You seem like a very intelligent person. I do not understand gay marriage. I am sorry but I do not get it. I also will not stand here and deny a person the right to their freedom. (I do not mean to be offensive, If I am being so.) Marriage Is for two people who love each other. I have been with my wife for 13 years. I am so happy to share my life with her. Everyone should be able to feel the way I do about someone they love. Who are we to judge something that we do not understand?
The truth of the language of sexuality is also missing in sexual relationships
between people of the same gender. Homosexual acts themselves, not the person with a homosexual orientation, are objectively & gravely immoral because there is no communion of body and spirit which facilitates openness to the procreation of new life. Homosexuality undermines the truth, fullness & wholeness of sexual communion. The Theology of the Body
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She bashes everyone and seeing Russia from Alaska has nothing to do with being President. In addition, we are all equal. The upper class are not the only important people, that is a very selfish outlook on life. Go democracy!
only written for motos for you to live by such as, "Treat people the way you want to be treated". Its not written for you to read word for word, abstract vs concrete. Have an open mind!
Its called separation of church and state. You cannot make a law prohibing gays, bisexuals, etc from getting married because we all have a different belief system. Jesus was not a Christian. He was Judaism. It dismisses so many beliefs and other religions. It dismisses Judaism, Buddaism, agnostic, atheist, etc. Keep an open mind. Segregation is immoral! I am personally agnostic but if I were to choose a religion it would be Episcopalian, a loving God, not a judgmental one. The bible is only
@symmetricalastic Gays are a big problem - they already use too much lubrication, and if we allow gay marriage oil prices will shoot through the roof!
Sarah Palin is so ditzy and ignorant. I cannot stand Evangelical Christian beliefs. It is unconstitutional because the first amendment on our constition is FREEDOM of RELIGION, freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, etc. Just like I have the right to NOT own a gun, others have the right to and being gay from my point of view is something you are born with. It is GENETIC.
i seed evil in gay people! THE satan have to many ways to do sin gay is the #1 sin to all natural things look this gay face is ALL EVIL im sure fagoots goit to the darkness places burn in hell sickos!
surley the sanctity of marige depends on how faithfull a couple are to each other and their family, and how much love they have for each other, and not the genders of the couple
Ok, after speaking with many of my anti gay marriage friends and family, I have come to a conclusion that we are never going to fully persuade the other side. Many support virtual equality, but at the very heart of their views is a rock-solid belief that marriage only = men and women. They also fear societal change. As we obviously have no problem with this, and would see it as a sign of progress if gay couples were to gain legitimacy in public life, I think it is best we move on without them.
Reasoning does not work as they are fully self-righteous in their beliefs, so I think the only way to ever get them to see our point of view is if we exercise all of our muscle next year and force change upon them. This is how it has happened in the past every time--always against strong opposition, but eventually we win and show them how we were right all along.
*I'm not gay, by the way--just an outraged libertarian who believes in freedom for all* =)
*Yes, I realize that logically that would mean I would have to oppose all government intervention in marriage--and I do--but currently no religious organizations allows gay marriage, so fighting for this is the next best thing*
Meh. Call me extremist but I don't think anyone should settle for anything less than full marriage. If you're going to have civil unions and domestic partnerships and all that BS I think that is worse than "separate but equal", because unless hetero marriages were also split up into different categories to fit a stupid idea of traditional matrimony as well, gays do not even have virtual equality.
you have some twisted views. Traditional marriage in the U.S. is NOT what you are describing. It is exactly what you just said, "my sister in the middle east" NOT AMERICA
Yes, it has changed, and in changing those views, we diverged from a traditional marital union. That is exactly his point. You just don't want to accept it because it doesn't agree with your conditioning.
Oh, sweetie, you think that Christians didn't have arranged marriages? Are you familiar with courtly love? In Medieval times, marriages were arranged. Often times, a woman would be forced to marry the Lord, Duke, or Earl of the manor (this is the time of feudal estates). However, a knight would capture her true affection and they would love each other from afar and he would fight in her name. THAT'S TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE! We don't do that here. We've never had traditional arranged marriage
Typical liberals, trying to use the victimology game to push their agenda. "Oh look, let's try to use racism and sexism for everything!"
Liberals lack the mental capacity to do anything else you see, so they try to twist the public into feeling sorry for them. But underneathe they're simply people with no morals whatsoever who who stand on nothing but subjective morality.
Thank goodness a great deal of countries will never legalize gay marriage.
Excuse me but you clearly are out of your mind. Yes we changed marriage in general but NO ONE benefits from gay marriage other than the AIDS. It came from gays and any one thats insane WILL think that it came from a guy sexually attracted to a monkey. It clearly was not meant to be because the sheer male and female differences allow for marriage to be straight, not using plastic materials of course. SO it is physically impossible to be gay 200 years ago unless you do what is disgusting.
Do some research. AIDS did not start from Gay men. And it wasn't spread to humans from sexual contact with animals. And AIDS kills many more straight people than gay people.
So no one benefits from gay marriage, then it shouldn't bother anyone either.
Gay marriage may be recognized by some states but it is not recognized by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! THESAVIOR OF MANKIND! He Loves You! Repent and accept Him as your savior! Hedie for your sins and mine! He Loves you!
This was an excellent video. Hopefully people will watch it with an open mind and listen to what you are saying with an open heart.
We have had gay marriage here for several years now, and in the most recent polls on the subject 70% of us now support gay marriage.
Having gay people marry did not effect those of us who are not gay in the slightest. One day soon you will have the same rights in the US that our gay citizens now have.
I am living in California now, but I still believe that even if we're slowly winning gay marriage: (a) people who support us are still hesistant, (b) we still have an opposition.
Telling people to support gay marriage because "we're all equal", DOES make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage if gay marriage is recognized, and that's the issue at hand. Nobody wants to change marriage.
So let's realize and tell people that marriage is ALREADY changed, the spirit of gay marriage IS here, and we all benefit from that.
The thing we gays should remember is. WE ARE SLOWLY BUT SURELY WINNING. Theyl tell us we will rot in hell, but they preech from a book of no proof and endless contradictions. we are the intelligent ones and we will win. soon enuff
Actually our opposition does have a point: THEY WANT TO PROTECT MARRIAGE FROM CHANGE.
Blame the silly argment of "equality".
Telling people to support gay marriage because "we're all equal", DOES make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage if gay marriage is recognized, and that's the issue at hand. Nobody wants to change marriage.
So let's realize and tell people that marriage is ALREADY changed, the spirit of gay marriage IS here, and we all benefit from that.
This has nothing to do with equality because equality would imply that gay marriage is equal to heterosexual marriage, which it isn't.
I reject gay marriage more for its social implications than the act itself. A society that considers it acceptable to undermine it's most fundamental unit is a society doomed for destruction. I'd be happy to debate with you properly, I'll even show you some social studies on gay marriage that others would hide from you.
The kind of support we would get with THIS argument will be unprecendented. Not only will we get support, we will get strong support and NO opposition,
Telling people to "support gay marriage because we're all equal" does make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage, and that's the big problem. So we must tell people that marriage is ALREADY redefined, gay marriage is already here, and we all benefit from it.
What caused the fall of Rome was the "barbarian" germanic tribes. They kept attacking on all fronts until Rome finally fell. Homosexuality was before Roman times. Clearly it was discussed in the Bible (Duh!) . And it was the norm in ancient Greece to have a male consort. In the beginning of the Iliad, Achilles is mourning the death of one of his fellow warriors. It is common knowledge that he was mourning the loss of his lover! But the Greeks continued to rule after that. Hmmm.
and also fool gays are winning In America to, once again slowly and yes bans are hard to over turn, but you know they will be over turned. maybe soon maybe later maybe 200 years. but eventually they will,
1) Marriage is not a fundamental unit. You don't need marriage to make a family. Hell....the way science is, you don't even need a man and woman to make a family any more. My parents never married, and they still had a family.
2) All society's end in time ANYWAYS so your point is moot.
Have you seen the New York polls recently? It's shows a 50/50 split on those who oppose it and support it.
@savior, marriage legally binds society's most fundamental unit, all you have to do is correlate low marriage rates in northern europe to how strong families are then compare it to the low rates in asia (e.g. Japan) and you find that Japan's far better off with it. Japan also has the lowest crime rates; the most crimes come from boys bought up WITHOUT A FATHER, which you promote here.
the5y5tem. you might want to note that Japan is in the top 5 Atheist countries with over 80% not believing in your fairytale. also I note you cant reply to my previous points. fool
And it had the same low crime rates in its religious past. What's your point? You're making a strawman argument against me. It's political and social 'liberalism' I have a problem with, not atheism.
I'm sorry, but you're losing. It's much harder to reverse a ban than it is to ban a legal act. You liberals have nothing but subjective morality to stand on which is weak than a child's conscience. In ten years you'll wonder what happened, but by then, it'll be too late anyway.
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Morality is absolute if you know where it comes from. The bible doesn't promote slavery or rape anywhere, unless of course you're a liberal who can't read.
It doesn't. It also doesn't promote hate. "Love your neighbor" and "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." If you read your Bible in context, you'd realize that most of the references to homosexuality were in reference to the pederasty that was part of the predominant culture of the time. Hebrews banned it to distinguish themselves from that culture, be it Babylonian, Assyrian or Greek.
To love someone is to point out their sins. I want people to do the same to me. To simply allow others to sin without pointing this out to them is hardly loving them.
Yes, homosexuality was far more prevalent in the ancient world, but the lifestyle of homosexuality, not the orientation, is still condemned along with other sexuality immorality.
Yes, so any straight couples, if you've ever used birth control, if you've ever had anal sex, if you've ever engaged in oral sex, if you've ever done mutual masturbation, if the woman was ever on top, or you did it "doggy-style", regardless if you're married or not, You are going to burn in Hell with us Faggots.
No, you're taking things out of their respective context. Shellfish is mentioned for health-related reasons (appropriate for the Israelite community at that time), divorce isn't illegal, it's merely discouraged. Husbands are told to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, nothing wrong with that as far as I can see.
Something called an abomination sounds like a sin to me. And really, the bible is just stories... Who knows if all those things really even happened? Maybe some of things can be proven, but not everything. Regardless of what it says, I believe that God loves all of his children, no matter what. I certainly don't think he nor anyone should frown upon a person loving another. And even IF the Bible supposedly says that homosexuality is a sin, that is no grounds for mistreating homosexuals.
All these laws you're referring to were laws of Jewish kings and are utterly outdated. Jesus replaced these rules with love, acceptance, and forgiveness. Eat it.
The Bible presents some archaic views about rape, but the punishment in the Bible for rape is death by hanging or stoning. Too bad we don't still follow that. The Bible gives guidelines on how to fairly treat your slaves (which at that time were more like servants) if you must have them. Most Christians know that the Bible was written by an ancient people with less understanding of the world than we have. I am a Christian and I support gay marriage. Please don't lie about my faith.
shame on u. u should've never been to school, college, had a career, or any say in the matter. ur parents should've sold u when u were 18 to a man and u should've bred 8 babies with him, regardlkess of all.
THAT IS A TRADITIONNAL MARRIAGE, ignorant christian... ignorant=christian.
shame on u. u should've never been to school, college, had a career, or any say in the matter. ur parents should've sold u when u were 18 to a man and u should've bred 8 babies with him, regardlkess of all.
THAT IS A TRADITIONNAL MARRIAGE, ignorant christian... ignorant=christian.
Barack Obama, according to the white house website, "He supports full civil unions and federal rights for LGBT couples and opposes a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage."
maybe palin wanted to be gfdab\gbvkld
SexyBuilder1888 4 months ago
You seem like a very intelligent person. I do not understand gay marriage. I am sorry but I do not get it. I also will not stand here and deny a person the right to their freedom. (I do not mean to be offensive, If I am being so.) Marriage Is for two people who love each other. I have been with my wife for 13 years. I am so happy to share my life with her. Everyone should be able to feel the way I do about someone they love. Who are we to judge something that we do not understand?
Pimpsonite 5 months ago
The truth of the language of sexuality is also missing in sexual relationships
between people of the same gender. Homosexual acts themselves, not the person with a homosexual orientation, are objectively & gravely immoral because there is no communion of body and spirit which facilitates openness to the procreation of new life. Homosexuality undermines the truth, fullness & wholeness of sexual communion. The Theology of the Body
teton99 7 months ago
I love your viewpoint!
wickedfan5172 8 months ago
Wow very well said!!
Ces674 9 months ago
can i marry a Child?
Man Boy Love.
HanKSN101 9 months ago
Great message :)
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
great point
babybashmail 1 year ago
She bashes everyone and seeing Russia from Alaska has nothing to do with being President. In addition, we are all equal. The upper class are not the only important people, that is a very selfish outlook on life. Go democracy!
symmetricalastic 2 years ago
The bible was written in the 1800s by man! The bible says a lot of things that are ridiculous! Dont eat selfish, it condones slavery.
symmetricalastic 2 years ago
only written for motos for you to live by such as, "Treat people the way you want to be treated". Its not written for you to read word for word, abstract vs concrete. Have an open mind!
symmetricalastic 2 years ago
Its called separation of church and state. You cannot make a law prohibing gays, bisexuals, etc from getting married because we all have a different belief system. Jesus was not a Christian. He was Judaism. It dismisses so many beliefs and other religions. It dismisses Judaism, Buddaism, agnostic, atheist, etc. Keep an open mind. Segregation is immoral! I am personally agnostic but if I were to choose a religion it would be Episcopalian, a loving God, not a judgmental one. The bible is only
symmetricalastic 2 years ago
@symmetricalastic Gays are a big problem - they already use too much lubrication, and if we allow gay marriage oil prices will shoot through the roof!
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Oh bullshit.
symmetricalastic 1 year ago
Sarah Palin is so ditzy and ignorant. I cannot stand Evangelical Christian beliefs. It is unconstitutional because the first amendment on our constition is FREEDOM of RELIGION, freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, etc. Just like I have the right to NOT own a gun, others have the right to and being gay from my point of view is something you are born with. It is GENETIC.
symmetricalastic 2 years ago
i seed evil in gay people! THE satan have to many ways to do sin gay is the #1 sin to all natural things look this gay face is ALL EVIL im sure fagoots goit to the darkness places burn in hell sickos!
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OYAROIDNI1 2 years ago
surley the sanctity of marige depends on how faithfull a couple are to each other and their family, and how much love they have for each other, and not the genders of the couple
kellogscornsnake 2 years ago
Canada has it legal nation wide. Peopple other places need to get over it. Its not your life, so shut the fuck up.
MentalVlogger 2 years ago
Afghanistan just passed legislation saying that Husbands may legally starve their wives if they refuse to have sex with them.
Yes, let's restore traditional marriage!
flyguy380 2 years ago
Ok, after speaking with many of my anti gay marriage friends and family, I have come to a conclusion that we are never going to fully persuade the other side. Many support virtual equality, but at the very heart of their views is a rock-solid belief that marriage only = men and women. They also fear societal change. As we obviously have no problem with this, and would see it as a sign of progress if gay couples were to gain legitimacy in public life, I think it is best we move on without them.
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Reasoning does not work as they are fully self-righteous in their beliefs, so I think the only way to ever get them to see our point of view is if we exercise all of our muscle next year and force change upon them. This is how it has happened in the past every time--always against strong opposition, but eventually we win and show them how we were right all along.
shDwfthSUN 2 years ago
*I'm not gay, by the way--just an outraged libertarian who believes in freedom for all* =)
*Yes, I realize that logically that would mean I would have to oppose all government intervention in marriage--and I do--but currently no religious organizations allows gay marriage, so fighting for this is the next best thing*
shDwfthSUN 2 years ago
Actually, several churches perform and/or bless same-sex unions :) and that number is growing.
flyguy380 2 years ago
Meh. Call me extremist but I don't think anyone should settle for anything less than full marriage. If you're going to have civil unions and domestic partnerships and all that BS I think that is worse than "separate but equal", because unless hetero marriages were also split up into different categories to fit a stupid idea of traditional matrimony as well, gays do not even have virtual equality.
shDwfthSUN 2 years ago
Great Job on this vid. :)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but traditional marriages are supposed to be between virgins, people of the same relgion, race, right?
katween093 2 years ago 3
yes yes yes...
i am so excited this argument is starting to circulate between people..
this is the only way we're going to win gay marriage.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
Yupp. :]
I'm glad I see our supporters on YouTube.
:DDD
katween093 2 years ago
Some of the comments here are pretty outlandish. =s
tequillasunrise8 2 years ago 2
DO U HAVE A MOTHER?
DO U HAVE A SISTER?
DO U HAVE A WIFE?
DO U HAVE A GIRL FRIEND?
..... IF THEY'RE NOT OPPRESSED IN HOMES, WITHOUT A VOICE, A DIGNITY OR ANY SAY IN MATTER...
IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE REDEFINED MARRIAGE FROM TRADITION... AND THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF GAY MARRIAGE: LOVEONLYLOVE.
comment on that
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
you have some twisted views. Traditional marriage in the U.S. is NOT what you are describing. It is exactly what you just said, "my sister in the middle east" NOT AMERICA
cherob1984 2 years ago
U mean to say...
girls went to school traditionnally in the us?
women used to go to work?
women had decisions?
women were not OBJECTS?
sweetie, the US CREATED FEMENISM, and you have yet to see THE WORST ONE!
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
yes at one time it was like that, but that was changed. And yes i do have yet to see the worst one, OBAMA, is going to cause it all
cherob1984 2 years ago
ok. so u admit it!
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
Yes, it has changed, and in changing those views, we diverged from a traditional marital union. That is exactly his point. You just don't want to accept it because it doesn't agree with your conditioning.
Hendrix1326 2 years ago 3
Hendrix1326, you are GOOD.
thank you.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
Oh, sweetie, you think that Christians didn't have arranged marriages? Are you familiar with courtly love? In Medieval times, marriages were arranged. Often times, a woman would be forced to marry the Lord, Duke, or Earl of the manor (this is the time of feudal estates). However, a knight would capture her true affection and they would love each other from afar and he would fight in her name. THAT'S TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE! We don't do that here. We've never had traditional arranged marriage
meredithscott76 2 years ago
Typical liberals, trying to use the victimology game to push their agenda. "Oh look, let's try to use racism and sexism for everything!"
Liberals lack the mental capacity to do anything else you see, so they try to twist the public into feeling sorry for them. But underneathe they're simply people with no morals whatsoever who who stand on nothing but subjective morality.
Thank goodness a great deal of countries will never legalize gay marriage.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Thank goodness a great deal of countries will never legalize gay marriage.
Go live there then, we won't miss you.
Savior20061 2 years ago
what? lol
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
Excuse me but you clearly are out of your mind. Yes we changed marriage in general but NO ONE benefits from gay marriage other than the AIDS. It came from gays and any one thats insane WILL think that it came from a guy sexually attracted to a monkey. It clearly was not meant to be because the sheer male and female differences allow for marriage to be straight, not using plastic materials of course. SO it is physically impossible to be gay 200 years ago unless you do what is disgusting.
mshsz 2 years ago
...Huh?
samOFblorx 2 years ago
Do some research. AIDS did not start from Gay men. And it wasn't spread to humans from sexual contact with animals. And AIDS kills many more straight people than gay people.
So no one benefits from gay marriage, then it shouldn't bother anyone either.
flyguy380 2 years ago
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DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
Savior20061 thank science your religion is on its deathbed. "we wont miss it" lol
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
i'm lost. whats his religion? is he a christian? i gues loll
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
My religion? I'm agnostic.
Savior20061 2 years ago 2
dude, all your videos are AMAZING. We will share and fight your message
queerlovetv 2 years ago
Gay marriage may be recognized by some states but it is not recognized by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! THESAVIOR OF MANKIND! He Loves You! Repent and accept Him as your savior! Hedie for your sins and mine! He Loves you!
SoldierofChrist12345 2 years ago
VERY smart guy! i love it!! this is what america is about...free thinking...free being...humans in the pursuit of happiness!!!
rock on my brother...we will spread the word!
ramblinman312 2 years ago
This is an excellent video. Thank you.
blickblocks 2 years ago
I LOVE YOU
krikrilala 2 years ago
Let's continue to let men like:
Ted Haggard
Larry Craig
Mark Foley
Pedophile Priest
and all closet gay republicans
define what marriage is. They obviously have the utmost respect for marriage, morals, and are downright swell guys!
Gotta love the stupidity of the right wing and their so called morals.
doncorleon818 2 years ago
WOW. Every time i see i love it more
gagirlaa 2 years ago
This was an excellent video. Hopefully people will watch it with an open mind and listen to what you are saying with an open heart.
We have had gay marriage here for several years now, and in the most recent polls on the subject 70% of us now support gay marriage.
Having gay people marry did not effect those of us who are not gay in the slightest. One day soon you will have the same rights in the US that our gay citizens now have.
lisauben 2 years ago 2
I am living in California now, but I still believe that even if we're slowly winning gay marriage: (a) people who support us are still hesistant, (b) we still have an opposition.
And it's undertandable.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
Telling people to support gay marriage because "we're all equal", DOES make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage if gay marriage is recognized, and that's the issue at hand. Nobody wants to change marriage.
So let's realize and tell people that marriage is ALREADY changed, the spirit of gay marriage IS here, and we all benefit from that.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
The thing we gays should remember is. WE ARE SLOWLY BUT SURELY WINNING. Theyl tell us we will rot in hell, but they preech from a book of no proof and endless contradictions. we are the intelligent ones and we will win. soon enuff
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago 2
Actually our opposition does have a point: THEY WANT TO PROTECT MARRIAGE FROM CHANGE.
Blame the silly argment of "equality".
Telling people to support gay marriage because "we're all equal", DOES make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage if gay marriage is recognized, and that's the issue at hand. Nobody wants to change marriage.
So let's realize and tell people that marriage is ALREADY changed, the spirit of gay marriage IS here, and we all benefit from that.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with equality because equality would imply that gay marriage is equal to heterosexual marriage, which it isn't.
I reject gay marriage more for its social implications than the act itself. A society that considers it acceptable to undermine it's most fundamental unit is a society doomed for destruction. I'd be happy to debate with you properly, I'll even show you some social studies on gay marriage that others would hide from you.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
the5y5tem fool, I aint loosing nothing. I aint in America, In my country im winning. Gays can marry. so fuck you and fuck your iron age beliefs.
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
The kind of support we would get with THIS argument will be unprecendented. Not only will we get support, we will get strong support and NO opposition,
Telling people to "support gay marriage because we're all equal" does make it seem like there's going to be a new definition for marriage, and that's the big problem. So we must tell people that marriage is ALREADY redefined, gay marriage is already here, and we all benefit from it.
THIS IS HOW WE WILL WIN
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
actually homosexuality was around far before the iron age, Rome fell apart socially because of how spread homosexuality was.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
the5y5tem, it did not break Rome. how could homosexuality possibly do that? you need to go back to history class
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
it bought up social instability Rome, look it up.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Better yet, provide a link. Because you are a liar.
Savior20061 2 years ago
Don't be ridiculous! If you've even read a history book you'd see that civilization fall primarily because of wars, civil wars, and airbone-diseases.
Savior20061 2 years ago 2
exactly.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
What caused the fall of Rome was the "barbarian" germanic tribes. They kept attacking on all fronts until Rome finally fell. Homosexuality was before Roman times. Clearly it was discussed in the Bible (Duh!) . And it was the norm in ancient Greece to have a male consort. In the beginning of the Iliad, Achilles is mourning the death of one of his fellow warriors. It is common knowledge that he was mourning the loss of his lover! But the Greeks continued to rule after that. Hmmm.
meredithscott76 2 years ago
and also fool gays are winning In America to, once again slowly and yes bans are hard to over turn, but you know they will be over turned. maybe soon maybe later maybe 200 years. but eventually they will,
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
1) Marriage is not a fundamental unit. You don't need marriage to make a family. Hell....the way science is, you don't even need a man and woman to make a family any more. My parents never married, and they still had a family.
2) All society's end in time ANYWAYS so your point is moot.
Savior20061 2 years ago
Have you seen the New York polls recently? It's shows a 50/50 split on those who oppose it and support it.
@savior, marriage legally binds society's most fundamental unit, all you have to do is correlate low marriage rates in northern europe to how strong families are then compare it to the low rates in asia (e.g. Japan) and you find that Japan's far better off with it. Japan also has the lowest crime rates; the most crimes come from boys bought up WITHOUT A FATHER, which you promote here.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
the5y5tem. you might want to note that Japan is in the top 5 Atheist countries with over 80% not believing in your fairytale. also I note you cant reply to my previous points. fool
DanielThomasVideos 2 years ago
And it had the same low crime rates in its religious past. What's your point? You're making a strawman argument against me. It's political and social 'liberalism' I have a problem with, not atheism.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
did u see the video?
probably not...
u would be kind to admit it like others did
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but you're losing. It's much harder to reverse a ban than it is to ban a legal act. You liberals have nothing but subjective morality to stand on which is weak than a child's conscience. In ten years you'll wonder what happened, but by then, it'll be too late anyway.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
All morality is subjective. Liberals go on what's fair. Conservatives listen to a 2000 year old book that promotes rape and slavery.
Savior20061 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Morality is absolute if you know where it comes from. The bible doesn't promote slavery or rape anywhere, unless of course you're a liberal who can't read.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
It doesn't. It also doesn't promote hate. "Love your neighbor" and "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." If you read your Bible in context, you'd realize that most of the references to homosexuality were in reference to the pederasty that was part of the predominant culture of the time. Hebrews banned it to distinguish themselves from that culture, be it Babylonian, Assyrian or Greek.
meredithscott76 2 years ago 2
Excellent defenses Mered, you have my respect. As an agnostic, you have my respect.
Savior20061 2 years ago
To love someone is to point out their sins. I want people to do the same to me. To simply allow others to sin without pointing this out to them is hardly loving them.
Yes, homosexuality was far more prevalent in the ancient world, but the lifestyle of homosexuality, not the orientation, is still condemned along with other sexuality immorality.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
"sexuality immorality"
Yes, so any straight couples, if you've ever used birth control, if you've ever had anal sex, if you've ever engaged in oral sex, if you've ever done mutual masturbation, if the woman was ever on top, or you did it "doggy-style", regardless if you're married or not, You are going to burn in Hell with us Faggots.
flyguy380 2 years ago
It doesn't actually say anything about sexual immorality in respect to heterosexuals doing those things actually.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
does it say specifically that men can't have anal sex with other men?
flyguy380 2 years ago
It states that men having sex with men - in any way - is immoral.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Yeah, yeah, so is divorce, and shellfish. and like this guy says, we should be treating wives how the bible says we should.
flyguy380 2 years ago
No, you're taking things out of their respective context. Shellfish is mentioned for health-related reasons (appropriate for the Israelite community at that time), divorce isn't illegal, it's merely discouraged. Husbands are told to love their wives as Christ loved the Church, nothing wrong with that as far as I can see.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Something called an abomination sounds like a sin to me. And really, the bible is just stories... Who knows if all those things really even happened? Maybe some of things can be proven, but not everything. Regardless of what it says, I believe that God loves all of his children, no matter what. I certainly don't think he nor anyone should frown upon a person loving another. And even IF the Bible supposedly says that homosexuality is a sin, that is no grounds for mistreating homosexuals.
flyguy380 2 years ago
@the5y5tem
All these laws you're referring to were laws of Jewish kings and are utterly outdated. Jesus replaced these rules with love, acceptance, and forgiveness. Eat it.
ohmss069 2 years ago
The Bible presents some archaic views about rape, but the punishment in the Bible for rape is death by hanging or stoning. Too bad we don't still follow that. The Bible gives guidelines on how to fairly treat your slaves (which at that time were more like servants) if you must have them. Most Christians know that the Bible was written by an ancient people with less understanding of the world than we have. I am a Christian and I support gay marriage. Please don't lie about my faith.
meredithscott76 2 years ago
my president barack obama opposes gay marriage too thank God :)
lekesha00 2 years ago
shame on u. u should've never been to school, college, had a career, or any say in the matter. ur parents should've sold u when u were 18 to a man and u should've bred 8 babies with him, regardlkess of all.
THAT IS A TRADITIONNAL MARRIAGE, ignorant christian... ignorant=christian.
don't worry.
the truth stands.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
I WILL COPY AND PASTE WHAT THE AUTHOR WROTE:
shame on u. u should've never been to school, college, had a career, or any say in the matter. ur parents should've sold u when u were 18 to a man and u should've bred 8 babies with him, regardlkess of all.
THAT IS A TRADITIONNAL MARRIAGE, ignorant christian... ignorant=christian.
don't worry.
the truth stands.
00HMM 2 years ago
Barack Obama, according to the white house website, "He supports full civil unions and federal rights for LGBT couples and opposes a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage."
lisauben 2 years ago
as i state for the 100th time. my president barack obama is against gay marriage. why can;t you comprehand this data?
lekesha00 2 years ago 2
I comprehend you fine. He might say that he is against gay marriage, but he opposes a constitutional ban on same sex marriage.
Actually, I find your president to be somewhat hypocritical on this issue of late.
He promised to lift the so called "defense of marriage act" before he was elected, but the white house web site has changed recently.
We'll see where he stands eventually.
lisauben 2 years ago 2
Hey man!
I agree a 100% with you!
Marriage has never stopped evolving.
I think that if marriage would have never been changed from it's traditional ways, the number of murders would have gone higher.
Anyways, I love the video. It's going straight to my favorites! :)
PS
Im sorry about what happened to your sis :(
rockcrazyfan 2 years ago
you are awsome. thank you.
I actually just prepared a one-page leaflet (aka the solicitation stuff lol) that summarizes my whole point.
mark my words. We're going to win.
LoveOnlyLoveOrg 2 years ago
you've got a great spirit and a great idea, I didn't think about before.
:)
krikrilala 2 years ago 2
I'm really confident we could win gay marriage this way. and yes you're right, i didn't think about it either before
00HMM 2 years ago
you make a great point. You're awsome.
00HMM 2 years ago 2