Sarah Palin: Obama's Birth Certificate a "Fair" Question to Ask

[grendelee]

Ok, fair question to ask. Here is the answer. yes, he has a birth certificate just like EVERYBODY ELSE. The end. Ask a question once, smart. Ask a dumb question again, you need to grow a brain.

[kuza01]

I feel sorry for America. One side worships Obama the other side worships Palin. Enjoy your fast food and reality television while you can folks.

[jakehubbb]

@kuza01 Yeah sry but here are more than two ways of thinking in America.. use some common sense

[kuza01]

@jakehubbb Sorry but the news media owned by AIPAC and the Defense Industry has stolen common sense in America.

[lancasterKENT]

Ha! Pls see the following link:

tinyurl . com / 6kq4jo

Notice at the bottom where it says "This copy serves as prima facia evidence of the fact of birth in *ANY* court proceeding."

Millions of Hawaiians use these to prove their citizenship every day.

Now can we stop all the Jim Crow requirement BS 4 the Prez. who won his election fair & square??

[clarity023]

Bimbo Palin is just jealous, she didn't win.

[AGTW31]

it is also fair to question Palin's intelligence.

[MsPaulRevere]

With these possibilites one can easily hide the Hawaiian loophole [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. from the 1940's - 1972 which allowed foreign born babies to be issued a COLB.

It's quite simple....Barry's long form needs to be disclosed for transparancy and clarification.

Yet this is obviously CONSPIRACY! AND RACISM! Because the Obots are scared their messiah is a fraud.

[sighedeffects]

You are the one insinuating a conspiracy...

You claim that President Obama conspired before birth to be a fraudulent president of the United States... I can't figure out why, though. Kenya is plotting to control the US president for what reason? Are they trying to depose Folgers and Maxwell House?

I do not know what you think or feel, but maybe you need to realize this ranting lunacy appears nothing more than racist , ethnocentric tantrums.

[MrPurplejersey]

There is no conspiracy theory here, especially one involving a plot to become president. There's every reason to think that the parents of a wayward 17 year old daughter in a shaky marriage to a Kenyan would do what they could to ensure to ensure their grandson's CITIZENSHIP (not natural born citizenship), if he had been born elsewhere. How many involved in this conspiracy? - 3 - Ann Dunham and her parents. Not really deserving of the "conspiracy theory" label, if you're being honest.

[sighedeffects]

To what end? Even if this were true, what is at stake? If he claims to be a natural born citizen, there's no attempt to subvert the rules, such as Arnold insinuated on doing. Do babies somehow form an allegiance with a foreign polity in the subconscious?

What about the previous administration having the President and Vice from the same state? They aren't supposed to do that, either. Did it really matter, though?

There is so much more outrage over this President's legitimacy. Why is that?

[MsPaulRevere]

Thus is the purpose of Medical Doctors, Nurses, Midwives and Registrars, acting as "Certifying Officials" of a birth, to ensure the integrity or chain of evidence of the birth certificate to be properly recorded within Vital Statistics archives.

Hawaiian state law allowed for an individual to confer and change their certificate -- and with affidavits -- bringing different possibilites of a long form...

so what does Zero possess? A certificate of live, late, delayed, or Hawaiian Birth?

[MsPaulRevere]

It's obvious the COLB presented online by Zero and Company tell us nothing.

Obamas abstract Certification of Live Birth doesn't tell us if there were ANY "certifying officials" present who independent verified the "facts" of his birth it's anyone's guess.

Obama himself cannot guaranty that he was born on American soil really, who can remember their own childbirth?!

[sighedeffects]

Well, at least you have the balls to say what most people in this debate are thinking and insinuating.

Anyone remember how Conservatives had a fit when the legitimacy of Bush's service record were questioned? Or even the 2000 election?

I see all this debate by armchair pundits... and I have a strong indication that none of them have studied law or politics outside of their "free time" or a high school civics class.

Blueghist should be the spokesmen for the tea party-at least they are honest.

[MsPaulRevere]

Typical blatherings and little facts.

Yes sighedeffects, please explain why Barry and the Boys can't produce a long form or even his short form in court setting saying "look, the matter's closed." This would have constituted res judicata, and acted to stop other similar lawsuits being filed with the first case Berg v. Obama.

So 100 cases later, Zero is paying top law firms as the motions keep going, appeals, etc. around the country.

Please explain the conspiracy of common sense. Crazy!

[sighedeffects]

Yes, typical blatherings . . . all over this topic.

No one in the Obama administration has claimed that he is not a natural born citizen, so to what end is all of this debate? Was there a conspiracy 40 years ago to get a Kenyan citizen to be President of the United States? Does this president serve a foreign interest? Are we going to have immigrant Presidents in the United States now?

What it really comes down to is that the President is not Anglo and people have a problem with that . . .

[MsPaulRevere]

Typical race baiting, simple arguments for simple minds. Zero's allegiance is not fully to this country, no surprise seeing the bowing to foreign leaders.

There is no conspiracy fool, your exclamations are laughable, and you know how this is resolved, quite simple, a long form birth certificate.

[sighedeffects]

Also, MsPaulRevere... your post has some nuance that is concerning... Who is "Zero"? And what is this "conspiracy of common sense?" And then you end with the word "Crazy!" - it certainly appears to be such.

Blanket your xenophobia and racism with whatever jargon you wish - it still comes up as antiquated and crazy. From my perspective, this whole debate is focused around a man with a non-Western name and complexion being judged on these issues.

[MsPaulRevere]

Your premise is laughable, your debate skills non existant, and you still can't tell us what hospital's Zero's born in or what country. Prima facie evidence that has already been explained on this thread of which involves actually reading. But continue the short bus tour.

[sighedeffects]

MsPaulRevere, you use plenty of scholarly verbiage and then turn around and refer to the President in condescending and demeaning context. You refer to the President as "Barry" - Were his predecessors "Ronnie, Georgie, Dickie, Billie?" Where is the causality to demean the President? His actions and policies appear (unfortunately) similar to every previous President, but he is of a darker hue - so what should we infer? and as for legitimacy - 2000 elections?

At least Blueghist is honest.

[MsPaulRevere]

Zero is a pro-marxist muslim kissing buffoon who hasn't run a donut shop. How's that? I can say whatever I want about a poor sap who was abandoned by his mother to his grandparents where he was no doubt sodomized or molested by his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, communist and pervert. It really is quite sick. And it's sad for Barry because we now have a greek tragedy playing out on the world stage with pathological narcissist and liar who is frankly, a fraud.

[sighedeffects]

Furthermore, what decade are you living in?

The "red scare" is over - and has been for quite some time. What do you dislike about Marxists? The concept of equality is that fearful to you? Evidently, since people who aren't white have to be challenged ad nauseum...

As a neo-marxist, I can firmly state that Obama is far from a Marxist. A marxist would have nationalized the automotive industry as well as the banking systems...and let the people profit.

[MsPaulRevere]

In addition clown, you and other Obots on this board can't tell us when Zero changed his name. Which is a legal name change no doubt on the birth certificate as well. You blather on and have no clue about Barry. That's right, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Obama, the names have changed if you know the history.

How about Alice Parker, Rev Wright, extreme associations you willfully ignore? Known communists/extremists visiting foreign ENEMIES OF STATE associated with Zero.

[sighedeffects]

You make these assumptions about me, calling me a clown when you are ranting like a lunatic about things that I can't even figure out why they matter.

I blather on? Glass houses much? You are now even making accusations of child molestation... to what end?

In what world does this matter? And have you even ever read the United States Constitution? Do you know how the American government works? Or do you get spoon fed tidbits from Michelle Malkin and Sarah Palin?

[sirjacko1]

WOW. Just to be clear... Obama has not yet produced his actual long form birth certificate. Nor has he produced his college thesis or the true history of his immediate family.

[MsPaulRevere]

In conclusion, dearest readers, the intricacies of Today's and prior versions of HRS §338, changes in Social Security requirements (in 1972), and Hawaii Department of Health internal policies lend to many different possibilities which render the abstract COLB insufficient evidence of where one is born.

Certification of Live Birth doesn't tell us if there were "certifying officials" present who independent verified the "facts" of his birth it's anyone's guess.

Thus..yes, the long form.

[nnjhansen]

One more time slowly, the COLB is the ONLY document issued by the State of Hawaii to prove birth in the State, the information on the released COLB has been verified by multiple state officials, the COLB is accepted as proof of US citizenship by every state and federal agency in the nation and under state law the information contained is "prima facie evidence of the facts therein stated."

[MsPaulRevere]

Well for the issue of transperancy verification of birth on U.S. soil for the U.S. Presidency, Barry can quite easily obtain it -

HRS §338, HRS §538, Hawaii Family Court rules & other state statutes require the Original Birth Certificate be available for — among other reasons — review by a Family Court Judge for Adoption & other Juvenile cases, which may come up years or decades after a child is born.

[MsPaulRevere]

If you need a copy of an original birth certificate (e.g., for a job application, if researching your family history, etc), you can obtain the Long-Form "CertificATE of Live Birth" by special request.

This would be the Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record Document Barry can fill out. Not hard at all.

And one more time you keep ignoring the changing statutes and loopholes in Hawaii law that make a COLB hardly prima facie, there is no hospital listed, time, signature.

[MrPurplejersey]

Who cares what Hawaii "issues"? Further, who cares what government agencies accept as "proof" for various other purposes?

A long form certificate, is clearly the best and most direct proof anyone has been able to identify. BTW, "prima facie proof" is not the same as "irrebuttable proof" or "best proof".

Beyond these arguments, why would a President bother fighting a request to produce his birth certificate, even if he had every right to refuse to produce it? Bizzarre!

[nnjhansen]

Why would a President consent to produce it if his not doing so allows him to paint his political opponents as lunatics?

"Prima facie" proof means it is to be accepted as accurate on its face. Absent some reasonable evidence that it is not true, it stands. No reasonable evidence has been presented to cause the information on the COLB to be disputed.

[MrPurplejersey]

No evidence has been presented at all, including the COLB, because no case has been tried. Of course, some of the evidence has to be obtained in discovery, just like any other litigation. Don't you think that's why COLB's are only prima facie proof, to allow for the possibility that in some cases they might be shown to be based on unreliable information? Otherwise, Hawaii wouldn't have provided the potential to rebutt them.

[nnjhansen]

So, you admit these suits were fishing expeditions to see if there was evidence to question the COLB?

[MrPurplejersey]

A "fishing expedition" is when you don't know if a document will be relevant. Clearly, the birth certificate, if it exists, would be relevant, one way or the other.

[nnjhansen]

No, if it contains no information that differs from the COLB, it is not relevant.

[MrPurplejersey]

You can't know if the information is "different" until you see the BC. There certainly is additional relevant information on a BC not contained in a COLB (attending physician, hospital, etc.). Also, we still don't know that there is a BC, may be an affidavit.

[nnjhansen]

Under Hawaii law the information on the COLB is accepted as accurate. In order to make the information on the BC relevant you must first present some evidence that suggests the information on the COLB is questionable.

The attending physician or hospital is of no relevance to the question of whether he was born in Hawaii.

Three state officials have verified the information on the COLB accurately reflects the information in the state's records.

[MrPurplejersey]

You're engaging in circular reasoning. The litigants are contending that the BC,or other birth document, will undermine the reliability of the COLB.  Obviously, no one will know if that's true until that document is produced and examined. And of course the other information is relevant! It would provide a way to independently verify the fact of Hawai'in birth. Finally, if the "state record' behind the COLB is an affidavit, it's no more reliable than the deponent of that aff.

[nnjhansen]

What you are doing is engaging in a fishing expedition. You have no reason to believe that the COLB is inaccurate, in fact the evidence strongly suggests it is accurate. Hawaiian law states that it is is accurate on its face. The job of the courts is not to satisfy mere curiosity, it is to resolve real disputes.

[MrPurplejersey]

It's not the job of courts to judge the evidence before all of it is put before them. You're trying to do that very thing. Hawai'in law cannot govern interpretation of the Constitution. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[nnjhansen]

There is no real dispute here for a court to settle. In order to bring an action before the court there has to be a real dispute. There is no real dispute in this case.

There is no evidence to suggest that Barack Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Even if there were there is no judicial remedy available to any court.

[MrPurplejersey]

Your argument is not why the cases have been dismissed, and would not be a successful argument to dismiss the suits. Obviously, there is a dispute about his birthplace and the determination of that dispute will have legal consequences. You're talking about your assessement of the evidence, not whether there is a cause of action.

[nnjhansen]

The suits never got to the point I am speaking of. They were dismissed for issues of justiciability, standing, and remedy.

[MrPurplejersey]

You don't appear to understand what a "fishing expedition" means in a legal context, but I won't repeat my earlier explanation.

[nnjhansen]

I think I spent enough time practicing law to know what a fishing expedition is. It is what you are on.

[MrPurplejersey]

Not quite enough time, I would say.

[MrPurplejersey]

There is absolutely no doubt that the birth certificate would be subject to production if any of these cases survived the motions to dismiss on standing, jurisdiction, etc.

[MrPurplejersey]

Con'td...

You do realize that one state's officials don't just get to say "trust us" when it comes to Constitutional compliance? Is it your argument that when some bureaucrat says something is so, it must be so? Would have made Watergate a lot simpler if that was correct!

[MsPaulRevere]

Ha ha. Wrong. The burden is on Barry to show a long form yet you will keep posting everything you can to prevent this option. Which one of the law firms employed by Zero are you working for NNJ?

Physician, Hospital is the evidence, the COLB is an abstract digital image that tells us nothing.

[nnjhansen]

It tells us his place of birth. That is what matters in this instance.

[MsPaulRevere]

it tells us nothing.

The COLB needs further verification if Zero was actually born in Hawaii because of real loopholes as I've posted which you keep obviously ignoring.

I'm done repeating, and your subjectivity is quite apparent and in full review.

[nnjhansen]

The COLB was sufficient for the bodies empowered to decide.

You have presented no evidence which calls the information in the COLB into question.

You think it needs further verification but the bodies that matter disagree.

[MsPaulRevere]

No the officials verified a certificate exists, further statements are violating HI statute without BArry's approval or court order:

HI Statute 338 ---- "The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

[MsPaulRevere]

The COLB hasn't even been presented in court, only mentioned by Barry's lawyers as online. Of course this was "VERIFIED" by Factcheck.  right? LOL Which we come to find out are 2 journalists with ZERO qualifications in document analysis that the Obot's and lax press take without question.

[nnjhansen]

Why should it have been presented in court? Courts play no role in the matter.

[MsPaulRevere]

Blatant willful ignorance of the facts on Hawaiian state loopholes that render the COLB NO EVIDENCE OF A HAWAIIAN BIRTH, PRIMA FACIE IS A WITNESS AND HOSPITAL NAME, still playing the apologist for Barry eh?

The Obots and there affirmative action candidate (since race is now a factor, their words) want a free pass on full disclosure, which somehow a $10 document is a BIG DEAL???

Rather Zero and lawyer troupe carry on not even disclosing a print copy of the COLB?

[sighedeffects]

Firstly, for the record, you began name calling - so insulting my debate skills is a moot point from someone resorting to such childish tactics.

Second, I do not see the "race baiting" - simply that someone is not a white Anglo and suddenly there is contempt for them. If it is not racism, what is it? Why such concern?

Third, why you would assume that I support President Obama because I think you are a ranting loon? The two are not mutually exclusive.

Also, did i say "armchair politician?"

[JPK7777777]

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[cchege]

who cares about the damn birth certificate. he doesnt have to show anybody shit?? republicans are such sore losers.

[railroadtrash09]

Why are we talking about this??? Why can't he produce it??? Does it say that he is really white instead of black? Why does Obama have so many problems producing the stupd thing? If it is stupid, then he should produce it to the public and quit playing these games!

[bigshotandzapps]

Wheres the birth certificate!?

[NamchuWangden]

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[mecos9]

Try checking up your ass!

Right next to the dildo!

And the hamster!

[JPK7777777]

Employees in our country have the obligation to present their credentials to their prospective employers. Gosh, that's us!

What does he have to hide?

[JPK7777777]

When one applies for a job in the USA, it is customary that the potential employer receive all pertinent data related to that candidate's credentials, to include college transcripts, driver's license information, social security information, etc.

Background checks are then run to determine the candidates fitness for the position.

Especially in these times when we have enemies within our own borders, it is imperative that those credentials be checked for security purposes.

[JPK7777777]

Mr. Obama seems to feel he is above the law. He has spent mega-dollars in his defense against the Citizenship lawsuits, to include those suits having reached the US Supreme Court.

See my page under Playlist tab for the Natural Born Citizenship Lawsuits to see how, using a software program, his fraudulent Birth Certificate which was posted on online was created.

[busymartian]

Have you ever read the citizenship lawsuits. Please do. It's a great read. The stuff these lawyers are accusing him of is truly amazing. This and that these lawyers don't seem to know the judicial system very well. They somehow thing burden of proof is on the defendant.

[JPK7777777]

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[Jerricho68]

B.S. Hussein Osama is the Antichrist but she is not an American citizen. That retarded bastard could not run a lemonade stand.

[busymartian]

So that would make all non-Americans Antichrists.

You really think things out don't you?

[Jerricho68]

You are a retarded ape. Mouth off to your master in person bitch so you can get to hell asap you deluded assclown.

[busymartian]

Your mother should have aborted you and put a bullet in her own head just to be safe.

You know it's true.

[Jerricho68]

Get on your knees before your massa you pocchuni bitch. You know you can not compete with humans. That is why you need welfare and foodstamps to survive. Your masters generosity is the only thing that keeps you breathing.

[busymartian]

getting on you knees is something you know well. Faggot.

[Jerricho68]

You have to pick your masters cotton you subhuman monkey boy.

[busymartian]

How bad do you want to call Obama a nigger?

[Jerricho68]

How badly do you want to pick your masters cotton boy?

[ZombieX13]

stfu, racist.

[steam0001]

Well yes. I tend to against all half witted jackasses.

[steam0001]

I wasn't talking about any fake. I was talking about the COB that Obama put on the web. The one the mouth piece for the white house referred to when asked about a birth certificate.

To get a COB you just have to have someone swear under oath that you were born in Hawaii before it became a state.

Even this doesn't have me fooled ever! But you are correct when you admit to being truly sorry.

[bkw12]

THE REASON THIS IS SO STUPID IS BECAUSE THE SCOTUS(THE SUPREME COURT OF U S) DID NOT EVEN WANT TO LOOK AT IT. THIS IS THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND(SCALIA, ROBERTS AND ALITO). WHAT IDIOTS, NOTHING WILL EVER BE ENOUGH. I GUESS ITS JUST LIKE THE LEFT WHO KEPT PUSHING THE CONSPIRACIES ON GWB ON THE RESERVES AND 911. Anyway, nothing will come of it but thank God for Constitution.

[sighedeffects]

Thank you - voice of reason.

[SeekerNLife]

It's the coverup that keeps this question alive.

Millions spent by TeamObama to keep his Birth Certificate hidden...

All of his records where a Birth Certificate would've been on file....Sealed.

They've been acting like they're hiding something.

We have a right to be curious.

If the handjob media had an ounce of integrity, they would be investigating this.

[busymartian]

I keep hearing about these millions that were spent in court, but no proof of it. Obama's lawyers mostly just file motions for dismissal which are quick and cheap.

And for your info: EVERYONE'S BC are sealed!

[MsPaulRevere]

Quite dense. Does it need to be explained to you that lawyers are paid for showing up in court? LOL

Zero's been represented by top constitutional lawyers from Perkins Coie, Kirkland & Ellis, Williams & Conley, Mayer, Brown & Platt. Yeah, that's not expensive right?

Nearly 100 suits at various levels across the U.S., his lawyers run by Robert Bauer are managed, all documents vetted. Sink in?

Conservative estimate, low MILLIONS he's spent thru campaign contributions mostly.

[busymartian]

Some are paid, some do it pro bono.

If you get a chance, read some of the cases filed against him in court. It's clear the Constitution isn't these people (Keyes, Taitz, Berg...etc) are interested in. Rather it's trying to destroy Obama. (Gay sex, Muerder, 39 SS#s, Fake Kenyan Birth Certificates...Sheesh!)

Pretend you're a graduate of Harvard Law. Would YOU have good representation?

[MsPaulRevere]

Your excuses are lame, he's spending MILLIONS NOT TO SHOW A SIMPLE FORM? It's good you've read the other things going on, because Barry's false ss# were found by private investigators, there were actually over 200 addresses and job positions found in databases for Barry and Michelle. Many of the addresses don't exist in real life, as researched by locals driving to local or by online tax survey maps. Some type of campaign fraud they have been involved in. Murders, yes, more than you know.

[MsPaulRevere]

I've sent you some links, 7 African press reports screensaved stating KENYAN BORN OBAMA,

also various hospital name birthplace discrepencies links including White House news conference video Spokesclown Gibbs unable to disclose what hospital Barry was born in.

Anybody want some? Let me know

[busymartian]

Yes, this is called "quote-mining." What about the overwhelming amount of articles using the term "Kenyan- decended?"

Gibbs not knowing the Hospital's name? absence of evidence means evidence of absence?

Too easy!

[MsPaulRevere]

What's easy is showing a long form. That's the evidence. It's what you're not saying that's very obvious for all here to enjoy.

[busymartian]

Not enough for the birthers. They've already moved the goal posts claiming among other things the Obama is not eligable to be president because of his Mom's, age, his Dad's citizenship or that Hawaii isn't legally a state.

Do you honestly thin one document would change things? Look what happened when he posted his Standard-issue Birth Certificate!

[MsPaulRevere]

Busy is still busy making excusing for not showing PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF A BIRTHPLACE by a long form . Exceptions/allegiance to U.S. constitution or Barry?

His father's citizenship is a legal issue. 2 American parent requirement upheld U.S. Supreme Court cases U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,(1898) and Perkins v. Elg, (1939); but SCOTUS isn't going to deal with this. Yes it needs to be clarified.

Barry sinks or swims on what's on his b.c. which the Obots don't want disclosed.

[MsPaulRevere]

You can go ahead w/ the other lying excuses how barry can't get his long form, they are not on file anymore LOL it's been heard before and all false.

The posted COLB was not even accepted til June 09 with Dept of HI Homelands. It tells us nothing.

The intricacies of Today's and prior versions of HRS §338, changes in Social Security requirements (in 1972), and Hawaii Department of Health internal policies lend to many, MANY different possibilities

[busymartian]

And it's the possibilities your interested in, not where the evidence takes you. You might as well be in the Twilight Zone.

Obama posted his COLB, This was confirmed by HI Dept. of Health. Then we find two newspapers that posted his birth announcement in 1961.

Any real evidence to the contrary? Anything that holds up? Anything? Hm?

And that's why you are a conspiracy nut. You reject reality.

Now go play your Beatles records backwards. Turn me on deadman.Turn me on deadman.Turn me on deadman

[MsPaulRevere]

You reject evidence that proves a point. My opinions mean nothing, it's what's on the special line on Barry's long form, which you don't want to see.

I've explained the inadequacy under the law of a COLB, you reject reality. Birth announcements that Barry's lawyers never show in court, why is that Busy? It's because they prove nothing, it's not court evidence, and prove a birth took place phoned from anywhere. Good enuff for you, good luck with that. But the real world is much harsher.

[busymartian]

You presented no evidence. Just "What ifs."

Obama's lawyes didn't have to present evidence did they? THE CASES KEPT BEING THROWN OUT OF COURT! Please read these cases. You'll wonder how the birther lawyers passed the Bar.

And the COLB, according to Hawaiian law, it's a legal equivalent to the original.

Hawaii's dept of Health confirmed that the information in the COLB matches the original.

Just by the fact that you call Obama names shows you will never accept the facts.

[MsPaulRevere]

Busy in order to think like an adult, one must be objective. You can't seem to deal with the fact no evidence has been submitted, which is a long form birth certificate. Stop the Zero worship, now you've progressed in your argument to telling lies. Ready to get educated?

Hawaii dept of Health violated it's own state law by declaring info about a long form. They can't. I say he's born in Zanzibar. Who's right? That would be evidenced on the long form. No conspiracy, not complicated.

[MsPaulRevere]

A COLB is 0. Was not accepted as proof for DHHL as of 2009 June!!! statement: "[Certificate]This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL." And why is verification needed genuis? YOU WON'T TALK ABOUT HI STATUTE 338 LOOPHOLE, AND VARIATIONS OF A LONG FORM.

[nnjhansen]

Assuming the DHHL did not accept the COLB, the relevant question is WHY they did not.

Did they need information that was not provided on the COLB? If so, the point is irrelevant as 'Place of Birth' is provided on the COLB.

Or

Did they question the accuracy of the information on the COLB? If that is the case, the department acted contrary to state law which clearly states that the information contained on a COLB is "prima facie evidence of the facts therein stated."

[MsPaulRevere]

Your putterings of what the DHHL could be doing is nonsense

You don't grasp the many loopholes in Hawaiian law and it's history, the variations and possible modifications made of a certificate; so yes, it can say "Place of Birth" Hawaii, but one still could be born in a foreign country. And how could this be? .........

[MsPaulRevere]

Example:

1) in the 1960s, create a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" via affidavits from mom and/or grandmother

2) after 1972, convert it to a "Late Birth Certificate" (which can still be done today)

3) anytime thereafter, convert it to a "Certificate of Live Birth"

4) after Nov 2001, when the abbreviated "Certification of Live Birth" began to be issued, it would be easy for Obama to hide the paper trail that would have disqualified him.

[nnjhansen]

And do you have any evidence of any of these things happening?

Do you have a single example where something similar to this did happen?

Do you have a single example of someone demonstrably born outside the State of Hawaii with a COLB listing Hawaii as the place of birth?

The most important question however is, are you being sure to take all the medicines the doctor prescribed?

[MsPaulRevere]

I don't need to post facts you can quite easily obtain online. Now since you've lost the argument your blathering.

These are the objective facts nnj, hard to swallow for some but Hawaii is unique in it's loopholes, changing statutes and certificates making many possiblities and the Long Form which you and every Obot ARE OBVIOUSLY SCARED TO HAVE DISCLOSED is for the 1000th time evidence of what occured.

[nnjhansen]

One more time, I am not an Obama supporter and never was.

Two state officials have confirmed the accuracy of the information on Obama's COLB.

The Electoral College voted for Barack Obama, the Congress certified the election, the Chief Justice administered the Oath. Barack Obama is the President of the US and nothing short of impeachment and conviction can change that.

You are accomplishing nothing other than to make yourself and by extension all other Obama opponents look STUPID.

[MsPaulRevere]

And your obvious and subjective avoidance of Hawaii loopholes is on full display. Why?

I've sent you links to the various certificates.

Yes, it is amazing, everything was certified, we have criminal conspiracy and negilgience. But you have to understand, John McCain was born in Colon, Panama -- not eligible. Nothing discussed on Fox, Limbaugh etc. about that either. also look up how many states Roger Calero for Socialist Worker's Party was on the ballot....and he's born in Nicaragua!

[nnjhansen]

One more time, John McCain was eligible.

[sighedeffects]

Yes, Obama started planning for the office of President in the 1960s... that is so rational.

I sincerely suggest you refrain from hurling more insults at me, as I am still holding my tongue. I do believe continuing to insult me will be a watershed moment in your racist ideologic rants about a conspiracy to put a non-Anglo in the office of president for some unknown reason other than to trick the public into voting for a Kenyan just because they can do so.

[MsPaulRevere]

Busy been reading your left wing blogs again. The cases were dismissed on "standing", not thrown out. You need to learn legal terms. There's been over 100 cases questioning Zero's eligibility around the country. And Barry's lawyer teams at top law firms are getting paid major bucks to fend off DISCOVERY. More of that hope and change and clear intentions for you. All this over a $10 document? Yet you stand in defense of any transparancy for your messiah? Please.

[MsPaulRevere]

You see, had Zero disclosed his vault copy in the Berg v. Obama lawsuit (which was the first lawsuit filed), and it was established he was born in Hawaii, that would have constituted res judicata, and acted to stop other similar lawsuits being filed.

Barry won't do this. His lawyers are still gettin paid Busy. Wow, the conspiracy of common sense continues, except for the Obots. Fear sucks don't it. 

Real proof can only be submitted by Barry. We're waiting................

[busymartian]

Check the case again. That's not the only thing he wanted. He was asking for documents that didn't exist, like a Kenyan BC.

He also submitted as evidence the interview of Sarah Obama that he was born in Kenya. (Listening to the whole tape, you'll hear her clearly point out 3 or 4 times he was born in Hawaii.)

This is the same Phil Berg that submitted as evidence a Canadian BC with Barck Obama's name on it. (it was signed by Dudley DoRight!)

Would you help Phil Berg sue you?

[MsPaulRevere]

Is it a true LONG-FORM, "CertificATE of Live Birth" signed by a M.D. or midwife? or type of "Certificate of Late Birth" with modifications, even as late as 2005?... or affidavits signed by Ann Dunham or Obama himself after birth . leading to a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" (permitted for births before 1972)?

[MsPaulRevere]

OR perhaps even NOTHING at all (a lost, invalid or incomplete "root document" — remembering that Obama's computer-generated CertificaTION is UNIQUE, stating "Date FILED by [Local] Registrar" VS "Date ACCEPTED by State Registrar").

These are the possiblities, that's why we need to see the long form birth certificate.

Crazy Conspiracy I tell Ya!

[busymartian]

Crazy Conspiracy indeed!

My two Hawaiian friends have the same exact kind of document, down to the "Date FILED by [Local] Registrar"

This must mean they're both from Kenya!

[Anticrombie918]

she's so fucking stupid

[hotblud82]

ok people, Sarah Palin will not be your next president...she is an idiot. I think she means well and I do not hold anything personal against her but come on, pay attention to how she acted in the last election. If you want a true patriot with the will and knowhow to rebuild this country, elect Ron Paul in the next election.

NO MORE LIES

Ron Paul 2012

[steam0001]

What is Ron Paul's position on abortion?

[hotblud82]

he views abortion as an act of violence but he does not believe that the federal government should play a role in abortion. He believes that it is up to the state lawmakers to set their own precedent on the issue.

[tjcombo84]

anchorlady: "He already produced his birth certificate", then where to fuck is it ??? Lying scum!

[steam0001]

He produce a COB Certification of Birth. He put it up on the web but for some reason didn't submit it in court as proof of birth.

That speaks volumes about the legitimacy of the COB in my book.

[tjcombo84]

he didnt submit it in the court cuz its not the PROOF! Thats a 'Certificate of Live Birth' NOT a Birth Certificate !!!

[tjcombo84]

But the the same time, i cant understand why Obama just dont make a Fake-Real one, i mean he probably got the power to make a fake one which looks more real than the real once ... ?

[steam0001]

Well he would have to have it on record with the state, signed by a real doctor, & very last detail perfect or the whole thing would blow up in his face. Much easier to stall & hope the whole thing goes away. Helps that he has libtard media in his pocket.

[2242bzo]

Now they're fucking you in your asses out in the open. America is braindead. Dangerous days are a comin". Of course, Obama is a liar and usurper.

[N37BU6]

Damn right it's a fair question to ask!

I bet his daddy is Frank Marshall Davis.

[boots920]

There's 0 proof that Obama is a US citizen a short form is not legal proof of citizenship.

Why do I know because I had to go through the process myself.

No long form , no proof a citizenship.

Now you got to ask yourself what's Obama hiding ?

You want a non eligible President sending the Youth of

America to a Vietnam Redux.

You people are nuts for putting up with the bull shit.

[clash360]

Can we quit talking about Sarah Palin's facebook!

[computerpurple]

There are 2 questions in regards to the issue of Obama's birth certificate - 1. Is it in good legal standing for him to be president?. 2. If all is ok in regards to his b.c. then why can't We the People see it?. Im interested in the 2nd question to be answered by Obama him self.