I used to play with the dolls...and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Because my english is too bad... but in french i could destroy him quiet simply. I red the Coran and i was surprised how arrogant it is... with no love... no pity... just Blood and Laws... horor...
Blah blah blah... always yap yap yapin' with this pseudo-wise attitude of pseudo-knowledge. But all thoses motherfuckers just want to find excuses to the shit that we find in their so called holy Book wich is holy my ass !
I will never submit to your fuckin' Sharia and i will never be your dhimmi !
People did not mature at earlier ages in earlier times. Earlier puberty results from modern, better diets. Prior to the 20th Century, women did not usually reach puberty until the ages of 17 or 18.
That's not true - I'm afraid you are the one who's lying - we all know the earlier marriage customs. "Girls" married very early (for the "modern" understanding) and they got children very early. "Young teenagers" were employed with jobs of heavy responsibility, like this 17 year old who was responsible for the army
Yes, they were given much responsibility when young, even marrying, but they could not have children. In the West, mostly the nobility, who were better fed and clothed and housed, married young as alliances among families. Often the marriage would be performed but the children were not allowed to cohabit until they were older. The girls did not have children until their teens.
everything about pedophelia is pop up recently after secularism in modern days. It is not an issue before, just to make my prophet look bad. Secularism come from the west, and western people want the whole world listen to them, or else war.
He's so full of lies. A nine-year-old has not reached puberty. It is abnormal. The Muslim attitude is that marriage fixes everything. Why would a girl who has been raped want to marry her rapist? That is her only option, because otherwise she will never marry, never have a job, and she will be ostracized by everyone around here.
the truth is that many of the girls in my neighborhood in nyc began menstruating at 9, 10, and 11. overnite they were fully developed and horny as toads. to the eye, they were adult women. I knew of three girls who had kids as early as 11, by boys 13 and 14. Others by much older guys. I wonder if they would have preferred a stable marriage, instead. I used to want to get married at puberty so I wouldn't end up a loose goose having babies with any guy. My friends were fast.
Since you were supposedly a Muslim at one time...can you tell me were in Qur'an Allah tells people to molest anyone or do any injustice. I can say with certainty that there is no command for this. I have to add that everything in hadith is not true. it is not the direct word of God. I have done well in my life following the guidelines of Qur'an primarily. If you can guide all of humanity better then I suggest you try writing your own book of eternal wisdom.
murder is a murder, and Paedophilia is still Paedophilia no mater what they say. Puberty is must be mesured not by the ability of having a children but by being a muture. And only man with low moral would marry a litel girl. In islam most of the time woman is lower than a man. I wonder if thouse people been broght to this world by a woman...
Do you have any proof for what you just said? How mature had Aisha (r) been? I think you don´t know - just like most ignorant people who pretend to be smart while talking without knowledge. - and by the way I´m a woman, so could you please enlighten me, how Islam treats me as "lower"? very strange - I never noticed that myself.
To start, a woman's testimony in court only counts for half of a man's. Men may have multiple spouses, women may not. A man may divorce a wife by simply saying three times, "I divorce you." A woman may not. If a divorce is granted, the man automatically receives custody of the children. All the woman receives is her dowry back.
Pfff... Another retard who thinks angels talk with child molesters... I got a brain years ago and left islam. But a poor mongoloid like you still believes in mumbo jumbo.
give it up retard, your just another brainwashed idiot. mongolid?? how do you know I'm a mongolid - you islamophobic scum make me sick - why all this hatred and racism.
Go rape someone or kill yourself or whatever else you "civilised" (lol!) people in the west usually do <3
How do i know u r a mongoloid? Because u cant say not even ONE inteligent thing. For example, u talk like if rapes r inexistent or rare in islamic underdeveloped (lol!) world. And u think insulting a religion is racism (Hahahaha) Whats to expect of a brainwashed retard who thinks that a pedophile could talk with angels. Go rape a child like u do in your islamic underdeveloped (lol!) nations. What a funny mongoloid.
I called you racist because you called me and still call me mongoloid as if being mongoloid is something bad -> that's clearly racism retard, do you get that?!
Mongoloid is also a person with Down sindrome, a sindrome whose victims have low inteligence level And you dont know that, brainless ignorant Hahahahaha (i.e. mongoloid is another word for retard, which u prove u are - again).
Go see some child pornography once u cant have women and waste your life with pointless prayers and fastings in the hope of having 72 whores in your imaginary heaven. And go to a nuthouse because of your belifs in angels talking with pedophiles.LOL
And please don´t come up with those rubbish arguments islamophobs always bring up, like "honour killings", "woman are not allowed to work" etc. - we all know, or should I say *educated* people know that this is not from Islam - so go get your facts right before spreading your nonsense
well, I wasn´t born yet 1400 years ago, and unfortunatly I´m not a scholar of islamic history, so I can´t give you names of women married to 9 year old boys - why does that matter anyway? I told you what the islamic ruling is
It was said that even the marriage custom of the British people 1400 years ago was no any difference from the Arabs. People were more mature at that time compare to most of the people during these days. Its just the perspectives and the views of the people nowadays have change.
I think it's unreal how this muslim and other muslims alike are trying to justify Muhammad's child molestation.
Muhammad married a 9 year old child and would have obviously had sex with her! WTF? I don't care if it was 10,000 years ago, having sex with a 9 year old child is repulsive, immoral, evil, and it's paedophilia.
"Nine a common age for pubity"? Yeah right, Aisha was an innocent 9 year old child who was exploited by a paedophile, PERIOD! so everyone get over it.
Yes, so is hugging. Kissing was developed by the Romans and only practiced on their children. Later one it became more. I kiss and hug my children and my relatives. There is NO sex involved.
hmmm... first off - I am a Muslima and I´m pretty sure that I am not "stupi d", at least compared to people like for instance you
Can I ask you a question? - Why is 18 the bottom line for you, why not 20 or 16 years or anything else? I don´t know were you live but here in Germany were I live the bottom line is 16 years.
If you don´t agree with our opinion, i.e., the muslim opinion, I´m o.k. with that, but I´m really intereseted in your arguments, if you have any reasonable argumants.
You're right. You might not be stupid and good . You might be smart and evil. I'll leave it to you to decide which one it is.I guess you're campaigning for a new 9 year old age of consent then? Will you be raping your new child bride while she's still conscious or will you beat her until she passes out?
Sorry, I have to belie your expectations. Yes, I live in the west, but al-Hamdulillah, my religion, Islam, kept me pure insha´Allah, so that I´m not affected by the corrupt "morals" of this society.
I leave the joy of rape, wife-beating and paedophilia to people like you, people who believe in unlimited freedom of speach, people who consider child porn to be freedom of expression.
You are such a disgusting hypocrite. You have videos like "German brother and sister practice incest", "Incest the best", "Very Sexy Stepmom Doing Her Son", "Agressive Lesbo Kiss" ... in your favorites list and you still have the audacity to come here and accuse me and all Muslims to be immoral, you phony hypocrite.
And by the way, no one said that the women should not decide for herself. From the islamic point of view it is necessary that the woman (as well as the man) has to agree. So what´s your point?
Instead of making a value judgement, why don't you challenge the speaker's arguement for justifying Muhammad's marriage to Aisha right upon her entrance into puberty? AND if your going to adress his arguement in a logical manner you need to suspend your personal value system, which is simply based on a 20th-21st century experience. To ju
Informative video - thanks for posting.
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ThunderDog97 3 years ago 3
fair enough.
observant09 3 years ago 3
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls...and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
JayFilomena 3 years ago 2
Very reasonable stuff.
blandflabbis 3 years ago 3
Because my english is too bad... but in french i could destroy him quiet simply. I red the Coran and i was surprised how arrogant it is... with no love... no pity... just Blood and Laws... horor...
LostOrpheus 3 years ago
well, if you can't even talk properly why don't you just shut up?
come on, try and refute the sheikh and stop this stupid excuses - you can take your time - I will be waiting for you =)
my english isn't perfect, too - so it would be fair
murisurena 3 years ago
prove it.. kufar
lifeisshort22 3 years ago
!!! Islam Rocks !!!
=)
murisurena 3 years ago 2
Blah blah blah... always yap yap yapin' with this pseudo-wise attitude of pseudo-knowledge. But all thoses motherfuckers just want to find excuses to the shit that we find in their so called holy Book wich is holy my ass !
I will never submit to your fuckin' Sharia and i will never be your dhimmi !
LostOrpheus 3 years ago
yeah blah blah blah - that's all stupid people like you can say =)
instead of talking sh*t why don't you refute his arguments and his "pseudo-knowledge" ->
hahaha, your so funny retard =D the only one with pseudo-knowledge here is you, dummmy
and don't be afraid as no one wants you as his neighbor, stinky ;) so no need for you to "submit" to the great Shari'a
P.S.: Your paranoia is alarming, go to the psychiatrist before you do something crazy
... no need to thank me for that advice ;)
murisurena 3 years ago 2
!!! Islam Rocks !!!
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
You're boring.
dudelette 3 years ago
no, but rather I'm cool ;)
<3
murisurena 3 years ago
!!! ISLAM FOREVER !!!
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
!!! Islam Rocks !!!
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
Fuck islam.
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
ISLAM ROCKS
and
skepticaldemocrat SUCKS*
;)
murisurena 3 years ago
!!! ISLAM FOREVER !!!
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
People did not mature at earlier ages in earlier times. Earlier puberty results from modern, better diets. Prior to the 20th Century, women did not usually reach puberty until the ages of 17 or 18.
dudelette 3 years ago
That's not true - I'm afraid you are the one who's lying - we all know the earlier marriage customs. "Girls" married very early (for the "modern" understanding) and they got children very early. "Young teenagers" were employed with jobs of heavy responsibility, like this 17 year old who was responsible for the army
murisurena 3 years ago
Yes, they were given much responsibility when young, even marrying, but they could not have children. In the West, mostly the nobility, who were better fed and clothed and housed, married young as alliances among families. Often the marriage would be performed but the children were not allowed to cohabit until they were older. The girls did not have children until their teens.
dudelette 3 years ago
everything about pedophelia is pop up recently after secularism in modern days. It is not an issue before, just to make my prophet look bad. Secularism come from the west, and western people want the whole world listen to them, or else war.
Nizaris1 3 years ago 2
you asked were did you lie??
Well this comment of yours is a good example -> it's filled with lies ;)
Or could you give some proof for your claims - would be really cool ;)
the fact was and is and ever will be: people married very early and they had children immidiately, period.
murisurena 3 years ago
He's so full of lies. A nine-year-old has not reached puberty. It is abnormal. The Muslim attitude is that marriage fixes everything. Why would a girl who has been raped want to marry her rapist? That is her only option, because otherwise she will never marry, never have a job, and she will be ostracized by everyone around here.
dudelette 3 years ago
"He's so full of lies."
No.
"A nine-year-old has not reached puberty. It is abnormal."
That's not abnormal. Go get some education - in different parts of the world girls develop differently.
"Why would a girl who has been raped want to marry her rapist?"
... what the heck are you actually talking about???
Rapists are put to death in Islam - you are confusing islamic with bblical teachings
murisurena 3 years ago
the truth is that many of the girls in my neighborhood in nyc began menstruating at 9, 10, and 11. overnite they were fully developed and horny as toads. to the eye, they were adult women. I knew of three girls who had kids as early as 11, by boys 13 and 14. Others by much older guys. I wonder if they would have preferred a stable marriage, instead. I used to want to get married at puberty so I wouldn't end up a loose goose having babies with any guy. My friends were fast.
hayyalife 3 years ago 4
What a load of bullshit. U need a brain.
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
Since you were supposedly a Muslim at one time...can you tell me were in Qur'an Allah tells people to molest anyone or do any injustice. I can say with certainty that there is no command for this. I have to add that everything in hadith is not true. it is not the direct word of God. I have done well in my life following the guidelines of Qur'an primarily. If you can guide all of humanity better then I suggest you try writing your own book of eternal wisdom.
hayyalife 3 years ago
murder is a murder, and Paedophilia is still Paedophilia no mater what they say. Puberty is must be mesured not by the ability of having a children but by being a muture. And only man with low moral would marry a litel girl. In islam most of the time woman is lower than a man. I wonder if thouse people been broght to this world by a woman...
tursun 3 years ago
... no.
Do you have any proof for what you just said? How mature had Aisha (r) been? I think you don´t know - just like most ignorant people who pretend to be smart while talking without knowledge. - and by the way I´m a woman, so could you please enlighten me, how Islam treats me as "lower"? very strange - I never noticed that myself.
murisurena 3 years ago
To start, a woman's testimony in court only counts for half of a man's. Men may have multiple spouses, women may not. A man may divorce a wife by simply saying three times, "I divorce you." A woman may not. If a divorce is granted, the man automatically receives custody of the children. All the woman receives is her dowry back.
dudelette 3 years ago
Indeed, a lot of ignorance you started with -
lies mixed with misunderstood "facts"
murisurena 3 years ago
Guess facts and islam r not compatible, hu, pedophile lover?
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
guess you are yet another psychopatic dumba** who can't express himself properly, huh?
murisurena 3 years ago
Pfff... Another retard who thinks angels talk with child molesters... I got a brain years ago and left islam. But a poor mongoloid like you still believes in mumbo jumbo.
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
pfff... another wannabe exmuslim ;)
give it up retard, your just another brainwashed idiot. mongolid?? how do you know I'm a mongolid - you islamophobic scum make me sick - why all this hatred and racism.
Go rape someone or kill yourself or whatever else you "civilised" (lol!) people in the west usually do <3
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
How do i know u r a mongoloid? Because u cant say not even ONE inteligent thing. For example, u talk like if rapes r inexistent or rare in islamic underdeveloped (lol!) world. And u think insulting a religion is racism (Hahahaha) Whats to expect of a brainwashed retard who thinks that a pedophile could talk with angels. Go rape a child like u do in your islamic underdeveloped (lol!) nations. What a funny mongoloid.
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
what a freaking idiot =D
I called you racist because you called me and still call me mongoloid as if being mongoloid is something bad -> that's clearly racism retard, do you get that?!
murisurena 3 years ago
What a stupid moron
Mongoloid is also a person with Down sindrome, a sindrome whose victims have low inteligence level And you dont know that, brainless ignorant Hahahahaha (i.e. mongoloid is another word for retard, which u prove u are - again).
Go see some child pornography once u cant have women and waste your life with pointless prayers and fastings in the hope of having 72 whores in your imaginary heaven. And go to a nuthouse because of your belifs in angels talking with pedophiles.LOL
skepticaldemocrat 3 years ago
and now dumb, go to the next brothel to get your next std (lol!) ;)
and then go steal std-tests because it is to embarassing to buy them (lol!) ;)
and then go to the psychiatrist because of your frustration (lol!) ;)
and then go kill yourself because of your depression and anxieties (lol!) ;)
sick "civilised" (LOL!) people
<3 mmmmwuahh
=)
murisurena 3 years ago
What did I lie about? Everything I said was true.
dudelette 3 years ago
And please don´t come up with those rubbish arguments islamophobs always bring up, like "honour killings", "woman are not allowed to work" etc. - we all know, or should I say *educated* people know that this is not from Islam - so go get your facts right before spreading your nonsense
murisurena 3 years ago
okay we have changed our ways have muslims ? no because Mohammed is the example.
TARTANTERR0R 3 years ago
ok fair enough but did it happen? did mulim women have a couple of 9 yo husbands?
taffdragon 3 years ago
well, I wasn´t born yet 1400 years ago, and unfortunatly I´m not a scholar of islamic history, so I can´t give you names of women married to 9 year old boys - why does that matter anyway? I told you what the islamic ruling is
murisurena 3 years ago
did muslim women 1400 years ago have 9yo husbands or was it just a scam for the muslim men?
taffdragon 3 years ago
when someone reaches puberty, that person can get married and it doesn´t matter if it´s a boy or a girl
murisurena 3 years ago
It was said that even the marriage custom of the British people 1400 years ago was no any difference from the Arabs. People were more mature at that time compare to most of the people during these days. Its just the perspectives and the views of the people nowadays have change.
frozenhandd 3 years ago
I think it's unreal how this muslim and other muslims alike are trying to justify Muhammad's child molestation.
Muhammad married a 9 year old child and would have obviously had sex with her! WTF? I don't care if it was 10,000 years ago, having sex with a 9 year old child is repulsive, immoral, evil, and it's paedophilia.
"Nine a common age for pubity"? Yeah right, Aisha was an innocent 9 year old child who was exploited by a paedophile, PERIOD! so everyone get over it.
Infiltrator2K 3 years ago
do you think "moral" value between cultures are the same?
eastern people say kissing in public is unmoral,but your people say it is ok
same like wearing bikini at public
Nizaris1 3 years ago
Kissing does not equal sex. Sorry, your argument is fallacious.
The belief that all cultures have legitimately acceptable views on all things is also a fallacy. Some things are just wrong.
dudelette 3 years ago
???
murisurena 3 years ago
Kissing is a part of sex
Nizaris1 3 years ago
Yes, so is hugging. Kissing was developed by the Romans and only practiced on their children. Later one it became more. I kiss and hug my children and my relatives. There is NO sex involved.
dudelette 3 years ago
because it is different type of kissing and hugging
Nizaris1 3 years ago
do you kiss your children the same way you kiss your husband/wife
- I really hope not!!
murisurena 3 years ago
1. The parents of Aisha (ra) asked Muhammad (s) about marriage.
2. Aisha (ra) agreed.
3. Aisha (ra) narrated this hadith. Why are you only reading hadith? Read about the love they had, the love for Allah.
Don't be taking what Aisha (ra) says and twist it. Read EVERYTHING she had to say first.
extempers 3 years ago 2
Not! Marriage under 18 is a shame. AND the women should deside herself. Stupi d muslims
larzovitz 3 years ago
hmmm... first off - I am a Muslima and I´m pretty sure that I am not "stupi d", at least compared to people like for instance you
Can I ask you a question? - Why is 18 the bottom line for you, why not 20 or 16 years or anything else? I don´t know were you live but here in Germany were I live the bottom line is 16 years.
If you don´t agree with our opinion, i.e., the muslim opinion, I´m o.k. with that, but I´m really intereseted in your arguments, if you have any reasonable argumants.
elfelfelfelfelfelf 3 years ago
You're right. You might not be stupid and good . You might be smart and evil. I'll leave it to you to decide which one it is.I guess you're campaigning for a new 9 year old age of consent then? Will you be raping your new child bride while she's still conscious or will you beat her until she passes out?
gandalf2069 3 years ago
Am I evil or you?
Sorry, I have to belie your expectations. Yes, I live in the west, but al-Hamdulillah, my religion, Islam, kept me pure insha´Allah, so that I´m not affected by the corrupt "morals" of this society.
I leave the joy of rape, wife-beating and paedophilia to people like you, people who believe in unlimited freedom of speach, people who consider child porn to be freedom of expression.
elfelfelfelfelfelf 3 years ago
You are such a disgusting hypocrite. You have videos like "German brother and sister practice incest", "Incest the best", "Very Sexy Stepmom Doing Her Son", "Agressive Lesbo Kiss" ... in your favorites list and you still have the audacity to come here and accuse me and all Muslims to be immoral, you phony hypocrite.
elfelfelfelfelfelf 3 years ago
And by the way, no one said that the women should not decide for herself. From the islamic point of view it is necessary that the woman (as well as the man) has to agree. So what´s your point?
elfelfelfelfelfelf 3 years ago
Instead of making a value judgement, why don't you challenge the speaker's arguement for justifying Muhammad's marriage to Aisha right upon her entrance into puberty? AND if your going to adress his arguement in a logical manner you need to suspend your personal value system, which is simply based on a 20th-21st century experience. To ju
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago 5
INTERESTING
salekh01 3 years ago 2