► SHOUTcraft - SCi4 - Bronze : Ret vs Grubby G2

[vozzek69]

Gold bases were a cool idea that add an interesting dynamic to the game. If mules are the only reason they're being excluded, they need to do one of two things:

1. Tweak mules (make them cost more energy or gather less minerals)

2. Make is so that mules gather the same amount of minerals, even on gold.

Eliminating gold mineral patches altogether isn't the answer. Some of the best battles are fought for position over gold minerals.

[TonyboyDK]

red nose!!

[miniman995]

loot at the scoreboard.... apparently Grubby is playing as Terran

[Doncroft1]

"Protoss has always been the creative race." - dApollo

[swiip100]

Why did Grubby had a terran logo?

[paull1052]

0:42

yepyep

[Mrwilnyl]

lol 1773 views ^^

[killerchimp9]

@impmon12345 uhhhh no that would have been awful investors - a couple v rays

[impmon12345]

uggggh a tech switch to Void Rays (if it went unscouted) would have been so brilliant /sigh

[impmon12345]

You heard it from Apollo - A and B are now numbers!

[whatwhat98]

HEY! why is it you must blame us americans for everything? aside from congress being dumbasses

[TheHotmud]

@whatwhat98 Because they're ignorant believing their own stereotypes.

[whatwhat98]

lol yeah i have to agree with them on this one time. mules on gold bases. yeah that is faaaarrrr to op...and im a terran player

[sandqwert]

Damn you youtube glitch... you had me believe i was first, when i was actually 5th...

[Pysosis2]

lol protoss the creative race

[Wetily]

@Repanocho 80 shield 80 hp, shield regenerates

[GilohNet]

6:55 Number 'a' and number 'b' ? :p

[Wetily]

@tomkerckhove Because it affects all their units and buildings and is awesome and costs less in the newest patch and they are dumb

[Repanocho]

@Wetily Look at the stalkers, most of the time they have no shields... just saying

[Saukkomestari]

How many of you frequently drop from games in sc? I have a very crappy connection and i've lost many ladda games 'cause of it and just wantin' to know if it happens to others too.

[SuperMitch1995]

@Saukkomestari Its a very annoying blizzard bug :)

[Yavin1v]

@Saukkomestari i have very good connection and i drop all time on eu server ....

[2nd3rd1st]

Game starts at 1:10

[tomkerckhove]

why don't protoss ever upgrade their shields?

[BurninCrisis]

@tomkerckhove they see it as a waste of gas and minerals or just plain forget

[iamdisplacedlilak]

@tomkerckhove Most units don't have as much slield energy as they do health, like a zealot has 100 hp and 50 sheilds, basically they are cutting corners. The reason its doing so well here is because of how the meta game works, if protoss doesn't do it, zerg wont expect it, this is grubby understanding that weakness. :D

[buldren0101]

@tomkerckhove Against Zerg, I do it all the time since Archons with Shield Ups pwn. Against Terran though, EMP makes that upgrade almost completely useless.

[TheHotmud]

@tomkerckhove Don't shields always take full damage aside from armor which is usually more or the same as shields for gateway units so armor would actually keep them alive longer... but yeah they really need to upgrade the shields asap after +3 armor or if they're going archons or immortals since they benefit from shield a lot

[Paxton171]

@tomkerckhove against terran they will just get EMPed and it is much cheaper to get armor before shields

[impmon12345]

@tomkerckhove because mathematically it's the least cost-effective upgrade vs armor which reduces incoming damage and attack which increases the units dps. The only time you ever see toss grab shields is after 3/3 armor/weps or if they're going into mass archons very early because the archon has very high shields, but very low hp.

[Sh1v3rZone]

@tomkerckhove Because the upgrade costs more then the armour upgrade which gives the same stats (unless your an archon).

[NeonRabies]

@Sh1v3rZone But wouldn't shields be a better investment seeing as it gives you more longevity if you can micro out low shield units and replace them with units who still have shields, allowing the depleted shields to recharge. Also armor doesn't effect archons, and immortal's would benefit more from the shields upgrade because they have the hardened shield tech right?

Seems like shields are a better option in my opinion.

[JustOuttakes]

@NeonRabies Shields affects buildings too :)

[NeonRabies]

@JustOuttakes This also :D

[Sh1v3rZone]

@NeonRabies It is true that shields would give you more longevity under specific circumstances although in the early game the initial investment is usually too great and to add on top of that most early game units such as Zealots have more health than shields making the cheaper armour upgrade a better choice. Most Protoss players will get an early attack upgrade due to the fact that they have the micro to keep there units alive and would prefer the units not being hit to do more damage.

[Sh1v3rZone]

@NeonRabies I believe you are correct about Archons, they have phyonic armour which receives no bonus damage. Immortals however I believe the hardened shield will negate almost all of the damage when hit with a heavy attack, the damage they take from a heavy attack is always the same while the shields are up regardless of upgrades, apparently.

[Th4w]

@Sh1v3rZone

so colossi are shit vs zerglings?

[kallmannkallmann]

@tomkerckhove grubby did in game 1...by 2 even

[AmericanPride771]

@tomkerckhove Simply because the armor upgrade offers signifigantly more benefits and the shields are seen as a waste of money...

[Ichifails]

@AmericanPride771 Bullshit. I've seen 3/3/0 protoss players with around 3-k gas/mineral banked and not even thinking to go for shields.

[AmericanPride771]

@Ichifails Yes, I was talking about shields. Shields are pointless.

[Garsemor]

@tomkerckhove Shields are to expensive to upgrade and usually only cover about 1/3 of a units health. It's 200/200 for lvl1, 300/300 for lvl 2 and 400/400 for lvl 3 so it's not all that effective.

[OriginalGames2]

@tomkerckhove More expensive than armor I think? There's also usually more health than shields. And a dead unit can't regenerate shields to take advantage of that.

[iHainesStarcraft]

Thanks for uploading TB! :)

[JollyDemon101]

08:36 Liquid, the Ret knows reindeers xD

[sandqwert]

What?... I'm actually the first to comment a TB video !? o.O

If so, life is complete =)

[MrBountz]

@sandqwert slow internet?

[ZZedera]

@sandqwert nope u were 5th sorry bud

[marshmallowmovies]

@sandqwert no

[2nd3rd1st]

@sandqwert Awww bummer, lol 

[MrBountz]

more more drones Ret ~~

[zealot256]

Under 69 club. :D

[joerama1990]

3rd

[M00not]

WWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO­OOOOOOOO

[pernicethemanwhore]

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