Are All of Us Potential Abu Ghraib Guards?

[justforwatchingcraps]

i love science

[charleswastaken]

i 2nd that!

[SleepingGiantsSister]

That's why I never went into any career like military or medical, I can't feel like I have control over someone elses life. My Grandma's boyfriend who recently passed was a German in ww2 and he told me,"We did what we were told to do, if we didn't we would have been killed." His ship was scuttled and he went into a concentration camp in Europe and was later transferred to Canadian concentration camp. He said Canadians were much less brutal. Anyone in power is still human and can mislead.

[hyperseauton]

She's hot!

[MANOIDEAS]

Did any of you come to the same conclusion as me , that she is one smoking hot brainiac ? Methinks I should take time to be the ape that I am and ponder biology

[hancho17]

i think she made a great point. we can point the finger at the soldiers all we want and wash our hands clean of this incident, but the problem is that we are not actually addressing the real issue.

[jrkidd3]

If I understand her right she is saying that the situation at Abu Gharib was such that what the soldiers who striped men naked and threatened them by means of a woman with a vicious dog did what they did because under the prolonged circunstances they endured they no longer had the ability to decide what to do or not do based on their personal characters. I wonder how this squares with the survivors of NAZI pow camps of WWII" Read "Mans Search For Meaning" by Victor Frankl I he might disagree

[bluebeard2]

Her reasoning implies that the Hague trial of Nazis was a gross miscarriage of justice.

She's probably right too.

[NicolaRedwooddforest]

@jrkidd3 Yes, good argument. Well said. You are right but she is right, too. You are right, because we can not make justifications for violent criminals. She is right, because from a scientific perspective one can look at the executioners as being pushed into certain action. But I side with you on your argument, because the tests done by Dr. Stanley Milgram and Dr. Phillipp Zimbardo at Berkeley in the sixties revealed extremely low moral reasoning and low moral reasoning is not acceptable.

[jrkidd3]

Sorry, Hancho, my previous comment was not intended as a response or reply to you directly, I guess I clicked on the wrong link, It was intended as a general comment.

[foamulator]

Frankly, I wouldn't have a problem putting underwear on the head of a islamic maniac. If you ivory tower idealists ever had seen the horrific abomonations they perform on their own people and others, you would not call such a thing torture, much less condemn the use of fear.

[lmjenki]

This seems to be a question of an individual's ability to rise above the desire to conform. I would be very curious to see any follow up studies that might have determined if the 35% of the population who wouldn't go along had a higher incidence of individualistic tendencies. It reminds me of a similar scenario where there is an accident and a small percentage of the bystanders are actively assisting the victims while the vast majority of the bystanders are standing passively watching.