You had me at hello, just kidding. I was already convinced from when I put your theory to the test after seeing the previous video. It was immediately noticeably faster! The tradeoff of land versus production per acre is worth it. I harvested and had food on hand and new crop growing in no time, very helpful in survival SMP which is how I play. The time lapse confirmed my observations. Great job!
So...practically, you're still better planting crops in full rather than leaving a space between rows of corps if you're not interested in them all being fully grown right?
@SimplyGebus actually, disregard that previous reply's reasoning, I decided after some thought that it was a bit flawed, and sounded a bit too much like a hater.
AGAIN! I would like to see what method produces more wheat in any time. The results in this video looks to me like in crops/time full out won. Rows will (likely) produce one fully grown plant faster while Full out produce twice the number of half-grown in the same time. The only advantage that rows has is it takes more space, meaning there will be less corner blocks and it will cover more chunks. Taking more space however means it will need more glowstone.
They seem about equal in terms of wheat produced per N time. THAT seems to be the proper benchmark for these setups, NOT full growth time. If it takes twice as long for twice as much wheat to grow, isn't it about equal in efficiency?
Yes, if the probability is in your favor that day, absolutely :) This test was just to see if I could answer SuperStishious' question that he posed to me :)
There is another option... What I did for my fields is that first I dug up the whole plot of land two squares deep, then I filled up that underneath with water, put the soil on top of it, then the light sources near that... seems to work pretty well and you don't have to worry about going around water, etc. Just a thought.
@MrPixelTech i know :) i wasn't hating or anything :) just saying :P on a side note though, wouldn't it be more effective to use the farm on the left (during time lapse) as it has more wheat per block to the other, causing a much bigger yield per harvest?
@JLPMinecraft Right, if you didn't watch the whole video, I gave credit to the field on the left for producing more crops. But our test was to see if the /2 was really that detrimental in terms of time. For overall complete growth, it is. For yield over time, it isn't.
@MrPixelTech Actually your correct, i didnt watch the whole video, i felt undermined by somethings you were saying, i wont lie. Also now i think about it, it would give a better yield over time, my apologies sir
@JLPMinecraft No need to apologize and I'm sorry you felt undermined. Would you mind telling me what was said and where that did so? I, by no means, think I'm an expert at this. 2500+ subs or not, I've only been doing this for about 2 months and could use all the constructive criticism I can get :)
@MrPixelTech well when you was referring to north or south and east or west, or how ever it went i was trying to understand the relevance it made towards the growth rate, i understand if you have said this in videos prior to this why you wouldn't explain in full. but i'm the type who needs all the information there in front of them to get the reasoning of to why you would be testing in a certain way. by buddy watched aswell and he understood entirely, im sure if i watched over i would understand
@JLPMinecraft AHHH, fair enough. Yeah, a couple questions got asked about that and I probably should've put together a facts sheet to display at the beginning or something, would that have been a bit better?
When I did the experiment, I came up with similar results. But I harvested the wheat and ended up with almost twice the wheat in the same amount of time from the fully plant field.
@KUngFUandroid Exactly, in terms of speed difference. Rows will always win, but it's not by enough that if you're going for quantity, that planting full-out is detrimental.
@MrPixelTech I get how rows win if it was a speed contest. There were many level 8 plants early on in my test. Many more than the solid planting. But I don't understand how planting full-out is detrimental. That reference, I don't get. It was not covered in your video and I have not seen any anecdotal evidence of negative outcome from plant my fields in a solid pattern.
In order for the field on the left to be more efficient in time, it should have a time for full growth that is equal to or less than 2.142 times the field on the right. However, if given a space constraint, the field on the left is better for area per harvest.
The rowns clearly won? I would say that the full has more grown wheat... really, seeds are not a very limited resource, I will still go with the old method where I don't mind if a few haven't grown as I get 1,5 times the seeds back I need.
@Atanar89 We always knew the full would grow more wheat :P That was a given. The test was to see exactly how big the time difference would be if you went after more crops. Given that the full test still had some stage 0/1 growth in it, that's why I announced the winner that way. But yes, if you're after more wheat, regardless of how long it takes, that's the way to go. :)
@insaneHacker999 One issue in you calculations. "Air" is technically a block and therefore is also asked to update. Either way, the wheat will grow about the same.
I think it would be intresting to do the same amount of corps and see witch grows faster. so make the Rows twice the size as the feild and see witch is faster for the same amount of crops.
The all over setup had twice as many crops as the rows did. Plus even if you harvested the all over setup early you would still get more crops than the rows. Therefore I am going for 4 8x8 all over setups in my world, in 4 chunks of course. Btw all over setup won just saying :P
@kylez963 lol, we knew the overall setup would have more crops :P The probability goes from 1/2 to about 1/4-1/5 :P The test was merely to see if it actually ended up being a detrimental penalty (the growth_rate/2) in terms of overall time... given that the full-out is STILL trying to finish off about 10 plots of seeds after letting MC run for a few hours (and the original intent of the test), that's why I announced it that way :)
Surely, its better to do rows because if you have more crops, say 40 in a sqaure, theres more chance it could select an already fully grown block for growth chance? Therefore you will have some odd underdeveloped crops placed around more often ?
The winner should have been the first one to have (insert number of plants in the rows setup) fully grown crops, to test if the growth rates were similar.
Otherwise you'd be asking the all out setup to grow twice as quickly as the rows setup in order to win
@JDingDong8 I thought about that a bit, and almost did the test exactly as you were saying. But the original question raised by SuperStishious was whether going after MORE crops less often was really that big of a difference. That's why I tested it this way. I can easily repeat the test with the same number of crops if you guys want to see what the difference between the same number of crops are :) Let me know :)
@JDingDong8 That's not quite true. When you're dealing with rates of growth it doesn't matter what the sample size is. It only matters how long it takes to complete.
@SimplyGebus I still think it would have been better if a few 'crops grown to level n - against time' graphs were shown, with the two farming arrangements plotted on the same axis.
Although I understand the need to sleep occasionally, that's probabaly what he should have done because when the time lapse ended, there seemed to be more level 8 crops on the all out side than the other - because there were more crops on that side, and therefore a greater number from that side were picked
@JDingDong8 I agree that statistic would have been useful. But also when you're talking about efficiency the number of seeds planted/number of seeds & wheat returned is also a factor. The row system clearly was better in that regard.
@MLMinecraftProd It ends up being a bit longer than 2x the time. As it approaches about the last 1/4-1/5 of the farm, the growth rate goes CRAZY low :P
@THENSJW I agree. pixel should get that. i use it all the time on my server and its easy to use and is what he needs. I recommended it to him a while ago so i do not know why he has not gotten it yet...
@SuperGreenMiner I got an idea... write me a vbscript that will allow me to select check boxes for multiple bin folders as to which to launch with :D Please? :D
@TheNatManRS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :D man, now when I go to bed I'm going to have images of gray people in black and white clothing all zombified coming after me. Instead of "BRAIIIIIINS!" they'll scream "BOOORRING" :P
@MrPixelTech I suppose you could always call upon army of Snow Golems to protect you. Or wolves. Actually, that sounds intriguing...I'm curious now. If you attempt to breed a Snow Golem and it start attacking you, does a tamed wolf attack it?
so north and south decrease production time while 2x2 squares increase production rate.
ZomBiEsaTTAcK62870 2 weeks ago
Fuck, his voice is like notch voice that's amazing.
terminado 3 weeks ago
1 dislike against 138 is a bit silly...
40880472 4 weeks ago
You had me at hello, just kidding. I was already convinced from when I put your theory to the test after seeing the previous video. It was immediately noticeably faster! The tradeoff of land versus production per acre is worth it. I harvested and had food on hand and new crop growing in no time, very helpful in survival SMP which is how I play. The time lapse confirmed my observations. Great job!
bumblur 3 months ago
So...practically, you're still better planting crops in full rather than leaving a space between rows of corps if you're not interested in them all being fully grown right?
TheBlueFlex 3 months ago
Is the check for North and South, or is it North or South?
If it's and, why not run your rows east to west and have them two blocks by x length.
For example: X = wheat O = Farmland and the top being North?
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jyrbian 3 months ago
Again. Also, if you're expanding, don't forget tree farms. Sapling vs. wood production, etc.
Temporarily9 3 months ago
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Temporarily9 3 months ago
@SimplyGebus actually, disregard that previous reply's reasoning, I decided after some thought that it was a bit flawed, and sounded a bit too much like a hater.
JDingDong8 3 months ago
Does anyone know if having melon or pumpkin stems beside the rows of wheat will slow the wheat down?
trigon525 3 months ago
AGAIN! I would like to see what method produces more wheat in any time. The results in this video looks to me like in crops/time full out won. Rows will (likely) produce one fully grown plant faster while Full out produce twice the number of half-grown in the same time. The only advantage that rows has is it takes more space, meaning there will be less corner blocks and it will cover more chunks. Taking more space however means it will need more glowstone.
LibertyMonk 3 months ago
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Hi, i did i little comparison of line and full wheat farm. You can watch it in my channel.
timikx 3 months ago
AGAIN!! in the comments XD. Great job i am learning lots. thanks for this.
20DarkWidow90 3 months ago
again XD
SuperStishious 3 months ago
AGAIN?
MsPluto11 3 months ago
So. MY conclusions from the test preformed here:
They seem about equal in terms of wheat produced per N time. THAT seems to be the proper benchmark for these setups, NOT full growth time. If it takes twice as long for twice as much wheat to grow, isn't it about equal in efficiency?
Corbald 3 months ago
Yes, if the probability is in your favor that day, absolutely :) This test was just to see if I could answer SuperStishious' question that he posed to me :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Ah, OK. Wasn't entirely sure what you were trying to say ;D
Corbald 3 months ago
What about melons and pumpkins?
thegamemaster800 3 months ago
@thegamemaster800 They'll be coming up in the next week.
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
AGAIN ?? always nice to see your videos
MrTiago1975 3 months ago
@MrTiago1975 Thanks :) I'll probably include the other test as a backdrop for tomorrow's pixelnation.
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
every video i watch my mind is blown with maths! you my friend are a genius i must watch more!! :D
JebxT3aBagZz 3 months ago
@JebxT3aBagZz No no, I'm no genius. I just know really smart people who are patient with explaining the math to me :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
They grow up so fast ),:
LandMuffin 3 months ago
@LandMuffin ROFL :D, at 12x speed, they sure do :P
MrPixelTech 3 months ago 3
There is another option... What I did for my fields is that first I dug up the whole plot of land two squares deep, then I filled up that underneath with water, put the soil on top of it, then the light sources near that... seems to work pretty well and you don't have to worry about going around water, etc. Just a thought.
Masqueradia 3 months ago
all this for a few loafs of bread
JLPMinecraft 3 months ago
@JLPMinecraft :P Your favorite LPers do the same stuff, I just upload my testing as videos :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech i know :) i wasn't hating or anything :) just saying :P on a side note though, wouldn't it be more effective to use the farm on the left (during time lapse) as it has more wheat per block to the other, causing a much bigger yield per harvest?
JLPMinecraft 3 months ago
@JLPMinecraft Right, if you didn't watch the whole video, I gave credit to the field on the left for producing more crops. But our test was to see if the /2 was really that detrimental in terms of time. For overall complete growth, it is. For yield over time, it isn't.
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Actually your correct, i didnt watch the whole video, i felt undermined by somethings you were saying, i wont lie. Also now i think about it, it would give a better yield over time, my apologies sir
JLPMinecraft 3 months ago
@JLPMinecraft No need to apologize and I'm sorry you felt undermined. Would you mind telling me what was said and where that did so? I, by no means, think I'm an expert at this. 2500+ subs or not, I've only been doing this for about 2 months and could use all the constructive criticism I can get :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech well when you was referring to north or south and east or west, or how ever it went i was trying to understand the relevance it made towards the growth rate, i understand if you have said this in videos prior to this why you wouldn't explain in full. but i'm the type who needs all the information there in front of them to get the reasoning of to why you would be testing in a certain way. by buddy watched aswell and he understood entirely, im sure if i watched over i would understand
JLPMinecraft 3 months ago
@JLPMinecraft AHHH, fair enough. Yeah, a couple questions got asked about that and I probably should've put together a facts sheet to display at the beginning or something, would that have been a bit better?
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech sorry for a later reply :( but yeah a fact sheet before these science FTW videos would be much appreciated :P
JLPMinecraft 3 months ago
When I did the experiment, I came up with similar results. But I harvested the wheat and ended up with almost twice the wheat in the same amount of time from the fully plant field.
KUngFUandroid 3 months ago
@KUngFUandroid Exactly, in terms of speed difference. Rows will always win, but it's not by enough that if you're going for quantity, that planting full-out is detrimental.
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech I get how rows win if it was a speed contest. There were many level 8 plants early on in my test. Many more than the solid planting. But I don't understand how planting full-out is detrimental. That reference, I don't get. It was not covered in your video and I have not seen any anecdotal evidence of negative outcome from plant my fields in a solid pattern.
KUngFUandroid 3 months ago
In order for the field on the left to be more efficient in time, it should have a time for full growth that is equal to or less than 2.142 times the field on the right. However, if given a space constraint, the field on the left is better for area per harvest.
odin6616 3 months ago
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i no you have spent time on this but have you ever herd of bonemeal ?
bulletsonmylife 3 months ago
On the wiki it says the psuedo-code is NorthORSouth and EastORWest but you say it's NorthANDSouth and EastORWest. Does anyone know which is correct?
20ericpker20 3 months ago
@20ericpker20 I misspoke, sorry, corrected in the annotations, thanks for pointing it out :) (North OR South)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
Either way, I don't think anybody is realistically running out of food any time soon XD. I don't think I've ever really needed a farm that large.
logicalfundy 3 months ago
@logicalfundy no kidding right? :D Only issue with wheat is how little bread heals.
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
Thanks for shoutout. in a few hours my video views tripled XD <3's
SuperStishious 3 months ago 5
@SuperStishious No problem :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
The rowns clearly won? I would say that the full has more grown wheat... really, seeds are not a very limited resource, I will still go with the old method where I don't mind if a few haven't grown as I get 1,5 times the seeds back I need.
Atanar89 3 months ago
@Atanar89 We always knew the full would grow more wheat :P That was a given. The test was to see exactly how big the time difference would be if you went after more crops. Given that the full test still had some stage 0/1 growth in it, that's why I announced the winner that way. But yes, if you're after more wheat, regardless of how long it takes, that's the way to go. :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@insaneHacker999 One issue in you calculations. "Air" is technically a block and therefore is also asked to update. Either way, the wheat will grow about the same.
silentclowd 3 months ago
You should do one about chickens and laying eggs!
lookasneetch 3 months ago
It's like watching grass grow! Oh wait...
Beavermix 3 months ago 2
I think it would be intresting to do the same amount of corps and see witch grows faster. so make the Rows twice the size as the feild and see witch is faster for the same amount of crops.
JoCatofCatLand 3 months ago
@JoCatofCatLand You guys wanna see another video of wheat growth? I'm down, just let me know :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
The all over setup had twice as many crops as the rows did. Plus even if you harvested the all over setup early you would still get more crops than the rows. Therefore I am going for 4 8x8 all over setups in my world, in 4 chunks of course. Btw all over setup won just saying :P
kylez963 3 months ago
@kylez963 lol, we knew the overall setup would have more crops :P The probability goes from 1/2 to about 1/4-1/5 :P The test was merely to see if it actually ended up being a detrimental penalty (the growth_rate/2) in terms of overall time... given that the full-out is STILL trying to finish off about 10 plots of seeds after letting MC run for a few hours (and the original intent of the test), that's why I announced it that way :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Good point :P But you have alot of those you sir are very smart :D
kylez963 3 months ago
I would like notch to make wheat spread like shrooms. Oh but then you would have to start over from scratch lol.
AutomatorMC 3 months ago
But Theres Fuckloads More In The Full Out One Then the Rows . . .
ThePastaManCan 3 months ago
Surely, its better to do rows because if you have more crops, say 40 in a sqaure, theres more chance it could select an already fully grown block for growth chance? Therefore you will have some odd underdeveloped crops placed around more often ?
adamtheamazi 3 months ago
what i gathered, when low on seeds why not do the faster one? when high on seeds and low on wheat go to the opposite
lego358blast 3 months ago
@lego358blast I think that's the philosophy I'll go after in my LP, depending on what my farming habits are like these days :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
Nice song. Could you add the equation on screen next time?
yayimahuman 3 months ago
EPIC SONG FTW
BlackIceAY 3 months ago
@BlackIceAY Glad you liked it, make sure to go give Nicopolitan some love, he does some good work :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
Hi, what about switch wheat lines with non-wheat lines. Then you get 8 wheat lines insted of 7 wheat lines that means 8/7 times more wheat.
Is it correct or not?
timikx 3 months ago
@timikx but then the outside rows wouldn't have farmland on all 8 blocks around them, harming the growth rate.
You'd probably end up with about equal growth, factoring the extra growth chances with the harmed growth rate.
whitewingdevil 3 months ago
Great timelapse and music. Science FTW!
xisumavoid 3 months ago
@xisumavoid Thanks man :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
You didn't measure the results properly :/
The winner should have been the first one to have (insert number of plants in the rows setup) fully grown crops, to test if the growth rates were similar.
Otherwise you'd be asking the all out setup to grow twice as quickly as the rows setup in order to win
JDingDong8 3 months ago 13
@JDingDong8 I thought about that a bit, and almost did the test exactly as you were saying. But the original question raised by SuperStishious was whether going after MORE crops less often was really that big of a difference. That's why I tested it this way. I can easily repeat the test with the same number of crops if you guys want to see what the difference between the same number of crops are :) Let me know :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@JDingDong8 That's not quite true. When you're dealing with rates of growth it doesn't matter what the sample size is. It only matters how long it takes to complete.
SimplyGebus 3 months ago
@SimplyGebus I still think it would have been better if a few 'crops grown to level n - against time' graphs were shown, with the two farming arrangements plotted on the same axis.
Although I understand the need to sleep occasionally, that's probabaly what he should have done because when the time lapse ended, there seemed to be more level 8 crops on the all out side than the other - because there were more crops on that side, and therefore a greater number from that side were picked
JDingDong8 3 months ago
@JDingDong8 I agree that statistic would have been useful. But also when you're talking about efficiency the number of seeds planted/number of seeds & wheat returned is also a factor. The row system clearly was better in that regard.
SimplyGebus 3 months ago
Maybe I'm a math noob, but:
If you have twice as much crops, and it will take them twice the time, then it doesn't matter?
Or does it take longer than twice the time, mathematicly spoken?
MLMinecraftProd 3 months ago
@MLMinecraftProd It ends up being a bit longer than 2x the time. As it approaches about the last 1/4-1/5 of the farm, the growth rate goes CRAZY low :P
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
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rock100010000 3 months ago
Pixel I suggest you install world edit just because it's much easier then loading up MCEdit.
THENSJW 3 months ago
@THENSJW I agree. pixel should get that. i use it all the time on my server and its easy to use and is what he needs. I recommended it to him a while ago so i do not know why he has not gotten it yet...
SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago
@SuperGreenMiner Due to having to switch back and forth between a Science FTW jar and a LP jar
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Just chuck it on your Science FTW jar then.
SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago
@SuperGreenMiner I got an idea... write me a vbscript that will allow me to select check boxes for multiple bin folders as to which to launch with :D Please? :D
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech but then i would have to learn more of the language then i already do...
SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Please read this! you can have the rows be east/west because it doesn't look there if theres no wheat on it's north and south.
NikWillOrStuff 3 months ago 2
@NikWillOrStuff Right, the code is completely interchangeable there. :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
does a north south-strip grow faster then a east-west (or vice - versa)?
Danmill23 3 months ago
So we can have a bread party and eat quicker if we go with the design on the right. YAY! \o/
TheSTAGcast 3 months ago
It seems several questions pop up after every video, doesn't it?
TheNatManRS 3 months ago
@TheNatManRS If they didn't, I'd be perfect.. that'd be a bit boring :)
MrPixelTech 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech Boring is good. You should like boring. Everyone is boring. Boring is good. Join us Pixel. BE BORING.
TheNatManRS 3 months ago
@TheNatManRS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :D man, now when I go to bed I'm going to have images of gray people in black and white clothing all zombified coming after me. Instead of "BRAIIIIIINS!" they'll scream "BOOORRING" :P
MrPixelTech 3 months ago 11
@MrPixelTech I suppose you could always call upon army of Snow Golems to protect you. Or wolves. Actually, that sounds intriguing...I'm curious now. If you attempt to breed a Snow Golem and it start attacking you, does a tamed wolf attack it?
TheNatManRS 3 months ago
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SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago
@SuperGreenMiner Oopsie on your part.
TheNatManRS 3 months ago
@TheNatManRS Yeah. was not paying attention. but you should know, i do not cross the road like that. :P
SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago
@MrPixelTech BOOORRING
ShadowsChi 3 months ago
ur to smart i don't understand 90% of ur vids...
d3ltashot 3 months ago
lol
Ranger10700 3 months ago
last!
DanskerBoyHD 3 months ago
first!
SuperGreenMiner 3 months ago