i like how in ECW they just chanced the name to whoever was performing it at the time, ignoring that frankensteiner was obviously a play on the steiner name... mike whipwreck was called the FRANKENMIKEY which made almost less sense than when beulah mcgillicuddys hit one on fonzi and styles called it a BUELAHCANRANA
It's Avalanche Frankensteiner, because a hurracanrana ends in a pinning clutch. The "-rana" part is even the name of the clutch, when they sit on their face/chest and grab their legs for the pin(like Rey Mysterio does).
WILL EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP! I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WHAT IT SHOULD BE CALLED! FRANKENSTEINER OR HURRICANRANNA! BUT THIS ARGUEMENT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS! WHY ARE YOU BOTH SO FUCKING OBSESSED WITH WHAT ITS CALED! SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!!!!! Next person who comments an arguement about what it should be called is getting blocked.
I always think that the performer of the Frankensteiner always performs a part of the flip before their legs go around the opponents head which is quite opposite to the regular Hurricanrana but Scotty didn't do it in that video.
Another difference is that it seems like when the performer goes for the Frankensteiner the low bit of their legs are the parts that grabs the opponent and Scott did that to an extent in that video so I think that's what spilts a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana.
It actually was a hurricanrana and not a frankensteiner because the frankensteiner is a move where the opponent falls on his head and knocks him out. Basically, the frankensteiner is like a DDT with your legs. A hurricanrana is a move that just throws the opponent across the ring. It is like a throw. So I disagree with Tenay.
@jfearless1 I was always under the impression that a 'Frankensteiner' was simply a hurracanrana executed from the top rope...basically a Super Hurracanrana.
I know the variant you're talking about though. Frightmare does it fairly often and calls it the Frightensteiner, though I'm not sure if that's the generally accepted term.
@jfearless1 It's a frankensteiner but from the top rope. The guy's head can't hit the mat since there is still too much distance due to the height. Stop being anal, seriously. You're one of those people who thinks they right when they wrong very often (yet don't realize it) aren't you?
@motleyhar Just to put things in perspective I am 32 years old so I remember watching Scott Steiner when he and his brother Rick were a tag team in WCW called the Steiner brothers. They had two moves named after them. One was the frankensteiner and the other was the Steinerline which was just a really powerful clothesline. Scott would Irish whip his opponent against the ropes and then catch him in a hurricanrana like move but instead of flipping the opponent the way Rey Misterio does...
@motleyhar ...Scott would hold onto his opponent's head between his thighs and drive his head into the mat. After the move is perfectly executed Scott would end up sitting on his opponents chest and pin him as he lies unconscious on the mat. That is the frankensteiner. If he just flips the opponent in that move then it is just a hurricanrana. I don't know you are so upset about it. I am just being technical, not anal.
@jfearless1 Again, I revert back to the fact that he is so high up. Also, "I don't know you are so upset" makes no sense. What were you trying to say? Did you mean to put a "why" in there? Lastly, I am glad you used the term "perfectly executed." Is this a perfectly executed Frankensteiner? Hell no, it's not 1991 anymore and he is way higher than normal. Thank's for pointing that out to assist my stance, I appreciate it.
@motleyhar Yes I was supposed to put a why in that sentence and the point is that a frankensteiner can never be done on the ropes. It is a move that is strictly done on the mat. If it is done on the ropes, then it is a hurricanrana. There is no variation to the frankensteiner. It is only done in one way which is both wrestlers on the mat.
@jfearless1 Actually no Scott Steiner came up with this move and its a Frankensteiner and he cussed out a interviewer recently for it lol ... so you go find scott and tell him he's wrong and lemme know how it works out for ya lol...
@mywotzone I never said that Scott Steiner didn't make up the frankensteiner. I am not sure where you are getting that from my threads. The thing is that a frankensteiner by how Scott does it always involves an opponent coming off the ropes and Scott wrapping his thighs around the guys head and flipping the guy over so that his head hits the mat. The way he is doing it in this video is not done in that way. A hurricanrana and a frankensteiner are not the same move. They look very similar.
@mywotzone The difference between a hurricanrana and a frankensteiner is that a hurricanrana is meant to throw an opponent across the ring. The opponent is thrown and he lands on his back. The person doing this move basically lets go of his opponent. While as with a frankensteiner the opponent's head hits the mat and the person doing the move does not let go of his opponent. I bet you thought they were the same move but with different names ie the sharpshooter and the SDL. They aren't.
@mywotzone Type in Frankensteiner in the youtube search engine. THAT is a frankensteiner. Notice how Scott wraps his thighs around the guys head and flips so that the guys head hits the mat? He ends up sitting on the guy. He would often do this in matches and pin the guy that way. If you see a wrestler do this move but he lets go and the other guy goes flying, then THAT is a hurricanrana. If you want to see a hurricanrana type in Lita or Rey Misterio Jr doing a hurricanrana.
@mywotzone Okay I was able to find the video you posted to me. It is obvious that Scott is ignorant of the differences between the two moves. His is a driver and the hurricanrana is a throw. I would rather be hurricanrana-ed then frankensteiner-ed. I, of course, would request Lita. I do understand why some people find the two moves confusing since they look very similar but they are different. No I wouldn't tell him that to his face not because of fear rather because he would just yell
@mywotzone and try to intimidate me. I would be annoyed and in order to avoid any conflict because I am a peaceful person, I would just fine or whatever. People are just ignorant.
@mywotzone and try to intimidate me. I would be annoyed and in order to avoid any conflict because I am a peaceful person, I would just say fine or whatever. People are just ignorant.
@jfearless1 fuck that....if scott steiner does it...it's a frankensteiner. He can do it whatever which way he wants to and say it's a frankensteiner and nobody could say shit about it.
@jfearless1 hell, if he wanted to. Chris Jericho does a Boston Crab and calls it "The Walls of Jericho". Batista did a sit down powerbomb and called it the "Batista Bomb". So sure, if Scott Steiner wanted to do a moonsault and call it a frankensteiner then sure. In fact, here's a quote directly from his web site "Originator of the Frankensteiner, a move now commonly known as the huracanrana." Sooo umm...yeah, you were wrong to begin with because they are the same move haha
@kruunk1 You make good points. However, the walls of jericho and the batista bomb are nicknames for already established and named moves. For example, Chris Masters calls his full nelson the masterlock, but it is still a full nelson. The frankensteiner was invented and the very first of its kind so you cannot call it anything other than a frankensteiner. A huracanrana looks like it except it is a throw instead of a driver. I am not wrong. The creator of his website is an ignorant moron.
@jfearless1 If I'm remembering correctly (always possible I have things confused) Steiner called it a Frankensteiner instead of Hurricanrana and got really combative about it during his heel turn. I honestly think the name stuck with it as a signature move of Steiner's...kind of like the Steiner Screwdriver and the Steinerline.
@JVitolo I agree. The frankensteiner was invented by Scott Steiner long before the hurracanrana was the now more popular title. I think that is why Scott is so pissed off about it. My theory is that when the WWE/WWF had guys doing the move they didn't have Scott Steiner and didn't want to acknowledge him since he was in WCW so they referred to anything resembing the move a hurracanrana. It is the reason why WWE called Bret's move the sharpshooter instead of the Scorpion Deathlock.
@kruunk1 HBlockx has a video simply entitled Frankensteiner. Scott is doing this move when he was really young. He drives the guy's head into the mat. The guy isn't being flung from one side of the ring to the other.
@jfearless1 doesn't matter. If big show lifts someone way over his head and slams someone from that point to the mat doing a chokeslam, it would still be a chokeslam if he lifted him up to his shoulders. You can do a move a little bit differently every time. The Frankensteiner is just another word for hurricanrana.
@kruunk1 True. However, in both versions of the Big Shows chokeslams the same areas of the human anatomy are affected namely the head, neck, and shoulders. With the frankensteiner the head is affected and with the hurricanrana the back is affected. One is a knockout move and the other is a throw. A frankensteiner is like a piledriver and the hurrancanrana is like a bodyslam. How are those the same move? It is like saying the styles clash is a piledriver simply because they look the same.
@jfearless1 they are the same move because The guy who originated the move even says it's also known as the hurricanrana, that's how they are the same ha.
@kruunk1 That is because Scott Steiner is a jealous moron. The term hurracanrana or hurricanrana (it is spelled both ways) is more popular than Frankensteiner. In 20 years no one will even remember that there was a move invented by some guy named Scott Steiner called a Frankensteiner. Everyone will say Hurricanrana. Scott knows that and wants to somehow make sure everyone knows he invented the move even though they are actually different moves. I guess we will agree to disagree.
@jfearless1 Actually it is a Frankensteiner as it's Scott Steiner that's performing the move and Scott Steiner that named it that. A Frankensteiner ends with the recipient being thrown onto their back, not their head. It's a form of headscissors takedown. A huracanrana (the correct spelling) ends in a pinning position.
@cerberus3838 If Bret Hart were to do a Texas Clover leaf in a match and call it the sharpshooter it wouldn't make it a sharpshooter. The main difference between the frankensteiner and the hurricanrana is that you don't let go of your opponent's head when you do a frankensteiner. That results in you driving the opponent's head in the mat like the DDT and allowing you to be on top in a pinning position. Lita and Chyna both did the hurricanrana w/o landing in a pinning position.
@jfearless1 I don't mean to be a troll, but it's an odd argument considering that Bret Hart took the scorpion hold (translated from Japanese) and named it the sharpshooter to fit his hitman gimmick. Lita and Chyna only performed headscissor takedowns not huracanranas, WWE/F commentators are shockingly ignorant and often get the move names wrong. Huracan comes from Huracán Ramírez and 'rana' means double leg cradle, in this case a pin. So the one in the video is definitely not a huracanrana.
@cerberus3838 You are incorrect about Lita and chyna only doing head scissor take downs. Type in either of their names doing a hurricanrana and you will find them doing the same move that Scott Steiner is doing in this video. Well, the frankensteiner was also into a pin after Scott would drive the person's head into the mat. Double leg cradle doesn't necessarily mean pin. It just indicates what the legs are doing in the move. A head scissor take down is when the person's head is trapped
@cerberus3838 between the person's calf muscles not thighs and the person is to the side of his or her opponent not right in front of them. I don't think anyone on this thread will agree with you that Lita and Chyna didn't do hurricanranas. You didn't like the bret example. Okay how about this one: Scott Steiner calling this move that he did in this video a frankensteiner would be like Jake the Snake roberts doing a suplex and calling it a DDT.
@jfearless1 I checked out Lita's moves and not one was a huracanrana, they were all headscissors. Bear in mind that headscissors is a generic term, like e.g. suplex, and there are many types: Frankensteiners and huracanranas are all specific types of headscissors. Scott Steiner calls it a frankensteiner because he innovated this move and he can call it what he likes so that is what it is, he didn't rename it from something else. There's also a version performed against a running opponent.
@cerberus3838 Well based on your definition of a huracanrana it is only a headscissor take down into a pin? I know that Rey Misterio used to use that as his finisher. He would be outside the ring, fling himself off the top rop and do a huracanrana into a pin. However, I don't know where you would go to get that as being the sole definition of a huracanrana. A huracanrana to me is when the opponent wraps his thigh muscles around your head so that your face is in his or her crotch and then
@jfearless1 Yes, the definition of a hurucanrana is a headscissors into a rana (double leg cradle). And yes Rey Mysterio did/does use this. I got my definition of this move from following wrestling history from allo ver the world. As I said before WWE commentators are incredibly ignorant/stupid so you cannot just take their definitions as gospel. I'm curious,where did you get your definition from?
@cerberus3838 wrestling history all over the world? So you went to many countries and you obviously must speak many languages since Japanese commentators speak Japanese, Mexican commentators speak Spanish, etc etc. Realistically I think you get your definitions the same way I get mine except you throw in your own interpretation and I throw in my interpretation. I don't necessarily think you are wrong. I think we are hammering down the definitions and distinctions among wrestling moves.
@cerberus3838 you are flung into the air and you land on the mat. That is my understanding. I would see what you are describing as a "huracanrana into a pin combination" not as a huracanrana much the same way I would see a fisherman's suplex as a suplex into a pin combination and not as just a suplex. A huracanrana is not a type of head scissors. A headscissor takedown is only done when the person's head is trapped below the other person's knees not above. Furthermore, the frankensteiner
@jfearless1 And now you claim that a hurucanrana is not a type of headscissors takedown. Ridiculous! I think you're missing the point, any headscissors involves the opponents head being trapped between the legs and thrown to the floor. It can be a spinning headscissors (which I think you may be referring to), a hurucanrana or something totally unimpressive. As long as the opponent is taken down to the floor by having their head trapped between the wrestler's legs is defined as a headscissors.
@cerberus3838 So by your definition the styles clash, the pedigree, the piledriver, and the tombstone are all head scissors? The reason I say that the huracanrana is not a type of head scissors is because the term head scissors existed long before the huracanrana or the frankensteiner existed. I think just because they have one thing in common namely the head trapped between the person's legs doesn't make them the same thing, but if you want to call a huracanrana a head scissors knock
@cerberus3838 yourself out. Many wrestling fans will look at you funny. Originally the head scissors was a ground technique like a choke. Then they did it in the air which you have described as a side head scissors. I think if you are in a head scissors you should be choking and you aren't ever choking in a huracanrana. I get my definitions by listening to various commentators, the internet, wrestling mags, and common sense. Where do you get yours?
@jfearless1 Did you check out the video I suggested? It seems copying and pasting isn't working so just search for "Wrestling 101 Volume Three: The Huracanrana & the Frankensteiner"
@cerberus3838 is always done against a running opponent. This is how the frankensteiner is executed: one person irish whips his or her opponent into the ropes. When they come back running the other person jumps into the air and wraps his or her thighs around the other person's head. Then the person drives the other person's head into the mat into a pin combination. HBlockx has a video of it on youtube. Anything outside of the those parameters is either a huracanrana or a spiked huracanrana.
@cerberus3838 HBlockx has a video simply entitled Frankensteiner. Scott is doing this move when he was really young. He drives the guy's head into the mat. The guy isn't being flung from one side of the ring to the other. Furthermore, I watched Scott when he was young and know that he invented this move. I am 32 years old. I have been watching wrestling for 30 years. Yes I was a very intelligent 2 year old. Truth be told I walked, and talked in full sentences by 9mo.s.
@CPunkbusterAB The frankensteiner is always spiked. If it isn't spiked then it is a hurricanrana. That is the difference between the two moves. You have it backwards. A frankensteiner is always into a pin. The hurricanrana is a throw. Remember Lita? She would do the hurricanrana. So did Chyna. Neither of them ended up in a pinning position. Rey Misterio does the hurricanrana a lot and doesn't end up in a pinning position. Sorry man, but I strongly disagree w you.
@jfearless1 a frankensteiner did never end up into a pin. and the "hurricanrana" of lita is just a good example to never believe the commentators of wwe when they categorize a move.
if you still dont believe me watch this video:
/watch?v=OARLAzb9MH0
its made by TheSuicidalDragon who i believe that he is one of those people who knows most about wrestling on youtube
@CPunkbusterAB unfortunately whenever you try to put a video in your comments you cannot click on it or even type it into your browser. I tried that already to prove my point that a frankensteiner ends in a pin. It is a video called "Frankensteiner" by a user named HBlockx. You will see Scott Steiner doing a frankensteiner. The guys head is driven into the mat and Scott ends on top of him in a pinning position. If you know the name of the video and who the user is then maybe I could find it
the vid is called "Wrestling 101 Volume Three: The Huracanrana & the Frankensteiner" by The SuicidalDragon
and to your video...technically it's a hurricanrana but the name of that move would be frankensteiner because steiner named it that way....or at least i think so
@crippjsandman Thank you Sir or madam, but I wouldn't because he is obviously biased. He is jealous of the fact that there is a move that looks a lot like his and it is more popular. It is like his way of keeping a hold of his legacy is to piggie back on the hurricanrana and say he did it first the same way Chris Adams said that he invented the super kick which is now made famous by Shawn Michaels who calls it sweet chin music.
@wrice82 ummmmm.......thanks for proving my point.....i have been saying that the hurricanrana is different than a frankensteiner............thanks for joining the conversation about 3 months late.....you might want to scroll up and see what I was saying. My argument is that a frankensteiner is not the same thing as a hurricanrana....way to do the research!
@jfearless1 A hurricanrana is were it goes straight into a pin a frankensteiner is were you release the oppenent and it doesn't go into a pin. So it was a frankensteiner.
@TheBTWNation Since you were very polite in your response I will return the favor. When the frankensteiner was invented by Scott Steiner he did the move so his opponent was in a pinning position. I am old enough to remember him doing it live and not on youtube. The only time I have seen the hurricanrana used as a pinning manuever was when Rey Misterio used it as his finisher in WCW. Most times the person is flung across the ring in a hurricanrana.
@BigHippiePat It doesn't matter who is pulling off the move. If Bret Hart does the Texas Cloverleaf, it is a texas cloverleaf. It is not the sharpshooter. The frankensteiner manuever is defined as a manuever (yes by Scott Steiner who is in this video) as a move done on the mat where the executioner of the move drives his opponent's head into the mat using his legs. This move was done off the top rope, and the opponent's head was not driven into the mat. This is not a frankensteiner.
@BigHippiePat Simply because Scott Steiner invented the move doesn't mean he can redefine it. It would be like the Undertaker doing a regular piledriver. It would be like Rey Misterio doing a drop kick and calling it the 619. Do you see where I am going with this? The frankensteiner has to be a move off the mat where the executor (not executioner..my bad) wraps his thighs around the guys head and flips his opponent backwards where the guy's head is driven into the mat.
@BigHippiePat Simply because Scott Steiner invented the move doesn't mean he can redefine it. It would be like Rey Misterio doing a dropkick and calling it the 619 or the undertaker doing a powerbomb and calling it a tombstone piledriver. The frankensteiner is a move done off the mat where the executor (not executioner...my bad) wraps his thighs around his opponent's head, flips his opponent backwards, and drives the opponent's head into the mat. That is why this is not a frankensteiner.
@cerberus3838 It doesn't work when you do it that way but I eventually found the vid. I almost want to say that there are three variations. There is the frankensteiner (head driven into the mat), the huracanrana (the one Rey Misterio used to do where youre wrapped into a pin), and the one where the person is just thrown across the ring. I think there should be a term made for that. Head scissor take down is too broad of a term. Perhaps that is why commentators call that a hurrancanrana.
@cerberus3838 I am actually starting to agree with you and CPunkbusterAB who also suggested I see that video. Thank you for pointing that video out. Unfortunately right now due to the WWE moves are being miscalled and they set the standard so even if you are right you are wrong because the WWE commentators disagree with you. One example is the sidewalk slam which was done by Mr. Hughes. It looks nothing like the sidewalk slam that is done now in the WWE.
@jfearless1 Dude you call it a Hurricanrana in front of Steiner. He'd kill you. Just look for Tenay interviewing him in WCW when Steiner confronts and attacks him over him calling it a Hurricanrana.
@jfearless1 The haricanrana ends in a double-leg cradle pin called a rana--so no that was not a haricanra; that was a frankensteiner. The frankensteiner does not necessarily have to result in a spike to the head.
@tqpix The purpose of the frankensteiner ORIGINALLY was to drive the opponents head into the mat. I was discussing these distinctions with cerberus and CPunkbusterAB. I believe that the move when you just fling the person across the ring is a different move than the frankensteiner and the Hurricanrana. It is a variation of the frankensteiner, but it isn't the frankensteiner. Most commentators will call it a hurricanrana. I think it should have a name of its own.
Its a Frankensteiner....bc Scott Steiner is doing it
KingOfKingz819 3 months ago 2
@TheLANC95 I was just joking man, don't worry.
SpanishFly120 3 months ago
Does there really need to be a 25 second intro for a 4 second clip?
SpanishFly120 3 months ago 7
@SpanishFly120 ..............yes
TheLANC95 3 months ago
@SpanishFly120 its only a 12 second intro. the rest is 22.
TheLANC95 3 months ago
i like how in ECW they just chanced the name to whoever was performing it at the time, ignoring that frankensteiner was obviously a play on the steiner name... mike whipwreck was called the FRANKENMIKEY which made almost less sense than when beulah mcgillicuddys hit one on fonzi and styles called it a BUELAHCANRANA
mckendo83 3 months ago
It's Avalanche Frankensteiner, because a hurracanrana ends in a pinning clutch. The "-rana" part is even the name of the clutch, when they sit on their face/chest and grab their legs for the pin(like Rey Mysterio does).
saiyanblade84 3 months ago
its hurricanrana
themortiker 4 months ago
You guys are a bunch of marks arguing about this shit. I was there for this event and the crowd popped huge.
jRedTree85 4 months ago
BTW as with most wrestling moves this was first used in JAPAN.
13scott71 5 months ago
Huracanrana - move Invented by Huracan Ramirez; his name is in the move
Frankensteiner - move done by Scott Steiner; his name is in the move.
Discussion over.
TheGriglager 5 months ago
I WAS THERE!!!
muckemsayuhhh18 5 months ago
Frankenstiner is a totally other move. I can't find the real one...
MrJayDub 5 months ago
WILL EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP! I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE WHAT IT SHOULD BE CALLED! FRANKENSTEINER OR HURRICANRANNA! BUT THIS ARGUEMENT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS! WHY ARE YOU BOTH SO FUCKING OBSESSED WITH WHAT ITS CALED! SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!!!!! Next person who comments an arguement about what it should be called is getting blocked.
TheLANC95 5 months ago 8
@TheLANC95 It should be called Frankesterinhurricana .... yeah.. go ahead and block me.
DidYouPoopToday 5 months ago
@TheLANC95 Hey it's a frankensteiner.
cavsfan4lever 3 months ago
hurricanrina not frankensteiner
79joor 6 months ago
the intro to this annoyed me
danyonly 7 months ago
In the attitude era the Huricanarana was done standing up. Frankensteiner was when the opponent was on the top rope that's the only difference.
786Wiperr 7 months ago
I dont think there is a difference. kinda hoe people say theres a difference between the walls of jericho and a boston crab
123jimmyBgood 7 months ago
FRANKENSTEINER
hootdemon 7 months ago
ALL wrong. Frankensteiner is when opp is coming off the ropes. Not in a corner. And yes, I stayed @ a Holiday Inn Express last night too!
boyric 9 months ago
@boyric I agree with you.
jfearless1 8 months ago
I always think that the performer of the Frankensteiner always performs a part of the flip before their legs go around the opponents head which is quite opposite to the regular Hurricanrana but Scotty didn't do it in that video.
Another difference is that it seems like when the performer goes for the Frankensteiner the low bit of their legs are the parts that grabs the opponent and Scott did that to an extent in that video so I think that's what spilts a Frankensteiner and a Hurricanrana.
rocky01542 10 months ago
It actually was a hurricanrana and not a frankensteiner because the frankensteiner is a move where the opponent falls on his head and knocks him out. Basically, the frankensteiner is like a DDT with your legs. A hurricanrana is a move that just throws the opponent across the ring. It is like a throw. So I disagree with Tenay.
jfearless1 10 months ago
@jfearless1 Well if i ever get the Deloriane from Back to the Future I'll be sure to correct Mike on that one.
TheLANC95 10 months ago 18
@TheLANC95 just make sure that your flux capacitor is working. It sucks when it doesn't.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 I was always under the impression that a 'Frankensteiner' was simply a hurracanrana executed from the top rope...basically a Super Hurracanrana.
I know the variant you're talking about though. Frightmare does it fairly often and calls it the Frightensteiner, though I'm not sure if that's the generally accepted term.
ResChronoNullius 10 months ago
@jfearless1 It's a frankensteiner but from the top rope. The guy's head can't hit the mat since there is still too much distance due to the height. Stop being anal, seriously. You're one of those people who thinks they right when they wrong very often (yet don't realize it) aren't you?
motleyhar 9 months ago
@motleyhar Just to put things in perspective I am 32 years old so I remember watching Scott Steiner when he and his brother Rick were a tag team in WCW called the Steiner brothers. They had two moves named after them. One was the frankensteiner and the other was the Steinerline which was just a really powerful clothesline. Scott would Irish whip his opponent against the ropes and then catch him in a hurricanrana like move but instead of flipping the opponent the way Rey Misterio does...
jfearless1 9 months ago
@motleyhar ...Scott would hold onto his opponent's head between his thighs and drive his head into the mat. After the move is perfectly executed Scott would end up sitting on his opponents chest and pin him as he lies unconscious on the mat. That is the frankensteiner. If he just flips the opponent in that move then it is just a hurricanrana. I don't know you are so upset about it. I am just being technical, not anal.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 Again, I revert back to the fact that he is so high up. Also, "I don't know you are so upset" makes no sense. What were you trying to say? Did you mean to put a "why" in there? Lastly, I am glad you used the term "perfectly executed." Is this a perfectly executed Frankensteiner? Hell no, it's not 1991 anymore and he is way higher than normal. Thank's for pointing that out to assist my stance, I appreciate it.
motleyhar 9 months ago
@motleyhar Yes I was supposed to put a why in that sentence and the point is that a frankensteiner can never be done on the ropes. It is a move that is strictly done on the mat. If it is done on the ropes, then it is a hurricanrana. There is no variation to the frankensteiner. It is only done in one way which is both wrestlers on the mat.
jfearless1 9 months ago
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motleyhar 9 months ago
@jfearless1 Actually no Scott Steiner came up with this move and its a Frankensteiner and he cussed out a interviewer recently for it lol ... so you go find scott and tell him he's wrong and lemme know how it works out for ya lol...
mywotzone 9 months ago
@mywotzone I never said that Scott Steiner didn't make up the frankensteiner. I am not sure where you are getting that from my threads. The thing is that a frankensteiner by how Scott does it always involves an opponent coming off the ropes and Scott wrapping his thighs around the guys head and flipping the guy over so that his head hits the mat. The way he is doing it in this video is not done in that way. A hurricanrana and a frankensteiner are not the same move. They look very similar.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@mywotzone The difference between a hurricanrana and a frankensteiner is that a hurricanrana is meant to throw an opponent across the ring. The opponent is thrown and he lands on his back. The person doing this move basically lets go of his opponent. While as with a frankensteiner the opponent's head hits the mat and the person doing the move does not let go of his opponent. I bet you thought they were the same move but with different names ie the sharpshooter and the SDL. They aren't.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@mywotzone Type in Frankensteiner in the youtube search engine. THAT is a frankensteiner. Notice how Scott wraps his thighs around the guys head and flips so that the guys head hits the mat? He ends up sitting on the guy. He would often do this in matches and pin the guy that way. If you see a wrestler do this move but he lets go and the other guy goes flying, then THAT is a hurricanrana. If you want to see a hurricanrana type in Lita or Rey Misterio Jr doing a hurricanrana.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 watch?v=90Nwy9DMS-0 , watch this ..
mywotzone 9 months ago
@mywotzone I put that in my browser and it didnt come up. I would be willing to watch the video.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@mywotzone Okay I was able to find the video you posted to me. It is obvious that Scott is ignorant of the differences between the two moves. His is a driver and the hurricanrana is a throw. I would rather be hurricanrana-ed then frankensteiner-ed. I, of course, would request Lita. I do understand why some people find the two moves confusing since they look very similar but they are different. No I wouldn't tell him that to his face not because of fear rather because he would just yell
jfearless1 9 months ago
@mywotzone and try to intimidate me. I would be annoyed and in order to avoid any conflict because I am a peaceful person, I would just fine or whatever. People are just ignorant.
jfearless1 9 months ago
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@mywotzone and try to intimidate me. I would be annoyed and in order to avoid any conflict because I am a peaceful person, I would just say fine or whatever. People are just ignorant.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 fuck that....if scott steiner does it...it's a frankensteiner. He can do it whatever which way he wants to and say it's a frankensteiner and nobody could say shit about it.
kruunk1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 So if Scott Steiner does a moonsault and calls it a frankensteiner then it is a frankensteiner?
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 hell, if he wanted to. Chris Jericho does a Boston Crab and calls it "The Walls of Jericho". Batista did a sit down powerbomb and called it the "Batista Bomb". So sure, if Scott Steiner wanted to do a moonsault and call it a frankensteiner then sure. In fact, here's a quote directly from his web site "Originator of the Frankensteiner, a move now commonly known as the huracanrana." Sooo umm...yeah, you were wrong to begin with because they are the same move haha
kruunk1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 You make good points. However, the walls of jericho and the batista bomb are nicknames for already established and named moves. For example, Chris Masters calls his full nelson the masterlock, but it is still a full nelson. The frankensteiner was invented and the very first of its kind so you cannot call it anything other than a frankensteiner. A huracanrana looks like it except it is a throw instead of a driver. I am not wrong. The creator of his website is an ignorant moron.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 If I'm remembering correctly (always possible I have things confused) Steiner called it a Frankensteiner instead of Hurricanrana and got really combative about it during his heel turn. I honestly think the name stuck with it as a signature move of Steiner's...kind of like the Steiner Screwdriver and the Steinerline.
JVitolo 9 months ago
@JVitolo I agree. The frankensteiner was invented by Scott Steiner long before the hurracanrana was the now more popular title. I think that is why Scott is so pissed off about it. My theory is that when the WWE/WWF had guys doing the move they didn't have Scott Steiner and didn't want to acknowledge him since he was in WCW so they referred to anything resembing the move a hurracanrana. It is the reason why WWE called Bret's move the sharpshooter instead of the Scorpion Deathlock.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 If you put this in your youtube browser you will see Rey Misterio Jr. doing the hurracanrana to CM Punk in the elimination chamber:
Rey Mysterio The Best Hurricanrana (Elimination Chamber 2010)
Notice how it is a throw. I will send you another link of Scott doing the frankensteiner. There is a big difference.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 HBlockx has a video simply entitled Frankensteiner. Scott is doing this move when he was really young. He drives the guy's head into the mat. The guy isn't being flung from one side of the ring to the other.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 doesn't matter. If big show lifts someone way over his head and slams someone from that point to the mat doing a chokeslam, it would still be a chokeslam if he lifted him up to his shoulders. You can do a move a little bit differently every time. The Frankensteiner is just another word for hurricanrana.
kruunk1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 True. However, in both versions of the Big Shows chokeslams the same areas of the human anatomy are affected namely the head, neck, and shoulders. With the frankensteiner the head is affected and with the hurricanrana the back is affected. One is a knockout move and the other is a throw. A frankensteiner is like a piledriver and the hurrancanrana is like a bodyslam. How are those the same move? It is like saying the styles clash is a piledriver simply because they look the same.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 they are the same move because The guy who originated the move even says it's also known as the hurricanrana, that's how they are the same ha.
kruunk1 9 months ago
@kruunk1 That is because Scott Steiner is a jealous moron. The term hurracanrana or hurricanrana (it is spelled both ways) is more popular than Frankensteiner. In 20 years no one will even remember that there was a move invented by some guy named Scott Steiner called a Frankensteiner. Everyone will say Hurricanrana. Scott knows that and wants to somehow make sure everyone knows he invented the move even though they are actually different moves. I guess we will agree to disagree.
jfearless1 9 months ago
@jfearless1 Actually it is a Frankensteiner as it's Scott Steiner that's performing the move and Scott Steiner that named it that. A Frankensteiner ends with the recipient being thrown onto their back, not their head. It's a form of headscissors takedown. A huracanrana (the correct spelling) ends in a pinning position.
cerberus3838 8 months ago
@cerberus3838 If Bret Hart were to do a Texas Clover leaf in a match and call it the sharpshooter it wouldn't make it a sharpshooter. The main difference between the frankensteiner and the hurricanrana is that you don't let go of your opponent's head when you do a frankensteiner. That results in you driving the opponent's head in the mat like the DDT and allowing you to be on top in a pinning position. Lita and Chyna both did the hurricanrana w/o landing in a pinning position.
jfearless1 8 months ago
@jfearless1 I don't mean to be a troll, but it's an odd argument considering that Bret Hart took the scorpion hold (translated from Japanese) and named it the sharpshooter to fit his hitman gimmick. Lita and Chyna only performed headscissor takedowns not huracanranas, WWE/F commentators are shockingly ignorant and often get the move names wrong. Huracan comes from Huracán Ramírez and 'rana' means double leg cradle, in this case a pin. So the one in the video is definitely not a huracanrana.
cerberus3838 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 You are incorrect about Lita and chyna only doing head scissor take downs. Type in either of their names doing a hurricanrana and you will find them doing the same move that Scott Steiner is doing in this video. Well, the frankensteiner was also into a pin after Scott would drive the person's head into the mat. Double leg cradle doesn't necessarily mean pin. It just indicates what the legs are doing in the move. A head scissor take down is when the person's head is trapped
jfearless1 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 between the person's calf muscles not thighs and the person is to the side of his or her opponent not right in front of them. I don't think anyone on this thread will agree with you that Lita and Chyna didn't do hurricanranas. You didn't like the bret example. Okay how about this one: Scott Steiner calling this move that he did in this video a frankensteiner would be like Jake the Snake roberts doing a suplex and calling it a DDT.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 I checked out Lita's moves and not one was a huracanrana, they were all headscissors. Bear in mind that headscissors is a generic term, like e.g. suplex, and there are many types: Frankensteiners and huracanranas are all specific types of headscissors. Scott Steiner calls it a frankensteiner because he innovated this move and he can call it what he likes so that is what it is, he didn't rename it from something else. There's also a version performed against a running opponent.
cerberus3838 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 Well based on your definition of a huracanrana it is only a headscissor take down into a pin? I know that Rey Misterio used to use that as his finisher. He would be outside the ring, fling himself off the top rop and do a huracanrana into a pin. However, I don't know where you would go to get that as being the sole definition of a huracanrana. A huracanrana to me is when the opponent wraps his thigh muscles around your head so that your face is in his or her crotch and then
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 Yes, the definition of a hurucanrana is a headscissors into a rana (double leg cradle). And yes Rey Mysterio did/does use this. I got my definition of this move from following wrestling history from allo ver the world. As I said before WWE commentators are incredibly ignorant/stupid so you cannot just take their definitions as gospel. I'm curious,where did you get your definition from?
cerberus3838 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 wrestling history all over the world? So you went to many countries and you obviously must speak many languages since Japanese commentators speak Japanese, Mexican commentators speak Spanish, etc etc. Realistically I think you get your definitions the same way I get mine except you throw in your own interpretation and I throw in my interpretation. I don't necessarily think you are wrong. I think we are hammering down the definitions and distinctions among wrestling moves.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 you are flung into the air and you land on the mat. That is my understanding. I would see what you are describing as a "huracanrana into a pin combination" not as a huracanrana much the same way I would see a fisherman's suplex as a suplex into a pin combination and not as just a suplex. A huracanrana is not a type of head scissors. A headscissor takedown is only done when the person's head is trapped below the other person's knees not above. Furthermore, the frankensteiner
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 And now you claim that a hurucanrana is not a type of headscissors takedown. Ridiculous! I think you're missing the point, any headscissors involves the opponents head being trapped between the legs and thrown to the floor. It can be a spinning headscissors (which I think you may be referring to), a hurucanrana or something totally unimpressive. As long as the opponent is taken down to the floor by having their head trapped between the wrestler's legs is defined as a headscissors.
cerberus3838 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 So by your definition the styles clash, the pedigree, the piledriver, and the tombstone are all head scissors? The reason I say that the huracanrana is not a type of head scissors is because the term head scissors existed long before the huracanrana or the frankensteiner existed. I think just because they have one thing in common namely the head trapped between the person's legs doesn't make them the same thing, but if you want to call a huracanrana a head scissors knock
jfearless1 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 yourself out. Many wrestling fans will look at you funny. Originally the head scissors was a ground technique like a choke. Then they did it in the air which you have described as a side head scissors. I think if you are in a head scissors you should be choking and you aren't ever choking in a huracanrana. I get my definitions by listening to various commentators, the internet, wrestling mags, and common sense. Where do you get yours?
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 Did you check out the video I suggested? It seems copying and pasting isn't working so just search for "Wrestling 101 Volume Three: The Huracanrana & the Frankensteiner"
cerberus3838 6 months ago
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jfearless1 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 is always done against a running opponent. This is how the frankensteiner is executed: one person irish whips his or her opponent into the ropes. When they come back running the other person jumps into the air and wraps his or her thighs around the other person's head. Then the person drives the other person's head into the mat into a pin combination. HBlockx has a video of it on youtube. Anything outside of the those parameters is either a huracanrana or a spiked huracanrana.
jfearless1 6 months ago
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@cerberus3838 HBlockx has a video simply entitled Frankensteiner. Scott is doing this move when he was really young. He drives the guy's head into the mat. The guy isn't being flung from one side of the ring to the other. Furthermore, I watched Scott when he was young and know that he invented this move. I am 32 years old. I have been watching wrestling for 30 years. Yes I was a very intelligent 2 year old. Truth be told I walked, and talked in full sentences by 9mo.s.
jfearless1 8 months ago
@jfearless1 nope it was a frankensteiner since a hurricanrana is a frankensteiner into a pin
what you discribed as frankensteiner was a spike frankensteiner
CPunkbusterAB 8 months ago
@CPunkbusterAB The frankensteiner is always spiked. If it isn't spiked then it is a hurricanrana. That is the difference between the two moves. You have it backwards. A frankensteiner is always into a pin. The hurricanrana is a throw. Remember Lita? She would do the hurricanrana. So did Chyna. Neither of them ended up in a pinning position. Rey Misterio does the hurricanrana a lot and doesn't end up in a pinning position. Sorry man, but I strongly disagree w you.
jfearless1 8 months ago
@jfearless1 a frankensteiner did never end up into a pin. and the "hurricanrana" of lita is just a good example to never believe the commentators of wwe when they categorize a move.
if you still dont believe me watch this video:
/watch?v=OARLAzb9MH0
its made by TheSuicidalDragon who i believe that he is one of those people who knows most about wrestling on youtube
CPunkbusterAB 8 months ago
@CPunkbusterAB unfortunately whenever you try to put a video in your comments you cannot click on it or even type it into your browser. I tried that already to prove my point that a frankensteiner ends in a pin. It is a video called "Frankensteiner" by a user named HBlockx. You will see Scott Steiner doing a frankensteiner. The guys head is driven into the mat and Scott ends on top of him in a pinning position. If you know the name of the video and who the user is then maybe I could find it
jfearless1 8 months ago
@jfearless1 damn it yt :D
the vid is called "Wrestling 101 Volume Three: The Huracanrana & the Frankensteiner" by The SuicidalDragon
and to your video...technically it's a hurricanrana but the name of that move would be frankensteiner because steiner named it that way....or at least i think so
CPunkbusterAB 8 months ago
@jfearless1 You may be right sir or madam, but I want you to go tell Scott Steiner that. lol
crippjsandman 8 months ago 4
@crippjsandman Thank you Sir or madam, but I wouldn't because he is obviously biased. He is jealous of the fact that there is a move that looks a lot like his and it is more popular. It is like his way of keeping a hold of his legacy is to piggie back on the hurricanrana and say he did it first the same way Chris Adams said that he invented the super kick which is now made famous by Shawn Michaels who calls it sweet chin music.
jfearless1 8 months ago
@jfearless1 no it would be a hurricanrana if he pins him. That was just a frankensteiner
Isamuavanara 7 months ago
@jfearless1 fucking noob!!!! hurricarana is way dif then a frankensteiner...
wrice82 7 months ago
@wrice82 ummmmm.......thanks for proving my point.....i have been saying that the hurricanrana is different than a frankensteiner............thanks for joining the conversation about 3 months late.....you might want to scroll up and see what I was saying. My argument is that a frankensteiner is not the same thing as a hurricanrana....way to do the research!
jfearless1 7 months ago
@jfearless1 A hurricanrana is were it goes straight into a pin a frankensteiner is were you release the oppenent and it doesn't go into a pin. So it was a frankensteiner.
TheBTWNation 6 months ago
@TheBTWNation Since you were very polite in your response I will return the favor. When the frankensteiner was invented by Scott Steiner he did the move so his opponent was in a pinning position. I am old enough to remember him doing it live and not on youtube. The only time I have seen the hurricanrana used as a pinning manuever was when Rey Misterio used it as his finisher in WCW. Most times the person is flung across the ring in a hurricanrana.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 I stand corrected thanks for the info :)
TheBTWNation 6 months ago
@jfearless1
Actually this is the frankenSTEINER. Look at who is pulling off the move.
BigHippiePat 6 months ago
@BigHippiePat It doesn't matter who is pulling off the move. If Bret Hart does the Texas Cloverleaf, it is a texas cloverleaf. It is not the sharpshooter. The frankensteiner manuever is defined as a manuever (yes by Scott Steiner who is in this video) as a move done on the mat where the executioner of the move drives his opponent's head into the mat using his legs. This move was done off the top rope, and the opponent's head was not driven into the mat. This is not a frankensteiner.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@BigHippiePat Simply because Scott Steiner invented the move doesn't mean he can redefine it. It would be like the Undertaker doing a regular piledriver. It would be like Rey Misterio doing a drop kick and calling it the 619. Do you see where I am going with this? The frankensteiner has to be a move off the mat where the executor (not executioner..my bad) wraps his thighs around the guys head and flips his opponent backwards where the guy's head is driven into the mat.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@BigHippiePat Simply because Scott Steiner invented the move doesn't mean he can redefine it. It would be like Rey Misterio doing a dropkick and calling it the 619 or the undertaker doing a powerbomb and calling it a tombstone piledriver. The frankensteiner is a move done off the mat where the executor (not executioner...my bad) wraps his thighs around his opponent's head, flips his opponent backwards, and drives the opponent's head into the mat. That is why this is not a frankensteiner.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 Check out this video for the difference between the frankensteiner and huracanrana: youtube.com/watch?v=OARLAzb9MH0
cerberus3838 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 It doesn't work when you do it that way but I eventually found the vid. I almost want to say that there are three variations. There is the frankensteiner (head driven into the mat), the huracanrana (the one Rey Misterio used to do where youre wrapped into a pin), and the one where the person is just thrown across the ring. I think there should be a term made for that. Head scissor take down is too broad of a term. Perhaps that is why commentators call that a hurrancanrana.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@cerberus3838 I am actually starting to agree with you and CPunkbusterAB who also suggested I see that video. Thank you for pointing that video out. Unfortunately right now due to the WWE moves are being miscalled and they set the standard so even if you are right you are wrong because the WWE commentators disagree with you. One example is the sidewalk slam which was done by Mr. Hughes. It looks nothing like the sidewalk slam that is done now in the WWE.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 Dude you call it a Hurricanrana in front of Steiner. He'd kill you. Just look for Tenay interviewing him in WCW when Steiner confronts and attacks him over him calling it a Hurricanrana.
Moredread25 6 months ago
@jfearless1 from what I've learnt a hurricanrana is just a frankensteiner with a pin on the end
MrDoods93 6 months ago
@jfearless1 The haricanrana ends in a double-leg cradle pin called a rana--so no that was not a haricanra; that was a frankensteiner. The frankensteiner does not necessarily have to result in a spike to the head.
tqpix 5 months ago
@tqpix The purpose of the frankensteiner ORIGINALLY was to drive the opponents head into the mat. I was discussing these distinctions with cerberus and CPunkbusterAB. I believe that the move when you just fling the person across the ring is a different move than the frankensteiner and the Hurricanrana. It is a variation of the frankensteiner, but it isn't the frankensteiner. Most commentators will call it a hurricanrana. I think it should have a name of its own.
jfearless1 5 months ago
@tqpix yes i was gonna say that but if i do ill get blocked haha but what you said is 100% true
chivoxtrereme 5 months ago
Awesome
XTWIntensity 11 months ago
Tenay: I'm not gonna call it a hurricanrana! FUCK YOU! I'm calling it a Frankensteiner!
spiritjd33 1 year ago 21
@spiritjd33 only cause he got his ass kicked for it in WCW. lol
DaKiddD 10 months ago
@spiritjd33 XD, after that interview he had in WCW years back he BETTER not ever call it a hurricanrana again.
Bzaafied 5 months ago
I was there for this. The crowd popped huge.
okusachink 1 year ago 4
Haha I watched this live on *cough* justin.tv *cough*. Couldn't help but mark out
jaznpwnz 1 year ago
Amazing. Lol.
dunksrus77 1 year ago