Guarder Infinite Torque Up Motor

[TheVdog12]

Lol my g36 sounds bout three times as fast stock motor on a 9.6 lol but still u got a quality gun man good for u

[ShifflerBros]

hahaha who gives a SHIT! It's my gun hahaha I Love it man!!! and great vid. I know what motor i am getting for my G4-A1 now. Thanks!

[AirsoftShizsAndGigs]

That's how fast my Tokyo marui m16 shot with an eg 1000 motor at 400 fps

[SuperFireworks100]

How did you wire your battery to the back?

[TheDeadlyWinner]

is the gearbox stock ?



[gamer4567]

nice trigger response

[andromedarr]

And for a change, a question for the Uploader of this Vid: Did you break your Motor in?

[MG42able]

i have installed the guarder torque up motor and the m120 spring in my JG G36c, it has low rate of fire

[andromedarr]

Hey, does this Motor consume a lot of Energy? How Many shots can you shoot whith you battery (which battery btw?)?

[MG42able]

if we change the motor of an airsoft gun, should we change the other parts of the gun? like the gearset or what? Nice vid!

[InvokeZero]

ROFL @ 0:31 - no truer words have ever been said in the airsoft world!

[haronasi]

Systema Turbo & Magnum suck, they have a design flaw. The light anodizing is the only thing keeping it from short-circuiting. and the anodizing wears @ use. I've seen more than 5 systema magnums cut off because of this. Guys. DO NOT BUY SYSTEMA MOTORS. Guarder INFINITE TORGUE UP = BETTER THAN SYSTEMA MAGNUM, and also way cheaper. I wouldn't pay $80 of a motor that isn't durable.

[andromedarr]

@haronasi There is a very simple way to bypass shot cicuiting on that Systema Motor. And if you do, it has better torque and ROF. Also it stays cooler. BTW, does the Systema Energy have the same design flaw?

[haronasi]

@andromedarr Tbh I don't know, but I've heard a rumor that they have fixed that problem on Energy- series and the new A to Z motor. The SC- problem on the magnums was just a design flaw, And they've learn't from it and now it's hard to find a better motor than theirs. But there's 1 motor that can challenge systema quite easilly, the G&P Devil Jet M170. Just installed one in my M4, ~40$ wasn't bad for a motor that doubletaps on semi, Running on stantard ratio gears and 9,6V 1700mAh NiCd =)

[andromedarr]

@haronasi K, how's the Power consumption? What do you think is the best compromise of HighTorque (Low time until the first shot breaks) and Power consumption. Lookin around for that motor for months now to build my new gun

[haronasi]

@andromedarr

I would really recommend the G&P M170, I've used that beast on my 1J m4 and it clocks in at 25rp/s. My regular 9,6v 1700mAh large type battery lasts a whole day (7Hrs of gameplay, 25min games /w 50min spent on eatingbreaks and reloading mags etc. Haven't got a meter to see what the motor takes, but seemly not alot, I had worse consumption on my CA High torg. motor

[andromedarr]

@haronasi Hm.....fuck.... i found out that the M170 Devil Jet is only available as a LongType...for my V3 i need a short type Motor -.-

[haronasi]

@andromedarr As in short, I'd suggest heavily the Guarder infinite torg. Works well, I've seen only one of them break, and it was cause a manufacturing flaw. I've ran my G36 DMR on 2,2Joules with the same motor with a 0,07second fire response on semi=)

[andromedarr]

@haronasi Ok, cool :) My system will be: Ares V3 Shell, Helical Gears, No ARL (bcs AB MOSFET) Bravo MOSFET, AIM TOP Piston (swiss cheesed), M100 Spring, and Prometheus Cylinderassembly :) I'm just searchin for low response time (semi-automatic Guns are the law in Germany, where i live). Thank you for your help :)

[haronasi]

@andromedarr ^^. No prob' mate =). We're all here to help =). And that setup rocks, except that I personally would swap the helical gears to a set of normals, They cause sideways stress on the gears, therefore also the bearings will get a share of the load. If you're running ball bearings with helicals, I'd quarantee a breakdown in a month. Personally I'd recommend Classic army stock gears. They are cheap, durable, and they are extremely versatile aswell.

[andromedarr]

@haronasi Ok, didnt know that Oh, and one last question: I'm planning to use a LiFePo Battery in there (because of the increased lifetime over NiMh and increased durability over LiPo) but i cant find higher Capacitys than 1500 mAh, that woul fit my G36. Do you think i can play 48h MilSim Games (i need around 600-1500 BBs for that) with the Setup Below (but your recommendation of Gears) and Guarder Infinite Torque, with a 1500 mAh LiFePo 12.8V? And of course, the battery hooked Up to the MOSFET

[haronasi]

@andromedarr I would say easilly, I fire about ~5000 rounds each day I'm at gaming (With the 9,6v 1700mAh battery), and I mostly fire semi. So yea, I think it's possible to run a day or two with that battery =). Ofcourse the outside temperature affects it's time to keep it's loadability (is it a word?), At +15'C or higher it shouldn't be a problem to play a few days =).

[andromedarr]

@haronasi Cool :) I think LiFePo4s are'nt influenced by Temperature, NiMhs are^^ But again, thank you for the Help, and have a nice day :D

[Jperezo311]

damn, nice. yea they should make a brushless set up, but then thats just adding on to more stress on the internals.

[purplehazenils]

@TheShanezzzz Just need to find space for the esc :)

[DeltaWinters88]

@TheShanezzzz mmmmm that brushless motor doesn't have too much torque though so lol you would have a hella long start up time xD

[iTouchiPods123]

did you do any upgrades to the gun besides the motor

[iTouchiPods123]

what kind of internals do you have

[dirt657]

LOL, my buddy and I were talking about that today!

[dirt657]

magnum is much better I have one no offense

[usmcsniper92]

No doubt...full auto is so much quicker w/ a magnum

[iTouchiPods123]

hey what kind of gun do you have and did it come with polymer handguards or is the rail system stock or after market?

[airsoftpunk666]

uhm i like it where can i buy one??

[y0mam89]

@TheShanezzzz

haha i agree, they need to make a brushless motor

[delleh1222]

@y0mam89 They have made 1.. but it's still to big to get in the grip (:

[bigtimex7]

you should probably refire a semi shot after going full auto to reset the spring so its not bunched up creating a less tense spring, leadeing to lower FPS. great vid

[y0mam89]

@bigtimex7

thanks, I always do that after I fire full auto to decompress the spring.

[andromedarr]

@bigtimex7 If you dont have an Active Breaking MOSFET, the Spring will still be undern tension after firing semi, especially with a High Torque Motor like that.

[AirSoftProtocall]

what gun  is that?

[dirt657]

Lol, your name is airsoft protocol and you don't know that's a classoc army m4!!!!

[AirSoftProtocall]

does not look like there m4 is the stock new?

[dirt657]

what, you should reword that. Anyway it is obviously an m4

[AirSoftProtocall]

no shit its an m4 its not like i have fucking superpowers and can read the owners manual!

[INVALID117]

you cant even spell classic army dumbass. LMAO

[dirt657]

I know how to spell Classic Army, its just that I type fast and sometimes I make mistakes I.E. the o is right next to the i.

[Mikeandwendy74]

Nice motor, good rate of fire, I would slap a m150 spring in it.

[airsoftrocky]

what acog do you have on there?

[y0mam89]

the red dot one. I also have the other one that magnifies.

[ILovePencilTricks]

wont u need to upgrade the mag 2

[joeddamage1]

No, why would he need to?

[masicklazik]

NICE SHIT ! :D

[liferox95]

dry fireing isn\t bad if you shoot whit semi when you done so it releases the spring

[BeAwsum]

Dry fireing isn't terrible for a airsoft gun not good, but not terrible. Dry fireing is only truely bad for read guns.

[liquidmeat55]

wow that is good torque. NICE semi, full auto is not bad, but thats the trade off torque or speed.

[thefoshizle]

in terms of rate of fire probably systema magnum is still faster just by a little but in TORQUE the systema magnum is by far the best motor. high speed motor just kills every other motor. but i really like the motor i used to have it in my mp5 but now i have a m4 with a systema magum

[ultimatevideowatcher]

What spring are you pulling with that motor? Stock or upgraded?

[y0mam89]

upgraded, m120.

[bmil69]

Jesus christ, thats an awesome ROF with an M120. Any shearing on the gear set?

[y0mam89]

nope, gearbox still works great!

[xGreatAlexander]

I wanna buy a gun like this... Can u send me a message from when i can buy them and the price? Btw nice vid mate :)

[Wang4free]

sexy

[brett123hall]

nice video, that gun is sick.

[Mountain117]

get a msofet AB :P

[randomnumber41]

nice motor, may have to get one if they're only $50. Also, where's the proof that dry-firing the gun is bad? how would 1/5 of a gram of mass change ANYTHING in the gearbox? always been curious about that

[y0mam89]

yeah me too...thats what i also dont get. back in the days everyone told me it was bad but i never knew why. Whatever, I dry fire my guns all the time haha

[ethalox]

Dry firering is not bad for the gun xD

[xIRAxFiveSeven]

Not a bad video, but I don't find it to be very "out of the ordinary". That's the same RoF I get out of my CA CQB-R and PMC using a 9.6 crane.

[y0mam89]

yeah airsoft guns these days come with high speed/ high torque motors. at the time, this motor was a big jump from the garbage motor CA had in their gearboxes. this gun is almost 3 years old.

[xIRAxFiveSeven]

A lot of the guys I play with have 'gucci gear'. A lot of 'em only run Systema. Ever since the AMP motors came out, a good amount of guys switched. Not too bad since they rival the Systema and are only half the price!

[Snipercross77]

dry firing is only really bad if you like hold down full auto.

[theCODYstrain]

the systema magnum is just a little bit faster, but overall great buy dude.

i'm so impressed, i'm thinking about getting this instead of the systema now.

thanks for posting this.

[y0mam89]

thanks for watching.

[Personist1156]

isnt systema motors plagued with problems and same thing with guarder? I heard systema motors burn out because they have a design flaw while guarder motors burn out cuz of qc issues. I would go with a g&p m160

[SnipedAirsoft]

Try a Lipo, That will increase it by a 10th fold.

[dcidrumfi]

i hate how people assume dry firing will hurt your gun which is untrue cause its the same as if having bb's in. other than your hop-up bucking taking a break

[y0mam89]

haha yeah I hate it too. I dry fire all the time.

[Evanespant]

kinda of true. dryfiring puts back pressure on the gearbox because there is no bb to hit and it will also rip ur bucking and spacers in the hop up

[Iceyclamp]

no pellet is ever hit. I work in a spec shop and specialize on gearboxes the gearbox never even touches the pellet.

the pellet is loaded from the mag into a T shaped fitting which has the air come through one angle and the pellet come up though the bottom into the barrel. <- direction of air

barrel____ o ___Gearbox T mag

it actually relieves stress moron :D

nice gun i got my JG s system systema turbo right here with me :D ill post a vid soon!

[Evanespant]

ok not the gbox ouches but the air nozzle does touch it

[josh0742]

wait waht gun is that is it a m4 dboys casv

[y0mam89]

8.4v will work. fps is around 350.

[bbgunhevern]

would a 8.4v work and wats the fps on that

[OSU5312]

would this be a good motor for an m110?

[y0mam89]

yes

[HungAzn]

what gears are you using? standard ratio gears?

[y0mam89]

yes.

[triviumfan07]

if I got the 9.6v batter and the motor wouldn't it eventually fry the piston?

or if yours still working fine?

[y0mam89]

it still works fine.

[pilerheritage]

I don't think you can fry a piston..

You can strip a piston though.

The only way to fry a piston is over a stove, on a medium flame.

[harryisdumb]

what spring

[y0mam89]

m120

[harryisdumb]

thats a good rof...i gota lipo in mine :)

[mafiamutt987]

its gud but not as good as the systema

[theturpinator]

yah but his gun with all that stuff including that motor was prolly 1/3 the price of a systema....

[OSU5312]

about half of the systema magnums($95)but the super torque up motors are only 75$

[airsoftboy14]

would you recomend thr high speed or your motor?

[jarediscoolio]

so, if I got a 9.6 battery, A gaurder infinite torque up motor, and a m120 spring, I could shoot with that same amount of rof and fps as you??

If not, please correct me with what internal upgrades you did. thanks.

[y0mam89]

yes, you don't even need to change the spring. all you need is a 9.6v battery and guarder motor.

[adult159]

shouldn't it be under M120 tho?

[panzerkilla]

nice! can you make a vid on how to put on and take off the ris!

[noobynico]

is the gun all stock?

[y0mam89]

yes

[noobynico]

will this damage the gun in any way? and are the gears reinforced?

[y0mam89]

m120

[kidlaters]

sir.. is systema magnum motor has same rof to systema turbo motor? and can can turbo pull m170 without problem? pm me sir thx

[y0mam89]

for m170 springs the systema magnum is better

[ibanezkid07]

mmmm acog

[stfuBUDDY]

cymas new super tourque motors can compete with systemas, they can pull m130 no problem

[corkery12]

dude they are good, but NO WHERE near the magnums. Mine can pull my m150 on a 8.4v with NO lag. I have heard people pulling m170's on 8.4's. The only motor with more torque is the PowerEdgeUSA custom motor. Can't reach the same ROF as the Magnum but can pull a spring like there was no tomorrow on semi.

[Keifer48]

thats one sexy gun!!!!!!

[y0mam89]

thanks.

[armstrong911]

i have the vector arms mp5 and i need that cuse my rof is shit

[PV48Z]

what kind of gears are you using? and what brand of piston?

[y0mam89]

all stock.

[y0mam89]

totally.

[SupraTompan]

How many mAh on that battery?

After ive seen this video im going to order a Guarder motor, so much cheaper than the Systema Magnum.

[y0mam89]

3300 mah

[WildTaiko]

awsome rof

[y0mam89]

thanks

[crazyfoolo117]

yeh its good but its not realistic, im not flaming you so dont flame me, but i just like the realism more than...whatever

[voltot]

its classic army the whole gun is stock and its got a 9.6 3600 mah battery would it be fineee if u put that motor in

[y0mam89]

it will be fine.

[voltot]

hey so would this work in my g36c stock though or would i have to buy stuff to help make it work so its safe in my gun

[y0mam89]

what brand is the g36? if it has plastic bushings I recommend getting metal bushings but it doesn't matter.

[Dingusmaster792]

wow is the matrix magnum motor the same as this one? cuz i got an m120 and a 9.6v and my rof sucks but motor is alite. is there a difference between these motors?

[y0mam89]

i'm not sure if there is a difference between the motors.

[Dingusmaster792]

oh ok hey watch my m733 review on my channel and i show the rof. but do u have any special gears like torque-up gears?

[y0mam89]

you might want to try adjusting motor height thats all i can suggest. my gun is all stock except for a guarder motor and m120.

[Dingusmaster792]

thanx for the suggestion but even with me adjusting it. nothing has changed, i obviously got cheated out of a motor.

[zerosk8tr321]

dude dry firing is bad for your gun!!!!

rofl JKJK JK JK

[coolboy499]

I would Like to see a cranestock on that gun. Oh Yeah! Where did you buy that ACOG scope, and does it work good?

[y0mam89]

its pretty much a red dot scope so yeah it works good. i bought it from airsoft extreme but other places sell it cheaper.

[coolboy499]

Alright, I need to buy me one of those MOFOs.

[Dingusmaster792]

wut mah is ur batt cuz mine is only 1200 and it sux...really bad.

[y0mam89]

9.6v 3300mah

[bakhandbeatdown808]

That ROF isnt very fast. My TM Beta Spetsnaz shoots 40 RPS.

[Dingusmaster792]

u got a new spring in it?

[halorocks59]

so this would pull an m130 or something like a regular motor would an m120?

[gibsonexplorer512]

im using this on my mp5 marui and there is a bit of lag time but that is because im using a m120 spring.

[exmortiss]

lmao ''Who gives a shit!!'' nice.

[ozne62]

dude if you keep on dry firing like that your gun will surely break

[ghostrecon112]

xD who gives a shit hehehe

[rabz777]

How does anyone thingk CA is ok. And why dont you just put in some bbs instead of dry firing.....haa.Cant compare anything to CA.

[kotsteph]

How about G&G and G&P? Both are better IMO than CA, especially considering G&G offers packages like an M4-RAS and M16A4 (with correct current M5 RAS handguard) for $360, as opposed to the $450 CA SPR, as well as firing hotter (340-360 compared to 300-320).

[rabz777]

No way, I live in Taiwan and my mates have worked for G&G, the workers are the real deal but the stuff you buy is all way too expensive and not worth it@!! Fuck G&G!! G&P is way better 10 times better than G&G!!!And G&G rip off everyone and treat you bad! ZGo go any other than g&G, but their Ak hops are good! ok? yea!

[kotsteph]

I think the $15 VFG costs more than his "airsoft gun".

Do you mainly use semi-auto or full?

If you want some crazy ROF rewire to 18gauge with a mosfet and get an 11.1v Lipo. You'd be tearing 25-30 rps.

[y0mam89]

I mostly use full auto. Thanks for the tip, I'll try that the next time I open up my gearbox.

[Petzlfan]

if you want crazy rof, go with an inline vortex co2 gun, 40+ bps

but my CA m15a4 is the same rof with the stock motor and a 9.6v

lipos are really nice, but the dangers and expense that come with them isnt worth it for me.

[tooth2824]

does this motor make the gun quit a bit louder?

[gibsonexplorer512]

yes. i own the motor and it makes a very high pitched whine sound.

[xXOneShot9mmXx]

Don't forget some deans connectors they add 1 or 2 rps and they will last a lot longer than the tamiyas

[btwman129]

Where did you get that handle? For every airsoft gun I buy it never gets a handle cuz i get lots of recoil...

[y0mam89]

airsoft extreme sells them for $15

[kurowpmc]

Who gives a S**t, it's MY gun. That is awesome!

[bestmxer01]

hahaha ferreal

[bloooooodyfire35]

that acog is a red croos right? because i wanna get a aocg fo m4

[y0mam89]

yeah there is a small red cross in the middle of the sight. It's a fun sight and it'll do its job.

[dcxSpartan117]

sweet video im am actually getting the systema magnum motor and fully upgrading my ca g36c gearbox with guarder parts hope it turns out as good as ur gun

[y0mam89]

awesome choice, the magnum motor will certainly put a smile on your face.

[dcxSpartan117]

after seeing this video i was already smiling lol

[dcxSpartan117]

i think the magnum is better than the turbo because they say its specifically tuned for both high speed and high torque

[hautala88]

did you need to upgrade anything else when you got that motor, or could someone install just that motor and not screw up the internals? thanks

[y0mam89]

you could just install the motor without changing anything else.

[hautala88]

sweet, thanks for the info

[bobuatu]

how did u get the wiring to come out the back

[y0mam89]

buy tamiya large connectors (male and female) and take apart your gun. instead of having the wire come out the front, pull it to the back, there are some grooves for it to fit in. I also had to cut the plastic adjustable stock shim for the wires to go through.

[bestmxer01]

you have the same battery pouch that i have :D i love it . i put a 8.4 4200 in it! it just barley fir. but i would rather have that then have a peq box on the ris, ya know? ahha

[y0mam89]

yeah i would rather have a peq box too :P

[bestmxer01]

yeahh i got a mauri m4 w/ a metal body on on some website i found a CA for 190! so im gettin that. and its an armorlite metal body. then im upgrading it. but, nice gun. :D

[bobuatu]

yeA but m15a4 carbine, tactical, spc,

[y0mam89]

M15A4 carbine with aftermarket R.I.S.

[bobuatu]

which model classic army is it?

[y0mam89]

ca m15a4

[SNiPeZzzzZzz]

awesome!!!