Scott Hahn-St.Paul's Gospel_1_www.salvationhistory.com

[Mjoe1875]

Truckerhiob: Hahn is using a teaching technique called "comparison and contrast." Note where he says Protestants and Catholics have a lot in common. His father in law is a Presbyterian minister and they get along great. I think you misunderstand Hahn.

[truckerhiob]

@Mjoe1875, where and when I did misunderstand Hahn? I misunderstand you, for sure. I have no idea what are you talking about.

[RPenta]

I do not agree with Professor Hahn that St. Paul was the most influential person in the history of Christianity next to Jesus; I submit both the Virgin Mary and St. Peter were more influential.

I have to admit that I am one who suspects there is an incipient Protestantism in the writings of St. Paul, which is why they need to be balanced by the Gospels and Acts as well.

[phil8888]

My experience is to hear a lot of Protestant groups saying why the Catholic Church is bad and wrong and the whore of Babylon and how we worship idols, and are involved with cannibalism, and follow traditions of men. These are the most common things I hear. If you watch EWTN, you rarely hear someone mentioning Protestantism unless it's on a show on the Journey Home.

[shanana000]

why is it when catholics teach they have to always bring up protestants? I like to listen to protestants teach, because I learn actually learn about Christ and his teachings....they don't waste their times on putting down others and actually perform the great commission.

[truckerhiob]

@shanana000, always? I don't think so. Scott Hahn was a Presbyterian Minister. He looks at the Catholic Faith through his own background and education. That's why he often compares what Church teaches with teachings of various sects and other denominations and ecclesiastic communities. However there is many other teachings of Catholics never mentioning any protestants. An there is many protestant often targeting Catholic Church.

[shanana000]

@truckerhiob Oh, it is always for me...I'm speaking for what i've encountered. And you can't tell me what i've experienced...so yes, that is exactly what i've heard.

[Enigmatik691]

@shanana000 Oh really why do I always find PROTESTANTS commenting and preaching in Catholic rooms?

[swlabr21]

@Enigmatik691 They are seeking the Truth and Scott Hahn is alive with the Holy Spirit!

[swlabr21]

@shanana000 Catholics do not put down protestants, or any other Christians for that matter. Protestants currently make up the largest group of converts coming home to the True home of Christ, the Catholic Church. Spreading the Truth is never about putting one another down, but helping each other. God Bless.

[odephraimchai]

THE DIVINE TEST OF A TRUE APOSTLE OF YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH

Peter established a test for apostles:

"PETER said...therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that the Messiah Yahshua went in and out among us--BEGINNING WITH THE BAPTISM OF JOHN until THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US --one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."

(Acts 1:21,22) In other words, in order to be an apostle you would have had to have been a disciple first!

[odephraimchai]

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other Elohims, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YHWH your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

[odephraimchai]

As I stated give me your proof Paul is an Apostle,first.

Show me where Yahweh has stated that Paul is his chosen one. My the word of Yahweh. IYou know that Yahshua is the chosen messiah.

Yahshua told us he know who he has chosen, he tell us who they are. There was no Paul.

So, show your Proof , without use Paul and his disciples that he is an Apostle!!!

Because you can not:

Paul to Ephesus - Iam an Apostle

Ephesus to Paul - no you are not

Yahshua to Ephesus - WELL DONE

[brucefetter]

Since you are creating a false dilemma between Jewish adn Gentile Christians that is not based upon evidence, and since yours is the novel claim, and since you are asking teh Scriptures to do things that they are not inteded for, I would say the burden of proof is solidly upon you. Why are you unable to support your claioms from Scripture or Tradition? I suspect you are making this up. I also said that I am open to your ideas, but you can give no sources for your sectarian ideas. Please do.

[brucefetter]

Ok, I was thinking that was the angle you were coming from. I think you are misreading into paul, but moreso I believe you are perhaps lacking a general understanding of how the scriptures and early church funcitoned. Would you say that you can trust the Gospel of Luke or Matthew or John? Do you have any books that you would suggest that supports your perspective? I am curious. Thanks.

[brucefetter]

I see your reply is now deleted, but even then you didn't answer the questions. But you seem to be someone who wants to believe that Paul changed Judiasm into something we call Christianity. The Ebionites were like this as I recall. But when you do get a moment, if you care to, please suggest how Christ is to be properly understood according to your view, and what this has to do with the Scriptures.

[odephraimchai]

What was Jesus lacking that Paul needed to replace Jesus as the sacrificial lamb for you.

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

[brucefetter]

@odephraimchai While it isn't a clear verse on first reading, what should be remembered is that Paul is not saying that he somehow redeems himself as a sacrifice to God. But as the body of Christ, the Church continues to show the nature of God's suffering love that Christ inaugurated. But salvation in the Chrsitian tradition is more than justification.

[odephraimchai]

weak

[brucefetter]

and how is that weak? Can you please state your view on this? This seems to me to be the biblical perspective. Or is St. Paul way off base? Perhpas that is your point and I am missing it. Please explain your pov

[odephraimchai]

Well, it is never clear when it comes to Paul.

The excuses you have for this false prophet is beyond beleiveable.Everytime Yahshua spoke he always,tells us it not his words but his Father's words.

Same with every prophet,except Paul.

Every time Paul speaks, its "I" , "Me" everytime.

Even when he speaking to Timothy ,he says, My Gospel that I preach to you.

Than Roman 16:22 ,we out he they wrote it. I could write books on Paul's lies!!!

[brucefetter]

also regarding the post you deleted, you are assuming the the NT that is not written by Paul would somehow have to contain texts that directly claim he is an apostle, but this is a total misunderstanding of how the nt came about, why it was ever written, what its role was to the early church etc. I would still say that your standard of legitimacy doesn't wash with history.

[odephraimchai]

No, it is not misunderstood,further more its was the Pauline Priests of Roman that said,which books and what was to be put into the Bible. After,the 12 real Apostle and their followers were put out of their way. Christianity was founded on murder and lies,and maintain on the same spirit.

This why there are at least 2300 different Christian regilions which can not agree on there same god. Paul is the foolish Shephard. The test to see if you will listen to Yahweh or Yahshua. Its that simple!!!

[brucefetter]

Ok, so I am still waiting for you to tell me where are are getting this new perspective, what documentation you have for this. When you get a moment, please answer the questions I asked before hand or point me in a direction that you are using for your sources. Since your teachings are novel, they should have some convincing basis for someone who is openminded about it.

[brucefetter]

and this is not why there are so many denominations who claim to be Christian, it is the Protestant idea from teh 1500s of sola scriptura, which you also believe based upon your demand for proof texts that Paul was not accepted (of which there are none as far as I can tell).

[nilofc]

I love this man.  Truly a gift from God to all who hears him.