Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian may be the real Mehdi. He spent his life to prove his legitimacy. He could do virtually nothing. Every Mehdi will meet the same fate. HMGAQ was rather in better position. Other Mehdis were misbehaved and humiliated. One Mehdi from Qila Gujjjar Sing Lahore, Pakistan was badly beaten by police. May be he still detained.
Mehdi is invention of sinister hadis. It has no scriptural license..
@reasonlight : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did GREAT Things!
1) He (as) Broke the cross by PROVING that Jesus (as) died & buried like ALL other human
2) He (as) revived the True spirit of Islam at the time when Mullahs have made it bunch of Fairy Tales & Some Barbaric doctrines
3) He (as) revived the True concept of Allah & Tahuheed at the time when Allah of Mullahs was a LIMITED Physical being to Whom a physical journey of Humam was attributed.
@dawah2 the ar you??? nominating a person as mehdi who deosnt even fulfil the basic requirements, let alone his personal character. go and search his life and his books before tryina defend him..
@haider0102 : I have not nominated nor I could nominate anyone as appointed one by Allah. Only Allah nominate someone as His appointed one & he announce that nomination. And IF SOMEONE FALSELY MAKE SUCH CLAIM THEN HE IS KILLED & MISSION IS DESTROYED. This is the sign which distinguish True Prophets from the Fake Prophets.
Do u knnow that EVEN YOU MULLAHS ADMIT that ALL THE SINGS OF MAHDI R FULFILLED? Proof: youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY
@haider0102 : Remember! that ALL false claimants of Mahdi Killed & their missions destroyed. This is the time when as per your own Mullahs ALL THE SIGNS OF IMAM MAHDI HAVE BEEN FULFILLED! So, where is the Mahdi?
Can u deny that even your own Mullahs are admitting that AL the Signs of Mahdi have been fulfilled? Watch this & come-up with Proofs IF U CAN. {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
@dawah2 i ve seent that .. now that all signs are fulfilled, lemmi ask u a straight question, and for God's sake plz answer straight rather then ur regular beating abt the bush. if today a person claims to be mehdi, will u accept him just bcoz all the signs are fulfilled
@haider0102 : The one who was 2 come as Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi has come. ALL signs about Imam Mahdi have been fulfilled. Promised Messiah in Islam has broke the cross by Proving from Bible/history that Jesus survived crucifixion & later died & BURIES here on earth.
He has established a worldwide movement which is flourishing & expanding despite ALL possible cruelties & persecutions by the 72 deviant sects. Now what else anyone want? Remember! No one is EVER going to come FLYING from sky
@haider0102 : Read the names of 72 sects present at the time of Promised Messiah (as) at real-islam org. Today there are even many more sects than 73.
@haider0102 : In this limited space ALL the 73 sects at the time of Promised Messiah (as) can not be written. This is the reason that I gave you the website containing the list of ALL the 73 sects.
@haider0102 : Alhamdulillah I have accepted Imam Mahdi & left Mullah's brand of FAKE Islam after reading the books of Founder of "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam". Watch with your own eyes that EVEN SEVERE OPPONENTS & MULLAHS are compelled by Allah in LIVE TV shows that Hadhrat Ahmad (as) was GREAT Fighter of Islam & that he was Great Saint. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck}
@dawah2 i dont have to watch that.i noe what they said. and i ve been in dr israr's company and i noe what his view was. and i have seen that light, in fact i ve been offered with that light. its such a unique light with strange characteristics. so im not to be witched by this light.
@haider0102 : So, you are NOT ready to see!! Your condition is expressed in Quran as "Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in God's plan. But most of them ignore (the truth)." 6:112
@haider0102 : Oh I see!! Believing that Human live, die & bury here on earth is illogical & childish while believing that Jesus Physically ascended to Allah & is living there without eating food for thousands of years & that he will return physically FLYING BODILY from sky & at the age of 2,000+ years will marry a girl of 20+ & yet defeating ALL super powers is Logical & Mature thought!!
@dawah2 well did i miss smthng. i guess it was u who was desperate to bring all the m iracles under his own brilliant logic and not me. so kindly stick to ur point instead of hopping in a circle
@haider0102 : I do not believe that Allah is like a magician. Allah has fixed the laws of nature & we see that they NEVER change. Quran also says that YOU WILL NEVER SEE A CHANGE IN THE WAYS OF ALLAH i.e The Laws of Nature.
@haider0102 : Prophet Yunus (as) remained in the belly of the fish ONLY for few hours. As per Bible it was 36 hrs. But it could be only an hour or even less. Since he was swallowed as whole thus the fish vomit him out quite early. NO MAGIC NOTHING. Just due to PERFECT Laws of Nature.
Remember! that ONLY weak & Stupid change their own made laws.
@dawah2 huh...i guess u were the desperate one trying to bring all the miracles under ur brilliant logic. now kindly dont change sides and stick to ur point.... and its very funny when a guy who believe in miraculous birth written and wikipedia , and still blaming others to be childish... what a shame
who told you that the ropes became snakes.it says it looked like snakes and it was a magic indeed. as for the stick of moses, again if u ever had a chance to read quran, you wouldnt be saying that... 7:107 and 26:32 explains it all... i dont call wuran a book of magic, its a book of realities. and allah can do things that we cant understand, and that too is a reality.
@haider0102 : Allah has made this universe on the Principal of Cause & effect. All the scientific advancement is a result of Cause to every effect. In Quran Allah says that "THERE CAN BE NEVER A CHANGE IN HIS WAYS i.e LAWS OF NATURE".
@dawah2 if you are gnna take ur logic and science as a standard... than will you plz go and read some scientific research by few athiest.... they say , on the basis of their scientific knowledge, that there is nothing such as a creator... so tell me, are u on their side???
@haider0102 : We are rational believers & thus ONLY Nobel laureate scientist among entire Muslim world is an Ahmadi Muslim. (Dr. Abdus Salam). If we were also be living in Myths & Fairy tales then our scholars would also be like your STUPID Mullahs.
@haider0102 : Dr. Abus Salam is the ONLY Muslim scientist who won NOBEL PRIZE in Physics & he was Ahmadi Muslim. " Nobel laureate" is a term applied to such great people who won Nobel Prize.
swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just Ruler; so (he) will break the 'cross', kill swine and prohibit war!
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, No. 668, Book of Prophets, P. 490)
now how about you look for those signs in mirza ghulam ahmad
@haider0102 : Prophet (saw) also foretold that "Time will come when 72 sects of Muslims exactly resemble the Jews" {Tirmadhdi Kitabul-Fitan}. Do u know that Jews were also told about Return of an OLD Prophet i.e Elijah? {Malachi 4:5-6}. Isn't true that Jews also took these Prophecies literally & rejected/rejecting Jesus - saying that IF u r a True Messiah then why Elijah has not returned? Isn't true that it was Jesus himself who said that John has come as Elijah? {Mathew 17:10-13}
@haider0102 : Do u mean that Tirmadhi is not among six books of Authentic Ahadith? Can u or your Mullahs throw Tairamdi out from six books of authentic Ahadith? What are you talking about. U people r living in Childish Stories & myths like some human bodily flying to Allah & then returning at the age of 2,000+ years & getting marry a girl of 20+ & yet defeating world super powers!! Whereas Quran clearly says that too old people are reverted back to weak state of creation. {Al-quran 36:68}
@dawah2 well i have told you numerous times that if a sahih from bukhari or muslim is present, than you cant take any contradicting hadith from other books. if you have so much grudges against scholars , you must make yourself able to read and interpret ahadith. its not just smthn of your own choice.
@haider0102 : Brother, it is you who do not accept Truth. Can u deny that Bukhari also clearly tells that the Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw in Miraj alingwith all the passed away Prophets is different from the Issa to come in the Ummah? Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=ClkT40VSuaQ}
@dawah2 instead of watching those proofs where ppl make quran and hadith according to their own opinion, why dont u go directly for the book . its crystal clear out there. only if you want to see. if you close ur eyes to the truth and measure every hadith with ur selective thinking rod, u never gnna see the truth. i have given you more than enough references, and you are hust moving in a circle.
@haider0102 : Actually people, specially children (& childish minded people) love Myths & fairy tales. Quran as well as authentic Ahadith clearly says that
1) Allah is everywhere - so in which physical directional will one move to attain nearness to Allah
2) Miraj was spiritual vision
BUT those who love to live in myths & fairy tales rejects all the facts.
@haider0102 : The Messiah in Islam was to BREAK the cross i.e to PROVE Christianity WRONG. Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did break the cross & kill the swine i.e Proved Christanity WRONG by Proving from their own books that Jesus survived crucifixion & later died & buried like all other human. PROOF {youtube.com/watch?v=Z82HtPesFxc}
Even opponent Mullahs admit that Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian Defeated Christianity. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck}
@dawah2 did u miss the jizya (tax on non muslims) being terminated
and i dont need proof that tries to say anything against what my beloved prophet (SAW) said.nd just bcoz he fought aganist christians,he becomes messiah. then what would you say about all those ppl in sub-continent that fought against christians, how about salahudin ayubi, how abt dr naik.
@haider0102 : Ahadith of Bukhari also says that Promised Messiah will suspend religious wars. Some also says that there will be no Jizya at his time. Both of these signs are fulfilled. Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did FORBID fighting in the name of Religion & there is NO jizya system any-more in the world.
All the Muslim sufferings are due to not obeying the Promised Messiah & keeping on fighting religious wars by the 72 sects.
@dawah2 o boy. it clearly says that he will terminate jizya... so if the people of today are fighting, where is that peace we have been promised. the words of my beloved prophet (SAW) can never ever be false...
@haider0102 : Do u know that Mullahs have changed & corrupted Ahadith? Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=ClkT40VSuaQ}. IF I SHOW U ORIGINAL ARABIC BUKHARI SAYING THAT PROMISED MESSIAH WILL SUSPEND RELIGIOUS FIGHTING THEN WILL U CURSE ON MULLAHS OR NOT?
@dawah2 what di u think. i read some urdu or english version of sahih bikhari. why do u go brooding on mullahs everytime. how many times i have to tell you that you are not talkin to a mullah or whatever u may call that... but u just keep beeting around the bush..,. and i dont have any cure for that
@haider0102 : Do you know that it was our BELOVED Prophet (saw) who foretold that Mullahs belonging to 72 sects will be WORST CREATURE UNDER THE SKY? Watch Dr. Israr Ahmad admitting that this Hadith is authentic & have already fulfilled as Mullahs of this age are actually exactly like mentioned in this hadith. PROOF youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4
@dawah2 whats is wrong with u... dont u have anything else except beating about the bush... are we talking mullahs, or u a mullah or am i one... why on the earth are you just brooding....
@haider0102 : Those who are living in Myths & fairy tales in the name of Faith are Mullahs. Human doesn't FLY bodily to Allah nor they come back to this world. Those who believe Jesus (as) ascending bodily to Allah & about his return are Mullahs & alike. UNDERSTAND!!
@dawah2 so you want to say that nothing supernatural or miracle or anything that cant be explained by ur logic happens... ok . when kindly explain the birth of jesus
@haider0102 : Birth without male is NOT supernatural. Still there are species which give birth without male interaction. Some child are born with BOTH male & female systems. Thus scientifically birth within in such cases is possible.
Yes, miracles are there BUT these are NOT breaking of laws of nature. Allah miraculously saved Muhammad (saw) through web of spiders on the opening of the cave. It proves that miracles are through fixed laws of nature.
@dawah2 give me one single example in human where therez birth without male...... moreover, spider dont form their web in seconds, they take pretty long time .. also its pretty natural for fire to burn human body, but it didnt in case of prophet ibrahim (AS)... its natural that when u kill few birds , crush them together , then they stay pretty dead and don not go flying around... but again it happened when prophet ibrahim (AS) asked allah (SWT)...hope ye ppl can explain
@dawah2 if its the sri krishna then his father name was vasudeva and his mother was devaki. and if its sm1 from ur own dream world then maybe he was born without father. budha's father was a king named Śuddhodana,.
really?? u dont even noe abt the request of prophet ibrahim (AS). plz. go and read quran with open eyes before coming here and talking abt quran and sunna . but still its 02:260...
@haider0102 : Increase your knowledge! Krishna is believed to be virgin birth. Read "Miraculous_births" under wikipedia & you will know that there r many who r believed to be virgin birth. You are living in CHILDISH myths & fairy tales of Mullahs belonging to 72 deviant sects. Come to Truth. Come to Logic & rationality.
@dawah2 so qadiani sect doesnt have mullahs or scholors??? i have seen the one who explains about mehdi bringing justice to earth.... and anyone with a bit of a brains cant take it for few minutes coz he just keep giving out his own thoughts
@haider0102 : NO - we don't have those Mullahs about which Muhammad (saw) have said that THEY WILL BELONG TO 72 DEVIANT SECTS & WILL BE WORST AMONG CREATURES ON EARTH. PROOF {youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4}
@haider0102 : Yes I have read that Hadith & even I had discussed it in detail in my documentary SHOWING THAT HOW IT PROVES TRUTH OF AHMADIYYA. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}. Watch it & ask your own conscience that is there any way to scape?
@haider0102 : Mullahs including Zakir Naik are supporting Christianity by making Jesus ABOVE Human & believing that HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD NEVER DIED & RAISED UP TO GOD WHERE HE IS STILL ALIVE.
@dawah2 i cant do anything about your obssession dude.... i have already stated numerous ahadith which is above questions in term of authenticity....and its crystal clear now. believe what you want to... i dont have cure for your personal grudges and selective perceptions...
@haider0102 : You or Mullahs can NEVER deny that Prophet (saw) foretold that these WILL be 72 sects which will deviate from Truth & NOT THE ONE.
Didn't Prophet (saw) DECLARED that ALL THE SECTS EXCEPT ONLY ONE will be on the right path? Didn't Allah compelled Mullahs belonging to 72 sects to unanimously separate & distinguish ONE from the REST of 72?
Didn't Prophet (saw) termed the Mullahs, whom u r following, as WORST CREATURE on the earth? For Proof watch youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4
@dawah2 if we leave it up to your logic and intelligence , then what would you say about the gifts of moses, turning of his stick into snake, jesus being able to revive the dead, the maraj, all those are supernatural, arent they. or tell me, they are just stories by mullah and zakir naik.
@haider0102 : Read Holy Quran with OPEN eyes. Quran doesn't says that ropes or stick actually converted into snakes. Rather it says "Said Moses: "Throw ye (first)." So when they threw, they BEWITCHED THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE, and struck terror into them: for they showed a great (feat of) magic" 7:116
Similarly, Quran as well as Bukhari tells us that Miraj was SPIRITUAL VISION. (Read Quran 53:11 & Bukhari Book 93 # 608)
Please come out of Childish stories, MYTHS & fairy tales.
@dawah2 116 says about those magician, which indeed was bewitching. b ut did ye take some pain and move on to 117. it clearly says the word engulf.
as for 53:11, it says what prophet(SAW) , his heart didnt mix any lie with that...
what would u say abt 2:60 where moses struck his stick on a stone which burst into 12 springs. and did u miss the jesus being ablie to revive the dead
@haider0102 : Don't make Prophets as magicians & turn Holy Quran into a book of CHILDISH stories of عینک والا جن
Nowhere Quran says that Stick or ropes actually become snakes.
About Miraj Quran clearly says that Miraj was vision & Bukhari explains it as a THING SEEN WHILE SLEEPING. This Bukhari Book 93 # 608 ends at "On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet then WOKE while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca)." Can u or Mulah deny it??????
@dawah2 again taking things without reference and context.. . im so done with this habit...53:11 clearly states that prophet (SAW) saw those things with his eyes, . ever heard of seeing a dream with onesz eyes???
@haider0102 : I mentioned Bukhari with reference CLEALY STATING THAT "ON THAT GABRIAL SAID, "DESCEND IN ALLAH'S NAME". THE PROPHET THEN WOKE-UP WHILE HE WAS IN THE SACRED MOSQUE"
Your condition is well described in Holy Quran as "Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in God's plan. But most of them ignore (the truth)." 6:111
@dawah2 we are not discussing the spiritual or physical aspect of mairaj (which is a bit of dispute amongst scholors)... what i want to say is that miracle do happens and and its not necessarily to be explained by our logic....one cant explain the birth of jesus, or what happened to prophet younas (AS)...
@haider0102 : Miracles do happen BUT they are in-line with laws of nature. When our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw) was in danger then Allah saved him through Web of Spiders BUT WITHOUT BREAKING LAWS OF NATURE.
As per Quran & Sahaih Bukhari Miraj was SPIRITUAL VISION.
This Bukhari Book 93 # 608 ends at "On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet then WOKE while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca)." Can u or Mulah deny it??????
@haider0102 : It is Mullah's though that miracles are unnatural phenomenon. Otherwise Allah clearly says in Quran that 1) THERE CAN NEVER BE CHANGE IN HIS WAYS i.e LAWS OF NATURE.
@dawah2 , 02:260 where birds comes back to life. 21:69 where fire didnt consume prophet ibrahim(AS). go read the story of prophet younas (AS) prophet yousa (AS) , prophet jesus, prophet moses, . go and read quran completely ... i noe what u r gnna do. selsct these aya and find an explanation that satisfies ur ego and the so called light...
@haider0102 : "... `Take four birds and make them attached to thee. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste.' And know that ALLAH is Mighty and Wise." 2:260
2:260 doesn't say that Prophet Ibrahim turned the birds into pieces & then they returned to life.
Rather, Quran DECLARES IN CLEAR TERMS THAT ONCE GONE FROM THIS WORLD NO ONE CAN RETURN.
@dawah2 o man... do u read quran with ur eyes closed..couldnt u find the start of aya or maybe it wasnt fulfilling ur conditions... or do i have to explain evrything word by word.. its not a damned primary school
@haider0102 : Quran is NOT book of Children stories consisting of FOOLISH things & fairy tales. It doesn't say anything Stupid like DEAD RETURNING TO LIFE IN THIS WORLD. UNDERSTAND!!
@dawah2 then u may also say that being thrown in the fire and not burnt is stupid, u may also say that being engulfed by a giant fish and stayed therr for fourty days and then came out alive is stupid...
@haider0102 : Every Prophet & his initial followers are thrown in the fire of PERSECUTION - and yet Allah save them & flourish them. As is the case with Islam-Ahmadiyya.
Hadhrat Younus remained in the belly of Huge fish JUST for two nights & one day. Then the fish threw him out.
Do you know that a woman remained alive for 60 days in the rabbles of earth quake? This is not unnatural.
@dawah2 come off it kid...its natural for a fire to consume human flesh, and being the great scholar of quran as u are, u said there cannot be a change in ways of nature. now whyy..... there was no digestive enzymes acting on the lady under the rabbles. while prophet younas(AS) was subjected to those enzymes in whale's stomach.
@haider0102 : Kids are those who are living in Childish stories like Human FLYING Bodily to Allah & living there for thousands of years without taking food & then returning FLYING BODILY from Sky & getting marry a 20 years girl at the age of 2,000 years & then defeating the super powers.
@dawah2 and how comes i didnt get any reply for all the things i have mentioned. story of prophet ibrahim (AS) story of moses (AS) and story of younas (AS)... or im guessing ur brilliant scholors didnt come up with any "logical explanation"
@haider0102 : Come of of STORIES & FAIRY TALES. Prophets coming out of fire of persecution is a FACT & not story. Moses (as) passed the ocean while Fero drowned because of HIGH & LOW TIDE Phenomenon. It was miracle that Moses (as) crossed it at the time told to him by Allah when the tide was low. While Fero drowned because he attempted to cross it while the time of Low tide was over & high tide was approaching. These are realities & not CHILDISH STORIES.
@dawah2 why didnt the fire burn prophet ibrahim (AS) ???
as for ur theory of high and low tide, i noe where u have taken that from. did u forget to scroll down for details or u would have realized how absurd this theory is. its such a great coincidence that ur thoughts are exaclty like that of christians and jews, nd im not saying anything, just a tiny coincidence.. haha
@haider0102 : Because it was not PHYSICAL FIRE - rather it was a fore of persecution & opposition. Every Prophet is subjected to Fire of persecution & opposition & they come out of it victorious. Even Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was also thrown in that fire by the Mullahs belonging to 72 Hell Bound sects. But Fire could not harm him & today his mission is spread ALL over the world.
@dawah2 that is the most stupid thing ive ever heard in my life... go and read quran before opening ur mouth like that... deducting evrything from ur own logic... how pathetic is that..... im nt even gnna argue with u anymore. you are kinfa person abt whom quran tells that if u meet them, just tell them them good bye
@haider0102 : Oh I see. Taking things rationally is STUPID according to you. While believing that a Human Flew Bodily to Allah & is living there Bodily without eating food for thousands of years & that he will return FLYING Bodily & at the age of 2,000+ years will marry a girl of even less than 20 & defeating super powers at so OOOOOLD age is ABSOLUTE RATIONAL.
@haider0102 : All Prophets come to give spiritual life to spiritually dead people. There is NOTHING SPECIAL with Jesus (as) in this regard. If Jesus (as) brought back the DEAD to life then you have to accept that he was God. BECAUSE Quran DECLARES categorically that "Say, `Is there any of your associated-gods who originates creation and then reproduces it ?' Say, `It is ALLAH alone Who originates creation and then reproduces it. Wither then are you turned away ?'" 10:34
·"I do not claim that I am the same Mahdi who will come according to (words of Hadith) 'from the son of Fatima and from my progeny' etc." (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya V, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.356)
·"We admit this that several Mahdis may have come before and possibly will come in future as well and probably someone by the name of Imam Muhammad may also appear." (Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.379)
@haider0102 : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qaian was that Imam Mahdi who was to be Messiah as well. Prophet (saw) had foretold about various Mahdis. Among them was to be ONE Mahdi who was to be Issa/Messiah as well as mentioned in Abn-e-Majjah where it is written that "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA".
In Masnad-e-Ahmad it is stated that Prophet (saw) said that "Soon u will meet Issa as IMAM MAHDI".
@dawah2 well 1st of all anyone who know a little about hadith can tell you that the hadith from ibn e maja is zaeef and some scholors even classified as fabricated.
2ndly the word mehdi has been derived from hudaa which means guidance, so even if we take the aforesaid hadith as sahih, then its not "the mehdi" as its been clearly mentioned in sahih that his name will be muhammad ibn abdullah and he will be from progeny of hazrat fatima (RA).
@haider0102 : Will you declare Al-Quran as Zaeef as well? Because it says categorically that Prophets r Imams & that Whenever Prophets will come they will come from the people of the time & not flying bodily from Sky? "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles FROM AMONGST YOU, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" Al-Quran 7:35
@dawah2 i thought we were discussing whether or not mirza ghulam is the mahdi. why do you keep beating about the bush... you claim he was the mahdi, so kindly stick to the signs of imam mahdi and spend some time for searching those signs in mirza ghulam...
@haider0102 : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was not only the Imam Mahdi But he was also the Promised Messiah. Watch with your own eyes that even your own Mullahs are compelled to admit that ALL THE SIGNS OF THE IMAM MAHDI ARE FULFILLED & THAT HE WAS TO COME 125 YEARS AGO. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
@dawah2 just because the signs are fulfilled then i have to accept whosoever claims to be imam mehdi. no matter if he doesnt fulfil the conditions given in sahih ahadith.. dont ye think thats absurd..
as for the proof, i have watched the one ye gave me about filling the earth with peace. where that alleged scholor just recite on aya and then build whole new building of his own logic and thoughts....
@haider0102 : Remember that Quran tells distinguishing sign of False Prophets as that THEY ARE KILLED & THEIR MISSION DESTROYED. If Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was not true in his claim then his mission would Never have established around the globe.
Do u know that why Jews are still rejecting Jesus (as) as their Messiah? They are saying exactly same things about Jesus as u r doing for Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
@ahsanshahzad1980 : You are TOTALLY misinformed by the LIAR Mullahs. Alhamdulillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi Muslim. Although, I was born in a Sunni family, but was NEVER satisfied with Mullah's Brand of Barbaric & illogical Islam. Here is symbolic story of my conversion. {youtube.com/watch?v=c4d0wnaV3Bk}
@ahsanshahzad1980 : Today 72 sects unanimously declare Ahmadi Muslims as Kafir, Lanti etc, as IF they are True Muslims. BUT they forget that the VERDICT of our beloved Muhammad (saw) is TOTALLY OPPOSITE to it. He (saw) had DECLARED ALL the 72 sects opposing the ONE as Hell BOUND. So be happy on your Mullah's declaration. We are happy with Prophet's (saw) DECLARATION. UNDERSTAND!!
well lets say for a micro second for arguments sake that mirza ghulam was mehdi. but hez dead , isnt he. so where are the other signs, ruling for 7 years, filling the earth with peace, jesus offering his prayer behind him. have ye ppl ever considered that....
#1: Usually Allah tells about future events through dreams & visions & that these visions are Fulfilled in Metaphoric sense.
#2: If Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian is not the Promised Messiah & Mahdi then where is he? Becuse your ulemas ADMIT that ALL THE SIGNS OF MAHDI HAVE BEEN FULFILLED. Proof {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
#3: Didn't Jews ejected & r rejecting Jesus due to exactly same arguments? Proof {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
@dawah2 then you being aware of the original meanings, tell us. explain all the signs...7 years means months? earth means just a few kilometers??.. just coz imam mehdi hasnt appeared yet, so we have to accept whoever claims to be imam mehdi. couldnt ye reckon the absurdity of this statement.... and why do ye go searching for jesus everytime,arent we given with a religion that is perfects and complete
@haider0102 : As per Ahadith Imam Mahdi & Promised Messiah are ONE & the same person. Prophet (saw) said "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa" Ibn-e-Majja.
Remember! that Prophets bring Peace & Justice But only those benefit from it who accept them.
Yes, Islam is complete BUT yet Promised Messiah was to come because as per Ahadith the True understanding of Islam was to vanish.
@dawah2 hadith cant be taken without context, as they explain each other. the hadith mentioned above has been criticized regarding the narrators,there is another sahih nd one cant take a zaeef n prescence of sahih "it is reported from Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) who said, ‘Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘What will be your condition when the son of Maryam descends and your Imaam will be amongst you?” [Narrated in Bukhari in the chapter, Nuzoolu Isaa Bin Maryam]
@haider0102 : The Hadith of Bukhari doesn't say that Imam & Son of Marry will be two different persons. Rather, the True translation of this hadith is that "What will be your condition when son of Mary will descend among u as your Imam".
Quran also says that "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles FROM AMONGST YOU, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35
@dawah2 where have you taken that translation from.... your dreams??... listen, you have already decided that mirza ghulam was imam mehdi, and not you have selective perceptions. you will translate everything according to your own mind. so no discussions can be fruitful. and how many times should i tell you that you have to take quran and hadith as a whole. there are other numerous aya ad hadith where its crystal clear that no prophet or messenger is to come after Muhammad (SAW).
@haider0102 : The translation of Al-Quran 7:35 is from Yousuf Ali translation which is most famous non-Ahmadi translation of Quran on the Internet. Al-Quran 7:35 Clearly says that WHENEVER Messengers will come they will be from AMONG the people ofg that time & not FLYING BODILY FROM SKY.
Alhamdu-Lillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi-Muslim. Although I was born as Sunni but I was NEVER satisfied Mullahs brand of Islam comprising of Childish stories like humam Flying bodily to Allah.
@haider0102 : YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Our beloved Prophet (saw) had only forbidden a law bearing Prophet & not coming of Prophet at all. Thus he Himself had said that "There will be NO Prophet Between me & Issa & soon u will meet him" Abu-Dawood.
@haider0102 : How are you to snatch Prophet-hood from the Messiah who was to come in the ummah WHEN OUR BELOVED PROPHET (saw) TERM HIM AS PROPHET OF ALLAH? Can u deny that in ONE SINGLE Hadith of Muslim 4 TIMES Prophet (saw) termed the Issa to come as Prophet of Allah?
Can u deny that Prophet (saw) said that "THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET BETWEEN ME & ISSA TO COME"?
No one will EVER Physically descend from SKY. The one who was to come has come already.
@haider0102 : My translation of Hadith of Sahah Bukhari is not only grammatically correct but it is ALSO in-line with Quran which tells us that Prophets & Imams will ALWAYS BE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE TIME & WILL NEVER COME FLYING FROM SKY. "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35
@haider0102 : Didn't Prophet (saw) said that ""A time will come when NOTHING will remain of Islam except its NAME and NOTHING will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be full but void of guidance. Their divines (Mullahs) will be the worst creatures under the sky; all the evil will be emerged from them and will revert to them." {Mishkat Kitab-ul-Ilm}
Were 72 out of 73 sects were not to become HELL BOUND? {Tirmadhi}
@romzbella : First of ALL be informed that human come to this world ONLY once. Neither they are Reborn (Physically) nor they come back FLYING from SKY Bodily.
Secondly, be informed that you are attacking our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw) by declaring his SAYINGS as FUNNY!! It was Muhammad (saw) who stated in VERY CLEAR TERMS that "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT JESUS/ISSA" Ref. Ibn-e-Majja
Third be informed that ALL prophets of Allah are mocked like u are doing. Al-Quran 36:30
its tooo funny that imam mehdi and jesus II ( rebirth of jesus) is the same person!!! the world never knew and imam mehdi juz came n went and died of diarrhea in toilet. Fogodsakes dont try to gumrah us muslims. the world will know when the true mehdi would come. and trust me when he'd come u people would b so embarassd on your believes. i pity you may ALLAH guide u to the right path. and also your jannat dozakh graveyard story is pretty funny!
@romzbella : Watch with your own eyes that Jews are rejecting Jesus/Issa (as) based on EXACTLY SAME ARGUMENTS & LOGIC AS YOU ARE DOING. PROOF {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
Had Prophet (saw) not warned that 72 sects of Muslims going to resemble Jews i.e going to repeat same mistakes as Jews did regarding their Messiah? Are you people NOT doing EXACTLY the same. Watch {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo} & ask your own conscience!
@dawah2 dear brother you r already gumrah.it seems funny that people like u start believing what evr is told 2 u by mullas.have u ever tried 2 research yourself .
lets see that your mahdi comes or not.i know no body wil come now bcoz according to islamic belief d time of his advent has already passed and in that same time only Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) had claimed mahdiyat with proper proofs.atleast for once try to research yorself,may Allah guide you and all muslims to right path
@RealSherKhan : Alhamdulillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi Muslim. Previously I was a Sunni. Today Mullahs belonging to 72 sects says that ONLY ONE i.e Ahmadis are Kafir. BIT they forget that the VERDICT of our beloved Prophet (saw) is totally OPPOSITE. He (saw) had DECLARED that ALL the sects will be HELL BOUND Except Only ONE.
Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian was a Promised Messiah & Mahdi beyond any doubt. For Proofs {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
@dawah2 At the end Mehdi as & Isa as will offer salah.. when isa as will arrive; he will offer salah & imam will be mehdi.. then hw come mehdi die???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAY ALLAH GUIDE U & ALL OF US..... AMEEN.....
@romzbella dear brother you r already gumrah.it seems funny that people like u start believing what evr is told 2 u by mullas.have u ever tried 2 research yourself .
lets see that your mahdi comes or not.i know no body wil come now bcoz according to islamic belief d time of his advent has already passed and in that same time only Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) had claimed mahdiyat with proper proofs.atleast for once try to research yorself,may Allah guide you and all muslims to right path
Musalman word na use kro apne liye ok.aur tm haq ki payas ni balke paise ki pyas main ahmadi hoye ho gy.mjhe btao zara kon si khas bat hai jis ne tme ahmadi bna diya?
سب سے خاص بات یہ ھے کہ یہ اللہ کے بھیجے ہوئے مسیح اور مہدی کی جماعت ھے۔ یہ وہ حقیقی اسلام پیش کرتی ھے کہ جو سو فیصد منطقی ھے۔ جب کہ ملا کا اسلام دیو مالایئ کہانیوں پر مشتمل ھے۔ اللہ فرماتا ھے کہ
جسے ہم لمبی عمر دیتے ہیں اسے تمام جبلی طاقتوں میں کمزور کر دیتے ہیں
سورۃ یسین آیت ۶۸
مگر ملا کہتا ھے کہ دو ہزار سالہ ایک بابا آیئگا اور ساری بدینا فتح کریگا
الحمدللہ ہم محمد صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو آخری نبی مانتے ہیں۔ ہم میں اور دوسرے مسلمانوں میں بنیادی فرق یہ ھے کہ ہم ایمان رکھتے ہیں کہ عیسی علیہ السلام صلیب سے بچنے کے بعد دوسرے تمام ابنیا کی طرح فوت ھو چکے ہیں اور جو امتی نبی امت میں عیسی کے نام سے آنا تھا وہ امت کا ایک فرد ھونا تھا جو کہ آ چکا حضرت احمد قادیانی علیہ السلام کی صورت۔ جبکہ باقی فرقے دو ہزار سالہ عیسی کے دنیا میں آنے کا انتظار کر رھے ہیں
قرآن پاک میں اللہ تعالی فرماتا ھے کہ عیسی علیہ السلام کو یہودی نہ قتل کر سکے نہ ہی صلیب دے سکے ۔ پھر اسکے بعد ایک اور جگہ اللہ تعالی فرماتا ھے کہ اس نے عیسی علیہ اور انکی والدہ کو ایسی جگہ پناہ دی جو اونچی ، اور چشموں والی تھی یعنی کشمیر۔ اس سے ثابت ھوتا ھے کہ عیسی علیہ السلام صلیب سے بچائے گئے اور پھر بنی اسرائیل کی گمشدہ بھیڑوں کی تلاش میں کشمیر کی طرف ہجرت کر گئے
@dawah2 do u have any idea how absurd is that.... so the only place on earth with qualities given above is kashmir.... hw about i name my place, it tall, having whole lot of springs....
@haider0102 : Jesus' (as) going to Kashmir is Supported by the fact that according to both Quran & Bible he was sent for Israelite ONLY, and history tells us that at the time when Jesus (as) came 10 out of 12 Tribes of Israelite were shifted from Palestine to India/Kashmir.
Jesus' (as) going to Kashmir is a FACT which hundreds of history books also mention. Famous tv Channels have documentaries on this issue. PROOF
@haider0102 : These are Mullahs who are waiting for the LITERAL Return of Jesus (as) who was born 2,000 years ago. Jews are also waiting for literal return of an OLD Prophet Elijah. They have also rejected Jesus as their Messiah because Elijah didn't return literally. PROOF {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
It was Jesus himself who gave the VERDICT that Human come to this World ONLY once. However people similar to old Prophets continue to come after their names.
@dawah2 how about we get this straight. coz u just keep shifting from one point to another... so do you or do you not believe in prophet muhammad (SAW) and his finality.??? if you do then these are the qualities of imam mehdi from different books of hadith. " He will be a descendant of Fatima (RA), he will be found between the black stone and maqam-e-ibrahim and forced to take charge.he will fill the earth with justice as it is filled with injustice and tyranny , he will rule for seven years,
@haider0102 : We (Ahmadi Muslims) do believe in the Finality of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw). We also believe that as per Quran Jesus (as) had survived crucifixion & later died a natural death. Proof {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
We believe that a Prophet like Jesus (as) was to come in the ummah (as Subordinate Prophet) & not Jesus (as) himself.
For documentary giving sufficient evidences of the TRUTH of Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
@dawah2 did he rule for 7 years.... did he fill the earth vth peace????? can u name the scholors who found him between the black stone and maqam e ibrahim and forced him to take charge.
@haider0102 : As per Quran, usually the sings about future events do not happen literally. If Mullahs demanding literal fulfilment of signs about Imam Mahdi then why they have not accepted this claimant {watch?v=yD0ZUeMHKU8} about who they themselves accept that he fulfilled Sings literally.
All signs have been fulfilled with Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian. If you want to really know how - then watch {watch?v=VgkOfypliNk}
IMAM MAHDI IS A FALSE PROPHET ! Allah never said Imam Mahdi in Quran true, I speak the truth of Quran that the prophet Muhammed Sunni has left us, Muhammed will always be the last prophet in Islam. Truth is from Allah and His Quran ONLY. You know what you have to do if you want Allah Hi: read the Quran and obey the clear verses of Allah without trying to extrapolate as you, and pray to Allah, whatever the need, Allah is sufficient for all and has all the answers.
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve." 7:35
Prophet Muhammad (saw) clearly instructed to believe in the Mahdi & Messiah referred in the verse of the Holy Quran above. He (saw) gave the title to the subordinate Prophet to come as Mahdi & Messiah.
@dawah2 The Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, is the last of the Prophets (33:40). No prophet will come after him. By the grace of Allah, the Prophet (SAWS) has completed its universal mission. Through it, Allah has perfected Islam.Moreover, the last verse Allah has revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is related to that. Allah, the Almighty, says: "Today I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you. And have chosen Islam as your religion for you. "(5:3)
@Latounsira : "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things" 33-40 {Yousuf Ali Trans.}
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35 {yousuf Ali Trans}
@Latounsira " Yes. Islam has been perfected but still Muslims are worst on earth. They are divided in 73 sects. They are killing each other based on wrong interpretation of Quran. They need the divine reformer.
@dawah2 The only divine reformer that I know is Allah. 73 sects? After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, SAWS, Islam has been divided into seven sects. If it 'is now 73, I understand better why the disorder is on earth;
@Latounsira : Allah NEVER guide everyone directly. Rather He always guide people through His appointed ones. Whenever, truth is vanished & false sects take its place then Always Allah send a reformer for the revival of true Faith. Same was to happen in Islam and that is why A Mahdi & Messiah was foretold to come.
Allah has sent that Promised Messiah & Mahdi now whoever will accept him will benefit himself.
@dawah2 I know that Allah sent Muhammad,saws, by example.What is the role of the Imam Mahdi? But there were many men who said they were the Mahdi, how can we believe that is true?
@Latounsira : Divine guidance is a continuous phenomenon. Muhammad (saw) is the LAST Prophet with Shariyah. But whenever, true faith will depart from the world - Allah will send divinely guided reformers 4 revival of true faith.
Despite ONE Quran, today Muslims r split into sects. They r cutting throats of others while reciting Quran.
There r Muslim Leaders who r openly saying that "THEY R BLOOD DRINKING NATION" Proof {watch?v=cGNOo1vwHto}
@dawah2 YOU'RE RIGHT:Unfortunately many unsuspecting Muslims mistakenly believe that this belief is unique to the current Shi'a Islam and therefore they feel no obligation to subscribe. This false impression is probably due to the fact that the Shi'as, who paid particular attention to this subject because of the identity of the person they believe al-Mahdi to be part of the Twelve Imams of Ahl-ul-Bayt (p) they consider to be the only legitimate representatives and successors of the Holy Prophet
@bmwduran : Brother, things NEVER change overnight. In Quran, it is mentioned that allah has sent Muhammad (saw) to PREVAIL ISLAM OVER ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. So, was Islam the largest religion in the world in the lifetime of our beloved Prophet (saw) or just after it?
Watch with your own eyes JEWS saying EXACTLY same about Issa/Jesus (as) that how could he be rue Messiah when despite 2,000 years so & so as mentioned in their prophecies has not occurred!
Mirza Ghulam (Slave) Ahmad Qadiani was the slave of Britain, you read his history! They are insisting on the hadith that there will be 72 sects in Ummah but they are not pondering upon the hadith, the hadith does not say to create sects. The stupid Qadiani says in his book that he doesn't agree with those hadiths which say that Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the last messenger but agree with those that fit him. Everyone knows that Black is Black and white is white don't keep brushing it the more.
@letsknow : There is NO difference between us & 72 sects of Muslims regarding Finality of Prophet-hood. Because the 72 sects are also waiting for a Prophet Issa (as) to come after Muhammad (saw). The actyual difference is regarding whether old Issa (as) was to come or he has died like all other Prophets & someone from the ummah was to come after his name/title/status?
Watch an eye opening Debate in this regard at {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
@dawah2 the prophet we are waiting for wil not be born of women a second time he wil be the actual isa as who god raised alive, that same isa will come down. not a man born to parents in Qadian. when we say no new prophet after Muhammed (pbuh) we say no prophet wil come that wasn't there before Muhammed pbuh and jesus was there before our blessed prophet
1: There is no difference regarding Finality of prophet hood between 72 sects & Ahmadi Muslims - because 72 sects also believe in coming of Prophet Isa (as) after Muhammad (saw).
2: It is WRONG to believe that Isa (as) was physically ascended to Allah & is still Physically alive & that he will come flying from sky. For proof watch this debate {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
Bring even 10% evidence of Isa (as) being still alive as compared to above video!
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian may be the real Mehdi. He spent his life to prove his legitimacy. He could do virtually nothing. Every Mehdi will meet the same fate. HMGAQ was rather in better position. Other Mehdis were misbehaved and humiliated. One Mehdi from Qila Gujjjar Sing Lahore, Pakistan was badly beaten by police. May be he still detained.
Mehdi is invention of sinister hadis. It has no scriptural license..
reasonlight 2 months ago
@reasonlight : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did GREAT Things!
1) He (as) Broke the cross by PROVING that Jesus (as) died & buried like ALL other human
2) He (as) revived the True spirit of Islam at the time when Mullahs have made it bunch of Fairy Tales & Some Barbaric doctrines
3) He (as) revived the True concept of Allah & Tahuheed at the time when Allah of Mullahs was a LIMITED Physical being to Whom a physical journey of Humam was attributed.
This is what every Prophet did in PAST.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 well then why shudnt we call salahuddin ayubi as mehdi or tariq bin ziad... they did the same with sword...
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Are you Allah? How can you make anyone as Imam Mahdi? Prophet (saw) had said that Allah will make Mahdi an Imam & not people.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 the ar you??? nominating a person as mehdi who deosnt even fulfil the basic requirements, let alone his personal character. go and search his life and his books before tryina defend him..
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : I have not nominated nor I could nominate anyone as appointed one by Allah. Only Allah nominate someone as His appointed one & he announce that nomination. And IF SOMEONE FALSELY MAKE SUCH CLAIM THEN HE IS KILLED & MISSION IS DESTROYED. This is the sign which distinguish True Prophets from the Fake Prophets.
Do u knnow that EVEN YOU MULLAHS ADMIT that ALL THE SINGS OF MAHDI R FULFILLED? Proof: youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 so then whoever comes and claims to be mehdi, we have to accept him.. as per mirza ghulam there might be several mehdis after him
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Remember! that ALL false claimants of Mahdi Killed & their missions destroyed. This is the time when as per your own Mullahs ALL THE SIGNS OF IMAM MAHDI HAVE BEEN FULFILLED! So, where is the Mahdi?
Can u deny that even your own Mullahs are admitting that AL the Signs of Mahdi have been fulfilled? Watch this & come-up with Proofs IF U CAN. {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 i ve seent that .. now that all signs are fulfilled, lemmi ask u a straight question, and for God's sake plz answer straight rather then ur regular beating abt the bush. if today a person claims to be mehdi, will u accept him just bcoz all the signs are fulfilled
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : The one who was 2 come as Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi has come. ALL signs about Imam Mahdi have been fulfilled. Promised Messiah in Islam has broke the cross by Proving from Bible/history that Jesus survived crucifixion & later died & BURIES here on earth.
He has established a worldwide movement which is flourishing & expanding despite ALL possible cruelties & persecutions by the 72 deviant sects. Now what else anyone want? Remember! No one is EVER going to come FLYING from sky
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 how abt we pause for a moment and let u name these 72 sects. come on, give it a go.
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Read the names of 72 sects present at the time of Promised Messiah (as) at real-islam org. Today there are even many more sects than 73.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 y dont u name it... do u even know what a sect is???
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : In this limited space ALL the 73 sects at the time of Promised Messiah (as) can not be written. This is the reason that I gave you the website containing the list of ALL the 73 sects.
dawah2 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Alhamdulillah I have accepted Imam Mahdi & left Mullah's brand of FAKE Islam after reading the books of Founder of "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam". Watch with your own eyes that EVEN SEVERE OPPONENTS & MULLAHS are compelled by Allah in LIVE TV shows that Hadhrat Ahmad (as) was GREAT Fighter of Islam & that he was Great Saint. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck}
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 i dont have to watch that.i noe what they said. and i ve been in dr israr's company and i noe what his view was. and i have seen that light, in fact i ve been offered with that light. its such a unique light with strange characteristics. so im not to be witched by this light.
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : So, you are NOT ready to see!! Your condition is expressed in Quran as "Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in God's plan. But most of them ignore (the truth)." 6:112
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 i am able to see. its u who is blinded by that "light" and ur logic which is lesser than that of a 5 years old child
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Oh I see!! Believing that Human live, die & bury here on earth is illogical & childish while believing that Jesus Physically ascended to Allah & is living there without eating food for thousands of years & that he will return physically FLYING BODILY from sky & at the age of 2,000+ years will marry a girl of 20+ & yet defeating ALL super powers is Logical & Mature thought!!
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 well did i miss smthng. i guess it was u who was desperate to bring all the m iracles under his own brilliant logic and not me. so kindly stick to ur point instead of hopping in a circle
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : I do not believe that Allah is like a magician. Allah has fixed the laws of nature & we see that they NEVER change. Quran also says that YOU WILL NEVER SEE A CHANGE IN THE WAYS OF ALLAH i.e The Laws of Nature.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 dont start hopping around again. stick to the point, y didnt the digestive enzymes digest prophet younas(AS)
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Prophet Yunus (as) remained in the belly of the fish ONLY for few hours. As per Bible it was 36 hrs. But it could be only an hour or even less. Since he was swallowed as whole thus the fish vomit him out quite early. NO MAGIC NOTHING. Just due to PERFECT Laws of Nature.
Remember! that ONLY weak & Stupid change their own made laws.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 huh...i guess u were the desperate one trying to bring all the miracles under ur brilliant logic. now kindly dont change sides and stick to ur point.... and its very funny when a guy who believe in miraculous birth written and wikipedia , and still blaming others to be childish... what a shame
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : I still believe that miracles are explainable & are not against the established laws of nature.
dawah2 1 month ago
who told you that the ropes became snakes.it says it looked like snakes and it was a magic indeed. as for the stick of moses, again if u ever had a chance to read quran, you wouldnt be saying that... 7:107 and 26:32 explains it all... i dont call wuran a book of magic, its a book of realities. and allah can do things that we cant understand, and that too is a reality.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Allah has made this universe on the Principal of Cause & effect. All the scientific advancement is a result of Cause to every effect. In Quran Allah says that "THERE CAN BE NEVER A CHANGE IN HIS WAYS i.e LAWS OF NATURE".
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 if you are gnna take ur logic and science as a standard... than will you plz go and read some scientific research by few athiest.... they say , on the basis of their scientific knowledge, that there is nothing such as a creator... so tell me, are u on their side???
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : We are rational believers & thus ONLY Nobel laureate scientist among entire Muslim world is an Ahmadi Muslim. (Dr. Abdus Salam). If we were also be living in Myths & Fairy tales then our scholars would also be like your STUPID Mullahs.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 and how will u define the :NOBLE" ... huh?? those who are in accord with ur opinions and belief and so called logic
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Dr. Abus Salam is the ONLY Muslim scientist who won NOBEL PRIZE in Physics & he was Ahmadi Muslim. " Nobel laureate" is a term applied to such great people who won Nobel Prize.
dawah2 1 month ago
swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just Ruler; so (he) will break the 'cross', kill swine and prohibit war!
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, No. 668, Book of Prophets, P. 490)
now how about you look for those signs in mirza ghulam ahmad
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Prophet (saw) also foretold that "Time will come when 72 sects of Muslims exactly resemble the Jews" {Tirmadhdi Kitabul-Fitan}. Do u know that Jews were also told about Return of an OLD Prophet i.e Elijah? {Malachi 4:5-6}. Isn't true that Jews also took these Prophecies literally & rejected/rejecting Jesus - saying that IF u r a True Messiah then why Elijah has not returned? Isn't true that it was Jesus himself who said that John has come as Elijah? {Mathew 17:10-13}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 im quoting a sahih hadith and you are just running here and there.... y dont u just say it, you dont wanna believe in this hadith...
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Do u mean that Tirmadhi is not among six books of Authentic Ahadith? Can u or your Mullahs throw Tairamdi out from six books of authentic Ahadith? What are you talking about. U people r living in Childish Stories & myths like some human bodily flying to Allah & then returning at the age of 2,000+ years & getting marry a girl of 20+ & yet defeating world super powers!! Whereas Quran clearly says that too old people are reverted back to weak state of creation. {Al-quran 36:68}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 well i have told you numerous times that if a sahih from bukhari or muslim is present, than you cant take any contradicting hadith from other books. if you have so much grudges against scholars , you must make yourself able to read and interpret ahadith. its not just smthn of your own choice.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Brother, it is you who do not accept Truth. Can u deny that Bukhari also clearly tells that the Issa whom Prophet (saw) saw in Miraj alingwith all the passed away Prophets is different from the Issa to come in the Ummah? Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=ClkT40VSuaQ}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 instead of watching those proofs where ppl make quran and hadith according to their own opinion, why dont u go directly for the book . its crystal clear out there. only if you want to see. if you close ur eyes to the truth and measure every hadith with ur selective thinking rod, u never gnna see the truth. i have given you more than enough references, and you are hust moving in a circle.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Actually people, specially children (& childish minded people) love Myths & fairy tales. Quran as well as authentic Ahadith clearly says that
1) Allah is everywhere - so in which physical directional will one move to attain nearness to Allah
2) Miraj was spiritual vision
BUT those who love to live in myths & fairy tales rejects all the facts.
dawah2 2 months ago
@haider0102 : The Messiah in Islam was to BREAK the cross i.e to PROVE Christianity WRONG. Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did break the cross & kill the swine i.e Proved Christanity WRONG by Proving from their own books that Jesus survived crucifixion & later died & buried like all other human. PROOF {youtube.com/watch?v=Z82HtPesFxc}
Even opponent Mullahs admit that Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian Defeated Christianity. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=wVOMV7vDFck}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 did u miss the jizya (tax on non muslims) being terminated
and i dont need proof that tries to say anything against what my beloved prophet (SAW) said.nd just bcoz he fought aganist christians,he becomes messiah. then what would you say about all those ppl in sub-continent that fought against christians, how about salahudin ayubi, how abt dr naik.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Ahadith of Bukhari also says that Promised Messiah will suspend religious wars. Some also says that there will be no Jizya at his time. Both of these signs are fulfilled. Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian did FORBID fighting in the name of Religion & there is NO jizya system any-more in the world.
All the Muslim sufferings are due to not obeying the Promised Messiah & keeping on fighting religious wars by the 72 sects.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 o boy. it clearly says that he will terminate jizya... so if the people of today are fighting, where is that peace we have been promised. the words of my beloved prophet (SAW) can never ever be false...
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Do u know that Mullahs have changed & corrupted Ahadith? Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=ClkT40VSuaQ}. IF I SHOW U ORIGINAL ARABIC BUKHARI SAYING THAT PROMISED MESSIAH WILL SUSPEND RELIGIOUS FIGHTING THEN WILL U CURSE ON MULLAHS OR NOT?
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 what di u think. i read some urdu or english version of sahih bikhari. why do u go brooding on mullahs everytime. how many times i have to tell you that you are not talkin to a mullah or whatever u may call that... but u just keep beeting around the bush..,. and i dont have any cure for that
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Do you know that it was our BELOVED Prophet (saw) who foretold that Mullahs belonging to 72 sects will be WORST CREATURE UNDER THE SKY? Watch Dr. Israr Ahmad admitting that this Hadith is authentic & have already fulfilled as Mullahs of this age are actually exactly like mentioned in this hadith. PROOF youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 whats is wrong with u... dont u have anything else except beating about the bush... are we talking mullahs, or u a mullah or am i one... why on the earth are you just brooding....
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Those who are living in Myths & fairy tales in the name of Faith are Mullahs. Human doesn't FLY bodily to Allah nor they come back to this world. Those who believe Jesus (as) ascending bodily to Allah & about his return are Mullahs & alike. UNDERSTAND!!
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 so you want to say that nothing supernatural or miracle or anything that cant be explained by ur logic happens... ok . when kindly explain the birth of jesus
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Birth without male is NOT supernatural. Still there are species which give birth without male interaction. Some child are born with BOTH male & female systems. Thus scientifically birth within in such cases is possible.
Yes, miracles are there BUT these are NOT breaking of laws of nature. Allah miraculously saved Muhammad (saw) through web of spiders on the opening of the cave. It proves that miracles are through fixed laws of nature.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 give me one single example in human where therez birth without male...... moreover, spider dont form their web in seconds, they take pretty long time .. also its pretty natural for fire to burn human body, but it didnt in case of prophet ibrahim (AS)... its natural that when u kill few birds , crush them together , then they stay pretty dead and don not go flying around... but again it happened when prophet ibrahim (AS) asked allah (SWT)...hope ye ppl can explain
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Budah was without Father. Krishna was without Father.
Allah sent millions of Spiders & they made the web within hours. It was not break in natural laws.
Nowhere Quran says that Birds crushed into pieces returned to life. Please don't make Quran a book of Myths & fairy tales.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 if its the sri krishna then his father name was vasudeva and his mother was devaki. and if its sm1 from ur own dream world then maybe he was born without father. budha's father was a king named Śuddhodana,.
really?? u dont even noe abt the request of prophet ibrahim (AS). plz. go and read quran with open eyes before coming here and talking abt quran and sunna . but still its 02:260...
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Increase your knowledge! Krishna is believed to be virgin birth. Read "Miraculous_births" under wikipedia & you will know that there r many who r believed to be virgin birth. You are living in CHILDISH myths & fairy tales of Mullahs belonging to 72 deviant sects. Come to Truth. Come to Logic & rationality.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 so qadiani sect doesnt have mullahs or scholors??? i have seen the one who explains about mehdi bringing justice to earth.... and anyone with a bit of a brains cant take it for few minutes coz he just keep giving out his own thoughts
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : NO - we don't have those Mullahs about which Muhammad (saw) have said that THEY WILL BELONG TO 72 DEVIANT SECTS & WILL BE WORST AMONG CREATURES ON EARTH. PROOF {youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 have u ever had a chance to read the afore-mentioned hadith... go read it for urself till end ...
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Yes I have read that Hadith & even I had discussed it in detail in my documentary SHOWING THAT HOW IT PROVES TRUTH OF AHMADIYYA. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}. Watch it & ask your own conscience that is there any way to scape?
dawah2 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Mullahs including Zakir Naik are supporting Christianity by making Jesus ABOVE Human & believing that HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD NEVER DIED & RAISED UP TO GOD WHERE HE IS STILL ALIVE.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 i cant do anything about your obssession dude.... i have already stated numerous ahadith which is above questions in term of authenticity....and its crystal clear now. believe what you want to... i dont have cure for your personal grudges and selective perceptions...
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : You or Mullahs can NEVER deny that Prophet (saw) foretold that these WILL be 72 sects which will deviate from Truth & NOT THE ONE.
Didn't Prophet (saw) DECLARED that ALL THE SECTS EXCEPT ONLY ONE will be on the right path? Didn't Allah compelled Mullahs belonging to 72 sects to unanimously separate & distinguish ONE from the REST of 72?
Didn't Prophet (saw) termed the Mullahs, whom u r following, as WORST CREATURE on the earth? For Proof watch youtube.com/watch?v=oys_sKVEJk4
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 if we leave it up to your logic and intelligence , then what would you say about the gifts of moses, turning of his stick into snake, jesus being able to revive the dead, the maraj, all those are supernatural, arent they. or tell me, they are just stories by mullah and zakir naik.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Read Holy Quran with OPEN eyes. Quran doesn't says that ropes or stick actually converted into snakes. Rather it says "Said Moses: "Throw ye (first)." So when they threw, they BEWITCHED THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE, and struck terror into them: for they showed a great (feat of) magic" 7:116
Similarly, Quran as well as Bukhari tells us that Miraj was SPIRITUAL VISION. (Read Quran 53:11 & Bukhari Book 93 # 608)
Please come out of Childish stories, MYTHS & fairy tales.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 116 says about those magician, which indeed was bewitching. b ut did ye take some pain and move on to 117. it clearly says the word engulf.
as for 53:11, it says what prophet(SAW) , his heart didnt mix any lie with that...
what would u say abt 2:60 where moses struck his stick on a stone which burst into 12 springs. and did u miss the jesus being ablie to revive the dead
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Don't make Prophets as magicians & turn Holy Quran into a book of CHILDISH stories of عینک والا جن
Nowhere Quran says that Stick or ropes actually become snakes.
About Miraj Quran clearly says that Miraj was vision & Bukhari explains it as a THING SEEN WHILE SLEEPING. This Bukhari Book 93 # 608 ends at "On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet then WOKE while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca)." Can u or Mulah deny it??????
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 again taking things without reference and context.. . im so done with this habit...53:11 clearly states that prophet (SAW) saw those things with his eyes, . ever heard of seeing a dream with onesz eyes???
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : I mentioned Bukhari with reference CLEALY STATING THAT "ON THAT GABRIAL SAID, "DESCEND IN ALLAH'S NAME". THE PROPHET THEN WOKE-UP WHILE HE WAS IN THE SACRED MOSQUE"
Your condition is well described in Holy Quran as "Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in God's plan. But most of them ignore (the truth)." 6:111
dawah2 2 months ago
@haider0102 : 53:11 doesn't say that Prophet saw Miraj with eyes. Rather it says that it was HEART (MIND) which saw Miraj. READ with OPEN eyes
1) The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw. Yousuf Ali Trans
2) The heart was not untrue in (making him see) what he saw. SHAKIR TRANS.
3) The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw. Pickthall Trans
SHAME ON YOU WHO IS ALTERING QURAN JUST TO MAKE IT A BOOK OF FAIRY TALES & COMIC.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 we are not discussing the spiritual or physical aspect of mairaj (which is a bit of dispute amongst scholors)... what i want to say is that miracle do happens and and its not necessarily to be explained by our logic....one cant explain the birth of jesus, or what happened to prophet younas (AS)...
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Miracles do happen BUT they are in-line with laws of nature. When our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw) was in danger then Allah saved him through Web of Spiders BUT WITHOUT BREAKING LAWS OF NATURE.
As per Quran & Sahaih Bukhari Miraj was SPIRITUAL VISION.
This Bukhari Book 93 # 608 ends at "On that Gabriel said, "Descend in Allah's Name." The Prophet then WOKE while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca)." Can u or Mulah deny it??????
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 if u can logically explain a miracle, then how come they are called miracel, why not simple ordinary acts
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : It is Mullah's though that miracles are unnatural phenomenon. Otherwise Allah clearly says in Quran that 1) THERE CAN NEVER BE CHANGE IN HIS WAYS i.e LAWS OF NATURE.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 , 02:260 where birds comes back to life. 21:69 where fire didnt consume prophet ibrahim(AS). go read the story of prophet younas (AS) prophet yousa (AS) , prophet jesus, prophet moses, . go and read quran completely ... i noe what u r gnna do. selsct these aya and find an explanation that satisfies ur ego and the so called light...
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : "... `Take four birds and make them attached to thee. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste.' And know that ALLAH is Mighty and Wise." 2:260
2:260 doesn't say that Prophet Ibrahim turned the birds into pieces & then they returned to life.
Rather, Quran DECLARES IN CLEAR TERMS THAT ONCE GONE FROM THIS WORLD NO ONE CAN RETURN.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 o man... do u read quran with ur eyes closed..couldnt u find the start of aya or maybe it wasnt fulfilling ur conditions... or do i have to explain evrything word by word.. its not a damned primary school
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Quran is NOT book of Children stories consisting of FOOLISH things & fairy tales. It doesn't say anything Stupid like DEAD RETURNING TO LIFE IN THIS WORLD. UNDERSTAND!!
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 then u may also say that being thrown in the fire and not burnt is stupid, u may also say that being engulfed by a giant fish and stayed therr for fourty days and then came out alive is stupid...
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Every Prophet & his initial followers are thrown in the fire of PERSECUTION - and yet Allah save them & flourish them. As is the case with Islam-Ahmadiyya.
Hadhrat Younus remained in the belly of Huge fish JUST for two nights & one day. Then the fish threw him out.
Do you know that a woman remained alive for 60 days in the rabbles of earth quake? This is not unnatural.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 come off it kid...its natural for a fire to consume human flesh, and being the great scholar of quran as u are, u said there cannot be a change in ways of nature. now whyy..... there was no digestive enzymes acting on the lady under the rabbles. while prophet younas(AS) was subjected to those enzymes in whale's stomach.
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Kids are those who are living in Childish stories like Human FLYING Bodily to Allah & living there for thousands of years without taking food & then returning FLYING BODILY from Sky & getting marry a 20 years girl at the age of 2,000 years & then defeating the super powers.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 and how comes i didnt get any reply for all the things i have mentioned. story of prophet ibrahim (AS) story of moses (AS) and story of younas (AS)... or im guessing ur brilliant scholors didnt come up with any "logical explanation"
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Come of of STORIES & FAIRY TALES. Prophets coming out of fire of persecution is a FACT & not story. Moses (as) passed the ocean while Fero drowned because of HIGH & LOW TIDE Phenomenon. It was miracle that Moses (as) crossed it at the time told to him by Allah when the tide was low. While Fero drowned because he attempted to cross it while the time of Low tide was over & high tide was approaching. These are realities & not CHILDISH STORIES.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 why didnt the fire burn prophet ibrahim (AS) ???
as for ur theory of high and low tide, i noe where u have taken that from. did u forget to scroll down for details or u would have realized how absurd this theory is. its such a great coincidence that ur thoughts are exaclty like that of christians and jews, nd im not saying anything, just a tiny coincidence.. haha
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Because it was not PHYSICAL FIRE - rather it was a fore of persecution & opposition. Every Prophet is subjected to Fire of persecution & opposition & they come out of it victorious. Even Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was also thrown in that fire by the Mullahs belonging to 72 Hell Bound sects. But Fire could not harm him & today his mission is spread ALL over the world.
dawah2 1 month ago
@dawah2 that is the most stupid thing ive ever heard in my life... go and read quran before opening ur mouth like that... deducting evrything from ur own logic... how pathetic is that..... im nt even gnna argue with u anymore. you are kinfa person abt whom quran tells that if u meet them, just tell them them good bye
haider0102 1 month ago
@haider0102 : Oh I see. Taking things rationally is STUPID according to you. While believing that a Human Flew Bodily to Allah & is living there Bodily without eating food for thousands of years & that he will return FLYING Bodily & at the age of 2,000+ years will marry a girl of even less than 20 & defeating super powers at so OOOOOLD age is ABSOLUTE RATIONAL.
ONLY STUPID CAN THINK THAT WAY.
dawah2 1 month ago
@haider0102 : All Prophets come to give spiritual life to spiritually dead people. There is NOTHING SPECIAL with Jesus (as) in this regard. If Jesus (as) brought back the DEAD to life then you have to accept that he was God. BECAUSE Quran DECLARES categorically that "Say, `Is there any of your associated-gods who originates creation and then reproduces it ?' Say, `It is ALLAH alone Who originates creation and then reproduces it. Wither then are you turned away ?'" 10:34
dawah2 2 months ago
according to mirza ghula :
·"I do not claim that I am the same Mahdi who will come according to (words of Hadith) 'from the son of Fatima and from my progeny' etc." (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya V, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.356)
·"We admit this that several Mahdis may have come before and possibly will come in future as well and probably someone by the name of Imam Muhammad may also appear." (Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.379)
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qaian was that Imam Mahdi who was to be Messiah as well. Prophet (saw) had foretold about various Mahdis. Among them was to be ONE Mahdi who was to be Issa/Messiah as well as mentioned in Abn-e-Majjah where it is written that "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA".
In Masnad-e-Ahmad it is stated that Prophet (saw) said that "Soon u will meet Issa as IMAM MAHDI".
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 well 1st of all anyone who know a little about hadith can tell you that the hadith from ibn e maja is zaeef and some scholors even classified as fabricated.
2ndly the word mehdi has been derived from hudaa which means guidance, so even if we take the aforesaid hadith as sahih, then its not "the mehdi" as its been clearly mentioned in sahih that his name will be muhammad ibn abdullah and he will be from progeny of hazrat fatima (RA).
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Will you declare Al-Quran as Zaeef as well? Because it says categorically that Prophets r Imams & that Whenever Prophets will come they will come from the people of the time & not flying bodily from Sky? "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles FROM AMONGST YOU, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" Al-Quran 7:35
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 i thought we were discussing whether or not mirza ghulam is the mahdi. why do you keep beating about the bush... you claim he was the mahdi, so kindly stick to the signs of imam mahdi and spend some time for searching those signs in mirza ghulam...
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was not only the Imam Mahdi But he was also the Promised Messiah. Watch with your own eyes that even your own Mullahs are compelled to admit that ALL THE SIGNS OF THE IMAM MAHDI ARE FULFILLED & THAT HE WAS TO COME 125 YEARS AGO. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 just because the signs are fulfilled then i have to accept whosoever claims to be imam mehdi. no matter if he doesnt fulfil the conditions given in sahih ahadith.. dont ye think thats absurd..
as for the proof, i have watched the one ye gave me about filling the earth with peace. where that alleged scholor just recite on aya and then build whole new building of his own logic and thoughts....
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Remember that Quran tells distinguishing sign of False Prophets as that THEY ARE KILLED & THEIR MISSION DESTROYED. If Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian was not true in his claim then his mission would Never have established around the globe.
Do u know that why Jews are still rejecting Jesus (as) as their Messiah? They are saying exactly same things about Jesus as u r doing for Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian. Proof {youtube.com/watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
dawah2 2 months ago
I know inside reality of qadeianies so who so ever you are, please dont get trapped in this Zionist and Christian's consipiracy....!!
Many qadeianies are themselves are now feel that they are trapped but cant come out....
ahsanshahzad1980 2 months ago
@ahsanshahzad1980 : You are TOTALLY misinformed by the LIAR Mullahs. Alhamdulillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi Muslim. Although, I was born in a Sunni family, but was NEVER satisfied with Mullah's Brand of Barbaric & illogical Islam. Here is symbolic story of my conversion. {youtube.com/watch?v=c4d0wnaV3Bk}
dawah2 2 months ago
Lanti qadeanio.............
ahsanshahzad1980 2 months ago
@ahsanshahzad1980 : Today 72 sects unanimously declare Ahmadi Muslims as Kafir, Lanti etc, as IF they are True Muslims. BUT they forget that the VERDICT of our beloved Muhammad (saw) is TOTALLY OPPOSITE to it. He (saw) had DECLARED ALL the 72 sects opposing the ONE as Hell BOUND. So be happy on your Mullah's declaration. We are happy with Prophet's (saw) DECLARATION. UNDERSTAND!!
dawah2 2 months ago
well lets say for a micro second for arguments sake that mirza ghulam was mehdi. but hez dead , isnt he. so where are the other signs, ruling for 7 years, filling the earth with peace, jesus offering his prayer behind him. have ye ppl ever considered that....
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 :
#1: Usually Allah tells about future events through dreams & visions & that these visions are Fulfilled in Metaphoric sense.
#2: If Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian is not the Promised Messiah & Mahdi then where is he? Becuse your ulemas ADMIT that ALL THE SIGNS OF MAHDI HAVE BEEN FULFILLED. Proof {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
#3: Didn't Jews ejected & r rejecting Jesus due to exactly same arguments? Proof {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
#4: Answer 2 your questions {watch?v=VgkOfypliNk}
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 then you being aware of the original meanings, tell us. explain all the signs...7 years means months? earth means just a few kilometers??.. just coz imam mehdi hasnt appeared yet, so we have to accept whoever claims to be imam mehdi. couldnt ye reckon the absurdity of this statement.... and why do ye go searching for jesus everytime,arent we given with a religion that is perfects and complete
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : As per Ahadith Imam Mahdi & Promised Messiah are ONE & the same person. Prophet (saw) said "There will be NO Mahdi EXCEPT Issa" Ibn-e-Majja.
Remember! that Prophets bring Peace & Justice But only those benefit from it who accept them.
Yes, Islam is complete BUT yet Promised Messiah was to come because as per Ahadith the True understanding of Islam was to vanish.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 hadith cant be taken without context, as they explain each other. the hadith mentioned above has been criticized regarding the narrators,there is another sahih nd one cant take a zaeef n prescence of sahih "it is reported from Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) who said, ‘Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘What will be your condition when the son of Maryam descends and your Imaam will be amongst you?” [Narrated in Bukhari in the chapter, Nuzoolu Isaa Bin Maryam]
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : The Hadith of Bukhari doesn't say that Imam & Son of Marry will be two different persons. Rather, the True translation of this hadith is that "What will be your condition when son of Mary will descend among u as your Imam".
Quran also says that "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles FROM AMONGST YOU, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 where have you taken that translation from.... your dreams??... listen, you have already decided that mirza ghulam was imam mehdi, and not you have selective perceptions. you will translate everything according to your own mind. so no discussions can be fruitful. and how many times should i tell you that you have to take quran and hadith as a whole. there are other numerous aya ad hadith where its crystal clear that no prophet or messenger is to come after Muhammad (SAW).
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : The translation of Al-Quran 7:35 is from Yousuf Ali translation which is most famous non-Ahmadi translation of Quran on the Internet. Al-Quran 7:35 Clearly says that WHENEVER Messengers will come they will be from AMONG the people ofg that time & not FLYING BODILY FROM SKY.
Alhamdu-Lillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi-Muslim. Although I was born as Sunni but I was NEVER satisfied Mullahs brand of Islam comprising of Childish stories like humam Flying bodily to Allah.
dawah2 2 months ago
@haider0102 : YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Our beloved Prophet (saw) had only forbidden a law bearing Prophet & not coming of Prophet at all. Thus he Himself had said that "There will be NO Prophet Between me & Issa & soon u will meet him" Abu-Dawood.
dawah2 2 months ago
@dawah2 he will not come as a prophet. he will not bring any sharia... he will bring n othing new. he wont descend as a prophet.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : How are you to snatch Prophet-hood from the Messiah who was to come in the ummah WHEN OUR BELOVED PROPHET (saw) TERM HIM AS PROPHET OF ALLAH? Can u deny that in ONE SINGLE Hadith of Muslim 4 TIMES Prophet (saw) termed the Issa to come as Prophet of Allah?
Can u deny that Prophet (saw) said that "THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET BETWEEN ME & ISSA TO COME"?
No one will EVER Physically descend from SKY. The one who was to come has come already.
dawah2 2 months ago
@haider0102 o man, i was talking about translation of urs of the hadith from sahih bukhari ,
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : My translation of Hadith of Sahah Bukhari is not only grammatically correct but it is ALSO in-line with Quran which tells us that Prophets & Imams will ALWAYS BE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE TIME & WILL NEVER COME FLYING FROM SKY. "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35
dawah2 2 months ago
@haider0102 : Didn't Prophet (saw) said that ""A time will come when NOTHING will remain of Islam except its NAME and NOTHING will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be full but void of guidance. Their divines (Mullahs) will be the worst creatures under the sky; all the evil will be emerged from them and will revert to them." {Mishkat Kitab-ul-Ilm}
Were 72 out of 73 sects were not to become HELL BOUND? {Tirmadhi}
4 answer detailed answer watch {watch?v=VgkOfypliNk}
dawah2 2 months ago
Bakwas
tonyjaapaa 3 months ago
@tonyjaapaa : Truth is ALWAYS Bitter!!
dawah2 3 months ago
@romzbella : First of ALL be informed that human come to this world ONLY once. Neither they are Reborn (Physically) nor they come back FLYING from SKY Bodily.
Secondly, be informed that you are attacking our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw) by declaring his SAYINGS as FUNNY!! It was Muhammad (saw) who stated in VERY CLEAR TERMS that "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT JESUS/ISSA" Ref. Ibn-e-Majja
Third be informed that ALL prophets of Allah are mocked like u are doing. Al-Quran 36:30
dawah2 5 months ago
its tooo funny that imam mehdi and jesus II ( rebirth of jesus) is the same person!!! the world never knew and imam mehdi juz came n went and died of diarrhea in toilet. Fogodsakes dont try to gumrah us muslims. the world will know when the true mehdi would come. and trust me when he'd come u people would b so embarassd on your believes. i pity you may ALLAH guide u to the right path. and also your jannat dozakh graveyard story is pretty funny!
romzbella 5 months ago
@romzbella : Watch with your own eyes that Jews are rejecting Jesus/Issa (as) based on EXACTLY SAME ARGUMENTS & LOGIC AS YOU ARE DOING. PROOF {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
Had Prophet (saw) not warned that 72 sects of Muslims going to resemble Jews i.e going to repeat same mistakes as Jews did regarding their Messiah? Are you people NOT doing EXACTLY the same. Watch {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo} & ask your own conscience!
dawah2 5 months ago
@dawah2 dear brother you r already gumrah.it seems funny that people like u start believing what evr is told 2 u by mullas.have u ever tried 2 research yourself .
lets see that your mahdi comes or not.i know no body wil come now bcoz according to islamic belief d time of his advent has already passed and in that same time only Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) had claimed mahdiyat with proper proofs.atleast for once try to research yorself,may Allah guide you and all muslims to right path
RealSherKhan 4 months ago
@RealSherKhan : Alhamdulillah I am a CONVERTED Ahmadi Muslim. Previously I was a Sunni. Today Mullahs belonging to 72 sects says that ONLY ONE i.e Ahmadis are Kafir. BIT they forget that the VERDICT of our beloved Prophet (saw) is totally OPPOSITE. He (saw) had DECLARED that ALL the sects will be HELL BOUND Except Only ONE.
Hadhrat Ahmad of Qadian was a Promised Messiah & Mahdi beyond any doubt. For Proofs {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
dawah2 4 months ago
@dawah2 At the end Mehdi as & Isa as will offer salah.. when isa as will arrive; he will offer salah & imam will be mehdi.. then hw come mehdi die???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAY ALLAH GUIDE U & ALL OF US..... AMEEN.....
fazablackcat 4 months ago
@fazablackcat : Prophet Muhammad (saw) said "THERE WILL BE NO MAHDI EXCEPT ISSA" Ibn-e-Majja
dawah2 4 months ago
@romzbella dear brother you r already gumrah.it seems funny that people like u start believing what evr is told 2 u by mullas.have u ever tried 2 research yourself .
lets see that your mahdi comes or not.i know no body wil come now bcoz according to islamic belief d time of his advent has already passed and in that same time only Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) had claimed mahdiyat with proper proofs.atleast for once try to research yorself,may Allah guide you and all muslims to right path
MrTheKhansher 4 months ago
In Qur'an it is clear that Isa(as) must have died before the christians had gone astray. Al-Ma'idah, 5:117,118
NahfirO 6 months ago
In Qur'an it is clear that Isa(as) must have died before the christians had gone astray. Al-Ma'idah, 5:117,118
NahfirO 6 months ago
beta you are wrong.jamat ki shakal main to doct Zakir Naik b logon ko muslim krte hain
zaibi4800 8 months ago
@zaibi4800 :
جو بھی اچھا کام کرے ہم اسے سراہتے ہیں
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2
tm ahmadi ho?
zaibi4800 8 months ago
@zaibi4800
الحمد للہ میں احمدی مسلمان ھوں جو کہ اگرچہ سنی گھرانے میں پیدا ھوا مگر حق کی پیاس اسے مسیح اور مہدی کی جماعت تک لے آئی
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2
Musalman word na use kro apne liye ok.aur tm haq ki payas ni balke paise ki pyas main ahmadi hoye ho gy.mjhe btao zara kon si khas bat hai jis ne tme ahmadi bna diya?
zaibi4800 7 months ago
@zaibi4800 :
سب سے خاص بات یہ ھے کہ یہ اللہ کے بھیجے ہوئے مسیح اور مہدی کی جماعت ھے۔ یہ وہ حقیقی اسلام پیش کرتی ھے کہ جو سو فیصد منطقی ھے۔ جب کہ ملا کا اسلام دیو مالایئ کہانیوں پر مشتمل ھے۔ اللہ فرماتا ھے کہ
جسے ہم لمبی عمر دیتے ہیں اسے تمام جبلی طاقتوں میں کمزور کر دیتے ہیں
سورۃ یسین آیت ۶۸
مگر ملا کہتا ھے کہ دو ہزار سالہ ایک بابا آیئگا اور ساری بدینا فتح کریگا
کیا قرآن اور قوانین قدرت درست ہیں یا ملا؟
dawah2 7 months ago
@dawah2
Ye HAZRAT MUHAMMAD(S.W.A.H) ko last nabi ni mante to phr ye muslim kese hoye?
aur kya ye mante hain k imam mehdi a chuke hain ?
aur mirza kadyani kn tha?
mera e-mail id hai zohaibjamil1988@live.com
mare sath chat kro mje buht kuch pochna hai
zaibi4800 7 months ago
@zaibi4800 :
الحمدللہ ہم محمد صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو آخری نبی مانتے ہیں۔ ہم میں اور دوسرے مسلمانوں میں بنیادی فرق یہ ھے کہ ہم ایمان رکھتے ہیں کہ عیسی علیہ السلام صلیب سے بچنے کے بعد دوسرے تمام ابنیا کی طرح فوت ھو چکے ہیں اور جو امتی نبی امت میں عیسی کے نام سے آنا تھا وہ امت کا ایک فرد ھونا تھا جو کہ آ چکا حضرت احمد قادیانی علیہ السلام کی صورت۔ جبکہ باقی فرقے دو ہزار سالہ عیسی کے دنیا میں آنے کا انتظار کر رھے ہیں
dawah2 7 months ago
@dawah2 kabhi quran pharney ka ittifaq hua ho to wahan its clearly written. he hasnt been sentenced nor killed...
haider0102 5 months ago
@haider0102 :
قرآن پاک میں اللہ تعالی فرماتا ھے کہ عیسی علیہ السلام کو یہودی نہ قتل کر سکے نہ ہی صلیب دے سکے ۔ پھر اسکے بعد ایک اور جگہ اللہ تعالی فرماتا ھے کہ اس نے عیسی علیہ اور انکی والدہ کو ایسی جگہ پناہ دی جو اونچی ، اور چشموں والی تھی یعنی کشمیر۔ اس سے ثابت ھوتا ھے کہ عیسی علیہ السلام صلیب سے بچائے گئے اور پھر بنی اسرائیل کی گمشدہ بھیڑوں کی تلاش میں کشمیر کی طرف ہجرت کر گئے
For Proof watch {watch?v=4Q1dWh3vW3Q}
dawah2 5 months ago
@dawah2 do u have any idea how absurd is that.... so the only place on earth with qualities given above is kashmir.... hw about i name my place, it tall, having whole lot of springs....
haider0102 4 months ago
@haider0102 : Jesus' (as) going to Kashmir is Supported by the fact that according to both Quran & Bible he was sent for Israelite ONLY, and history tells us that at the time when Jesus (as) came 10 out of 12 Tribes of Israelite were shifted from Palestine to India/Kashmir.
Jesus' (as) going to Kashmir is a FACT which hundreds of history books also mention. Famous tv Channels have documentaries on this issue. PROOF
#1) watch?v=I4Z_0Hbg7hQ
#2) watch?v=RrTMF_4Z53Y
3#) watch?v=LzxBMtJusAg
dawah2 4 months ago
@dawah2 who told you there will be a person thousand years old.......
haider0102 4 months ago
@haider0102 : These are Mullahs who are waiting for the LITERAL Return of Jesus (as) who was born 2,000 years ago. Jews are also waiting for literal return of an OLD Prophet Elijah. They have also rejected Jesus as their Messiah because Elijah didn't return literally. PROOF {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
It was Jesus himself who gave the VERDICT that Human come to this World ONLY once. However people similar to old Prophets continue to come after their names.
dawah2 4 months ago
@dawah2 how about we get this straight. coz u just keep shifting from one point to another... so do you or do you not believe in prophet muhammad (SAW) and his finality.??? if you do then these are the qualities of imam mehdi from different books of hadith. " He will be a descendant of Fatima (RA), he will be found between the black stone and maqam-e-ibrahim and forced to take charge.he will fill the earth with justice as it is filled with injustice and tyranny , he will rule for seven years,
haider0102 3 months ago
@haider0102 : We (Ahmadi Muslims) do believe in the Finality of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw). We also believe that as per Quran Jesus (as) had survived crucifixion & later died a natural death. Proof {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
We believe that a Prophet like Jesus (as) was to come in the ummah (as Subordinate Prophet) & not Jesus (as) himself.
For documentary giving sufficient evidences of the TRUTH of Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian {watch?v=5PnaoJGYRlY}
dawah2 3 months ago
@dawah2 did he rule for 7 years.... did he fill the earth vth peace????? can u name the scholors who found him between the black stone and maqam e ibrahim and forced him to take charge.
haider0102 2 months ago
@haider0102 : As per Quran, usually the sings about future events do not happen literally. If Mullahs demanding literal fulfilment of signs about Imam Mahdi then why they have not accepted this claimant {watch?v=yD0ZUeMHKU8} about who they themselves accept that he fulfilled Sings literally.
All signs have been fulfilled with Hadhrat Ahmad (as) of Qadian. If you want to really know how - then watch {watch?v=VgkOfypliNk}
dawah2 2 months ago
IMAM MAHDI IS A FALSE PROPHET ! Allah never said Imam Mahdi in Quran true, I speak the truth of Quran that the prophet Muhammed Sunni has left us, Muhammed will always be the last prophet in Islam. Truth is from Allah and His Quran ONLY. You know what you have to do if you want Allah Hi: read the Quran and obey the clear verses of Allah without trying to extrapolate as you, and pray to Allah, whatever the need, Allah is sufficient for all and has all the answers.
Latounsira 8 months ago
@Latounsira :
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve." 7:35
Prophet Muhammad (saw) clearly instructed to believe in the Mahdi & Messiah referred in the verse of the Holy Quran above. He (saw) gave the title to the subordinate Prophet to come as Mahdi & Messiah.
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2 The Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, is the last of the Prophets (33:40). No prophet will come after him. By the grace of Allah, the Prophet (SAWS) has completed its universal mission. Through it, Allah has perfected Islam.Moreover, the last verse Allah has revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is related to that. Allah, the Almighty, says: "Today I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you. And have chosen Islam as your religion for you. "(5:3)
Latounsira 8 months ago
@Latounsira : "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things" 33-40 {Yousuf Ali Trans.}
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve" 7:35 {yousuf Ali Trans}
dawah2 8 months ago
@Latounsira " Yes. Islam has been perfected but still Muslims are worst on earth. They are divided in 73 sects. They are killing each other based on wrong interpretation of Quran. They need the divine reformer.
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2 The only divine reformer that I know is Allah. 73 sects? After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, SAWS, Islam has been divided into seven sects. If it 'is now 73, I understand better why the disorder is on earth;
Latounsira 8 months ago
@Latounsira : Allah NEVER guide everyone directly. Rather He always guide people through His appointed ones. Whenever, truth is vanished & false sects take its place then Always Allah send a reformer for the revival of true Faith. Same was to happen in Islam and that is why A Mahdi & Messiah was foretold to come.
Allah has sent that Promised Messiah & Mahdi now whoever will accept him will benefit himself.
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2 I know that Allah sent Muhammad,saws, by example.What is the role of the Imam Mahdi? But there were many men who said they were the Mahdi, how can we believe that is true?
Latounsira 8 months ago
@Latounsira : Divine guidance is a continuous phenomenon. Muhammad (saw) is the LAST Prophet with Shariyah. But whenever, true faith will depart from the world - Allah will send divinely guided reformers 4 revival of true faith.
Despite ONE Quran, today Muslims r split into sects. They r cutting throats of others while reciting Quran.
There r Muslim Leaders who r openly saying that "THEY R BLOOD DRINKING NATION" Proof {watch?v=cGNOo1vwHto}
Shirk in the name of Islam {watch?v=tpnC68_OUxs}
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2 YOU'RE RIGHT:Unfortunately many unsuspecting Muslims mistakenly believe that this belief is unique to the current Shi'a Islam and therefore they feel no obligation to subscribe. This false impression is probably due to the fact that the Shi'as, who paid particular attention to this subject because of the identity of the person they believe al-Mahdi to be part of the Twelve Imams of Ahl-ul-Bayt (p) they consider to be the only legitimate representatives and successors of the Holy Prophet
Latounsira 8 months ago
so if Ahmedi was the Issa, then he came and gone but he did not unite muslims Jews and Christians, then what kind of ISA was he????
bmwduran 8 months ago
@bmwduran : Brother, things NEVER change overnight. In Quran, it is mentioned that allah has sent Muhammad (saw) to PREVAIL ISLAM OVER ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. So, was Islam the largest religion in the world in the lifetime of our beloved Prophet (saw) or just after it?
Watch with your own eyes JEWS saying EXACTLY same about Issa/Jesus (as) that how could he be rue Messiah when despite 2,000 years so & so as mentioned in their prophecies has not occurred!
PROOF {watch?v=HbMO_zWp_lo}
dawah2 8 months ago
Mirza Ghulam (Slave) Ahmad Qadiani was the slave of Britain, you read his history! They are insisting on the hadith that there will be 72 sects in Ummah but they are not pondering upon the hadith, the hadith does not say to create sects. The stupid Qadiani says in his book that he doesn't agree with those hadiths which say that Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the last messenger but agree with those that fit him. Everyone knows that Black is Black and white is white don't keep brushing it the more.
letsknow 9 months ago
@letsknow :
Br. What u r saying & doing is not new. See, Allah is showing mirror 2 non-believers by telling that what people like u did with previous Prophets:
1: Blame of being agent : "Nothing is said to thee but what was said to the Messengers before thee" 41:43
2: Saying STUPID & MAD MAN : "Even so there came no Messenger to those before them, but they said, ‘A sorcerer, or a madman" 51:52
dawah2 8 months ago
@letsknow : There is NO difference between us & 72 sects of Muslims regarding Finality of Prophet-hood. Because the 72 sects are also waiting for a Prophet Issa (as) to come after Muhammad (saw). The actyual difference is regarding whether old Issa (as) was to come or he has died like all other Prophets & someone from the ummah was to come after his name/title/status?
Watch an eye opening Debate in this regard at {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
dawah2 8 months ago
@dawah2 the prophet we are waiting for wil not be born of women a second time he wil be the actual isa as who god raised alive, that same isa will come down. not a man born to parents in Qadian. when we say no new prophet after Muhammed (pbuh) we say no prophet wil come that wasn't there before Muhammed pbuh and jesus was there before our blessed prophet
2009johnabraham 8 months ago
@2009johnabraham : Let's settle issues 1 by 1
1: There is no difference regarding Finality of prophet hood between 72 sects & Ahmadi Muslims - because 72 sects also believe in coming of Prophet Isa (as) after Muhammad (saw).
2: It is WRONG to believe that Isa (as) was physically ascended to Allah & is still Physically alive & that he will come flying from sky. For proof watch this debate {watch?v=9fk8wPUIYUU}
Bring even 10% evidence of Isa (as) being still alive as compared to above video!
dawah2 8 months ago