saved) on the battle with Gog and Magog when he is released?
"The rest of the dead" who lived not again until after the 1000 years were finished, are resurrected obviously at the end of the 1000 years as it says, and this is ALSO when Satan is released and then later is the Gog Magog war.
Does this clarify/answer your question or did I misunderstand the question?
@vudumojo Perharps i haven´t explained myself properly. My point is; How could those who were duped by Satan (not saved) and ended in Hell (knowing that he was the source of death and their foe) join him again and don´t repent to the sovereignty of the LORD Jesus Christ? Perharps we don´t have the answer yet as centuries ago a christian could only wonder what would be Satan´s strategy that we see only now taking an obvious form.
@MagnusShaman Excellent question. You would think it would be evident to them, after having died and living yet again but we see through a glass darkly at this time as well. Satan must have something very confusing in store.
Thanks for the great question! Answer = I don't know!
It's all about the time line. There is no rapture. We will go through the trib. We meet Yeshua ( His real name by the way) in the air when He sets foot on the mount of olives. The we reign with him for a 1000 years. We don't go to Heaven. No one does. The tares are the fallen angels. Daph
@dvmcgovern Yeshua is not a confirmed Hebrew rendering of Jesus. It is a guess name, fabricated by those that perjur themselves and claim Jesus is a pagan name. Jesus is not a pagan name.
@dvmcgovern Your info is incomplete though. Yes it's true, but in the original KJV Bible Jesus was THEN spelled with a "i" not a "j".
Not busting your chops, just the truth. Go get one and look at it.
THEN when the letter J was later used in the 1769 VERSION it was the correct choice because NAMES are TRANSLITERATED not translated for meaning, but rather to *sound the same* as close as possible.
At the time "J" didn't sound the way it does today.
@vudumojo Only the info I put on this page. I have learned a lot over the last year through a friend who lives Torah. But thanks for the info too. Daph
@dvmcgovern Regardless, whatever variant spelling of Yeshua, Jeshu,, Joshua you want to use is not backed by Biblical scholarship. The best name we have today is Jesus. If you got a problem with that, go join some Hebrew roots movement cult and bask 615 commandments of the Pharisees. have fun.
@UltimateWarrior65 Sorry but you are wrong. And we are not under the law we are in it. Big difference. But you keep being deceived by the Khazar Jews masquerading as the true Hebraic people who were chosen. Go do some more research you aren't there yet. Daph
@dvmcgovern Busting out all the Zionist dispensationalist cliches, are we? Go study Paleo Hebrew? The Khazars are the only bad jews? Hehehe, you Zionists are so predictable.
@UltimateWarrior65 Why do you hate GOD'S LAW and call it the Law of the Pharisees? Jesus didn't and neither did any of the Apostles. The Law and Commandments in the Old Testament are not the Law of the Pharisees but of God. Always were and always will be.
It's true we are not *saved* by works of God's law, absolutely Salvation is not connected to God's law our best deeds are as filthy rags, but don't call God's Law the Law of the Pharisees please. God's Law is eternal and perfect. Thank you.
Clearly the Tares are Taken out FIRST and then the Wheat/children of the Kingdom are Raptured.
YOU DON'T WANT TO TO BE TAKEN...OUT OF YOUR HOME, THE EARTH....FIRST WHILE OTHERS REMAIN HERE, BECAUSE IT IS THEY WHO ARE THE ELECT...NOT THOSE TAKEN OUT FIRST.
Sure this goes against everything we have been told by man, but it is what the Scripture says. Reject your teaching, accept the Scripture.
It comes with the territory I suppose though. I have a tendency to stroke the fur the other way, and go against very common doctrines and go against the grain, so people tend to violently disagree as a knee jerk reaction.
That's why I try to be so clear and stick to the Scripture all of the time, but some people can't be reached it seems.
Ask yourself which two major events single-handedly wiped out the Church Age (Millennium)? It was the French and Russian Revolutions, which killed many millions of people, particularly Christians. One could argue that that is when Satan's short reign began and still continues today.
@UltimateWarrior65 The tribulation Jesus said will be far worse than Noah's flood my friend. That hasn't happened, and the tribulation is before the millennium, and then to top it off, Jesus' return is also before the millennium and the elect live with Jesus on the earth after this HORRIBLE even terrible day of the LORD worse than the great flood when only 8 survived and they live as immortals, not mortal humans, so no. Nice theory but it doesn't fit the facts. I said in PM form remember?
Ironically the common concept of the rapture (pre-, mid- and post-trib) is a Mystery Babylon construct itself. See Cyrus I. Scofiled, the swindler who brought it to prominence.
The common belief of Eastern Christians was that the Millenium or Church Age would end with a sudden explosion of Mystery religions (Pharisaic Judaism and Freemasonry) and mass apostasy would follow. Therefore, we would currently be in the time when Satan has been unleashed for a short time. Great tribulation will indeed still come.
@UltimateWarrior65 Future, definitely future when something far worse than the flood of Noah occurs, and of course everyone died in that event save the 8, and this one will be far worse, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts as well, on "the Roman invasion of Jerusalem". If you wouldn't mind sending me a PM on the topic. :)
"Noe"?
misterbeanladen 1 month ago
@misterbeanladen In the Greek New Testament it is "Noe" in the Hebrew Old Testament it is "Noah", just as Isaiah in the Old Testament is Esaias.
Of course the translators of the English Bible knew it was the same person and COULD have chosen to just write "Noah" again, but their duty was to translate the words and transliterate the names accurately. So The man who's name is transliterated Noah in the Hebrew Old is transliterated Noe in from the Greek New testament.
vudumojo 1 month ago
I used to think I had this all figured out [how ignorant] but the more I learn the more confused I get. Strange but true. I don't understand ruling and reigning in a kingdom if there is no one to rule and reign over in said kingdom??
ginaduffey 4 months ago
@ginaduffey Very good. The more we really learn the more we learn we don't know much.
It's a human impulse to want to rule over other humans. Why would God condone that?
Jesus never did. He said the greater should SERVE the lesser, right?
Here in this verse you see even in ETERNITY we are said to "reign for ever and ever".
You don't need other people to reign over in order to reign over the earth do you?
See, it's pretty simple really, just gets confusing when we listen to preachers.
vudumojo 4 months ago
@vudumojo For me it isn't so much that I -want- to rule over anyone, it's just a matter of having so much to UNLEARN from church! It seems more and more that almost everything I learned there was inaccurate. I learned ALOT in church... which means I don't know ANYTHING!! ;)
ginaduffey 4 months ago
@ginaduffey Amen. I totally feel your pain; we have a lot of unlearning to do. Amen!
vudumojo 4 months ago
who will the elect reign over during the millennium?
ginaduffey 4 months ago
@ginaduffey Nobody, because they all die except for the elect and the elect are changed from mortal to immortal in the twinkling of an eye. So no mortal will be in the millennium at all.
By the same logic you just used let's look at another verse in the Bible:
Rev 22
"5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall *REIGN* for ever and ever." <-ETERNITY Reign over what then? The Kingdom my friend.
vudumojo 4 months ago
For an explanation of Mathew 24:28 & Luke 17:37 as to where those taken to, read Job 39:30 and clearly you don't want to be there.
JimmyCarol100 7 months ago
the rapture is not in the bible dude! we got a video on this matter!
DOCSAFETUBE 7 months ago
@JoBernard12oxen Everyone will be raised, saved or not saved, whether of the 1st, 2nd or THIRD resurrection.
The elect will be raised from their graves at Jesus' return in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and those alive at that time shall be changed to immortal as well, having never been in the grave (their mortal bodies will essentially die...noBODY is getting out of the great trib ALIVE).
Those of the 2nd RES are the great multitude, of Rev 7.
The 3rd are the blasphemers of Rev 20:13-15
vudumojo 8 months ago
@Challagar I already answered your question. Those of the 1st resurrection are the elect, 144,000. "The rest of the dead" are resurrected at the END of the 1000 years, at the same time Satan is released. They are of the second resurrection.
It is from this group that you speak of. Some will also receive eternal life as well as the elect though.
i.e. Rev 7
""9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues..."
vudumojo 8 months ago
I WILL!!!!
jjjonse 8 months ago
@jjjonse :) Good girl. Nail on the head!
BAMM! :)
vudumojo 8 months ago
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jacosoft666 9 months ago
Nice vid clarifying the scriptures. I would say that the rapture will occur after the tribulation period, in the day of the LORD when God saves the good and start judging the evil ( not the Judgement day- occuring after the Millenium kingdom) but the day when the Wrath of God is unleashed. The parable of the sower makes allusion to that.
A small curiosity that i have is: How can Satan deceive once again the mankind (not saved) on the battle with Gog and Magog when he is released?
God bless.
MagnusShaman 9 months ago
@MagnusShaman Thank you.
"The rest of the dead" who lived not again until after the 1000 years were finished, are resurrected obviously at the end of the 1000 years as it says, and this is ALSO when Satan is released and then later is the Gog Magog war.
Does this clarify/answer your question or did I misunderstand the question?
God bless you!
vudumojo 9 months ago
@vudumojo Perharps i haven´t explained myself properly. My point is; How could those who were duped by Satan (not saved) and ended in Hell (knowing that he was the source of death and their foe) join him again and don´t repent to the sovereignty of the LORD Jesus Christ? Perharps we don´t have the answer yet as centuries ago a christian could only wonder what would be Satan´s strategy that we see only now taking an obvious form.
God bless!
MagnusShaman 9 months ago
@MagnusShaman Excellent question. You would think it would be evident to them, after having died and living yet again but we see through a glass darkly at this time as well. Satan must have something very confusing in store.
Thanks for the great question! Answer = I don't know!
vudumojo 9 months ago
It's all about the time line. There is no rapture. We will go through the trib. We meet Yeshua ( His real name by the way) in the air when He sets foot on the mount of olives. The we reign with him for a 1000 years. We don't go to Heaven. No one does. The tares are the fallen angels. Daph
dvmcgovern 9 months ago
@dvmcgovern Yeshua is not a confirmed Hebrew rendering of Jesus. It is a guess name, fabricated by those that perjur themselves and claim Jesus is a pagan name. Jesus is not a pagan name.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 The letter "J" didn't exist until the 15th century So it couldn't have been His name. Daph
dvmcgovern 8 months ago
@dvmcgovern Your info is incomplete though. Yes it's true, but in the original KJV Bible Jesus was THEN spelled with a "i" not a "j".
Not busting your chops, just the truth. Go get one and look at it.
THEN when the letter J was later used in the 1769 VERSION it was the correct choice because NAMES are TRANSLITERATED not translated for meaning, but rather to *sound the same* as close as possible.
At the time "J" didn't sound the way it does today.
Facts!
vudumojo 8 months ago
@vudumojo Only the info I put on this page. I have learned a lot over the last year through a friend who lives Torah. But thanks for the info too. Daph
dvmcgovern 8 months ago
@dvmcgovern Regardless, whatever variant spelling of Yeshua, Jeshu,, Joshua you want to use is not backed by Biblical scholarship. The best name we have today is Jesus. If you got a problem with that, go join some Hebrew roots movement cult and bask 615 commandments of the Pharisees. have fun.
UltimateWarrior65 8 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 Sorry but you are wrong. And we are not under the law we are in it. Big difference. But you keep being deceived by the Khazar Jews masquerading as the true Hebraic people who were chosen. Go do some more research you aren't there yet. Daph
dvmcgovern 8 months ago
@dvmcgovern Busting out all the Zionist dispensationalist cliches, are we? Go study Paleo Hebrew? The Khazars are the only bad jews? Hehehe, you Zionists are so predictable.
UltimateWarrior65 8 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 Why do you hate GOD'S LAW and call it the Law of the Pharisees? Jesus didn't and neither did any of the Apostles. The Law and Commandments in the Old Testament are not the Law of the Pharisees but of God. Always were and always will be.
It's true we are not *saved* by works of God's law, absolutely Salvation is not connected to God's law our best deeds are as filthy rags, but don't call God's Law the Law of the Pharisees please. God's Law is eternal and perfect. Thank you.
vudumojo 8 months ago
Clearly the Tares are Taken out FIRST and then the Wheat/children of the Kingdom are Raptured.
YOU DON'T WANT TO TO BE TAKEN...OUT OF YOUR HOME, THE EARTH....FIRST WHILE OTHERS REMAIN HERE, BECAUSE IT IS THEY WHO ARE THE ELECT...NOT THOSE TAKEN OUT FIRST.
Sure this goes against everything we have been told by man, but it is what the Scripture says. Reject your teaching, accept the Scripture.
vudumojo 9 months ago
Good stuff. Enjoying very much what your doing Vudumojo.
Those that disagree should be a bit more specific with the problem.
taaronemore74 9 months ago
@taaronemore74 Thank you brother :)
It comes with the territory I suppose though. I have a tendency to stroke the fur the other way, and go against very common doctrines and go against the grain, so people tend to violently disagree as a knee jerk reaction.
That's why I try to be so clear and stick to the Scripture all of the time, but some people can't be reached it seems.
Thanks again for the kind words.
God bless you :)
vudumojo 9 months ago
Good video by the way ;)
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 Thank you
vudumojo 9 months ago
Ask yourself which two major events single-handedly wiped out the Church Age (Millennium)? It was the French and Russian Revolutions, which killed many millions of people, particularly Christians. One could argue that that is when Satan's short reign began and still continues today.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 The tribulation Jesus said will be far worse than Noah's flood my friend. That hasn't happened, and the tribulation is before the millennium, and then to top it off, Jesus' return is also before the millennium and the elect live with Jesus on the earth after this HORRIBLE even terrible day of the LORD worse than the great flood when only 8 survived and they live as immortals, not mortal humans, so no. Nice theory but it doesn't fit the facts. I said in PM form remember?
vudumojo 9 months ago
Ironically the common concept of the rapture (pre-, mid- and post-trib) is a Mystery Babylon construct itself. See Cyrus I. Scofiled, the swindler who brought it to prominence.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
The common belief of Eastern Christians was that the Millenium or Church Age would end with a sudden explosion of Mystery religions (Pharisaic Judaism and Freemasonry) and mass apostasy would follow. Therefore, we would currently be in the time when Satan has been unleashed for a short time. Great tribulation will indeed still come.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
@vudumojo What if the millenium already happened? Then the question becomes, how will God destroy this Earth...by fire of course.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
OK, so was this talking of the Roman invasion of Jerusalem or is this future? Why not just tell us what you think?
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago
@UltimateWarrior65 Future, definitely future when something far worse than the flood of Noah occurs, and of course everyone died in that event save the 8, and this one will be far worse, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts as well, on "the Roman invasion of Jerusalem". If you wouldn't mind sending me a PM on the topic. :)
vudumojo 9 months ago
@vudumojo But a future great tribulation doesn't require the millenium to also be future.
UltimateWarrior65 9 months ago