Star Trek 12 should be Harder edged witha Less Dumbed Down story. we need Fist Fights,Ice ColdBehavior from the bad Guys and from the Good Guys. We need Captain Kirk in his Youth at his bes twith hisright Hand Man Spock at his Side on the Lookout. The Knights have to be at thei Best. The Next Generation was a Lame Substitute fo what was Best,even though it did have2 or 3 Good Characters that were Great. Only oenofthos Characters was allowed to grow anddevelop on one ofthe spin-offs. Kirk is # !
Shame they were forced to rush to the end of the Enterprise series, I was hoping for a more detailed look at the founding of the federation, they should have been able to keep the series going long enough to connect it to TOS era, see more races join up and more technologies get developed, and the earth Romulan war,
@ mrsmankk , Yup I totally agree, it was probably one of the most controversal films I have seen in a long time, the best thing about it though was I watched it free at CINE MOZ . I N F O
Captain Archer. now he sure was the most legendary. He was the one that saved Earth from the Xendi, and he must have been there during the Romulan wars. And, for the foundation of the United Federation of Planets.
Captain Kirk man. Kirk saved the federation/earth on 3 occassions in the movies alone. in TOS he saved the federation from monsters that would've eaten the whole galaxy or madmen that would've ruled the whole galaxy.
@Latterlife Captain Archer could not compare to Captain Kirk or even Captain Picard. Captain Kirk was an explorer, a diplomat, a Soldier and a superb leader all in one person. Captain Archer seemed like some washed out academy drop out by comparison. Small wonder Captain Kirk's role models were Lincoln and real Starship Commanders like Garth of Izar and Captain Pike and not Captain Archer.
Where is the music from? Who is the composer? An earlier message talked about someone Gale Revilla as a composer and the piece called "Afflictions". Nowhere I found any such title related to Gale Revilla. And while I found some pieces from Revilla, their musician's style is quite different than this. So, where is this from?
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Oh, *by the way,* Origins, I dug the vid. As people are saying, the Kirk-Pike pic was the particular highlight. I'm also *really* looking forward to your premiere episode.
Sorry it took so long to get around to saying that!
And, finally, on a non-confrontational, conversational note, since I get the sense we share the same concerns: how do *you* feel about the new movie? Been following the conversations with Orci?
Also, I *liked* TAS. Not canon by a long shot, but fun for shizzle. "Yesteryear" was great.
This started out real good, all proper and and such. And then you just squeezed some DS9 battle shots in and a little creative license took the whole thing down. Yorktown? Publicitiy shots?
Seriously, whomever made this mess had too much time on their hands, and was probably uncuffed from a basement radiator just long enough to make this WASTE OF TIME. OF ALL THE SHOWS AND FILMS EVER MADE, IT STILL BOGGLES MY F'ING MIND THAT PEOPLE REFUSE TO USE ANY PORTION OF ANY STAR TREK THEME, WHATSOEVER. WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, GET ALL EMOTIONAL AND TEARY EYED OVER THIS LIQUIDSHIT? Fucking nerds.... giving Star Trek FANS a bad name.
he was proly born and lived for a while on earth but he was croygenicaly frozen to alpha centauri so he wouldnt be to much older the journey just took many years
it is all explianed in one of the TOS episodes. i just can't remember the name of the episode off the top of my head but i have seen it.. Cochrane is human he was born on earth and later whent to alpha centauri.
"The same place you go that nonsense about Enterprise never happening, I imagine"
--At the beginning of "Enterprise," the title "based upon Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry," it should read "made up, inspired by Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry." How do you explain the glaring contradiction between "Metamorphosis" & STFC? And all the "first encounters" Kirk had, but then Archer had earlier? It's all bullshit.
"Mate, you're the kind of person who gives Trekkers a bad name"
--I've been a Trekker since before you were born. To you I'm an "O.G." Trekker. I'm one of the people who turned us from "Trekies" into "Trekkers." So I think I may know a little more about it, and have more respect for it than you, mate.
What first contacts were those? They encountered Romulans but never actually Saw one face to face. Within Canon. Not all history is recorded. How much of our history do we actually know. Some of it may be false. I respect your decision not to include Enterprise in the canon. But please respect other people's decision if they do want to include it.
"They encountered Romulans but never actually Saw one face to face"
--According to TOS Romulans didn't venture out of their territory since the end of the war. Oh, but now Archer has a major battle with them? Then there's the Gorn. And I don't know who else. But aside from Kirk, there's the Ferenghi, who Picard was the first to meet, then there's the Borg. It just goes on. It means the "Enterprise" writers were out of ideas. Then whats with the Vulcans and mind melds being taboo? What bullshit.
Well for one thing, ENT took place BEFORE the Romulan War, and as for the Gorn. It doesn't count because it was in the mirror universe. THe ferengi never revealed the name of their species. And you know how the government covers things up. Besides, the borg also did not reveal the name of their species. And as for the Vulcan Mind meld being Taboo, It wasn't by the end of the series, and who really cares?
--What are the specifics? I mean, the Earth-Romulan war predates the Federation & was fought with nukes not phasers or photon torpedoes. What do you have?
"in the mirror universe"
--Ok.
"never revealed the name of their species"
--But like the Borg in the ice a record was made. Maybe that's debatable.
"the borg also did not reveal the name of their species"
ENT also predated the Federation. Also SPock never said Nukes. He said "Primative Atomic Weapons," that does not mean NUkes. Also he said, "By Our Standards Today." And ENT did not have Phasers, it had its predecessor, Phase Cannons and Phase Pistols. Read Memory Alpha.
--Well, I could be wrong, but didn't ENT end with the signing of the charter?
"Also SPock never said Nukes. He said "Primative Atomic Weapons," that does not mean NUkes"
--Actually, "atomic" weapons means "nuclear." And actually, Spock did say "primitive nuclear weapons," meaning the kind we have in silos right now. Yes, "by our standards today" the word primitive meant nukes we have today, even the Romulan Cmdr called them "old style nuclear warheads."
Well think of it this way. Since we never saw the romulan wars, we'll never know what they would have used. And please shut up. Isn't it enough that they canceled it? I am pretty sure that what you people are saying about ENT, 40 years ago, people said the same thing about TOS.
"Since we never saw the romulan wars, we'll never know what they would have used"
--But we're told what they used, that's the point.
"40 years ago, people said the same thing about TOS"
--No, because there was no competing history to compare it to.
This is no different than the "Star Wars" debate over "miticlorians." Except that here, the creator of the franchise didn't fuck up the myth, those who took it over did.
--The idea these are predecessors to TOS phasers is TOTALLY MADE UP. They called them "phase" cannons & pistols just to sound retro. The truth is the term "phaser" is like 'maser' and 'laser,' it's an acronym. So calling something a "phase" something is totally ridiculous and counter to it's context, showing zero knowledge of what you're writing about (directed at the ENT writers).
"Read Memory Alpha"
--Its no different than books, etc. Some stuff is wrong.
Fine. I am done debating with you. The truth of the matter is this. The explanations are there. You just refuse to see them. You hate the show fine. But don't try to make others hate it. YOu keep asking people to respect opinion. Well guess what pal, Respect is a 2 way street. If you want to like a movie that is connected to another, the trick is to stop looking for flaws and just sit back and enjoy it.
Really? Phaser stands for something? Demonstrate that to me using a canon reference. Oh, wait, you can't, because there isn't one. In fact, The Making of Star Trek and the TNG Tech Manual both specifically *contradict* the notion that phaser is an acronym.
The Romulan Wars were fought before the founding of the Federation--according to production sources, sometime between 2155 and 2161. Enterprise showed the signing, but skipped those six years. Atomics were used, but ENT supports that.
"Really? Phaser stands for something? Demonstrate that to me using a canon reference"
--There is no canon reference just like there's no canon reference for a lot of things. Phasers were made up weapons BASED ON existing scientific principles & lingo in a way that seemed logical.
Re: Phasers. So... you basically decided for yourself that PHASER is an acronym. That is, you made it up in your head based on jumping to conclusions. *That's* hardly canon, and ENT can hardly be expected to live up to it.
For future reference, there is no canon explanation for "phaser," but the most widely agreed-upon non-canon explanation is that it stands for "PHASEd Energy Recitification." That's not canon, though, so the creators are beholden to NO explanation--particularly yours.
"you basically decided for yourself that PHASER is an acronym"
--Because, like most things in ST that aren't explained, it follows current science.
"based on jumping to conclusions"
--Based on science, which obviously you simply refuse to accept. It's closer to canon, probably because Roddenberry made it up based on a presumptive advancement in current technology, or based on one such suggestion from a science advisors
"Two days into filming of the second pilot, they realized that three years later people are going to say "Oh, come on, lasers can't do that" so the term was substituted due to the idea of the phasing principle of physics, that is a way of increasing power. Apparently he was talking of using higher phase velocities (aka frequencies) of light that in turn consist of higher energy photons."
"Phase velocities." Hence, phasers... and PHASE PISTOLS! The canon's against you, the non-canon is sitting there in front of your face, and yet you *insist* that your personally manufactured vision of what G.R. *must* have been thinking *must* be right, in the face of *everyone* who's worked on Star Trek since the late 1980's!
What you have is an ironclad conviction that phasers share the same naming convention as previous iterations of focused light beams, not canon.
"The Making of Star Trek and the TNG Tech Manual both specifically *contradict* the notion that phaser is an acronym."
--Books and videos are not canon.
"Atomics were used, but ENT supports that"
--Not really, It's originally implied that the nukes were their primary weaponry aboard the ships of the time. Not specifically said, I know, but implied. And I don't have a problem with the fact that the wars preceeded the Federation, but that ENT screws all that stuff up.
Re: "Books and videos are not canon." --Neither is your head, which is where most of your arguments are coming from. The written-down thoughts of the producers of Star Trek who actually invented what we're talking about versus the ravings of one Brian J. Cavanaugh? I prefer the books, even if they aren't quite canon.
"And I don't have a problem with the fact that the wars preceeded the Federation, but that ENT screws all that stuff up."
--How so? Point to a canon *FACT* ENT contradicted.
The TNG Tech Manual was written by Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda, technical advisors and artists on TNG, with a foreword by Gene Roddenberry and an afterword by Berman. The DS9 Tech Manual: Herman Zimmerman, Doug Drexler, and Rick Sternbach.
Try again.
Re: Your Head
What's in your head comes from your own obsessive and inflexible interpretation of a canon you fail to grasp after too many years entrenched in a non-canon *explanation* of canon that you made up.
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Continuing a bit: Memory Alpha cites only canon sources. It's considerably more consistent than the TV show itself.
The Vulcan mind taboo was still seriously controversial following "Kir'shara," and all we know is that the taboo was gone by the time Spock boarded the 1701.
The one thing I hate above all else in Trek fandom is the supposed "fan" who bashes Trek he doesn't like because "it breaks canon" when that fan *doesn't know canon at all!* Gene Roddenberry would have laughed at you, bjc.
Then get one thing through your head. The world does not revolve around you. You hate it fine. BUt you need to accept the fact that others may love it. Just agree to disagree. IS that too much for you?
BCW - How do you feel about the new ST movie? It seems from the trailers that they omitted the part of Kirk's youth where he was on Tarsus IV and his parents were killed by Gov. Kodos. Do you have a problem with that, or is simply okay for you?
What if they had completely left out Capt. Pike? Or Sulu or McCoy or Scott?
I'll most likely enjoy the movie, but I'll be disappointed if that's what they do.
--Memory Alpha cites only canon sources. (It notes non-canon sources in "background" and "apocrypha" sections clearly marked "non-canon"). My information didn't come from M-A; it came from my head.
Re: Taboo
--If you don't accept the disintegration of the taboo between 2154 and 2267, that's your problem. You're the one going against canon, bjc, not ENT. And, hey, imagine how many taboos have fallen between 1896 and 2009. That's the same length of time.
You're right; I shouldn't have questioned your fandom. You people do frustrate me endlessly, though, with your pale (and totally non-canon) excuses for disliking certain incarnations of the show. The only thing worse is someone who refused to watch ENT because "it looks too much like the Akira." I stand by my claim that you don't know canon, though--if you do, you're doing a mighty fine job of hiding it behind the contrivances of your own head.
--I've been a Trek fan for a long time. I recall looking in the TV guide and saying "oh, change the channel, Star Trek is on" then "Hey, it's ... ummm ... it's animated."
"you don't know canon"
--Well, when a series comes along that's hated because it's changing canon, don't be surprised if there's a bunch of TOS fans who have a different idea of canon than you do. Being a fan doesn't mean accepting any junk they toss at you just because it's new.
So far, the "contradictions" you've shown are: the Romulan timeline is wrong (it wasn't), phase pistols are IMPOSSIBLE!!! (they aren't), ENT said there were no nukes in the War (it didn't), Cochrane was born on A.Centauri (he wasn't), and taboos can never die (they do). Next you'll argue that COETF is non-canon because the Vulcan Science Directorate has shown that time travel is impossible.
If you don't like the show, fine, but leave canon out of it. ENT was loyal to it. You're not.
It never said he was from Alpha Centauri. It said he was "Of Alpha Centauri." Was Lawrence of Arabia from Arabia? Jesus of Nazareth was born in Bethlehem. Just because they say they were OF There, Doesn't mean they were BORN there.
--Ridiculous comparisons. We're talking about people from different planets. TOS has plenty of examples of travel to other planets before warp drive. Star systems were a long journey until warp drive, but they were made, just like crossing the Atlantic by sailing ship. There were even sleeper ships.
You're correct that no one ever says where he was born, but a direct implication is made in "Metamorphosis."
According to what I know it's a new fanfilm located in "The cage"'s era. It´s pre-TOS and it´s nothing to do with the new ST XI or whatever fanfilm actually in production. I´m looking forward to see it soon, it´s a great potential and covers an unexplored ST time, I hope good storylines. Thanx for your efforts and count on my supporting! :-D
This has nothing to do with the new movie. This is a TRIBUTE video to the 40th Anniversary of Star Trek and a teaser for a new internet fan film series.
The music makes me think they're taking it a little bit too seriously. Trek comes off as being WAAAAAY too important. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek, but the music makes it sound like its the cure for cancer or something
As far as the seriousness of this video, keep in mind this is a tribute video to the 40 years of Star Trek. It is intended to be a bit more serious than a regular promotional video.
I didn't write the song to sound like a cure for cancer. It was suppose to be serene, for an end sequence to an episode or scene (a Nebula)or just stargazing. Music to make one think.
My sincerest apologies Scara. It was just brought to my attention...I did not put the video together, I just uploaded it and did not think to check on that. If you would like it removed let me know...otherwise we'll be happy to credit you for the images.
I can't recall the name of the track at the moment, but it was composed by Gale Revilla, who is the official composer for Star Trek: Origins. I'll try to locate the name of it and will let you know.
Yes, this is a new independent or fan film based on Star Trek. It will be available on the internet. We are about to hold auditions and hope to have our first mini-episode out by Christmas.
Unfornitly since the end of TNG we have strayed from the path that Gene had set for us to accomodate evil and or misguided people. I hope your work will help put us back on that path
I appreciate the comment...we're working hard to get this project off the ground. We just held our first casting session earlier this month and plan to do another in a few weeks.
Great collection of scenes. I think the music goes well with the video.
hsharrott 1 year ago
Star Trek 12 should be Harder edged witha Less Dumbed Down story. we need Fist Fights,Ice ColdBehavior from the bad Guys and from the Good Guys. We need Captain Kirk in his Youth at his bes twith hisright Hand Man Spock at his Side on the Lookout. The Knights have to be at thei Best. The Next Generation was a Lame Substitute fo what was Best,even though it did have2 or 3 Good Characters that were Great. Only oenofthos Characters was allowed to grow anddevelop on one ofthe spin-offs. Kirk is # !
Roadracer987654321 1 year ago
Shame they were forced to rush to the end of the Enterprise series, I was hoping for a more detailed look at the founding of the federation, they should have been able to keep the series going long enough to connect it to TOS era, see more races join up and more technologies get developed, and the earth Romulan war,
katakisLives 1 year ago
@katakisLives Well, UPN was half dead as it was when Enterprise was cancelled.
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@ mrsmankk , Yup I totally agree, it was probably one of the most controversal films I have seen in a long time, the best thing about it though was I watched it free at CINE MOZ . I N F O
Beverleysergentw 2 years ago
Captain Archer. now he sure was the most legendary. He was the one that saved Earth from the Xendi, and he must have been there during the Romulan wars. And, for the foundation of the United Federation of Planets.
Latterlife 2 years ago
Captain Kirk man. Kirk saved the federation/earth on 3 occassions in the movies alone. in TOS he saved the federation from monsters that would've eaten the whole galaxy or madmen that would've ruled the whole galaxy.
MrHoppers002 2 years ago 3
@Latterlife Captain Archer could not compare to Captain Kirk or even Captain Picard. Captain Kirk was an explorer, a diplomat, a Soldier and a superb leader all in one person. Captain Archer seemed like some washed out academy drop out by comparison. Small wonder Captain Kirk's role models were Lincoln and real Starship Commanders like Garth of Izar and Captain Pike and not Captain Archer.
LtRacjack12 3 months ago
USS Yorktown? Which series is that from? I don't think I saw that ever in the TNG or DS9 or Voyager or Enterprise.
CplCentaur 2 years ago
USS Yorktown was theoriginal name for the enterprise. It later appeared in the episode with M5 and also in a scene in ST4
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darkaosone 2 years ago
I really liked the photo of Kirk and Pike together.
mandrake2273 2 years ago 6
Where is the music from? Who is the composer? An earlier message talked about someone Gale Revilla as a composer and the piece called "Afflictions". Nowhere I found any such title related to Gale Revilla. And while I found some pieces from Revilla, their musician's style is quite different than this. So, where is this from?
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The light from a night time sky draws all of your inner strength to your heart. The charioteer represents and brings to you courage, take it in. One must seek courage only when it is needed and therefore concentrate upon these cards only in those times as well.
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aprilspl 2 years ago
this music is awesome
CryoR4G3 2 years ago
Yes but where is it from???!!
JediPaladin 2 years ago
@KyTrekker: very good!!
ICannnot 3 years ago
cant we all just get along?
regardless of how good a trek series was i loved em all and will continue being a Loyal Trekkie
smitto21 3 years ago
Oh, *by the way,* Origins, I dug the vid. As people are saying, the Kirk-Pike pic was the particular highlight. I'm also *really* looking forward to your premiere episode.
Sorry it took so long to get around to saying that!
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
And, finally, on a non-confrontational, conversational note, since I get the sense we share the same concerns: how do *you* feel about the new movie? Been following the conversations with Orci?
Also, I *liked* TAS. Not canon by a long shot, but fun for shizzle. "Yesteryear" was great.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
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delicatensexxydoll52 3 years ago
R.I.P. Gene Roddenberry 1927-1991
startrekgamer 3 years ago
Nice. The pic of Kirk & Pike together is one the nost imaginative photoshops I've ever seen. Nice job, KyTrekker
nary4d4 3 years ago
!!!!!GRAND Video!!!!!
Sortilegio1000 3 years ago
great STAR TREK!!
ampierini 3 years ago
Kirk & Archer are the best :D
danibwr 3 years ago
well done
JP
jamminpawpaw 3 years ago
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Bastellieschen 3 years ago
Wow... Why all the hate? Its just a fan video. If this is the way KyTrekker sees ST and wants to express it then thats fine. Give him a break.
flutemelodytwister 3 years ago
If it's a fan video you shouldn't use the word "trailer". That's misleading.
Drower 3 years ago
quite possibly the worst trek tribute ive seen for years, especially that fan model at the end, made me sick!
MrDobilina 3 years ago
your face also has that affect on people take it easy
barkerfmx 3 years ago
What exactly was this a "teaser trailer" for, anyway?
That was just...bad.
TimeBombTown 3 years ago
whats this music?
SixSigma1978 3 years ago
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christ what a piece of shit. I love trek, but some of you need to back away from the computers and GET SOME SUN.
Jeeez.
And what the fuck was that "Yorktown" crap tossed in there? Your own JUNK?
TheRealBelcher 3 years ago
THANKYOU. god, someone had to say that
bowyer56 3 years ago
I'm kinda disappointed.
This started out real good, all proper and and such. And then you just squeezed some DS9 battle shots in and a little creative license took the whole thing down. Yorktown? Publicitiy shots?
Meh.
KitFox21187 3 years ago 2
what about poor Captain Bob April? Pike served under him back in the 2240s and 2250s.
treker2379 3 years ago
He's the captain and main character in this webseries. check 'cast' in their official website startrekorigins(dot)com
Nice stuff and looking forward your first webisodes!!
sikileia 3 years ago
wasnt it commander christopher pike on the original.
like yourselves , loved the series, have all the films and books.
think Gene's original title/script was : " wagon train to the stars",
thanks for posting the video,
YJ
yortonjunction 3 years ago
I miss Star Trek
nxman77 3 years ago 6
very good
videoRg 3 years ago
That last picture of Kirk and Pike together was cool.
chris14S 3 years ago
Nostalgia + Windows Movie Maker + Yanni music = Bad Idea
duman8 3 years ago 27
It would be cool to do TOS theme with slow piano music.
duskwalker2 3 years ago
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Seriously, whomever made this mess had too much time on their hands, and was probably uncuffed from a basement radiator just long enough to make this WASTE OF TIME. OF ALL THE SHOWS AND FILMS EVER MADE, IT STILL BOGGLES MY F'ING MIND THAT PEOPLE REFUSE TO USE ANY PORTION OF ANY STAR TREK THEME, WHATSOEVER. WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO, GET ALL EMOTIONAL AND TEARY EYED OVER THIS LIQUIDSHIT? Fucking nerds.... giving Star Trek FANS a bad name.
TheRealBelcher 3 years ago
LOL
THE74MALDITO 3 years ago
you give Star Trek FANS a bad name ass hole
gazzbeef 3 years ago
junk.
TheRealBelcher 3 years ago
yeah - I almost started to cry.
BuzzyFredrick 3 years ago
That's IT?! That's all they're going to show?! What is this? Is this a game, a show? What is it?
thedavecorp 3 years ago
If you read the info next to the video you'd know.
majormagna 3 years ago
The best of the luck with this project, i cant wait to see it!! LLP
carlosmerchito 3 years ago
So that's where the Quantum Leap guy jumped to in the finale...whoda thunkit.
TheColoradoan 4 years ago
ive seen every star trek ever made, but i like the origonals
wowdudezz 4 years ago
I wanna go with them>??
lee5458 4 years ago
that was the worce crap i've ever Seen. 0/5
freakfreak12345 4 years ago
Everything involved with "Enterprise" never happened. Also, STFC is wrong, Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, not Earth.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago
he was proly born and lived for a while on earth but he was croygenicaly frozen to alpha centauri so he wouldnt be to much older the journey just took many years
sgacabouse 4 years ago
"but he was croygenicaly frozen to alpha centauri so he wouldnt be to much older the journey just took many years"
--And you got that from......where?
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago 2
it is all explianed in one of the TOS episodes. i just can't remember the name of the episode off the top of my head but i have seen it.. Cochrane is human he was born on earth and later whent to alpha centauri.
BXV2 4 years ago
"it is all explianed in one of the TOS episodes. i just can't remember the name"
--It's called "Metamorphosis."
"Cochrane is human he was born on earth and later whent to alpha centauri"
--Wrong. It's the other way around. He was from Alpha Centauri, then went to Earth. Please, neither of you have a leg to stand on with this one.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago 2
That is correct.
SycoMunkee13 4 years ago
The same place you go that nonsense about Enterprise never happening, I imagine.
lehah 4 years ago
"The same place you go that nonsense about Enterprise never happening, I imagine"
--At the beginning of "Enterprise," the title "based upon Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry," it should read "made up, inspired by Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry." How do you explain the glaring contradiction between "Metamorphosis" & STFC? And all the "first encounters" Kirk had, but then Archer had earlier? It's all bullshit.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago
Mate, you're the kind of person who gives Trekkers a bad name.
PetrosofSparta 4 years ago
"Mate, you're the kind of person who gives Trekkers a bad name"
--I've been a Trekker since before you were born. To you I'm an "O.G." Trekker. I'm one of the people who turned us from "Trekies" into "Trekkers." So I think I may know a little more about it, and have more respect for it than you, mate.
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago
It's "Trekkie", Roddenberry himself called fans of star Trek are Trekkies. Please stop with this "Trekker" crap it's just annoying.
cyborgpirateninjajc 4 years ago
"Roddenberry himself called fans of star Trek are Trekkies"
--1. He didn't coin the term. 2. We changed it. 3. Personally, I prefer "Star Trek fan."
brianjcavanaugh 4 years ago 3
My grand caravan is a constipation class cruiser
BuzzyFredrick 3 years ago
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Wish I could giv eyou 1701 thumbs up!
TheRealBelcher 3 years ago
What first contacts were those? They encountered Romulans but never actually Saw one face to face. Within Canon. Not all history is recorded. How much of our history do we actually know. Some of it may be false. I respect your decision not to include Enterprise in the canon. But please respect other people's decision if they do want to include it.
eagle219406 3 years ago
"They encountered Romulans but never actually Saw one face to face"
--According to TOS Romulans didn't venture out of their territory since the end of the war. Oh, but now Archer has a major battle with them? Then there's the Gorn. And I don't know who else. But aside from Kirk, there's the Ferenghi, who Picard was the first to meet, then there's the Borg. It just goes on. It means the "Enterprise" writers were out of ideas. Then whats with the Vulcans and mind melds being taboo? What bullshit.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Well for one thing, ENT took place BEFORE the Romulan War, and as for the Gorn. It doesn't count because it was in the mirror universe. THe ferengi never revealed the name of their species. And you know how the government covers things up. Besides, the borg also did not reveal the name of their species. And as for the Vulcan Mind meld being Taboo, It wasn't by the end of the series, and who really cares?
eagle219406 3 years ago
"ENT took place BEFORE the Romulan War"
--What are the specifics? I mean, the Earth-Romulan war predates the Federation & was fought with nukes not phasers or photon torpedoes. What do you have?
"in the mirror universe"
--Ok.
"never revealed the name of their species"
--But like the Borg in the ice a record was made. Maybe that's debatable.
"the borg also did not reveal the name of their species"
--Bunk.
"It wasn't by the end of the series"
--Pretty quick for a major cultural change.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
ENT also predated the Federation. Also SPock never said Nukes. He said "Primative Atomic Weapons," that does not mean NUkes. Also he said, "By Our Standards Today." And ENT did not have Phasers, it had its predecessor, Phase Cannons and Phase Pistols. Read Memory Alpha.
eagle219406 3 years ago
"ENT also predated the Federation"
--Well, I could be wrong, but didn't ENT end with the signing of the charter?
"Also SPock never said Nukes. He said "Primative Atomic Weapons," that does not mean NUkes"
--Actually, "atomic" weapons means "nuclear." And actually, Spock did say "primitive nuclear weapons," meaning the kind we have in silos right now. Yes, "by our standards today" the word primitive meant nukes we have today, even the Romulan Cmdr called them "old style nuclear warheads."
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Well think of it this way. Since we never saw the romulan wars, we'll never know what they would have used. And please shut up. Isn't it enough that they canceled it? I am pretty sure that what you people are saying about ENT, 40 years ago, people said the same thing about TOS.
eagle219406 3 years ago
"Since we never saw the romulan wars, we'll never know what they would have used"
--But we're told what they used, that's the point.
"40 years ago, people said the same thing about TOS"
--No, because there was no competing history to compare it to.
This is no different than the "Star Wars" debate over "miticlorians." Except that here, the creator of the franchise didn't fuck up the myth, those who took it over did.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
"Phase Cannons and Phase Pistols"
--The idea these are predecessors to TOS phasers is TOTALLY MADE UP. They called them "phase" cannons & pistols just to sound retro. The truth is the term "phaser" is like 'maser' and 'laser,' it's an acronym. So calling something a "phase" something is totally ridiculous and counter to it's context, showing zero knowledge of what you're writing about (directed at the ENT writers).
"Read Memory Alpha"
--Its no different than books, etc. Some stuff is wrong.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Fine. I am done debating with you. The truth of the matter is this. The explanations are there. You just refuse to see them. You hate the show fine. But don't try to make others hate it. YOu keep asking people to respect opinion. Well guess what pal, Respect is a 2 way street. If you want to like a movie that is connected to another, the trick is to stop looking for flaws and just sit back and enjoy it.
eagle219406 3 years ago
"Fine. I am done debating with you"
--If I won the argument, just say so.
"the trick is to stop looking for flaws and just sit back and enjoy it."
--All I'm asking is for them to do it right, not feed us bullshit and tell us to like it that way.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Really? Phaser stands for something? Demonstrate that to me using a canon reference. Oh, wait, you can't, because there isn't one. In fact, The Making of Star Trek and the TNG Tech Manual both specifically *contradict* the notion that phaser is an acronym.
The Romulan Wars were fought before the founding of the Federation--according to production sources, sometime between 2155 and 2161. Enterprise showed the signing, but skipped those six years. Atomics were used, but ENT supports that.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"Really? Phaser stands for something? Demonstrate that to me using a canon reference"
--There is no canon reference just like there's no canon reference for a lot of things. Phasers were made up weapons BASED ON existing scientific principles & lingo in a way that seemed logical.
LASER = l(ightwave) a(mplification by) s(timulated) e(mission of) r(adiation)
MASER = m(icrowave) a(mplification by) s(timulated) e(mission of) r(adiation)
PHASER = the next step, somehow involving "photons."
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: Phasers. So... you basically decided for yourself that PHASER is an acronym. That is, you made it up in your head based on jumping to conclusions. *That's* hardly canon, and ENT can hardly be expected to live up to it.
For future reference, there is no canon explanation for "phaser," but the most widely agreed-upon non-canon explanation is that it stands for "PHASEd Energy Recitification." That's not canon, though, so the creators are beholden to NO explanation--particularly yours.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"you basically decided for yourself that PHASER is an acronym"
--Because, like most things in ST that aren't explained, it follows current science.
"based on jumping to conclusions"
--Based on science, which obviously you simply refuse to accept. It's closer to canon, probably because Roddenberry made it up based on a presumptive advancement in current technology, or based on one such suggestion from a science advisors
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Okay, I'll try it your way.
From the Making of Star Trek:
"Two days into filming of the second pilot, they realized that three years later people are going to say "Oh, come on, lasers can't do that" so the term was substituted due to the idea of the phasing principle of physics, that is a way of increasing power. Apparently he was talking of using higher phase velocities (aka frequencies) of light that in turn consist of higher energy photons."
Photons. Hence, PHASER.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: Making of Star Trek
"Phase velocities." Hence, phasers... and PHASE PISTOLS! The canon's against you, the non-canon is sitting there in front of your face, and yet you *insist* that your personally manufactured vision of what G.R. *must* have been thinking *must* be right, in the face of *everyone* who's worked on Star Trek since the late 1980's!
What you have is an ironclad conviction that phasers share the same naming convention as previous iterations of focused light beams, not canon.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"The Making of Star Trek and the TNG Tech Manual both specifically *contradict* the notion that phaser is an acronym."
--Books and videos are not canon.
"Atomics were used, but ENT supports that"
--Not really, It's originally implied that the nukes were their primary weaponry aboard the ships of the time. Not specifically said, I know, but implied. And I don't have a problem with the fact that the wars preceeded the Federation, but that ENT screws all that stuff up.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: "Books and videos are not canon." --Neither is your head, which is where most of your arguments are coming from. The written-down thoughts of the producers of Star Trek who actually invented what we're talking about versus the ravings of one Brian J. Cavanaugh? I prefer the books, even if they aren't quite canon.
"And I don't have a problem with the fact that the wars preceeded the Federation, but that ENT screws all that stuff up."
--How so? Point to a canon *FACT* ENT contradicted.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"Neither is your head, which is where most of your arguments are coming from"
--What's in my head comes from the episodes & movies, except of course from ENT and STFC.
"I prefer the books, even if they aren't quite canon"
--The producers don't write "tech manuals" published by Paramount.
"How so? Point to a canon *FACT* ENT contradicted"
--Again? On top of what I've already written?
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: Tech Manual authorship
The TNG Tech Manual was written by Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda, technical advisors and artists on TNG, with a foreword by Gene Roddenberry and an afterword by Berman. The DS9 Tech Manual: Herman Zimmerman, Doug Drexler, and Rick Sternbach.
Try again.
Re: Your Head
What's in your head comes from your own obsessive and inflexible interpretation of a canon you fail to grasp after too many years entrenched in a non-canon *explanation* of canon that you made up.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
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aprilspl 2 years ago
Continuing a bit: Memory Alpha cites only canon sources. It's considerably more consistent than the TV show itself.
The Vulcan mind taboo was still seriously controversial following "Kir'shara," and all we know is that the taboo was gone by the time Spock boarded the 1701.
The one thing I hate above all else in Trek fandom is the supposed "fan" who bashes Trek he doesn't like because "it breaks canon" when that fan *doesn't know canon at all!* Gene Roddenberry would have laughed at you, bjc.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"Memory Alpha cites only canon sources"
--Apparently not if it's citing tech manuals & books "authorized by Paramount" (code for "incorrect" in my experience).
"the taboo was gone by the time Spock boarded the 1701"
--Making the original taboo unbelievable.
"supposed "fan" who bashes Trek he doesn't like because "it breaks canon" when that fan *doesn't know canon at all!*"
--I'm not a "supposed" fan I'm a real one. And I know ST canon. You just don't those who resist the changing of it.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Then get one thing through your head. The world does not revolve around you. You hate it fine. BUt you need to accept the fact that others may love it. Just agree to disagree. IS that too much for you?
eagle219406 3 years ago
BCW - How do you feel about the new ST movie? It seems from the trailers that they omitted the part of Kirk's youth where he was on Tarsus IV and his parents were killed by Gov. Kodos. Do you have a problem with that, or is simply okay for you?
What if they had completely left out Capt. Pike? Or Sulu or McCoy or Scott?
I'll most likely enjoy the movie, but I'll be disappointed if that's what they do.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: Memory Alpha
--Memory Alpha cites only canon sources. (It notes non-canon sources in "background" and "apocrypha" sections clearly marked "non-canon"). My information didn't come from M-A; it came from my head.
Re: Taboo
--If you don't accept the disintegration of the taboo between 2154 and 2267, that's your problem. You're the one going against canon, bjc, not ENT. And, hey, imagine how many taboos have fallen between 1896 and 2009. That's the same length of time.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
Re: "Supposed Fan"
You're right; I shouldn't have questioned your fandom. You people do frustrate me endlessly, though, with your pale (and totally non-canon) excuses for disliking certain incarnations of the show. The only thing worse is someone who refused to watch ENT because "it looks too much like the Akira." I stand by my claim that you don't know canon, though--if you do, you're doing a mighty fine job of hiding it behind the contrivances of your own head.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
"I shouldn't have questioned your fandom"
--I've been a Trek fan for a long time. I recall looking in the TV guide and saying "oh, change the channel, Star Trek is on" then "Hey, it's ... ummm ... it's animated."
"you don't know canon"
--Well, when a series comes along that's hated because it's changing canon, don't be surprised if there's a bunch of TOS fans who have a different idea of canon than you do. Being a fan doesn't mean accepting any junk they toss at you just because it's new.
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
Re: ENT
So far, the "contradictions" you've shown are: the Romulan timeline is wrong (it wasn't), phase pistols are IMPOSSIBLE!!! (they aren't), ENT said there were no nukes in the War (it didn't), Cochrane was born on A.Centauri (he wasn't), and taboos can never die (they do). Next you'll argue that COETF is non-canon because the Vulcan Science Directorate has shown that time travel is impossible.
If you don't like the show, fine, but leave canon out of it. ENT was loyal to it. You're not.
BCSWowbagger 3 years ago
You sent this to the wrong guy man. I loved ENT and was not contradicting it. You need to send it to Branjcavanaugh.
eagle219406 3 years ago
It never said he was from Alpha Centauri. It said he was "Of Alpha Centauri." Was Lawrence of Arabia from Arabia? Jesus of Nazareth was born in Bethlehem. Just because they say they were OF There, Doesn't mean they were BORN there.
eagle219406 3 years ago
"Was Lawrence of Arabia from Arabia?"
"Jesus of Nazareth was born in Bethlehem"
--Ridiculous comparisons. We're talking about people from different planets. TOS has plenty of examples of travel to other planets before warp drive. Star systems were a long journey until warp drive, but they were made, just like crossing the Atlantic by sailing ship. There were even sleeper ships.
You're correct that no one ever says where he was born, but a direct implication is made in "Metamorphosis."
brianjcavanaugh 3 years ago
wtf is this
randal655321 4 years ago
your mums brain
trimi38 4 years ago
Not very much about anything but something coming in 2007 with scenes from the original series. Hmmmm
scifiguy120 4 years ago
According to what I know it's a new fanfilm located in "The cage"'s era. It´s pre-TOS and it´s nothing to do with the new ST XI or whatever fanfilm actually in production. I´m looking forward to see it soon, it´s a great potential and covers an unexplored ST time, I hope good storylines. Thanx for your efforts and count on my supporting! :-D
angelaeurofan 4 years ago
You had to bring "Enterprise" into the loop? A show where even the producers said that they never watched all the original series episodes? Sheesh.
Kalaida 4 years ago
I believe it's a music superb, unique and it's a special Trek touch.
A lot of the best pieces of ST have also a tempo slow and solemn like this one. Gale's the new Goldsmith of ST! ;-)
sikileia 4 years ago
This has nothing to do with the new movie. This is a TRIBUTE video to the 40th Anniversary of Star Trek and a teaser for a new internet fan film series.
KyTrekker 5 years ago
this is not a series it is the possible next movie i think
episilion 5 years ago
The music makes me think they're taking it a little bit too seriously. Trek comes off as being WAAAAAY too important. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek, but the music makes it sound like its the cure for cancer or something
WinZiggy 5 years ago
LOL! :-)
earthacademy 5 years ago
As far as the seriousness of this video, keep in mind this is a tribute video to the 40 years of Star Trek. It is intended to be a bit more serious than a regular promotional video.
KyTrekker 5 years ago
I didn't write the song to sound like a cure for cancer. It was suppose to be serene, for an end sequence to an episode or scene (a Nebula)or just stargazing. Music to make one think.
galerevilla 4 years ago
Really liked the Kirk and Pike shot.
ultramenace 5 years ago
Yeah, I like that shot myself...looks great doesn't it!
KyTrekker 5 years ago
Is there a new show coming out? Please I must know asap!!
tnsxbdyc 5 years ago
The music track which is heard in the video, it's "afflictions" by N.A. composer Gale Revilla.
sikileia 5 years ago
What time period of Star Trek?
zeelog1 5 years ago
This series is set in the early 23rd Century - 2235 to be exact.
KyTrekker 5 years ago
The next time you use some of my graphics I'dd like you to ask permission first. (Those shots with the enterprise look alike labelled 'scara')
scara1701 5 years ago
My sincerest apologies Scara. It was just brought to my attention...I did not put the video together, I just uploaded it and did not think to check on that. If you would like it removed let me know...otherwise we'll be happy to credit you for the images.
Again..my apologies!
KyTrekker 5 years ago
Republican credits will be fine ;)
scara1701 5 years ago
You got it!!
KyTrekker 5 years ago
What is the audio track to this video?
Lorandun 5 years ago
I can't recall the name of the track at the moment, but it was composed by Gale Revilla, who is the official composer for Star Trek: Origins. I'll try to locate the name of it and will let you know.
KyTrekker 5 years ago
Hmm, is this some kinds of new ST?
trevgoodchild 5 years ago
Yes, this is a new independent or fan film based on Star Trek. It will be available on the internet. We are about to hold auditions and hope to have our first mini-episode out by Christmas.
KyTrekker 5 years ago
Unfornitly since the end of TNG we have strayed from the path that Gene had set for us to accomodate evil and or misguided people. I hope your work will help put us back on that path
Omagared359 5 years ago
I appreciate the comment...we're working hard to get this project off the ground. We just held our first casting session earlier this month and plan to do another in a few weeks.
KyTrekker 5 years ago