Prime Example of SH*T HAPPENS. sometimes whatever can go wrong will! but these guys reacted quickly and nothing else appeared to be damaged. the truck on fire was a loss b4 they got there as most vehicle fires are.
Maybe add more gasoline to the fire to speed up the loss of the vehicle and then take a sledge to the front of the pumper to complete the night. Chocking wheels, using foam, placement of first on engine are basic tactics of firefighting. Seems to me they were drunk or sleep walking.
@ffjsb are you even a firefighter because if you were you would know that water spreads fuel all over the ground and into the air so yes you do have to use foam
@oreo10111 30 years in the service Cookie. Yes foam is nice, but hardly neccesary. You must not have been around very long, nobody had foam 20-30 years ago. The fuel tanks on vehicles rarely ruptures, it's mostly contained in the tanks. Look at most of the car fire videos on YouTube and you will see most are using water.
@ffjsb my department has a 1982 pierce lance with a foam system on it and the previous truck a 1970 had a foam system on it to. it is my departments regulation and its the same regulation in all the departments around because back in the 90s the cleveland fire department was using water on a cor fire when the tank ruptured sending a mix of flaming water and fuel everywhere thats why its better to use foam even if it doesnt look like it will rupture it always can
@oreo10111 Like I said, foam IS nice, if you have it. My VFD has it, my Career dept. only has a Foam pro, which we only use if we have to. BTW, I wouldn't say flaming water, it's an oxymoron.
'82 Pierce? Time to upgrade? Probably a nice truck, but time to upgrade your ISO rating.
@ffjsb the 82 is an emergency truck i dont even think its been on a call in the past 6 or 7 years. we have a 96 lance and an 05 quantum both by pierce
This is a great training video for never assume. While I wont say the engine crew did anything wrong, as they did react properly this is a perfect example of Mr. Murphy showing up. Brakes failed, fire engine became exposure, fire hose compromised, water shortage, fuel spillage under fire truck.... anything else? lol.
The other thing everyone seem not to realize is that they ran out of water (which even I missed). Just about all the time you don't have to worry about this since it doesn't take much to put out a vehicle fire, but it's one more thing we all have to think about. being as calm as possible in the face of chaos can sometimes help.
And about for Foam Vs. Water... Well both could do the job, but Foam is better. Use Foam especially when you think there might be oil/fuel leak. I almost thought I was gunna see the truck and the hose catch on fire (which part of it did). Those guys are very lucky. I am pretty sure they all become experts in dealing with vehicle fires now. If they had another one, I would put them first in line.
A good training video if you ask me. Chocking the wheels seems the biggest thing which I also haven't done sometimes. They did attack the fire very quickly, but I saw three things I would of done differently.1.) parked the apparatus at the "T" 2.) lay hose on the street, not next to the vehicle. 3.) Slow down, hit that fire from afar and then move up to the attack. The other guy might of been able to get those chocks from the truck to put them in place.
Also, to the guys who flaunt their certs. Whenever I took a WEEKEND class the instructors always told me that its just a piece of paper. The only thing they are good for is moving up in the ranks, in some departments. You can have all the certs you want but if you only have a few years on the actual job you know very little. Experience is the teacher not the classroom. I'll take a guy with 20 yrs with no certs (other than basics) over a "certified FF" with only 5 yrs.
Wow!! I love everyone criticizing on a car fire. I love the "chock the wheels" "use foam" "2 on the line" comments. I've never ever chocked the wheels of a car fire but I've never had one roll on me either. Sometimes we will take a halligan to the tires but most of the time we just leave them alone. We usually have one guy on the line (only run 2 on the rig). If you can't handle a 1 3/4 by yourself find a new job. Imagine if the engine wasn't parked there, then what happens on down the street?
It's pretty easy to sit back on YouTube and quarterback this situation but truth of the matter is, none of you "bad ass" firefighters out there can predict what's going to happen on any given day on any fire. In my profession (FF), one "MAN" pulls a car line, 2 if you're pussies. 2nd FF grabs tools and assists, Captain is Safety. Did anyone get hurt? No. Wheel chalks??? NEVER in my career have I seen one crew from any dept put wheel chalks on a car fire. Subject for training? Sure, th
I could see this happening to almost anyone, good or bad crew.
Ive never chocked the wheels at a "Car-B-Que" but most of my district is flat.
Yes, attack the fire from 45 degree angles (I'll give the haters this one) but having one guy on the nozzle is common as the other guy is flaking line, one pumping, and the officer is standing back looking at the big picture.
Brakes failing, then a fuel leak igniting?
Anyone with experience has had a crappy night, at least no one was hurt.
@sellisaz these videos and the resulting comments? i think the real trick to it is not being nasty about it.
P.S. this was the first time i even commented on one of these vids and will definitely be the last. Learning opportunity? definitely. lesson learned? not worth the 3 days of replies from people that don't agree with you. ha!
@sellisaz totally agree. we've all made stupid or careless or time-wasting mistakes on the fireground, but if no one were to give constructive criticism for the benefit of ourselves as well as others, then we wouldn't learn as quickly. one of the best ways to learn is to take everything apart and break it down piece by piece so that you can take as much as you can from it. everyone criticizes the youtube coach, but how many of us can honestly answer that we've never picked something up from
@publicsafety1996 and if you're from the west coast with your "safer" tactics as you claim, which you seem to have a vast knowledge of, then maybe you'd remember that our safety comes first. OURS. why? because it helps NOBODY to create an incident within an incident as seen here. expending tools and apparatus is always counterproductive in the long run.
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Hey dipshit, tell me one thing those guys destroyed on purpose! The truck is still in service today with a small battle wound. Hose being exposed to fire or embers, oh yeah that never happens on interior firefights. Keep diggin buddy for justification.
@publicsafety1996 btw: i DO see your point about the possibility of the truck rolling into a house, as what we don't see in the video is what's down the street. it does seem to me that the street probably led into a steeper grade, which no doubt led to probably a cross-street. so who knows? maybe they parked there on purpose? but it's still one of those things that's not black and white. why? riddle me this batman: HOW are you supposed to fight a fire after you wreck your truck?
@publicsafety1996 but there is a reason that in the academy you are told as a nozzleman that you should be backing up the guy that pops a hood. playing by the book as much as possible is done because it's based on the time tested experience of thousands of firefighters. and if you take into consideration all those precautions, they are there to anticipate as many outcomes as possible. And about braveheart? look who's talking? you're the one with clips of it on your page..
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Yeah, how many times have you ever crawled in a search and rescue "Oh great teacher of ours", there's academy shit and theres real world shit, and professionals know what to flush after the academy, maybe your still stuck on it cuz nobody will hire you. And yes, I have a Braveheart video as a favorite but atleast I don't go around using terms from it! Dork!
@Publicsafety1996 when did i use terms from it? and while i agree that yes, sometimes things just aren't practical from a real world standpoint, there's still a reason it's there. real-world situations are no excuse for half-assin it.
And yes. i have done S&R. My department is combination paid/volunteer with full time residents, of which i was one (i recently moved out of state, but that's not your business). we did structural, rural, and airport firefighting.
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Real proud of ya pal, are you trying to get my approval as a legit fireman? I don't care if its your 1st week on the job or your 20th year, you don't go on a public forum and bag on your craft or how its done by others, we have and HAVE had other ways to fix and better prepare ALL firefighters, paid and volunteer, IN HOUSE! You don't go to your local media and air your dirty laundry.
@Publicsafety1996 know what? i wasn't trying to rag though i realize it did come out that way. and i was originally responding to what someone else posted. i wasn't the first to do it. in any case, yes i realize you're right there's a difference between youtube and a private FF forum. so i will eat humble pie on that one. my whole point was that there are ppl watching and even though they didn't wreck the truck, it still looks like a huge fuck up.
@Publicsafety1996 And please do remember, the only reason i brought up my "credentials" is because YOU brought them up and apparently you see me as a youtube professor, which i'm not. this is the one and only video i've commented on, because it stood out to me so much that men of a profession with higher standards that i hold myself to as well should look so sloppy. and don't tell me you don't watch youtube vids. otherwise you wouldn't be here either.
@Publicsafety1996 and that includes c-130s used by the airforce, boeing 747s, 87s, and light aircraft. we managed approximately 600 square miles, had the only technical rescue team in the county (a team i was on), and swift water rescue, along with all the EMS that obviously entails. our response area includes a stretch of interstate more than 25 miles long, and a 2 lane state road of almost 30. all highly used. you tell me what my experience is in dealing with automotive emergencies.
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Again,are you applying for a job! Well in my first due, sometimes the space shuttle orbits by my station, who cares! There is a phrase I'd like you to remember in regards to the fire service, it goes "Badasses don't tell you their Badasses". So keep your credentials to yourself, you could work in a small 500 resident town with 1 road going thru it and still possibly be in as much dangerous shit as a city FF. Remember Shanksville,Pa.
@Publicsafety1996 i wasn't going to tell you. you asked. and "you could work in a small 500 resident town with 1 road going thru it and still possibly be in as much dangerous shit as a city FF" was EXACTLY MY POINT. it WAS a tiny town.
@Publicsafety1996 oh and not to mention we had more than 4 very large industrial complexes just in my immediate station's coverage area. i couldnt tell you how many in our response area in total. there were that many. and i did just fine as a resident. doing it nearly every day and night. without the glorious pay that you get.
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Glorious pay, thats hilarious. I do this profession because I love it and because it allows me to provide and take care of my family, plus the retirement benefits. If you are able to do it for free, more power to you. I can't and will not do it for free, my time is just as important as anybodys.
@publicsafety1996 before you start calling people morons try having a civil debate. first off, i grew up and learned firefighting on the west coast. and if you read your ifsta handbook AND- in Washington state at least- the practical exam PASS OR FAIL requirements (i don't know maybe you didn't pay attention in class) it SPECIFICALLY state "attack from flanks, not from the front or sides." And no, i'm not expecting a backdraft or a flashover
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig We professionals use that term "flank" on brush and wildland fires pal. On other fires, its typically from the unburned side! Good luck handling that 1 1/2 hose line all by your wittle self. And one more thing, what kind of so called career professional firefighter comes on to some raw footage video and bags on other brother firefighters that the public can see as well? If this was a IAFF website that you had to sign in with your assigned id then I could maybe understand!
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig And your point is? I'm pretty sure the guy who goes to work to JUST be a firefighter/EMT/Paramedic is just a bit more prepared than the guy who has to leave his job as a cashier to drive to a fire station to bring some type of apparatus to an emergency. Doesn't make them a better person, just a more prepared firefighter.
@Publicsafety1996 whatever. i can handle a 2 1/2 by my "wittle" self, elmer fudd. sounds like you're forgetting that everyone, regardless of professional/volunteer status makes bonehead mistakes. IAFF guys' shit floats too. don't rest on your laurels just cause you make more money. or should we just give up now and bow before you?
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Who said anything about bowing to anyone shit head? And your the one who was bitching about one guy on a "girls" handline. 2 1/2 hoseline by yourself, although possible, with you I doubt it. And who cares about money, I don't do this for the money to get rich, just support my family. Don't give up or bow to anyone, just don't talk shit about other firefighters on a public forum. Keep all your you tube firefighting experience to yourself.
@Publicsafety1996 i meant two men on the line as a team (one with tools one with hose) see the above comment by jmoore 1024. that's what i meant sorry for not clarifying..
I, for one, spent 32 years as a career FF. I find, that after all this time, criticizing to be a poor way to teach and learn. A 10 year old child told me, when I said oops, I made a mistake, that was not a mistake, that was a learning opportunity! Learning from others L.O. should be seen as a gift, not as a chance to slam them. Who among you has not had an L.O.? How did it make you feel. As an instructor/training officer, I learned to ask the learners what worked and what didn't.
For the rock comment: This happened in Arizona where every house in the neighborhood is landscaped with rocks. Using a large rock from a nearby yard to chock the wheels is looking at the surroundings and using what you have to fix an obvious problem.
@raul1234me That was some amazing video you shot! There were definitely some things that our DMFD can take away from it...I'm just happy nobody got hurt. As a side note....I thought it was "illegal" to park over night on the street in Anthem, especially in the CC??
first why is the guy on the nozzle by himself on the attack line most of the time, while there was another FF walking around doing nothing,?!!! I dont know about where these guys got there FF1 but I was taught always 2 on the attack line minimum!!!!
second, as stated before, WHY ARE YOU NOT USING FOAM!!!!!
@sonsitdown I have been out out the academy for some time, I am well aware at times there are one guy on the nozzle, but when there are spare personnel available they can be put on the line instead of standing around and looking pretty
also i dont know about what state you are in but both departments I am on stock foam on all apparatus, one also has a foam trailer
and I am aware you do not need foam for a vehicle fire, but do to the size would be a good idea
I agree mistakes were made, but its a lot easier to be a critic than the guys there. Hell half of you guys criticizing these firefighters are spelling shit wrong, and youtube has spell check for gods sake.
@silentg245 These guys made MASSIVE mistakes that could have killed or injured someone. Most of them were obvious mistakes. If they had made a better choice of engine placement, many of their problems wouldn't happened. It's unusual for a burning vehicle to roll, so I won't fault them for that, but how they reacted was poor as they continued to ignore the obvious.
I'm not even a firefighter and I know better,,,engine compartment on fire means brake lines are also on fire.. and water on oil and other fluids?? I know they do a job that I couldn't do, but As an observer, this is pretty sad.
@204Menands Precaution for what? What is there on the ground that is going to hurt you? If there's gas you are just going to spread it. Where I come from we put water on what's burning, not what ain't. You need to cool the parts that will rupture and hurt you, sweeping the ground does nothing on a car fire. You sweep the floor in a STRUCTURE FIRE to put burning material. I have almost 30 years in the fire service 9between 18-20 THOUSAND calls) and three years of fire science, son.
@sonsitdown Well it's not a hard deduction to make that Menands is a know it all punk kid by the language he uses and obviously mixing up a tactic used for structure fires on a car fire. I've made my share of mistakes, but the crew in this video is comepletely jacked up.
@204Menands That's what you were taught, do you have any idea WHY they taught you that? Most good instructors teach their students what to do and WHY. If you can come up with a reason for sweeping the hose stream under a burning vehicle every time I'm listening.
1 if ur going down hill chock the vehicle so it doesnt move
2 position of engine sucks and weres the 360
3 if water doesnt work maybe we should use some foam or purple k food for thought come on guys u should know better then this...... what a horriable job these guys either had a bad day or just need alot of training
@ lpythonator small crew size true. but as far as i've seen, a single car fire done right shouldn't need more than 3 or 4. i came from a semi-rural department so we were always short on people. for us, 2 was callin it a short crew.
even a rookie like me should know what the hell they're doing by the time they're allowed to go on calls. they should almost know how to run calls. how else will a rookie be able to think on the fly and question whether or not something is safe before they do it? or are you old-school take orders without question? cause i doubt many instructors agree with that mentality anymore..
@sbwatson i recognize that i'm a rook. in my department, however, we had to deal with these things ourselves, very often before we had an officer or a senior on scene. and yes. I have ran my own car fires. yes. i've been there at 3 in the morning half asleep where theyve been. and yes we did our job and we did it right because my department expects a lot from its rookies. my point in expressing my lesser experience, which you obviously missed sir, is that
Also, career and volunteer, we’re all professional, and almost all of us have to deal with small crew sizes. Between cities slashing budgets and people “call-screening” I’d bet that most of us have been in a similar predicament. Considering that they only seem to have three or four people here, I say nice job getting the fire out, especially considering that the cargo and fuel all became involved as well. It’s a shitty situation that they made the best of.
First off, thanks for posting. Likewise, I'll be sure to show this the next time I teach vehicle fires at my department. Let's remember that it's always easy to Monday morning quarterback these videos. Yes, they could have chalked the wheels sooner, and taken better care to keep the hose line out of the fire, but while the terrain wasn't in their favor, they were upwind. I also agree with @cuhooliganmaceaunrig that they did a nice job shielding the scene and preventing a bigger problem.
@lpythonator2 Exactly, what you don't see is if that truck rolled about another 200' down the hill it would have slammed into a house, not only causing a vehicle into a structure, but a structure fire now on top of it. Thanks for taking notice; something can be taken from every call. I'm sure these guys took a few things and did a good job when Murphy's Law showed up and brought her team to boot.
I agree with the upwind and uphill comment, but in addition, have you ever heard of throwing down some wheel chocks? Size it up and make it safe guys! Look up Waxahachie Chemical Plant Fire for another example of poor rig placement, this one costs a dept. a 95ft tower ladder.
@GFDT561 their are a lot of more things that went wrong on that call. But to save the hummiliation yeah. Other than the dammage to the truck, they got the destroyed hose, and some messed up firefighters. Has none of them heard of a drill. they work wonders!! ;)
1) this is probably the worst car fire attack i've ever seen and offers a lot of lessons for probies to learn from.
2) the person taking the video did an excellent job catching all the details.
P.S. going back to upwind and uphill, and attacking from the flanks, note the lit fuels running down the street. i wont put the whole blame on the truckie but the driver/operator should never EVER have parked where he parked.
note also that they didn't even chock the burning truck which is the LEAST they could have done after it smashed into their truck. SCENCE SAFETY PEOPLE!!!
@jerseygiant3369 couldn't agree more. i've only been a ff1 for a yr (officially) and before i even scrolled down and read your comment i saw all those mistakes. never would have gotten away with that in my last department. what the hell ever happened to attacking from the flanks upwind and uphill lol i've been watching so many car fires on youtube and almost nobody seems to take that seriously. complacency more than anything gets ppl hurt
They only mistakes I see is they should have parked in the opposite lane of traffic and put wheel chocks under the burning vehicles wheels. Other then that, nice job.
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gtrotto911 6 hours ago
Prime Example of SH*T HAPPENS. sometimes whatever can go wrong will! but these guys reacted quickly and nothing else appeared to be damaged. the truck on fire was a loss b4 they got there as most vehicle fires are.
truckerjay1 2 days ago
Maybe add more gasoline to the fire to speed up the loss of the vehicle and then take a sledge to the front of the pumper to complete the night. Chocking wheels, using foam, placement of first on engine are basic tactics of firefighting. Seems to me they were drunk or sleep walking.
jordishriva 3 weeks ago
everything they did was right except they used water on a vehicle fire when your always supposed to use foam even if their arent signs of fuel leak
oreo10111 4 weeks ago
@oreo10111 They didn't do a damn thing right. And you DON'T have to use foam on a vehicle fire.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
@ffjsb are you even a firefighter because if you were you would know that water spreads fuel all over the ground and into the air so yes you do have to use foam
oreo10111 3 weeks ago
@oreo10111 30 years in the service Cookie. Yes foam is nice, but hardly neccesary. You must not have been around very long, nobody had foam 20-30 years ago. The fuel tanks on vehicles rarely ruptures, it's mostly contained in the tanks. Look at most of the car fire videos on YouTube and you will see most are using water.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
@ffjsb my department has a 1982 pierce lance with a foam system on it and the previous truck a 1970 had a foam system on it to. it is my departments regulation and its the same regulation in all the departments around because back in the 90s the cleveland fire department was using water on a cor fire when the tank ruptured sending a mix of flaming water and fuel everywhere thats why its better to use foam even if it doesnt look like it will rupture it always can
oreo10111 3 weeks ago
@oreo10111 Like I said, foam IS nice, if you have it. My VFD has it, my Career dept. only has a Foam pro, which we only use if we have to. BTW, I wouldn't say flaming water, it's an oxymoron.
'82 Pierce? Time to upgrade? Probably a nice truck, but time to upgrade your ISO rating.
ffjsb 3 weeks ago
@ffjsb the 82 is an emergency truck i dont even think its been on a call in the past 6 or 7 years. we have a 96 lance and an 05 quantum both by pierce
oreo10111 3 weeks ago
This is a great training video for never assume. While I wont say the engine crew did anything wrong, as they did react properly this is a perfect example of Mr. Murphy showing up. Brakes failed, fire engine became exposure, fire hose compromised, water shortage, fuel spillage under fire truck.... anything else? lol.
mathiastheok 1 month ago
@DFF711 yeah at least no one got hurt!
kawasakikx250ff 1 month ago
The other thing everyone seem not to realize is that they ran out of water (which even I missed). Just about all the time you don't have to worry about this since it doesn't take much to put out a vehicle fire, but it's one more thing we all have to think about. being as calm as possible in the face of chaos can sometimes help.
Rednose440 2 months ago
And about for Foam Vs. Water... Well both could do the job, but Foam is better. Use Foam especially when you think there might be oil/fuel leak. I almost thought I was gunna see the truck and the hose catch on fire (which part of it did). Those guys are very lucky. I am pretty sure they all become experts in dealing with vehicle fires now. If they had another one, I would put them first in line.
Rednose440 2 months ago
@Rednose440 I agree.
raul1234me 2 months ago
@Rednose440 As do I. Thanks fot the video if I didn't mention it earlier.
Weaponofmassins 1 month ago
A good training video if you ask me. Chocking the wheels seems the biggest thing which I also haven't done sometimes. They did attack the fire very quickly, but I saw three things I would of done differently.1.) parked the apparatus at the "T" 2.) lay hose on the street, not next to the vehicle. 3.) Slow down, hit that fire from afar and then move up to the attack. The other guy might of been able to get those chocks from the truck to put them in place.
Rednose440 2 months ago
@DFF711 but it could have been prevented by chocking the Wheels so it wouldnt have rolled down the hill
kawasakikx250ff 2 months ago
Also, to the guys who flaunt their certs. Whenever I took a WEEKEND class the instructors always told me that its just a piece of paper. The only thing they are good for is moving up in the ranks, in some departments. You can have all the certs you want but if you only have a few years on the actual job you know very little. Experience is the teacher not the classroom. I'll take a guy with 20 yrs with no certs (other than basics) over a "certified FF" with only 5 yrs.
ntfd125 2 months ago
Wow!! I love everyone criticizing on a car fire. I love the "chock the wheels" "use foam" "2 on the line" comments. I've never ever chocked the wheels of a car fire but I've never had one roll on me either. Sometimes we will take a halligan to the tires but most of the time we just leave them alone. We usually have one guy on the line (only run 2 on the rig). If you can't handle a 1 3/4 by yourself find a new job. Imagine if the engine wasn't parked there, then what happens on down the street?
ntfd125 2 months ago 2
@ntfd125 It runs into a house.
raul1234me 2 months ago
lol that poor fire truck! this is why you should all ways park uphill
kawasakikx250ff 2 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig I watched because it happened in my state! Period!
Publicsafety1996 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
One of the Fire fighters could have went around and flattened the tires with the pick end of the Haligan tool. Faster than chocks at the wheels
CNutz777 3 months ago
@CNutz777 good idea. like it;)
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
Any details? Location? Time? Date?
vanceb1 3 months ago
@vanceb1 Yes, Anthem Az, 5:00AM, 11/11.
raul1234me 3 months ago
@vanceb1 Yes, Anthem Az, 5:00AM, 11/11.
raul1234me 3 months ago
Everything went wrong lol
muddypowerwagon 3 months ago
what was in the truck
firefightercharles 3 months ago
@firefightercharles Tools.
raul1234me 3 months ago
@firefightercharles Water.
Luckyashiniswi 2 months ago
@publicsafety1996 Well said and probably true.
jmoore1024 3 months ago
@brc028 Actually not my crew bro nor do you know anything about me.......but we can always meet up and I can knock your teeth out?
jmoore1024 3 months ago
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brc028 3 months ago
It's pretty easy to sit back on YouTube and quarterback this situation but truth of the matter is, none of you "bad ass" firefighters out there can predict what's going to happen on any given day on any fire. In my profession (FF), one "MAN" pulls a car line, 2 if you're pussies. 2nd FF grabs tools and assists, Captain is Safety. Did anyone get hurt? No. Wheel chalks??? NEVER in my career have I seen one crew from any dept put wheel chalks on a car fire. Subject for training? Sure, th
jmoore1024 3 months ago
I could see this happening to almost anyone, good or bad crew.
Ive never chocked the wheels at a "Car-B-Que" but most of my district is flat.
Yes, attack the fire from 45 degree angles (I'll give the haters this one) but having one guy on the nozzle is common as the other guy is flaking line, one pumping, and the officer is standing back looking at the big picture.
Brakes failing, then a fuel leak igniting?
Anyone with experience has had a crappy night, at least no one was hurt.
firemedic114 3 months ago 7
@firemedic114 Well said sir!
fb5786 3 months ago
@firemedic114 Ditto...
oley619 2 months ago
@sellisaz these videos and the resulting comments? i think the real trick to it is not being nasty about it.
P.S. this was the first time i even commented on one of these vids and will definitely be the last. Learning opportunity? definitely. lesson learned? not worth the 3 days of replies from people that don't agree with you. ha!
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@sellisaz totally agree. we've all made stupid or careless or time-wasting mistakes on the fireground, but if no one were to give constructive criticism for the benefit of ourselves as well as others, then we wouldn't learn as quickly. one of the best ways to learn is to take everything apart and break it down piece by piece so that you can take as much as you can from it. everyone criticizes the youtube coach, but how many of us can honestly answer that we've never picked something up from
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@publicsafety1996 and if you're from the west coast with your "safer" tactics as you claim, which you seem to have a vast knowledge of, then maybe you'd remember that our safety comes first. OURS. why? because it helps NOBODY to create an incident within an incident as seen here. expending tools and apparatus is always counterproductive in the long run.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig And your point is? What got destroyed? Nothing!
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Publicsafety1996 my apologies... where i come from we take care of our stuff because we found it unnecessary to burn money.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Hey dipshit, tell me one thing those guys destroyed on purpose! The truck is still in service today with a small battle wound. Hose being exposed to fire or embers, oh yeah that never happens on interior firefights. Keep diggin buddy for justification.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@publicsafety1996 btw: i DO see your point about the possibility of the truck rolling into a house, as what we don't see in the video is what's down the street. it does seem to me that the street probably led into a steeper grade, which no doubt led to probably a cross-street. so who knows? maybe they parked there on purpose? but it's still one of those things that's not black and white. why? riddle me this batman: HOW are you supposed to fight a fire after you wreck your truck?
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Was the truck wrecked? Did they still put the fire out with the same truck? Yes.......
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@publicsafety1996 but there is a reason that in the academy you are told as a nozzleman that you should be backing up the guy that pops a hood. playing by the book as much as possible is done because it's based on the time tested experience of thousands of firefighters. and if you take into consideration all those precautions, they are there to anticipate as many outcomes as possible. And about braveheart? look who's talking? you're the one with clips of it on your page..
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Yeah, how many times have you ever crawled in a search and rescue "Oh great teacher of ours", there's academy shit and theres real world shit, and professionals know what to flush after the academy, maybe your still stuck on it cuz nobody will hire you. And yes, I have a Braveheart video as a favorite but atleast I don't go around using terms from it! Dork!
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 when did i use terms from it? and while i agree that yes, sometimes things just aren't practical from a real world standpoint, there's still a reason it's there. real-world situations are no excuse for half-assin it.
And yes. i have done S&R. My department is combination paid/volunteer with full time residents, of which i was one (i recently moved out of state, but that's not your business). we did structural, rural, and airport firefighting.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Real proud of ya pal, are you trying to get my approval as a legit fireman? I don't care if its your 1st week on the job or your 20th year, you don't go on a public forum and bag on your craft or how its done by others, we have and HAVE had other ways to fix and better prepare ALL firefighters, paid and volunteer, IN HOUSE! You don't go to your local media and air your dirty laundry.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos 2
@Publicsafety1996 know what? i wasn't trying to rag though i realize it did come out that way. and i was originally responding to what someone else posted. i wasn't the first to do it. in any case, yes i realize you're right there's a difference between youtube and a private FF forum. so i will eat humble pie on that one. my whole point was that there are ppl watching and even though they didn't wreck the truck, it still looks like a huge fuck up.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 And please do remember, the only reason i brought up my "credentials" is because YOU brought them up and apparently you see me as a youtube professor, which i'm not. this is the one and only video i've commented on, because it stood out to me so much that men of a profession with higher standards that i hold myself to as well should look so sloppy. and don't tell me you don't watch youtube vids. otherwise you wouldn't be here either.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 and that includes c-130s used by the airforce, boeing 747s, 87s, and light aircraft. we managed approximately 600 square miles, had the only technical rescue team in the county (a team i was on), and swift water rescue, along with all the EMS that obviously entails. our response area includes a stretch of interstate more than 25 miles long, and a 2 lane state road of almost 30. all highly used. you tell me what my experience is in dealing with automotive emergencies.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Again,are you applying for a job! Well in my first due, sometimes the space shuttle orbits by my station, who cares! There is a phrase I'd like you to remember in regards to the fire service, it goes "Badasses don't tell you their Badasses". So keep your credentials to yourself, you could work in a small 500 resident town with 1 road going thru it and still possibly be in as much dangerous shit as a city FF. Remember Shanksville,Pa.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Publicsafety1996 i wasn't going to tell you. you asked. and "you could work in a small 500 resident town with 1 road going thru it and still possibly be in as much dangerous shit as a city FF" was EXACTLY MY POINT. it WAS a tiny town.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 oh and not to mention we had more than 4 very large industrial complexes just in my immediate station's coverage area. i couldnt tell you how many in our response area in total. there were that many. and i did just fine as a resident. doing it nearly every day and night. without the glorious pay that you get.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Glorious pay, thats hilarious. I do this profession because I love it and because it allows me to provide and take care of my family, plus the retirement benefits. If you are able to do it for free, more power to you. I can't and will not do it for free, my time is just as important as anybodys.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@publicsafety1996 before you start calling people morons try having a civil debate. first off, i grew up and learned firefighting on the west coast. and if you read your ifsta handbook AND- in Washington state at least- the practical exam PASS OR FAIL requirements (i don't know maybe you didn't pay attention in class) it SPECIFICALLY state "attack from flanks, not from the front or sides." And no, i'm not expecting a backdraft or a flashover
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig We professionals use that term "flank" on brush and wildland fires pal. On other fires, its typically from the unburned side! Good luck handling that 1 1/2 hose line all by your wittle self. And one more thing, what kind of so called career professional firefighter comes on to some raw footage video and bags on other brother firefighters that the public can see as well? If this was a IAFF website that you had to sign in with your assigned id then I could maybe understand!
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 BTW, I wouldn't expext you to understand what the IAFF stands for, volunteer or jobless one!
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 volunteer or not is no measure of how professional a department's standards are.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig And your point is? I'm pretty sure the guy who goes to work to JUST be a firefighter/EMT/Paramedic is just a bit more prepared than the guy who has to leave his job as a cashier to drive to a fire station to bring some type of apparatus to an emergency. Doesn't make them a better person, just a more prepared firefighter.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Publicsafety1996 congratulations you just reiterated my point.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@Publicsafety1996 whatever. i can handle a 2 1/2 by my "wittle" self, elmer fudd. sounds like you're forgetting that everyone, regardless of professional/volunteer status makes bonehead mistakes. IAFF guys' shit floats too. don't rest on your laurels just cause you make more money. or should we just give up now and bow before you?
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig Who said anything about bowing to anyone shit head? And your the one who was bitching about one guy on a "girls" handline. 2 1/2 hoseline by yourself, although possible, with you I doubt it. And who cares about money, I don't do this for the money to get rich, just support my family. Don't give up or bow to anyone, just don't talk shit about other firefighters on a public forum. Keep all your you tube firefighting experience to yourself.
Publicsafety1996 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Publicsafety1996 i meant two men on the line as a team (one with tools one with hose) see the above comment by jmoore 1024. that's what i meant sorry for not clarifying..
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
I, for one, spent 32 years as a career FF. I find, that after all this time, criticizing to be a poor way to teach and learn. A 10 year old child told me, when I said oops, I made a mistake, that was not a mistake, that was a learning opportunity! Learning from others L.O. should be seen as a gift, not as a chance to slam them. Who among you has not had an L.O.? How did it make you feel. As an instructor/training officer, I learned to ask the learners what worked and what didn't.
sellisaz 3 months ago
For the rock comment: This happened in Arizona where every house in the neighborhood is landscaped with rocks. Using a large rock from a nearby yard to chock the wheels is looking at the surroundings and using what you have to fix an obvious problem.
sumosama 3 months ago
@raul1234me That was some amazing video you shot! There were definitely some things that our DMFD can take away from it...I'm just happy nobody got hurt. As a side note....I thought it was "illegal" to park over night on the street in Anthem, especially in the CC??
rockinzaz 3 months ago
Amazing video! Thanks for sharing and hopefully all our underappreciated FF's across our country can learn from it.
rockinzaz 3 months ago
LOL Thanks for shooting this, goes to show you us FF's cant let our guard down.
Resq28 3 months ago
WTF is a CO extinguisher ?? I'd like to see one I those!
Gonger0069 3 months ago
did anyone think of using a co extinguisher
firesmasher4918 3 months ago
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P71CVPI07AZ 3 months ago
@P71CVPI07AZ I have picked up a hose. We NEVER parked downhill from a burning vehicle.
If youre a firefighter, and this is how you respond to those you serve, I suggest you pack it up son.
dngnb8 3 months ago
1:48 and 1:51 - now that's some confidence. "Bro, watch me stop this burning truck 1 handed." Glad no one got hurt!
SuperFloppyD 3 months ago
Does anyone know what caused the fire?
hauler1231 3 months ago
@fd04 lol. sounds like it. "No, There's nobody here"
hauler1231 3 months ago
WORST.FIREFIGHTERS.EVER.
waterdragon420 3 months ago
Other than the obvious, we place wheel chocks on all vehicle fires. Had this been done, this all would have been avoided.
bulldogsRus1967 3 months ago
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idigghx 3 months ago
first why is the guy on the nozzle by himself on the attack line most of the time, while there was another FF walking around doing nothing,?!!! I dont know about where these guys got there FF1 but I was taught always 2 on the attack line minimum!!!!
second, as stated before, WHY ARE YOU NOT USING FOAM!!!!!
officerT189 3 months ago
@officerT189 1) when you leave the academy and enter the real world you will learn it's one guy on the nozzle..
2) when you leave the academy you will learn that not every engine is equip with foam
3) when you leave the academy do some research.. fires have been put out with water for 1000's of years.. you don't need foam for a vehicle fire...
4) good luck graduating the academy :)
sonsitdown 3 months ago
@sonsitdown I have been out out the academy for some time, I am well aware at times there are one guy on the nozzle, but when there are spare personnel available they can be put on the line instead of standing around and looking pretty
also i dont know about what state you are in but both departments I am on stock foam on all apparatus, one also has a foam trailer
and I am aware you do not need foam for a vehicle fire, but do to the size would be a good idea
officerT189 3 months ago
I agree mistakes were made, but its a lot easier to be a critic than the guys there. Hell half of you guys criticizing these firefighters are spelling shit wrong, and youtube has spell check for gods sake.
silentg245 3 months ago
@silentg245 no it dosen't
CNicSteelersWVU 3 months ago
@silentg245 These guys made MASSIVE mistakes that could have killed or injured someone. Most of them were obvious mistakes. If they had made a better choice of engine placement, many of their problems wouldn't happened. It's unusual for a burning vehicle to roll, so I won't fault them for that, but how they reacted was poor as they continued to ignore the obvious.
ffjsb 3 months ago
So many wrong moves guys! Go back to basic FF1 academy.
we4saken2b2gether 3 months ago
FOAM! FOAM! FOAM!!!
trnd2svu 3 months ago
This video should be shown at some point during a firefighter's training. Nice job. I'm a firefighter.
WallyVanRiper1 3 months ago
I'm not even a firefighter and I know better,,,engine compartment on fire means brake lines are also on fire.. and water on oil and other fluids?? I know they do a job that I couldn't do, but As an observer, this is pretty sad.
paulascrazymom 3 months ago
That's what's called an "OH SH!T" moment.
NFDFirefighter1 3 months ago
No wheel chocks, didnt sweep the ground with the stream while approaching.
204Menands 3 months ago
@204Menands Sweeping the ground with the stream was the least of their problems, particularly since the ground wasn't on fire at the time.
ffjsb 3 months ago
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204Menands 3 months ago
@204Menands Precaution for what? What is there on the ground that is going to hurt you? If there's gas you are just going to spread it. Where I come from we put water on what's burning, not what ain't. You need to cool the parts that will rupture and hurt you, sweeping the ground does nothing on a car fire. You sweep the floor in a STRUCTURE FIRE to put burning material. I have almost 30 years in the fire service 9between 18-20 THOUSAND calls) and three years of fire science, son.
ffjsb 3 months ago
@ffjsb he must know what he's talking about.. he said SON!!!
sonsitdown 3 months ago
@sonsitdown Well it's not a hard deduction to make that Menands is a know it all punk kid by the language he uses and obviously mixing up a tactic used for structure fires on a car fire. I've made my share of mistakes, but the crew in this video is comepletely jacked up.
ffjsb 3 months ago
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204Menands 3 months ago
@204Menands That's what you were taught, do you have any idea WHY they taught you that? Most good instructors teach their students what to do and WHY. If you can come up with a reason for sweeping the hose stream under a burning vehicle every time I'm listening.
ffjsb 3 months ago
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204Menands 3 months ago
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@204Menands "oh yea also the apparatus should never be on the down hill side of the vehicle on fire." No shit.
Where did I say they should be downhill? They should have pulled past and parked on the opposite side of the street. And yes, I am a Professional.
ffjsb 3 months ago
so ok a few things
1 if ur going down hill chock the vehicle so it doesnt move
2 position of engine sucks and weres the 360
3 if water doesnt work maybe we should use some foam or purple k food for thought come on guys u should know better then this...... what a horriable job these guys either had a bad day or just need alot of training
Ieng3ineT 3 months ago 2
And c'mon you're a big guy, but you ain't stoppin that truck...
Breezin36 3 months ago
Very first thing they did was run the line into the flames... No cribbing? C'mon guys. Seriously... That's the very first thing you do. *sigh*
Breezin36 3 months ago 2
@ lpythonator small crew size true. but as far as i've seen, a single car fire done right shouldn't need more than 3 or 4. i came from a semi-rural department so we were always short on people. for us, 2 was callin it a short crew.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig I've run a vehicle fire with a two man crew and we didn't manage to screw up the engine and actually put the fire out!
signsell1 3 months ago
even a rookie like me should know what the hell they're doing by the time they're allowed to go on calls. they should almost know how to run calls. how else will a rookie be able to think on the fly and question whether or not something is safe before they do it? or are you old-school take orders without question? cause i doubt many instructors agree with that mentality anymore..
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
@sbwatson i recognize that i'm a rook. in my department, however, we had to deal with these things ourselves, very often before we had an officer or a senior on scene. and yes. I have ran my own car fires. yes. i've been there at 3 in the morning half asleep where theyve been. and yes we did our job and we did it right because my department expects a lot from its rookies. my point in expressing my lesser experience, which you obviously missed sir, is that
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
What an aggravating call that must have been. First one thing, then another. On another note...a rock?....dude, really?
pipinfool 3 months ago
Also, career and volunteer, we’re all professional, and almost all of us have to deal with small crew sizes. Between cities slashing budgets and people “call-screening” I’d bet that most of us have been in a similar predicament. Considering that they only seem to have three or four people here, I say nice job getting the fire out, especially considering that the cargo and fuel all became involved as well. It’s a shitty situation that they made the best of.
lpythonator2 3 months ago
First off, thanks for posting. Likewise, I'll be sure to show this the next time I teach vehicle fires at my department. Let's remember that it's always easy to Monday morning quarterback these videos. Yes, they could have chalked the wheels sooner, and taken better care to keep the hose line out of the fire, but while the terrain wasn't in their favor, they were upwind. I also agree with @cuhooliganmaceaunrig that they did a nice job shielding the scene and preventing a bigger problem.
lpythonator2 3 months ago 2
@lpythonator2 Exactly, what you don't see is if that truck rolled about another 200' down the hill it would have slammed into a house, not only causing a vehicle into a structure, but a structure fire now on top of it. Thanks for taking notice; something can be taken from every call. I'm sure these guys took a few things and did a good job when Murphy's Law showed up and brought her team to boot.
allaboutjenkem 3 months ago
Every once in awhile you just need a Mulligan!
rvogel44 3 months ago
I agree with the upwind and uphill comment, but in addition, have you ever heard of throwing down some wheel chocks? Size it up and make it safe guys! Look up Waxahachie Chemical Plant Fire for another example of poor rig placement, this one costs a dept. a 95ft tower ladder.
GFDT561 3 months ago
@GFDT561 their are a lot of more things that went wrong on that call. But to save the hummiliation yeah. Other than the dammage to the truck, they got the destroyed hose, and some messed up firefighters. Has none of them heard of a drill. they work wonders!! ;)
Rtmicquarts 3 months ago
i like this video for 2 reasons:
1) this is probably the worst car fire attack i've ever seen and offers a lot of lessons for probies to learn from.
2) the person taking the video did an excellent job catching all the details.
P.S. going back to upwind and uphill, and attacking from the flanks, note the lit fuels running down the street. i wont put the whole blame on the truckie but the driver/operator should never EVER have parked where he parked.
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
and i like how no one was covering them while they popped the hood of the truck at 2:50
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
note also that they didn't even chock the burning truck which is the LEAST they could have done after it smashed into their truck. SCENCE SAFETY PEOPLE!!!
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
@jerseygiant3369 couldn't agree more. i've only been a ff1 for a yr (officially) and before i even scrolled down and read your comment i saw all those mistakes. never would have gotten away with that in my last department. what the hell ever happened to attacking from the flanks upwind and uphill lol i've been watching so many car fires on youtube and almost nobody seems to take that seriously. complacency more than anything gets ppl hurt
cuhooliganmaceaunrig 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
@cuhooliganmaceaunrig I glad to see with your vast experience that feel that you can arm car quarterback those vets. Way to go rook!
sbwatson321 3 months ago
They only mistakes I see is they should have parked in the opposite lane of traffic and put wheel chocks under the burning vehicles wheels. Other then that, nice job.
Res154cue 3 months ago
@Res154cue are you Kidding?!?! Just to name a few
1) Parking too close to truck
2) Dragging the line into the fire
3) A 1 man hose line? WTF? Its not a garden hose.
4) What are they attacking. Get to the source of the flames.
5) Trying to stop a rolling truck with their body? Come on Son
Shall I go on?
jerseygiant3369 3 months ago 2
@jerseygiant3369 #3 of the list is fine. that hose is small and one firefighter is more than enough.
BE3700 3 months ago
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Publicsafety1996 3 months ago
Thanks for posting!! This will definitely make into our "training videos" at my fire station!
ral72 3 months ago
@jasesnt3 They definitely made some mistakes, but they got the job done.
raul1234me 3 months ago
This is INSANE!!!!
Barbara
barbaradrazga 3 months ago