Chopin "Piano Concerto No. 3" (Part 1-2)

[2949james]

just discovered this, I LOVE IT.

[CorelliChopin08]

well if some one of great knowledge finished Mozart's requiem, them it is only fitting that some one finish of Chopin's Last final piano concerto. =)

[Solstasis]

The piano part from 2:56 to 3:49 was not written by Chopin.

[bortkievitch]

It is true,but is a few seconds more, to 4:01. Probably is a recording played by Setrak(really awful). The only one I like is played by Michael Ponti with the O.S.Berlin conducted by Volker Schmidt Gertenbach, in a vinyl record wich I have for a long time(it is not perfect, but is acceptable). I love this piece, and I love Chopin.

[jiririji]

@Solstasis As you know it. scores have ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿

[Solstasis]

The piano part from 2:56 to 3:49 was not written by Chopin. A bastardization of the original score.

[Allegro11Maestoso]

@abidoful great analysis and insight! I thought exactly the same - it sounds as if the orchestration had been written in the 20th century by some Soundtrack composer. Chopin's orchestration would have hinted more to Mozart and been less overpowering to the piano. Maybe even quite in some more parts, with just 1 instrument dialogueing with the piano (a horn or an oboe perhaps). But the piano is definetly Chopin's, unmistakeably.

[GiovanniEMB]

This allegro de concert sound awfull without orchestra. This is nice.

[jdo33553]

It's not Chopin. I remember hearing this on radio for its premiere in 1999. The second movement was an arrangement of the c-sharp minor posth nocturne and the third movement was the bolero op 19. It was meant to be a third concerto and the first piece he would play when he returned to a free poland. Chopin had also planned on writing a double piano concerto and wrote a few bars but nothing happened from there.

[PainCakesxX]

Interesting, I've never heard of this piece before. Do you know how much of this Chopin himself completed?

[kamil3546]

Heh actually, calling that Allegro the third concerto is... It is simply allegro de concert... not a concert in fact...

[Solstasis]

@kamil3546

Chopin himself called it in one of his letters "my new Concerto" and said that it is so great, it would be the first piece he would play upon his return to Poland (which never happened).

This orchestrated version is nice, but it was Chopin's decision to implement the orchestral parts into the piano. This decision might have made it less popular, but this last essay in Concerto form cannot be disputed.

[kamil3546]

If you are right - If it is a concert ( OMG ) - it isn' t finished, Chopin didn' t write orchestra part so that version is not original... It doesn' t mean that I don' t like op.46 but formally it is NOT A CONCERT! He played both of his concertos op.11 and 21 in Poland in around 1830. Maybe his knowledge about political situation ( that he could never get back to Poland ) killed the project of third concerto...what a pity

[Chopin1986]

Oh my God... is this piece written by Chopin?

I always thought there were just two piano concertos... Thank you so much for this upload!!

[quebecois22]

@Chopin1986 There are indeed only two concerti and this 3rd one was only orchestrated from sketches and Chopin's Allegro de Concert Op. 46 in A Major... Listen to it and you'll realize that it is extremely similar to this; it is in fact the same piece... Chopin didn't like his 3rd concerto so he only published the piano parts (Op 46).

[Chopin1986]

He didn't like it? *lol*... Every composer would give his right arm if he had created this piece =)

THx for the upload!!

[samuelishmedia]

@quebecois22 It is not true about Chopin not liking his third piano concerto as it was likely never written! It is unknown as to wether or not orchestral parts (or other movements) were ever scored by Chopin himself. In 1841 he wrote a letter to a publisher offering them rights to publish his recent "Allegro maestose (of 3me concerto)" for 1000 francs. It is more than likely that Chopin never wrote the orchestral parts.

[samuelishmedia]

@quebecois22 Also, Chopin did begin work on a third concerto for two pianos and orchestra in 1831 which he said he would play with a good friend of his, but this came to nothing. Chopin spent many months working on this piece but had such great difficulty with it, that in the end of placed it to the side, with the intention of revisiting it in the future. He never did this, and the original manuscript is completely lost today, although Chopin may have used themes/ideas from this in other works.