They should have got Gerard Butler to show them even though that probably wouldn't happen he seems to have a good grasp of the spartan fighting style.
it's not battle position moron, it's phalanx position, there are athen hoplties, corinth hoplites, epiro hoplites, etc spartan hoplites is not the only one you trusting fool people you've seem, 300 and think you know about ancient Greece.
No es batalla posiciona imbécil, es posición de falange, hay hoplties de athen, hoplites de Corinto, hoplites de epiro, etc hoplites espartano no es el único que usted fiándose de personas de tonto que usted tiene parece, 300 y piensa que usted sabe de antigua Grecia.
Since it is an educational video, I am suprised that no one commented on the spear position. The spears were held above the shield. If the shields are interlocked correctly, your angles of attack are greatly limited holding it under the shield like shown. Still, it is an interesting idea for a project to get the students interested in ancient Greece.
It was only fairly recently that the overhand phalanx position became the accepted consensus- I'm guessing the guy doing this is a student of the old-style. Or as Yannos said, it could be a safety thing.
During the advance, the battle paeon was often Eleluh! eleluh! This was used to maintain step and rhythm. Overhand thrust was the only way to reach the vulnerable throat area, since the shield, greaves, etc, covered all else. The Corinthian helmet evolved cheek pieces to cover this. The Aroo!aroo!aroo! crap is modern US Army. I know, I was in it. Thrusting sideways in the crush is about the only way to break the enemy line. Linen armour is useless, my own is linen over leather. More practical...
Having made a correct bronze cuirass, bronze greaves, and a linothorax, linen armor is NOT useless if it is made right and with enough layers. It is difficult to penetrate. Even later gambesons were nothing more than layers of cloth.
I don't know. I have seen that issue debated abundantly on the Roman Army forums by reenactors. I made mine of 14 layers of linen and it is pretty tough. The medieval gambesons were up to 30 layers. As far as Greeks, there just isn't enough evidence. I have seen people make leather core covered by linen, leather, glued linen, and quilted linen thorax. The idea about whether it was plausible to raise that much is a strong argument against them being linen, but we just don't know for sure.
Here's a thought. Using linen would make it easier to later add bronze scales as the man could afford. Never thought of that before. Upgradability built in. The ancient Greek equivalent of Intel Inside...;)
So funny you should mention that. I am just starting to make bronze scales for my linothorax. If your intested in this stuff, go to the Roman Army Talk website and check out the Greek threads. I am hoping to have my lino scaled and finished in the next 2 weeks or so. Then it is on to a Chalcidian Helmet's high crest.
Real greek armor is not that heavy in comparison to other types. I have historically accurate sets of Greek, Roman, Viking, and Crusades Era armour and the Greek is the most comfortable and lightest of all.
I'm with Cboat; my Greek armor is more comfortable than the flak jackets n battle rattle we wore in the infantry. Chain mail hangs in such a way that the shouders feel crushed!
They should have got Gerard Butler to show them even though that probably wouldn't happen he seems to have a good grasp of the spartan fighting style.
SpinJ678 1 year ago
@ShowYourWorking about the enemies what of the persian army?
SpinJ678 1 year ago
Who is brave?
SPAR.. TA
scythe911 1 year ago
lol what morale =))
alynchrys 2 years ago
lol if they where in battle they would get slaughtered hahaha. funny vid though xD
Reuzekabouter 2 years ago
Spartans! What is your profession?! AHOO! AHOO! AHOO!
Kyuubic 2 years ago 6
@Kyuubic that spartan or army or marine call err what ever thay do
mariotttttttt 1 year ago
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4:38 I DONT WANNA DIE
smoke0imix0god 2 years ago
"Take one for the team Ben"
fourganger88 1 year ago
balalalalalalalalalalalalalalala!
crazycuntryboy2 2 years ago
normal phalanxes wouldent have gaps inbetween their ranks, they would just go overhead like he did
tecna64 2 years ago
wish we could do this instead of germany between world wars *yawns*
whowantsabighug 3 years ago
it's not battle position moron, it's phalanx position, there are athen hoplties, corinth hoplites, epiro hoplites, etc spartan hoplites is not the only one you trusting fool people you've seem, 300 and think you know about ancient Greece.
littlehistorian 3 years ago 2
No es batalla posiciona imbécil, es posición de falange, hay hoplties de athen, hoplites de Corinto, hoplites de epiro, etc hoplites espartano no es el único que usted fiándose de personas de tonto que usted tiene parece, 300 y piensa que usted sabe de antigua Grecia.
littlehistorian 3 years ago
aww hohoho fat hoplites! =)
littlehistorian 3 years ago
pathetic!
Ellinobyzantinos 3 years ago
Since it is an educational video, I am suprised that no one commented on the spear position. The spears were held above the shield. If the shields are interlocked correctly, your angles of attack are greatly limited holding it under the shield like shown. Still, it is an interesting idea for a project to get the students interested in ancient Greece.
cboat97 3 years ago
I think that actually was intended to avoid poking out eyes etc when they march into each others.
yannos1000 3 years ago
It was only fairly recently that the overhand phalanx position became the accepted consensus- I'm guessing the guy doing this is a student of the old-style. Or as Yannos said, it could be a safety thing.
fourganger88 3 years ago
During the advance, the battle paeon was often Eleluh! eleluh! This was used to maintain step and rhythm. Overhand thrust was the only way to reach the vulnerable throat area, since the shield, greaves, etc, covered all else. The Corinthian helmet evolved cheek pieces to cover this. The Aroo!aroo!aroo! crap is modern US Army. I know, I was in it. Thrusting sideways in the crush is about the only way to break the enemy line. Linen armour is useless, my own is linen over leather. More practical...
frequentfiler 4 years ago 2
Having made a correct bronze cuirass, bronze greaves, and a linothorax, linen armor is NOT useless if it is made right and with enough layers. It is difficult to penetrate. Even later gambesons were nothing more than layers of cloth.
cboat97 3 years ago
But how many layers? It would take alot I think, and Greece doesn't have enough arable soil to raise that much flax I don't believe. Whaddya think?
frequentfiler 3 years ago
I don't know. I have seen that issue debated abundantly on the Roman Army forums by reenactors. I made mine of 14 layers of linen and it is pretty tough. The medieval gambesons were up to 30 layers. As far as Greeks, there just isn't enough evidence. I have seen people make leather core covered by linen, leather, glued linen, and quilted linen thorax. The idea about whether it was plausible to raise that much is a strong argument against them being linen, but we just don't know for sure.
cboat97 3 years ago
Here's a thought. Using linen would make it easier to later add bronze scales as the man could afford. Never thought of that before. Upgradability built in. The ancient Greek equivalent of Intel Inside...;)
frequentfiler 3 years ago
So funny you should mention that. I am just starting to make bronze scales for my linothorax. If your intested in this stuff, go to the Roman Army Talk website and check out the Greek threads. I am hoping to have my lino scaled and finished in the next 2 weeks or so. Then it is on to a Chalcidian Helmet's high crest.
cboat97 3 years ago
isnt chalcidian an italian/samnite helmet?
whowantsabighug 3 years ago
i wish my history class was that cool
Tofu572 4 years ago 7
@Tofu572 Dang your right! ima gona show my teacher this video and hopefuly he will do that
SpartanOfAmerica1234 9 months ago
Real armor would have been so heavy that they would even be able to stand for a minute.
kostasmouratidis 4 years ago
Real greek armor is not that heavy in comparison to other types. I have historically accurate sets of Greek, Roman, Viking, and Crusades Era armour and the Greek is the most comfortable and lightest of all.
cboat97 3 years ago
I'm with Cboat; my Greek armor is more comfortable than the flak jackets n battle rattle we wore in the infantry. Chain mail hangs in such a way that the shouders feel crushed!
frequentfiler 3 years ago
That's why chainmail is often worn with a belt, which takes some of the weight off the shoulders. It helps to have stamina as well.
fourganger88 3 years ago
Ahh, yes, I can see that. Does make sense. thanks for the input. Makes this forum better...
frequentfiler 3 years ago
You guys should do a real reenactment, with like real armor and stuff. I guess that would be a unique thing.
rtwfreak 4 years ago
Well, if it means anything to you, there were a few shields that day made of metal...Mine was just plywood though....
SaikyoMog 4 years ago