@bigstabby its custom.....this vid is just talking about the gun right of the shelf. It isnt rigged either because ive had bad experiences with m4's and mud...and water
@Sauerbutsweet1 Spike's doesn't have anything other than than the one type of BCG per caliber and the same barrels and M4 feed ramps. They're all the same. There is no such thing as a "custom" Spike's parts. Everything they used was Spike's and they only have one thing. I own a BCM upper with the auto BCG and standard 1:7 barrel all standard mil spec shit and many owners have ran them through mud and dirt through thousands of rounds and they run with no jams.
@tellyman6688500 ((This is just my opinion)) in 2006 when I did my basic military training. I was shocker (offenced) that our weapons can jammed... Back Then I don't understand why we use weapons that can jam or explose when it should be our own protection to survive. Well Today, I could just say. They won't pay much to do so less. hehe
@MrTschins more like cheaper rifle company vs master craftsman ship germans are wonderful craftsman but nothing Americans cant rival with there many smaller companies that make equal if not better rifles
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Haha ok tell that to every Nazi we killed, when we beat you intolerant fucks all the way back Berlin. By the way almost every new weapon is designed after the M4.
@BrotherPrimus Ok. Thanks. Yeah the germans made some of the most ground breaking military technology, the first assault rifle, the jet engine, military science, the nuclear program. I was saying though that, the most of the NEW rifles made today are based of Eugene Stoner's design, examples are the FN MK.16/17, H&K 416, Masada. I wasn't trying to take it back all the way to the first assault rifle. Thanks for sharing your two cents though.
@BrotherPrimus BTW the M4 is actually the one assualt rifle that is the least similar to the STG. They used a different operating system that was not based of the STGs, plus it was chambered in a completely new cartridge, something nobody had ever seen before. The Sig 556 takes more from the STG
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 What? That didn't make sense. Learn proper English lil hilter. Ok if you really think that you know nothing. The H&K 416 which is based off the M4. The 416 is used by German special forces suck it nazi. Who won WW2? Haha just remember that.
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Sorry but the HK M416 is a fine weapon but can't really hold up to a PWS, XCR, LWRC, the list goes on and on, the reason I wanted to go to this video was to see how the M4 would do under water, I know gas piston has little problem in water. In end the M4 and HK are the same, just HK is heavier and can be dropped in a pool for an hour, now I don't truly trust this M4 failure, kind of a waste of time.
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 You may be HK myopic, HK's weapons are sub par to all weapons stated for various reasons, I don't feel like elaborating but it isn't as tough as any of the weapons or as accurate, again its fine but it is in the same price range as HK has absolutely nothing better then any of them.
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Reasons, No, are you just saying that because you think so? The Rec7 is just a M416 with a superior round in a lighter weight package, wheres your reasoning?
@theslamminsammon Rec7 lost to the HK-416 on the tests. German rifle more accurate, reliable and has a large maximum distance of shooting more efficiently.
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Where did you get this info, it is physically improbable for it to have better max distance and accuracy, general rule of thumb is the heavier the projectile the less it is affected by wind and air pressure and the further its going to go, eh why don't you go to Nutnfancy's page and see what he thinks of the M416, oh wait, he hates it. Also what does shooting more efficiently mean?
@theslamminsammon the xcr is a horrible gun but PWS is awesome and LWRC are pretty overpriced when compared to PWS and that pisses me of that they got the balls to make such a price tag
@deej1478 Dude XCR is tougher then all the guns that I said, the only thing I can hate on is the weight is a half a pound more then the M4 and the recoil impulse is sharper, as with LWRC, they forge their barrels in a anodized coating different and superior to all other gun manufacturers coatings, making the gun more accurate, durable, and resistant to rust and heat, what do you have against Rob Arms my friend, they make a weapon perhaps with time better then any M4 to come.
@theslamminsammon that guy who runs Robinson Armament is a dick and he did funly develop his gun when he released it i just saw video after video of guns with defects not being able to fire consistently with out jamming
@deej1478 Yea those were "teething problems" of the first models, that is long gone, they took defective ones back to the factory and fixed them free of charge, they have great customer support and are much more proactive then HK ever has been, also what happened to you defending the M416? did you realize that LWRC, PWS and XCR beat it yet?
@theslamminsammon I forgot about the coating on the lwrc that is sorta bomb I am happy to see that the XCR is back on its game but i just love the MK116 pws really kicks ass just hate they raised there prices sorta pissed me off so many of the manufacturers fix there bugs in the guns so quick its hard to figure out which is the best anymore but i think LWRC could defiantly lower there prices a couple hundred dollars
@jackthePS3GAMER well im sure nobody really knows for sure what they actually use, but on the documentaries I've always seen them train with m4a1 and mp5
@jackthePS3GAMER you play too much COD. Their current primary or standard is the M4A1, which was specifically made for them due to mobility, fire rate, and accuracy at long distance; and it is the predecessor to the M16. ACR, which is interchangable to a 7.62 n' others), was made to replace the M4 but I haven't seen that happen yet. The M or HK 416 is the combination of the M4 and I believe the M16, or some other gun, to deal more damage and what not.
@jackthePS3GAMER you play too much COD. Their current primary or standard is the M4A1, which was specifically made for them due to mobility, fire rate, and accuracy at long distance; and it is the predecessor to the M16. ACR, which is interchangable to a 7.62 n' others), was made to replace the M4 but I haven't seen that happen yet. The M or HK 416 is the combination of the M4 and I believe the M16, or some other gun, to deal more damage and what not.
@Sipher91 and sorry don't mean to offend you in any way. My half cousin's a Navy SEALs currently goin through post traumatic stress. My uncle went through military school, while the rest of my family and some friends went through ROTC and have/or are currently serving. I unfortunately didn't make it through MEPS but am still trying for that med. waiver.... whatever it takes...
@Sipher91 No i don't even play shooting games anymore don't let my name confuse you in fact i own a couple of guns AR-15, Beretta Px-4 Storm and a Mac 90 couple of shotguns and a Winchester Rifle i inherited from my dad. I don't know about the Navy Seals so i would't really know what gun they used but it has seemed like i heard that they use MP5s so sorry for the confusion in fact i love guns but i don't know much about them most of the ones i have i inherited.
@jackthePS3GAMER yeh again, I apologize but yeh they do use MP 5s though, but generally seals are trained to know how to use most or all guns8). Subs., to ARs, to LMGs you name it. I'd ask my cousin but yeh... I gotta Remington 700 .223 model for hunting (yeh an asian hunting? lol) a P99, and a 223 Ruger mini 14 tac. rifle
@GscottS16 Nah man this shit will happen if you don't drain the gas tube. It's really not a big deal, this doesn't mean it's better. Actually DI ARs are superior. SOF hate the 416
@Arostyle380 Dude a C8 is pretty much the same thing as an M4. The only real difference is the A1 rear sight and ambi controls so how is it superior to a standard M4? It is also a DGI rifle so the test wouldn't go any different. This is great but not needed unless you are part of a water borne operation.
@Arostyle380 I don't see why that would be, both are direct gas impingement and both are made by Colt, so they would have the same quality control on the parts. Therefore I imagine they are the same reliability wise. The test would not have gone any differently.
@NatedogJr Because we are fielding a more ergonomic system, that we have been putting money into for almost 60 years. Also we don't see as much armor and vehicular combat as the Brits and Aussie do. I wouldn't put it past the SAD guys to use FN2000s when trying to be sterile. They use AR magazines and are very reliable for a bullpup. Also my friend who is a former Marine Scout Sniper said he met a woman who was in SAD and was carrying a black bullpup but he couldn't tell what it was.
So many people don't know what they are talking about.
1. The M416 isn't replacing anything, it's currently in service for field testing and the machine gun variation will serve as a lighter alternative to the minimi
2. The likely successor of the M16/M4 is the SCAR- L as the US is ordering more and more of them every year
3. Re-training won't be required, the M416 is just a modification of the M16 made to be more reliable. It feels and fires exactly the same as an M16.
@Fredfredbug4 No with the MK.16 it would require some training. Plus the MK.16 will not see much use. Our guys don't like it because of the reciprocating charging handle
@Fredfredbug4 The MK.16 is going nowhere. The only think Socom wants now are MK.17s in 308. I think the RANGERs and SOF guys will keep their existing SCARs but not buy any more
1. We can't call it "M416" just yet. LMG version is called the "M27".
2. I doubt the SCAR-L is the successor to the M4. The US Army intends to conduct an open competition called the INDIVIDUAL CARBINE for a successor to the M4, but the US Marine Corps will keep the current weapons.
@Fredfredbug4 The HK does not fire the same. SOF guys prefer DGI ARs because the DGI system is more accurate, it's faster and softer shooting so they get better split times than with a piston gun. DGI is as reliable as needed but piston systems can handle more dirt and grim. Being able to come out of the water shooting is not important unless you are a SEAL. The MK.16 would need alot more training than the 416, but the 416 would need cleaning and familiarization training
ppl r so ignorant these days. the m4 is a great weapon, but sooner or later, something better will come along. we've went from cannons to mortars to agm's. stuff is just going to get better. who cares if its from germany. that doesnt make it any worse. almost nobody's heritage originated from america. what america makes is a compilation of different ideas from different countries.
BTW I know some soldiers are loyal to their guns, and that's fine. That's not a reason to say that because some soldier prefers an M4, that this entire test is BS. Where are most soldiers fighting? Now, where are most SF units fighting? If ur a soldier, u culd care less about this test, but to others, this test is invaluable.
wth is wrong with the jerks saying 'M4 IS BEAST, UR A FAG' or 'AMERICA'S DA BEST, U MORON'? I think that the AR guns suck, but that's no reason to get rude. We use the German HK416 all the time, and the AR series has been aging fast. Just be civil about this. The M4 malfunctioned, so what? It was a test result of a scientific nature. This is not about bragging rights or nationalism. It is just a test. The M4 has its benefits, but it failed this test. Doesn't make it an opinion.
@Fettman501 I wasn't aware anyone was calling people fags haha. Who uses the H&K 416? Because American SOF don't like them. The DGI are better for multiple reasons, plus the 416 failed in the Army rifle trials. It's great that you can come out of the water shooting. But that is not that important unless you are a SEAL or coastguard, or some anti-piracy water born unit. The 416 was made with input from the SEALs. A DGI M4 will outperform a 416 anyday. That's a fact.
@Fettman501 SO why do you think they suck? After all most modern weapons are designed after the AR. The AR-15 has only been changed aesthetically pretty much, it's the most accurate service rifle ever fielded by the U.S. and many other countries. The best counter-terrorism units in the world prefer it over any other rifle. It's one of the most accurate, fast/soft shooting, lethal, reliable, ergonomic rifles ever. How could you hate that?
@Musashiprodigy idk. just a shaky start/history, and i like other rifles. it's a love/hate relationship with the AR for me, actually. I'd rather go with the SCAR, FAMAS (personal reasons), ACR, G36, G39, SiG 550 series, or other such guns. the AR is kinda okay. it is not as modern as other nations' weapons. it's not a bullpup, the design is almost 40 years old, it had issues in the past, and i kinda don't like the setup, and it doesn't have modern features like the above guns.
@Fettman501 Dude it is one of the most modern designs ever, that's why all the newer firearms are being designed after the ARs ergonomics, sights, modularity, design, cartridge, etc. Bullpups are cool but the SBS and SAS, plus some Aussie SASR prefer ARs over their SA80s or AUGs. Cuz of the ergonomics and accuracy. The malfunctions during Vietnam were due to changing the propellent at the last second then fielding it. After it was changed back it became a VERY potent jungle weapon
Why do you people keep comparing the M16 to the AK47? The AK47 is from 1947 for crying out loud. The AK74 has improved the AK concept since 1974 (what's in a name). Just as reliable, fires the 5.45x39 thus comparable recoil and bullet performance to the 5.56 NATO and just as modular as the M4/M16. Comparing the M16/M4 to the AK47 is like comparing it to the StG44, which is only 5 years older than the AK47. It's retarded.
@Robdgnl Because people still believe in stupid trends. The 74 kalash and AR would be a better debate. Still The AR wins, the AR has better ergonomics, sights, collapsible stocks, ARs also are inherently more modular.
The only American rifles that are a match to German rifles are the SCAR/SFCR series (Mk. 16 and Mk. 17) and the Bushmaster ACR. Germans have the G36, G39, G3, HK416, HK417... I say we need to make better rifles.
im not sure if it was just me that thinks this but it seemed like they made the M4 explode cuz the guy is wearing a faceguard like he was expecting it to blow....i've seen this vid before
they didnt make it explode. they knew it would explode. the us army has been seeking a replacement for the m4 and m16 for a while now because its a high maintenance gun tat is not very suitable for many conditions.
afaik the hk416 was a redesinged ar 15, it was supposed to replace the m4 and m16, hence the name hk416. this vid is not the there to prove which rifle is better, but merely a demonstration on why the m4 and m16 need to be replaced.
@KJT922010T the hk416 was designed to work in hostile conditions. It was designed to work if wet (or just like the video above, the rifle was dipped in the water and fired right after), if buried under sand (means grains ain't bothering me) and being buried under deep mud sir.
@KJT922010T You seriously think we will ONLY ever fight in sand? If it were up to you, you would wait till the next war to design a specific rifle, wouldn't you? These people are using what we call, "brains", and designing a rifle for every condition, right now.
And That Sir Is Why Colt Can Suck My Dick. I'd Feel Safer With A Stick Over A Colt M4 And People Wonder Why The U.S. Military Is Going Through Trials To Change Are Main Rifle? Did Ya Think Maybe That A Reason! & If You're Gonna Buy An AR-15 EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK UP LWRC
Wow obviously this guy is a dumb fuck or just a plain H&K fan boy he purposely didn't pull the bolt back on the m4 so this video is a fuck up he purposely made it look like the m4 Is unreliable
M4 IS UNRELIABLE and HK (any of them) is something that crap of M4 will never achieve in terms of reliability. Btw, the rifle in the video HK416 is redesigned M4 where the german engineers redesigned and changed internals of the gun. Am sorry, but seems to me that germans needed to save america's pride because M4 is a uter and complete failure of the gun. Don't get offended, am stating the facts. If you want reliable time after time proven weapon - buy an AK47 and be done with it.
@HondaMugen81 An AK? Really? The SASR, SAS, SBS, GROM, CAG, and all other SOF around the world should have talked to you before using the shit out of their ARs. EAG tactical has an AR that has run 30,000 no problem, just replaced the extractor. That makes the reliability bit just invalid. Almost every 416 that gets issued to SOF gets returned for DGI ARs, they shoot faster and softer. And actually more reliable. The 416s piston melted after 1000 rounds. DGI is more accurate to.
@HondaMugen81 As for the AK47 commnet. That is the MOST ridiculous thing ever. The AR is by far the superior rifle. its got ergonomics, better design, better ammo and cartridge, sights, modularity, better grenade launchers, longer barrel life. far better remedial action. American SOF have used the AR with great success for almost 60 years boy. That's not a failure. There's a reason most every weapon designed today is more AR than AK. The ARs superior the infantry rifle forever.
Superior? No. Better ergonomics (yes). Better design (no). Better ammo? (ridiculous, it's all based on the manufaturer of the ammo). Better caliber (no.). Sights (yes). Modularity (yes). Grenade launcher (discutable, all based on manufacturer). far better remedial action (somewhat true since Ak is in 7.62, thus harder recoil). Better reliability? (CLEAR NO). Better durability (No). Don't state superior when it's not. Good yes, but superior - please be serious.
@HondaMugen81 It has a better design, that's why it hasn't changed as much as the AK, it was designed to have a collapsible stock and many other superior things. No the ammo and cartridge are better, the 556 is superior ballistic wise. Just recently good 7.62 ammo has been made. 7.62 has good penetration that's about it. No the M203 and EGLM for the AR are FAR better, they have range finding sights the AKs GP series doesn't have, and the 40MM is better.
@sc3nt360 Its all about what you want to do. The SEALS like the 6.8 because it penetrates the barriers that the terrs use. Otherwise it is actually more limited compared to the 556. It weighs more so you can't carry as much. Also it is not as capable at longer ranges as it doesn't have as flat a trajectory as the 556. Plus SOF prefer their 72 grain 556 rounds over alot. We are going to keep the 556 for a long time to come. The heavier rounds will come form the MK48s, MK17s, and DMRs.
@Musashiprodigy True true. Never said the 556 is a bad round.. It just lacks the power of a bigger round. For an example.. would you rather clear a room with an M4 or an AK?..
@sc3nt360 M4. it's faster and softer shooting, better ergonomics, takes optics better. Plus most of my training has been with AR style rifles. The 556 is actually ballistically superior to the 7.62 39 and 7.62 51. It tumbles and comes apart and creates a bigger wound channel and more smaller wounds. The heavy rounds have more kinetic energy transfer, which I (and most SOF) can live without.
@Musashiprodigy What ur sayin is true.... but there are several cases where you need the energy.. if i want to secure a room... i dont dont want to shoot someone and see them still standing. Or even worse.. shoot back.
@sc3nt360 Geeeeez man that's what I was saying, is that that extra energy is not needed because of the ballistic performance of the 556, is does actually more damage to a target. all that energy does is creates more recoil, which effects follow up shots. I would only want more energy at longer ranges. Even still the SPR in 556 has proved to be a potent weapon system.
@sc3nt360 Are you shitting me? That is the biggest load of crap ever. Why did the Russians switch to the 545 (AK74) that is modeled after the 556, if it can't perform against armor? We were using armor piercing ammo during Somalia, that's why the rounds were going right thru the Somalians and not tumbling. Where do you come up with this stuff?
@Musashiprodigy If forgot the name of the body armour the american army uses but a 556 wont go through that. Just look back at the LA bank robbery with the guy wearing full body armour and the police could not bring him down with M16's.. the 556 is by no means a bad round.. our army uses the 556 nato aswell..
u got that totally wrong. they couldnt bring them down because they did NOT have m16's til the end of the fight. since then, almost all major law enforcement agencies in the US either allow or issue ar-15 type rifles to their patrol deputies to prevent that from happening again
@sc3nt360 Yeah you got it wrong. SWAT showed up at the end with ARs and brought the last guy down. If your talking about Dragon skin, we don't use that yet. And a level 4 ceramic ballistic plate (which most soldiers wear) can stop AK-47 and AR-15 rounds. Unless you have armor penetrating rounds. Again where do you come up with this stuff? Lemme guess you are trying to find reasons why the AK is better but can't? Am I right?
@sc3nt360 That's good to hear. Whether or not you have a 6.8 or 556 you can penetrate armor, you just gotta have the right ammo. The 6.8 has penetration power but other than that, its not any better than the 556. I shot one, it had more recoil than the 556 for sure. It was interesting, I was young though so I didn't appreciate it as much
@sc3nt360 I i was in Iraq, I'd take the 6.8 so I could penetrate the barriers that the terrs use. If I was anywhere else, I'd take the 556 anyday. It's the superior round
@Musashiprodigy The Individual Carbine is a carbine that will replace the M4 in the U.S Army. Unfortunately, the US Marine Corps will keep the current weapons. If a "improve" M4 won, then the other carbines are scrapped.
Here is a list of the carbines: XCR, Bushmaster ACR, FN SCAR, CM901, SR-16, HK-416/417, maybe the REC7
@NatedogJr It could still be a DGI AR. Plus SOF will probably still use DGI ARs for awhile. If the MK.16s and 416s can't replace them now, It's now likely much else will. SO the DGI system will stay with us for a long time to come. The ACR sucks, it fails horribly and the 416 is going nowhere the piston melted into the bolt carrier group in the Army rifle trials. Plus it can't keep up with DGI ARs, DGI is faster, softer and more accurate shooting.
@NatedogJr Maybe the M4 but it will probably be by a DGI AR which is pretty much the same thing. And the New mid length DGI ones being made by FN are going to stay around for awhile. Haha Isn't that what I just said?
@NatedogJr DGI (direct gas impingement) it's the operating system that the AR-15 uses. Yeah I'm pretty sure. They might go for a piston rifle, but I'll bet that Special Forces will still use their DGI ARs for a long time.
@NatedogJr If they are smart they will stay with DGI guns. But the military isn't always the smartest. They might go with the MK16 but I doubt that. They don't want to change the training.
@NatedogJr Are you serious? Of course SOF use DGI ARs, they have been for the past almost 60 years. They just recently got the 416s. What I was saying is that those special operations types don't like the 416 or the MK.16. They get better split times with the DGI ARs, plus they are lighter, softer, faster and more accurate shooting than the piston guns. SO all those high speed newer guns are being brought back for the good old DGI ARs. I hear they like the MK.17s in 308. though.
@HondaMugen81 Remedial action has nothing to do with recoil. It's how quickly can you clear a malfunction. AR wins that one. Reliability is all relative, an AR with 30,000 rounds thru it and still working is as reliable as needed. Durability goes to the AK, but how many professional soldiers put their weapon thru what an AK can handle? Not many. The AK is inferior no two ways around it. The Russians are trying to replace the AK with a more modern design that is much more different.
@HondaMugen81 I know people who have used ARs on multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. A SEAL, Scout Sniper, 1st CAV, 3rd group and sniper instructor at Ft Bragg. They all have told me that they never had a problem with their issued ARs. My friend in the CAV told me he had more problems with his M249 than anything else. Also any weapon can malfunction, look at the Hollywood shootout one robber had his AK go down. BTW a guy in Bosnia is not a Professional soldier.
@HondaMugen81 G.R.O.M. uses ARs because they know how superior it is. They are the best in Poland and need the best. The Brits and Aussie Counter terrorism units have used them for awhile now as, as well as alot of other SOF units because it is that good. The Galil has served actually pretty well, it's an AK with improvements. why is it bad? I was saying all those rifles have better ergonomics, accuracy, caliber, sights, modularity. They are all better in more ways than one
@HondaMugen81 Ak47 is big it has heavy recoil bad sights low range and low accuracy low fire rate and it has a bad heavy weight to it. Great reliability and good penetration power.
M16 has great range great accuracy Very low weight great fire rate and two fantastic sights.Low reliability if not properly cleaned. Cannot penetrate as good as the ak47. But is better at kill shots since the bullet breaks apart when entering the body and shatters into pieces. the ak47 just goes through and through.
@HondaMugen81 The Israelis traded their AK based Galils for ARs. Polish GROM uses ARs over all their AKs. So do many other badasses world wide. The AK is shit compared to most other rilfes. like the G3, FAL, G36, AR, Daewoo. More things have been changed on the AK than almost any other weapon, people changed the ergonomics, ammo, sights, barrel, forend. The AR has been changed for circumstantial reasons. Such as the SEALs wanted an AR that didn't need to be drained of water
Galil was never a good rifle to begin with. From your list I will ONLY accept a G36 (as a valid conteder. AR has clear advantage as an upgradable system, where with an AK-you're pretty much stuck (some mounts can help though). Still, it's a weapon that will save your ass anywhere and it's durability and reliability is unrivaled. Serbian SAJ uses AK's from Zastava (e.g. for your GROM example) - doesn't proove anything since it'a a personal preference at best.
@HondaMugen81 Have you ever shot an AR? I have shot plenty of both AK and AR. Both full and semi auto. I have had one malfunction with each. Point is your facts are wrong and warped. The AR is more expensive, but if you spend the money you get the professionals weapon. Not the little boys weapon in Africa or the Middle East. It's a great design but it is over-rated. Then again I bet you think a weapon mounted light is useless so I might be wasting my time.
No, I didn't shoot from an AR, but yes, a lot from AK, My point is simple, AK is a prooven design that will work ANYTIME and ANYWHERE under any coditions. Simply put, personaly I do NOT want to put my life on a line having a "professional" weapon that can malfunction. Until an AR prooves itself, for me the story is over. Ok, you have some valid points, but then again so do I.
Trust me, I've seen some fucking hardocre abuse of AK's in Bosnia (one guy had his ak submerged in a liquid mud - you know, swamp like sticky crap), he got his ak out, put the stock on the stone and cocked the rifle with his boot, picked it up and did a burst (no failure). Am sorry, I'm not saying AR is bad, am claiming that Ak is more reliable stystem and I need yet to see a rifle that can compare. For my money, H&K G36 is maybe the best conteder to rival AK.
@HondaMugen81 No doubt the AK can handle alot. And yes I've seen American special forces with AKs occasionally. But you have to understand the AK is not as capable as an AR. In combat zones you might have to shoot someone who is only exposing their head and gun at over 500 meters. The AK-47 is just not up for that. There have been more than one occasion where insurgents have been outgunned by AR wielding soldiers, just because of accuracy and softer/faster shooting.
The 416 was obviously designed for special operations. The main focus of this weapon system is it's flexibility in amphibious environments. I agree totally with TheVert1276. We can't discard the fact that most military operations for standard infantry has been executed in desert terrain, where the DI would most likely out shine the 416.
Love this video. Just goes to prove that the crap that we use in America truly sucks. We should be using the HK 416 and the SCAR H or L. Get rid of the M4 and M16s, get rid of the crapy Glocks and use better guns!
@GymFlurt25 As much as I dislike them, crappy Glocks? You clearly have NO fucking idea what you are talking about. I hate glocks. A lot. They are ugly as fuck, but they are incredible handguns.
@MirZZi...but because we have the best weaponry. do you think my superiors would send me into battle with anything less than the best? negative. im not trying to downgrade germany or anything like that, i think every country has the potential to be the best. but, fortunately, the united states its the best in my lifetime. DELTA COMPANY 313 3RD ID INFANTRY DIVISION
@MirZZi ...no dude, im not saying we invented the assault rifle. nor did germany, thats a whole different argument in itself. BUT, look at america man...look at our airforce..everybody wants our f-15s and f-16s and f-16s are going on 30 years old if not older. i like some of europes concepts with their assault rifles by downsizing them and putting the barrel inside the actual weapon. nobody can fuck with us, the US is the best country in the world, not ONLY because we have the best soldiers
the HK mr556 is way over priced. It is another over-hyped piston AR. It is not ergonomic, it's way too front heavy. It uses proprietary parts. Putting the HK logo on the side automatically drives the cost up 20%. I have a Noveske AR that is perfectly balanced and will shoot circles around a HK mr556.
@kimskis actually america has the best airforce and navy and i have pride in our army actually we have the best tank (abrams) we have barret 50 cal soo and U.S forces use hk416
Explain the Spike's Tactical video where Norm pulls his Spike's AR from a submergence in a puddle and fires it perfectly.
bigstabby 3 days ago
@bigstabby its custom.....this vid is just talking about the gun right of the shelf. It isnt rigged either because ive had bad experiences with m4's and mud...and water
Sauerbutsweet1 5 hours ago
@Sauerbutsweet1 Custom how? It's the standard mid-length upper. There's nothing you can do "custom" that would fix a problem like that.
bigstabby 4 hours ago
@bigstabby just switch out the internals....thats how its custom
Sauerbutsweet1 4 hours ago
@Sauerbutsweet1 Spike's doesn't have anything other than than the one type of BCG per caliber and the same barrels and M4 feed ramps. They're all the same. There is no such thing as a "custom" Spike's parts. Everything they used was Spike's and they only have one thing. I own a BCM upper with the auto BCG and standard 1:7 barrel all standard mil spec shit and many owners have ran them through mud and dirt through thousands of rounds and they run with no jams.
bigstabby 3 hours ago
haha, we in norway have changed to this rifle 2 years ago.
tellyman6688500 4 days ago
@tellyman6688500 ((This is just my opinion)) in 2006 when I did my basic military training. I was shocker (offenced) that our weapons can jammed... Back Then I don't understand why we use weapons that can jam or explose when it should be our own protection to survive. Well Today, I could just say. They won't pay much to do so less. hehe
Crombo 3 days ago in playlist WHAT THE FUCK!
The next time I shoot my AR15 while in the bathtub I will remember this....
glcwhistler 5 days ago
wow he defiantly waits longer with the H&K though to drain not exactly fair
deej1478 1 week ago
Hk416 = German
M4 = USA
MrTschins 1 week ago in playlist Heckler und Koch
@MrTschins more like cheaper rifle company vs master craftsman ship germans are wonderful craftsman but nothing Americans cant rival with there many smaller companies that make equal if not better rifles
deej1478 1 week ago
HK416 is better!
PARADOXON1987 1 week ago
"Das Boot, techno music.". I don't need your techno or Dj job, because it's much better and tougher DORO Pesch. She's the genuine spirit of H.K.
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LWRCSOPMOD 1 week ago
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john117dude 2 weeks ago
lol its like the guy knew the M4 would blow up when he put on that protective mask.
hotbegreturns 2 weeks ago
id hate to run into that guy in a dark swimming pool
QuintonGsProfile 2 weeks ago
Yeah america sucks and m-4 sucks
DisgorgeKILLusa4 2 weeks ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Haha ok tell that to every Nazi we killed, when we beat you intolerant fucks all the way back Berlin. By the way almost every new weapon is designed after the M4.
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy Sorry to tell you but most modern assault rifles (including the M4) all came from the same design, the STG44.
BrotherPrimus 2 weeks ago
@BrotherPrimus Ok. Thanks. Yeah the germans made some of the most ground breaking military technology, the first assault rifle, the jet engine, military science, the nuclear program. I was saying though that, the most of the NEW rifles made today are based of Eugene Stoner's design, examples are the FN MK.16/17, H&K 416, Masada. I wasn't trying to take it back all the way to the first assault rifle. Thanks for sharing your two cents though.
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
@BrotherPrimus BTW the M4 is actually the one assualt rifle that is the least similar to the STG. They used a different operating system that was not based of the STGs, plus it was chambered in a completely new cartridge, something nobody had ever seen before. The Sig 556 takes more from the STG
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy I tell it do dead americunt faggot i their gay face, oh wait loser your next
M-4 is shit
DisgorgeKILLusa4 2 weeks ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 What? That didn't make sense. Learn proper English lil hilter. Ok if you really think that you know nothing. The H&K 416 which is based off the M4. The 416 is used by German special forces suck it nazi. Who won WW2? Haha just remember that.
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy We won of course your shitty world are in scrap now lol and we live and rise again.
Yes but it's more better than your shitty weapon cux it's German. So fuck english.
DisgorgeKILLusa4 2 weeks ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 I think the nazi got their asses beat. Tell me if I'm wrong haha. Haha your ridiculous, it's more better is not proper english
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy In furture we see whos are wrong lol, you're fucked
DisgorgeKILLusa4 2 weeks ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Sorry but the HK M416 is a fine weapon but can't really hold up to a PWS, XCR, LWRC, the list goes on and on, the reason I wanted to go to this video was to see how the M4 would do under water, I know gas piston has little problem in water. In end the M4 and HK are the same, just HK is heavier and can be dropped in a pool for an hour, now I don't truly trust this M4 failure, kind of a waste of time.
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon Ok dont waste time, HK-416 is better
DisgorgeKILLusa4 1 week ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 You may be HK myopic, HK's weapons are sub par to all weapons stated for various reasons, I don't feel like elaborating but it isn't as tough as any of the weapons or as accurate, again its fine but it is in the same price range as HK has absolutely nothing better then any of them.
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon HK-416/417 better than Barrett Rec7 and that says it all
DisgorgeKILLusa4 1 week ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Reasons, No, are you just saying that because you think so? The Rec7 is just a M416 with a superior round in a lighter weight package, wheres your reasoning?
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon Rec7 lost to the HK-416 on the tests. German rifle more accurate, reliable and has a large maximum distance of shooting more efficiently.
DisgorgeKILLusa4 1 week ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Where did you get this info, it is physically improbable for it to have better max distance and accuracy, general rule of thumb is the heavier the projectile the less it is affected by wind and air pressure and the further its going to go, eh why don't you go to Nutnfancy's page and see what he thinks of the M416, oh wait, he hates it. Also what does shooting more efficiently mean?
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon the xcr is a horrible gun but PWS is awesome and LWRC are pretty overpriced when compared to PWS and that pisses me of that they got the balls to make such a price tag
deej1478 1 week ago
@deej1478 Dude XCR is tougher then all the guns that I said, the only thing I can hate on is the weight is a half a pound more then the M4 and the recoil impulse is sharper, as with LWRC, they forge their barrels in a anodized coating different and superior to all other gun manufacturers coatings, making the gun more accurate, durable, and resistant to rust and heat, what do you have against Rob Arms my friend, they make a weapon perhaps with time better then any M4 to come.
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon that guy who runs Robinson Armament is a dick and he did funly develop his gun when he released it i just saw video after video of guns with defects not being able to fire consistently with out jamming
deej1478 1 week ago
@deej1478 Yea those were "teething problems" of the first models, that is long gone, they took defective ones back to the factory and fixed them free of charge, they have great customer support and are much more proactive then HK ever has been, also what happened to you defending the M416? did you realize that LWRC, PWS and XCR beat it yet?
theslamminsammon 1 week ago
@theslamminsammon I forgot about the coating on the lwrc that is sorta bomb I am happy to see that the XCR is back on its game but i just love the MK116 pws really kicks ass just hate they raised there prices sorta pissed me off so many of the manufacturers fix there bugs in the guns so quick its hard to figure out which is the best anymore but i think LWRC could defiantly lower there prices a couple hundred dollars
deej1478 1 week ago
@DisgorgeKILLusa4 Lol says the Nazi loving faggot who think's he's Adolph Hitler. You are a disgrace to the human race and i'm not even an American.
AdoreYouInAshXI 2 weeks ago
@AdoreYouInAshXI Are you saying all Germans are Nazis?
BrotherPrimus 2 weeks ago
@AdoreYouInAshXI Adolf is live and he rise to take your lives. Sieg hail buddy.
DisgorgeKILLusa4 2 weeks ago
@jackthePS3GAMER well im sure nobody really knows for sure what they actually use, but on the documentaries I've always seen them train with m4a1 and mp5
GscottS16 3 weeks ago
If the m4 actually did that, navy seals wouldn't use it
GscottS16 3 weeks ago
@GscottS16 i thought navy seal used mp5 and the scar h maybe im wrong but i thought that was right
jackthePS3GAMER 3 weeks ago
@jackthePS3GAMER you play too much COD. Their current primary or standard is the M4A1, which was specifically made for them due to mobility, fire rate, and accuracy at long distance; and it is the predecessor to the M16. ACR, which is interchangable to a 7.62 n' others), was made to replace the M4 but I haven't seen that happen yet. The M or HK 416 is the combination of the M4 and I believe the M16, or some other gun, to deal more damage and what not.
Sipher91 3 weeks ago
@jackthePS3GAMER you play too much COD. Their current primary or standard is the M4A1, which was specifically made for them due to mobility, fire rate, and accuracy at long distance; and it is the predecessor to the M16. ACR, which is interchangable to a 7.62 n' others), was made to replace the M4 but I haven't seen that happen yet. The M or HK 416 is the combination of the M4 and I believe the M16, or some other gun, to deal more damage and what not.
Sipher91 3 weeks ago
@Sipher91 and sorry don't mean to offend you in any way. My half cousin's a Navy SEALs currently goin through post traumatic stress. My uncle went through military school, while the rest of my family and some friends went through ROTC and have/or are currently serving. I unfortunately didn't make it through MEPS but am still trying for that med. waiver.... whatever it takes...
Sipher91 3 weeks ago
@Sipher91 ugh, can't believe the Germans are setting the standard lol
Sipher91 3 weeks ago
@Sipher91 No i don't even play shooting games anymore don't let my name confuse you in fact i own a couple of guns AR-15, Beretta Px-4 Storm and a Mac 90 couple of shotguns and a Winchester Rifle i inherited from my dad. I don't know about the Navy Seals so i would't really know what gun they used but it has seemed like i heard that they use MP5s so sorry for the confusion in fact i love guns but i don't know much about them most of the ones i have i inherited.
jackthePS3GAMER 3 weeks ago
@jackthePS3GAMER yeh again, I apologize but yeh they do use MP 5s though, but generally seals are trained to know how to use most or all guns8). Subs., to ARs, to LMGs you name it. I'd ask my cousin but yeh... I gotta Remington 700 .223 model for hunting (yeh an asian hunting? lol) a P99, and a 223 Ruger mini 14 tac. rifle
Sipher91 2 weeks ago
@GscottS16 Nah man this shit will happen if you don't drain the gas tube. It's really not a big deal, this doesn't mean it's better. Actually DI ARs are superior. SOF hate the 416
Musashiprodigy 2 weeks ago
What music is that in the background?
SkitzoSocial 3 weeks ago
What about comparing it to the M4 though? We all know the C8 beats the M4 hands down, F A C T, but how does the C8 stand up to a 416 by by H&K?
Arostyle380 3 weeks ago
@Arostyle380 Dude a C8 is pretty much the same thing as an M4. The only real difference is the A1 rear sight and ambi controls so how is it superior to a standard M4? It is also a DGI rifle so the test wouldn't go any different. This is great but not needed unless you are part of a water borne operation.
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy I was told the C8 is a lot more reliable and the internals are better.
Arostyle380 3 weeks ago
@Arostyle380 I don't see why that would be, both are direct gas impingement and both are made by Colt, so they would have the same quality control on the parts. Therefore I imagine they are the same reliability wise. The test would not have gone any differently.
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy I wonder why we (USA) don't use bull-pups...
NatedogJr 3 weeks ago
@NatedogJr Because we are fielding a more ergonomic system, that we have been putting money into for almost 60 years. Also we don't see as much armor and vehicular combat as the Brits and Aussie do. I wouldn't put it past the SAD guys to use FN2000s when trying to be sterile. They use AR magazines and are very reliable for a bullpup. Also my friend who is a former Marine Scout Sniper said he met a woman who was in SAD and was carrying a black bullpup but he couldn't tell what it was.
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy I swear that the FN F2000 look like something from Halo....
Anyways, I thought, "Hey, some countries use bull-pups. But not us. I wonder why?" But oh well...
NatedogJr 3 weeks ago
So many people don't know what they are talking about.
1. The M416 isn't replacing anything, it's currently in service for field testing and the machine gun variation will serve as a lighter alternative to the minimi
2. The likely successor of the M16/M4 is the SCAR- L as the US is ordering more and more of them every year
3. Re-training won't be required, the M416 is just a modification of the M16 made to be more reliable. It feels and fires exactly the same as an M16.
Fredfredbug4 3 weeks ago
@Fredfredbug4 No with the MK.16 it would require some training. Plus the MK.16 will not see much use. Our guys don't like it because of the reciprocating charging handle
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Fredfredbug4 The MK.16 is going nowhere. The only think Socom wants now are MK.17s in 308. I think the RANGERs and SOF guys will keep their existing SCARs but not buy any more
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy The only thing*
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Fredfredbug4
1. We can't call it "M416" just yet. LMG version is called the "M27".
2. I doubt the SCAR-L is the successor to the M4. The US Army intends to conduct an open competition called the INDIVIDUAL CARBINE for a successor to the M4, but the US Marine Corps will keep the current weapons.
3. (True)
NatedogJr 3 weeks ago
@Fredfredbug4 The HK does not fire the same. SOF guys prefer DGI ARs because the DGI system is more accurate, it's faster and softer shooting so they get better split times than with a piston gun. DGI is as reliable as needed but piston systems can handle more dirt and grim. Being able to come out of the water shooting is not important unless you are a SEAL. The MK.16 would need alot more training than the 416, but the 416 would need cleaning and familiarization training
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
kids playing bf3 and talking about weapons LOOL
QRWASUPER 3 weeks ago
@QRWASUPER I've never played BF3. Is it any good? Care to join us? You seem to be confident you know what your talking about haha
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy ...which means that we don't use bull-pups....
NatedogJr 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr Eh?? Yeah I thought that much was clear
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
ppl r so ignorant these days. the m4 is a great weapon, but sooner or later, something better will come along. we've went from cannons to mortars to agm's. stuff is just going to get better. who cares if its from germany. that doesnt make it any worse. almost nobody's heritage originated from america. what america makes is a compilation of different ideas from different countries.
robdong1 4 weeks ago
BTW I know some soldiers are loyal to their guns, and that's fine. That's not a reason to say that because some soldier prefers an M4, that this entire test is BS. Where are most soldiers fighting? Now, where are most SF units fighting? If ur a soldier, u culd care less about this test, but to others, this test is invaluable.
Fettman501 4 weeks ago
wth is wrong with the jerks saying 'M4 IS BEAST, UR A FAG' or 'AMERICA'S DA BEST, U MORON'? I think that the AR guns suck, but that's no reason to get rude. We use the German HK416 all the time, and the AR series has been aging fast. Just be civil about this. The M4 malfunctioned, so what? It was a test result of a scientific nature. This is not about bragging rights or nationalism. It is just a test. The M4 has its benefits, but it failed this test. Doesn't make it an opinion.
Fettman501 4 weeks ago
@Fettman501 I wasn't aware anyone was calling people fags haha. Who uses the H&K 416? Because American SOF don't like them. The DGI are better for multiple reasons, plus the 416 failed in the Army rifle trials. It's great that you can come out of the water shooting. But that is not that important unless you are a SEAL or coastguard, or some anti-piracy water born unit. The 416 was made with input from the SEALs. A DGI M4 will outperform a 416 anyday. That's a fact.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy true, true
Fettman501 3 weeks ago
@Fettman501 SO why do you think they suck? After all most modern weapons are designed after the AR. The AR-15 has only been changed aesthetically pretty much, it's the most accurate service rifle ever fielded by the U.S. and many other countries. The best counter-terrorism units in the world prefer it over any other rifle. It's one of the most accurate, fast/soft shooting, lethal, reliable, ergonomic rifles ever. How could you hate that?
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy idk. just a shaky start/history, and i like other rifles. it's a love/hate relationship with the AR for me, actually. I'd rather go with the SCAR, FAMAS (personal reasons), ACR, G36, G39, SiG 550 series, or other such guns. the AR is kinda okay. it is not as modern as other nations' weapons. it's not a bullpup, the design is almost 40 years old, it had issues in the past, and i kinda don't like the setup, and it doesn't have modern features like the above guns.
Fettman501 3 weeks ago
@Fettman501 just my opinion.
Fettman501 3 weeks ago
@Fettman501 Dude it is one of the most modern designs ever, that's why all the newer firearms are being designed after the ARs ergonomics, sights, modularity, design, cartridge, etc. Bullpups are cool but the SBS and SAS, plus some Aussie SASR prefer ARs over their SA80s or AUGs. Cuz of the ergonomics and accuracy. The malfunctions during Vietnam were due to changing the propellent at the last second then fielding it. After it was changed back it became a VERY potent jungle weapon
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
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Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Fettman501 By the way, the ACR, and the SCAR are modeled after Eugene Stoner's AR. The G39 is an airsoft gun
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy i thought the G39 was real
Fettman501 3 weeks ago
@Fettman501 Negative.
Musashiprodigy 3 weeks ago
Why do you people keep comparing the M16 to the AK47? The AK47 is from 1947 for crying out loud. The AK74 has improved the AK concept since 1974 (what's in a name). Just as reliable, fires the 5.45x39 thus comparable recoil and bullet performance to the 5.56 NATO and just as modular as the M4/M16. Comparing the M16/M4 to the AK47 is like comparing it to the StG44, which is only 5 years older than the AK47. It's retarded.
Robdgnl 1 month ago
@Robdgnl Because people still believe in stupid trends. The 74 kalash and AR would be a better debate. Still The AR wins, the AR has better ergonomics, sights, collapsible stocks, ARs also are inherently more modular.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
The only American rifles that are a match to German rifles are the SCAR/SFCR series (Mk. 16 and Mk. 17) and the Bushmaster ACR. Germans have the G36, G39, G3, HK416, HK417... I say we need to make better rifles.
Fettman501 1 month ago
kerson cooper?
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cobrachoppergirl 1 month ago
im not sure if it was just me that thinks this but it seemed like they made the M4 explode cuz the guy is wearing a faceguard like he was expecting it to blow....i've seen this vid before
CFProject153 1 month ago
@CFProject153
they didnt make it explode. they knew it would explode. the us army has been seeking a replacement for the m4 and m16 for a while now because its a high maintenance gun tat is not very suitable for many conditions.
afaik the hk416 was a redesinged ar 15, it was supposed to replace the m4 and m16, hence the name hk416. this vid is not the there to prove which rifle is better, but merely a demonstration on why the m4 and m16 need to be replaced.
VulgorSchnecke 1 month ago
Is it true that it is unadvisable to place optics whose mount crosses the line between the receiver and the handguard?
TheShooterAddicted 1 month ago
I hear the US might start to use the HK416 actully. Plus the Scar and ACR in the future
KJT922010T 1 month ago
What's the point of putting a M-4 underwater? We are fighting in the desert with no water with in 3000 miles
KJT922010T 1 month ago
@KJT922010T the hk416 was designed to work in hostile conditions. It was designed to work if wet (or just like the video above, the rifle was dipped in the water and fired right after), if buried under sand (means grains ain't bothering me) and being buried under deep mud sir.
podster12 1 month ago
@KJT922010T You seriously think we will ONLY ever fight in sand? If it were up to you, you would wait till the next war to design a specific rifle, wouldn't you? These people are using what we call, "brains", and designing a rifle for every condition, right now.
SUP3RZ0MB1E 1 month ago
@KJT922010T
You guys were in Vietnam.. Just water, swamps and no desert around for 3000 miles.
Gl with your way of thinking.
HondaMugen81 1 month ago
I personally own an AR15 and it is an awesome weapon! Accurate and reliable
WaltzingCapote 1 month ago
Deutsche Waffen sind ja auch die besten ;)
LiveGamerFSK 2 months ago in playlist Weapons
And That Sir Is Why Colt Can Suck My Dick. I'd Feel Safer With A Stick Over A Colt M4 And People Wonder Why The U.S. Military Is Going Through Trials To Change Are Main Rifle? Did Ya Think Maybe That A Reason! & If You're Gonna Buy An AR-15 EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK UP LWRC
Quinnstafer 2 months ago
@Quinnstafer Amen brothah.
ArcticWolf45I 2 months ago
Wow obviously this guy is a dumb fuck or just a plain H&K fan boy he purposely didn't pull the bolt back on the m4 so this video is a fuck up he purposely made it look like the m4 Is unreliable
Rdelzell492 2 months ago
@Rdelzell492
M4 IS UNRELIABLE and HK (any of them) is something that crap of M4 will never achieve in terms of reliability. Btw, the rifle in the video HK416 is redesigned M4 where the german engineers redesigned and changed internals of the gun. Am sorry, but seems to me that germans needed to save america's pride because M4 is a uter and complete failure of the gun. Don't get offended, am stating the facts. If you want reliable time after time proven weapon - buy an AK47 and be done with it.
HondaMugen81 2 months ago 2
@HondaMugen81 An AK? Really? The SASR, SAS, SBS, GROM, CAG, and all other SOF around the world should have talked to you before using the shit out of their ARs. EAG tactical has an AR that has run 30,000 no problem, just replaced the extractor. That makes the reliability bit just invalid. Almost every 416 that gets issued to SOF gets returned for DGI ARs, they shoot faster and softer. And actually more reliable. The 416s piston melted after 1000 rounds. DGI is more accurate to.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy 30,000 rounds
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 As for the AK47 commnet. That is the MOST ridiculous thing ever. The AR is by far the superior rifle. its got ergonomics, better design, better ammo and cartridge, sights, modularity, better grenade launchers, longer barrel life. far better remedial action. American SOF have used the AR with great success for almost 60 years boy. That's not a failure. There's a reason most every weapon designed today is more AR than AK. The ARs superior the infantry rifle forever.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
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Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy
Superior? No. Better ergonomics (yes). Better design (no). Better ammo? (ridiculous, it's all based on the manufaturer of the ammo). Better caliber (no.). Sights (yes). Modularity (yes). Grenade launcher (discutable, all based on manufacturer). far better remedial action (somewhat true since Ak is in 7.62, thus harder recoil). Better reliability? (CLEAR NO). Better durability (No). Don't state superior when it's not. Good yes, but superior - please be serious.
HondaMugen81 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 It has a better design, that's why it hasn't changed as much as the AK, it was designed to have a collapsible stock and many other superior things. No the ammo and cartridge are better, the 556 is superior ballistic wise. Just recently good 7.62 ammo has been made. 7.62 has good penetration that's about it. No the M203 and EGLM for the AR are FAR better, they have range finding sights the AKs GP series doesn't have, and the 40MM is better.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy the new 6.8 is the future for AR's.. the 556 is a good round but just dont cut it anymore.
sc3nt360 1 month ago
@sc3nt360 Its all about what you want to do. The SEALS like the 6.8 because it penetrates the barriers that the terrs use. Otherwise it is actually more limited compared to the 556. It weighs more so you can't carry as much. Also it is not as capable at longer ranges as it doesn't have as flat a trajectory as the 556. Plus SOF prefer their 72 grain 556 rounds over alot. We are going to keep the 556 for a long time to come. The heavier rounds will come form the MK48s, MK17s, and DMRs.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy True true. Never said the 556 is a bad round.. It just lacks the power of a bigger round. For an example.. would you rather clear a room with an M4 or an AK?..
sc3nt360 1 month ago
@sc3nt360 M4. it's faster and softer shooting, better ergonomics, takes optics better. Plus most of my training has been with AR style rifles. The 556 is actually ballistically superior to the 7.62 39 and 7.62 51. It tumbles and comes apart and creates a bigger wound channel and more smaller wounds. The heavy rounds have more kinetic energy transfer, which I (and most SOF) can live without.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy What ur sayin is true.... but there are several cases where you need the energy.. if i want to secure a room... i dont dont want to shoot someone and see them still standing. Or even worse.. shoot back.
sc3nt360 1 month ago
@sc3nt360 Geeeeez man that's what I was saying, is that that extra energy is not needed because of the ballistic performance of the 556, is does actually more damage to a target. all that energy does is creates more recoil, which effects follow up shots. I would only want more energy at longer ranges. Even still the SPR in 556 has proved to be a potent weapon system.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@sc3nt360 No comment?
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy went to sleep. Bit what if your enemy is using body armour..? 556 wont cut it bro :D
sc3nt360 1 month ago
@sc3nt360 Are you shitting me? That is the biggest load of crap ever. Why did the Russians switch to the 545 (AK74) that is modeled after the 556, if it can't perform against armor? We were using armor piercing ammo during Somalia, that's why the rounds were going right thru the Somalians and not tumbling. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy If forgot the name of the body armour the american army uses but a 556 wont go through that. Just look back at the LA bank robbery with the guy wearing full body armour and the police could not bring him down with M16's.. the 556 is by no means a bad round.. our army uses the 556 nato aswell..
sc3nt360 4 weeks ago
@sc3nt360
dude.
u got that totally wrong. they couldnt bring them down because they did NOT have m16's til the end of the fight. since then, almost all major law enforcement agencies in the US either allow or issue ar-15 type rifles to their patrol deputies to prevent that from happening again
dawnmarko1 4 weeks ago
@sc3nt360 Yeah you got it wrong. SWAT showed up at the end with ARs and brought the last guy down. If your talking about Dragon skin, we don't use that yet. And a level 4 ceramic ballistic plate (which most soldiers wear) can stop AK-47 and AR-15 rounds. Unless you have armor penetrating rounds. Again where do you come up with this stuff? Lemme guess you are trying to find reasons why the AK is better but can't? Am I right?
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy nah bro, Im no AK fanboi.. Id take an M4 over an Ak anyday.. but what we're discussing is the 556 vs the 6.8
sc3nt360 4 weeks ago
@sc3nt360 That's good to hear. Whether or not you have a 6.8 or 556 you can penetrate armor, you just gotta have the right ammo. The 6.8 has penetration power but other than that, its not any better than the 556. I shot one, it had more recoil than the 556 for sure. It was interesting, I was young though so I didn't appreciate it as much
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@sc3nt360 I i was in Iraq, I'd take the 6.8 so I could penetrate the barriers that the terrs use. If I was anywhere else, I'd take the 556 anyday. It's the superior round
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy The Individual Carbine is a carbine that will replace the M4 in the U.S Army. Unfortunately, the US Marine Corps will keep the current weapons. If a "improve" M4 won, then the other carbines are scrapped.
Here is a list of the carbines: XCR, Bushmaster ACR, FN SCAR, CM901, SR-16, HK-416/417, maybe the REC7
NatedogJr 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr It could still be a DGI AR. Plus SOF will probably still use DGI ARs for awhile. If the MK.16s and 416s can't replace them now, It's now likely much else will. SO the DGI system will stay with us for a long time to come. The ACR sucks, it fails horribly and the 416 is going nowhere the piston melted into the bolt carrier group in the Army rifle trials. Plus it can't keep up with DGI ARs, DGI is faster, softer and more accurate shooting.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy It's not likely*
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy The replacement of the M4 should be fielded by 2013. The M27 IAR is to replace the M249, as a LMG for infantry use.
They say the HK 416 is used by US Special Operators, but i never heard of the DGI...
NatedogJr 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr Maybe the M4 but it will probably be by a DGI AR which is pretty much the same thing. And the New mid length DGI ones being made by FN are going to stay around for awhile. Haha Isn't that what I just said?
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy So you are positive that the M4 successor will be the this.....DGI?
NatedogJr 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr DGI (direct gas impingement) it's the operating system that the AR-15 uses. Yeah I'm pretty sure. They might go for a piston rifle, but I'll bet that Special Forces will still use their DGI ARs for a long time.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@Musashiprodigy And what about a regular infantryman?
NatedogJr 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr If they are smart they will stay with DGI guns. But the military isn't always the smartest. They might go with the MK16 but I doubt that. They don't want to change the training.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr Are you serious? Of course SOF use DGI ARs, they have been for the past almost 60 years. They just recently got the 416s. What I was saying is that those special operations types don't like the 416 or the MK.16. They get better split times with the DGI ARs, plus they are lighter, softer, faster and more accurate shooting than the piston guns. SO all those high speed newer guns are being brought back for the good old DGI ARs. I hear they like the MK.17s in 308. though.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@NatedogJr The Marines acctually got some 416s that have heavy barrels, they are meant to replace their 249s.
Musashiprodigy 4 weeks ago
@HondaMugen81 Remedial action has nothing to do with recoil. It's how quickly can you clear a malfunction. AR wins that one. Reliability is all relative, an AR with 30,000 rounds thru it and still working is as reliable as needed. Durability goes to the AK, but how many professional soldiers put their weapon thru what an AK can handle? Not many. The AK is inferior no two ways around it. The Russians are trying to replace the AK with a more modern design that is much more different.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 I know people who have used ARs on multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. A SEAL, Scout Sniper, 1st CAV, 3rd group and sniper instructor at Ft Bragg. They all have told me that they never had a problem with their issued ARs. My friend in the CAV told me he had more problems with his M249 than anything else. Also any weapon can malfunction, look at the Hollywood shootout one robber had his AK go down. BTW a guy in Bosnia is not a Professional soldier.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 G.R.O.M. uses ARs because they know how superior it is. They are the best in Poland and need the best. The Brits and Aussie Counter terrorism units have used them for awhile now as, as well as alot of other SOF units because it is that good. The Galil has served actually pretty well, it's an AK with improvements. why is it bad? I was saying all those rifles have better ergonomics, accuracy, caliber, sights, modularity. They are all better in more ways than one
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 Oh yeah the Serbian counter terrorists unit SAJ use the AR. Again because of how superior it is compared to their AKs.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 Ak47 is big it has heavy recoil bad sights low range and low accuracy low fire rate and it has a bad heavy weight to it. Great reliability and good penetration power.
M16 has great range great accuracy Very low weight great fire rate and two fantastic sights.Low reliability if not properly cleaned. Cannot penetrate as good as the ak47. But is better at kill shots since the bullet breaks apart when entering the body and shatters into pieces. the ak47 just goes through and through.
lordnocts 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 Nothing to say?
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 The Israelis traded their AK based Galils for ARs. Polish GROM uses ARs over all their AKs. So do many other badasses world wide. The AK is shit compared to most other rilfes. like the G3, FAL, G36, AR, Daewoo. More things have been changed on the AK than almost any other weapon, people changed the ergonomics, ammo, sights, barrel, forend. The AR has been changed for circumstantial reasons. Such as the SEALs wanted an AR that didn't need to be drained of water
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy
Galil was never a good rifle to begin with. From your list I will ONLY accept a G36 (as a valid conteder. AR has clear advantage as an upgradable system, where with an AK-you're pretty much stuck (some mounts can help though). Still, it's a weapon that will save your ass anywhere and it's durability and reliability is unrivaled. Serbian SAJ uses AK's from Zastava (e.g. for your GROM example) - doesn't proove anything since it'a a personal preference at best.
HondaMugen81 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 Have you ever shot an AR? I have shot plenty of both AK and AR. Both full and semi auto. I have had one malfunction with each. Point is your facts are wrong and warped. The AR is more expensive, but if you spend the money you get the professionals weapon. Not the little boys weapon in Africa or the Middle East. It's a great design but it is over-rated. Then again I bet you think a weapon mounted light is useless so I might be wasting my time.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
@Musashiprodigy
No, I didn't shoot from an AR, but yes, a lot from AK, My point is simple, AK is a prooven design that will work ANYTIME and ANYWHERE under any coditions. Simply put, personaly I do NOT want to put my life on a line having a "professional" weapon that can malfunction. Until an AR prooves itself, for me the story is over. Ok, you have some valid points, but then again so do I.
HondaMugen81 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81
Trust me, I've seen some fucking hardocre abuse of AK's in Bosnia (one guy had his ak submerged in a liquid mud - you know, swamp like sticky crap), he got his ak out, put the stock on the stone and cocked the rifle with his boot, picked it up and did a burst (no failure). Am sorry, I'm not saying AR is bad, am claiming that Ak is more reliable stystem and I need yet to see a rifle that can compare. For my money, H&K G36 is maybe the best conteder to rival AK.
HondaMugen81 1 month ago
@HondaMugen81 No doubt the AK can handle alot. And yes I've seen American special forces with AKs occasionally. But you have to understand the AK is not as capable as an AR. In combat zones you might have to shoot someone who is only exposing their head and gun at over 500 meters. The AK-47 is just not up for that. There have been more than one occasion where insurgents have been outgunned by AR wielding soldiers, just because of accuracy and softer/faster shooting.
Musashiprodigy 1 month ago
so many yanks sooking coz their beloved m4 has been shat on yet again
gibbzyoicu812 2 months ago
The 416 was obviously designed for special operations. The main focus of this weapon system is it's flexibility in amphibious environments. I agree totally with TheVert1276. We can't discard the fact that most military operations for standard infantry has been executed in desert terrain, where the DI would most likely out shine the 416.
WaltzingCapote 2 months ago
nice suit fag
TheFoxdie117 2 months ago
Love this video. Just goes to prove that the crap that we use in America truly sucks. We should be using the HK 416 and the SCAR H or L. Get rid of the M4 and M16s, get rid of the crapy Glocks and use better guns!
GymFlurt25 2 months ago
@GymFlurt25 As much as I dislike them, crappy Glocks? You clearly have NO fucking idea what you are talking about. I hate glocks. A lot. They are ugly as fuck, but they are incredible handguns.
SUP3RZ0MB1E 1 month ago
1:08 yeah yeah yeah ... aww -.-
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All the US needs to do, is to replace the front reciver and the m4's good to go, the US does not have to buy the m416 in its entirity
laughs2hard456 2 months ago
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laughs2hard456 2 months ago
@MirZZi...but because we have the best weaponry. do you think my superiors would send me into battle with anything less than the best? negative. im not trying to downgrade germany or anything like that, i think every country has the potential to be the best. but, fortunately, the united states its the best in my lifetime. DELTA COMPANY 313 3RD ID INFANTRY DIVISION
russiaCANT 2 months ago
@MirZZi ...no dude, im not saying we invented the assault rifle. nor did germany, thats a whole different argument in itself. BUT, look at america man...look at our airforce..everybody wants our f-15s and f-16s and f-16s are going on 30 years old if not older. i like some of europes concepts with their assault rifles by downsizing them and putting the barrel inside the actual weapon. nobody can fuck with us, the US is the best country in the world, not ONLY because we have the best soldiers
russiaCANT 2 months ago
Bet the Koi in that pond were pissed. HK is my perferred choice hands down.
chparatrooper88 2 months ago
You need to do one on hk416 vs cm901 its colts newest enhanced version of the m4 and kinda looks like the hk416
DEWFLU 2 months ago
i'm just more and more amazed by the hk 416, the scar series, and the acr...amazing carbines.
pjmack79 2 months ago
I love Germans have techno music in their commericals
hendrix77777 2 months ago
Amazing.
Marines and Seals have been using M4/M16 type weapons straight out of the water for years.
Nothing like an honest independent review.
dawnmarko1 2 months ago
@dawnmarko1 you're retarded, they use specialized weapons that withstand the water
mofotommygun 2 months ago
@mofotommygun
Nice job providing some proof to back up your statement on those "specialized weapons"
You probably think the video was done in an honest fashion too.
dawnmarko1 2 months ago
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the HK mr556 is way over priced. It is another over-hyped piston AR. It is not ergonomic, it's way too front heavy. It uses proprietary parts. Putting the HK logo on the side automatically drives the cost up 20%. I have a Noveske AR that is perfectly balanced and will shoot circles around a HK mr556.
Sherpaful 2 months ago
lol the song playing is a techno remix of the theme from the german film das boot
Jdshald 2 months ago
The HK416 is a good weapon, but it is among other things prone to freezing in subzero temperatures due to the bolt not heating up when fireing.
Terxify 2 months ago
@Terxify that is pretty damn ironic considering one of the main selling points of this weapon is how cool it stays
Acm1ptete 2 months ago
this vid was proven to be wrong a while back
TOUGHTRAIL 2 months ago
germans have:
the best guns,
the best tank in the world
the best military forces
in conclusion they are still the best military nation
kimskis 2 months ago
@kimskis actually america has the best airforce and navy and i have pride in our army actually we have the best tank (abrams) we have barret 50 cal soo and U.S forces use hk416
MrFretShredder96 2 months ago