@FMafia206 if everyone could do it they would find it useful... look how much they do it in this game, your sarcasm is not wanted here.... yo come over today
@FMafia206 you have no case. melee involves more technical skill brawl involves camping in a given area and spamming ( theres nothing wrong with this however i dont like it and many others dont". brawl is more tactical, but melee is more agressive. we'll settle it at thier both different :)
@mrgoodfight14 they're both different? wow I can see the educations system didn't fail to provide you with that 3rd grade logic...obviously they are different they're 2 different games LOL. Also read my comments carefully I never once said that melee doesn't involve more technical skill cause it does. Melee is probably requires more tactics than brawl too, I just like brawl cause it has better looking maps, more characters, and it brings something new as opposed to play the same game from 2001.
@FMafia206 the education joke was uncalled for and stupid. also you have said countless times " melee takes no skill " , " brawl takes more skill " and things like that. and brawl has more characters! " congratulations you can count! want a golden star besides your name? also ur sarcastic comment degrading aspects of melee sparked this debate
@mrgoodfight14 If I did say that melee takes no skill I was obviously trolling. I played before you have trust I know it takes more skill you're just too easy to piss off so I say it. Also LOL 'it was uncalled for' did I hurt your feelings? Also was the joke stupid or are you just too stupid to understand the sarcasm behind it? Also I'm better than you at soccer, and long distance running....LOLOLOL
If it wasn't for real, why you didn't just shut the fuck up? falco is the biggest counterpick for marth because he has insane range lasers that can keep stage control for the whole match! marth chaingrabs are EXTREMELY significant to this matchup, and there's nothing much that marth can do instead of this.
You think you know melee, son? go win over 50.000 thousand dollars over melee championships, like ken, aka the ''pussy'', did.
@TehNsider It's called a ledge tech. You DI into the stage when youre going to get edgeguarded like that and then you tech the bounce into the wall using L or R
@LittleGiant12 what you witnessed is a ledge tech. all you gotta do is press L or R. Sometimes you need to smash DI towards the stage to get it. It's the least reliable of all techs because you basically have to tech the instant they hit you.
Man, as an old competitive melee player, I see these matches and I have to give a nod to how far the game has come since these matches. Still, I remember my friend telling me these vids were up on a DC++ link on smashboards and going over to his house to watch and being completely awestruck. Great times. I wish we still had a scene. . .
Holy Shit. And people have been saying that Falco is broken~ if that's the case, then Marth is top-tier. You might as well be cheating using Marth, except that anyone can use him.
OptimusLime |18 mai 2006 Match five of the popular Jack Garden Tournament Finals.Catégorie :DivertissementTags :super smash brothers melee jgt match one ken marth bombsoldier falco jack garden tournament
I'm so sick of people who think it's proper etiquette or something to hold back on combos or chaingrabs. This is competitive play, people. If you purposely choose not to do everything you possibly can, you don't deserve to win a tournament. Furthermore, If you really could chaingrab whenever you want for however long you wanted, ken would have done it, the match would have been over in 60 seconds and fox and falco would be a lot lower on the tier list. Just don't get grabbed for christ's sake...
to all the people that think it's cheap to chain grab:
grabs do not that much damage so a chain grab of 6+ grabs do pretty much the same amount of damage as falco does with his great shine combos.
every character has his advantages and disadvantages and marth just has the best grab range.also remember that these chain-grabs aren't that easy to do when your opponent knows how to DI properly.it's not like ken is getting free hits without any effort :P
I like how people say Ken is cheap just by chain-throwing a Falco. This is for competition. You are supposed to win. Use cheap tactics (that are tournament legal) to win.
i don't care if the metagame is antiquated now; M2K and Strawhat have nothing on this. this is back when this matchup required thought, not a formula for the perfect 0-death chainthrow. And Ken must be credited with the origins of that anyway.
@Doomblazedagreat93 No Metagame didnt change, Ken was just a Master Chain Grabber, Mango doesnt even have the best falco in the US. Im pretty sure its PC chris, followed closely by Da Shiz.
@Saturi PC isn't that great anymore . Shiz is probably the best Falco and although Mango probably has a better falco, it's just because he's hella good overall, it doesn't really have anything to do with falco .
It's not that simple lol. If he DIs then he can get tipper fsmashed(which is like 20 damage) and risks getting edge guarded. If he doesn't DI then he gets grabbed again, but ken might mess up his chain grab.
It's amazing how ken chaingrabbing changes the match from being even to a two stock fight.
i'm not talking about di-ing out of the cg, though he could do that. But when ken fsmashes him, he could at least try to DI. a tippered fsmash shoudln't be able to send a falco that far off the stage
guys, with all the chain grabbing from ken, BS should've known it was going to come. So he should've spot dodged. By the first 30 seconds, he souldve been able to predict this all easily, and ken has proved himself to be best in the world. Jeez
not hugely. for one, grabs aren't something you should be getting on someone who has a first frame move that ends frame 4. even if you do get grabbed its only like 50% as long as you know how to DI.
if falco laser camps on this stage, marth has very limited options to approach. he can wavedash around in his shield or he can jump over the lasers. both situations favor falco, though a smart player will still win.
for every other character i would agree, but Marth's grabs seem to have insanely long range that extends further than his the reach of his arm. You should watch mew2king playing marth on FD against any space animal. It is rape.
Also, if the Marth executes the chain grab correctly there is pretty much nothing you can do. It is pretty much the stock. No amount of DI can save you from it. DI only saves you if the marth messes up.
his grab is big. as a fox or falco you have to make sure he cant grab you. that means spacing your moves on his shield (as falco, fox doesn't have to) and not leaving yourself open on the ground.
if the grab happens, there are a bunch of things you can do. if you DONT DI eventually they will mess up the timing (even m2k does sometimes). when the utilts start DI behind marth and you will be able to tech before he can continue the combo. now you're out of it
If you watch, the chaingrab is no more or less lame than bombsoldier's combos. They do about the same amount of damage. Marth's is easier to carry farther or to death, but Falco has much better stage control. All in all, it's a very fair matchup, and you can't complain about Marth's chainthrow without complaining about Falco's advantages too.
Ya trust me, I know about Falcos cheaps too. My mains are Marth and Samus, but I try not to chaingrab too much. All in all I find Marth has an advantage to Falco just because of Falcos crappy off stage recovery.
Yeah, it is easy to gimp Falco. Grabbing a good Falco player is no easy task though, between the lasers and the shine. Plus, Falco has control of where the fight takes place. If Marth is standing by the ledge, DON'T approach him, and you'll rarely get gimped.
if you are gonna complain about marth's chaingrabbing, then you might as well complain about every single character in the game. Sheik can chain grab ness. DK can chain grab fox. (watch captain jack). Chain grabbing isnt cheap. Its a part of the game.
Though, when it comes down to it the only reason Ken was chaingrabbing Bombsoldier is because Bombsoldier really owned Ken hard. And Ken had the upper hand using Marth =/
@Nakedguy01 oh come on, you have to admit it is a little cheap, especially when you keep doing it on the frequency marth was doing it, i mean, you can't even really play if the other person keeps chain grabbing you, and the chain grabber can pretty much keep doing it until either the other person dies, or he gets bored of it. Also, a 3 or 4 way chain grab is ok, 5, so so, but 6 or 7, thats a bit too far. I know it is part of the game, like camping in halo, but sometimes, you can take it too far.
@FleshMan7063 Only scrubs complain about cging being cheap. It's avoidable before, and during the actual cging. So no complaining. It's become a basic element of the game.
@FleshMan7063 First of all this was Grand Finals- you're not going to stop doing something just because some people consider it "cheap". Also, they were playing for a lot of money. They are various other arguements I could make but who gives a fuck, right?
How is a chain grab for pussies when the better character in general is Falco? Without chain grabs, marth is completely horrible vs falco. Ever heard of "Play to Win?"
This is also an old ass video from 2006, no one does this anymore since Marth's aren't seen nearly as much. By the way, using the word "ain't" and saying worst won't make your claims better.
@GCLU im not trying to claim better or even trying to argue with any of you guys...
i totally wouldnt care less about "melee"...
but what i meant saying "chain grab is for pussies" is that using that "sttrategy" everytime its pretty gay and shows no imagination or creativity at all...
reminder: im not trying to argue is just my point of view and anything u could say wont change it.
@Uzzielli Your point of view is ignorant and uninformed. You realize that Falco exerts more control in this matchup and gets more opportunities? You realize that Falco actually combos Marth very well and can rack up damage faster and more easily? You realize that chain grabs are actually pretty difficult and that if you tried it, you would probably drop it after your second grab and then get raped? You realize that you don't know what you're talking about and just being a little bitch?
@Uzzielli It's not routine fighting against someone different, different people who have different styles to how they play. Saying none of the people who play at tournaments aren't skilled is quite stupid.
@xAzZuCiPS i aint said people ALL the people at torunaments arent skilled, i said marth/ken is not skilled... maybe he is talented as he has been practicing the very exact moves many hours XD and it doesn't really matter if he play against a cpu or against a really good player.. he's uses the same gameplay against everyone XD
My original response and his original response were from a month ago. I did not use the list from 2006 due to this reason but rather the newer lists. The Marth-Falco matchup was similarly bad without CG's anyway in 2006.
Also, a tier list doesn't determine all matchups. Marth might be higher rated on the old list but Falco is overall much better in the matchup without chain grabs.
My brother always complain about me using marth's crabs, but quess what? Grabbing is his meta-game. That and the infamous Ken-combo. Yes, Marth is a really "lame-o" char, a "Noob" char, but he's damn fun to play.
As for Falco he got his pillering, lasers, gay spike,..
And for some of you, Ken is no where a noob spammer, I'm not a fanboy, but he plays so clean, almost never does something wrong.
i agree , no char is nub, just play style, but imo marth chain grab is easier to pull of than falco's shine to spike combo, to play a pro falco u need to be FAST, marth is more about presicion which i consider a bit less challenging, however, im not sayin neither of them r cheap chars, and also do whatever u need to do in order to win, thats all that matters in a tourney..
If he was no match then BS would have won. Falco players only shine to spike to make damage so what? It's called metagame. Grabbing is one of Marth's strengths. Get along with it.
alot of people complain on most of the top tier characters......fox can kill u wit a shine off the edge even while ur at 0, marth and his gay chaingrab, long ass grabbing range, and 329523 ft plastic sword, falco wit his lasers, and sheik wit her gay combos and gay needles....y shouldnt people have anything to complain about...havent u people noticed that the game wasnt made perfectly when it came out bak in 01? >_>
You can chaingrab from 0-20 and once they reach 20 they can DI away or shine you so from 20-30 you have to pivot grab or else your gonna get shined( I don't know hwo to pivot so once they reach 20% i just u tilt to grab reset if I can or I just follw up the u tilt with whatever is nesscary.)
To all the stupid people complaining about chaingrabs, all Bombsoldier had to do was to not get grabbed. Simple as that, but he didn't space well enough, and well Ken is a beast. So if u don't wanna get chaingrabbed, don't get grabbed.
lol chaingrabbing.
tquizz 1 week ago
Why did they play Final Destination for the remainder of the set?
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juiey2 3 months ago
Lol, why are there so many bitches whining to each other under my comment? You guys take shit too seriously.
MaggotF0rLife 3 months ago
Ken is such a cheap-ass pussy with his chain grabs.
MaggotF0rLife 6 months ago
@MaggotF0rLife yet u wouldnt be able to do it..... each player is allowed to use whatever techniques they want retard
mrgoodfight14 5 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 There was no need to call me a retard.
MaggotF0rLife 5 months ago
@MaggotF0rLife he's always hating you just gatta ignore em.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 and there was no need to people cheap ass pussys either just saying
mrgoodfight14 5 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 Lol, you replied to your own comment. Also, that sentence made no sense.
MaggotF0rLife 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 agreed, especially wave dashing I think we can all agree everyone finds that useful.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 if everyone could do it they would find it useful... look how much they do it in this game, your sarcasm is not wanted here.... yo come over today
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 Highlight the points when they do it I'm not in the mood to watch melee game play, also i'll come over if we play brawl.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 its a proven fact that melee takes more skill just saying..... whatever i'll just spam arrows with pit if we play brawl
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 I can see that happening spamming is all you're good at after all.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 in brawl yes becasue thats all you needlook at a pro brawl game and you'll see
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@FMafia206 spamming is key in braawl
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 lololololol I rest my case son.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 you have no case. melee involves more technical skill brawl involves camping in a given area and spamming ( theres nothing wrong with this however i dont like it and many others dont". brawl is more tactical, but melee is more agressive. we'll settle it at thier both different :)
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 they're both different? wow I can see the educations system didn't fail to provide you with that 3rd grade logic...obviously they are different they're 2 different games LOL. Also read my comments carefully I never once said that melee doesn't involve more technical skill cause it does. Melee is probably requires more tactics than brawl too, I just like brawl cause it has better looking maps, more characters, and it brings something new as opposed to play the same game from 2001.
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 the education joke was uncalled for and stupid. also you have said countless times " melee takes no skill " , " brawl takes more skill " and things like that. and brawl has more characters! " congratulations you can count! want a golden star besides your name? also ur sarcastic comment degrading aspects of melee sparked this debate
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@mrgoodfight14 If I did say that melee takes no skill I was obviously trolling. I played before you have trust I know it takes more skill you're just too easy to piss off so I say it. Also LOL 'it was uncalled for' did I hurt your feelings? Also was the joke stupid or are you just too stupid to understand the sarcasm behind it? Also I'm better than you at soccer, and long distance running....LOLOLOL
FMafia206 4 months ago
@FMafia206 the last sentence.... ur a funny kid
mrgoodfight14 4 months ago
@MaggotF0rLife ken is king..
cross25011990 4 months ago
@cross25011990 Not if Isai had taken every tournament seriously.
MaggotF0rLife 4 months ago
@MaggotF0rLife
Since when chaingrabs are ilegal?
Falco against marth, there's nothing much marth can do against falco.
here are some pro tips for you
1. Watch other ken videos
2. Learn ''MATCHUPS''
3. Try to wonder where the words KEN COMBO came from
juiey2 3 months ago
@juiey2 Lol, why would you get so butthurt over that comment? I've done all those steps a long time ago. Here are some pro tips for you.
1. Try not to take everything to serious.
2. Don't bitch all the time.
3. Don't try to put words other people's mouths.
QQ Moar Pl0x! kthxbai!
MaggotF0rLife 3 months ago
@MaggotF0rLife
If it wasn't for real, why you didn't just shut the fuck up? falco is the biggest counterpick for marth because he has insane range lasers that can keep stage control for the whole match! marth chaingrabs are EXTREMELY significant to this matchup, and there's nothing much that marth can do instead of this.
You think you know melee, son? go win over 50.000 thousand dollars over melee championships, like ken, aka the ''pussy'', did.
juiey2 3 months ago
@juiey2 You first. Don't be a bitch.
MaggotF0rLife 3 months ago
I can just imagine Ken's face when he found out Falco has a chain grab of his own in Brawl.
Wargreymon2008 8 months ago
@Wargreymon2008
Ken can take anything, and brawl is ridiculous.
juiey2 6 months ago
Would someone care to explain WTF HAPPENED AT 1:20 !?!?
TehNsider 9 months ago
@TehNsider It's called a ledge tech. You DI into the stage when youre going to get edgeguarded like that and then you tech the bounce into the wall using L or R
meepyderp 8 months ago
Wow, amazing ledge tech at 1:21. I've GOT to get that down!!
Reddragoon100 9 months ago
this game was good for its time had a lot of fun with it while it lasted. brawl just isnt the same ..
bntns 1 year ago
@bntns Yeah it's not as quick paced as Melee, but hey there is a quite a bit of cool things to Brawl as well.
ILMxKenny 1 year ago
lol marth is homo.
samkisam 1 year ago
@samkisam ur homo
0x0Muldal0x0 1 year ago
What exactly happened at 1:20? How did Bomb cancel the knockback from the smash like that? Like what buttons do you press?
(Casual desperately trying to be pro here)
LittleGiant12 1 year ago
@LittleGiant12 what you witnessed is a ledge tech. all you gotta do is press L or R. Sometimes you need to smash DI towards the stage to get it. It's the least reliable of all techs because you basically have to tech the instant they hit you.
x8swift8x 1 year ago
Man, as an old competitive melee player, I see these matches and I have to give a nod to how far the game has come since these matches. Still, I remember my friend telling me these vids were up on a DC++ link on smashboards and going over to his house to watch and being completely awestruck. Great times. I wish we still had a scene. . .
bishiknight 1 year ago
ouch... Bombsoldier lost. After winning the 1st 2 rounds.
But yeah KEN played very well
ScizorTheOverlord 1 year ago
bombsoldier is an idiot for going back here for the 3rd time in a row
Siglemic 1 year ago
Holy Shit. And people have been saying that Falco is broken~ if that's the case, then Marth is top-tier. You might as well be cheating using Marth, except that anyone can use him.
stretchypants123 1 year ago
OptimusLime |18 mai 2006 Match five of the popular Jack Garden Tournament Finals.Catégorie :DivertissementTags :super smash brothers melee jgt match one ken marth bombsoldier falco jack garden tournament
RiADFAZZi13 1 year ago
1:20 was FUCKING EPIC!!
ztheking11 1 year ago 24
@ztheking11 It really was. I wouldve got pwned lul
qwertyabsurd 1 year ago
@ztheking11 yeeeah, dem japs pulls off some crazy shit cause they have a robotic understanding of the game's mechanics. too pro tho
Mycological 10 months ago
Also: the second you call ANYTHING cheap, you have just become a scrub.
PlayerPandu 1 year ago 4
I'm so sick of people who think it's proper etiquette or something to hold back on combos or chaingrabs. This is competitive play, people. If you purposely choose not to do everything you possibly can, you don't deserve to win a tournament. Furthermore, If you really could chaingrab whenever you want for however long you wanted, ken would have done it, the match would have been over in 60 seconds and fox and falco would be a lot lower on the tier list. Just don't get grabbed for christ's sake...
PlayerPandu 1 year ago
IDK why people complain about ken CGing. At that high level play, anything is accepted to win that is within normal game standards.
Also on a side note, Bombsoldier has a pretty slow falco compared to others but Ken is a slow player to.
TheYoungVirus 1 year ago
to all the people that think it's cheap to chain grab:
grabs do not that much damage so a chain grab of 6+ grabs do pretty much the same amount of damage as falco does with his great shine combos.
every character has his advantages and disadvantages and marth just has the best grab range.also remember that these chain-grabs aren't that easy to do when your opponent knows how to DI properly.it's not like ken is getting free hits without any effort :P
BtTmudi 1 year ago
Check out that fast recovery at 1:21!
JusAnotherStoner 1 year ago
Bombsoldiers mistake was choosing fd...repeatedly.
wijayaratnam 1 year ago
I like how people say Ken is cheap just by chain-throwing a Falco. This is for competition. You are supposed to win. Use cheap tactics (that are tournament legal) to win.
Fossul 1 year ago
0:00 - 0:15 . -.-
PerseveranteBr 1 year ago
chaingrabbing is one of the many reasons i get hard watchin these vids
e69alpha 1 year ago
I wonder what they average for BTM (buttons per minute)
nithorium 1 year ago
i don't care if the metagame is antiquated now; M2K and Strawhat have nothing on this. this is back when this matchup required thought, not a formula for the perfect 0-death chainthrow. And Ken must be credited with the origins of that anyway.
goateeguy11221122 1 year ago
@goateeguy11221122
Yes. Because matches now a days take no thought.
And you always have the option to 0-death chain grab.
Oh wait, not all stages are FD, and you're dumb.
knihThink 1 year ago
stop complaining about the DI this is 2006 okay
mentalrectangle 1 year ago
@mentalrectangle You do realize people were saying Bombsoldier's DI was bad even back in 2006, right?
Protoguy1 1 year ago
@Protoguy1 his DI is bad and his SHL were rather high and he used way too much up air and he got grabbed
which is why the metagame advanced to the point where high level falcos can beat m2k
and theres a little chip in each gamecube used in a tournament that doesnt let anyone shield grab mango's falco ;-)
Doomblazedagreat93 1 year ago 2
@Doomblazedagreat93 No Metagame didnt change, Ken was just a Master Chain Grabber, Mango doesnt even have the best falco in the US. Im pretty sure its PC chris, followed closely by Da Shiz.
Saturi 1 year ago
@Saturi PC isn't that great anymore . Shiz is probably the best Falco and although Mango probably has a better falco, it's just because he's hella good overall, it doesn't really have anything to do with falco .
BloodyHowlingX 1 year ago
i wish ken wouldnt be so c heap
DiamondBackBrawlers 1 year ago
lol. whenever ken gets a grab, its all over. comeon bombsoldier. at least try to DI
jxw6762 1 year ago
It's not that simple lol. If he DIs then he can get tipper fsmashed(which is like 20 damage) and risks getting edge guarded. If he doesn't DI then he gets grabbed again, but ken might mess up his chain grab.
It's amazing how ken chaingrabbing changes the match from being even to a two stock fight.
marsdMP 1 year ago
i'm not talking about di-ing out of the cg, though he could do that. But when ken fsmashes him, he could at least try to DI. a tippered fsmash shoudln't be able to send a falco that far off the stage
jxw6762 1 year ago
Yeah when you di away from a marth and get tippered you go pretty far.
marsdMP 1 year ago
0:14. Yea ur gona go far, but not that far. even if he coudln't smash DI, he could regular DI it
jxw6762 1 year ago
guys, with all the chain grabbing from ken, BS should've known it was going to come. So he should've spot dodged. By the first 30 seconds, he souldve been able to predict this all easily, and ken has proved himself to be best in the world. Jeez
TaiboloVince 1 year ago
or maybe pick a place with platforms so you cant get chain grabbed?
harveythelobsterzbak 1 year ago
You do realize that a grab bs Marth is death anyway. Whether you're a spacy or freaking puff well..maybe not puff
billybeegoodusuck 1 year ago
pinches agarres del mart !!! namas asi puede
TheGinacarano 1 year ago
Ken needed to do the cheapest shit he could to win. Bombsoldier is too good.
jthe123 2 years ago
It's Bombsolider fault for being caught in the rape...
lionheart99 1 year ago
Soldier*
No disrepect towards him though...
lionheart99 1 year ago
1:20 holy shit man that was sick
arshinisgay 2 years ago
Bombsoldier is better than Ken at SSBM
er124656 2 years ago
is that why he lost>.>
Simpleborrego 2 years ago
all ken does is grab, grab, grab
er124656 2 years ago
cant he counter it like m2k? i thought so
Simpleborrego 2 years ago
bombsoldier is still way more skilled than ken. ken is a good tourny player, i'll give him that.
er124656 2 years ago
Chaingrabbing is hard, guise.
MercuryClock 1 year ago
Awesome! But I hate chain grabbing
NintendoxFighter 2 years ago 2
BS is good but his approach is woefully predicatble in this vid. any decent smasher would see the holes in his play
jungshin87 2 years ago
jab- cg 0 to death *
blackjo007 2 years ago
ready? GO! cg 0 to death
blackjo007 2 years ago
Those chaingrabs were rape.
both players played good though.
Mattpwnslevel70s 2 years ago
1:20 - 1:26 OH MY FUCKING GOD, Bombsoldier, that was a epic sexy recover
RyuDragonMS 2 years ago 4
ahh yes! ledge tech ftw!
Cheeseball007ftw 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i was searching for Ken vs Falco (Fist of the North Star 2 tv show) and this gayness pops up
fuck smush bruvers
ninjachipzanuff 2 years ago
Ken's chaingrabs are fucking dirty, damn.
IDIEININIIS 2 years ago
anyone complaining about chaingrabs should remember BS was a dumbass to CP this stage again.
dinhotheone 2 years ago 3
lol bs counter picked this hahaha. i know it's falcos best level but against marth... that's just stupid
tunawrangler1 2 years ago
this entire set was played on FD was it not?
PM2GonZaLes 2 years ago
One game was played on Dreamland. BS won.
RadicallyDreaming 2 years ago
Not to mention a dumbass for never DI-ing those fsmashes at 60%.
RadicallyDreaming 2 years ago
0:00 - 0:15 = RAPE.
Ayunnuya 2 years ago 52
People complaining about chaingrabs here have seen nothing yet.. just watch ice-climbers in SSB "B-word"...
0%-> death combo as soon as they get a grab.. that's broken. the skilled players doesn't mess it up either.. as soon as they get the grab it's over...
but this this is skills! What Ken is doing isn't piece of cake! It's not broken if you compare it to the pillaring possibilities of Falco either.
wizimaster 2 years ago 5
I am so impressed by these oldschool smashers. those were the golden days of melee.
Toobz88 2 years ago 2
Ken had an advantage in that the Marth vs spacies matchup on FD is hugely in marth's favor.
fortunecookiepalace 2 years ago
not hugely. for one, grabs aren't something you should be getting on someone who has a first frame move that ends frame 4. even if you do get grabbed its only like 50% as long as you know how to DI.
if falco laser camps on this stage, marth has very limited options to approach. he can wavedash around in his shield or he can jump over the lasers. both situations favor falco, though a smart player will still win.
Sveet 2 years ago 5
for every other character i would agree, but Marth's grabs seem to have insanely long range that extends further than his the reach of his arm. You should watch mew2king playing marth on FD against any space animal. It is rape.
Also, if the Marth executes the chain grab correctly there is pretty much nothing you can do. It is pretty much the stock. No amount of DI can save you from it. DI only saves you if the marth messes up.
fortunecookiepalace 2 years ago
his grab is big. as a fox or falco you have to make sure he cant grab you. that means spacing your moves on his shield (as falco, fox doesn't have to) and not leaving yourself open on the ground.
if the grab happens, there are a bunch of things you can do. if you DONT DI eventually they will mess up the timing (even m2k does sometimes). when the utilts start DI behind marth and you will be able to tech before he can continue the combo. now you're out of it
BS doesnt/didnt know how to DI. FACT
Sveet 2 years ago
Lol, this is so hilariously wrong.
RadicallyDreaming 2 years ago
lol...
BrandonOwnageKing 2 years ago
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... all ken did was chain grab i think bomb soldier should of won
shiny412 2 years ago
ya, kens a little bitch
bosomfondler 2 years ago
If he should have won then he would have.
RadicallyDreaming 2 years ago
thanks for replying to a 3month comment
shiny412 2 years ago
I just replied to a 3 month old comment
tuPHwUn 1 year ago
Needs moar counterpicks
Magnawulf 2 years ago
good match, ken was acting like a little bitch tho
bosomfondler 2 years ago
hardly.
fliperotchy 2 years ago
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chain grabbing is so lame
bosomfondler 2 years ago
If you watch, the chaingrab is no more or less lame than bombsoldier's combos. They do about the same amount of damage. Marth's is easier to carry farther or to death, but Falco has much better stage control. All in all, it's a very fair matchup, and you can't complain about Marth's chainthrow without complaining about Falco's advantages too.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago 2
Ya trust me, I know about Falcos cheaps too. My mains are Marth and Samus, but I try not to chaingrab too much. All in all I find Marth has an advantage to Falco just because of Falcos crappy off stage recovery.
bosomfondler 2 years ago
Yeah, it is easy to gimp Falco. Grabbing a good Falco player is no easy task though, between the lasers and the shine. Plus, Falco has control of where the fight takes place. If Marth is standing by the ledge, DON'T approach him, and you'll rarely get gimped.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago 4
I'm pretty sure Japan played FD/DL64 Only
Tsuraga 2 years ago 2
Epic chaingrabbing was epic
xbombr 2 years ago
1:23 woah... sick ^^ falco was better imo
Tsukizukun 2 years ago
why did bomb keep counterpicking fdi wonder, he had already lost there twice
Zialox 2 years ago
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f*** ken. beat this bastard with bruiser... (bowser)
XothisisnotrealoX 2 years ago
People don't seem to realize that Falco's pillaring can be just as effective, if not more, as Marth's chaingrabbing.
nahor88 2 years ago
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Bomb is way better, the only reason Ken won was because of the chain-grab... although I'm not saying he wasn't allowed to use it.
armageddal 2 years ago
everyone needs to stop bitching about ken chaingrabbing bombsoldier
if it was a problem to bombsoldier he would have counterpicked with a stage that has platforms to prevent chaingrabbing
systemofadownfan911 2 years ago
if you are gonna complain about marth's chaingrabbing, then you might as well complain about every single character in the game. Sheik can chain grab ness. DK can chain grab fox. (watch captain jack). Chain grabbing isnt cheap. Its a part of the game.
Nakedguy01 2 years ago 15
Which most wasnt intended to be in the game. :\
Though, when it comes down to it the only reason Ken was chaingrabbing Bombsoldier is because Bombsoldier really owned Ken hard. And Ken had the upper hand using Marth =/
RayOxide 2 years ago
@Nakedguy01 oh come on, you have to admit it is a little cheap, especially when you keep doing it on the frequency marth was doing it, i mean, you can't even really play if the other person keeps chain grabbing you, and the chain grabber can pretty much keep doing it until either the other person dies, or he gets bored of it. Also, a 3 or 4 way chain grab is ok, 5, so so, but 6 or 7, thats a bit too far. I know it is part of the game, like camping in halo, but sometimes, you can take it too far.
FleshMan7063 1 year ago
@FleshMan7063 Only scrubs complain about cging being cheap. It's avoidable before, and during the actual cging. So no complaining. It's become a basic element of the game.
BoomyXialijian 1 year ago
@FleshMan7063 First of all this was Grand Finals- you're not going to stop doing something just because some people consider it "cheap". Also, they were playing for a lot of money. They are various other arguements I could make but who gives a fuck, right?
LushLahti 1 year ago
@LushLahti agreed
FleshMan7063 1 year ago
@Nakedguy01 the movement joystick is cheap too get a hold of that people.
stubidboy 1 year ago
@Nakedguy01 the fact that some characters do chain grab doesnt changes the fact that its for pussies
Uzzielli 1 year ago
@Uzzielli
cool story bro.
You do know falco is considered better regardless?
GCLU 1 year ago
@GCLU i aint said marth is better or that falco is worst than marth... so chain grab is for pussies
Uzzielli 1 year ago
@Uzzielli
How is a chain grab for pussies when the better character in general is Falco? Without chain grabs, marth is completely horrible vs falco. Ever heard of "Play to Win?"
This is also an old ass video from 2006, no one does this anymore since Marth's aren't seen nearly as much. By the way, using the word "ain't" and saying worst won't make your claims better.
GCLU 1 year ago
@GCLU im not trying to claim better or even trying to argue with any of you guys...
i totally wouldnt care less about "melee"...
but what i meant saying "chain grab is for pussies" is that using that "sttrategy" everytime its pretty gay and shows no imagination or creativity at all...
reminder: im not trying to argue is just my point of view and anything u could say wont change it.
Uzzielli 1 year ago
@Uzzielli Your point of view is ignorant and uninformed. You realize that Falco exerts more control in this matchup and gets more opportunities? You realize that Falco actually combos Marth very well and can rack up damage faster and more easily? You realize that chain grabs are actually pretty difficult and that if you tried it, you would probably drop it after your second grab and then get raped? You realize that you don't know what you're talking about and just being a little bitch?
RadicallyDreaming 1 year ago
@RadicallyDreaming just for your knowledge, i wouldnt care less about this game..
1 I play xbox now
2 this game is really old.. and it got me bored..
3 what i said is: Marth shows no creativity or imagination at all, its not even about skills, its only how long you have been practicing..
so there you go.. have fun.. and chill out menz
Uzzielli 1 year ago
@Uzzielli Lol Marth requires plenty of creativity, possibly more than Falco, since he has to improvise his combos more than other characters.
So like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
RadicallyDreaming 1 year ago
@Uzzielli You acquire skills by practicing, so you don't know what you yourself is saying -___________-
xAzZuCiPS 6 months ago
@xAzZuCiPS ill back up my comment..
there's no skill, thats just a rutin of something he have been practicing...
for me, someone skilled is someone who gives a great show, not only kills, maybe thats why i don't like tournaments..
Uzzielli 6 months ago
@Uzzielli It's not routine fighting against someone different, different people who have different styles to how they play. Saying none of the people who play at tournaments aren't skilled is quite stupid.
xAzZuCiPS 6 months ago
@xAzZuCiPS i aint said people ALL the people at torunaments arent skilled, i said marth/ken is not skilled... maybe he is talented as he has been practicing the very exact moves many hours XD and it doesn't really matter if he play against a cpu or against a really good player.. he's uses the same gameplay against everyone XD
Uzzielli 6 months ago
@Uzzielli "ken is not skilled"
oh man ahahahahaha i almost cursed you out until i realized that you're trolling
spectraljew 6 months ago
@Uzzielli I barely realize you meant that, having read the entire conversation now. I'm sorry
xAzZuCiPS 6 months ago
@GCLU in 2006 marth was higher than falco in the tier list. It went sheik fox marth falco.
x8swift8x 1 year ago
@x8swift8x
My original response and his original response were from a month ago. I did not use the list from 2006 due to this reason but rather the newer lists. The Marth-Falco matchup was similarly bad without CG's anyway in 2006.
Also, a tier list doesn't determine all matchups. Marth might be higher rated on the old list but Falco is overall much better in the matchup without chain grabs.
GCLU 1 year ago
im not gonna say ken shoudnt have CG'd cuz he was in a major tournament but if he did that in friendlys that woul piss me off.
noobmen007 2 years ago
Ken=chain grabs and F-smash.
Anyone can do that.
And everyone knows that its true.
SasukeItachixX 2 years ago
u forgot the up-tilt in between the cg
Nakedguy01 2 years ago
Then go out there and do it. Fuck you complaining about.
mx0670 2 years ago
then how come I don't see you winning tournaments
Xolomilco 2 years ago
Hold on, watch how Ken took Bombsoldier's first stock and tell me again how F-smash and chain grabbing isn't cheap.
SasukeItachixX 2 years ago
Fox / Falco can Shine out of the Chaingrab early on...
This was BS's stage pick.. He could have picked a stage with platforms to anti-chaingrab.
He picked this stage probably just to laser camp..
YaLoonSmells 2 years ago
Oh yeah that's true. sorry
SasukeItachixX 2 years ago
I think BS was better on this round, even if Ken cged him (I'm not complaining about cgs), he did a nice comeback
I was disappointed when I saw ken won only with gc, not because it's easy to do, because it's boring to watch and to do.
Last two matches were just boring.
Don't forget, Falco > all
D4rkounet 2 years ago 3
ken>>the world
sugashane18 2 years ago
I've always wondered what happens at 1:22
What IS that? Could anyone explain what Falco did?
0ddler 2 years ago
edge teched the smash, then falco's side b to get back on ledge
ro0sh1 2 years ago
My brother always complain about me using marth's crabs, but quess what? Grabbing is his meta-game. That and the infamous Ken-combo. Yes, Marth is a really "lame-o" char, a "Noob" char, but he's damn fun to play.
As for Falco he got his pillering, lasers, gay spike,..
And for some of you, Ken is no where a noob spammer, I'm not a fanboy, but he plays so clean, almost never does something wrong.
Livetokill123456 2 years ago
i agree , no char is nub, just play style, but imo marth chain grab is easier to pull of than falco's shine to spike combo, to play a pro falco u need to be FAST, marth is more about presicion which i consider a bit less challenging, however, im not sayin neither of them r cheap chars, and also do whatever u need to do in order to win, thats all that matters in a tourney..
Oleozen 2 years ago
Hurrai, someone who is smart:)
Marth is more mind-games, Falco is more technical, that's my conclusion :)
Livetokill123456 2 years ago
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ken coward noob !!! he use only grabs to make damage !!! NOOB and also COWARD. Ur no Match 4 BombSoldier
genitourinario 2 years ago
If he was no match then BS would have won. Falco players only shine to spike to make damage so what? It's called metagame. Grabbing is one of Marth's strengths. Get along with it.
Yellowcard00 2 years ago 2
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ken camper noob just waiting for come and grab
izqwerty 2 years ago
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marths grab are so easy of do and gays, falco here is a better player here, marth is a grab abuser noob.
tomaspepino 2 years ago
i miss bombsoldier i haven't see a recent vid from him playing melee... only brawl :(
eva017 2 years ago
alot of people complain on most of the top tier characters......fox can kill u wit a shine off the edge even while ur at 0, marth and his gay chaingrab, long ass grabbing range, and 329523 ft plastic sword, falco wit his lasers, and sheik wit her gay combos and gay needles....y shouldnt people have anything to complain about...havent u people noticed that the game wasnt made perfectly when it came out bak in 01? >_>
prtorrential101 2 years ago
I still find it pretty hard to CG, a lot of times I miss the grabs after the first up throw, probably doing something wrong, anyone know?
Do you have to dash cancel in between the grabs?
thx
winter4ice 2 years ago
Just time them right. You should JC them though... i heard something about that Marth doesn't need JC-grabs, but it works great for me.
DemoniqueTrance 2 years ago
You can chaingrab from 0-20 and once they reach 20 they can DI away or shine you so from 20-30 you have to pivot grab or else your gonna get shined( I don't know hwo to pivot so once they reach 20% i just u tilt to grab reset if I can or I just follw up the u tilt with whatever is nesscary.)
johnniapplec 2 years ago
To all the stupid people complaining about chaingrabs, all Bombsoldier had to do was to not get grabbed. Simple as that, but he didn't space well enough, and well Ken is a beast. So if u don't wanna get chaingrabbed, don't get grabbed.
Pikachu3456789 2 years ago
nobody complains about falcon being TOO epic
Or Sheik being the Combo Goddess
Chaingrabs arent as easy to do in this game as people make out, unlike the forbidden-game-im-not-allowed-to-mention-in-a-melee-vid
KillKing12 2 years ago 2