Bankers Love Socialism -- Professor Antony Sutton

[nafaidni]

This is called "Fascism". Look up the doctrine of Benito Mussolini and see his policies towards corporations.

This video is rubbish, btw. Anyone damn fool enough to think that the capitalists in WALL STREET funded the BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION seriously needs to get an MRI within the next few months. No one but the most miserable slave of right-wing propagandists could believe that socialism somehow benefits the rich. The tens of thousands of wealthy individuals killed by them would attest to that.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@nafaidni

It's not a matter of "belief". It's a matter of historical record, that the biggest western capitalists backed the Soviet from 1917 onwards. Belief is what people base dogma on, like a religion. Like the communist religion, a market for adults who want to believe there are good fairies around with names like Lenin, that are out to save them.

Actually, he'd starve you and throw you in a work brigade, to work to death as slave labor for some Soyuzstroi public/private project.

[a0eoj]

@LibertyTruthJustice Just because Sutton detailed Wall Street's involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution, in order to destroy Russia as an economic competitor and turn into a captive market and a colony to be exploited by a few high-powered American financiers and the corporations under their control, doesn't justify the inherent immorality of capitalism in which those with capital exploit those who don't. Like most people, Sutton can't see his own bias.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@a0eoj

Yes, Prof. Sutton denounced the predatory tactics of monopoly capitalists, of using groups of pirates like the communist and socialist movements, to take over societies and establish monopolies, and command and control systems. On that we agree.

But now you're attacking him for supposedly "having a bias" towards the same people he denounced? Now, in what Antony Sutton book did you get that from, would you mind telling me?

[a0eoj]

@LibertyTruthJustice You don't have to read his books to see he has a bias for capitalism.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@a0eoj

Capitalism, the middle class free market, has been dead for decades. What you have, and was created by monopoly capitalists, is a command and control societal and commercial system. A monopoly cartel system.

The name for this is Fabian Socialism, akin to fascism. It's not middle class capitalism -- what Sutton defended. He actually wanted people like you to prosper as independent middle class, instead of being a wage slave for some govt-protected corporation. Bad of him heh?

[a0eoj]

@LibertyTruthJustice I basically agree with what you're saying, but with the realization of the inherent immorality of capitalism. Sutton probably wasn't a 'bad' guy; he just didn't understand capitalism is fundamentally exploitative. While it's admirable to speak out against injustice, it's also important to acknowledge the cancer.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@a0eoj

"Capitalism is fundamentally exploitative"

Tell me which "-ism" isn't fundamentally exploitative.

But that's exactly why you need a *middle class form of free market*, where power is distributed, the citizenry is alert, conscious and has a deep moral sense, a conscience.

It's the fairest and most balanced way to have a complex society, and this was acknowledged even in the time of the Founding Fathers.

[a0eoj]

@LibertyTruthJustice The "Founding Fathers" weren't middle-class citizens and their idea of fairness and social justice included slavery. In a truly democratic society, everyone shares power and wealth. Any system which rationalizes an inequality of wealth and power is not democratic, it's fundamentally exploitative.

[a0eoj]

@LibertyTruthJustice The -ism I've found least exploitative is libertarian socialism.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@a0eoj

Lol. I was waiting for the moment you were going to push communitarianism, all the neo-platonist, "rousseaunian" thing. One guesses...

You know, socialism is such a stagnant, obscurantist, neo-medieval system, that even fanatics like HG Wells had to admit it would never subsist in the presence of alternatives.

You might want to try reading the letters and writings of the Founding Fathers, for their ideas on society, and specifically on slavery. You'll have a surprise or two..

[sheltercrow]

@nafaidni The capitalists of Wall Street not only funded the Russian revolution they also made a profit off the Nazis. Capital flows to where there is a return on same. Capital does not have a conscience. Sutton makes a tragic error in associating socialism with regimes that are socialist in name only. His mistake is intentional and thus constitutes propaganda. The socialist title has been worn by so many patently non-socialist regimes that it has made the title all but meaningless.

[nafaidni]

@sheltercrow

Well said. The idea of "Capitalism" has dropped to record low approval ratings in the US because of the failure of its supporters to redefine it to the modern age.

They still keep treating capitalism like it states that businesses have the right to do whatever they want if they have the financial power to do so.

And socialism is at 31% popularity or so since they keep defining any form of modern social program as "socialist". These right-wingers are the best assets to socialism.

[nafaidni]

@sheltercrow

Though I'm happy to mention that their "Germany was socialist" lie isn't altogether pervasive out of far-right circles. It's not something most people I know would make the mistake of believing.

But their propaganda is still very deep-rooted in the information we hear today. Hell, even I believed for a long time the lies that Hitler expanded gun control, created a national health care program, and allowed everyone to get abortions.

[OrthodoxDarwinist]

@nafaidni

Wall Street's financial support of the Bolsheviks is incredibly well documented by Dr. Sutton. Socialism has ALWAYS been the ideal of the wealthy. Please do some reading before making such retarded comments.

[t4705mb6]

I was an "A" student in all academic studies except in PROBLEMS OF DEMOCRACY (POD) class, a class obviously designed to stir hatred toward the "evil" Russians. I was given a failing grade. Why? Because I had the same information Sutton writes about and revealed it in the class. Although my submissions were accurate, my professor was, to put it mildly, furious with my stubbornness to skip lies and reveal truth.

I learned more from taking that one class than any other.

[thepixieful]

it is the slow boat to get that kind of archival research, I am amazed he has written SEVERAL books. takes so much time to get the library stuff from the old days. great to have lectures on YT.

[Mangoholic45]

@Arondeus You need to go back and research the true history and origins of socialism/communism. You seem to still be stuck in the false paradigm. Communism, socialism, fascism, are all the same system, they're all involuntary COLLECTIVISM by use of coercion. All 3 systems/ideologies are identical. You're a victim of Hegelian theory, as are most people. Marx was hired to write a policy statement to the world, by people far above him. He was as deceived as you are. Look this stuff up.

[thepixieful]

@Mangoholic45 you comprehend it. coercion indeed, Hegel could write. Marx could not feed his own family, Engels paid his paternity suits. new bio of Karl and his crazy family might be entertaining is on Times best seller list. and Sutton great scholar. 

[statewithinastateuk]

Estimated fortune of the Rothschilds family who control the world:

$1.9 trillion US (@ 4%)

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$31.5 trillion US (@ 6%)

$125,189.1 trillion US (@ 7%)

$491,409.0 trillion US (@ 8%)

[SovereignBlade]

Communism is the fast-track to collectivization of all authority and wealth . The socialists are the slow, 'Frog in the Boiling Water', approach toward the same goal. European socialism is collapsing economically, as are all the other socialists states... as we are. We all are because the same gangsters, wolves in sheep's clothing, have set about our destruction to drive us all into the same global socialist tyranny. .. not for social equality but for feudal enslavement. Great video friends!

[Arondeus]

"... what Sutton calls Corporate Socialism. A system under which everything in society is ruled by the state, and the state is, in its stead, controlled by financiers who, hence, get to rule and manage society, to their liking. In other words, to get society to work for the financiers, using a dictatorial socialist state as the middleman."

This guy is already completely wrong. Either, he doesn't understand what Communism is, or he's intentionally misusing terms. Either way, he's wrong.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@Arondeus

The best, more honest definition of socialism was given by its founders, people like Hegel and Saint-Simon. What was/is meant by socialism is a system by which society is standardized and organized as an efficient, technocratic machine. It is to be run by bankers and technicians, for these ideologues.

So, that's the history of the Soviet Union, China is there to copy it, and so are all the other communist, and socialist systems. But they always invent nice myths, to recruit followers.

[Arondeus]

@LibertyTruthJustice

Well, I can't force you to use the traditionally accepted definition of Communism/Socialism/Marxism. If you choose to use a different definition, as Sutton does, that's your choice. Doing so does make it easier to defend his theory ....

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@Arondeus

My definition of socialism isn't mine at all, it comes from its original founders: Hegel, Simon, Comte, and so forth. Sutton started by subscribing to the fairy tale notion, but then dispelled it, through the rigorous study of history and praxis.

Wherever you find 'workers revolution', and 'socialist solidarity', in the last 200 years, you have a clique of socialists, sponsored by the highest bankers, wrecking their country and then loaning it out in monopoly contracts to the banks...

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@Arondeus

...and to their afilliated firms. That's Soviet Russia. That's China. That's Cuba. That's Angola. Etc. Etc. Even before I knew the history of socialist affiliation to the big banking houses, from the old London and Prussian days onwards, I always found it amazing, how the socialists always seemed to work first as a wrecking crew on society, and then went on to standardize the country and its workforce, to finally hand it over in trusts to big multinational corporations and banks.

[Arondeus]

@LibertyTruthJustice

You're still referring to Soviet Russia and the rest as Socialists. They weren't. You're working with Cold War propaganda. The West referred to the Soviets as Socialist so as to tie Communism with the digusting police-state that it was. The Soviets referred to themselves as Socialist so as to gain some bit of sympathy from the large numbers of people around the world for whom Socialism had great appeal.

You, and Sutton, have fallen for the same lies.

[LibertyTruthJustice]

@Arondeus

Read Hegel. Saint-Simon. Comte. Fichte. The founders of socialism. If anything, the USSR was not socialist enough, from their definitions. Yet, it came close. China, a bit closer. The global society that is being built, with the participation of all the pirates (from socialists to the big banks and corporations that manage them), will be more so, socialist.

Socialism has nothing to do with "helping people". If anything, it coopted the popular movements of the time. Read the founders.

[thepixieful]

@LibertyTruthJustice gotta love the philosopher's song by Monty Python. but Hegel was brilliant on: problem, reaction, solution....a handy magic trick. also Marx talks about money as the fetishism of comodity. brilliant poetry, but I would not trust him to feed his own kids let along start any sort of government, but old Karl could write a phrase.

[kingneddy]

@Arondeus read karx marx's book called the communist manifesto.if you already have then your a fool & need to read it again.your obviously a socialist robot.

[thepixieful]

@Arondeus sutton and also john loftus are in archival records, then they write the book. the news gives it for the 8th grade reader. the historian has time for archives. this is amazing and true. keep reading more about it. signed, lady with a bun and a pencil.

[thepixieful]

@LibertyTruthJustice interesting film is Beatty's Reds. Warren loves the constitution but made a neat little history movie there, watch it again. subtle.

[kingneddy]

@Arondeus your an educated fool. you use your intelligence to deceive yourself.

[kingneddy]

@Arondeus why is your stupid comment still here?

[clarkstkilla]

@Arondeus you are confusing anarchist socialism (what the historical Jesus Christ teached) with modern socialism. anarchist socialism isn't technically an economic system, whereas modern socialism is. modern socialism is driven by fiat currency just like capitalism, which promotes power-mongering(war, state sponsored revolutions, black-ops, etc.) so it is safe to assume both socialism and capitalism can be placed in the same category of really bad ideas.

[americaisbacktrump]

@Arondeus Third Way Socialism was not prevalent now. It is really no different from old communism except that it is a play of subtleties, lies, misscharacterisations. The vast majority of schools in the US and the West teach cultural Marxism without mentioning Marx or even socialism or communism. Socialists like to portray themselves as caring but communitarinaism gives the lie away. All modern Western nations are now liberal one party states in which diferent paties are all the same at the top.

[Badwolf182]

"To eliminate freedom, one must first eliminate widespread knowledge of the truth" ~ Prof Antony C Sutton

[Badwolf182]

I have managed to find 2 of his books online for free (PDF) so anyone intersted can do same. Its men like this fine gentleman that we are hear listening to the truth.

[tjbayliss]

I've only read the description of this video and it's already been liked.

Sounds like an awesome source of proof to use against Americans who think they're "fighting for peace" and "protecting the world" :P