It is amazing to slowly watch you become one of the best free thinking video makers on youtube. You shouldn't care about this retards criticizing you.
When the message scratches their stupid wonderland fantasy they'll throw you those redneck comments, it's to be expected! Just ignore that. You are great.
Conspiracy theorists know the truth, the reason, they caused it. They're the ones hiding the aliens, they're the ones who caused 9/11, they're the ones getting power in Europe in population and through tolerance, and they're the ones hiding Obama's birth cerificate. Prove me wrong bitches!
You're smart, but I feel like you need to do a bit more planing before making these videos. You're wasting a lot of time running around in circles to make your point, and pausing for emphasis when there really doesn't need to be some. Dont get me wrong, I like your videos and the content, you're intelligent, but its just not executed efficiently.
@SezSays I don't think it's the planning that's insufficient, but my patience after I'm done shooting :). I don't want to re-shoot, so I guess I'm not very quick to judge what I got as not good enough. I'm still having a hard time writing scripts, because what I write works in writing, but not as spoken lines. I'm working on it, though. Thanks for keeping me on my toes about it!
If you put some lighting behind you on the green screen, then you can keep the lighting uniform and keep the shadows from being cast and "breaking" the green screen. ... ... but then you probably already know this...
@puellanivis Yeah, I know. I'm experimenting with how do to that and still get an even lighting. The layout of the room is a bit of a problem. My most recent tests got a lot better than this, though. I think I'm close to getting it right.
@puellanivis It's piss easy... in principle... LOL! But the real problem is that because of the layout of the room, I can only light the screen from the front and one side. There's really nowhere else I can put the screen without having to do a lot of re-decorating, considering that I'd need to be able to put camera in front of it at a proper distance as well. If I get rid of the shadow, I get one side of the screen much brighter than the other. But, as I said, it's getting there.
LOL whats your dog in this fight..who cares what you believe? or for that matter why do you care what people believe on the internet since they are so gullible? why devote time and effort to people you consider laughable? altruism??? i think not LOL..try actually reading
@curiouscrutiny "try actually reading" ... Reading what? Oh, you mean something that someone who actually cares for no good reason, "wasted their time" writing, instead of "actually reading"? Didn't think that through, did you?
4:16 "I don't know" It sounds like your saying people that believe either claim do know. Isn't it more accurate to say "I don't believe either way". Knowing is a different matter.
@Martymer81 That should work. It depends on the question though. Like if they are asking "what should be believed? x or not x?".
If the question is "what is the alternative to believing x or not x?" I don't think it'll work since " -(what to believe)" wouldn't be implied with the answer "I don't know".
If I'm not making sense it's because it's because it's late :P
Where was that drunk hillbilly dude? You know that guy that looked so familiar. This video can go for religious claims as well. Big claims and no evidence it that either.
Your video is blurry and it makes it hard to watch. I really think you have gotten out of touch with a large majority of your audience when you started to debate with these crazy UFO conspiracy people. You really need to go back to your roots.
@TekkaSage I know the green screen didn't come out very well in this video. Sorry about that. I also know that I'm not making the kind of videos right now that a lot of my subs signed up for. If you don't like it, well, sorry. My channel is called the Front Line Against Stupidity (a reference to education, if that's not obvious), not Front Line Against Creationism. But yes, I will continue to do Creationist pwnage. BTW, Neph is back... hehe...
@TekkaSage No no no no, he really should be an equal opportunity ridicule dispenser. It's a refreshing change from responding to "How did this human eye just pop into existence, ey?"...
@Martymer81 Oh, and how about those New Age looneys? Admittedly it's real close to creatards, but a video about the mythical properties of opal and secret frequencies of powerbands could be quite funny... ;)
@Martymer81 Our souls are in harmony... oh wait, I just had a religious flash back! ;)
BTW, a couple of days ago I received 7 powerbands from scepticbrosDOTcom in Australia. They are cool conversation starters, as I soon was told by a coworker that he "tested" and loves his. Then I showed him the big print on the backside of my powerband: PLACEBO. His face was priceless... ;)
@ronnystoehr This doesn't include my bottled water from Binary Judy, does it? I mean, that Bottle Intention is all I drink.
Wait, are you saying my powerband and ring of crystals don't really work? Dammit!!! Where is that chicken bone. It's obvious it's back to voodoo for me.
@ronnystoehr :( Sadly, I didn't get the "lucky lucky chicken bone". I got the Papa Shango's Ultimate Voodoo Deluxe Chicken Bone. Doesn't seem to really work, but gives me comfort regardless.
Hahahaha
Sorry for bringing her back up. I watched the video when she tried to sell the water, again. I still find that funny as hell.
@tommy605 Oh, I thought you were talking about V00D00SIXXX's "Lucky lucky Chicken Bone", not a generic one! If you don't know him, check out his channel, it's very entertaining!
Enron was a Conspiracy, It happened. Major Conspiracies are possible. Look up the UN's Agenda 21. It is a book, right on the UN's official website. Look at Media ownership. I like some of your video's But we cannot compartmentalize subjects with the word "Conspiracy". Just research Globalist think tanks, "They" write about these things in they're own published books. Look up the club of Rome, Look up John P. Holden's "Ecoscience" It details covert Eugenics, and this guy is Obama's Science czar?
@symbian7 You're right, and that's why I explained what I mean by "conspiracy theory". I'm referring to the completely irrational belief that anything complex is best explained as an evil plot by some super-secret organization, that is typically assumed to be the cause of all evil in the world.
I liked your video but the telephone voice is unintelligible so you might want to work on that if you use that concept in other videos. We think alike so I like what you are trying to do but my experience so far on YouTube has been that those incapable of critical thinking never change their minds in response to a rational argument. Irrational viewpoints are always carved in stone.
@harussell Hmm.. Yeah, it's hard to tell how much I have to clean it up after applying the phone filter, considering that I know what I'm saying. I'll work on it.
You're right that I probably won't change a lot of minds, but I can inform and entertain those who agree with me, and if I end up changing even one mind, that's a great bonus.
Don't listen to that view point. Maybe you won't singlehandedly make people to abandon conspiracy theories but every bit helps.
I wasn't born skeptical and believed the 9/11 shit when it came out... I was even half way believing in the illuminati. Thanks to people on forums, youtube and real life laying out reasoned arguments I broke through the wall of irrationality.
Its amazing all the official story people talking about burden of proof, but for their proof they have bandannas and indestructible passports, oh yea and hijacking manuals from trained pilots..
Yes concrete evidence right there.. All hail the governments version that brown people hate us for our freedoms that the government is taking away.
I like the Illuminati conspiracy. A secret organisation plotting to take over the world, its members are all powerful people, top level bankers, politicians and even clergy. In fact, the membership is supposed to consist of people who, wait for it, ALREADY RUN THE WORLD!
@VinnyMonster1 Which just goes to show how ludicrous conspiracy theories are. IMHO, they don't deserve the name theory. Better to call them conspiracy fantasies.
SPOT ON BUDDY. i mostly agree with skeptics but regarding 911 they totally forget tht the claim tht a bunch of boxcutters from saudia n afghanistan under the command of caveman bin ladin conspired to carry out 911 is also a conspiracy. wht a bummer!
I'm seeing a new wave of brainless minions arising on youtube, with a new saying of "anti racism is anti white" (something off topic, sorry)
It's nice that you are stopping a wave of a different kind of idiots. Creationist idiots, conspiracy theory idiots... I don't really understand how in 21st century when people can freely get education such things still appear...
@mirta000 The problem is that people aren't willing to do the work involved in learning something real. Pseudoscience is simple--all you have to do is not question it!
And yeah, I know the racist morons you're talking about. It's not my thing. That's a whole different kind of stupid.
The two things I find this type of claim the most is with the 9/11 truthers and the vaccines causing autism crowd. I've changed my tactic when "discussing" with them now. I simply ask them "what would it take for them to change their opinion or belief? What evidence, or what fact or statement?" Then I list what I'd need to change mine.
It's funny, they never give an answer.
Oh, and of course, I'm a paid "big pharma" shill because I question them.
@tommy605 9/11. What would it take to change my mind? How about letting indepentdent scientists do testing. Release all of the video's of what hit the Pentagon so we can all see for ourselves. Jesse Ventura did something on both The WTC and the Pentagon "attacks" and has raised some interesting questions that even he, a former governer and Navy Seal, can't get answers to. The show is called "Conspiracy Theory". Look it up and watch for yourself.
@lautz73 Ok, so I see this term a lot when it comes to conspiracies.
How do you define an independent scientist (or doctor for that matter)?
I'm curious for a few reasons. One is, people asking this are basically saying "I don't accept that finding because you are being paid by the government" or something similar. But at the same time, you're willing to listen to the scientist who are being paid by Jesse's TV show for their results?
@lautz73 (Cont) Do you know what is done to prepare a building for demolition? (WTC7 talk here) They need to cut through support pillars and plant explosives. They need to cut through elevator shafts at specific locations. They need to cut through stairs at specific locations. All this takes time, but no one noticed the stairs were cut?
Here's something to think about. Clinton couldn't get away with being blown when it was just the 2 of them. How does something this big go without a snitch?
They would need tons of explosives on each floor, you'd think building manages would start asking questions when large boxes and miles of cable started being hauled into their domain, Oh but of course THEY'D be in with the plot too!
Frankly, I'm amazed they stayed up as long as they did, given they were hit by 100's of tons of metal.
@Wordavee1 Yes they would. I left out some things because of the 500 character limit.
Imagine how unsafe and unstable the buildings would be. How would the elevators work normally? How did the WTC1 and 2 not fall immediately when the planes hit? I mean, with all the structural integrity gone for the demolition prep, the buildings should have collapsed almost immediately.
But yeah, I'm the one with the closed mind. I refuse to open my mind to the possibilities. Reality doesn't matter anymore.
I've been called a government shill so many times for trying to inject some reality into these conspiracies. I'm constantly amazed how no-one in the US seems to trust their govenment to tell the truth about anything. NASA, FEMA, FBI, CIA are all evil & controlled by the Illuminatii, poisons in aero-fuel to kill off the population, Elenin, Nibiru, Dwarf star, etc. etc. the scope and idiocy of their delusions never cease to amaze me.
@Wordavee1 What amazes me is that if they mistrust the government so much, why do they keep re-electing it? I mean, let's face it, "obviously" both the Democrats and the Republicans are in on the conspiracies. How about voting for a third alternative instead of voting for those they don't trust, or not at all? I mean, if so many people mistrust their leaders, and actually believe that they are cartoon-villain-evil... Just kick them out! Oh, nvm, I guess the voters are in on it too...
You get the odd independent running for President, but there only a few alternative political parties & when I read this:-
"Libertarians believe the federal government should play a minimal role in the day-to-day affairs of the people. It would therefore limit itself to a police, court, prison & military. They support free market economy & protection of civil liberties & individual freedom."
Ohoh! Tea Party! The individual freedom to pay starvation wages & zero tax for the rich!
@tommy605 Independent meaning not paid by the government to do the tests. Yeah I know but that's all the offical 9/11 committee members allowed. There was scientist that did tests on the dust that found traces of thermite. The government didn't even allow testing for any explosives. If it was the weakinging of the sturctural steel that caused the collapse then why did it fall it it's own "footprint"? It would have gone to 1 side or the other, usually where it was the weakest. Cont...
@lautz73 WTC7 had the classic example of a controled demolotion when it collapsed for a building like it. The crimp in the middle when it starts falling. The fires weren't hot enough to even weaken the steel in 7 for them to fail. There were fires just as hot in other skyscrapers and had burned for far longer and those buildings never fell. WTC 1&2 were designed to take the impact from airplanes with high fuel loads and not fall. There's just too many things that don't add up. Cont...
@lautz73 Now where was all the wreakage from the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? The engines were never found and those things were massive. The plane couldn't do what they say that it did, it's structure would have failed. Not even professional pilots that have been flying 15+ years could do it. If the government wants to end the conspiracy theories about the Pentagon all they need to do is release all of the videos that show what hit it.
@lautz73 Look at what's involved in a demolition. I explained in one comment already. It is NOT possible that any of them were "pulled", as it's been said. The ten's of thousands of people in those buildings would have noticed much of the prep work, not to mention, the tower 1 and 2 would have fallen immediately when the planes hit if the structure was prepped for demo.
The claim for thermite has already been addressed and debunked.
@tommy605 Not all of the wiring that you talk about is needed with thermite. It just needs a hot enough ignition source. It's not the "traditional" TNT demolotion that you're thinking of. Second, what about the maintainence worker that was headed to the sub-basement and was blown back UP and some of the FDNY that heard secondary explosions? Third, no "blackboxes" found when there are reports that 3 were found. Too much just doesn't make sense when put up against the "offical" story.
@lautz73 No, it's not. But are you saying that the explosives from the jet fuel wouldn't be enough to ignite? Also, I wasn't referring to igniting anything. I was referring to, if the buildings had been prepped for demolition, and a plane hit the weakened structural support, regardless of if explosives detonated or not, the floors above would have collapsed immediately. No explosion required.
Building a conspiracy case on what's in or not in the "official" story is not how you prove conspiracy.
@tommy605 Yes the jet fuel would have been enough to set off the thermite. The buildings were having work done on them on a continious basis so "painting" the floors with thermite would have been very easy since it could be mixed with regular paint. The structural steel would've been weaker on 1 side than the other and would have caused a lean and the building wouldn't have fallen straight down like they did. So many things just don't make sense with how it went.
@lautz73 Sorry, just one more little addition to this. As per the topic of this video funny enough.
Even if, there was no evidence that it was the fires from jets that caused the collapses, even if the only evidence there was on this was the video of the planes hitting the building, and nothing else, people claiming it was a demolition still would need to provide the proof. Just because it's not "A" or no evidence for "A", doesn't mean it's "B" by default. "B" still needs to be proved.
@tommy605 If it wasn't "A" then what was it? And if it wasn't "A" then the government lied about it being "A" and why did they try so hard to stop people from finding out if it was "B", "C" or "D" if they didn't have something to hide? I'm not saying that it was explosives just that evidence had been found to indicate that it might be.
I love how some conspiracy theorists preach critical thinking, yet believe things from youtube such as reptillians and whatnot with NO evidence.
liamjd1 2 weeks ago
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I tried to talk to one of these 911 truthers, but I could not get Ron Paul's dick out of their mouth. hmmmm.
4me2cclearly 4 months ago
It is amazing to slowly watch you become one of the best free thinking video makers on youtube. You shouldn't care about this retards criticizing you.
When the message scratches their stupid wonderland fantasy they'll throw you those redneck comments, it's to be expected! Just ignore that. You are great.
ArteTuga1 4 months ago 3
Conspiracy theorists know the truth, the reason, they caused it. They're the ones hiding the aliens, they're the ones who caused 9/11, they're the ones getting power in Europe in population and through tolerance, and they're the ones hiding Obama's birth cerificate. Prove me wrong bitches!
AdmiralCasey18 4 months ago
Thank you Martymer, I frickin love your videos.
k0vert 4 months ago
You're smart, but I feel like you need to do a bit more planing before making these videos. You're wasting a lot of time running around in circles to make your point, and pausing for emphasis when there really doesn't need to be some. Dont get me wrong, I like your videos and the content, you're intelligent, but its just not executed efficiently.
SezSays 4 months ago
@SezSays I don't think it's the planning that's insufficient, but my patience after I'm done shooting :). I don't want to re-shoot, so I guess I'm not very quick to judge what I got as not good enough. I'm still having a hard time writing scripts, because what I write works in writing, but not as spoken lines. I'm working on it, though. Thanks for keeping me on my toes about it!
Martymer81 4 months ago
If you put some lighting behind you on the green screen, then you can keep the lighting uniform and keep the shadows from being cast and "breaking" the green screen. ... ... but then you probably already know this...
puellanivis 4 months ago
@puellanivis Yeah, I know. I'm experimenting with how do to that and still get an even lighting. The layout of the room is a bit of a problem. My most recent tests got a lot better than this, though. I think I'm close to getting it right.
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 Sweet! :) Glad to hear it. I haven't done any of it really myself, but I can see it being easier said than done.
puellanivis 4 months ago
@puellanivis It's piss easy... in principle... LOL! But the real problem is that because of the layout of the room, I can only light the screen from the front and one side. There's really nowhere else I can put the screen without having to do a lot of re-decorating, considering that I'd need to be able to put camera in front of it at a proper distance as well. If I get rid of the shadow, I get one side of the screen much brighter than the other. But, as I said, it's getting there.
Martymer81 4 months ago
There are no conspiracies, it's just something CIA, the government and the Freemasons try to make us believe.
FredricF 4 months ago
@FredricF LOL!
Martymer81 4 months ago
LOL whats your dog in this fight..who cares what you believe? or for that matter why do you care what people believe on the internet since they are so gullible? why devote time and effort to people you consider laughable? altruism??? i think not LOL..try actually reading
curiouscrutiny 4 months ago
@curiouscrutiny "try actually reading" ... Reading what? Oh, you mean something that someone who actually cares for no good reason, "wasted their time" writing, instead of "actually reading"? Didn't think that through, did you?
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 your childish response is to be expected..have a good life
curiouscrutiny 4 months ago
@curiouscrutiny and writing things like "LOL" and "try actually reading" isn't being childish? Obvious troll is obvious
kly45 4 months ago
4:16 "I don't know" It sounds like your saying people that believe either claim do know. Isn't it more accurate to say "I don't believe either way". Knowing is a different matter.
Scraxs 4 months ago
@Scraxs Point taken. How about "I don't know (what to believe)"?
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 That should work. It depends on the question though. Like if they are asking "what should be believed? x or not x?".
If the question is "what is the alternative to believing x or not x?" I don't think it'll work since " -(what to believe)" wouldn't be implied with the answer "I don't know".
If I'm not making sense it's because it's because it's late :P
Scraxs 4 months ago
Where was that drunk hillbilly dude? You know that guy that looked so familiar. This video can go for religious claims as well. Big claims and no evidence it that either.
bigboy45454545 4 months ago
@bigboy45454545 Oh, I have a feeling he'll be back... :)
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 Great! While he was sometimes hard to understand, that guy on the speakerphone was really tough! Please don't use him again... ;)
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
Conspiracy theories are just as dogmatic as religion.
Also , why aren't they called conspiracy hypothesis , I mean , it's not like they actually meet the criteria to be called a theory.
gaglamesh731 4 months ago
@gaglamesh731 Yeah, I know... But they're not hypotheses either, since they usually can't be falsified. I'm sticking with the commonly accepted term.
Martymer81 4 months ago
Your video is blurry and it makes it hard to watch. I really think you have gotten out of touch with a large majority of your audience when you started to debate with these crazy UFO conspiracy people. You really need to go back to your roots.
TekkaSage 4 months ago
@TekkaSage I know the green screen didn't come out very well in this video. Sorry about that. I also know that I'm not making the kind of videos right now that a lot of my subs signed up for. If you don't like it, well, sorry. My channel is called the Front Line Against Stupidity (a reference to education, if that's not obvious), not Front Line Against Creationism. But yes, I will continue to do Creationist pwnage. BTW, Neph is back... hehe...
Martymer81 4 months ago
@TekkaSage No no no no, he really should be an equal opportunity ridicule dispenser. It's a refreshing change from responding to "How did this human eye just pop into existence, ey?"...
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr Couldn't have put it better myself :)
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 Oh, and how about those New Age looneys? Admittedly it's real close to creatards, but a video about the mythical properties of opal and secret frequencies of powerbands could be quite funny... ;)
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr It's already on the list... :)
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 Our souls are in harmony... oh wait, I just had a religious flash back! ;)
BTW, a couple of days ago I received 7 powerbands from scepticbrosDOTcom in Australia. They are cool conversation starters, as I soon was told by a coworker that he "tested" and loves his. Then I showed him the big print on the backside of my powerband: PLACEBO. His face was priceless... ;)
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr ROFL!
Martymer81 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr This doesn't include my bottled water from Binary Judy, does it? I mean, that Bottle Intention is all I drink.
Wait, are you saying my powerband and ring of crystals don't really work? Dammit!!! Where is that chicken bone. It's obvious it's back to voodoo for me.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Oh please, I had already forgotten all about HER, and you have to drag HER out again? ;)
Well, lots of famous basket ball players say they work, that must mean something, right?
Please be accurate, it's "Lucky lucky Chicken Bone"! Big difference, all others are cheap imitations and don't work. Hail Voodoo6!
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr :( Sadly, I didn't get the "lucky lucky chicken bone". I got the Papa Shango's Ultimate Voodoo Deluxe Chicken Bone. Doesn't seem to really work, but gives me comfort regardless.
Hahahaha
Sorry for bringing her back up. I watched the video when she tried to sell the water, again. I still find that funny as hell.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Oh, I thought you were talking about V00D00SIXXX's "Lucky lucky Chicken Bone", not a generic one! If you don't know him, check out his channel, it's very entertaining!
ronnystoehr 4 months ago
@ronnystoehr Yep. Already subbed to him. Really liked his video reviews of the ghost hunting shows.
tommy605 4 months ago
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TekkaSage 4 months ago
whos bazan? can I get a link to that paper
JustaEropeanGuy 4 months ago
@JustaEropeanGuy h t tp://w w w.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/405.pdf
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 thank you
JustaEropeanGuy 4 months ago
Enron was a Conspiracy, It happened. Major Conspiracies are possible. Look up the UN's Agenda 21. It is a book, right on the UN's official website. Look at Media ownership. I like some of your video's But we cannot compartmentalize subjects with the word "Conspiracy". Just research Globalist think tanks, "They" write about these things in they're own published books. Look up the club of Rome, Look up John P. Holden's "Ecoscience" It details covert Eugenics, and this guy is Obama's Science czar?
symbian7 4 months ago
@symbian7 You're right, and that's why I explained what I mean by "conspiracy theory". I'm referring to the completely irrational belief that anything complex is best explained as an evil plot by some super-secret organization, that is typically assumed to be the cause of all evil in the world.
Martymer81 4 months ago
Good points but beyond insulting presentation style.
0gods 4 months ago
I liked your video but the telephone voice is unintelligible so you might want to work on that if you use that concept in other videos. We think alike so I like what you are trying to do but my experience so far on YouTube has been that those incapable of critical thinking never change their minds in response to a rational argument. Irrational viewpoints are always carved in stone.
harussell 4 months ago
@harussell Hmm.. Yeah, it's hard to tell how much I have to clean it up after applying the phone filter, considering that I know what I'm saying. I'll work on it.
You're right that I probably won't change a lot of minds, but I can inform and entertain those who agree with me, and if I end up changing even one mind, that's a great bonus.
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81
Don't listen to that view point. Maybe you won't singlehandedly make people to abandon conspiracy theories but every bit helps.
I wasn't born skeptical and believed the 9/11 shit when it came out... I was even half way believing in the illuminati. Thanks to people on forums, youtube and real life laying out reasoned arguments I broke through the wall of irrationality.
HerrKnitler 4 months ago
Its amazing all the official story people talking about burden of proof, but for their proof they have bandannas and indestructible passports, oh yea and hijacking manuals from trained pilots..
Yes concrete evidence right there.. All hail the governments version that brown people hate us for our freedoms that the government is taking away.
JusticePetitioner 4 months ago
what's that voice-scrambler program you are using?
IVscythia 4 months ago
@IVscythia Adobe Audition.
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81 tackar
IVscythia 4 months ago
I dig your style, man!
niqueth 4 months ago
I like the Illuminati conspiracy. A secret organisation plotting to take over the world, its members are all powerful people, top level bankers, politicians and even clergy. In fact, the membership is supposed to consist of people who, wait for it, ALREADY RUN THE WORLD!
VinnyMonster1 4 months ago
@VinnyMonster1 Which just goes to show how ludicrous conspiracy theories are. IMHO, they don't deserve the name theory. Better to call them conspiracy fantasies.
VinnyMonster1 4 months ago
The biggest Conspiracy Theory is the Official 911 Story.
Will224000 4 months ago
@Will224000
SPOT ON BUDDY. i mostly agree with skeptics but regarding 911 they totally forget tht the claim tht a bunch of boxcutters from saudia n afghanistan under the command of caveman bin ladin conspired to carry out 911 is also a conspiracy. wht a bummer!
jonnykzj 4 months ago
I'm seeing a new wave of brainless minions arising on youtube, with a new saying of "anti racism is anti white" (something off topic, sorry)
It's nice that you are stopping a wave of a different kind of idiots. Creationist idiots, conspiracy theory idiots... I don't really understand how in 21st century when people can freely get education such things still appear...
mirta000 4 months ago
@mirta000 The problem is that people aren't willing to do the work involved in learning something real. Pseudoscience is simple--all you have to do is not question it!
And yeah, I know the racist morons you're talking about. It's not my thing. That's a whole different kind of stupid.
Martymer81 4 months ago
The two things I find this type of claim the most is with the 9/11 truthers and the vaccines causing autism crowd. I've changed my tactic when "discussing" with them now. I simply ask them "what would it take for them to change their opinion or belief? What evidence, or what fact or statement?" Then I list what I'd need to change mine.
It's funny, they never give an answer.
Oh, and of course, I'm a paid "big pharma" shill because I question them.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Of course. Argue against them enough and they'll switch from "you're a mindless sheep" to "you're part of the conspiracy".
Martymer81 4 months ago
@tommy605 9/11. What would it take to change my mind? How about letting indepentdent scientists do testing. Release all of the video's of what hit the Pentagon so we can all see for ourselves. Jesse Ventura did something on both The WTC and the Pentagon "attacks" and has raised some interesting questions that even he, a former governer and Navy Seal, can't get answers to. The show is called "Conspiracy Theory". Look it up and watch for yourself.
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 Ok, so I see this term a lot when it comes to conspiracies.
How do you define an independent scientist (or doctor for that matter)?
I'm curious for a few reasons. One is, people asking this are basically saying "I don't accept that finding because you are being paid by the government" or something similar. But at the same time, you're willing to listen to the scientist who are being paid by Jesse's TV show for their results?
(to be continued)
tommy605 4 months ago
@lautz73 (Cont) Do you know what is done to prepare a building for demolition? (WTC7 talk here) They need to cut through support pillars and plant explosives. They need to cut through elevator shafts at specific locations. They need to cut through stairs at specific locations. All this takes time, but no one noticed the stairs were cut?
Here's something to think about. Clinton couldn't get away with being blown when it was just the 2 of them. How does something this big go without a snitch?
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605
They would need tons of explosives on each floor, you'd think building manages would start asking questions when large boxes and miles of cable started being hauled into their domain, Oh but of course THEY'D be in with the plot too!
Frankly, I'm amazed they stayed up as long as they did, given they were hit by 100's of tons of metal.
Wordavee1 4 months ago
@Wordavee1 Yes they would. I left out some things because of the 500 character limit.
Imagine how unsafe and unstable the buildings would be. How would the elevators work normally? How did the WTC1 and 2 not fall immediately when the planes hit? I mean, with all the structural integrity gone for the demolition prep, the buildings should have collapsed almost immediately.
But yeah, I'm the one with the closed mind. I refuse to open my mind to the possibilities. Reality doesn't matter anymore.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605
I've been called a government shill so many times for trying to inject some reality into these conspiracies. I'm constantly amazed how no-one in the US seems to trust their govenment to tell the truth about anything. NASA, FEMA, FBI, CIA are all evil & controlled by the Illuminatii, poisons in aero-fuel to kill off the population, Elenin, Nibiru, Dwarf star, etc. etc. the scope and idiocy of their delusions never cease to amaze me.
Wordavee1 4 months ago
@Wordavee1 What amazes me is that if they mistrust the government so much, why do they keep re-electing it? I mean, let's face it, "obviously" both the Democrats and the Republicans are in on the conspiracies. How about voting for a third alternative instead of voting for those they don't trust, or not at all? I mean, if so many people mistrust their leaders, and actually believe that they are cartoon-villain-evil... Just kick them out! Oh, nvm, I guess the voters are in on it too...
Martymer81 4 months ago
@Martymer81
You get the odd independent running for President, but there only a few alternative political parties & when I read this:-
"Libertarians believe the federal government should play a minimal role in the day-to-day affairs of the people. It would therefore limit itself to a police, court, prison & military. They support free market economy & protection of civil liberties & individual freedom."
Ohoh! Tea Party! The individual freedom to pay starvation wages & zero tax for the rich!
Wordavee1 4 months ago
@tommy605 Independent meaning not paid by the government to do the tests. Yeah I know but that's all the offical 9/11 committee members allowed. There was scientist that did tests on the dust that found traces of thermite. The government didn't even allow testing for any explosives. If it was the weakinging of the sturctural steel that caused the collapse then why did it fall it it's own "footprint"? It would have gone to 1 side or the other, usually where it was the weakest. Cont...
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 WTC7 had the classic example of a controled demolotion when it collapsed for a building like it. The crimp in the middle when it starts falling. The fires weren't hot enough to even weaken the steel in 7 for them to fail. There were fires just as hot in other skyscrapers and had burned for far longer and those buildings never fell. WTC 1&2 were designed to take the impact from airplanes with high fuel loads and not fall. There's just too many things that don't add up. Cont...
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 Now where was all the wreakage from the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? The engines were never found and those things were massive. The plane couldn't do what they say that it did, it's structure would have failed. Not even professional pilots that have been flying 15+ years could do it. If the government wants to end the conspiracy theories about the Pentagon all they need to do is release all of the videos that show what hit it.
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 Look at what's involved in a demolition. I explained in one comment already. It is NOT possible that any of them were "pulled", as it's been said. The ten's of thousands of people in those buildings would have noticed much of the prep work, not to mention, the tower 1 and 2 would have fallen immediately when the planes hit if the structure was prepped for demo.
The claim for thermite has already been addressed and debunked.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Not all of the wiring that you talk about is needed with thermite. It just needs a hot enough ignition source. It's not the "traditional" TNT demolotion that you're thinking of. Second, what about the maintainence worker that was headed to the sub-basement and was blown back UP and some of the FDNY that heard secondary explosions? Third, no "blackboxes" found when there are reports that 3 were found. Too much just doesn't make sense when put up against the "offical" story.
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 No, it's not. But are you saying that the explosives from the jet fuel wouldn't be enough to ignite? Also, I wasn't referring to igniting anything. I was referring to, if the buildings had been prepped for demolition, and a plane hit the weakened structural support, regardless of if explosives detonated or not, the floors above would have collapsed immediately. No explosion required.
Building a conspiracy case on what's in or not in the "official" story is not how you prove conspiracy.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Yes the jet fuel would have been enough to set off the thermite. The buildings were having work done on them on a continious basis so "painting" the floors with thermite would have been very easy since it could be mixed with regular paint. The structural steel would've been weaker on 1 side than the other and would have caused a lean and the building wouldn't have fallen straight down like they did. So many things just don't make sense with how it went.
lautz73 4 months ago
@lautz73 Sorry, just one more little addition to this. As per the topic of this video funny enough.
Even if, there was no evidence that it was the fires from jets that caused the collapses, even if the only evidence there was on this was the video of the planes hitting the building, and nothing else, people claiming it was a demolition still would need to provide the proof. Just because it's not "A" or no evidence for "A", doesn't mean it's "B" by default. "B" still needs to be proved.
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 If it wasn't "A" then what was it? And if it wasn't "A" then the government lied about it being "A" and why did they try so hard to stop people from finding out if it was "B", "C" or "D" if they didn't have something to hide? I'm not saying that it was explosives just that evidence had been found to indicate that it might be.
lautz73 4 months ago
most informative thanks
chrisbuxton1958 4 months ago