Darcus Howe vs Edwina Curry on London riots (08Aug11)

[bmgm3]

Ahhh, Marcus Howe, the man happy to go on TV during the riots and spread a total lie that Mark Duggan was shot in the head by Police in an effort to stir it up. I used to have some respect for him ,but now he just seems a confused old man who still playing the same old tune.

[TheGuitarHero199]

@NGE0001 Racism not "racialism".

[dattriniman]

@TheGuitarHero199 same thing. check the dictionary

[jimmywx11]

edwiina edwinna please do tell us right from wrong you non evil devilspawn....

[0123MrDx]

@bootooxbarceloona what's hugly?

[dgomesman]

I love reading all these narrow minded comments by middle class suburban whites.

People involved in those riots wouldn't even have a proper broadband connection to comment here, you all sound so obvious and stupid

[jeremy1000100]

@dgomesman

Upper Middle Class if you please.

[dgomesman]

@jeremy1000100 you're a spoilt brat

[SuperPaulKruger]

@dgomesman Anything wrong with being white and middle class?...I dunno, you sound a bit...erm...racist to me!

[dgomesman]

@SuperPaulKruger I simply described you, and it was a guess.

[SuperPaulKruger]

@dgomesman well your guess is as good as mine....I guess! (see if you can spot the irony sonny)

[jeremy1000100]

What strikes me is the ignorance of this guy. He is portrayed as some sort of black intellectual voice of reason. In fact he is just am ignorant racist agitator who should not be allowed to pollute our screens with his vile bigotted opinions.

[dgomesman]

@jeremy1000100 middle class white you are

[TheBrownUn]

he knows nothing, he talks all the time, the result is he’s a trenchant buffoon, he has no idea how to present television shows, he looks ridiculous in that fashion wear. He swans around all the time hoping that people will recognise him, when in fact nobody’s even remotely interested. He’s taken up enough time on this show already and he hasn’t even opened his mouth. God knows why he’s here, I’ve nothing to ask the guy. And for all I know he may be a bit of a coco-shunter too. Darcus Howe.

[England3r]

Edwina is entirely right. This is nothing to do with civil rights...I feel Darcus "clings onto" this issue of "racism". Racism is still a problem, I'm not denying, but did it contribute to the riots? no, it was used as an excuse for the violence by many of the ignorant thuggish yobs who rioted in London.

[marhama]

been at the gin again edwina?

[RequiemVortex]

Edwina Curry in a recent interview refused to believe that there was anyone starving in England... what a load of bull. There have been plenty of cases of scurvy where I live and request for food stamps are rising. People are going hungry.

There were many reasons for the riots; one of them is that all civilised people are three meals away from rioting.

[aranterranting]

why do they give this pointless nigger airtime. He is described as a writer which is a joke. His grandson cant count the number of times hes been stopped by the police because he CANT count, the fuckin coon.

[TheDejarne]

@aranterranting stop searching him on Google then you wouldn't think so...

[Cab00se90]

@aranterranting

I won't even dignify that response with a proper comment, you are a fucking Nazi and you are the worst kind of person. Darcus Howe's intelligence seemingly far outweighs your own as you just derailed your own white "supremacist" arguement.

[frankietheduck]

@aranterranting your an embarrassment to our country. this sort of thing depresses me. normally its people sitting behind there computer stupidly thinking racism is quite a funny, and trying to get a reaction out of people online, but the fact you've sat though edwina curry means your probably politically consious. its a deep shame there a still people in this world with these veiws never mind on own country.

wasteman.

[LibertarianUK]

Also another example of Diane Abbott's racism is that she believes people (including herself) she have allowances made for them due to their skin colour. Even when it came to justifying her own hypocrisy over comprehensive schools and criticizing her fellow Labour MPs who opted out that route through an indepedant (not private) selective system . When she sent herself sent her son to a private school.

[nf1976]

This chap Darcus upports drug-dealers with guns. what a hero.

[nf1976]

@nf1976

supports

[smolarekuk1]

The reason Blacks get pulled is because niggas are guitly of 99% of street crime. Darcus Howel die you cunt.

[chillipeanuts]

@smolarekuk1 99.9999999999995%

[brosethstalin]

End of the day, those living in the wealthier parts of london honestly dont know what it is like to be the youth subjected to these police searches and harrassment

[GReYSTOKE2012]

Edwina Currie some time ago spoke about how her nice jewish mother brought her up and that West Indian parents don't bring their children up in such a nice jewish way as her mother did. Well my West Indian mother might not have been rich or perfect...but she didn't bring me up to have sex with my married boss on his carpet and on his table in his office. So, just who is Edwina preaching to? Oh Yahweh help us.

[LibertarianUK]

@GReYSTOKE2012 you clearly have a chip on your shoulder don't you?

What does her affair have anything to do with her being Jewish? You are clearly a nasty little anti-semite who yet stills wants to whine about racism. A bit like your brethren that Left-wing snob racist Dianne Abbott.

[GReYSTOKE2012]

@LibertarianUK

Boy!  That got your goat didn't it? Edwina Curry did say some time ago, her Jewish mother brought her up respectable and different to the way West Indian mothers do...fact. She also said she had clandestine sex with a married man in his office..fact. The hypocricy of the woman is exposed. Me..anti-semite..here we go again playing the race card. Dianne Abbott racist? Look in the mirror buddy.

I have no more to say on this matter.

[LibertarianUK]

@GReYS her personal life is not my business as long as she is not breaking the law or looking for the state to subsidize her failure.Unlike the benefits&free housing these unmarried "single mums" of children from multiple fathers seem to enjoy.Im not white or Jewish. Abbott is a Racist a hypocritical one at that.eg. being when she said Finnish "white" nurses should'nt be brought into this country since there are no Blacks in Finland. talk about ignorant when Miss Finland at that time was Black

[GReYSTOKE2012]

@LibertarianUK

Your stuff to me now goes straight to the J U N K box. Stop waISTING YOUR TIME.

[LibertarianUK]

I personally think Edwina Curry trying to profit from her Major affair was tacky.f what does that have to do with Looting & burning people's homes? Or her being Jewish?

You seriously do have a chip on your shoulder!

in reference to carribean mothers, maybe this was true once , but tell me why then so many British-

black West Indian boys in this country are involved in crime? unemployed? or many are born into broken homes? living on sync estates involved & involved in the gang culture?

[SteveMHN]

I've listened to a lot of interviews from both black and white rioters over the last few days, and none of the black guys i've seen have said it was about race. Most of the lame excuses I hear are "I come from a run down area", "we got nothing to do", "I wanted some action", "it's the governments fault for making cuts".

These rioters are people who think society owes them a nice lifestyle, and their bad behaviour doesn't have consequences. We need to stop the excuses and start the consequences.

[ElsorAndries]

We can say so much: but if everyone rioted about the War in Afghanistan, every politicians would see the problem. Then things would change Looting & fire starting is all part of collateral damage?.

On the other hand; there was a clear outlaw bad boy element what happened: one day Brixton riots & day after Peckham riots, clearly there's been thoughts of there strong enough to do it, we're just has bad like the next crew?.

[blanoz]

racism is not respecteble, but in this part of the world, it matters more how your image is then the real aspect of your mind judging.

[blanoz]

"Darcus plays the race card as an excuse for the riots" nice "objective" touch

[Jonathann1818]

@blanoz Yeah just becuase he "assumes" that the insurance companies will pay for the extreme damages doesnt make the riots ok. His argument is definitely flawed. I mean i get what he is trying to say but you cannot defend the riots. period.

[blanoz]

@Jonathann1818 not defending, explaining. he was waiting for something like that, many people aspected that. he`s not that dumb to defend the looters.

he said that police atitude on minortities is wicked, it`s been like that for some time, it was a waiting to explode bubble. people who looted should answer for thier actions.

Just like people who looted countries, they have to answer for their actions, not treating people like: "oh, it was such a long time ago, get over it wankers."

[Jonathann1818]

@blanoz As long as he doesnt defend the lotters, i totally agree with him

[chillipeanuts]

@Jonathann1818 wtf is a lotter? :D

[Jonathann1818]

@chillipeanuts sorry i meant looter

[LibertarianUK]

@Jonathann1818 He IS defending the looters because he is trying to politicized their action

[qonf]

@LibertarianUK Their actions have a cause, and that cause is political. He has explicitly said he does not condone the looting, how can you then say he is defending it!

[Ddddiscovered]

"For all I know he may well be a bit of a cocoa shunter too"

[BlinJe]

@clarkesonslooneyleft That's why in riots they steal the things that the TV dictates for them to aspire to. You've hit the nail on the head mate, shame no one in this fucking cuntry wants to hear it.

[WannaExpressYourSelf]

@clarkesonslooneyleft WOW... WOW!!!!! o.O ! Did i just see a INTELLIGENT COMMENT as top rated...

just wow..

[blanoz]

@WannaExpressYourSelf i feel you man. i feel you. now i have hope

[Maney266]

For fucks sake people.... listen to me....... theres no deeper meaning, people just want free shit, pisses me off when people try to find a deeper meaning thumbs up if u agree

[123jataylor]

whenever anyone tries to explain why people are behaving like this, they are told they are attempting to justify it.

maybe because they don't want/dont want others to hear the answers to the questions.

[123jataylor]

@clarkesonslooneyleft yep, you build a society on greed, where selfishness is a virtue and all other virtues are seen as weaknesses, with recent headlines about politicians, journalists and senior policeofficers doing whatever they can to make money, if they feel they can get away with it.

why are people so shocked really?

[DaveGuitarUK]

"Well, you will get some insurance for burning the place down, and let's go away". You, Sir, are a complete moron if you think arson is acceptable because insurance companies may pay for it. What about the disruption to peoples lives and the trauma that remains in the wake of all this, that no insurance company can quantify and compensate for. Oh and please, stop hammering on about your son being searched. I'd rather empty my pockets out 20 times than come home to find my house burning.

[thatsthewayitgoes09]

@DaveGuitarUK Yeah you can insure a house or business but not replace a day full of fear or lost hope in your fellow man.

Marcus Howe is a another appeaser either trying to make excuses for the bad element in decent black communities OR simply another well to do 'expert'.

He just comes across a big boring penis diploma.

[charlierusk]

I'm sorry I just don't get the absolute amount of support for this absolute fraud. For such a mature man whose worked in the journalism/broadcasting industry he comes across as entirely moronic and like so much of his work, can only ever evaluate by endlessly whipping out the race card. NO race was alienated, the nationwide mobs were a healthy racial mix of white, black and asian and driven by opportunism

[charlierusk]

@charlierusk

Oh, and I'm sure home/ business owners (some of which go back 5 generations) whose property and/or entire well-being has succumb to these ferrell bastards will be at peace of mind with insurance claims. Racial inequality is blight in any society but what has happened in the last couple of days is simply inexcusable...so quite shit stirring Darcus and f*ck off

[estherfreak]

Christ alive, after 2:28 when she finally shuts up, I just prayed that Darcus' response would have been "I think that is a spot on, cleverly written and constructed political response for the purpose of diverting attention, whitewashing over the original issue and subverting the opinions of the viewers using highly advanced neuro-liguistics You haven't actually addressed the issue, and therefore you have failed in your side of the argument. Next!"

[mulefa]

If these kids went on rioting, stealing and looting all there lives they would get nowhere near what the banksters have done.

[mrpwase]

"Fact is even easier, if you're an asshole, you're an asshole, no matter what skin colour you are."

Excellent quotation, if you don't mind I'm going to apply this to the government. Thanks. :)

[AintNoVenus]

@clarkesonslooneyleft

That's kinda dismissive. Like, capitalism is to blame. Sure. But we live in a consumer society and that's not going to change any time soon. Furthermore, living a life in pursuit of finding meaning is a mark of privilege. People become bullshit when they get harassed by the police so much that they feel like bullshit.

[AintNoVenus]

Well, Edwina Curry seems to have a very limited perspective.  Like she only wants to be a manager and hand out punishment but not actually deal with root causes of civil unrest. I'm glad she's not a highschool teacher, because she doesn't seem to understand teenagers at all. As far as I'm concerned, Darkus Howe is the only one to show concern for these young people, and actually consider them as part of his society that deserves to be nurtured, not cut off like a gangrenous limb.

[nathfrancis01]

I'm a young white man and I have been coersed and harassed by police several times without any justification, so even though Darcus Howe is right in saying that police harassment creates contempt for authority and frustration among the victims of it he is wrong to suggest that it is specific to any race. Regardless of race we should all resist abuses of authority and all oppression but do it peacefully and reasonably.

[optionsupdate]

what did he mean edwina knows who the criminal sare , and what does 10 yeasr on bail mean?

[LoloStrikesBack2011]

How can the BBC allow someone who is clearly on drugs be allowed to participate in a debate.

[optionsupdate]

edwina looted another womens husband

[optionsupdate]

if a black thinks he will be stopped and searched, is he more or less likely to carry a gun/knife/drugs ?

[optionsupdate]

edwina curry is an adulterous person,

[str8sk8t]

She's right. End.

[drbilly100]

paying the fucking race card again to justify mindless violence 

[hbk441]

Darcus is not coming across as very articulate for a writer and broadcaster. I don't get/can't decipher his final point at all but it must have been retarded because they cut the interview off after it.

[klugyboy1500]

Of course they have no morality. Thieving politicians and the bandits they support have sucked all of the morality out of western civilization. The wealthy have the most power and wealth than in any time in history and they want MORE and have no problem turning societies upside down to get it. Is it any wonder there are riots.

[guitar19904]

@clarkesonslooneyleft

CRAP, sorry but we cant blame others for our actions. MEN decide not to loot, they decide that its silly to do this.

[derdriui]

I don't think Darcus is playing the race card. I think he is trying to make a deeper point about why there is unrest.

Edwina Curry doesn't have the moral highground. It's ridiculous for a conservative MP to even try.

Darcus should watch himself though. Tempers are high. This is not the time to go around saying nuanced things, this is time to get the looting to calm, so that the death rate of 1 doesn't get any higher. Afterwards, we can look at this historical moment or whatever, but not now.

[guitar19904]

@derdriui

i agree, its not a manipulated race revolution, its just the scummy chavs

[derdriui]

@guitar19904 :( at least 4 people dead. Three Muslims in Birmingham, the car drove onto the sidewalk and mowed them down, and one guy shot in Croyden.

[guitar19904]

@derdriui

i heard about this yesterday, so fucking sad. theyre are rats in the streets causing this mess

[weeFred]

"He cannot count how many times he has been stopped by police" - is that because he can't count? Maybe you should ask WHY the police felt it necessary to stop him instead of the victim mentality.

[outtacastatv]

1.02 you can hear the interviewer go ahhhh as he says stop an search

[FiveFifths]

you dumbasses are missing the point. @3:38 -- "... I would never listen to Edwina describe how much racism there is in any given society at any point in time."

After you all pay for the expenses of your royal family (whatever the FUCK that is), you all try to pretend your country is some sort-of Utopia. The UK has been fucked for a long time and I'm glad the voice of the oppressed is finally being heard.

Your shit blows like a trumpet, you dumb shits.

[AbenghornMedia]

It's hilarious to me how riots, the world over, seem to take a similar form; the existing power structure labels rioters thugs while attempting to wait the riots out; riots continue, media coverage escalates and the systems attempts to crush it; denial ensues while the argument plays out on the streets. If violence is involved, the stakes are higher, the blame game is ramped up. Sounds familiar: youtube.com/watch?v=BbElAfALWb­M Get real.

[352razberry]

"You will get some insurance for burning the place down and lets go our way"

Is he fucking serious?

[coltrane1966]

The British politicians and media categorize people into different collectives and like little sheep, people happily skip along to the state's tune as the state hands them lots of free goodies and the mythical collective glory shines down on their individual mediocrity until they enter the slaughterhouse.

[Koolicious22]

Darcus made a fine point. Edwina has never known and would never know what racism is! Same goes for all d racist morons here

[thatsthewayitgoes09]

@Koolicious22 Clouding the subject with victim mentality. People continuing the riots are nasy little shits who don't give fuck about anything to do with black or white.

Howe is right in some ways but also wrong by turning it into a purely racial subject as it's gone way past that now. It couldn't ended peaceful 4 days ago if the police had answered reasonable questions with the original peaceful march. BUT NO! That would've required people to talk like real human beings.

[sazzieA1]

@thatsthewayitgoes09 Agree to a point except some of the little shits, are big shits

[thatsthewayitgoes09]

@Koolicious22 Curry, the last multi cultural obessed Labour govt and peers allowed yobs to use PC bollocks for years and make life miserable for everyone else while getting away with it under Human Rights. Rapists, muggers and the scum of England could then organise to this point. It's another example of black and white out of date old fart leaders saving face when they could've solved these problems year ago. But instead with got lame PR from Upper class rich people.

[AceOfHeartsX3]

BBC propaganda reduces political insurrections and protests against racist, violent cops - reduces that into blind property destruction, immorality, and theft. The violent pigs harassing and killing black people are racist, and the propaganda the BBC puts out is racist. Darcus is so correct that some old white conservative cunt does not know and will never know anything about racism. Darcus is also right that the real thieves are the recipients of bank bailouts and corporate welfare.

[Djambel]

the so called neoliberalism has been spearheaded by so called conservatives. Also the political spectrum in America is right of center so even the left are still right wing.

[raysurc]

Did she just make a Harry Potter reference? smh.

[RetroPunkRockr]

@TheLoveschach Well obviously they do, otherwise they wouldn't be doing their job would they.

[mynameisjavier]

Racist still live. What they are doing (riots) are irresponsible.

[Djambel]

@TheLoveschach I see what you are saying. Its a lot of word games. In this age people aren't quite what they say they are. Conservative or Liberal, its all a big joke.

[diepiriye]

"...to give everybody a reasonable chance" are you kidding me!?! What shangri-la society is she talking about? "I am telling you quietly and serious;y..." go 'head Mr. Darcus! If it's not safe for his grandkid to walk down the street, if he cannot walk down the street without being humiliated, then why should hers? "But I would never listen to Edwina..." Notice how she keeps focussing on the rioting behavior, and Mr. Darcus keeps focusing on the feeling of humiliation. She's not listening.

[Djambel]

neo liberal capitalism? I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Capitalism in America and England is Conservative.

[RetroPunkRockr]

Darcus talks a load of fucking shit!! Police don't waste their time stopping and searching people for no reason!! It is unfortunately predominantly people from the black communities causing this crime and acting suspiciously. Why if someones been mugged by a black youth, and inform the police, who then look for this suspect, why would they stop a white person when the suspect has been described as black, thats not racism its common sense and so their not wasting time!!

[sazzieA1]

@RetroPunkRockr now you are the one chatting sit about things you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about. Black people make up the minority in this country and even if every single one went out and committed a crime, it would STILL not be as high as the number of white people who commit crime so you stop chatting shit.

[Dyn4micR3INZ]

@sazzieA1 Mate come visit Milton Keynes prison and you wont be sayying that 90% of the prisoners there are black or assian and thats a fact and I bet its the same in most of the prisons in the UK.

[sazzieA1]

@Dyn4micR3INZ 'Mate' your statement just proves that the society is rascist in the extreme. Last time I looked I saw equal numbers of black, mixed race and white people looting and most of the were some big a**e people. You sound like the kind of Knobhead that condems the 'riots' but if offered a free pair of looted trainers, you'd barter on the price. Conversation over.

[Dyn4micR3INZ]

@sazzieA1 Lol my society is racist because I told you a fact about a prison near me... Im not sayying its all black people rioting because its not many of them are just opurtunists wanting to get something for nothing. Im talking about before the riots even happened the majority of people getting put in prison are black or assian and I know why this is, its because of imigrants comming from piss poor countries and finding out that we have a shit punishment system.

[Dyn4micR3INZ]

@sazzieA1 and thinking that they can get away with it. Also I dont need to barter for stolen trainers, I have a job and can just go and buy them unlike some of these rats and if I was offered a cheap pair of stolen trainers I would report them. Dont act like you know me from a 6 line comment because you dont and this guy Darcus is the one that is truly racist because he thinks every white person is a racist witch is just bullshit type in Darcus Vs Johan and you will see.

[123jataylor]

@sazzieA1 it varies in different parts of the country as well, racists always talk about about black criminality in britain and seem to forget cities like glasgow exist.

[sazzieA1]

@123jataylor Also seem to forget that the biggest criminals sit in the seats of power ripping of everyone. I don't believe for one moment that when the MP was having a duckpond installed and cleaned at my expense, that he pondered whether I was black or white. We've all been 'mugged' by the institutions, some more than others.

[ELREndLondonRule]

@sazzieA1 Oh, would you please shut the fuck up.

[tojoconfused]

"Howe has been married three times. He has seven children by four different women. He had little contact with many of his children during their childhoods.His son Amiri was threatened with jail for a stolen passport scam..". Wikip-. wibblewibblepartoftheproblem..­.

[savetheinterpod]

LOL

[afare1]

"if you're an asshole, you're an asshole" you simplistic fucking moron liarpoliticans

[tompemberton]

Edwina Curry saying other people are disconected is pretty funny.

[CannibalWhirm]

This is not a race problem, is lazy lower class benefit scum that don't want to work, a majority of which appear to be black, acting like animals.

[Djambel]

@CannibalWhirm you are so full of shit the crap is flying out of your eyes and mouth.

[CannibalWhirm]

@Djambel Sorry mate, i'm right.

[TheWelshie1]

BLAME OTHERS RATHER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT .

IS THIS MAN ON ,OR HAS HIS BATTERIES RUN DOWN

[Lupinflo]

This man is a moron

[Fleshious]

It's racism again? What a load of crap.

Bring in the army and shoot the bastards.

[KumarZimmerman08]

Oh geez silly me for thinking blacks should be held responsible for their own actions. Of courses it the evil whites fault. What we need is even more diversity.. a few million more africans will solve the problem!

[dikkydoo1]

civil disobedience because of oppression or heavy handedness is one thing looting and robbing is pure criminality. so stop pretending its stop and search its scum helping themselves to other peoples property.