they could have just made the game on the source engine. there you go. a perfectly good physics engine. that way, the physics carries over to consoles. why did they not think of that?
I HATE NVIDIA! You can't run ATI for graphics and Nvidia for physics anymore. WHY?! If I buy a nVidia card for physics, they FUCKING HAVE THEIR MONEY! Also, CPU physx is a mess: it uses ancient coding and uses only 1 cpu core!
Just finished this game. Sure it is a showcase for PhysX but thats about it as a game it is tedoious, far too much video imbedded and the gameplay reminded me of games I was playing ten years ago, very one dimensional. IMO you concentrated too much on the hardware and PhysX and the gameplay suffered because of it. As a showcase for PhysX it works but as a game???????
I had nothing against Nvidia, until they took this awesome technology and made it exclusively usable on Nvidia cards. However, I can see that there are modified drivers to use it on ATI cards, that is, when two are present.
this game killed my 8800 gts which forced me to buy a 460 which i won't have until 9/13 :( and i never registered my evga 8000 because i had a friend install my card while i was at work and when i got home registering was far from my mind. warranty..voided. sigh.
your both wrong, physx is also an engine and has nothing to do with hardware like it use to, the only difference is that it uses the GPU for processing instead of the CPU. In fact there's an option on nvidia's control panel to offload all physx processing to CPU if you wanted to, works just as well too.
@PhoenixBird1983 What the heck are you saying? Please think about it.
GAMES can have graphics. Nvidia and ATI can't. You are probably talking about performance level. And obviously this isn't true: ATI will release the 6970 which is way better than anything out there. Oh and the 5970 toxic still kicks nvidia's asses!
I just watched the trailer, and what the hell, all it does is make shit loads of debri fly all over the place unrealistically. It looks cool in a ricer way but it looks a bit stupid too. Nothing lost here ATi.
Pff, the only thing is does is to throw small tiny fake pieces on the ground, pretty much pointless. Destruction exists without physics so dont bother.
"oh yeah the trenchcoat the way it moves it really realistic" go blow it out your fucking ass they think they can make it up to ps3 by giving it "exclusive content"
It looks good, especially the way the coats don't clip the character's legs, that would drive me crazy when I'd be playing a game and the main character's costume is clipping him.. it looks terrible. But the debris is overrated, it just looks like they threw a bunch of triangles and junk on the floor.
The fail thing about this video is that the X when he shoots with a turret, is a Xbox 360 X to go away from the turret. LOL. This is captured on the 360. FAIL Nvidia.
@nhlkingen55 Or... for some really stupid reason, they decided to play the game with a 360 controller, which is probably the case.... the one that doesn't make sense.
PhysX isn't nVidia hardware dedicated, it should work as good/fast on a CPU. The only problem is that nVidia developpers have optimised the software to not run good on CPUs. Sauce: look "PhysX CPU slow optimisation" up on Google.
You realize the PhysX code can also be run on AMD/ATI GPU? In fact, Nvidia specifically patched the drivers to block PhysX code execution if it detects ANY competitor GPU after a user created "incident".
With the advent of CPUs with more cores than you know what to do with for cheap, Nvidia's closed source "Hardware" Physics will go extinct. I hope, long before that, Nvidia will run out of bribe money so developers will use the open source physics code.
@JackTaco ... software that can be accelerated on NVidia hardware. A bullet is still pointy and aerodynamic if you're just throwing them or using a slingshot or something. But put that bullet into a gun, and you've got something deadly.
@dasmegabyte again missing the point that everyone is arguing. PhysX is Software that runs on nVidia Hardware. PhysX is NOT hardware. THAT is the distinction I saw everyone grumbling over.
Yeah, it's PROPRIETARY software that ONLY runs on nVidia cards, but it IS software.
pelihullu69 and anyone that rates him up obviously know nothing about physics engines or the hardware to run them. Thus he shows how dumb he is, while anyone voting him up are the equivalent of retards telling their retarded friend that he's smart.
@namstel Exactly, so much effort goes into making games prettier and prettier, but what makes games fun and memorable is the gameplay—unfortunately, it's hard to advertise gameplay because you can only know how awesome it is by playing it. So they make it pretty so they'll have something to advertise.
I just played the demo for this game. It looks pretty aweful. I'm not going to waste my time and money on this. The textures are so bland and every little bit of it looks to be one big cliche crap fest. The cars handle terribly in simulation mode and I don't give a crap about its physx. GTAIV is a way better attempt at open world city life. This game is merely trying to play catch up with a bunch of stupid italians.
Buy a 9800 GT for PhysX and use a certain Nvidia Beta Driver(Cant remember the exact number off the top of my head) and install it to that card...There you go, you can use PhysX. :) When I find the exact Driver number I will post a link to your Channel Page.
@Amcacs5654 Having played the demo on both the xbox and on a pc with a gtx 460 installed, I'd have to say that the difference is very subtle, but favoring the pc version. It actually isn't too drastic of a change, for example, when vito's shirt moves on the pc version, it moves fluently, as if it was affected by the wind and other environmental factors, whereas on the xbox (and im assuming the ps3 version is typically in the same area) it takes more effort to get it to move. Not a huge change.
Tires popping? Ok GTA on the PS2 did that. Cloth Simulation ok...We haven't seen that before /facepalm..... Walls and boxes blowing up and chipping away. It's not like Red Faction has done that before or a million other games... Truth is 2k and R* are cheap bastards. Nvidia's Phys-x engine is free. Havok engine has done a better job with better performance for a long while. Phy-x is a engine from around when Unreal Tournament 2004 came out. It's old and outdated. Which makes it run like shit.
@Shawn14316 PhysX is from 2004? Great. That's newer than Havok, which was introduced in 2000. Besides which, PhysX has been updated countless times, providing such features as Hardware acceleration and GPU acceleration, whereas Havok hasn't.
@cataxo444 The card in the xbox is an ati, yet they endorse nvidia physx for that platform, so the engine is obviously more flexible then nvidia is leading on.
@Bloodshed118 nvidia has already offered Physx support with ATi cards for PC. It's ATi that doesn't agree to it. Without ATi support, nvidia cannot then guarantee compatibility which could lead to lawsuits. xbox supports physx because Microsoft controls the programming for the platform and worked with nvidia to develop the physx SDK specifically for it. So thank ATi for the BS of not working with nvidia if you want Physx...
@bl91978 Actually, while Nvidia says that PhysX is totally open and cross platform, they made it rely on their CUDA platform in order to work. If ATI were to try to make a PhysX-compatible GPU, they'd need to somehow build it to Nvidia hardware specs. Sooo..... yeah. PhysX also could run fine on a CPU if it weren't using x87 instructions, so this GPU A vs B stuff is pointless.
@0871Atta You would still need an nvidia card. That's where you're asking too much if you don't want to have to buy it from nvidia. It's that they would have worked with ATi so that an ATi card owner could use an nvidia card as a physx card the same way you could do it with a legacy Aegia card now. It's the support for such an arrangement that ATi refused, and in doing so screwed it's customer base of physx technology that's going into games like batmanAA and Just cause 2 as well as this one.
@bl91978 Do you have a source for that? I haven't read anything like it.
Either way, I don't think anyone is getting screwed by PhysX besides developers who drink the N-branded Kool Aid. Also, Just Cause 2 uses CPU Havok physics.
@argosaddict It is actually a feature not all pc gamers can have, only nvidia users can have this features, while ATI can't, before though, ATI can use nvidia cards as a physx, but nvidia disabled this feature with thier latest drivers, and newer games will support physx only with nvidias based cards, and btw consoles can't even handle the physx power,it needs a serious GPU/CPU power, if they added physx to the consoles the game will run at like 5-7fps on low settings, so no chance for consoles.
@MrB1rdman Nope, sorry, you're wrong. The only cards better than the GTX 480 are the HD5970 2GB and 4GB, which are $200 and $500 more expensive. They have benchmarks and many other tests over at overclock(dot)net to prove it.
Alas! I have AMD Athlon X2 3800+ and 9400 gt. I think it will be unplayable for my PC. But i think the grafix is not to much good to want this type of high configared pc. And all physX effects are pre-used and not too awesome.
why are they getting happy about being able shoot out car tired, shit you can do that in pretty much every open world game. there explaining effects that everyone takes for granted by now like shell casings hitting the floor and cloth simulation this game is gonna be shit
@testwordz A cpu can do whatever Physx can. You should better read that up. Physx is a middleware that utilizes either the processor or an nV gpu provided an app supported it. As of now, all developers do is just triple the amount of debris to ludicrous levels. And Im no fanboi. Im on a GTX 480, and enjoying 257.15.
It's quite obvious from the video that Physics will be badly optimized as usual. Half the scenes with a lot of debris and chunks falling off the wall, are lagging. Not to mention that Mafia will be a heavy ass game, hardware wise.
Congratulation Nvidia you have produced a game that will be unlike any other gaming experience by utilizing PhysX. I do have a concern it is the game experience compared from PC to console. That is the console version will lack the mass amount of in game effect compared to PC. Will loyal game fan's notice. Will that effect the console version when it comes to review time and or sales $ Maybe one idea is to sell your console and buy Nvidia. All I know is I want to crank it up and enjoy.
PhysX and Havok are two very different physics engines, whereas the Euphoria Engine isn't much of a physics engine in itself but can be more accurately described as an "AI Reflex Action" engine.
you do realize that you cannot compare Havok, which is a physics engine (software) to PhysX, which is hardware in the terms with which you are trying to compare them. Saying that PhysX is better than Havok (or vice versa) in terms of physics engine performance is like saying that my car is better than your bike in terms of internal combustion performance, or that oranges are better than shoes in terms of nutrition.
PhysX isn't any particular piece of hardware... it's still software, a physics engine with its own library and SDK. It can run entirely on the CPU - or the GPU, if it supports Nvidia's CUDA technology. It could even run on Ati GPUs, if someone would add OpenCL- or DirectCompute-support as an alternative, but clearly Nvidia doesn't want that to happen.
Havok isn't any different there - if they decide to support GPGPU, it could be run on the GPU just like PhysX.
@pelihullu69 right, ati is the good company that comes from heaven, nvidia is pure evil... COME ON!!
physX calculations (NOT preprogrammed) are better, especially in clothes and water simulation. be objective and not a fanboy. ati had the opportunity to implement physx too (the programming language is open) but they didn't.
@luciosergiocatilina1 actually that's only partly right. ATI would have to pay a huge amount of licensing fees to implement PhysX.
I was going to buy Mafia II, but with this PhysX crap I won't. Games like Stranglehold, Crysis and especially Red Faction Guerilla showed us we don't need crappy PhysX to have great looking (destruction and) physics effects.
@pelihullu69 And where is the promised GPU acceleration of Havok? Oh yeah, that's right, NOWHERE. NV offered to work with ATi to enable PhysX on ATi hardware, and ATi refused (Having just bought Havok). So while NVidia were willing to work with ATi and Havok, ATi scr3w3d the consumer yet again.
Are you serious with that comment? Havok is a Physics engine, PhysX is piece of hardware for enhancing the performance of a physics engine. It is entirely possible to have a Havok-based game run with the help of a nVidia PhysX card. Do you know what that would do? It would allow the Havok engine to tax the PhysX card more than your system's processor, allowing for better physics effects without wasting cpu time. Your comment is ridiculous; you've compared two entirely diff. things.
@HeistSpaggiari You seem to think you know a lot, buy you're just making this up. Just look PhysX up on wikipedia to see that you're wrong. PhysX is a software physics engine, just like Havok. There is hardware specifically made for accelerating the PhysX software engine, but it is still a software engine. You can turn on full PhysX effects in Mafia 2 even if you don't have a dedicated card for PhysX... it'll just run like shit. They are competing physics engines. Do your research smartarse.
yeah you're right, I was working with outdated information. Ever since I started school i've kindof lost touch with the gaming and pc community. Last I checked nvidia was still making dedicated cards. That's how outdated my information was. I looked it up though, got my facts straight now.
@HeistSpaggiari PhysX is a physics engine. Look it up on wikipedia. And nVidia don't make a "PhysX card". Dedicated PhysX cards haven't been made since nVidia bought Ageia. PhysX is now capable of using CUDA, so it can use a second nVidia GPU in your PC for hardware acceleration. That wouldn't do anything for Havok, which doesn't use CUDA, and currently doesn't support any form of hardware acceleration. Your comment is ridiculous; you don't know what you're talking about.
@HeistSpaggiari Not different at all; why are you talking like you know things? Physx is a physics engine just like Havok. Physx can be run on the CPU just like Havok - check out an old Cell Factor demo. You can get the effects without an nVidia card, rendered (more slowly) on the CPU. nVidia accelerates Physx with their cards. They are not "Physx cards" like you allude to yourself, they could be made to accelerate other physics engines as well.
Yeah you are right, I was talking from a 4 years old perspective, relying on outdated information. The last time I had checked Nvidia was still making dedicated physics cards. I think I'm up to date now though, did some homework and all that. Nothing like being totally wrong to encourage further research.
@HeistSpaggiari In the same way, if AMD cares, an ATI card could be made to accelerate Havok. It could be made to accelerate Physx too, if nVidia licensing didn't make it impossible.
nVidia makes graphics / general purpose cards, which they pimp for accelerating Physx, which they own. That's about all that separates Physx from Havok, both of which are physics engines. Repeat: they are not entirely different things.
the gameplay feels like too arcade its dificult to explain too simple as well it would be much better an 3 person with gameplay like splinter cell chaos theory or pandora and the driving of the cars is too arcade as well.. some simulation elements should be used.. i loved the 1st mafia this is like the 1st one with better bling bling. still good but cmon i am expecting more reality im the shotting and driving!
The stuff that bugs me the most is the explosions when shooting at the cars. Shouldn't even be explosions, what car explodes when firing upon it?
I mean if you would hit the gas tank and the minor chance that the bullet would somehow cause a spark would at least make it catch on fire, but not explosions with mushroom clouds...
hmm ... i have never had problems with physix performance ... much more physical improvements than in havoc driven by cpu ... and not so much frame rates drops here. Yes may be on my old 8800 gts two years back .
first they delay the game only to relese it when nvidia lets cough*bribes*cough them to relese the game funny enough when there new apparent "super" cards come out (which are the same as the 5870 preformance wise), and yes, no x2 (sli) versions until august, so once again nvidia is trying to be top in debt dog paying off companies to use this apparently brilliant physx tech, whats the big deal with physx, i had a 295 and switched to a 5970, and i now use havok and open cl/gl... i dont need physx
ati fanboy, lol im not a sad "fanboy" as i have more of a life than arguing with idiots about which crappy slab of tech is better lol yes i prfer ati but i dont "hate" nvidia, if nvidia got there thumb out of there ass and actually produced cheap and effficent cards like ati i would go with them
hah! i knew someone is going to say that!!! i was expecting this reply.
But then again... promoting a PC product using console periferials? EPIC FAIL
I love MAFIA so much that i fear Nvidia is going fuck up this game so bad, its gonna run worse than GTA4. All because of their shit physx that only makes my framerate go -20 down.
@Zogrim playing an FPS with gamepad is my favourite hobby besides trying to cook sand and eggs with my optical (you know, laser!!41) mouse, winning staring contests in the dark, eating with a pichfork, etc..
It's possible to buy a lower end card to use for dedicated PhysX and then use a higher end card (even a radeon) for the graphic processing. This allows for a cheap solution for PhysX
@xStalkerxx Do a research before say something like that, the cloths simulation on 2000's, was just a "scripted" version("always" the same movement), and now is a real time calculation, doing a smooth and different movement of the cloth.
@xStalkerxx Yeah bro, we obviously had the same technologies 10 years ago as we do now, and we're just making a bigger deal out of it for some reason even though it hasn't improved much.
Sarcasm, in case you're not good with the internet.
360 games are starting to look outdated compared to pc. I have both and recently tried a demo of just cause 2 on both and the pc looked far better. I don't even have a very high spec pc I got it 2 years ago
@GuysSeriously Yeah but it's also about having a good tv and it you plug your HDMI stick from your xbox to your tv then the graphics will change a lot.
Физика совсем даже не супер. Все это мы уже видели в других играх. В моменте где он сидит за столом, после выстрела видно что пуля прошла не сквозь стол а отломила от него 4-ую часть. ЧТо за бред?!
they could have just made the game on the source engine. there you go. a perfectly good physics engine. that way, the physics carries over to consoles. why did they not think of that?
Barderoth 9 months ago
I HATE NVIDIA! You can't run ATI for graphics and Nvidia for physics anymore. WHY?! If I buy a nVidia card for physics, they FUCKING HAVE THEIR MONEY! Also, CPU physx is a mess: it uses ancient coding and uses only 1 cpu core!
FRURMELLL 1 year ago
Just finished this game. Sure it is a showcase for PhysX but thats about it as a game it is tedoious, far too much video imbedded and the gameplay reminded me of games I was playing ten years ago, very one dimensional. IMO you concentrated too much on the hardware and PhysX and the gameplay suffered because of it. As a showcase for PhysX it works but as a game???????
TerribleTony 1 year ago
I had nothing against Nvidia, until they took this awesome technology and made it exclusively usable on Nvidia cards. However, I can see that there are modified drivers to use it on ATI cards, that is, when two are present.
Granpire 1 year ago
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But in the ATI 5000 series the clothes do not move like that?
and the firing on structures do not be like that?
griexdast 1 year ago
Man, i want to be able to enable Physx in my games so bad... Time to switch to Nvidia.
bigboss25262 1 year ago
@bigboss25262 For physx? why would you switch to nvidia just for PHYSX?
I mean if your card is old, then sure, upgrade but don't choose nVidia for PHYSX I mean come on...
This coming from an nvidia fanboy, proud owner of a 8800gt then a gtx 460.
Roflbrowser 1 year ago
this game killed my 8800 gts which forced me to buy a 460 which i won't have until 9/13 :( and i never registered my evga 8000 because i had a friend install my card while i was at work and when i got home registering was far from my mind. warranty..voided. sigh.
kidvicemusic 1 year ago
this game is better than gta 4, do doubt, imo
eafanboyssuck 1 year ago
your both wrong, physx is also an engine and has nothing to do with hardware like it use to, the only difference is that it uses the GPU for processing instead of the CPU. In fact there's an option on nvidia's control panel to offload all physx processing to CPU if you wanted to, works just as well too.
dont talk out your asses noobs.
snake172 1 year ago
Thumbs Up if you think Nvidia has better graphics than stupid ATI
PhoenixBird1983 1 year ago
@PhoenixBird1983 What the heck are you saying? Please think about it.
GAMES can have graphics. Nvidia and ATI can't. You are probably talking about performance level. And obviously this isn't true: ATI will release the 6970 which is way better than anything out there. Oh and the 5970 toxic still kicks nvidia's asses!
FRURMELLL 1 year ago
I just watched the trailer, and what the hell, all it does is make shit loads of debri fly all over the place unrealistically. It looks cool in a ricer way but it looks a bit stupid too. Nothing lost here ATi.
RuberHammer 1 year ago
Pff, the only thing is does is to throw small tiny fake pieces on the ground, pretty much pointless. Destruction exists without physics so dont bother.
au25 1 year ago
looks great
Norha820 1 year ago
use euphoria u fag
ThomasDemko 1 year ago
@ThomasDemko why, then its going to be like gta and the texture would be all arcade like
Miike92 1 year ago
Check the wiki article for Physx.
It's middleware. Just like Havok. Yes, there are also Physics Processing Units called Physx. They are tailored for use with physx middleware.
KraZ3d1 1 year ago
this is about THE GAME. NOT YOUR QUARRELL BETWEEN EACHOTHERS FALSE
IDEA OF "RIGHT"
biofinget 1 year ago
Who gave thumbs to HeistSpaggiari? He's completely talking out of his ass. PhysX and Havok are competing technologies at both the CPU and GPU levels.
aerundel 1 year ago
"oh yeah the trenchcoat the way it moves it really realistic" go blow it out your fucking ass they think they can make it up to ps3 by giving it "exclusive content"
TheCrazyMotherFudger 1 year ago
@TheCrazyMotherFudger its coming to xbox 360 too...
biofinget 1 year ago
@TheCrazyMotherFudger its gay how they boast about how much they put into the physics engine and it doesnt even show for ps3 fully
Miike92 1 year ago
@dcorban "like".. but they are improving. you havent been pc gaming long enough bro. XD
andoi9292 1 year ago
"Crank That S#!T up!" -- why censor a word and then use it anyway? Why? WHY?! It makes no sense! I hate this world!!
WoodrowShigeru 1 year ago
I wonder how the 360 version compares. I'd love to see a side-by-side.
Eliasoz 1 year ago
nVidia's new slogan is "Crank that Sh#! up"? Really? How juvenile.
knightnz 1 year ago
@knightnz oh get over yourself.
Two49 1 year ago
It looks good, especially the way the coats don't clip the character's legs, that would drive me crazy when I'd be playing a game and the main character's costume is clipping him.. it looks terrible. But the debris is overrated, it just looks like they threw a bunch of triangles and junk on the floor.
icanhasheadache 1 year ago
The fail thing about this video is that the X when he shoots with a turret, is a Xbox 360 X to go away from the turret. LOL. This is captured on the 360. FAIL Nvidia.
nhlkingen55 1 year ago
@nhlkingen55 Or... for some really stupid reason, they decided to play the game with a 360 controller, which is probably the case.... the one that doesn't make sense.
reNINTENDO 1 year ago
@nhlkingen55 You can use a 360 controller with PC. Ever play Lost Planet on the PC? It uses the same icons.
D20EnderC 1 year ago
But the game itself does look awesome. :)
ikt93 1 year ago
LOL PHYSX
PhysX isn't nVidia hardware dedicated, it should work as good/fast on a CPU. The only problem is that nVidia developpers have optimised the software to not run good on CPUs. Sauce: look "PhysX CPU slow optimisation" up on Google.
ikt93 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari
You realize the PhysX code can also be run on AMD/ATI GPU? In fact, Nvidia specifically patched the drivers to block PhysX code execution if it detects ANY competitor GPU after a user created "incident".
With the advent of CPUs with more cores than you know what to do with for cheap, Nvidia's closed source "Hardware" Physics will go extinct. I hope, long before that, Nvidia will run out of bribe money so developers will use the open source physics code.
TheSid2 1 year ago
So that was a neat video
Bauzer 1 year ago
@Everyone End this silly argument once and for all. Go to the Nvidia site and look up PhysX.
It says it right there in their FAQ >in the first paragraph< that it is SOFTWARE. :p :)
HTH HAND
JackTaco 1 year ago
@JackTaco ... software that can be accelerated on NVidia hardware. A bullet is still pointy and aerodynamic if you're just throwing them or using a slingshot or something. But put that bullet into a gun, and you've got something deadly.
dasmegabyte 1 year ago
@dasmegabyte again missing the point that everyone is arguing. PhysX is Software that runs on nVidia Hardware. PhysX is NOT hardware. THAT is the distinction I saw everyone grumbling over.
Yeah, it's PROPRIETARY software that ONLY runs on nVidia cards, but it IS software.
JackTaco 1 year ago
pelihullu69 and anyone that rates him up obviously know nothing about physics engines or the hardware to run them. Thus he shows how dumb he is, while anyone voting him up are the equivalent of retards telling their retarded friend that he's smart.
automaticman83 1 year ago
I liked this video until CRANK THAT S#!T UP. Lame.
MikeBlackney 1 year ago 2
Yay, bring on the physics API holy wars ...??
ralgha 1 year ago
Stuff like that looks nice in a video, but when I'm playing the game I'm not even going to notice it.
namstel 1 year ago
@namstel Exactly, so much effort goes into making games prettier and prettier, but what makes games fun and memorable is the gameplay—unfortunately, it's hard to advertise gameplay because you can only know how awesome it is by playing it. So they make it pretty so they'll have something to advertise.
gmerriment 1 year ago
Ugh, I hate these trailers. HEY GUISE LOOK AT DIS CLOTH STUFF THAT IS TOTALLY NU AND NOT 5 YEARS OLD OR ANYTHING!
Little shards flying through objects(?) won't convince me to part with my ATI either. :P
foetus4all 1 year ago
'crank that shit up?' trying to be down with the kids, are we?
STorpedo 1 year ago
I just played the demo for this game. It looks pretty aweful. I'm not going to waste my time and money on this. The textures are so bland and every little bit of it looks to be one big cliche crap fest. The cars handle terribly in simulation mode and I don't give a crap about its physx. GTAIV is a way better attempt at open world city life. This game is merely trying to play catch up with a bunch of stupid italians.
HazardousSky 1 year ago
oh boy, graphics
those sure are fun :(
Bananadine 1 year ago
"dramatic SORT OF explosives", as opposed to explosives that aren't explosive enough
VaelVictus 1 year ago
Wait, is PhysX going to be used in the full game on ALL consoles (PS3, Xbox, PC)?
ChickenWings103 1 year ago
wow, how weak
pfannkuchengesicht42 1 year ago
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Can PhysX be enabled on Xbox 360? Because I heard that Xbox is using Nvidia graphics card and PS3 is using ATI Graphics Card.
Ese186 1 year ago
To bad I have an ATI card, damn that PhysX.
TheLastHaze 1 year ago
@TheLastHaze
Buy a 9800 GT for PhysX and use a certain Nvidia Beta Driver(Cant remember the exact number off the top of my head) and install it to that card...There you go, you can use PhysX. :) When I find the exact Driver number I will post a link to your Channel Page.
GamersNextDoor 1 year ago
Is it going to be that good on the 360 and PS3? or did we get fucked over?
Amcacs5654 1 year ago
@Amcacs5654 Having played the demo on both the xbox and on a pc with a gtx 460 installed, I'd have to say that the difference is very subtle, but favoring the pc version. It actually isn't too drastic of a change, for example, when vito's shirt moves on the pc version, it moves fluently, as if it was affected by the wind and other environmental factors, whereas on the xbox (and im assuming the ps3 version is typically in the same area) it takes more effort to get it to move. Not a huge change.
Bloodshed118 1 year ago
@Bloodshed118 I have the PS3 demo and it doesn't move at all. Looks like I'm going to have to switch pre orders.
Amcacs5654 1 year ago
Tires popping? Ok GTA on the PS2 did that. Cloth Simulation ok...We haven't seen that before /facepalm..... Walls and boxes blowing up and chipping away. It's not like Red Faction has done that before or a million other games... Truth is 2k and R* are cheap bastards. Nvidia's Phys-x engine is free. Havok engine has done a better job with better performance for a long while. Phy-x is a engine from around when Unreal Tournament 2004 came out. It's old and outdated. Which makes it run like shit.
Shawn14316 1 year ago
@Shawn14316 PhysX is from 2004? Great. That's newer than Havok, which was introduced in 2000. Besides which, PhysX has been updated countless times, providing such features as Hardware acceleration and GPU acceleration, whereas Havok hasn't.
Anaerin 1 year ago
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"in our game we tried to make a goodfellas style story"
-cut to yet more scenes of the bland character shooting bland mafia types with no regard for his own safety-
Yes very much like goodfellas......knobhead....
BrazilianPeanutWar 1 year ago
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BrazilianPeanutWar 1 year ago
i like the technology itself, but games that make it exclusive to nvidia are pointless..
cataxo444 1 year ago
@cataxo444 The card in the xbox is an ati, yet they endorse nvidia physx for that platform, so the engine is obviously more flexible then nvidia is leading on.
Bloodshed118 1 year ago
@Bloodshed118 nvidia has already offered Physx support with ATi cards for PC. It's ATi that doesn't agree to it. Without ATi support, nvidia cannot then guarantee compatibility which could lead to lawsuits. xbox supports physx because Microsoft controls the programming for the platform and worked with nvidia to develop the physx SDK specifically for it. So thank ATi for the BS of not working with nvidia if you want Physx...
bl91978 1 year ago
@bl91978 Actually, while Nvidia says that PhysX is totally open and cross platform, they made it rely on their CUDA platform in order to work. If ATI were to try to make a PhysX-compatible GPU, they'd need to somehow build it to Nvidia hardware specs. Sooo..... yeah. PhysX also could run fine on a CPU if it weren't using x87 instructions, so this GPU A vs B stuff is pointless.
0871Atta 1 year ago
@0871Atta You would still need an nvidia card. That's where you're asking too much if you don't want to have to buy it from nvidia. It's that they would have worked with ATi so that an ATi card owner could use an nvidia card as a physx card the same way you could do it with a legacy Aegia card now. It's the support for such an arrangement that ATi refused, and in doing so screwed it's customer base of physx technology that's going into games like batmanAA and Just cause 2 as well as this one.
bl91978 1 year ago
@bl91978 Do you have a source for that? I haven't read anything like it.
Either way, I don't think anyone is getting screwed by PhysX besides developers who drink the N-branded Kool Aid. Also, Just Cause 2 uses CPU Havok physics.
0871Atta 1 year ago
snoop dog approves
motorkola2 1 year ago
LOL CONSOLE N00BS
igotnonumbers 1 year ago
Shoot tires? glass bottles? smash tables?
Jesus fucking hell. We have been able to do thgat FOREVER.
gregor00005 1 year ago
meh
I need to get around to getting my I cpu
already have the 470 but its worthless on a duo 3ghz :P
GModPlaya 1 year ago
Is the Physx just on PC or is it on consoles as well?
argosaddict 1 year ago 2
@argosaddict It is actually a feature not all pc gamers can have, only nvidia users can have this features, while ATI can't, before though, ATI can use nvidia cards as a physx, but nvidia disabled this feature with thier latest drivers, and newer games will support physx only with nvidias based cards, and btw consoles can't even handle the physx power,it needs a serious GPU/CPU power, if they added physx to the consoles the game will run at like 5-7fps on low settings, so no chance for consoles.
othman626 1 year ago
nothing special.. and u HAVE TO buy expensive, powerfull PC to play this game. Only morons do that.
TheZareba 1 year ago
@MrB1rdman Nope, sorry, you're wrong. The only cards better than the GTX 480 are the HD5970 2GB and 4GB, which are $200 and $500 more expensive. They have benchmarks and many other tests over at overclock(dot)net to prove it.
ub3r1337pwn4g3 1 year ago
Alas! I have AMD Athlon X2 3800+ and 9400 gt. I think it will be unplayable for my PC. But i think the grafix is not to much good to want this type of high configared pc. And all physX effects are pre-used and not too awesome.
anithalder 1 year ago
why are they getting happy about being able shoot out car tired, shit you can do that in pretty much every open world game. there explaining effects that everyone takes for granted by now like shell casings hitting the floor and cloth simulation this game is gonna be shit
mongolob 1 year ago
geez 2K dude, couldn't you hype it more LMAO. Looks avarage and bundled to nv hahajh noobs.. yea you hit the nail in the head.
crap game with crappy lag physx effects.
TheDigitalHunter 1 year ago
game wise. Game responsible, take a ATI 5xxx GPU
enterprise0709 1 year ago
will this have DX11?
TheGreenSmoke 1 year ago
i've seen all of these in Killzone 2, and it is an early 2009 game
Batu731 1 year ago
It looks awesome! and im definetly gonna buy it, but im wondering how well it will run with the new 470GTX/480GTX cards on its highest settings...?
barrymannetje 1 year ago
nVidia Physx: You crack one piece of egg, and a dozen worth of egg shell particles magically appears and bouncing about.
Reason4Termination 1 year ago
@Reason4Termination
You're obviously a retard.
PhysX can do things a CPU cant.
What the developers decide to use this extra power for, is up to them, its not decided by PhysX.
Read up on it before you say shit. Fucking fanboy.
testwordz 1 year ago
@testwordz A cpu can do whatever Physx can. You should better read that up. Physx is a middleware that utilizes either the processor or an nV gpu provided an app supported it. As of now, all developers do is just triple the amount of debris to ludicrous levels. And Im no fanboi. Im on a GTX 480, and enjoying 257.15.
Reason4Termination 1 year ago
But in the ATI 5000 series the clothes do not move like that?
and the firing on structures do not be like that?
idanvrdiel 1 year ago
It's quite obvious from the video that Physics will be badly optimized as usual. Half the scenes with a lot of debris and chunks falling off the wall, are lagging. Not to mention that Mafia will be a heavy ass game, hardware wise.
Physics will be turned off for sure!
indeed3 1 year ago
Congratulation Nvidia you have produced a game that will be unlike any other gaming experience by utilizing PhysX. I do have a concern it is the game experience compared from PC to console. That is the console version will lack the mass amount of in game effect compared to PC. Will loyal game fan's notice. Will that effect the console version when it comes to review time and or sales $ Maybe one idea is to sell your console and buy Nvidia. All I know is I want to crank it up and enjoy.
captaincough 1 year ago
so wat about ATI ppu acceleration
tarangkhaitan 1 year ago
1:45. Danny DeVito?
hisdudenessxiv 1 year ago 2
i'm so gonna buy this game on PC
davyklok27 1 year ago 2
This will be awesome
Pentagon1311 1 year ago
Nice one of the reason why you should play this game on PC
Sanaa2k 1 year ago
gahhhhh 0:23, why doesn't the driver react????
MrBarackObonga 1 year ago
@MrBarackObonga maybe car's were heavy back then and slow alot slower..
VanSanProductions 1 year ago
@MrBarackObonga He is actually firing his pistol, if you look closely you can see a muzzle flash.
ille326 1 year ago
Wow, that's cool...PhyX and Havok. It will be very good, if for ragdoll physics they will use Euphoria engine)))
Halfer1 1 year ago
PhysX and Havok are two very different physics engines, whereas the Euphoria Engine isn't much of a physics engine in itself but can be more accurately described as an "AI Reflex Action" engine.
elliottad 1 year ago
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PhysX and Havok are two very different Physics engines, whereas the Euphoria engine can be more accurately described as an "AI Reflex Action" Engine
elliottad 1 year ago
Want destructivilty..try Red Faction:Guerilla
I expect to much from game engines since that i'm disapointed when i can't smash through a wall or floor
TigerMilitia 1 year ago
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Fail.. Havok is like 10 times better than this nvidia shit...
pelihullu69 1 year ago
@pelihullu69 ohhhhh please.... physx is much more accurate and realistic than havok.
luciosergiocatilina1 1 year ago
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@luciosergiocatilina1 are you serious? just search havok physics. they are so much more accurate and are not pre programmed.
H2hTrifid 1 year ago
@H2hTrifid
you do realize that you cannot compare Havok, which is a physics engine (software) to PhysX, which is hardware in the terms with which you are trying to compare them. Saying that PhysX is better than Havok (or vice versa) in terms of physics engine performance is like saying that my car is better than your bike in terms of internal combustion performance, or that oranges are better than shoes in terms of nutrition.
HeistSpaggiari 1 year ago 33
@HeistSpaggiari awesome
izzfunk 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari
PhysX isn't any particular piece of hardware... it's still software, a physics engine with its own library and SDK. It can run entirely on the CPU - or the GPU, if it supports Nvidia's CUDA technology. It could even run on Ati GPUs, if someone would add OpenCL- or DirectCompute-support as an alternative, but clearly Nvidia doesn't want that to happen.
Havok isn't any different there - if they decide to support GPGPU, it could be run on the GPU just like PhysX.
arparso 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari You are a well educated man/woman
NotoriousBIG1997 1 year ago
@pelihullu69 right, ati is the good company that comes from heaven, nvidia is pure evil... COME ON!!
physX calculations (NOT preprogrammed) are better, especially in clothes and water simulation. be objective and not a fanboy. ati had the opportunity to implement physx too (the programming language is open) but they didn't.
luciosergiocatilina1 1 year ago
@luciosergiocatilina1 actually that's only partly right. ATI would have to pay a huge amount of licensing fees to implement PhysX.
I was going to buy Mafia II, but with this PhysX crap I won't. Games like Stranglehold, Crysis and especially Red Faction Guerilla showed us we don't need crappy PhysX to have great looking (destruction and) physics effects.
Mincle 1 year ago
@Mincle PhysX is excellent. Especially with an Aegia PhysiX card.
ethanforster 1 year ago
@Mincle I think Stranglehold used PhysX.
groberti 1 year ago
@groberti No, it used Havok.
Mincle 1 year ago
@pelihullu69 And where is the promised GPU acceleration of Havok? Oh yeah, that's right, NOWHERE. NV offered to work with ATi to enable PhysX on ATi hardware, and ATi refused (Having just bought Havok). So while NVidia were willing to work with ATi and Havok, ATi scr3w3d the consumer yet again.
Anaerin 1 year ago
@pelihullu69 you obviously haven't seen the original physx demos. . . which youtube won't let me link
nanthil 1 year ago
@pelihullu69
Are you serious with that comment? Havok is a Physics engine, PhysX is piece of hardware for enhancing the performance of a physics engine. It is entirely possible to have a Havok-based game run with the help of a nVidia PhysX card. Do you know what that would do? It would allow the Havok engine to tax the PhysX card more than your system's processor, allowing for better physics effects without wasting cpu time. Your comment is ridiculous; you've compared two entirely diff. things.
HeistSpaggiari 1 year ago 13
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DancingOmelette 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari You seem to think you know a lot, buy you're just making this up. Just look PhysX up on wikipedia to see that you're wrong. PhysX is a software physics engine, just like Havok. There is hardware specifically made for accelerating the PhysX software engine, but it is still a software engine. You can turn on full PhysX effects in Mafia 2 even if you don't have a dedicated card for PhysX... it'll just run like shit. They are competing physics engines. Do your research smartarse.
DancingOmelette 1 year ago
@DancingOmelette
yeah you're right, I was working with outdated information. Ever since I started school i've kindof lost touch with the gaming and pc community. Last I checked nvidia was still making dedicated cards. That's how outdated my information was. I looked it up though, got my facts straight now.
HeistSpaggiari 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari PhysX is a physics engine. Look it up on wikipedia. And nVidia don't make a "PhysX card". Dedicated PhysX cards haven't been made since nVidia bought Ageia. PhysX is now capable of using CUDA, so it can use a second nVidia GPU in your PC for hardware acceleration. That wouldn't do anything for Havok, which doesn't use CUDA, and currently doesn't support any form of hardware acceleration. Your comment is ridiculous; you don't know what you're talking about.
DancingOmelette 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari Not different at all; why are you talking like you know things? Physx is a physics engine just like Havok. Physx can be run on the CPU just like Havok - check out an old Cell Factor demo. You can get the effects without an nVidia card, rendered (more slowly) on the CPU. nVidia accelerates Physx with their cards. They are not "Physx cards" like you allude to yourself, they could be made to accelerate other physics engines as well.
MamiyaOtaru 1 year ago
@MamiyaOtaru
Yeah you are right, I was talking from a 4 years old perspective, relying on outdated information. The last time I had checked Nvidia was still making dedicated physics cards. I think I'm up to date now though, did some homework and all that. Nothing like being totally wrong to encourage further research.
HeistSpaggiari 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari In the same way, if AMD cares, an ATI card could be made to accelerate Havok. It could be made to accelerate Physx too, if nVidia licensing didn't make it impossible.
nVidia makes graphics / general purpose cards, which they pimp for accelerating Physx, which they own. That's about all that separates Physx from Havok, both of which are physics engines. Repeat: they are not entirely different things.
MamiyaOtaru 1 year ago
@HeistSpaggiari thumbs up ur own comment much?
DJsharp707 7 months ago
The game will rock
Pentagon1311 1 year ago
0:23 lol the taxi doesn't speed up even he is being Rained by Tommy Gun.
luftwaffe789456123 1 year ago
THIS IS FUCKIN AMAZING!!!
AltimaSilverBullet 1 year ago
Huge fan of Mafia 1, let's hope this'll be just as good!
weses2 1 year ago
this game ...just for adults! STOP kids!
TRUEdemiurg 1 year ago
there is one thing that denby does that really has bugged me since day one. He uses "sort of" WAY too much in interviews etc. Just take this one:
"Our goal is really to, sort of, ehm put the player, sort of, as the central..."
"...we are able to deliver things like debry, sort of piling up on the floor"
"By using PhysX we are able to create these really dramatic, sort of, explosions" (So they are not really explosions but almost)
"You'll hear the casing, sort of, hit the floor"
AnimeCuatro 1 year ago
Does anybody know what Shirt Denby Grace wears?
It looks cool. want to buy it ^^
dopefriend89 1 year ago
the gameplay feels like too arcade its dificult to explain too simple as well it would be much better an 3 person with gameplay like splinter cell chaos theory or pandora and the driving of the cars is too arcade as well.. some simulation elements should be used.. i loved the 1st mafia this is like the 1st one with better bling bling. still good but cmon i am expecting more reality im the shotting and driving!
veigadevil 1 year ago
I agree.
The stuff that bugs me the most is the explosions when shooting at the cars. Shouldn't even be explosions, what car explodes when firing upon it?
I mean if you would hit the gas tank and the minor chance that the bullet would somehow cause a spark would at least make it catch on fire, but not explosions with mushroom clouds...
sartanko 1 year ago
cand apare?
razvan95 1 year ago
ATI IS BETER..
kotanidi 1 year ago
Dressed up with a $2,000 suit carrying a Tommy gun... Classic!!!
Pentagon1311 1 year ago 2
This game will be awesome!
Pentagon1311 1 year ago 2
hmm ... i have never had problems with physix performance ... much more physical improvements than in havoc driven by cpu ... and not so much frame rates drops here. Yes may be on my old 8800 gts two years back .
MrDashCZ 1 year ago
So would mafia 2 be all glichy and shit
TheDon6909 1 year ago
I dont know if this is a myth or not, Is it true there is no car damage when driving like no whiles blow out and no car damage effecting you?
Clambercty 1 year ago
first they delay the game only to relese it when nvidia lets cough*bribes*cough them to relese the game funny enough when there new apparent "super" cards come out (which are the same as the 5870 preformance wise), and yes, no x2 (sli) versions until august, so once again nvidia is trying to be top in debt dog paying off companies to use this apparently brilliant physx tech, whats the big deal with physx, i had a 295 and switched to a 5970, and i now use havok and open cl/gl... i dont need physx
mrh112 1 year ago
@mrh112 gtfo ATI fanboy
SnaffleJBean 1 year ago
@SnaffleJBean
ati fanboy, lol im not a sad "fanboy" as i have more of a life than arguing with idiots about which crappy slab of tech is better lol yes i prfer ati but i dont "hate" nvidia, if nvidia got there thumb out of there ass and actually produced cheap and effficent cards like ati i would go with them
mrh112 1 year ago
Pfff what a failed marketing to favour Nvidia.
Stranglehold did all that shit way back in 2007.Cloth simulation was available since 2000 in Hitman Codename 47.
But now the problem is bad performance. with this shit Physx ON.
That nails it people....expect MAFIA2 to be running well only on i7 and GTX480. MAFIA 2 .We will have a new resource hog in town :(
0:17 EPIC FAIL they show us Xbox360 version featuring PC "features"
xStalkerxx 1 year ago 2
@xStalkerxx C'mon, you haven't played any PC game with gamepad ? they switch icons automatically
Zogrim 1 year ago 29
hah! i knew someone is going to say that!!! i was expecting this reply.
But then again... promoting a PC product using console periferials? EPIC FAIL
I love MAFIA so much that i fear Nvidia is going fuck up this game so bad, its gonna run worse than GTA4. All because of their shit physx that only makes my framerate go -20 down.
xStalkerxx 1 year ago
@Zogrim playing an FPS with gamepad is my favourite hobby besides trying to cook sand and eggs with my optical (you know, laser!!41) mouse, winning staring contests in the dark, eating with a pichfork, etc..
PAStheLoD 1 year ago
@Zogrim second this comment,, Some games switch icons automatically when you start playing with a gamepad(xbox 360 controller).
VanSanProductions 1 year ago
@xStalkerxx im guessing he using a 360 controller on the pc which changes the icons on screen, hrrrr!
pfernando27 1 year ago
@xStalkerxx
You had interactive, tearable cloth in Hitman? *cough*
TerracideDK 1 year ago
@xStalkerxx
It's possible to buy a lower end card to use for dedicated PhysX and then use a higher end card (even a radeon) for the graphic processing. This allows for a cheap solution for PhysX
brohana 1 year ago
@xStalkerxx Do a research before say something like that, the cloths simulation on 2000's, was just a "scripted" version("always" the same movement), and now is a real time calculation, doing a smooth and different movement of the cloth.
andrestyle2009 1 year ago
@xStalkerxx Yeah bro, we obviously had the same technologies 10 years ago as we do now, and we're just making a bigger deal out of it for some reason even though it hasn't improved much.
Sarcasm, in case you're not good with the internet.
VaelVictus 1 year ago
awesome
Sam3r26 1 year ago
the woman1:25 looks exactly like the woman on the christmas confession trailer
TheDon6909 1 year ago
Its gay that it comes out in August!
TheDon6909 1 year ago
I hope you can wear a hat and hope the gun fights will be intense
zerker12568901 1 year ago
You can wear a trench-coat?
That's it, I'm fuckin' buying this
Oerjeke 1 year ago
LOL at 0:24 when he shoot that taxi the driver doesn't change the speed. hes so relax waiting to die ...
Infin1ty007 1 year ago 31
your actually right in noticing that.. :\
yougonasorry 1 year ago
@Infin1ty007 :))
DonFlavi 1 year ago
haha thats rlly funny
mamas85 1 year ago
@Infin1ty007 Thats cause he knows hes on an armored cab!
Reason4Termination 1 year ago
очуметь
KraEvLoX 1 year ago
360 games are starting to look outdated compared to pc. I have both and recently tried a demo of just cause 2 on both and the pc looked far better. I don't even have a very high spec pc I got it 2 years ago
GuysSeriously 1 year ago 24
@GuysSeriously Yeah but it's also about having a good tv and it you plug your HDMI stick from your xbox to your tv then the graphics will change a lot.
MacxDex 1 year ago
Физика совсем даже не супер. Все это мы уже видели в других играх. В моменте где он сидит за столом, после выстрела видно что пуля прошла не сквозь стол а отломила от него 4-ую часть. ЧТо за бред?!
GreshNiknsk 1 year ago 3
Thanks nvidia!, mafia 2 now is choppy and laggy.
lukilladog 1 year ago
lets not forget that this is a youtube video.
may not be the game, just the video.
GarrettP130 1 year ago
no i can see why the delays been for .. first they ported the game , now they selling it for nvidia !
V0V0o 1 year ago