People who are so fanatic about this sort of Capitalism are ironically (Absolutist Religious). Thay should go read, study, and think EVOLUTION. It they are born smart or not, ambitious or not, ugly or not, etc., which is actually in their view (DETERMINISTIC). Which in essence is GOD' wish. Can they explain this whole thing more rationally? Why shouldn't the born underprivileged help the ones that arn't? Why shouldn't the unintelligent worker live in dignity?
When you call yourself libertarian and sustain private ownership of the means of production, you're either deluded or a complete imbecile; freedom requires free labor, but renting yourself isn't being free since you essentially do not possess yourself in such a case: you are a slave sold in bits and chunks. Without democratic control of the economic institution and of its production, you are basically making yourself an advocate of extreme tyranny.
A self-proclaimed Libertarian who apparently knew nothing about human rights, freedom or even the liberalism which he praised, but didn't understand.
The actual argument for capitalism was that free men, because they pursue their well-being, would end yielding public benefits despite pursuing selfish ends. Well, the condition is for them to be free and renting yourself to private tyrants makes that impossible.
So unless the system altogether changes, the problems will remain.
Money is the expression of our social degradation,dehumanisation and a tool for the elite to control and exploite the working men and women for their private gain and greed. Money is the medium of exploitation and exclusion to perpetuate the servitude and submission of the working class. Capitalism USA or Chinese modality is the world market system of artificial scarcity and distortions for the abstract process of CAPITAL ACCUMULATION AND CONCENTEATION.
Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power. What we really need is economic democracy, where essentially democracy is extended into the workplace! The first place to start would be worker control over production!
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
@Bodhidharma1986 ..... twirp! thats not my religion, i was using theyre prophets name as an example! because Jesus, (really based on Horus=the Serapis Christus thing), preached an anti-corruption message! ......the big shots who say theyre Christians arent really so. thats why if the big J came back theyd shit themselves!
The "Class War" that Chomsky talks about in this audio is the enormous effort by the Business Community to undermine and destroy Labor Unions in this country, (The U.S.). It's been going on for a long time now. It peaked in the "Reagan Years." Managements goal has been to undermine the basic rights guaranteed by The 1935 Wagner Act or National Labor Relations Act. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War is illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize.
The fundamental principle that we need to grapple with is this , Humanity cannot be treated as batteries of energy so a few can enrich and empower themselves the consequence is a world of war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destruction and many other terrible ongoing challenges, or We share the earth for all generations to come in harmony and cooperation for our material and emotional needs, We need to understand our common source and our common destiny , our common humanity as one.
Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
Trump is a businessman. He understands the concept of economics and business. He very well could be our next president. Which would be great for this nation. He has already stated he would "talk" companies into returning to the states. It would come with regulation reform and protection in "right to work" states. Which will see the Democratic labor states suffer due to the unions. Meaning that Michigan, Illinois, and California would witness a mass exodus into right to work states!
company can afford to pay. If NOONE will work for them? Then the company has to say, "how can we attract quality workers to work at our company?" Then they will have to work to get workers. There is no one being FORCED to work for them. Do you understand this? Nod to the screen if this is sinking in.Look I hate to be so condescending, but you have to understand, I no longer can afford to tolerate this in America. We are about to see the collapse of the dollar. Tuition, medicine, medicare Part4
Within the first minute of this video I could tell Noam is clueless. I have no idea why anyone would listen to this schmuck. He attacks business? Are you f....n kidding me? That is such a moronic statement that I cannot even begin to laugh it off. We have prosperity due to risk taking and wealth creation. We have houses and boats, cars due to laboring for these businesses. If we were being FORCED into slave labor as he is implying? Then we wouldn't have those things. He is an idiot.
Have you ever worked as anything else than management?Have you ever read a history book about worker struggles?Do you know why today we work 7-8 hours(officially)instead of 14?Why today most people live 70 years instead of 35?Why children are not in the mines but in schools?Please educate yourself and disassociate slavery from a literal whip before spouting nonsense.Prosperity is due to workers struggles not corps.Who do you think creates the wealth?Arguments please,not trollin
@shirogr Yes as a matter of fact I have been on both sides. Have you? Do you know what incredible obstacles there are to open a business much less to keep it running? Do you know that over 80% of the businesses out there were started by someone risking their life savings to start it? Do you understand the insurmountably enormous costs to running a business? No? Then STFU. The only thing people have to do is simply NOT work a job that treats them unfair. A pretty simple concept even for morons.
Actually I have.And the 80% of businesses that you seem to refer to (reference or statistic out of your ass?) are small time ones that have to compete with the big corps which rip them a new one every day.Try to understand that Chomsky does not talk about the grocery shop in the corner but Lockheed,BP,Mosanto etc.And don't try putting words in my mouth while defending the overlords of this world.BTW, how much do you make and why do you feel oblidged to defend multi-billionares?
@shirogr The reason why people live 70 years is because of the medical industry seeking a profit for their investors and share holders. That drives incentives. People work 7 to 8 hour days not due to unions like you want to lie about. Companies cannot afford to pay them above equilibrium market wages for 14 hours. Auto workers making 70 an hour for a job that you can train someone to do in a week? Are you kidding me? No wonder Detroit is over, No if companies said fuck it and closed? Part2
Not the unions?History begs to differ.Again,try reading,start with "A people's history of the US" and listen to Fox less.
At least,do you acknowledge being a period when adults and children were working for 14 hours?Do you think they did it because they enjoyed it?Do you have any book to suggest to me that support your arguments?
Moreover,do you support that people should die because they can't afford already developed drugs?Exactly how much exactly do you value human life?
@shirogr If you want to discuss the coal mines in West Virginia as the basis of your pro union movement? Then you do not obviously understand a thing. No one in this country has to work 14 hours a day? Who do you know that would take such a job? They need a union to tell them that working 14 hours is a bad thing? Don't you think refusal to work for a company would be incentive enough for the company to figure out how to get workers? Why does it take a union? Are you seriously saying Part 1
Unions is just a fancy word to say that me and you and some other people from the same factory come together to organize and negotiate better salaries and conditions.And don't think that unions will never agree to a salary cut if the factory is in trouble.They have and will again.But they are sure not going to do it if the manager is getting a six-digit bonus and they are getting a pay cut.
@shirogr can debate truth. In regards to healthcare? Do not get me started. I was in France not 3 weeks ago and dealt with their "free" healthcare personally. It is a joke. Please do not even try to say that. That puts you in the loony bin and I'll end it here. No such thing as free. No such thing as quality in government based healthcare. PERIOD>
@shirogr Unions are NOT that. Do you understand the how the unions work? Who started the unions? It was the mob. Think about that for a bit and get back to me. I am currently a professional musician. We have a union but they do not speak for me. I speak for myself. I am required to be in the union. WTF??? FOR what??? There are players not even in my ballpark that are guaranteed the same price as me? And I pay the union for this? What reason? I will say it again. Unions are HORRIBLE
There is corruption inside certain unions,yes.But corruption is in everything so I can't accept that as an argument.From what I have read,the unions were not started by the mob but was latter infiltrated by them.Can you suggest me a book that shows the mob founding the unions?
If you have problems with your union,then maybe you should try to be elected in it and turn it around.Lower membership or make other changes if you want.If you feel that they are such a threat.
@shirogr Yes Hoffa. But the mob is NOT the issue. It is plain and simple common sense that is. Companies have a bottom line no different than an individual. Every one is interested in a buck. But there is a bottom line to the company just as there is with the worker. It can be a win win. There is no need for unions nor is there any need in unions being involved in politics for payoffs. It is against America. Just as corporatism is. GE? Is in cahoots with government. THAT is the problem. GOV
@shirogr that people are too stupid to say to themselves "Gee is working 14 hours a bad thing?" Is the company or government forcing them to take the job? Do you understand this? Can you dig down for one second and try to comprehend common sense? Even for a moment? Or are you so indoctrinated by the leftist media that you cannot understand the difference between choice and force? Please for ONE SECOND THINK FOR YOURSELF. Unions are COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Cannot a person make his or her Part 2
Please try to understand that people will do anything to put food on the table and will gladly work for 14 hours than DIE OF HUNGER.As for unions,everybody understood that 14hours was bad,but unless they did something all together,then nothing would improve.
e.g.If I don't want to work for 14 hours,the company will fire me and get some other wretched being.If 80% of the workers say the same(for enough time),then the company will have no choice than to reduce the work day.
@shirogr Your last post was absolutely correct. (e.g.If I don't want to work for 14 hours,the company will fire me and get some other wretched being.If 80% of the workers say the same(for enough time),then the company will have no choice than to reduce the work day.) The only problem is, if you have freedom. TRUE freedom in the markets there will be plenty of other private sector jobs to choose from. You do NOT have to work for the company with horrible conditions and pay. Then equilibrium Part1
Part 2:Also, if the manager comes to me and tells me that I have to do unpaid overtime otherwise I get fired and replaced by some other unemployed,how can I fight against this without unions and government?Just quit?Remember,the bills are running and I have to put food on the table.I can't afford to lose my job.And so the slippery slop starts...
@shirogr I get what you are saying I do. But, the worker only thinks of himself. The business thinks of himself, his stockholders, investors, employees (other than just you). The CEO's lose their jobs as well. Sure they may make more money than the worker. But he has a 4 million dollar home to take care of. It is all relative to each individuals existence. And in smaller single owned companies? They lose their life savings. Everything the ever had. You? You get to walk away.
@shirogr Obama had one line that to us in the "know" were screaming at the top of our lungs "YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IN THIS COUNTRY". Hint ( "Now is not the time for profit") That one line? It shows the entire reason we are in trouble. The Federal Reserve, and the government. Those 2 things? Those are your answers. Research that? And I promise you, you will figure it out. And start listening to Milton Friedman. He is 100% correct. Only ones against him. Those making profits thru government.
Actually friedman had a lot of corp support.And personally I find that although he may talk the talk, he certainly did not walk the walk.He collaborated with Pinochet(a known mass murder) and chile was economically destroyed,with the amount of people under the poverty line rising dramatically.Actually,every country that had free market polices experiences a sharp rise in the amount of poverty and that is the only true meter that matters in an economy.
@shirogr He had no idea what Pinochet was all about. After Pinochet the remnants of Friedmans original help to Chile in it's proper form was adopted. Greece also rejected Friedman. We see how that worked out. Pinochet did not implement the free market. Exactly the opposite. He used the government to control business. That is what happened. Nothing to do with Friedman. Look at interviews with Friedman during that era. That ends that right there.
@shirogr I have to run after this for the evening. But consider this. America was free. Freedom was new to all. Oligarchy (the current progressive movement) is nothing new. Freedom requires independent responsibility. It can be scary. But it is the only chance you have at making a better life for your family. Unless you are in cahoots with your government (this includes any nation) you have NO chance at a better life. You are born, a number is slapped on you, you work, you die, then NEXT. Part1
@shirogr That ushered in Roosevelt. Then you had big government. SS, Medicaid, Medicare. Costly ponzi schemes. Before that? You had freedom. You had someone who you knew by their first and last name. They were important to family, community, even those like Henry Ford to their countries. They were individuals pursuing dreams. Failing and succeeding. But doing it on their own terms, their own gifts, their own drive and determination. To reap the rewards of success and fall only to Part3
@SuperGuitarman69 Only the factory worker wasn't doing it on his own terms. Nor was the miner, the quarry worker, the rail worker. They were bound to the will of their employers like slaves to slave masters. Is that "freedom"? No. Freedom for you may be all about "property rights" and the ability to start a business. But the majority of people have no property except for their homes and/or personal belongings, and business is the venture of a small elite.
@smileyfacemug Perhaps with your infinite wisdom you can answer this question. Such a law must have existed that forced them to work in those deplorable conditions. What was the law that forced them to work for those evil companies?
@SuperGuitarman69 Why does it matter that there was no law that forced them into working in those conditions? The fact is is that capitalism makes for conditions that scupper the flourishing of the individual through making individuals automatons (and there are a host of other maladies also).
@SuperGuitarman69 Law or no law, it doesn't matter. We aren't forced to follow the law, but we are compelled to under threat of punishment. Similarly, we aren't forced to sacrifice our individuality and to go work and take orders from a boss, and to be treated like a machine. But we are compelled to under threat of starvation.
@smileyfacemug Ah spoken like a true Marxist. The fear of starvation? Hmmm, I wonder how those in West Virginia managed to survive for over a 100 without starvation before the coal companies came in. Now, using common sense (I understand you are a leftist and that is impossible). You are arguing FOR big business. That it in fact is great for society. Those West Virginia folks would have starved if the coal mining company had not have shown up. So u are for big business & Capitalism! GREAT :)
I'm assuming those West Virginia people survived through the means of agriculture. I think you've misunderstood my point by the way. Could you explain in more depth how you think that I'm arguing for big business?
@shirogr bro, you are acting as if the worker has NO value to a company. I can think of no better example of company thuggery than the West Virginia coal miner workers. The problem is, that the people could walk off their jobs at any point. Before the coal mines they were totally content bartering and working with one another in win win situation. The coal company came in and gave them a taste of a better life and they swallowed it up. They at anytime could stop. It isn't like that anymore.
@shirogr Another thing on Friedman. It isn't Friedman that came up with the ideas. They are based on facts. Simple facts. You have to understand something. Government does not exist for YOUR benefit. It exists for their benefit. They have control. Pelosi came in with a net worth of 2 million dollars. Why would she take a 175k a year job? Simple, she can control things and make money. She is worth a net 22 million now. Think about that. Friedman is against all of that. Freedom is his mantra
@shirogr This has been the way of the world forever. It doesn't work. It has a systematic way of working for very few. (those in governmental power). America was the antithesis of this. It was about freedom. Limited government only to protect the freedoms of the people and protect them. It was beautiful. It was hard but millions came here for a chance in life. The something horrible happened. You had the Federal Reserve established in 1913. Then you had the crash caused by the Federal.. Part2
@shirogr be responsible to pick themselves back up. In the process, the modern railroad, the car, factory inventions of efficiency, better tools for home use, electricity all of these things were made possible. All valued by individualism. Not government sanctioned. Only paid for by government when it promoted commerce among the people, not for their own self interests. Now after SS? We have a SS card a 042-12-4425 identifying us. Trying to regress us. Oligarchy in America? Y I am Libertarian.
@shirogr is reached. Then the company will have to compete for a quality work force. I am not saying that workers will then make 70 an hour. No in fact that will not happen. There is the law of marginal utility which determines the price of value of the worker. But he will not be working 14 hours either nor working for 2.50 a day. No one is going to die. That will NOT happen. Only when you do not have companies pursuing profit do you have poverty. It is basic economics. It is basic logic.
I understand what you are saying but because we are not saints,I fail to see why a company would want to give me a better wage.In terms of negotiating power,without a union or government to back me up,I am at a significant disadvantage.Remember I have eg.5k in the bank and bills to pay.The corp has loads of money to outlast me and a pool of unemployed to readily replace me if I turn the job down.
@shirogr The corp has loads of money to outlast you? Are you 100% sure of this? Look around. Companies are in horrible trouble. Detroit alone. The unions demanded certain concessions from the company. The company was under the barrel. They had to be productive every day to survive. So they conceded. Union bosses made out like bandits. Then? They came into hard times. And the company fell. All those workers? Unemployed.
Part 3:Most jobs do not necessitate a high quality work force.Anyone can do a decent job at them with minimal training.So the only factor to hire someone is if he/she is willing to work more for less.And of course you can always fire him for someone new when he burns out.The private sector does not provide enough work for everyone and so the unemployment pool keeps getting bigger and bigger.Remember that government efforts and WW2 pulled the world out of the great depression.
@shirogr Ah you hit the nail on the head. (The private sector does not provide enough work for everyone and so the unemployment pool keeps getting bigger and bigger.) Why does the private sector not provide enough jobs? Think about that for a moment. If you can come to the answer on your own? You have it licked and you will understand the basis of macro economics. The private sector have the capacity to not only provide a job for EVERYONE, but to be unable to reach marginal utility.
The matter is not only to offer jobs, back what we call "good jobs".Jobs with lower working hours (due to technological innovations),better working conditions,benefits and salaries.I can't see the private sector,ever seeking to maximize shareholder profit to have any interest in offering these without external pressure.
@shirogr own decision on for whom and what price and conditions they will work? Or do they need a mob boss ran union to negotiate for them, overpricing the value of their labor? I guarantee that a company will provide their employees each according to their demands individually based on their value. If a company can easily replace you? You are NOT worth 70 an hour. In the coal mines the work is dangerous and VERY deadly. Do they deserve more money? You bet! But that is up to what the Part 3
@shirogr I mean medical care is expensive due to government, NOT the markets. I have a degree in economics. I know facts! What we have here pertaining to you is a distortion of facts. A class system that was developed by leftists to utterly destroy this country and the constitution. It DOES NOT EXIST. Government is the reason everything is expensive in healthcare. They meddled in the market and eliminated competition which drove up prices. Same in education. Look, this is not opinion. IT IS FACT
A:Please point me to these facts you possess and I will gradly admit my mistake.
B:Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as a worker, middle and upper class?
C:In every other country that I have lived in,there was a public,government ran health system running along the private sector.Citizens were prefering the public one and only went to private if they were rich.Prime example is the UK.Hey,even Greece had a better health system than the US until a couple of years ago
@shirogr They did not. I point to facts that are present in every system that exists to prove it. I have a degree in this. I have had to study this. This is facts NOT opinions there is a difference. In economics you have truth, and you have those who are paid in economics ie.. a Krugman that is paid to distort the truth. Occasionally you have one that is within integrity. Milton Friedman is a prime example. This is why no one could debate the man. He had truth on his side. NO ONE would Part 1
@shirogr then who would pay to keep them alive? Does common sense creep into your skull at all? Would we just continue to print money and give it to them? As we have been? That is the only thing that would do it. At least til hyper inflation hit. Then it would be anarchy. No, occasionally I come across a dipshit or two on here. You take the cake. A non thinker. Not unusual, just sad you vote. That is what really sucks.
A:When and where exactly did I say that you should print and just give it to people?
B:Nobody gives money to regular people.At most they lend it at interest.Read a book about the economic crisis and what caused it.I suggest "The Big Short".It will suprise you.
C:As I said before, where are your arguments?
D:Are you are republican sir?Because that would actually explain a lot.Especially the name calling and rudeness :)
@shirogr Let me respond to the previous post now about rudeness. I am NOT a Republican. I am for SURE NOT A SCUM OF THE EARTH DEMOCRAT. And he is barking up the wrong tree with lockheed martin and Monsanto. And the scum GE. The problem is NOT these companies. It is the government meddling in the market and getting payoffs to keep competition away from them. Government is the problem do you NOT see this? LESS LESS LESS government more freedom will solve all these problems. The problem is Part 1
@SuperGuitarman69 Chomsky explains elsewhere that in slave societies, conditions were often better than before slavery was abolished. Is this a justification for slavery; material wealth and gain? Obviously it is not.
@smileyfacemug But you argued that they would starve? So are you saying death is a more favorable outcome than poor working conditions? Once again (as the leftist/Marxist does) you post a Red Herring. You are comparing freed slaves to owned slaves, which takes the heat off your own original argument being exposed as facts are presented.
@SuperGuitarman69 Are you suggesting that production wouldn't exist without capitalism? Because the physical process of extracting coal from the ground or planting food in it doesn't require the introduction of some phantom "investment". My argument was that people are compelled in a capitalist society to give up years of their lives to serve a master in order to survive. Where does that leave your precious individuality? Or is "individuality" for you really all about financial clout?
@smileyfacemug You just destroyed your own argument. Just read your post. If you believe financial clout doesn't mean anything then why do you hate the rich? I'll answer that for you. You have been programmed. To someone with virtue, a rich person is to be admired. To you? Hated. Why? Because you think they stole their wealth. Why? Because you are a programmed drone!
@SuperGuitarman69 I didn't say I hated the rich. The system, yes. You're resorting to straw man arguments. I haven't been "programmed"; I think for myself, and I am for the most part self-educated on this subject. If you want to have a real discussion, fine. But if you'd rather fumble about aimlessly and make crass comments and straw man arguments, goodbye.
@smileyfacemug The system of free markets do not exist in America. FDR Destroyed it. That is why economists (ones who are not paid to choose sides) consider him in the top 3 presidents of all time. Government regulations and taxes were designed to chase companies out of the country to create monopolies for those who are favorable to politicians. We need 80% less regulation. We need NO regulation for workers. The only law we need is cartel price fixing among the companies to protect the consumer.
@SuperGuitarman69 Nonsense. What you're advocating will throw the US back into the 19th century. It was a lack of regulation that led to the crisis of '08. Even Greenspan, who opposed regulation, admitted that free market ideology was false.
@smileyfacemug The reason for the crash in 1908 was due to JP Morgan creating a panic by saying the Bank of New York was insolvent (which it was NOT)! This ushered in the Federal Reserve that was written on Jeckyl Island and passed over the Chritmas holidays in secret from the American People in 1913. It was NOT the market place. I had to do my dissertation on this in college. You are severely misinformed. This proves propaganda works. Makes me sick! I'm not surprised just wasnt you to "get" it
@smileyfacemug And once again? Like a broken record, WHAT free market? We have companies leaving America in the droves because of government regulation and taxes. Once again A FACT! Cheaper labor? YES! But they would stay if they were not in the position of competing for labor against unions who are getting 30 to 70 an hour for pushing buttons. If market equilibrium for labor (FREE MARKET) would be allowed to reached. Our unemployment would be zero. Regulation is why CHINA has our jobs!
@smileyfacemug We have a serious problem in this country. Our media lies and lies and lies. Public government controlled schools pump lies and non sense into our youth to keep their over proved gravy train rolling. We end up with those such as yourself that actually loses their ability to use logic and facts to come to truthful assessments. Smart people indoctrinated into giving up their common sense and freedom and actually arguing FOR the ones taking it!
@smileyfacemug Then that explains it completely. I NEVER question someone from another country. They do not have freedom. Indoctrination has been around for centuries, not decades. I seen it not but one month ago in France. McDonalds was packed with the french at all hours of the fau and night. Guess capitalism tastes good in more ways than one. Why are you even commenting to an American? You know nothing about our country!
@SuperGuitarman69 Um, why shouldn't I comment to an America? We haven't even been discussing America, but capitalism. And yes I do know things about your country, I mean, it is pretty much the cultural center of the world. We don't have freedom? If by freedom you mean "free markets" and "individual rights" we have plenty of that propaganda bullshit.
@smileyfacemug Oh my God. Wow, you truly are lost. No wonder the rest of the world is messed up. I was completely right on my assessment of the rest of the countries of the world. You have your individual rights and freedom taken from you and then you argue and benefit of those were taking it from you! Truly sick! Thank god I was born here!
@SuperGuitarman69 Right, but my point was that the "freedom" and "individualism" you have over there is present over here. I don't actually consider this a free or an individualist society, hence the quotation marks. I don't mean this as an insult, but your level of comprehension is either incredibly low or you're being deliberately deceptive. Either way, I see no benefit in continuing this discussion, for me or for you.
@smileyfacemug No, we shouldn't continue this discussion. I have completely wasted my time with you. You are blogging on youtube, a website that was designed in America. Your computer that you have been using was dreamed of, then built, and distributed to the rest of the world by an Americans ingenuity. An individual that seeked a profit for his efforts. And rightfully so he obtained enormous wealth for his genious. For the internet was created because of the ingenuity of the computer PART 1
@SuperGuitarman69 I'm getting the impression that you think I'm anti-American. This can't be because I'm an anti-capitalist, given that modern industrial capitalism began in my own country (UK) and exists everywhere. But no, I have nothing against any American I've met, and I look forward to going there one day. But where are all these assumptions coming from? Are you always this schizophrenic?
@smileyfacemug which is the very thing you are reading this on right now. I really have no quams with any other country. To each their own right? But, for you to question capitalism? The very source that is giving you speech that us Americans enjoy? To enable you to sit at a computer and give me your opinions free of persecution (at least for the time being)? Don't you want to praise the nature of capitalism? The fact that zan individual can pursue his or her talents and visions.. PART 2
@SuperGuitarman69 Capitalism isn't the source of speech. That's more to do with vocal cords. It doesn't necessitate for the political right of free speech, either (look at China). And yes, my computer was made by human ingenuity; but then human ingenuity isn't a consequence of capitalism. Human ingenuity isn't dependent on any economic system.
@smileyfacemug I absolutely love schooling you. Let me ask you this. Take 2 inventors. One lives in a socialist country, one lives in a capitalist free market country. In the socialist country the inventor will be taxed a progressive tax, the more he will earn off of his invention, the higher his tax rate will be. In the capitalist country his tax rate will remain constant. Which inventor has more incentive to create his invention? See, this its called logic. Try it on! China is NOT capitalist!
@smileyfacemug Hong Kong is a capitalist. Low regulation and a Milton Friedman esque system. Low unemployment and LOTS of wealth their! China only has interest in Their businesses, which the government controls, it its called state capitalism. That is NOT capitalism with the state in bed with businesses. Also, you keep avoiding answering what country you are from. I do not blame you. I am proud of America. I want to see it return to its former glory. Oligarchy is NOT new. Freedom is!
@SuperGuitarman69 Let me put this to you like a "true Marxist". Human beings are naturally creative, social and communal animals who thrive when they are able to participate and to have a voice in society, to be able to have control over the work they perform. Capitalism and the wage system stunts individuality, unless, of course, you are a member of the elite.
@smileyfacemug Really? You are actually saying that Marxism creates individuality? That the worker is no different than the worker next to him? That the owner of the business was born with a silver soon in his mouth and was pre destined to be a leader? Wow, I see now. Gattaca! I see no greater argument for complete freedom. FYI, Marx has been proven to be wrong. And a moron!
@SuperGuitarman69 No. Marxism is above all else an analysis of the world; of capitalism, of history, of human nature. I'm not saying that it "creates" anything. The Marxist ANALYSIS has NOT been proven to be wrong; only the Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist experiments of the 20th century - those movements that accepted the Marxist analysis - have failed. (Of course there are aspects of the Marxist analysis that HAVE been proven wrong, but overall I think it is a sound analysis).
@smileyfacemug People care about people. People such as themselves, in the ones that are closest to them such as family. Forcing someone into providing for another that they do not care about is against human nature. But, through each 1 individual trying to take care of themselves and their families it is a win win scenario for all! That is the true nature of capitalism my friend. And that is why americans live a much nicer lifestyle, and have a higher standard of living!
there is so much wrong with nearly all comments here.
all i can say is, please read both sides. never get info on capitalism, by people against it.
if anyone here want a good introduction into economics, please read:
'economics in one lesson'. see the amazon reviews. We don't actually have capitalism now. and all it refers to is people trading goods and services freely. if it actually does harm 3rd party, coerce or involve state-corporate favortism, it is not capitalism
I think most would argue that the current system (whatever you may call it) represents the inevitable result of capitalism as the structural basis for an economic system: exploitation of the poor, accumulation of capital in the hands of a few, gross inequality, a state that does the bidding of the capitalists (see: investment theory of government), and a large, deep social and environmental debt that future generations will have to pay off.
@jonblaze32 well i believe this is the result of corporatism. Free-market capitalism is vastly different. people point to the fact we hold capital and spend money, so it is capitalist. but even this is wrong. spend pieces of paper, that are attached to nothing (they are supposed to be claims on actual gold, which is unforgeable). and our capital, is subject to the mercy of the state. weakly protected by democracy, which is more the means for, not the protection against corruption via propaganda
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS imposition .
@BT4free World capitalism is organised legalised robbery of the energy of immense humanity in a monetary web of control,exploitation and deception.Capitalism no mater what model of government is the template of domination of death over life. We need to get rid of this pathological destructive system for a world of cooperation for our coomon needs and well being in harmony within and without.
@arzoyan If a person do not work, he will die. If he doesn't want to eat, he will die. Pursue of happiness is pure egoistic. You cannot achieve your higher ambitions within a non-capitalistic society. It's not slavery unless govt. are there to forbid you, or regulate you, out of the competition of others. Without freedom, you are dead.
@larsiemannen There is a big difference between useless employment system of wage slavery and work that is driven by cooperation for our common needs and well being. You are recycling the exploitative and distorting ideology of your owners. Wake up
@larsiemannen Wage slavery is the socio-economic imposition of minority POLITICAL CLASS RULE. The Market system is the COMMODITY PRODUCTION FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION IN THE INTEREST OF THE RULING / OWNING CLASS. .Your freedom is the condition of your relative choice to sell yourself to the highest bidder in employment system of exploitation,dehumanisation and devaluation.
@arzoyan You don't need to sell your self to the higher bidder. You could choose family or friends if you want to. You could also not produce anything to sell for others, but then you will not be able to buy from others - if not you beg for charities. Since there is an option to join the market, or not, there is no slavery. Therefor your premise of slavery is wrong and conclusion is invalid. Try again.
@larsiemannen We are not talking personal issues here but larger social patterns , over 3 billion of world population are on less than $2 a day. 400 richest individuals in USA have more than half population of USA.
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@arzoyan Even a number of 3 billion is not agroup, it is 3 billion different soul living their life in their beliefs. Best way out of poverty is work. Regulation is a very effective way to decrease work, and thus, supressing men into 2$ per day. As well with 'minimum wage'.. It's a very nice way to exclude unskilled and others into the market so they can start a new life with something. When free-market is not allowed, you get insane results that we have today. We're born egoists. Let's live it.
@theuspartiot Wrong! There's other economic systems like Democratic Socialism. Capitalists hate it because it's more beneficial to workers. Communism is tyrannical, but Capitalism is not about freedom at all. Capitalism has become corporate Fascism: A particularly ugly form of thuggery and exploitation. Corporations have done their best to destroy the middle class. When I was young, workers had boats, and summer homes on the lake. Now only the upper classes can afford such things.
The "Class War" that Chomsky talks about in this audio is the enormous effort by the Business Community to undermine and destroy Labor Unions in this country, (The U.S.). It's been going on for a long time now. It peaked in the "Reagan Years." Managements goal has been to undermine the basic rights guaranteed by The 1935 Wagner Act or National Labor Relations Act. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War is illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize.
@CosmicFork The problem is that the unions gained so much privilege for workers who didn't need even a high school education that it became way too cheap to build things elsewhere. Then Americans buy it. The only way to prevent that would be to institute a closed economy like the USSR. Eventually it collapses because no one can advance and no one is motivated by reward for innovation. See the lyrics to Bob Dylan's 1984 song "Union Sundown." Puts it concisely.
capitalism is nothing personal its just business.its just business that people live in mansions and people live in shacks. just business that there are oil spills in the ocean.its just business that coca cola rots your teeth.ts just business that they keep selling cigarettes. just business that they have war. just business that there is rich class middle class, and lower class just business that there is crime. just business that nike doesnt give shoes to those who dont have them
It comforts some to think that the rich are all hard workers and "deserve" what they have and that poor people are poor as a result of their own actions. That is a fantasy; it's hard to think that no matter how hard you work you'll get no where while some asshole rich glides through life w/ out effort. When they say "freedom isn't free" they're talking about economic freedom. So if you're in the top 1%, you better thank the troops.
@kimberlymarie21990 Indeed. This Just World Theory, if taken to its logical conclusion, would maintain that the Jews got what they deserved under Hitler, the kulaks got what they deserved under Stalin, and that the Irish potato famine was an act of supreme justice.
He made his reputation in linguistics and then, extremely impressed with his own achievements in this field, felt free to venture into other areas which he pompously inundates with streams of uninformed opinions.
@jscottupton what about the old school philosophers like leibniz and newton. they did everything. murry rothbards the same. hes an economist but ventured into philosophy and history. im pretty sure the reason nobody hates murry rothbard however is that he advocates laissez faire capitalism which is what we're all supposed to believe that we have because the illusion serves our corporate masters interests.
A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
Better protections for workers, stronger safety nets, more progressive taxes, fewer wars, more international diplomacy and engagement, and less influence of capital in elections, all of these are improvements.
Anarchy, communism, and complete socialism lower all boats.
capitalism is an opressive, outdated system that is inevitable to fail. The rich facists that run buisness and gain power in government only get their wealth by extracting it of the labor of the working class. As opressive as the capitalist system is, the revolution comes down to the individuals,. The workers revolution can start tommorow if only the workers of this nation were to all ban together, the government will NEVER do anything to bring capitalism down, so we as the people have to.
Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our l planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative expressions in freedom of being.
@dontblockmedk but how do you address true scarcity? ie cost line. Not everyone can have a mansion on the lake, there isn't enough waterline for it, so how do you address that problem?
@b Can we agree that FIRST we need to create an automated, sustainable system with enough food, water, shelter for everyone? Then we can worry about greedy mother fuckers who want a mansion on the beach.
I always find it amazing that some people think billions of people starving and dying is OK, but they are concerned about some cock sucker having a mansion. The pathetic thing about it is that YOU will NEVER have a mansion so WHY are you even bringing that up. How brain washed can you be!
@dontblockmedk Um, actually I do plan on having one. You do realize that 80% of millionaires in this country are first generation right? It isn't difficult to raise from poverty to a good life (and i would know). That said, there is always scarcity, in many things, and the question is how do you deal with it without some system to put worth. Even if you gave everyone housing, some people would want more sq ft, some might want the best tasting apples. How do you deal with this?
@b WAKE UP. If you aren't rich right now you NEVER will be. Keep playing lotto and doing MLM, SUCKER. I used to think the 'god myth' was the worst, but the 'american dream' myth is just as bad.
The way to deal with scarcity is to create ABUNDANCE and SUBSTITUTES. We may never have a world were everyone always gets everything they want, but we can definitely have a world were everyone gets what they need and most of what they want.
Capitalism doesn't even come close to doing that.
@dontblockmedk right, that is why study after study that has been done has proven the fact that most millionaires are first generation. Those are all lies. The colleges, the private organizations, the non-profits, they are all in on it! And no matter how much abundance you create, there is always scarcity, and therefore you need a way to determine who gets that. Money is only a sign of how much you contribute to society. You can argue anypoint you want, but that is all money is.
@bluefootedpig I haven't got time to answer the same idiotic statements and questions over and over. Watch the videos and if you still don't understand ask an intelligent question.
@dontblockmedk Watched them before, they still don't address the fundamental issue of how to deal with scarcity. How about you stop avoiding the question and actually answer it, or as I might have guessed, that is the huge gaping whole in the abundance theory. You know, you could come work for me, i'll provide all your "needs" and you can do your part.
@b You are either not reading my responses or you are an idiot. I already said we can create an ABUNDANCE of the necessities and use SUBSTITUTES for anything that isn't sustainable.
Scarcity is a total 'special pleading' fallacy because anything that is scarce or can't be create in the system I describe, is the SAME NO MATTER WHAT SYSTEM WE HAVE.
Save yourself some time and face by trying to answer your own questions FIRST before you make yourself look silly. I'm done with you.
@dontblockmedk lets see, i am interested in what your abundance / substitute these: 5 star restaurants, shore line, forests, gold, diamonds, fish, fuel (such as for airplanes), or innovation requiring highly skilled people. Someone who works to perform highest skills, such as 5 star meals, you can't train everyone to do that, nor can you provide 5 star meals for everyone. So yes everyone can eat, I understand that, but how do you determine who gets the 5 star meals?
@b If none of those things even existed it wouldn't matter. This is a NON-argument. But just to get you to shut the fuck up about it, if there is lets say 10 gems stones and everyone wanted one, you either just destroy them all so no one has any or put them in a museum. Both options are far superior to the current RULE BY RICH, even having a lottery would be better.
@dontblockmedk ha, okay. This conversation is over. So instead of being able to buy what I enjoy, you would rather everyone live without. So any innovation, seeing as it isn't at full market penetration you would rather stifle creation of it. So we wouldn't have cell phones, unless somehow we found a way to give one to everyone. And if someone has the skills of a 5 star chef, you'll have him flipping burgers. Thats just funny. GG.
@b First you ask a BS, unrealistic question about TRULY scarce things and I give you a couple options that are better then the current system for those Highly improbable scenarios.
Then by some stretch of stupidity you say this means we wouldn't have cell phones. Cell phones are probably the most abundant nonessential product in the world already.
@dontblockmedk I said innovation. Before cell phones become this prominent, not everyone had them. They were first used only by business high execs. Then as they were used more often they become cheaper. under your abundance, people would not have cell phones until everyone could have one, thus innovation wouldn't happen. And what about highly skilled scarcity, such as 5 star restaurants. Why not look into communism and how well that worked in Russia. There is your abundance in action.
@dontblockmedk Your posts are so stupid that they're amusing... No wonder you believe that people with more don't deserve what they have and that you're entitled to their resources, you're completely fucking worthless, greedy and stupid. You're not able to acquire or earn what you want and believe that people should give you what you can't get for yourself. Fuck you, you greedy little shit. It's not my problem that you suck at life.
Respond to this video...(rant continued)...bullshit or asshole hawking consumer goods. We need to feed the hungry and stop serving the gluttonous, who are also glutinous, so, no more bread for fattie warbucks. Fuckem.
@zoobly3 Thanks for the post. You got it, the MONEY PROPERTY system is the ROOT of all the problems, government, religion, banking, etc. are just the SYMPTOMS.
The really sad thing is that these idiots that are calling us commies are getting fucked just as bad as we are. But they have been brainwashed into believing that they may be rich one day.
They also cry about how we want to control them but capitalism fucking OWN them. Sad pathetic idiotic loser all of them. Glad we don't need them.
@GTXMAN War, religion, government, banking crooks and almost all destructive things in the world are just SYMPTOMS of the MONEY PROPERTY system. The bottom line is that until we SHARE ALL the world's resources and create abundance for ALL, there will always be conflict and corruption.
@dontblockmedk Do you have any idea how stupid and ignorant you are? Did you write these posts when you were high? There's the way the world should be and then there's the way the world actually is. I don't doubt that life is serving you a tremendous ass kicking. You better pull your head out of your idealistic ass before the world completely fucks you up.
@dontblockmedk You worthless commie scum!-naw just fuckin with ya. Amen to that, your on the money man. I too thought the seemingly endless fraud of religion was the worst until I realized that Capitalism was an equal if not superior threat to mankind. It panders to the lowest, basest instincts of the individual. I'm fucking far beyond the point of frustration with this system. I have far more respect for a man/woman that digs a ditch, makes a basket, or grows some food, than for any academic...
@dontblockmedk There's always some cocksucker (you) who believes that the solution to the world's problems is other people's money. Yes, starvation and death is sad but those people aren't entitled to take other people's resources.
The poor always believe that they have a right to the belongings of those that have more. It's not anyone's responsibility to provide you with anything. If you want something, work for it. And fuck you if you think you're somehow entitled to what I've earned.
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated, tyrannical WORLD MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate the conditions of exploitation in the interest of the ruling/owning class. Capitalism is the abstract process of employment system for Capital accumulation and concentration . Over 3 billion workers earn 2 dollars a day and top 250 Corporations control 1/3 of the world GDP. Capitalism is a decaying corpse suffocating all.
People who are so fanatic about this sort of Capitalism are ironically (Absolutist Religious). Thay should go read, study, and think EVOLUTION. It they are born smart or not, ambitious or not, ugly or not, etc., which is actually in their view (DETERMINISTIC). Which in essence is GOD' wish. Can they explain this whole thing more rationally? Why shouldn't the born underprivileged help the ones that arn't? Why shouldn't the unintelligent worker live in dignity?
mfayek100 2 weeks ago
God bless capitalism. Listen to Milton Freidman. Noam Chomsky can go chug a cock.
coolbreeze922 2 weeks ago
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When you call yourself libertarian and sustain private ownership of the means of production, you're either deluded or a complete imbecile; freedom requires free labor, but renting yourself isn't being free since you essentially do not possess yourself in such a case: you are a slave sold in bits and chunks. Without democratic control of the economic institution and of its production, you are basically making yourself an advocate of extreme tyranny.
That was Milton Friedman.
KrugmanTheKing 2 weeks ago
@coolbreeze922
A self-proclaimed Libertarian who apparently knew nothing about human rights, freedom or even the liberalism which he praised, but didn't understand.
The actual argument for capitalism was that free men, because they pursue their well-being, would end yielding public benefits despite pursuing selfish ends. Well, the condition is for them to be free and renting yourself to private tyrants makes that impossible.
So unless the system altogether changes, the problems will remain.
KrugmanTheKing 2 weeks ago
I agree a hundred percent with Mr. Chomsky and support him a hundred percent.
joeb1963 1 month ago
The wealth of the Walton family roughly equals the combined wealth of the poorer 50 % of the American population.
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Money is the expression of our social degradation,dehumanisation and a tool for the elite to control and exploite the working men and women for their private gain and greed. Money is the medium of exploitation and exclusion to perpetuate the servitude and submission of the working class. Capitalism USA or Chinese modality is the world market system of artificial scarcity and distortions for the abstract process of CAPITAL ACCUMULATION AND CONCENTEATION.
arzoyan 2 months ago
Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power. What we really need is economic democracy, where essentially democracy is extended into the workplace! The first place to start would be worker control over production!
CosmicFork 2 months ago 4
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 6 months ago
eat the rich
knightoftheword2 6 months ago 2
if you want to scare the crap out of the big shots who dominate the USA, bring back Jesus!
acerb45666555 7 months ago 3
@acerb45666555 No thanks.
Bodhidharma1986 7 months ago
@acerb45666555 Too bad half of the people representing that "religion" of yours are also some of the "bigshots" in the US. Dipshit.
Bodhidharma1986 7 months ago
@Bodhidharma1986 ..... twirp! thats not my religion, i was using theyre prophets name as an example! because Jesus, (really based on Horus=the Serapis Christus thing), preached an anti-corruption message! ......the big shots who say theyre Christians arent really so. thats why if the big J came back theyd shit themselves!
acerb45666555 7 months ago
The "Class War" that Chomsky talks about in this audio is the enormous effort by the Business Community to undermine and destroy Labor Unions in this country, (The U.S.). It's been going on for a long time now. It peaked in the "Reagan Years." Managements goal has been to undermine the basic rights guaranteed by The 1935 Wagner Act or National Labor Relations Act. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War is illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize.
CosmicFork 7 months ago
The fundamental principle that we need to grapple with is this , Humanity cannot be treated as batteries of energy so a few can enrich and empower themselves the consequence is a world of war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destruction and many other terrible ongoing challenges, or We share the earth for all generations to come in harmony and cooperation for our material and emotional needs, We need to understand our common source and our common destiny , our common humanity as one.
arzoyan 8 months ago 18
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anarksee 8 months ago
anybody who likes this should listen to failed states, it has gotten very few views
beradification 9 months ago
@beradification idiot
meritsummer 7 months ago
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arzoyan 9 months ago
Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 9 months ago 32
Trump is a businessman. He understands the concept of economics and business. He very well could be our next president. Which would be great for this nation. He has already stated he would "talk" companies into returning to the states. It would come with regulation reform and protection in "right to work" states. Which will see the Democratic labor states suffer due to the unions. Meaning that Michigan, Illinois, and California would witness a mass exodus into right to work states!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
company can afford to pay. If NOONE will work for them? Then the company has to say, "how can we attract quality workers to work at our company?" Then they will have to work to get workers. There is no one being FORCED to work for them. Do you understand this? Nod to the screen if this is sinking in.Look I hate to be so condescending, but you have to understand, I no longer can afford to tolerate this in America. We are about to see the collapse of the dollar. Tuition, medicine, medicare Part4
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
Within the first minute of this video I could tell Noam is clueless. I have no idea why anyone would listen to this schmuck. He attacks business? Are you f....n kidding me? That is such a moronic statement that I cannot even begin to laugh it off. We have prosperity due to risk taking and wealth creation. We have houses and boats, cars due to laboring for these businesses. If we were being FORCED into slave labor as he is implying? Then we wouldn't have those things. He is an idiot.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Have you ever worked as anything else than management?Have you ever read a history book about worker struggles?Do you know why today we work 7-8 hours(officially)instead of 14?Why today most people live 70 years instead of 35?Why children are not in the mines but in schools?Please educate yourself and disassociate slavery from a literal whip before spouting nonsense.Prosperity is due to workers struggles not corps.Who do you think creates the wealth?Arguments please,not trollin
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr Yes as a matter of fact I have been on both sides. Have you? Do you know what incredible obstacles there are to open a business much less to keep it running? Do you know that over 80% of the businesses out there were started by someone risking their life savings to start it? Do you understand the insurmountably enormous costs to running a business? No? Then STFU. The only thing people have to do is simply NOT work a job that treats them unfair. A pretty simple concept even for morons.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Actually I have.And the 80% of businesses that you seem to refer to (reference or statistic out of your ass?) are small time ones that have to compete with the big corps which rip them a new one every day.Try to understand that Chomsky does not talk about the grocery shop in the corner but Lockheed,BP,Mosanto etc.And don't try putting words in my mouth while defending the overlords of this world.BTW, how much do you make and why do you feel oblidged to defend multi-billionares?
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr The reason why people live 70 years is because of the medical industry seeking a profit for their investors and share holders. That drives incentives. People work 7 to 8 hour days not due to unions like you want to lie about. Companies cannot afford to pay them above equilibrium market wages for 14 hours. Auto workers making 70 an hour for a job that you can train someone to do in a week? Are you kidding me? No wonder Detroit is over, No if companies said fuck it and closed? Part2
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Not the unions?History begs to differ.Again,try reading,start with "A people's history of the US" and listen to Fox less.
At least,do you acknowledge being a period when adults and children were working for 14 hours?Do you think they did it because they enjoyed it?Do you have any book to suggest to me that support your arguments?
Moreover,do you support that people should die because they can't afford already developed drugs?Exactly how much exactly do you value human life?
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr If you want to discuss the coal mines in West Virginia as the basis of your pro union movement? Then you do not obviously understand a thing. No one in this country has to work 14 hours a day? Who do you know that would take such a job? They need a union to tell them that working 14 hours is a bad thing? Don't you think refusal to work for a company would be incentive enough for the company to figure out how to get workers? Why does it take a union? Are you seriously saying Part 1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Unions is just a fancy word to say that me and you and some other people from the same factory come together to organize and negotiate better salaries and conditions.And don't think that unions will never agree to a salary cut if the factory is in trouble.They have and will again.But they are sure not going to do it if the manager is getting a six-digit bonus and they are getting a pay cut.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr can debate truth. In regards to healthcare? Do not get me started. I was in France not 3 weeks ago and dealt with their "free" healthcare personally. It is a joke. Please do not even try to say that. That puts you in the loony bin and I'll end it here. No such thing as free. No such thing as quality in government based healthcare. PERIOD>
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr Unions are NOT that. Do you understand the how the unions work? Who started the unions? It was the mob. Think about that for a bit and get back to me. I am currently a professional musician. We have a union but they do not speak for me. I speak for myself. I am required to be in the union. WTF??? FOR what??? There are players not even in my ballpark that are guaranteed the same price as me? And I pay the union for this? What reason? I will say it again. Unions are HORRIBLE
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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There is corruption inside certain unions,yes.But corruption is in everything so I can't accept that as an argument.From what I have read,the unions were not started by the mob but was latter infiltrated by them.Can you suggest me a book that shows the mob founding the unions?
If you have problems with your union,then maybe you should try to be elected in it and turn it around.Lower membership or make other changes if you want.If you feel that they are such a threat.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr Yes Hoffa. But the mob is NOT the issue. It is plain and simple common sense that is. Companies have a bottom line no different than an individual. Every one is interested in a buck. But there is a bottom line to the company just as there is with the worker. It can be a win win. There is no need for unions nor is there any need in unions being involved in politics for payoffs. It is against America. Just as corporatism is. GE? Is in cahoots with government. THAT is the problem. GOV
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr that people are too stupid to say to themselves "Gee is working 14 hours a bad thing?" Is the company or government forcing them to take the job? Do you understand this? Can you dig down for one second and try to comprehend common sense? Even for a moment? Or are you so indoctrinated by the leftist media that you cannot understand the difference between choice and force? Please for ONE SECOND THINK FOR YOURSELF. Unions are COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Cannot a person make his or her Part 2
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Please try to understand that people will do anything to put food on the table and will gladly work for 14 hours than DIE OF HUNGER.As for unions,everybody understood that 14hours was bad,but unless they did something all together,then nothing would improve.
e.g.If I don't want to work for 14 hours,the company will fire me and get some other wretched being.If 80% of the workers say the same(for enough time),then the company will have no choice than to reduce the work day.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr Your last post was absolutely correct. (e.g.If I don't want to work for 14 hours,the company will fire me and get some other wretched being.If 80% of the workers say the same(for enough time),then the company will have no choice than to reduce the work day.) The only problem is, if you have freedom. TRUE freedom in the markets there will be plenty of other private sector jobs to choose from. You do NOT have to work for the company with horrible conditions and pay. Then equilibrium Part1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Part 2:Also, if the manager comes to me and tells me that I have to do unpaid overtime otherwise I get fired and replaced by some other unemployed,how can I fight against this without unions and government?Just quit?Remember,the bills are running and I have to put food on the table.I can't afford to lose my job.And so the slippery slop starts...
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr I get what you are saying I do. But, the worker only thinks of himself. The business thinks of himself, his stockholders, investors, employees (other than just you). The CEO's lose their jobs as well. Sure they may make more money than the worker. But he has a 4 million dollar home to take care of. It is all relative to each individuals existence. And in smaller single owned companies? They lose their life savings. Everything the ever had. You? You get to walk away.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr Obama had one line that to us in the "know" were screaming at the top of our lungs "YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT IN THIS COUNTRY". Hint ( "Now is not the time for profit") That one line? It shows the entire reason we are in trouble. The Federal Reserve, and the government. Those 2 things? Those are your answers. Research that? And I promise you, you will figure it out. And start listening to Milton Friedman. He is 100% correct. Only ones against him. Those making profits thru government.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Actually friedman had a lot of corp support.And personally I find that although he may talk the talk, he certainly did not walk the walk.He collaborated with Pinochet(a known mass murder) and chile was economically destroyed,with the amount of people under the poverty line rising dramatically.Actually,every country that had free market polices experiences a sharp rise in the amount of poverty and that is the only true meter that matters in an economy.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr He had no idea what Pinochet was all about. After Pinochet the remnants of Friedmans original help to Chile in it's proper form was adopted. Greece also rejected Friedman. We see how that worked out. Pinochet did not implement the free market. Exactly the opposite. He used the government to control business. That is what happened. Nothing to do with Friedman. Look at interviews with Friedman during that era. That ends that right there.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr I have to run after this for the evening. But consider this. America was free. Freedom was new to all. Oligarchy (the current progressive movement) is nothing new. Freedom requires independent responsibility. It can be scary. But it is the only chance you have at making a better life for your family. Unless you are in cahoots with your government (this includes any nation) you have NO chance at a better life. You are born, a number is slapped on you, you work, you die, then NEXT. Part1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr That ushered in Roosevelt. Then you had big government. SS, Medicaid, Medicare. Costly ponzi schemes. Before that? You had freedom. You had someone who you knew by their first and last name. They were important to family, community, even those like Henry Ford to their countries. They were individuals pursuing dreams. Failing and succeeding. But doing it on their own terms, their own gifts, their own drive and determination. To reap the rewards of success and fall only to Part3
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Only the factory worker wasn't doing it on his own terms. Nor was the miner, the quarry worker, the rail worker. They were bound to the will of their employers like slaves to slave masters. Is that "freedom"? No. Freedom for you may be all about "property rights" and the ability to start a business. But the majority of people have no property except for their homes and/or personal belongings, and business is the venture of a small elite.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Perhaps with your infinite wisdom you can answer this question. Such a law must have existed that forced them to work in those deplorable conditions. What was the law that forced them to work for those evil companies?
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Why does it matter that there was no law that forced them into working in those conditions? The fact is is that capitalism makes for conditions that scupper the flourishing of the individual through making individuals automatons (and there are a host of other maladies also).
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Law or no law, it doesn't matter. We aren't forced to follow the law, but we are compelled to under threat of punishment. Similarly, we aren't forced to sacrifice our individuality and to go work and take orders from a boss, and to be treated like a machine. But we are compelled to under threat of starvation.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Ah spoken like a true Marxist. The fear of starvation? Hmmm, I wonder how those in West Virginia managed to survive for over a 100 without starvation before the coal companies came in. Now, using common sense (I understand you are a leftist and that is impossible). You are arguing FOR big business. That it in fact is great for society. Those West Virginia folks would have starved if the coal mining company had not have shown up. So u are for big business & Capitalism! GREAT :)
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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@SuperGuitarman69 "spoken like a true Marxist."
Thank you. I try my best.
I'm assuming those West Virginia people survived through the means of agriculture. I think you've misunderstood my point by the way. Could you explain in more depth how you think that I'm arguing for big business?
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
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But yes,Obama proved himself to be a disappointment on multiple levels.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr bro, you are acting as if the worker has NO value to a company. I can think of no better example of company thuggery than the West Virginia coal miner workers. The problem is, that the people could walk off their jobs at any point. Before the coal mines they were totally content bartering and working with one another in win win situation. The coal company came in and gave them a taste of a better life and they swallowed it up. They at anytime could stop. It isn't like that anymore.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr Another thing on Friedman. It isn't Friedman that came up with the ideas. They are based on facts. Simple facts. You have to understand something. Government does not exist for YOUR benefit. It exists for their benefit. They have control. Pelosi came in with a net worth of 2 million dollars. Why would she take a 175k a year job? Simple, she can control things and make money. She is worth a net 22 million now. Think about that. Friedman is against all of that. Freedom is his mantra
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr This has been the way of the world forever. It doesn't work. It has a systematic way of working for very few. (those in governmental power). America was the antithesis of this. It was about freedom. Limited government only to protect the freedoms of the people and protect them. It was beautiful. It was hard but millions came here for a chance in life. The something horrible happened. You had the Federal Reserve established in 1913. Then you had the crash caused by the Federal.. Part2
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr be responsible to pick themselves back up. In the process, the modern railroad, the car, factory inventions of efficiency, better tools for home use, electricity all of these things were made possible. All valued by individualism. Not government sanctioned. Only paid for by government when it promoted commerce among the people, not for their own self interests. Now after SS? We have a SS card a 042-12-4425 identifying us. Trying to regress us. Oligarchy in America? Y I am Libertarian.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr is reached. Then the company will have to compete for a quality work force. I am not saying that workers will then make 70 an hour. No in fact that will not happen. There is the law of marginal utility which determines the price of value of the worker. But he will not be working 14 hours either nor working for 2.50 a day. No one is going to die. That will NOT happen. Only when you do not have companies pursuing profit do you have poverty. It is basic economics. It is basic logic.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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I understand what you are saying but because we are not saints,I fail to see why a company would want to give me a better wage.In terms of negotiating power,without a union or government to back me up,I am at a significant disadvantage.Remember I have eg.5k in the bank and bills to pay.The corp has loads of money to outlast me and a pool of unemployed to readily replace me if I turn the job down.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr The corp has loads of money to outlast you? Are you 100% sure of this? Look around. Companies are in horrible trouble. Detroit alone. The unions demanded certain concessions from the company. The company was under the barrel. They had to be productive every day to survive. So they conceded. Union bosses made out like bandits. Then? They came into hard times. And the company fell. All those workers? Unemployed.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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Part 3:Most jobs do not necessitate a high quality work force.Anyone can do a decent job at them with minimal training.So the only factor to hire someone is if he/she is willing to work more for less.And of course you can always fire him for someone new when he burns out.The private sector does not provide enough work for everyone and so the unemployment pool keeps getting bigger and bigger.Remember that government efforts and WW2 pulled the world out of the great depression.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr Ah you hit the nail on the head. (The private sector does not provide enough work for everyone and so the unemployment pool keeps getting bigger and bigger.) Why does the private sector not provide enough jobs? Think about that for a moment. If you can come to the answer on your own? You have it licked and you will understand the basis of macro economics. The private sector have the capacity to not only provide a job for EVERYONE, but to be unable to reach marginal utility.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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The matter is not only to offer jobs, back what we call "good jobs".Jobs with lower working hours (due to technological innovations),better working conditions,benefits and salaries.I can't see the private sector,ever seeking to maximize shareholder profit to have any interest in offering these without external pressure.
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr own decision on for whom and what price and conditions they will work? Or do they need a mob boss ran union to negotiate for them, overpricing the value of their labor? I guarantee that a company will provide their employees each according to their demands individually based on their value. If a company can easily replace you? You are NOT worth 70 an hour. In the coal mines the work is dangerous and VERY deadly. Do they deserve more money? You bet! But that is up to what the Part 3
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr I mean medical care is expensive due to government, NOT the markets. I have a degree in economics. I know facts! What we have here pertaining to you is a distortion of facts. A class system that was developed by leftists to utterly destroy this country and the constitution. It DOES NOT EXIST. Government is the reason everything is expensive in healthcare. They meddled in the market and eliminated competition which drove up prices. Same in education. Look, this is not opinion. IT IS FACT
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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A:Please point me to these facts you possess and I will gradly admit my mistake.
B:Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as a worker, middle and upper class?
C:In every other country that I have lived in,there was a public,government ran health system running along the private sector.Citizens were prefering the public one and only went to private if they were rich.Prime example is the UK.Hey,even Greece had a better health system than the US until a couple of years ago
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr They did not. I point to facts that are present in every system that exists to prove it. I have a degree in this. I have had to study this. This is facts NOT opinions there is a difference. In economics you have truth, and you have those who are paid in economics ie.. a Krugman that is paid to distort the truth. Occasionally you have one that is within integrity. Milton Friedman is a prime example. This is why no one could debate the man. He had truth on his side. NO ONE would Part 1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@shirogr then who would pay to keep them alive? Does common sense creep into your skull at all? Would we just continue to print money and give it to them? As we have been? That is the only thing that would do it. At least til hyper inflation hit. Then it would be anarchy. No, occasionally I come across a dipshit or two on here. You take the cake. A non thinker. Not unusual, just sad you vote. That is what really sucks.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
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A:When and where exactly did I say that you should print and just give it to people?
B:Nobody gives money to regular people.At most they lend it at interest.Read a book about the economic crisis and what caused it.I suggest "The Big Short".It will suprise you.
C:As I said before, where are your arguments?
D:Are you are republican sir?Because that would actually explain a lot.Especially the name calling and rudeness :)
shirogr 9 months ago
@shirogr Let me respond to the previous post now about rudeness. I am NOT a Republican. I am for SURE NOT A SCUM OF THE EARTH DEMOCRAT. And he is barking up the wrong tree with lockheed martin and Monsanto. And the scum GE. The problem is NOT these companies. It is the government meddling in the market and getting payoffs to keep competition away from them. Government is the problem do you NOT see this? LESS LESS LESS government more freedom will solve all these problems. The problem is Part 1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Chomsky explains elsewhere that in slave societies, conditions were often better than before slavery was abolished. Is this a justification for slavery; material wealth and gain? Obviously it is not.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug But you argued that they would starve? So are you saying death is a more favorable outcome than poor working conditions? Once again (as the leftist/Marxist does) you post a Red Herring. You are comparing freed slaves to owned slaves, which takes the heat off your own original argument being exposed as facts are presented.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Are you suggesting that production wouldn't exist without capitalism? Because the physical process of extracting coal from the ground or planting food in it doesn't require the introduction of some phantom "investment". My argument was that people are compelled in a capitalist society to give up years of their lives to serve a master in order to survive. Where does that leave your precious individuality? Or is "individuality" for you really all about financial clout?
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug You just destroyed your own argument. Just read your post. If you believe financial clout doesn't mean anything then why do you hate the rich? I'll answer that for you. You have been programmed. To someone with virtue, a rich person is to be admired. To you? Hated. Why? Because you think they stole their wealth. Why? Because you are a programmed drone!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 I didn't say I hated the rich. The system, yes. You're resorting to straw man arguments. I haven't been "programmed"; I think for myself, and I am for the most part self-educated on this subject. If you want to have a real discussion, fine. But if you'd rather fumble about aimlessly and make crass comments and straw man arguments, goodbye.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug The system of free markets do not exist in America. FDR Destroyed it. That is why economists (ones who are not paid to choose sides) consider him in the top 3 presidents of all time. Government regulations and taxes were designed to chase companies out of the country to create monopolies for those who are favorable to politicians. We need 80% less regulation. We need NO regulation for workers. The only law we need is cartel price fixing among the companies to protect the consumer.
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Nonsense. What you're advocating will throw the US back into the 19th century. It was a lack of regulation that led to the crisis of '08. Even Greenspan, who opposed regulation, admitted that free market ideology was false.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug The reason for the crash in 1908 was due to JP Morgan creating a panic by saying the Bank of New York was insolvent (which it was NOT)! This ushered in the Federal Reserve that was written on Jeckyl Island and passed over the Chritmas holidays in secret from the American People in 1913. It was NOT the market place. I had to do my dissertation on this in college. You are severely misinformed. This proves propaganda works. Makes me sick! I'm not surprised just wasnt you to "get" it
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug And once again? Like a broken record, WHAT free market? We have companies leaving America in the droves because of government regulation and taxes. Once again A FACT! Cheaper labor? YES! But they would stay if they were not in the position of competing for labor against unions who are getting 30 to 70 an hour for pushing buttons. If market equilibrium for labor (FREE MARKET) would be allowed to reached. Our unemployment would be zero. Regulation is why CHINA has our jobs!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug We have a serious problem in this country. Our media lies and lies and lies. Public government controlled schools pump lies and non sense into our youth to keep their over proved gravy train rolling. We end up with those such as yourself that actually loses their ability to use logic and facts to come to truthful assessments. Smart people indoctrinated into giving up their common sense and freedom and actually arguing FOR the ones taking it!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 That's weird, because I've never even been to America.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Then that explains it completely. I NEVER question someone from another country. They do not have freedom. Indoctrination has been around for centuries, not decades. I seen it not but one month ago in France. McDonalds was packed with the french at all hours of the fau and night. Guess capitalism tastes good in more ways than one. Why are you even commenting to an American? You know nothing about our country!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Um, why shouldn't I comment to an America? We haven't even been discussing America, but capitalism. And yes I do know things about your country, I mean, it is pretty much the cultural center of the world. We don't have freedom? If by freedom you mean "free markets" and "individual rights" we have plenty of that propaganda bullshit.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Oh my God. Wow, you truly are lost. No wonder the rest of the world is messed up. I was completely right on my assessment of the rest of the countries of the world. You have your individual rights and freedom taken from you and then you argue and benefit of those were taking it from you! Truly sick! Thank god I was born here!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Right, but my point was that the "freedom" and "individualism" you have over there is present over here. I don't actually consider this a free or an individualist society, hence the quotation marks. I don't mean this as an insult, but your level of comprehension is either incredibly low or you're being deliberately deceptive. Either way, I see no benefit in continuing this discussion, for me or for you.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug No, we shouldn't continue this discussion. I have completely wasted my time with you. You are blogging on youtube, a website that was designed in America. Your computer that you have been using was dreamed of, then built, and distributed to the rest of the world by an Americans ingenuity. An individual that seeked a profit for his efforts. And rightfully so he obtained enormous wealth for his genious. For the internet was created because of the ingenuity of the computer PART 1
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 I'm getting the impression that you think I'm anti-American. This can't be because I'm an anti-capitalist, given that modern industrial capitalism began in my own country (UK) and exists everywhere. But no, I have nothing against any American I've met, and I look forward to going there one day. But where are all these assumptions coming from? Are you always this schizophrenic?
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug which is the very thing you are reading this on right now. I really have no quams with any other country. To each their own right? But, for you to question capitalism? The very source that is giving you speech that us Americans enjoy? To enable you to sit at a computer and give me your opinions free of persecution (at least for the time being)? Don't you want to praise the nature of capitalism? The fact that zan individual can pursue his or her talents and visions.. PART 2
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Capitalism isn't the source of speech. That's more to do with vocal cords. It doesn't necessitate for the political right of free speech, either (look at China). And yes, my computer was made by human ingenuity; but then human ingenuity isn't a consequence of capitalism. Human ingenuity isn't dependent on any economic system.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug I absolutely love schooling you. Let me ask you this. Take 2 inventors. One lives in a socialist country, one lives in a capitalist free market country. In the socialist country the inventor will be taxed a progressive tax, the more he will earn off of his invention, the higher his tax rate will be. In the capitalist country his tax rate will remain constant. Which inventor has more incentive to create his invention? See, this its called logic. Try it on! China is NOT capitalist!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Hong Kong is a capitalist. Low regulation and a Milton Friedman esque system. Low unemployment and LOTS of wealth their! China only has interest in Their businesses, which the government controls, it its called state capitalism. That is NOT capitalism with the state in bed with businesses. Also, you keep avoiding answering what country you are from. I do not blame you. I am proud of America. I want to see it return to its former glory. Oligarchy is NOT new. Freedom is!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Let me put this to you like a "true Marxist". Human beings are naturally creative, social and communal animals who thrive when they are able to participate and to have a voice in society, to be able to have control over the work they perform. Capitalism and the wage system stunts individuality, unless, of course, you are a member of the elite.
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug Really? You are actually saying that Marxism creates individuality? That the worker is no different than the worker next to him? That the owner of the business was born with a silver soon in his mouth and was pre destined to be a leader? Wow, I see now. Gattaca! I see no greater argument for complete freedom. FYI, Marx has been proven to be wrong. And a moron!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 No. Marxism is above all else an analysis of the world; of capitalism, of history, of human nature. I'm not saying that it "creates" anything. The Marxist ANALYSIS has NOT been proven to be wrong; only the Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist experiments of the 20th century - those movements that accepted the Marxist analysis - have failed. (Of course there are aspects of the Marxist analysis that HAVE been proven wrong, but overall I think it is a sound analysis).
smileyfacemug 9 months ago
@smileyfacemug People care about people. People such as themselves, in the ones that are closest to them such as family. Forcing someone into providing for another that they do not care about is against human nature. But, through each 1 individual trying to take care of themselves and their families it is a win win scenario for all! That is the true nature of capitalism my friend. And that is why americans live a much nicer lifestyle, and have a higher standard of living!
SuperGuitarman69 9 months ago
'twas ever thus
BeveledSpilchOnion 9 months ago
Class warfare against division of labor diversity is just a criminal tactic to attempt to legitimize criminal mob coercion.
qwertypoiu4321 10 months ago
chomsky is a dick
elieakaMrextreme 10 months ago
there is so much wrong with nearly all comments here.
all i can say is, please read both sides. never get info on capitalism, by people against it.
if anyone here want a good introduction into economics, please read:
'economics in one lesson'. see the amazon reviews. We don't actually have capitalism now. and all it refers to is people trading goods and services freely. if it actually does harm 3rd party, coerce or involve state-corporate favortism, it is not capitalism
100CommonCents 10 months ago
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I think most would argue that the current system (whatever you may call it) represents the inevitable result of capitalism as the structural basis for an economic system: exploitation of the poor, accumulation of capital in the hands of a few, gross inequality, a state that does the bidding of the capitalists (see: investment theory of government), and a large, deep social and environmental debt that future generations will have to pay off.
jonblaze32 10 months ago
@jonblaze32 well i believe this is the result of corporatism. Free-market capitalism is vastly different. people point to the fact we hold capital and spend money, so it is capitalist. but even this is wrong. spend pieces of paper, that are attached to nothing (they are supposed to be claims on actual gold, which is unforgeable). and our capital, is subject to the mercy of the state. weakly protected by democracy, which is more the means for, not the protection against corruption via propaganda
100CommonCents 10 months ago
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A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 1 year ago
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS imposition .
arzoyan 1 year ago 56
@arzoyan search youtube fairtax, solution for the middle class
BT4free 9 months ago
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@BT4free World capitalism is organised legalised robbery of the energy of immense humanity in a monetary web of control,exploitation and deception.Capitalism no mater what model of government is the template of domination of death over life. We need to get rid of this pathological destructive system for a world of cooperation for our coomon needs and well being in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 8 months ago 5
@arzoyan If a person do not work, he will die. If he doesn't want to eat, he will die. Pursue of happiness is pure egoistic. You cannot achieve your higher ambitions within a non-capitalistic society. It's not slavery unless govt. are there to forbid you, or regulate you, out of the competition of others. Without freedom, you are dead.
larsiemannen 4 months ago
@larsiemannen There is a big difference between useless employment system of wage slavery and work that is driven by cooperation for our common needs and well being. You are recycling the exploitative and distorting ideology of your owners. Wake up
arzoyan 4 months ago 4
@arzoyan What is wage slavery? Who are my owner but me?
larsiemannen 4 months ago
@larsiemannen Wage slavery is the socio-economic imposition of minority POLITICAL CLASS RULE. The Market system is the COMMODITY PRODUCTION FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION IN THE INTEREST OF THE RULING / OWNING CLASS. .Your freedom is the condition of your relative choice to sell yourself to the highest bidder in employment system of exploitation,dehumanisation and devaluation.
arzoyan 4 months ago 4
@arzoyan You don't need to sell your self to the higher bidder. You could choose family or friends if you want to. You could also not produce anything to sell for others, but then you will not be able to buy from others - if not you beg for charities. Since there is an option to join the market, or not, there is no slavery. Therefor your premise of slavery is wrong and conclusion is invalid. Try again.
larsiemannen 4 months ago
@larsiemannen We are not talking personal issues here but larger social patterns , over 3 billion of world population are on less than $2 a day. 400 richest individuals in USA have more than half population of USA.
arzoyan 4 months ago 5
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@arzoyan Even a number of 3 billion is not agroup, it is 3 billion different soul living their life in their beliefs. Best way out of poverty is work. Regulation is a very effective way to decrease work, and thus, supressing men into 2$ per day. As well with 'minimum wage'.. It's a very nice way to exclude unskilled and others into the market so they can start a new life with something. When free-market is not allowed, you get insane results that we have today. We're born egoists. Let's live it.
larsiemannen 4 months ago
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Captalism is economic freedom, communism is economic tyranny.
theuspartiot 1 year ago
@theuspartiot Wrong! There's other economic systems like Democratic Socialism. Capitalists hate it because it's more beneficial to workers. Communism is tyrannical, but Capitalism is not about freedom at all. Capitalism has become corporate Fascism: A particularly ugly form of thuggery and exploitation. Corporations have done their best to destroy the middle class. When I was young, workers had boats, and summer homes on the lake. Now only the upper classes can afford such things.
BillSalem 11 months ago
The "Class War" that Chomsky talks about in this audio is the enormous effort by the Business Community to undermine and destroy Labor Unions in this country, (The U.S.). It's been going on for a long time now. It peaked in the "Reagan Years." Managements goal has been to undermine the basic rights guaranteed by The 1935 Wagner Act or National Labor Relations Act. The basic method of this successful Anti-Union War is illegally firing thousands of workers for exercising their rights to organize.
CosmicFork 1 year ago 9
@CosmicFork The problem is that the unions gained so much privilege for workers who didn't need even a high school education that it became way too cheap to build things elsewhere. Then Americans buy it. The only way to prevent that would be to institute a closed economy like the USSR. Eventually it collapses because no one can advance and no one is motivated by reward for innovation. See the lyrics to Bob Dylan's 1984 song "Union Sundown." Puts it concisely.
deaddoc 11 months ago
Class warfare is just an empty misdirection to demagogue the poor and promote coercion.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
capitalism is nothing personal its just business.its just business that people live in mansions and people live in shacks. just business that there are oil spills in the ocean.its just business that coca cola rots your teeth.ts just business that they keep selling cigarettes. just business that they have war. just business that there is rich class middle class, and lower class just business that there is crime. just business that nike doesnt give shoes to those who dont have them
thepurevandal 1 year ago
Why am I wasting my time listening to this gobblety goop. This clown is obviously in love with his ability to memorize a thesaurus.
DrHogfan 1 year ago
@DrHogfan haha he's a linguist, man.
britishgarbage 1 year ago
@DrHogfan haha, he's a linguist man.
britishgarbage 1 year ago
@DrHogfan pay attention for once in your life and you may learn something
jakiner 1 year ago
It comforts some to think that the rich are all hard workers and "deserve" what they have and that poor people are poor as a result of their own actions. That is a fantasy; it's hard to think that no matter how hard you work you'll get no where while some asshole rich glides through life w/ out effort. When they say "freedom isn't free" they're talking about economic freedom. So if you're in the top 1%, you better thank the troops.
kimberlymarie21990 1 year ago 2
@kimberlymarie21990 Indeed. This Just World Theory, if taken to its logical conclusion, would maintain that the Jews got what they deserved under Hitler, the kulaks got what they deserved under Stalin, and that the Irish potato famine was an act of supreme justice.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
He made his reputation in linguistics and then, extremely impressed with his own achievements in this field, felt free to venture into other areas which he pompously inundates with streams of uninformed opinions.
jscottupton 1 year ago
@jscottupton what about the old school philosophers like leibniz and newton. they did everything. murry rothbards the same. hes an economist but ventured into philosophy and history. im pretty sure the reason nobody hates murry rothbard however is that he advocates laissez faire capitalism which is what we're all supposed to believe that we have because the illusion serves our corporate masters interests.
BloodTypeRagu 1 year ago
8:08 - Noam Chomky, puttin a little flava in ya ear...
YoshuaSelah24 1 year ago
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A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
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Check out this video: The Truth About Capitalism
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ZombieLand 1 year ago
Better protections for workers, stronger safety nets, more progressive taxes, fewer wars, more international diplomacy and engagement, and less influence of capital in elections, all of these are improvements.
Anarchy, communism, and complete socialism lower all boats.
darkmiles22 1 year ago
capitalism is an opressive, outdated system that is inevitable to fail. The rich facists that run buisness and gain power in government only get their wealth by extracting it of the labor of the working class. As opressive as the capitalist system is, the revolution comes down to the individuals,. The workers revolution can start tommorow if only the workers of this nation were to all ban together, the government will NEVER do anything to bring capitalism down, so we as the people have to.
deathdog1392 1 year ago
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MrRobertog4 1 year ago
@MrRobertog4 Really? That creeps me out : /
MyFace43 1 year ago
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Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our l planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative expressions in freedom of being.
arzoyan 1 year ago
Money property system is ROOT of ALL problems, it creates/exploits scarcity, never creates enough jobs, allows people on top to control everyone/thing
1. people need food, water, energy, etc.
2. sharing all resources and knowledge allows maximum cooperative efficiency
3. creating an abundance of all our needs makes money, gov, crime obsolete
4. automating the production distribution, frees up humanity to no longer be wage slaves to governments or corporations
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk but how do you address true scarcity? ie cost line. Not everyone can have a mansion on the lake, there isn't enough waterline for it, so how do you address that problem?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@b Can we agree that FIRST we need to create an automated, sustainable system with enough food, water, shelter for everyone? Then we can worry about greedy mother fuckers who want a mansion on the beach.
I always find it amazing that some people think billions of people starving and dying is OK, but they are concerned about some cock sucker having a mansion. The pathetic thing about it is that YOU will NEVER have a mansion so WHY are you even bringing that up. How brain washed can you be!
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Um, actually I do plan on having one. You do realize that 80% of millionaires in this country are first generation right? It isn't difficult to raise from poverty to a good life (and i would know). That said, there is always scarcity, in many things, and the question is how do you deal with it without some system to put worth. Even if you gave everyone housing, some people would want more sq ft, some might want the best tasting apples. How do you deal with this?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@b WAKE UP. If you aren't rich right now you NEVER will be. Keep playing lotto and doing MLM, SUCKER. I used to think the 'god myth' was the worst, but the 'american dream' myth is just as bad.
The way to deal with scarcity is to create ABUNDANCE and SUBSTITUTES. We may never have a world were everyone always gets everything they want, but we can definitely have a world were everyone gets what they need and most of what they want.
Capitalism doesn't even come close to doing that.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk right, that is why study after study that has been done has proven the fact that most millionaires are first generation. Those are all lies. The colleges, the private organizations, the non-profits, they are all in on it! And no matter how much abundance you create, there is always scarcity, and therefore you need a way to determine who gets that. Money is only a sign of how much you contribute to society. You can argue anypoint you want, but that is all money is.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@bluefootedpig I haven't got time to answer the same idiotic statements and questions over and over. Watch the videos and if you still don't understand ask an intelligent question.
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Watched them before, they still don't address the fundamental issue of how to deal with scarcity. How about you stop avoiding the question and actually answer it, or as I might have guessed, that is the huge gaping whole in the abundance theory. You know, you could come work for me, i'll provide all your "needs" and you can do your part.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@b You are either not reading my responses or you are an idiot. I already said we can create an ABUNDANCE of the necessities and use SUBSTITUTES for anything that isn't sustainable.
Scarcity is a total 'special pleading' fallacy because anything that is scarce or can't be create in the system I describe, is the SAME NO MATTER WHAT SYSTEM WE HAVE.
Save yourself some time and face by trying to answer your own questions FIRST before you make yourself look silly. I'm done with you.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk lets see, i am interested in what your abundance / substitute these: 5 star restaurants, shore line, forests, gold, diamonds, fish, fuel (such as for airplanes), or innovation requiring highly skilled people. Someone who works to perform highest skills, such as 5 star meals, you can't train everyone to do that, nor can you provide 5 star meals for everyone. So yes everyone can eat, I understand that, but how do you determine who gets the 5 star meals?
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@b If none of those things even existed it wouldn't matter. This is a NON-argument. But just to get you to shut the fuck up about it, if there is lets say 10 gems stones and everyone wanted one, you either just destroy them all so no one has any or put them in a museum. Both options are far superior to the current RULE BY RICH, even having a lottery would be better.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk ha, okay. This conversation is over. So instead of being able to buy what I enjoy, you would rather everyone live without. So any innovation, seeing as it isn't at full market penetration you would rather stifle creation of it. So we wouldn't have cell phones, unless somehow we found a way to give one to everyone. And if someone has the skills of a 5 star chef, you'll have him flipping burgers. Thats just funny. GG.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@b First you ask a BS, unrealistic question about TRULY scarce things and I give you a couple options that are better then the current system for those Highly improbable scenarios.
Then by some stretch of stupidity you say this means we wouldn't have cell phones. Cell phones are probably the most abundant nonessential product in the world already.
FUCK OFF you pathetic idiot.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago 2
@dontblockmedk I said innovation. Before cell phones become this prominent, not everyone had them. They were first used only by business high execs. Then as they were used more often they become cheaper. under your abundance, people would not have cell phones until everyone could have one, thus innovation wouldn't happen. And what about highly skilled scarcity, such as 5 star restaurants. Why not look into communism and how well that worked in Russia. There is your abundance in action.
bluefootedpig 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Your life is going to suck so hard. People are going to fuck you over simply because they're able to.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@R Go spread your fucked up idiotic spam somewhere else your troll cock sucker.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk I didn't think you'd have a response to my statements.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Your posts are so stupid that they're amusing... No wonder you believe that people with more don't deserve what they have and that you're entitled to their resources, you're completely fucking worthless, greedy and stupid. You're not able to acquire or earn what you want and believe that people should give you what you can't get for yourself. Fuck you, you greedy little shit. It's not my problem that you suck at life.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
Respond to this video...(rant continued)...bullshit or asshole hawking consumer goods. We need to feed the hungry and stop serving the gluttonous, who are also glutinous, so, no more bread for fattie warbucks. Fuckem.
zoobly3 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Keep fighting the good fight. Peace
zoobly3 1 year ago
@zoobly3 Thanks for the post. You got it, the MONEY PROPERTY system is the ROOT of all the problems, government, religion, banking, etc. are just the SYMPTOMS.
The really sad thing is that these idiots that are calling us commies are getting fucked just as bad as we are. But they have been brainwashed into believing that they may be rich one day.
They also cry about how we want to control them but capitalism fucking OWN them. Sad pathetic idiotic loser all of them. Glad we don't need them.
dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Symptoms,sympoms of what,tell me more please
GTXMAN 1 year ago
@GTXMAN War, religion, government, banking crooks and almost all destructive things in the world are just SYMPTOMS of the MONEY PROPERTY system. The bottom line is that until we SHARE ALL the world's resources and create abundance for ALL, there will always be conflict and corruption.
Please watch the vids for details.
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk Do you have any idea how stupid and ignorant you are? Did you write these posts when you were high? There's the way the world should be and then there's the way the world actually is. I don't doubt that life is serving you a tremendous ass kicking. You better pull your head out of your idealistic ass before the world completely fucks you up.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk You worthless commie scum!-naw just fuckin with ya. Amen to that, your on the money man. I too thought the seemingly endless fraud of religion was the worst until I realized that Capitalism was an equal if not superior threat to mankind. It panders to the lowest, basest instincts of the individual. I'm fucking far beyond the point of frustration with this system. I have far more respect for a man/woman that digs a ditch, makes a basket, or grows some food, than for any academic...
zoobly3 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk There's always some cocksucker (you) who believes that the solution to the world's problems is other people's money. Yes, starvation and death is sad but those people aren't entitled to take other people's resources.
The poor always believe that they have a right to the belongings of those that have more. It's not anyone's responsibility to provide you with anything. If you want something, work for it. And fuck you if you think you're somehow entitled to what I've earned.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
@dontblockmedk I'm guessing you're a young idealist or a moron. You need to study how the world really works and the variables in it.
RevengeOfRedBaron 1 year ago
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated, tyrannical WORLD MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate the conditions of exploitation in the interest of the ruling/owning class. Capitalism is the abstract process of employment system for Capital accumulation and concentration . Over 3 billion workers earn 2 dollars a day and top 250 Corporations control 1/3 of the world GDP. Capitalism is a decaying corpse suffocating all.
arzoyan 1 year ago