I see you think you are a expert on what church do? How many of them have you worked with? Whatever became of the relationship with the man you called your pastor, back in 2009? How about putting some of your own mess out here for us to see?
@Pastorbillanddesi No Expert Just understand a lot of the studies that have been done on the subject. Whatever became of the man I called pastor that's not my Job, to keep up with him and I don't care. "My Own Mess"...Wow
@Pastorbillanddesi First you are making assumptions in my statement that should not be that says more about you Sir. 1 Thessalonians 4:11 Says We should lead a quite life and attend to our own business. Except for my prayers I owe my former Pastor Nothing. And I owe no other man anything as well. It is so evident in your comments you want people to Lover these So Called "Pastors" Folks need to get over themself!!
@Blazeman1 Rather than telling me what is evident from my comments,why don't ask me what the point of my comment was?I do not want people to love so called pastor folks.I want you,as a believer to be fair to believers,like myself,who dont operate as a so called pastor folk.Not every pastor is a so called pastor folk, anymore then you are a so called believer folk! I agree that you have legitimate grips with the church system,as a whole,but don't throw out the baby with the bath water!
@Pastorbillanddesi Yes I agree not every pastor is like most of the pimps out there. Who said anything out throwing anything out.I love the true church. But this Church we are calling the church I have no love for it.
Im I to take that, "most of the money stays in church", answer to mean that you have figured out that churches are lying to people about what they are doing with their money, so you have moved on, and now you are out here using your money for causes that God will be pleased with? How about some suggestions on how we can spend the money in a better way. What sir are you doing with your money, these days? I it staying with Blazeman1?
You are so fixated on trying to get me to admit that most churches are not serving anyone,that you won't admit that there are churches out here that ARE SERVING PEOPLE,AND DO SOME COMMENDABLE THINGS WITH SOME OF THE FINANCES THEY TAKE IN TO THE CHURCH,contrary to that statement you made about "THE MONEY FLOWING IN ONE DIRECTION".In one of your videos,you gave Fred Price credit for doing good in his community,then you tell me,and I quote,"the money flows in one direction"! Thats not a fair quote!
@Pastorbillanddesi Fixated? I don't think so I think that would be you are all these comments coming from me or you?..Most of the money in church stays in church never goes anyplace. So act like you know.
Your reply feature is not allowing me to leave you a response.I do not wait til Sunday to supply those that I seek to disciple.The people that I disciple are in my home or I in their homes, at different times, throughout the week, or helping each other out, or working through issues in their lives, together, etc., sometimes on the phone, sometimes, face to face, as long as they are open to that. I serve those that allow me to serve them.The churches that don't pimp people are out here, also!
Desi's response to Blazeman1-You basically said in this video that there in almost NO FELLOWSHIPING going on in a church bldg,every Sunday Morning,and that the scripture does not tell Christians how often to meet,and that it is perfectly acceptable to meet with other Christians,no more than 2 or 3X a year,etc. How can Christians obey ICor 12,which says that the members of Christ's Body NEED one another? How can we make new disciples in obedience to the scriptures, if we meet 2or 3 times a year?
@Pastorbillanddesi Well you must fist understand the ekklesia. It is important that folks are not waiting to sunday to supply the body. You don't make disciples on sunday either you make converts. Disciples are folks who pattern their life after Christ. In most churches today with the gimme Gospel that is not what we see. You can make disciples in your every day life by doing the work of Ministry. If you are only waiting till sunday that is a part of the problem.
If the disciples of Jesus did not obey Jesus's command to GO, AND MAKE MORE DISCIPLES,(Acts2:40-41)THE CHURCH WOULD NOT HAVE CONTINUED TO GROW. Obedient Disciples are still commanded to go into all the world(Matt28:19-20) to make more disciples. You mentioned that fellowship is to be according to what THAT INDIVIDUAL NEEDS! Serving Christ is "always" about what others need, NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT WE INDIVIDUALLY NEED! The Biblical example for fellowship was, "DAILY"(ACTS2:46-47).
@Pastorbillanddesi First of all you are trying very desperately to add to what I said and not understand what I said. It is the Lod who adds to the church daily. Although Yes he uses us in our daily lives to do that and not just on a sunday or when ever folks choose to gather in a building. Yes Fellowship is about service but lets tell the truth most churches do not serve anyone at all. Preachers and these Pimps need to cut it out!!
Desi's response to Blazeman1's response! You said that THE CHURCH DOES NOT GROW BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO- AND THAT JESUS ADDS TO THE CHURCH, DAILY. I disagree!! The growth of the church has everything to do with what "FRUITFUL", OBEDIENT DISCIPLES DO. Not all disciples are fruitful or obedient. Disciples of the Lord Jesus, are supposed to plant seeds, water, and the Lord gives the increase(saves). Just as Christian behavior can turn people off to God, Christian behavior can turn people on to God...
Awesome my brother...Amen to this TRUTH!
JaelHouseProductions 1 month ago
You may not believe this, but I am glad that you speak out about corruption in churches!
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi Thank you, I Believe it.
Blazeman1 1 month ago
I see you think you are a expert on what church do? How many of them have you worked with? Whatever became of the relationship with the man you called your pastor, back in 2009? How about putting some of your own mess out here for us to see?
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi No Expert Just understand a lot of the studies that have been done on the subject. Whatever became of the man I called pastor that's not my Job, to keep up with him and I don't care. "My Own Mess"...Wow
Blazeman1 1 month ago
@Blazeman1 Its not your job to keep up with him, and, you don't care? Wow, how Christlike!
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi First you are making assumptions in my statement that should not be that says more about you Sir. 1 Thessalonians 4:11 Says We should lead a quite life and attend to our own business. Except for my prayers I owe my former Pastor Nothing. And I owe no other man anything as well. It is so evident in your comments you want people to Lover these So Called "Pastors" Folks need to get over themself!!
Blazeman1 1 month ago
@Blazeman1 Rather than telling me what is evident from my comments,why don't ask me what the point of my comment was?I do not want people to love so called pastor folks.I want you,as a believer to be fair to believers,like myself,who dont operate as a so called pastor folk.Not every pastor is a so called pastor folk, anymore then you are a so called believer folk! I agree that you have legitimate grips with the church system,as a whole,but don't throw out the baby with the bath water!
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi Yes I agree not every pastor is like most of the pimps out there. Who said anything out throwing anything out.I love the true church. But this Church we are calling the church I have no love for it.
Blazeman1 1 month ago
Im I to take that, "most of the money stays in church", answer to mean that you have figured out that churches are lying to people about what they are doing with their money, so you have moved on, and now you are out here using your money for causes that God will be pleased with? How about some suggestions on how we can spend the money in a better way. What sir are you doing with your money, these days? I it staying with Blazeman1?
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
You are so fixated on trying to get me to admit that most churches are not serving anyone,that you won't admit that there are churches out here that ARE SERVING PEOPLE,AND DO SOME COMMENDABLE THINGS WITH SOME OF THE FINANCES THEY TAKE IN TO THE CHURCH,contrary to that statement you made about "THE MONEY FLOWING IN ONE DIRECTION".In one of your videos,you gave Fred Price credit for doing good in his community,then you tell me,and I quote,"the money flows in one direction"! Thats not a fair quote!
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi Fixated? I don't think so I think that would be you are all these comments coming from me or you?..Most of the money in church stays in church never goes anyplace. So act like you know.
Blazeman1 1 month ago
Your reply feature is not allowing me to leave you a response.I do not wait til Sunday to supply those that I seek to disciple.The people that I disciple are in my home or I in their homes, at different times, throughout the week, or helping each other out, or working through issues in their lives, together, etc., sometimes on the phone, sometimes, face to face, as long as they are open to that. I serve those that allow me to serve them.The churches that don't pimp people are out here, also!
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
Desi's response to Blazeman1-You basically said in this video that there in almost NO FELLOWSHIPING going on in a church bldg,every Sunday Morning,and that the scripture does not tell Christians how often to meet,and that it is perfectly acceptable to meet with other Christians,no more than 2 or 3X a year,etc. How can Christians obey ICor 12,which says that the members of Christ's Body NEED one another? How can we make new disciples in obedience to the scriptures, if we meet 2or 3 times a year?
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi Well you must fist understand the ekklesia. It is important that folks are not waiting to sunday to supply the body. You don't make disciples on sunday either you make converts. Disciples are folks who pattern their life after Christ. In most churches today with the gimme Gospel that is not what we see. You can make disciples in your every day life by doing the work of Ministry. If you are only waiting till sunday that is a part of the problem.
Blazeman1 1 month ago
If the disciples of Jesus did not obey Jesus's command to GO, AND MAKE MORE DISCIPLES,(Acts2:40-41)THE CHURCH WOULD NOT HAVE CONTINUED TO GROW. Obedient Disciples are still commanded to go into all the world(Matt28:19-20) to make more disciples. You mentioned that fellowship is to be according to what THAT INDIVIDUAL NEEDS! Serving Christ is "always" about what others need, NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT WE INDIVIDUALLY NEED! The Biblical example for fellowship was, "DAILY"(ACTS2:46-47).
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi I don't understand what not being in a building has to do with this comment. This comment has nothing to do with what I said.
Blazeman1 1 month ago
@Pastorbillanddesi First of all you are trying very desperately to add to what I said and not understand what I said. It is the Lod who adds to the church daily. Although Yes he uses us in our daily lives to do that and not just on a sunday or when ever folks choose to gather in a building. Yes Fellowship is about service but lets tell the truth most churches do not serve anyone at all. Preachers and these Pimps need to cut it out!!
Blazeman1 1 month ago
Desi's response to Blazeman1's response! You said that THE CHURCH DOES NOT GROW BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO- AND THAT JESUS ADDS TO THE CHURCH, DAILY. I disagree!! The growth of the church has everything to do with what "FRUITFUL", OBEDIENT DISCIPLES DO. Not all disciples are fruitful or obedient. Disciples of the Lord Jesus, are supposed to plant seeds, water, and the Lord gives the increase(saves). Just as Christian behavior can turn people off to God, Christian behavior can turn people on to God...
Pastorbillanddesi 1 month ago
I agree completely.
ModernDayProphets 2 months ago