its true most racist are are obsessed with looks, racism in the UK is based mainly on arrogance.... and the unemployment thing isn't based on immigrant... it because of technological advances... (e.g. automated car factories and mechanized industries, its even taking over the service industry)... but ya....
For any non-UK residents watching this, Leeds is a well-known Islamic city in the north of England. You may be familiar with other Islamic cites in England - e.g. London, Birmingham, Leicester, Luton etc.
@philipbenham1 Following your logic and considering since most scientists agree on the 'out of Africa' theory you are clearly an African, just because you and your parents were raised in Britain doesn't make you British. Honestly is it too much effort to think through the implications of your words?
@MistaOzz "Following your logic and considering since most scientists agree on the 'out of Africa' theory you are clearly an African"
I am clearly European because my white skin and straight hair evolved in Europe not Africa. I am living precisely where I evolved, in Europe. If I had evolved in Africa I would be black with frizzy hair.
@philipbenham1 If the evolution of homo sapiens began in Africa and you evolved those phenotypes by 100,000 years of residence in Europe then by your own logic it would only require that much time for an African to become European. Either way it seems a little silly to draw arbitrary lines in the sands of our evolutionary timescale.
@MistaOzz "If the evolution of homo sapiens began in Africa and you evolved those phenotypes by 100,000 years of residence in Europe then by your own logic it would only require that much time for an African to become European"
So by your logic you are saying Africans are not European, quite correct, I agree with you.
@philipbenham1 Its not 'my logic'. There are members of our species whose evolutionary heritage branched away from the land mass we now refer to as Africa that is a fact. There are members whose heritage branched away from Europe that too is a fact. But that isn't really what you are interested in. It seems to me what you want to do is assign an immutable label to a member of our species so you can say how different from them you are and how superior. Never really understood the instinct tbh
@MistaOzz "It seems to me what you want to do is assign an immutable label to a member of our species so you can say how different from them you are and how superior"
How ridiculous of you to start a line of thought that one member of our species can be superior to another!
The fact is that Africans are not Europeans, nothing superior/inferior about that. Europeans evolved in Europe, this is our homeland and the birthplace of our unique European cultures.
@philipbenham1 Evolution is a process without a defined end point. Yes European cultures evolved to what they are now, but they are continuing to evolve and are doing so with the influence of other cultures. That influence can be a very positive and beautiful thing and lead to a culturally richer and better informed nation. Or people can blame all their problems on those perceived as different because it saves them from having to look for the real causes, and that is the BNP
@psoriaticcat "Or people can blame all their problems on those perceived as different because it saves them from having to look for the real causes"
You may blame your problems on those perceived as different, I certainly don't.
It's strange how most countries in the world are not embracing the "positive and beautiful thing" of unfettered mass immigration, perhaps they don't buy the idea that they will be "culturally richer" when they are hit with a tsunami of economic fortune seekers.
@DrautMetal "Im certainly not going to Mauritius just because you dont think i can be classed as British."
Where on earth did I write that? I commented that my opinion just the opposite, given your clear Scottish heritage.
I have to post with 2 usernames because when I post 2 comments it won't allow me to post anymore unless I enter a password, only problem is the box isn't showing to enter the password, must be this new layout.
@DrautMetal "Why use the word British. Just say white lol"
Say that to a Japanese person, why use the word Japanese, just say yellow. Say that to a Nigerian, why use the word Nigerian, just say black. Say that to a Pakistani, why use the word Pakistani, just say brown. Of course British people are white. There happens to be a recent fashion of calling African and Asian immigrants "British", it's just ridiculous, a clear case of identity theft lol :)
@DrautMetal "Eskimos are a race of people not a country. If a Pygmy was born in the North Pole then they are from the North Pole."
No, he would not be "from the North Pole". He would have been "born at the North Pole" to parents who travelled from Africa, therefore he too, like his parents, is from Africa.
weird because this young chaps seems like a reasonable lad never mind he's also very educated, it's a shame to see him doing such thing. if i were you I'd be little bit more constructive with myself mate ps no am not white, and have served the country both in Iraq and Afghanistan and you call yourself patriotic if you wanna fight in the name of the country and you call yourself a real geezer than plz come join us in the front line and stop being a fucking red neck,
Russal Brand is a fucking retard who can't hold an argument especially when he said about having a black prime minister because er because its a multicultural country.
Also, the immediate violation of Godwins law. If anyone saw the BBC debate with Nick Griffin, it was ironically the anti-facists behaving like Nazisin shutting down free speech. For people who denigrate the BNP as not having a point/popular positions,they sure seem scared of what they have to say.FACT:aggressive immigration to EU states has been a terrible policy(see Paris riots,Van Gogh murder). Policymakers have simply copied US and added mixture of PC thought control- voila-bad policy.
Also, the immediate violation of Godwins law. If anyone saw the BBC debate with Nick Griffin, it was ironically the anti-facists behaving like Nazisin shutting down free speech. For people who denigrate the BNP as not having a point betraying unpopular they sure seem scared of what they have to say.FACT:aggressive immigration to EU states has been a terrible policy(see Paris riots,Van Gogh murder). Policymakers have simply copied US and added mixture of PC thought control- voila-bad policy.
This really pissed me off, really. Obviously I will have to make a disclaimer that I'm not a racist b/c aggressive morons like R.Brand have conflated the idea of nationalism with racism- it's similar to saying that socialism is evil because tha Nazis and Soviets practiced.
Look at the body language here people, who is interested in communicating and who isn't.
HERE IS A LITTLE RATIONALTIY FOR EVERYONE READING: Just because the US has had success with immigration DOESN'T mean its good for all!
@nfe "Oh, has qoldentony111 removed his posts? Chortle."
I see, faced with the truth of the scale of immigration into London you can only "chortle". As qoldentony111 stated, 43% of the population of London are immigrants.
@nfe "Woah woah woah. 42.3% of London is non-white British and 31% is non-white (ONS '09). Where on Earth are you getting that 43% of London's population are immigrants? That's an absolute nonsense."
You seemed to have gone quiet on this subject, where are your woah woah woahs now? qoldentony kicked your ignorant ass all the way to ONS and back.
You'll note that the ONS IS where I did the two seconds of research that was required. The results of which I stated below. The ONS tells me that 24.89% of Londoners were born outwith the UK. By all means link me to your sources?
The links to my sources are too long for this post so will follow in next one...
@nfe "The ONS tells me that 24.89% of Londoners were born outwith the UK"
Chortle chortle, ONS will also tell you that as well as 24.89% of Londoners born outside the UK there are also 18% of Londoners that are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. That leaves White British as just 57% of the capital of the UK. Woah woah woah chortle chortle chortle.
@nfe "2nd and 3rd generation "immigrants" are British people, born and raised here. If you need to redefine "immigrant" in order to present an argument"
A 2nd and 3rd generation ipod is still an ipod
A 2nd and 3rd generation mobile phone is still a mobile phone
A 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant is still an immigrant
If you need to redefine "2nd and 3rd generation immigrant" in order to present an argument...
@philipbenham1 You cant be a "2nd and 3rd generation immigrant". If you are born in a country you arent an immigrant. I was born here to a white mother and mauritian black father who left before i was born and i havent seen him since. The only "foreign" culture i have experienced is the takeaway down the road. Are you trying to tell me that even though i was born here, it is on my passport and it is in my dna that i am still an immigrant ?
@louiscfc93 "Are you trying to tell me that even though i was born here, it is on my passport and it is in my dna that i am still an immigrant ?"
Yes, you're a second generation immigrant. As for your passport, you could have arrived from Somalia as a refugee last year, claimed asylum and get a British passport that says you're British but you'd be no more British than the Somalis you left behind. As for your DNA, that would show you're descended from a long line of Mauritians.
@philipbenham1 My DNA would also show im descended from a long line of Scots. As for passports and Somalis yes i wouldnt be British if i had just arrived on a boat but i have left nothing behind. I was born and raised in this country and have had absolutely no interaction with my Mauritian heritage.
"My DNA would also show im descended from a long line of Scots."
Fair enough, you're half Scottish and half Mauritian, you're wholly raised by a British mother, I trust you follow traditional British/Scottish culture in that you wouldn't eat halal meat that has been cruelly slaughtered unstunned, you wouldn't marry your first cousin in an arranged marriage, you haven't fled the land of your ancestors in order to gain economic benefits in Britain, then I would say you'd be considered British .
@philipbenham1 Also ill have you know im fully against the islamification of europe and im trying to organize groups to protest. I just dont bring race into the mix. Its the religious and political ideology of islam i am against because it is a retarded desert dwelling religion of barbarians
@philipbenham1 The majority of white people here are descended from Irish immigrants or the rape victims of the Romans and Vikings. What does that make them ?
@louiscfc93 "The majority of white people here are descended from Irish immigrants or the rape victims of the Romans and Vikings"
On what do you base that derogatory and insulting statement? The white British people are the result of ten thousand years of European interaction, in the last thousand years the white British have evolved into a readily identifiable native group, with language and culture wholly unique to these islands. That makes them and their descendants British.
@philipbenham1 Immigrants are people who move to another country to live. How can someone who is born in a country be defined as someone who moved there if they were born there ? There is no such thing as a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant because simply they are not immigrants.
@mufc187 "How about just meeting people and getting on with them? Ever thought of that, rather than concentrating on all this shit?"
Ever thought about tugging your head outta your ass?
Ever thought about the fact that Muslim women in this country are forbidden by Islam to marry Christian men? Ever thought of how that may affect multi-cultural social cohesion?
Shall I go out and try to meet a nice Muslim woman?
@electrogeek77 "A racist neanderthal that spews hatred online is still a racist neanderthal."
A muslim women who is forbidden to marry a christian man because of islamic hatred is still a muslim women who is forbidden to marry a christian man because of islamic hatred.
@philipbenham1 So to what extreme do you take that line of reasoning? Are you a still a Roman/Viking/Celt? or perhaps an early primate? Maybe a primative aquatic organism? Single celled amoeba? Pool of amino acids?
@Tossphate "Are you a still a Roman/Viking/Celt? or perhaps an early primate? Maybe a primative aquatic organism? Single celled amoeba? Pool of amino acids?"
I am a Caucasian European that evolved in Europe, I am living in Europe precisely where 50,000 years of evolution designed me to live unlike the millions of black and asian economic parasites who have fled their continents to parasite in Europe.
Woah woah woah. 42.3% of London is non-white British and 31% is non-white (ONS '09). Where on Earth are you getting that 43% of London's population are immigrants? That's an absolute nonsense.
@qoldentony111 In relation to the mistake you referred to, I'm assuming you mean the fact I used statistics based on the United Kingdom as opposed to England. That being said, even if we take England (which I will admit has a much higher population density than the UK as a whole - mostly due to London) at between 350-400 people per square kilometre depending on source - it still puts us way behind many other countries. I'm going to assume you know we're a country built on immigration?
@qoldentony111 Could you please show me where its provably ridiculous? So far you've now stated twice that I'm wrong, despite me pointing out that a quick search on google, using reputable websites, seems to only backup what I've stated.
@qoldentony111 You may also want to check our population density vs arable land (potential food growth) possibilities. That puts us alot lower down the density list. Your original comment made it sound almost like we're about to be overrun at any moment by too many immigrants. We're not, we are in fact, not even close.
@qoldentony111 I would but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. So I'll respond to what I remember, my original statement was from a geographical textbook I have lying around (humanities teacher) but since thats not really a quotable source and it's a little outdated we'll look to the internet instead. A quick search links the worldatlas website which rates us at 33rd - with a population density of around 250 - still a huge drop from the top 6 (all over 1000), so my point stands.
i think britian is too soft on other ethnic sociatys as it is white population, take the extreamist muslims chanting "we want danish blood" and yet no one is arrested. yea sure im upset at 9/11 and the other things but that does not mean i want them kicked out of the country. im actualy proud that so many people want to live in this country. its just the extreamists ruin everything.
@billyleece "Illiterate people ruin this country." oh so illiterate people offend you do they?, and the fact that you aimed this at me tells me you think im illiterate, well just so you know im dyslexic not illiterate. and im sure others would agree when i say extreamist's do make things worse, i think its just the fact your a grammer nazi my comment upset you.
It is impossible to hold a rational debate with what is at heart an irrational belief system. Any debate about race with white supremacists can only go so far before their superficial logic falls apart. It's a frustrating and futile exercise - as Brand discovers, despite his admirable attempt to appeal to Mark's obvious intelligence and better nature.
@niave I get what you mean but I disagree, Brand is trying to get inside the head of the BNP member and I think he is attempting to use debate as a way for the member to explain his views. Admittedly I think he loses his head a little in part 3 but that is only because he is so dumb founded at the naziboy's views so he lets loose what he really thinks. Never the less it is certainly not fair to say he looks "like just as much of a bigot" that's just ridiculous.
Funny how racists in every country are all misshapen freaks who claim to be the cream of the race. They REALLY are just angry, small-minded losers with the intellect of a flea. THEY are the only true mud-people on this planet.
Do the BNP actually recruit anyone that casts them in a good light? Everytime they go on TV they make themselves look well and truly fucking ridiculous. I remember last St Georges when Griffin was rambling on about British ID and he had some fat bloke dressed in a white sheet with a red cross painted on the front with a fucking colander on his head lol. It was hysterical.
In America, many labor union members, who saw illegal aliens as a threat to their jobs during a time of high
unemployment, thought it was a fine idea to propose a bill, while liberals generally opposed it because it sounded "racist"-illegal aliens being virtually
Whites are forcibly infected with the disease of liberalism by the schools and the churches and the plastic pop culture the System churns out for young people these days. Presumably, if they had been raised in a healthy society they would have had some racial pride. Whites seem to have lost the feeling of identity and unity which the Blacks and everyone else still have.
@DerKoniggratzer88 We aren't forcibly infected you mug. Liberalism is the only thing that's attempting to keep communities together, and it isn't even allowed to be done properly because of racist Tories and apathetic Labour members. Everyone has a feeling of unity other than these racist organisations, because they're the only ones living in the dark ages on their own.
@DerKoniggratzer88 Having liberal views does not mean that you can't have a feeling of identity! I am proud to be a white British person but I'm against the BNP and everything it stands for. It's because of them that it's difficult for people like me to be patrotic because they've taken the union flag and associated it with something racist!
@DerKoniggratzer88 The world would be a better place if people were proud of their individual races but learned to live together and respect other people. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this.
@Lucanking Truer words have never been written. ALL racists are the scum of the earth, poisoned by ideology and religion. Someday they will all be gone. : )
@Bazlovesmusic I disagree. There is no good reason to be proud of your race, just like there is no good reason to be proud of the dimensions of your fingernails... they are just arbitrary physical qualities that don't play a role in what really makes you you--your mind. If you want to be proud of your culture, go for it. But what's to stop me from falling in love with or growing up in a culture that my race is typically not a part of, like a black Chinese person? Race is an irrelevant factor.
@Bazlovesmusic "The world would be a better place if people were proud of their individual races but learned to live together and respect other people. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this."
Nobody would disagree with that. What people may disagree with is mass immigration into one of the most crowded countries in the world, England.
@philipbenham1 We're 53rd in the list of population density and theres a pretty damn big drop off after the top 5, so where the hell are you getting "one of the most crowded" from?
All the liberals and the Jews had to do was begin screeching about "inhumanity" or "injustice" or "genocide," and most of our people
who had been beating around the edges of a solution took to their heels like frightened rabbits. Some particularly liberal ignorant may find that this situation provides a certain amount of satisfaction for their masochism, a way of
You know whats really funny? The "radical" left is always going on about how the "radical" right is a bunch of police agents....(which is true and has been officially admitted in germany)
Naziboy here (what a weak little child, he couldnt even stand up to that long haired douche, he even let him grab his head) said the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT the radical left.
yet none of these stupid motherfuckers take even a second to pause and ask themselves, what if both sides are run by agents?
Russell Brand acts like a child... I dont support anything the BNP do or believe but Brands bias approach just makes him look like the narrow minded tool.
@ajrnagy1 If you dont approach things with an open mind then you look like just as much of a bigot. From a reporter/journalistic perspective you should never go to an interview with just you opinions to push on them.. totally unprofessional.
@niave I'm not trying to support his methods, but surely anyone that does a documentary has to be biased to provide a balance to the people they interview?
500 characters does place limits but it prioritises succinctness! Identity is one of the crucial points that we are playing around with here. And when it comes to a multi-cultural community, it is what seems to create problems. Culture is a social bond. When a culture is destabilised people feel threatened. However, being culturally comfortable creates its own problems.
@GRJones92hk. Succinctness is not necessarily a virtue when it comes to thorny subject matter!
"Culturally comfortable" – I would ask what you mean by that? And what problems do you speak of?
Does identity cause problems with multiculturalism or is multiculturalism actually the problem? Destroying or downplaying identity to preserve multiculturalism seems like a fascistic ideology to me, given that identity develops quite naturally, whereas I know of no organic multicultural societies.
@CeltoSaxonKnight I mean that culture changes. And to try and hold on to traditions too dogmatically doesn't serve organic change. Culture should be re-defined by each new generation, even if it's a reformulation of old traditions, as of course some traditions are very good.
You are right, bending to fit other people's mores can be self-destructive. I've been hesitating to bring up the US, but they're the big multi-cultural experiment, and have produced a wealth of new and interesting things
@GRJones92hk Culture does change, although for us to recognise a particular culture as distinct it must have essential properties which persist through change. We should always seek to preserve our heritage. It has value beyond mere economics & we disregard it at our peril. The strongest trees have the deepest roots. The deculturalising influence of mass media, popular culture and consumerism are destructive beyond measure. People without strong roots are ready victims to these influences.
@CeltoSaxonKnight I stressed the importance of heritage & traditions, you're tipping windmills - there's no-one on the other side of that argument. I like your trees analogy. Just, the strongest oak can snap in a powerful storm, regardless of the depths of its roots. A tree that bends or yields in the winds endures. Mass media, pop. culture and consumerism have a destructive element. Sounds a bit paranoid if you're relating that to 'multi-culturalism' though.
The connection is that both multiculturalism and popular culture have deculturalising effects, which we should seek to minimise.
I've walked many a wood and forest in our beautiful land and have never seen a snapped oak! So, though I understand your point, it seems the forest has deeper wisdom still to teach...
I think Britain has been suffering from some rather flimsy liberal post-colonial guilt for a long time. And, in a way, it's hard to deny people from commonwealth countries opportunities in Britain. The European Union immigration is the tide that needs to be stemmed, at a time when people need jobs we have got to be more inward looking. Where do you live in the UK?
We can best help commonwealth countries by preferential trade agreements & investing in their industries. What will not help them is disturbing our own well established culture and economic set-up by allowing them uncontrolled and unnecessary access to our country.
The EU is another thing we never voted for and needs to be decommissioned. Europe should consist of a set of strong nation states bound by mutually beneficial alliances.
@CeltoSaxonKnight They are both pretty good points. I work in Europe so the EU benefits me, although I still have some strong doubts about the overall efficacy of it.
Your main point though is whether multi-culturalism works. It does and it doesn't. It depends on the residents of a country and whether they regard it as an erosion of their identity or an opportunity to integrate new elements into their culture (this works the same for the immigrants). Both hosts and guests have to yield.
Thanks. People worked in Europe (& vice-versa) before EU... So not sure the EU is needed for that.
For me integrating new elements should be either by consent of people or by more organic processes than simply shipping in lots of people and hoping. My reading is that people don't naturally choose to integrate on a large scale. If that is the case attempting to socially engineer integration will only backfire.
But there wasn't even a good reason for it in the 1st place...
@CeltoSaxonKnight The EU reduces the amount of bureaucratic problems, which I appreciate. Like I said though, I still have my doubts about how it benefits individual countries.
That old oxymoron, social engineering, is just that - a mechanical way of organising social groups, which, if tampered with too much, debases the social group. Three terms you use puzzle me 'consent of people'; shipping in of lots of people'; 'the 1st place'. Can you elucidate when and what exactly you are referring?
Man Russell is a prick, but these guys are even bigger pricks!
antjmi 2 weeks ago
i have this guy on fb
whiteboygotswagg 3 weeks ago
'I doubt he would be a nazi if he was black!'
haha XD
verzeda 1 month ago
heil im russel r0fl
ITAKEYOURGP 1 month ago
What a wretched abomination this man is, how can anybody copy their values from this pervert?
godkingRoss 1 month ago
And this guy has been through the entire education system....fail
dazmin100 1 month ago 2
The death of the screwdriver singer was probably a conspiracy by music lovers.
dazmin100 1 month ago
I have new found respect for Russell Brand, standing up for whats right gives it to those racist scums like the cock I give them for dinner.
RyanDrewBurns 2 months ago
when he says 'heil' to the bald one hahah!
fernyhough100 2 months ago
wow, Russell is high as a kite in the second bit of that. Yet still talks more sense than the mini-hitler!
psoriaticcat 2 months ago
enjoy brown people Britain, you sorry excuse for whites
baphomet58 3 months ago
Just a load of cheap shots, I thought he was a comedian.
MrDoriefs 3 months ago
@MrDoriefs dude, this was years ago before he was a comedian, and he was on drugs. jeez louise
6045310708 3 months ago
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So? he should still be funny
MrDoriefs 3 months ago
@MrDoriefs like you?
6045310708 3 months ago
@6045310708
I don't have to funny you inbred mong, this cunt is meant to be.
MrDoriefs 3 months ago
@MrDoriefs any dick like collete doesn't deserve russell's highest wit
RedKingCommandz 2 months ago
its true most racist are are obsessed with looks, racism in the UK is based mainly on arrogance.... and the unemployment thing isn't based on immigrant... it because of technological advances... (e.g. automated car factories and mechanized industries, its even taking over the service industry)... but ya....
cyborg20081 3 months ago
Hot much heroin and cocaine did Brand snort to make this one?
xenbay 3 months ago
"The person who made this mess is less than human, I believe. And should be treated as such." Very clever.
CodedRhythmTalk 3 months ago
For any non-UK residents watching this, Leeds is a well-known Islamic city in the north of England. You may be familiar with other Islamic cites in England - e.g. London, Birmingham, Leicester, Luton etc.
IlRezzonico 3 months ago
when was this?
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cigpapers 3 months ago
wow he fair fliped
roblrocks 3 months ago
brand is an ex smackhead. how much crime financed his heroin habit?
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Russell Brand is all that is wrong with this country.
Hiddenafrown 4 months ago
Russell Brand is all that is wrong with this country.
Hiddenafrown 4 months ago
russell brand is a genius and tares these racistis apart
snow100 4 months ago 7
@snow100 I agree that he is a genius and that he does tear them apart good and proper but you really should learn to spell my friend.
orionemprex 2 months ago
I hate the bnp but this guy is so much more bearable than russel brand, he is just a massive twat.
noodles41 5 months ago
Russell Brand is an unprofessional immature twerp in this. By the way this does NOT mean I'm on the BNP lad's side.
graemeoliver84 5 months ago
@philipbenham1 Following your logic and considering since most scientists agree on the 'out of Africa' theory you are clearly an African, just because you and your parents were raised in Britain doesn't make you British. Honestly is it too much effort to think through the implications of your words?
MistaOzz 5 months ago
@MistaOzz "Following your logic and considering since most scientists agree on the 'out of Africa' theory you are clearly an African"
I am clearly European because my white skin and straight hair evolved in Europe not Africa. I am living precisely where I evolved, in Europe. If I had evolved in Africa I would be black with frizzy hair.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 If the evolution of homo sapiens began in Africa and you evolved those phenotypes by 100,000 years of residence in Europe then by your own logic it would only require that much time for an African to become European. Either way it seems a little silly to draw arbitrary lines in the sands of our evolutionary timescale.
MistaOzz 2 months ago
@MistaOzz "If the evolution of homo sapiens began in Africa and you evolved those phenotypes by 100,000 years of residence in Europe then by your own logic it would only require that much time for an African to become European"
So by your logic you are saying Africans are not European, quite correct, I agree with you.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 Its not 'my logic'. There are members of our species whose evolutionary heritage branched away from the land mass we now refer to as Africa that is a fact. There are members whose heritage branched away from Europe that too is a fact. But that isn't really what you are interested in. It seems to me what you want to do is assign an immutable label to a member of our species so you can say how different from them you are and how superior. Never really understood the instinct tbh
MistaOzz 2 months ago
@MistaOzz "It seems to me what you want to do is assign an immutable label to a member of our species so you can say how different from them you are and how superior"
How ridiculous of you to start a line of thought that one member of our species can be superior to another!
The fact is that Africans are not Europeans, nothing superior/inferior about that. Europeans evolved in Europe, this is our homeland and the birthplace of our unique European cultures.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 Evolution is a process without a defined end point. Yes European cultures evolved to what they are now, but they are continuing to evolve and are doing so with the influence of other cultures. That influence can be a very positive and beautiful thing and lead to a culturally richer and better informed nation. Or people can blame all their problems on those perceived as different because it saves them from having to look for the real causes, and that is the BNP
psoriaticcat 2 months ago
@psoriaticcat "Or people can blame all their problems on those perceived as different because it saves them from having to look for the real causes"
You may blame your problems on those perceived as different, I certainly don't.
It's strange how most countries in the world are not embracing the "positive and beautiful thing" of unfettered mass immigration, perhaps they don't buy the idea that they will be "culturally richer" when they are hit with a tsunami of economic fortune seekers.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
The ones who hail hitler must die or dissipate amongst the average populous or never be apart of society.
zandyinc 5 months ago
@zandyinc I don't think they hail, I think they heil
MistaOzz 2 months ago
@DrautMetal "Im certainly not going to Mauritius just because you dont think i can be classed as British."
Where on earth did I write that? I commented that my opinion just the opposite, given your clear Scottish heritage.
I have to post with 2 usernames because when I post 2 comments it won't allow me to post anymore unless I enter a password, only problem is the box isn't showing to enter the password, must be this new layout.
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@DrautMetal "Why use the word British. Just say white lol"
Say that to a Japanese person, why use the word Japanese, just say yellow. Say that to a Nigerian, why use the word Nigerian, just say black. Say that to a Pakistani, why use the word Pakistani, just say brown. Of course British people are white. There happens to be a recent fashion of calling African and Asian immigrants "British", it's just ridiculous, a clear case of identity theft lol :)
goateedswinqer 6 months ago
@DrautMetal "A black person born here isnt white but they are British."
They are British only by citizenship, they are clearly African in origin.
goateedswinqer 6 months ago
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@DrautMetal "Eskimos are a race of people not a country. If a Pygmy was born in the North Pole then they are from the North Pole."
No, he would not be "from the North Pole". He would have been "born at the North Pole" to parents who travelled from Africa, therefore he too, like his parents, is from Africa.
philipbenham1 6 months ago
i like russell brand now
BRUMTOWNTRU 6 months ago
@BRUMTOWNTRU "i like russell brand now"
Me too, I thought he was a right tossa until I watched this. :)
goateedswinqer 6 months ago
weird because this young chaps seems like a reasonable lad never mind he's also very educated, it's a shame to see him doing such thing. if i were you I'd be little bit more constructive with myself mate ps no am not white, and have served the country both in Iraq and Afghanistan and you call yourself patriotic if you wanna fight in the name of the country and you call yourself a real geezer than plz come join us in the front line and stop being a fucking red neck,
fajacnaa 6 months ago
Russal Brand is a fucking retard who can't hold an argument especially when he said about having a black prime minister because er because its a multicultural country.
Fucking druggy!
Killyaselfdie 6 months ago
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Also, the immediate violation of Godwins law. If anyone saw the BBC debate with Nick Griffin, it was ironically the anti-facists behaving like Nazisin shutting down free speech. For people who denigrate the BNP as not having a point/popular positions,they sure seem scared of what they have to say.FACT:aggressive immigration to EU states has been a terrible policy(see Paris riots,Van Gogh murder). Policymakers have simply copied US and added mixture of PC thought control- voila-bad policy.
CharlieALabtech 6 months ago
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Also, the immediate violation of Godwins law. If anyone saw the BBC debate with Nick Griffin, it was ironically the anti-facists behaving like Nazisin shutting down free speech. For people who denigrate the BNP as not having a point betraying unpopular they sure seem scared of what they have to say.FACT:aggressive immigration to EU states has been a terrible policy(see Paris riots,Van Gogh murder). Policymakers have simply copied US and added mixture of PC thought control- voila-bad policy.
CharlieALabtech 6 months ago
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This really pissed me off, really. Obviously I will have to make a disclaimer that I'm not a racist b/c aggressive morons like R.Brand have conflated the idea of nationalism with racism- it's similar to saying that socialism is evil because tha Nazis and Soviets practiced.
Look at the body language here people, who is interested in communicating and who isn't.
HERE IS A LITTLE RATIONALTIY FOR EVERYONE READING: Just because the US has had success with immigration DOESN'T mean its good for all!
CharlieALabtech 6 months ago
nazibooooy....dudududu
AliBenBaba 6 months ago
Oh, has qoldentony111 removed his posts?
Chortle.
nfe 7 months ago
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@nfe "Oh, has qoldentony111 removed his posts? Chortle."
I see, faced with the truth of the scale of immigration into London you can only "chortle". As qoldentony111 stated, 43% of the population of London are immigrants.
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@nfe "Woah woah woah. 42.3% of London is non-white British and 31% is non-white (ONS '09). Where on Earth are you getting that 43% of London's population are immigrants? That's an absolute nonsense."
You seemed to have gone quiet on this subject, where are your woah woah woahs now? qoldentony kicked your ignorant ass all the way to ONS and back.
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@qoldentony111
Comment wont post with big links, google this:
"national statistics online neighbourhood london country of birth ks05"
nfe 7 months ago
@qoldentony111
You'll note that the ONS IS where I did the two seconds of research that was required. The results of which I stated below. The ONS tells me that 24.89% of Londoners were born outwith the UK. By all means link me to your sources?
The links to my sources are too long for this post so will follow in next one...
nfe 7 months ago
@nfe "The ONS tells me that 24.89% of Londoners were born outwith the UK"
Chortle chortle, ONS will also tell you that as well as 24.89% of Londoners born outside the UK there are also 18% of Londoners that are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. That leaves White British as just 57% of the capital of the UK. Woah woah woah chortle chortle chortle.
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nfe 6 months ago
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@philipbenham1
2nd and 3rd generation "immigrants" are British people, born and raised here. If you need to redefine "immigrant" in order to present an argument...
And I didn't go quiet on any topic, I gave statistics and your alternative login never responded to them.
nfe 6 months ago
@nfe "2nd and 3rd generation "immigrants" are British people, born and raised here. If you need to redefine "immigrant" in order to present an argument"
A 2nd and 3rd generation ipod is still an ipod
A 2nd and 3rd generation mobile phone is still a mobile phone
A 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant is still an immigrant
If you need to redefine "2nd and 3rd generation immigrant" in order to present an argument...
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@philipbenham1 You cant be a "2nd and 3rd generation immigrant". If you are born in a country you arent an immigrant. I was born here to a white mother and mauritian black father who left before i was born and i havent seen him since. The only "foreign" culture i have experienced is the takeaway down the road. Are you trying to tell me that even though i was born here, it is on my passport and it is in my dna that i am still an immigrant ?
louiscfc93 6 months ago
@louiscfc93 "Are you trying to tell me that even though i was born here, it is on my passport and it is in my dna that i am still an immigrant ?"
Yes, you're a second generation immigrant. As for your passport, you could have arrived from Somalia as a refugee last year, claimed asylum and get a British passport that says you're British but you'd be no more British than the Somalis you left behind. As for your DNA, that would show you're descended from a long line of Mauritians.
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@philipbenham1 My DNA would also show im descended from a long line of Scots. As for passports and Somalis yes i wouldnt be British if i had just arrived on a boat but i have left nothing behind. I was born and raised in this country and have had absolutely no interaction with my Mauritian heritage.
louiscfc93 6 months ago
"My DNA would also show im descended from a long line of Scots."
Fair enough, you're half Scottish and half Mauritian, you're wholly raised by a British mother, I trust you follow traditional British/Scottish culture in that you wouldn't eat halal meat that has been cruelly slaughtered unstunned, you wouldn't marry your first cousin in an arranged marriage, you haven't fled the land of your ancestors in order to gain economic benefits in Britain, then I would say you'd be considered British .
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@philipbenham1 Also ill have you know im fully against the islamification of europe and im trying to organize groups to protest. I just dont bring race into the mix. Its the religious and political ideology of islam i am against because it is a retarded desert dwelling religion of barbarians
louiscfc93 6 months ago
@philipbenham1 The majority of white people here are descended from Irish immigrants or the rape victims of the Romans and Vikings. What does that make them ?
louiscfc93 6 months ago
@louiscfc93 "The majority of white people here are descended from Irish immigrants or the rape victims of the Romans and Vikings"
On what do you base that derogatory and insulting statement? The white British people are the result of ten thousand years of European interaction, in the last thousand years the white British have evolved into a readily identifiable native group, with language and culture wholly unique to these islands. That makes them and their descendants British.
goateedswinqer 6 months ago
@philipbenham1 2nd and 3rd repeats of nonsensical logic is still nonsensical logic.
electrogeek77 5 months ago
@philipbenham1 That was a terrible analogy. I don't think you understand the difference between nationalities and ipods.
HannahIsUnoriginal 2 months ago
@HannahIsUnoriginal "I don't think you understand the difference between nationalities and ipods."
A third generation ipod is still an ipod.
A third generation immigrant is still an immigrant.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 How can you not see how that completely doesn't work as an analogy? *headdesk*
HannahIsUnoriginal 2 months ago
@HannahIsUnoriginal "How can you not see how that completely doesn't work as an analogy? *headdesk*"
Explain why it doesn't work.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 Immigrants are people who move to another country to live. How can someone who is born in a country be defined as someone who moved there if they were born there ? There is no such thing as a 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant because simply they are not immigrants.
louiscfc93 1 month ago
@nfe "2nd and 3rd generation "immigrants" are British people, born and raised here."
Really, next you'll be saying that a dog born and raised in a stable is a horse!
Next you'll be saying a polar bear born and raised in an equatorial zoo is an equatorial bear!
Then you'll be saying an African pygmy born and raised in the North Pole is an eskimo!
philipbenham1 6 months ago
@philipbenham1
who cares about whos an immigrant and whos not`?
unfad1ng 5 months ago
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@unfad1ng "who cares about whos an immigrant and whos not`?"
The indigenous population cares, they are being swamped by a tidal wave of third world immigration which has no benefit to England whatsoever.
philipbenham1 5 months ago
@philipbenham1 Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You. Dull. Cunt.
mufc187 5 months ago
@mufc187 "Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You. Dull. Cunt."
It's my country. I'll say what I want about mass immigration that is making the indigenous English a minority in their own homeland.
philipbenham1 5 months ago
@philipbenham1 How about just meeting people and getting on with them? Ever thought of that, rather than concentrating on all this shit?
mufc187 5 months ago
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@mufc187 "How about just meeting people and getting on with them? Ever thought of that, rather than concentrating on all this shit?"
Ever thought about tugging your head outta your ass?
Ever thought about the fact that Muslim women in this country are forbidden by Islam to marry Christian men? Ever thought of how that may affect multi-cultural social cohesion?
Shall I go out and try to meet a nice Muslim woman?
philipbenham1 5 months ago
@philipbenham1 A racist neanderthal that spews hatred online is still a racist neanderthal.
electrogeek77 5 months ago
@electrogeek77 "A racist neanderthal that spews hatred online is still a racist neanderthal."
A muslim women who is forbidden to marry a christian man because of islamic hatred is still a muslim women who is forbidden to marry a christian man because of islamic hatred.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@philipbenham1 So to what extreme do you take that line of reasoning? Are you a still a Roman/Viking/Celt? or perhaps an early primate? Maybe a primative aquatic organism? Single celled amoeba? Pool of amino acids?
Tossphate 4 months ago
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@Tossphate "Are you a still a Roman/Viking/Celt? or perhaps an early primate? Maybe a primative aquatic organism? Single celled amoeba? Pool of amino acids?"
I am a Caucasian European that evolved in Europe, I am living in Europe precisely where 50,000 years of evolution designed me to live unlike the millions of black and asian economic parasites who have fled their continents to parasite in Europe.
philipbenham1 2 months ago
@qoldentony111
Woah woah woah. 42.3% of London is non-white British and 31% is non-white (ONS '09). Where on Earth are you getting that 43% of London's population are immigrants? That's an absolute nonsense.
nfe 7 months ago
@qoldentony111 In relation to the mistake you referred to, I'm assuming you mean the fact I used statistics based on the United Kingdom as opposed to England. That being said, even if we take England (which I will admit has a much higher population density than the UK as a whole - mostly due to London) at between 350-400 people per square kilometre depending on source - it still puts us way behind many other countries. I'm going to assume you know we're a country built on immigration?
theember 7 months ago
@qoldentony111 Could you please show me where its provably ridiculous? So far you've now stated twice that I'm wrong, despite me pointing out that a quick search on google, using reputable websites, seems to only backup what I've stated.
theember 7 months ago
He is only racist because he has a small penis. Face it.
IzzySykes66 7 months ago
@qoldentony111 You may also want to check our population density vs arable land (potential food growth) possibilities. That puts us alot lower down the density list. Your original comment made it sound almost like we're about to be overrun at any moment by too many immigrants. We're not, we are in fact, not even close.
theember 7 months ago
@qoldentony111 I would but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. So I'll respond to what I remember, my original statement was from a geographical textbook I have lying around (humanities teacher) but since thats not really a quotable source and it's a little outdated we'll look to the internet instead. A quick search links the worldatlas website which rates us at 33rd - with a population density of around 250 - still a huge drop from the top 6 (all over 1000), so my point stands.
theember 7 months ago
"Based on what?" There's the west ham boy in Russel, he changes from, camp crusader pretty quickly! LOVE IT
lukeninersfan 7 months ago
I have massive respect for Russell Brand!!
ColdShaunUK 7 months ago
Thumbs up if you found this because of BookyWook.
olihill101 7 months ago
Whenever they argue, Russell always comes out clearly on top.
RoughOutlineProduce 7 months ago
I mean this in no way based on his politics but there is, without doubt, something a bit "Bear Grylls" about Mark Collet.
cmomofilm 7 months ago
Oh Rusty! I love you, even on crack you keep your integrity...sort of haha
LouiseFaiL 7 months ago
load of bollox stupid prick is brand
joshuawren 7 months ago
I love that he mentioned going to Markys to get lasagne and wine! lol, very British.
cmomofilm 7 months ago
I feel for mark collett having to spend time with that druggie tramp.
Aldeberan9 8 months ago
@Aldeberan9 The multi millionaire, sold out tour having, award winning movie star with the gorgeous popstar wife? What a "druggie tramp" indeed.
cmomofilm 7 months ago
I would be shitting myself I was him xD What's the phrase? "he's got balls"?
rachelseagroatt 8 months ago
there is no way that russell brand is narrow minded.
iamdabossofnepal 9 months ago
i think britian is too soft on other ethnic sociatys as it is white population, take the extreamist muslims chanting "we want danish blood" and yet no one is arrested. yea sure im upset at 9/11 and the other things but that does not mean i want them kicked out of the country. im actualy proud that so many people want to live in this country. its just the extreamists ruin everything.
dave01123 9 months ago
@dave01123 Illiterate people ruin this country.
billyleece 9 months ago
@billyleece "Illiterate people ruin this country." oh so illiterate people offend you do they?, and the fact that you aimed this at me tells me you think im illiterate, well just so you know im dyslexic not illiterate. and im sure others would agree when i say extreamist's do make things worse, i think its just the fact your a grammer nazi my comment upset you.
dave01123 9 months ago
It is impossible to hold a rational debate with what is at heart an irrational belief system. Any debate about race with white supremacists can only go so far before their superficial logic falls apart. It's a frustrating and futile exercise - as Brand discovers, despite his admirable attempt to appeal to Mark's obvious intelligence and better nature.
furQ 9 months ago 3
Haha "Hail, im Russell"
TheIrishPaul 9 months ago
@niave I get what you mean but I disagree, Brand is trying to get inside the head of the BNP member and I think he is attempting to use debate as a way for the member to explain his views. Admittedly I think he loses his head a little in part 3 but that is only because he is so dumb founded at the naziboy's views so he lets loose what he really thinks. Never the less it is certainly not fair to say he looks "like just as much of a bigot" that's just ridiculous.
ajrnagy1 10 months ago
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Funny how racists in every country are all misshapen freaks who claim to be the cream of the race. They REALLY are just angry, small-minded losers with the intellect of a flea. THEY are the only true mud-people on this planet.
squanto2 10 months ago 5
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@squanto2 "They REALLY are just angry, small-minded losers with the intellect of a flea. THEY are the only true mud-people on this planet."
You sound rather angry.
philipbenham1 7 months ago
Mark collet has one major inferiority complex, and is probably a fag
MrMushkin85 10 months ago
brand is such a cunt im a fascist.
bufsoftley 10 months ago
@bufsoftley you're so cool....
WildBassfly 10 months ago
@WildBassfly thanks very much
bufsoftley 10 months ago
@bufsoftley It's called sarcasm dumbass - you obviously arn't cool if you are a fascist
WildBassfly 10 months ago
@WildBassfly coming from u thanks very much 88
bufsoftley 10 months ago
@bufsoftley You dont know me?
WildBassfly 10 months ago
Everyone is going to die, the world will end one day...all of this will not matter, people should just live a happy life
datasafe00 11 months ago
@datasafe00 Cheer up mate!
hydfawr 10 months ago
Russell Brand is such a camp fag....cannot stand that prick.....
rapidtightgroup 11 months ago
@rapidtightgroup Interesting that you call him a fag when he has engaged in more heterosexual activity than most people ever will.
EbsNhexz 10 months ago
Do the BNP actually recruit anyone that casts them in a good light? Everytime they go on TV they make themselves look well and truly fucking ridiculous. I remember last St Georges when Griffin was rambling on about British ID and he had some fat bloke dressed in a white sheet with a red cross painted on the front with a fucking colander on his head lol. It was hysterical.
aaronharms123456 11 months ago
Well Russel Brand is a cheeky cunt. Talks about him awfully then when he enters his house hes as nice as pies. Russel Brands just a drug fueld fag.
wagsta1 11 months ago
@wagsta1 That's because he wanted to be neutral with them. Towards the end he loses it.
GameOfYears 11 months ago
In America, many labor union members, who saw illegal aliens as a threat to their jobs during a time of high
unemployment, thought it was a fine idea to propose a bill, while liberals generally opposed it because it sounded "racist"-illegal aliens being virtually
all non-White.
DerKoniggratzer88 1 year ago
Whites are forcibly infected with the disease of liberalism by the schools and the churches and the plastic pop culture the System churns out for young people these days. Presumably, if they had been raised in a healthy society they would have had some racial pride. Whites seem to have lost the feeling of identity and unity which the Blacks and everyone else still have.
DerKoniggratzer88 1 year ago
@DerKoniggratzer88 We aren't forcibly infected you mug. Liberalism is the only thing that's attempting to keep communities together, and it isn't even allowed to be done properly because of racist Tories and apathetic Labour members. Everyone has a feeling of unity other than these racist organisations, because they're the only ones living in the dark ages on their own.
Thecuregalore94 1 year ago
@DerKoniggratzer88 Having liberal views does not mean that you can't have a feeling of identity! I am proud to be a white British person but I'm against the BNP and everything it stands for. It's because of them that it's difficult for people like me to be patrotic because they've taken the union flag and associated it with something racist!
Bazlovesmusic 1 year ago 2
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@DerKoniggratzer88 The world would be a better place if people were proud of their individual races but learned to live together and respect other people. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this.
Bazlovesmusic 1 year ago 13
@Bazlovesmusic I don't see the point of having pride in your race. We're all one at the end of the day.
Lucanking 11 months ago
@Lucanking Truer words have never been written. ALL racists are the scum of the earth, poisoned by ideology and religion. Someday they will all be gone. : )
squanto2 10 months ago
@Bazlovesmusic I disagree. There is no good reason to be proud of your race, just like there is no good reason to be proud of the dimensions of your fingernails... they are just arbitrary physical qualities that don't play a role in what really makes you you--your mind. If you want to be proud of your culture, go for it. But what's to stop me from falling in love with or growing up in a culture that my race is typically not a part of, like a black Chinese person? Race is an irrelevant factor.
tnunamak 10 months ago
@Bazlovesmusic
why do people have to be proud of their individual race?
schumiisking 9 months ago
@Bazlovesmusic "The world would be a better place if people were proud of their individual races but learned to live together and respect other people. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this."
Nobody would disagree with that. What people may disagree with is mass immigration into one of the most crowded countries in the world, England.
philipbenham1 7 months ago
@philipbenham1 We're 53rd in the list of population density and theres a pretty damn big drop off after the top 5, so where the hell are you getting "one of the most crowded" from?
theember 7 months ago
@Bazlovesmusic because theres only one race the human race!!
Nelladagar 7 months ago 7
@Nelladagar
Sorry, you only say that because they are white. If it was a black nationalist then you'd be saying black power. Now fuck off ya cunt.
reban0 3 months ago
@Bazlovesmusic So they'd be no United States of America then.
Avidcomp 7 months ago
All the liberals and the Jews had to do was begin screeching about "inhumanity" or "injustice" or "genocide," and most of our people
who had been beating around the edges of a solution took to their heels like frightened rabbits. Some particularly liberal ignorant may find that this situation provides a certain amount of satisfaction for their masochism, a way of
atoning for their feelings of racial "guilt."
DerKoniggratzer88 1 year ago
But ignorance of that sort is no more excusable than the bleating, sheep like liberalism of the pseudo-intellectuals who have smugly
promoted Jewish ideology for so many years; or than the selfishness and cowardice of the great American middle class who went
along for the ride, complaining only when their pocketbooks suffered.
DerKoniggratzer88 1 year ago
i agree with a lot of what brand says however the way he went about it was stupid and made him look like a bigger fool ....
seven133 1 year ago
You know whats really funny? The "radical" left is always going on about how the "radical" right is a bunch of police agents....(which is true and has been officially admitted in germany)
Naziboy here (what a weak little child, he couldnt even stand up to that long haired douche, he even let him grab his head) said the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT the radical left.
yet none of these stupid motherfuckers take even a second to pause and ask themselves, what if both sides are run by agents?
good vid
DJpopel 1 year ago
Russell Brand acts like a child... I dont support anything the BNP do or believe but Brands bias approach just makes him look like the narrow minded tool.
niave 1 year ago
@niave Yeah, because when it comes to ideas like racism open mindedness should be employed by all.
"Are you a racist?"
"No, but I keep an open mind to it."
"Oh Jolly good."
ajrnagy1 10 months ago
@niave Yeah because when it comes to ideas like racism open mindedness should always be employed:
A: "Are you a racist?"
B: "No but I keep an open mind towards it."
A: "Oh, well that's jolly good to hear, I can't stand prejudice towards racism"
ajrnagy1 10 months ago
@ajrnagy1 If you dont approach things with an open mind then you look like just as much of a bigot. From a reporter/journalistic perspective you should never go to an interview with just you opinions to push on them.. totally unprofessional.
niave 10 months ago 2
@niave I'm not trying to support his methods, but surely anyone that does a documentary has to be biased to provide a balance to the people they interview?
kly45 9 months ago
"I'd rather wear these sunglasses than your blinkers" :)
notdrivingaminimetro 1 year ago
GOD, RUSSEL BRAND IS SUCH A FUCKING CHAV!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT A LITTLE BITCH.
RAINEY786 1 year ago
@RAINEY786 Ha ha ha, Chav? ha wow
Blocparty01 1 year ago
500 characters does place limits but it prioritises succinctness! Identity is one of the crucial points that we are playing around with here. And when it comes to a multi-cultural community, it is what seems to create problems. Culture is a social bond. When a culture is destabilised people feel threatened. However, being culturally comfortable creates its own problems.
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk. Succinctness is not necessarily a virtue when it comes to thorny subject matter!
"Culturally comfortable" – I would ask what you mean by that? And what problems do you speak of?
Does identity cause problems with multiculturalism or is multiculturalism actually the problem? Destroying or downplaying identity to preserve multiculturalism seems like a fascistic ideology to me, given that identity develops quite naturally, whereas I know of no organic multicultural societies.
CeltoSaxonKnight 1 year ago
@CeltoSaxonKnight I mean that culture changes. And to try and hold on to traditions too dogmatically doesn't serve organic change. Culture should be re-defined by each new generation, even if it's a reformulation of old traditions, as of course some traditions are very good.
You are right, bending to fit other people's mores can be self-destructive. I've been hesitating to bring up the US, but they're the big multi-cultural experiment, and have produced a wealth of new and interesting things
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk Culture does change, although for us to recognise a particular culture as distinct it must have essential properties which persist through change. We should always seek to preserve our heritage. It has value beyond mere economics & we disregard it at our peril. The strongest trees have the deepest roots. The deculturalising influence of mass media, popular culture and consumerism are destructive beyond measure. People without strong roots are ready victims to these influences.
CeltoSaxonKnight 1 year ago
@CeltoSaxonKnight I stressed the importance of heritage & traditions, you're tipping windmills - there's no-one on the other side of that argument. I like your trees analogy. Just, the strongest oak can snap in a powerful storm, regardless of the depths of its roots. A tree that bends or yields in the winds endures. Mass media, pop. culture and consumerism have a destructive element. Sounds a bit paranoid if you're relating that to 'multi-culturalism' though.
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk
The connection is that both multiculturalism and popular culture have deculturalising effects, which we should seek to minimise.
I've walked many a wood and forest in our beautiful land and have never seen a snapped oak! So, though I understand your point, it seems the forest has deeper wisdom still to teach...
CeltoSaxonKnight 1 year ago
I think Britain has been suffering from some rather flimsy liberal post-colonial guilt for a long time. And, in a way, it's hard to deny people from commonwealth countries opportunities in Britain. The European Union immigration is the tide that needs to be stemmed, at a time when people need jobs we have got to be more inward looking. Where do you live in the UK?
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk
We can best help commonwealth countries by preferential trade agreements & investing in their industries. What will not help them is disturbing our own well established culture and economic set-up by allowing them uncontrolled and unnecessary access to our country.
The EU is another thing we never voted for and needs to be decommissioned. Europe should consist of a set of strong nation states bound by mutually beneficial alliances.
CeltoSaxonKnight 1 year ago
@CeltoSaxonKnight They are both pretty good points. I work in Europe so the EU benefits me, although I still have some strong doubts about the overall efficacy of it.
Your main point though is whether multi-culturalism works. It does and it doesn't. It depends on the residents of a country and whether they regard it as an erosion of their identity or an opportunity to integrate new elements into their culture (this works the same for the immigrants). Both hosts and guests have to yield.
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk
Thanks. People worked in Europe (& vice-versa) before EU... So not sure the EU is needed for that.
For me integrating new elements should be either by consent of people or by more organic processes than simply shipping in lots of people and hoping. My reading is that people don't naturally choose to integrate on a large scale. If that is the case attempting to socially engineer integration will only backfire.
But there wasn't even a good reason for it in the 1st place...
CeltoSaxonKnight 1 year ago
@CeltoSaxonKnight The EU reduces the amount of bureaucratic problems, which I appreciate. Like I said though, I still have my doubts about how it benefits individual countries.
That old oxymoron, social engineering, is just that - a mechanical way of organising social groups, which, if tampered with too much, debases the social group. Three terms you use puzzle me 'consent of people'; shipping in of lots of people'; 'the 1st place'. Can you elucidate when and what exactly you are referring?
GRJones92hk 1 year ago
@GRJones92hk.
Perhaps. Did you work in Europe pre-EU? If so what difficulties have been sol