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  • Fantastic video! I grew up on a 70 Diesel, that was only 15 years ago, my dad liked the old tractors too. :)

  • @johndeerejoe1 Thanks.

  • Very nice 730. Gotta love that idle ;)

  • Hi how long do you let your pony motor run after the tractor has started?

  • @51JohnDeereB That's a good question. Most pony engines had a hard life. Starting and stopping with little use in between. To the best of my knowledge, there is not a recommended method of running time. I know of a pony engine restorer that would run them quite a bit before and after starting in the belief that it would prolong the life of the pony engine. I think that is the best way to do it. The problem with that is the gas tank is so small, you soon will be looking for a gas can.

  • Remarkable. Really cool video. Thx for the history lesson, and that awesome start-up procedure!

  • @PirateSygnal Thanks, it is a fun tractor. JS

  • do you sell it?

  • @kaukoleniukas Nope!

  • I agree with, "One of the best sounds you'll ever hear."

  • beautiful tractor. Thanks for sharing

  • how much money was it

    

  • I saw your beautiful tractor in Green Magazine.

  • @1969nb Thanks. I had a little minni ditch digger on the back to lay a tv cable to my pole barn when I thought, "this would make a nice picture". That's how it happen! JS

  • We have an Old model R deere sitting in our shed. The pony popped a rod back in the 70's and was left alone. During that time my grandfather pulled it with another one of our tractors to start it until the early 80's. when it was parked in the shed and used as a shelf. to this day it still has not seem the light of day, covered with cardboard and plastic, than with what ever else could be piled onto it. I wish he would let me dig it out and work on it. Thanks for sharing!

  • @BillTheTractorMan You need to pull the old R out and bring it back to life. You have too much history there! It may be in better shape then you think. Richard Hain, editor of the Green Magazine, picked up an old R and got it back in running shape. It's not easy, but worth it. JS

  • @senyko I'm trying to find parts for the diesel and a new sleeve for the pony engine as it was rebuilt but one of the sleeves is bad.

    Any tips on where to find a rebuild kit for the diesel and a sleeve for the pony? I think if I can get some more info and show some more interest he might let me play with it some.

  • is it for sell? looks and runs great

  • I love hearing those things idle! I love those tractors.

  • @mrdeisel335 Yes, you never get tired of that sound!  JS

  • Why engage the cranking engine at full throttle and cause all that grinding, or is that necessary?

  • @flanksteak2 That was my fault. I engaged it a little to fast. If you do it right there is no grinding. You need it at full throttle as that is where it gets its power. JS

  • @senyko Thanks for the response.

    Is it possible to engage it at a lower speed and then throttle it up once it's engaged or would that cause the pony engine to stall?

  • @flanksteak2 This cranking engine is a very short stroke engine. It has zero lugging power. It gets all of its power from speed. It would stall quickly. Plus, it needs the full throttle as the exhaust of the cranking engine heats the incoming air for the big engine. It also uses the big engine's coolant to cool down the cranking engine which in turns heats the big engine coolant. This is done as per the operators manual.  JS

  • @senyko Thank You and excellent restoration!

  • Excellent vid !!!

  • @Oviner123 Thanks, JS

  • I have always wanted to see one of those old diesels being started with the pony motor. I had no idea that the pony motor ran so fast...Great video!

  • @247DrinkBeer Thanks, JS

  • That is a beautifully restored tractor.

  • @CALiber83 Thanks. JS

  • I liked your video very much.

  • @gwk4657 Thanks, JS

  • where are the hydrolic levers and the three point hitch lever on it?

  • @mringer66 The three point lever is the first lever to right of the seat, the next two levers are for the two remote hydraulic cylinders. JS

  • that was very interesting!!! thank you

  • Sure brings back a lot of memories! I spent so much time on one of those I began to think it grew out of my backside. We had a Massey 81, an H and the big diesel. Grew up in the corn patch around Ottumwa, Ia. And yeah no finer sound on the planet!!! Fella down the road had a gas 730 and a 60 and on the other side of us a 70 and a 50.

  • @Plurbus01 Yes, not many people can say that this was part of their growing up life. I'm glad that I can say that!  JS

  • Thanks so much for your video's, very informative with wonderful machines!

  • @geordo2001 Thanks, JS

  • My granda has a 730 that was converted to a 12 volt system, I believe.

  • @ureonmyhitlist If it is a diesel then I think you mean converted it to 12 volt electric start. I would like to know if that works good. If you mean convert the 6 volt electrical system with cranking engine to 12 volt, I think that would be difficult. JS

  • @senyko Yes, 12 volt electric start. I think it works pretty good, but I don't know much about it.

  • Beautiful Restoration! & I Agree, The 2Cyl John Deere Diesel engine is the Best Sound you'll ever hear, Like the Deep tones of a Locomotive Steam Whistle, Music to my ears!

  • @BulldogsWelding You have got it right!! JS

  • Thanks for the great explanation and demonstration of this unique tractor!

  • @WarrenSML Your very welcome! JS

  • the correct way to start one.. waitin on the oil pressure.. seen many people ruin big engine by starting to fast without waitin on the oil pressure.. nice tractor..

  • @whb1965 That is so true! JS

  • @senyko was that alot of money ;o im not that in to tractors and stuff but i like the sound of engines idk im weird im more into cars but what a mighty fine looking tractor that is lolz

  • @TheBran1262 I don't do a complete teardown restoration. I try to buy a decent running tractor and then make the necessary repairs. I did have to completely rebuild the cranking engine, fan unit, radiator, governor, inter thrust spacer on flywheel side crankshaft and much more than I can remember. Most of it was labor, so was not that expensive. JS

  • some fine lookin tractors ya got there

  • @CustomDeluxe1984 Thanks, JS

  • @senyko need to replace the stock muffler with a chrome strait pipe..lol

  • @whb1965 Yeah, that is pretty common but it's not for me. The throb of the engine sounds better with the stock muffler. JS

  • Qué belleza este 730 ! Aquí en Argentina fué un clásico de los campos. Gracias (thanks) !

  • @TortugoBionico Translated to english: (730 is a beauty! Here in Argentina it is a field classic, thanks.)

    I welcome your comment from your great country Argentina. The 730's that were exported to Argentina are desired here in the US as a great collectable item.  Thanks for your interest. JS

  • Very nice tractor, thanks for the history lesson, way to much of this information is getting lost and not passed along!

  • Best tractor video on youtube, excellent commentary and camera work, oh ya great looking and sounding tractor too!! 2 cylinder diesels are awesome!

  • @redcat19 Thanks, really appreciate that! JS

  • Good job on the camerawork!

  • @danielhpopp1 Thanks, JS

  • That looks like a very good restoration. It must have been a tremendous amount of work. Congratulations.

  • @Erictheirritated Thanks, it's not done yet. Still work to be done.  I guess there always will be! JS

  • sowe it a gas Diesel Tractor like the some olded dozers from the 1950`s

    

  • @mowat440 I think that you are referring to the International Harvester (Famall) Company which had gas/diesel change over. John Deere never had that combo. They used separate gas engines to start their diesels. JS

  • @senyko

    Diesel powered tractors became very popular when they were fitted with RELIABLE automotive type starting systems.

    Glow plug pre-warming systems completely replaced the need for start up engines used by JD & Cat. or the "gas start" diesel system used by IH.

    The "30" series JD were the last 2 cylinder JDs and they were a mixture of old and new technology.

    JD very briefly used a GM diesel in the 435

    Great video, very well researched too!

  • @OzzInter Thanks, JS

  • holy shit whenu got it goin made me jump

  • @texxan6912 Been around these two cylinders on and off most of my life, but still can't get enough of them! JS

  • i want one...=(

    great video!

  • @kddcc Thanks, the 730 diesel series are getting more expensive by the day! JS

  • 730's are a ton heavier then they look, very good tractors

  • Wonderful, wonderful, GREAT video! Best video of this tractor I have ever seen!

    Great explanation of tractor and use and options/accessories.

    My first experience of these tractors was at the age of four between my father's legs driving (while he was sleeping) his new 1954 70 Diesel with a 'pony' motor. When he purchased a new 730 Diesel to compliment the 70 Diesel, he chose the electric start and it became my tractor to use!

    I still get goosebumps from hearing the starting of this tractor!

  • @gardbr Thanks, I get goosebumps myself. JS

  • Great video & GREAT tractor. I grew up on a farm in SD in the 50' & 60's. We farmed with Case tractors, but I always loved the old "Johnny Poppers". A guy I worked for when I was about 15 had a 70 diesel, but didn't know how to start it right--he would open the throttle before he engaged the starting clutch--OK when cold but did it hot one time & the engine fired too soon, started backwards and broke a valve in the pony.

  • @mrfarmerjimbob

    That's a great story! 80% of people starting the two cylinder diesels have the throttle open. The operators manual tells you not to do that, but they do it anyway.

    JS

  • @mrfarmerjimbob

    i agree i love the old "johnny poppers".. i have 2 old poppers. i have a 1956 jd 60 and a 1948 jd B which is being restored and then going to be used for show... i love listening to the popping.. i put my ear up to the stack and just listen to it for a long time..

  • Nice 730, have to love the narrow fronts and the 2 cylinder

  • Very cool!

  • @jhofmann33

    Thanks, JS

  • nice video of your 730, why not add a video starting your '38 G now..back in the '60s we farmed a section with a 720D & 730e (elect. start).. never did like the electric start, couldn't keep those four 6volt batteries charged high enough to turn that engine enough cranks to start it even in the summer.. down side to the pony motor was points could burn up easy leaving the start switch on or running out of gas at the worst time, but I never tired of using either one when they were running!

  • @ANICON2006 Thanks for the comments. Everything you said is true.

    The old G starts good. Best one of our unstyled models for starting. Maybe I will put that on some day. JS

  • Take me back to 1959. Better times and better equipment. See if any of the this new modern foreign junk last this long.

  • i agree with that, i love that sound. Beautiful tractor

  • Beautiful tractor!

  • @slowride55

    Thanks, JS

  • @senyko How long was the restoration?

    

  • i really like john deere diesel tractor im an international guy but i mostly lokie all old farm tractor from all the makers

  • The peak of American engineering, quality and design!

  • I believe id rather have Internationals start on gas and switch to diesel. Nice tractor though.

  • @farmall51

    International tractor gas/diesels were a very good setup. They were the leaders in diesel engine technology for many years. You have a good argument. JS

  • I have got me a nice john Deere 70W Gas and it will be a pretty nice tractor once it is painted And it is so nice to see such a good sounding awesome lookin' antique john deere deisel

  • @1936johndeerea

    Thanks, JS

  • sorry im italian and im a bit ignorant about this kind of engine... but what does this have on it? like two engines? one for the warm up and one to ordinary drive?

  • @eltragonwithestilo

    Before 1960's there was no way to start a diesel (no glow plugs), especially when it's cold out, other than having a gasoline engine to start first which would warm up the diesel. When it was warm enough, then you could use the same gasoline engine to turn it over and start it. After the diesel engine started, then you would stop the gasoline engine. JS

  • @senyko thanks... sorry but here in italy we used to have gasoline tractors such as the "landini testa calda". thanks

  • i have a question even though the pony engine is meant for warming up the other engine, can you drive on the pony engine?

  • @K1ll3rM4st3r

    Yes you can. I fact some recommend this because the pony engine doesn't get enough use. I know one guy that uses the pony to drive the tractor out of his barn so that it doesn't stink up the place and give the pony a good workout. You just put it in gear, hold the engaging lever and push in the clutch. The gas tank only holds one quart, so you are constantly filling it though. JS

  • @senyko thanks for the reply

  • That is a mighty nice sounding 730 you got there. My dad to this day wishes he hadn't sold his 730 Diesel electric start. We still use our 1957 720 LP Gas every season to tug the sprayer around our farm. It's the 14th 720 ever made and the first one to make it to Texas.

  • @mr3vil666

    Great story!

    Thanks, JS

  • @lonerman270

    The float-ride-seat was a great option and the farmers loved it.

    JS

  • actually , the R model became the 80. 820 and 830. they had larger cubic inch engines than the g, 70 720 and 730.. nice tractor nice video...

  • @whb1965

    Yes, that is correct. The 70 (720 730) diesel is a smaller version of the R engine.

    JS

  • that is the correct way to start the diesel.. most folks dont watch the oil pressure on the big engine and crank it too fast.. great job..

  • @whb1965

    Your right. Also, most people advance the throttle before the start procedure which can do harm to the engine. You only advance the throttle when conditions are correct to start big engine. JS

  • Beautiful tractor and sounds great too!

  • @bensh1994

    Thanks, JS

  • Great tractor where in Illinois did you find this tractor and what condition was it in.

  • @electech72

    I can't remember exactly where, but was near Springfield, IL. I will have to dig through some of my paperwork. The tractor was rough, but sheetmetal was good and the big engine ran well. The inside thrust washer on the crank (flywheel side) was bad. The cranking engine was in very bad shape. It is a very interesting engine. 2 inch throw and 2 inch pistons. All pistons go up at the same time. Hard to work on, but is rewarding when it runs right after your done.

    JS

  • Fantastic tractor. Thanks for sharing a bit of John Deere history!!

  • Beautifully restored JD! Thanks for sharing such an informative video of agriculture's history with John Deere..

  • I love watching old tractors, John Deere or not, always been facinated in the way they startup, run, and move. Could ride on 1 for hours. Awesome video

  • doyouliketowatch,

    I agree about all of the old tractors. But the rhythm sound of the John Deere's makes the field work day go faster.

    JS

  • how do you shut the diesle off is it by pulling the throttle all the way back

  • johndeere528,

    Yes. There is a knob just below the throttle that stops the throttle lever for idle. When the stop knob is pulled out the throttle lever is pulled past idle to full fuel shutoff. JS

  • to change the spark plugs in the left side of the pony engine do you have to take the hood off and is the pony engine two stroke

  • johndeere528,

    You can change the spark plugs without taking off the hood, but it is difficult. The cranking engine is 4 cycle. It has a crankcase for oil. JS

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  • great great great!!!

    From Argentina

  • poderosov8,

    Thank You,

    JS

  • That is a great idle.

    Growly

  • TheDevindevin,

    Thanks,

    JS

  • Very nice 730! I just traded a case 930 for one! Pony start too!

  • 82Hellbilly,

    Hope all goes well with your 730. Maybe you can put it on YouTube soon?

    JS

  • Nice 730. I disagree with you on your starting procedure. Throttle should be at at least 1/8-1/4. That is why you had excessive cranking under full compression. I have a 720 diesel and it starts so much better with just a little throttle.

  • 720diesel,

    Well I have a difference of opinion on this, but appreciate the comments. Excessive cranking under commpression was my decision to build up heat (simulating cold weather). When I felt like it was ready to start, I advanced the throttle and it will start with nearly no black smoke as there is not any fuel in the combustion chambers until the throttle allows it. This is the recomemded starting procedrue by Deere.

    JS

  • @senyko Beautiful tractor. [ Drool ] I grew up with a 730DE and a 720 D Pony. Very nice and correct starting procedure. Very diplomatic reply to 720diesel. You are as cool as your tractors.

  • 1969nb,

    I wish I could have grown up with a 730D. We had a unstyled B, styled B and later a new 60. I loved that tractor! Thanks for the kind words. JS

  • Very beautiful sound and restoration! The 730 is one of my favorite tractors and I hope to buy one someday, I also really like the '38 G you have setting there, I am currently restoring a '38 B and I have completely disassembled it cleaned everything and put it back together with new or good parts wherever needed, I now have it running perfect and hope to get it painted next summer. Again, excellent job on both tractors! You should get a video starting and running the G. Thanks for the nice vid!

  • Thanks, My brother and got that G out of a junk yard with about quarter of its parts missing. Love that G also.

    JS

  • That is a very nice restoration job, I am working on restoring a 1956 john deere 60. i was very interested in the history of the tractor. just a great flawless restoration. Good Job.

  • BRRJD,

    Thanks, My Dad bought a John Deere 60brand new. The advancment over the A was amazing. Live PTO, live hydraulic, power steering and duplex carburator made a beautiful tractor. When you get done, you will love it. The 45 loader was also meant for that tractor. Got one for sale if interested.

    JS

  • Beautiful is all I can say. One of my favorites.

  • hows it in so good condition if its 1959

  • Moni370,

    Well time and money will make almost anything look and work like new.

    JS

  • nice. beautiful place you live in.

  • golfcarttractor,

    Thanks. As you can imagine, rebuilding that pony engine as a long story in itself.

    JS

  • This is an excellent video. Thank you for taking the time to create it and for doing such a fine job. Your 730 is a beautiful tractor!!!

  • Archivesman1,

    Thanks for the kind words!

    JS

  • Nice tractor !!!!

  • spyfox14,

    Thanks,

    JS

  • Does the 730 have much more power than the 70D?

  • 73828,

    The 720-730 diesel had a belt horsepower of 58.84 and the 70D had hp of 51.49.

    JS

  • Very nicely done sir!! One of the best videos period!!

    I remember these tractors fondly. My butt polished many of them seats!!

    Thanks for posting!

  • peptobiz,

    Thanks, I know what you mean by having your butt polished!

    JS

  • This has to be the best John Deere video on YouTube.

  • darkwood

    Wow, I thank you very much!

    JS

  • Beautiful tractors! :) absolutely flawless :)

  • rloh91,

    Thanks, JS

  • The only thing i got to laugh at all day thanks alot.

  • Great looking tractor. im having trouble finding one with a pony start and a nf. do you know of one? how much would it be worth?

  • jbrown,

    A good 730/830 with good cranking engine will go for $8000.00 to 12,000.00. Go to yesterday's tractor site and click on photo ads.

    JS

  • That tractor looks new, like it was made within the last year :P

  • yesiamanalien

    Thanks, JS

  • Awesome tractor's!!! Thanks for showing..

  • JDeereGP,

    Thanks, JS

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  • I think it sounds great when starting.

    OK, let me get this straight: You're engaging the compression release, then engaging cranking engine and crank, release compression release and crank, then a tap of the throttle and it goes? The cranking engine is gas, right? Enjoyed the video!

  • doltoy,

    Yes, that is correct. The last part of the starting operation is advancing the throttle. When it is very cold out, you need to run the gas cranking engine longer to warm up the big engine. Also, you can check the oil pressure. With the throttle pulled all the way back, fuel is shut off. By advancing the throttle when it is ready, it will start with no or very little smoke.

    JS

  • WOW, it sure sounds awful when starting up. My Benz had glow plugs didn't sound like that. OF course Mercedes knows how to make a excellent diesel engine.

  • anthony342,

    Yes, it should be called cranking engine.

    JS

  • Pricher1991,

    Thanks, JS

  • its harsh calling it pony .....

  • porno brilliant! ;)

  • dmeyer302

    Thanks. I agree. You have to spend time and money on them, but when they are right you can start the main engine about as fast and have more fun.

    JS

  • Mmm, the sweet sound of a two-cylinder diesel.

    Pony engines are just plain cool! I don't know why everybody is so crazy about electric start conversions and such.

  • stinos4,

    Thanks. Great to hear from you!

    JS

  • Verry nice movie & explaining things about the Tractor! John Deere Is The Best! Greets from Belgium!

  • i really dont have anything to add but when it is 40 below outside i will sit in here watch your video drink beer and let my 820 sleep thank you and youtube

  • Ah, the 820. That's as good as you can get!

    JS

  • Two nice restores.....do u do work with them or just show?