Dammit! and I thought this Acetone would work. Thanks for ruining this secret for me just like my dad told me one Xmas night that he was the jolly saint Nick.
How much weight did your "full tank" add vs. the 4gal. run? You failed to take into account the weight of the full tank. Your runs should've been with a full load of fuel. Interesting though, none the less.
yeah 2 to 3 ounces of acetone per 10 gallons of gas. By using three times too much I'm surprised it didn't decrease the efficiency below using straight gas.
I enjoyed the experiments. You are supposed to put about 2 ounces of acetone for every 10 gallons of gas for the best results. It also helps emissions.
Hey did you take into account that the weight of the car was less with the acetone...as you weight reduce you should get better mileage...next time fill up before each run, this would give you a more acurate results. Great effort!
@kent636 - a single run was only about 11 km in length so only a small amount of fuel was used. 55mpg is about 4.3L/100km so a single run used about 473ml of fuel... less than 2 cups ;)
Hollow out your cat. I got 4 mi. to the gallon more and truck runs much better. As long as there's no oxy sensor behind the cat and your not in Califonia your ok. Lower the gas prices and I'll put my cat back on Government assholes! Until then hope you choke to death.
Government mandated addition of ethanol to fuel greatly reduces or elliminates any gains that were once possibly by adding acetone to your fuel. Even worse is that by adding ethanol to fuel, it actually reduces MPG's, thus we actually end up using more fuel and that negates the whole purpose of why they started adding ethanol in the first place. We need to get the government to revoke the ethanol requirement, then things like adding acetone will start producing great results again!
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with a 1.0L 3 cylinder engine with a 5 speed manual (the most fuel efficient car in Canada for '97). At 50-mph, the car has to push less wind, so that's why it got mid-50s in fuel economy.
I agree, the few extra miles per gallon doesn't constitute the hassle. that's why I sold my only car back in June and have been riding a bicycle since.
The metro was pretty much stock. The secret to the 50+ mpg is driving slowly. The car got around 80-mpg at a steady 35-mph, 55-mpg at 50-mpg, and only about 37-mpg at 70-mph. The wind resistance is what makes fuel economy drop.
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with a 3 cylinder, 5-speed. I drove the car until it got wrecked in a crash in March (see my 'living without a car' videos) and ever since I've been riding a bicycle so I never have to buy gas again ;)
hey my man, thanks for the doc. may a better evailuation would be to topyou tank off. then make your run, a nd top agian the see the fuel used for the milage. i would not bank on that black box for the would. it looks homemade
That's what I was thinking, however why didn't the fuel economy increase when I filled the tank and thus diluting the acetone to more 'normal' levels?
In the end, the Geo Metro was a costly vehicle to drive. Every mile cost about $0.25 in overall operation cost (initial purchase, gas, insurance, parking, car-washes, etc.). I'm not riding a $5 bicycle everywhere and I'm saving $500/month! :)
man i wish gas was still that cheap it was grrrrr the gas is going over 2 dollers now its gas is going over 4 dollers less angry than when it went over 2 doler it really sucks because it might be like 6 dollers when i start driving
Just wait until you try to get a job and the other applicants can spell both "dollar" and "rupee" correctly 100% of the time! Think how hard it will be to afford gas then!
Because the ScanGauge is the only way I know that measures fuel economy in real-time. Otherwise, measuring tank-by-tank renders different results (different wind speeds, temperatures, traffic volume, etc.)
The scangauge is not very good at indicating real time mpg at all. That is because it does not have access to information like injector pulse width. Instead it can only "guess" by using MAF / MAP data combines with speed and few things to help adjust for things like temperature.
So why, for instance, were my actual full-ups at the gas station always very close to what the ScanGauge read?
The device will never be 100% accurate (in fact no measuring device is) but I find it to be very *precise*. There's a difference between precision and accuracy.
Do you own a ScanGuage? Maybe you should try one out before formulating your opinions. Also, please refer me to a device that works better if your think the ScanGauge is so inferior.
I'm still trying to find out more about how it works. I have discovered that some cars offer MAF data throught OBDII port and some other cars don't, in which case it has to use MAP data, which ends up making it much less accurate, apparently.
The ScanGauge plugs right into the OBDII port usually found at the bottom of the dashboard.
You have to 'train' the device so you get more accurate results in the future (by inputting actual fuel used into the ScanGauge to make any corrections). After just a few months, the device was reporting within 0.1 litres of fuel actually consumed when checked at the gas pump.
However, the point of the video I was trying to make is that acetone doesn't deliver significant results to offset extra cost.
I know all that. I looked in to more depth in to the computer type of information that you can extract from the OBDII port. Unfortunately, there is no accurate fuel injection data available. The mpg can be calculated using MAF or MAP data, combined with speed and a few other corrections.
But it appears to be by no means accurate - I don't see how.
For instance, when you change your city/hwy mix, it drifts drastically. If you drive the exact same route to work every day it's a little better.
Really? I drove in a wide variety of driving conditions and didn't see a hitch in the ScanGauge measurements once it was calibrated correctly. Like I say, you really have to try the device out yourself to see its capabilities.
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with the 3-cylinder, 5-speed in the video. It was wrecked in a collision in March and I've never bothered buying another car since gas prices have gone crazy.
Looks like the Metro has a MAF sensor. My Honda Element doesn't. Looks like cars without MAF sensors are bad candidates for a scangauge. The scangauge website just markets it as a one size fits all, but they they really should list which ones have a MAF and which ones don't. But even with a MAF, I'm skeptical about its accuracy.
Wow that's really odd that the device wouldn't be compatible with a Honda Element. I too thought that it worked with pretty much any car made 1996 and up. Strange.
1.Getting Hundreds of miles per gallon no matter which vehicle you choose, can never be replaced by a bicycle.
2.If you ARE riding or considering riding a bicycle regularly, you should consider the study (no source to quote) that found that the regular type seat is damaging to the male reproductive system including the levels of testosterone produced and should be replaced by the double pad type that is missing the center section allowing room for the male parts to, well, hang.lol :)
Yeah, I've put on nearly 500 kilometers on my bike since getting it in June (and I only paid $5 for it!). So really, that's only like 1 cent/km ridden compared to the 17 cents/km in the Geo Metro. I figure I'm saving about $550/month just by getting rid of my car. You can see footage of my daily commute by bicycle on my recent videos.
Yeah, the skinnier seats with the hollow centers work wonders :)
You can not use a scangauge to measure real time mpg, because the scangauge can only guess the mpg rating. Problem is that scangauge has to make due with MAF or MAP data and does not how much fuel is actually injected.
You're correct. It's not 100% accurate. However it turns out to be a very precise way of measuring. For months my fill-ups were within 100 milliliters of what the ScanGauge read I consumed.
But more to the point: Obviously acetone isn't enough to increase fuel economy in large amounts. Hence why I no longer own a vehicle and ride a bike everywhere ($5+ gas in Canada here now).
Just search 'scangauge' on google. They sell for $170. I can't give you the website address people YouTube blocks the comment from being posted if I do.
I only scangauge can accurately indicate real time mpg. It can't, because it doesn't actually know the actual fuel injection amount. It has to make due with MAF/MAP data. Look it up! See how the OBDII port works.
It's was a 1997 Geo Metro 2 door with a 3 cylinder, 5 speed manual transmission. It was Canada's #1 most fuel efficient car for that year it was made.
Yikes! So you got much worse fuel efficiency? I've personally given up on owning a car completely and now only own a bicycle (gas is $1.40/litre in Canada right now. I'm sure it's much higher where you're from though).
I dont know how everyone else is coping... I just lean the car off a bit more, everytime the price goes up... I'm gutted I didnt lean it off sooner... The Hydrogen (waterboost) unit makes a big difference... It certainly stops the engine melting (cos' I'm running it so lean...)
The tin of acetone was completely pure, but you're right, the initial concentration was not 'correct' However, why didn't the fuel economy increase when I filled the tank and diluted the acetone to a more 'normal' mixture? Instead it went down.
That's actually a good point, even though it's not a big difference it is still feasible. I think I'll keep my tank half-filled from now on unless I have to travel far.
You might want to try the effects when your tank is empty, and add 2oz/10gal of acetone before you fill the tank allowing the fuel to properly mix in your tank instead of partially mixing in your tank. This could help you, it's what I've been told. Might try that?
I would but I actually gave up on fuel prices altogether in March (gas is currently getting close to $6/gallon in Canada), and now I only own a bicycle.
Adding too much acetone (more than 3oz/10gal) will reduce your gas mileage by changing the octane. In this test approx. 2.5oz of acetone was added to 3.9gal of gas; a rate of 6.4oz/10gal. I'd suggest Recalibrating your equipment and trying the test at the optimum acetone/gas ratio; 3oz/10gal.
So... u save a mile per gallon... on average thats about 15 to 16 miles per tank.. which is a little more than 1/4 of a gallon... which at 5.00 a gallon ur saving 1.25 on a tank... how much does acetone cost and what are the longer term affects on your engine from acetone? acetone is used to prepare metal for paintings, suggests it might be a big corrosive... fuel injection cost more than a couple dollars u might save
I totally agree, the $1.25 per tankful doesn't outpace the cost of the acetone itself. Thus acetone isn't effective enough to really 'save the world' of its energy crisis.
Hey dude, let me tell you something: when you filled up, the acetone got diluted by the gasoline you put in the tank.. it is not that acetone has a soul or anything like that haha. But I think your video is kind of interesting though. 3 stars.
I didn't read all the comments but here's some input. I have a 94 geo metro, 3 cyl, and I add 3 oz to the 8 gal tank. I get 59 mpg using 91 octane. When I use 2 oz, I get minimal improvement, about 56 up from 55 mpg. I haven't tried 4 oz yet so we'll see.
and one thing more. using acetone might destroy your car in a collision!(and it even ran/drove the driver to the nearest hospital after that!) Happy safe driving!
thats a tough car you have my friend! But still i admit thats no good to my car. Better you use acetone to remove nail polish. i can still use acetone if ever someone put some water on my gas tank. it helps somehow
What was your gas tank filled to when you started this test? Before acetone ,If you had afull tank it would be a lot heavier which wastes gas more. What would your milage be verses a full tank with acetone?
The gas tank only had 3.9 gallons in it when I added the acetone (see 2:32). When I filled the tank, I added 25.56 litres later (see 4:56) which is about 6.73 gallons. Really not much weight added at all.
i already tried that! mixing acetone in fuel? Nice it really works! But unfortunately after a month or so. my engine gasket have been damaged. and some of rubber gasket ring inside the distributor have been damaged too. Better NOT to try that experiment.
Odd... I never had any engine problems when I used acetone. There were 283,000 kilometres on my car before it was destroyed in a collision (and it even ran/drove after that!).
must have just been a coincidence that your seals went, the only seals that the fuel or fuel vapors come into contact with would be the fuel injector seals.
I replied to the wrong one, but you get my drift. Time is not being measured, though. The MPG are, so it is a toss-up between what you want, more MPG or more convenience. I see exactly what you are saying though.
What I am suggesting is that you got a better fuel mileage rating b/c you did the test at only 5 gallons left in the tank. That in turn affected the end results by making the MPG better than they actually were (compared to a full tank b/c of weight)
No the amount of fuel in the tank will not "measurably" affect the results of this test. but its also a false test since it takes "time" for the vehicle to use up the fuel thats already in the fuel lines injectors etc.. Does anyone know how much ful is IN the fuel system but not in the fuel tank?
I see. But time is still not being measured here is what I am suggesting. Of course it takes time to use fuel, but that is not what is reducing the amount of fuel used. Overall resistance and mechanical efficiency are what determine the amount of fuel used. "how much ful is IN the fuel system but not in the fuel tank".....i hadn't even thought of that bit..
Typically every 100 pounds of weight reduced will increase mpg by .1 mpg. even if his car had a 20gallon tank that would only increase his mass on the second test by 90 pounds. He probably has a 10gal tank so mass change would only be around 45 pounds. No method we currently use to measure mpg can detect this change outside of normal statiscal variations and environmental variables.
B)You just fucked up your car. You're only suppose to put half of what you put into a full gas tank. Don't be surprised if you car starts smoking a month from now.
I suggest that every one should read up on acetone before ever handling with it. It CAN do good if you use it the right way.
I didn't screw up my car at all. I put on 283K on it before it was totaled in a collision. And even then it still drove! check out my video where I show the Geo's Demise after the collision.
Here in Arizona be advised that using Acetone in the fuel is concidered "tampering with the emmissions of a vehicle" according to ADOT. The fine is too much for me,
Yeah, it's been mentioned several times. I want to redo the test with my dad's Intrepid (I no longer own a car), however I lost my MPG-meter last summer and it makes no sense to buy another one for $170 just for the one more video experiment.
Temperature and air density could have more than 1 mpg effect over the course of that test than fuel additives, making the test invalid.
RE: Ethanol and Methanol. Both have Oxygen in saturation, Gasoline does not. Your car's computer needs to adjust the fuel:air mix ratio to compensate. Many modern cars can do this on-the-fly, others are crap at it. Some get better results because of this. Carb engines need re-jetting.
Simply pumping your tires up to 45psi would achieve better results.
Regina sucks ;) Did you do any tests with Methanol? Im going to giver a shot with adding to gas as well as electrolysis. I figure methanol is a better bet with CH3OH vs acetones CH3COCH3. Dont know its just a hunch. I know they inject this into dragsters but my car would die with direct injection. Im looking for pollution and mileage. any thoughts?
That sounds interesting. Where would you get methanol from?
And yes, I dislike living in Regina these days because it's no longer a cheap place to live. My parent's house went from $109K to $410K in just 10 years. How can a person afford a house like that? I'm moving to cheap Windsor Ontario once I save a couple grand working here. Lots of nice homes in Windsor for $100K.
Ya prices are nuts. We bought our 810 sqft house 2 years ago for 148K and now theres some in the neighborhood going for 260K same size and no garage. Im in Saskatoon btw. I guess the west is where its at. Oil boom and all. Tonnes of jobs though. As for methanol it goes by other names such as methyl hydrate
wood alcohol and carbinol. These should be available at autoshops that are aftermarket shops. Same places youd find NOS.
You also have to remember your car weighs more with a full tank of gas. test it, messure 2 runs with topped off tanks, then 2 runs at 1/4 tank. You will see a big difference in gas milage.
actually this should NOT be a significant factor. Typically you lose .1mpg per 100 pounds. 13 gallons of fuel only masses out at around 80 pounds. IE the different from full to empty would be less than .1mpg so you can safely ignore this value. Even the 35 gallon tank in my Clubwagon would only mass out at 220 pounds or so full.
I am no longer as certain. I am trying to gather empirical data on this and Stopped using acetone. My mileage immediately when from 24-25mpg to 19.5mpg but 2 tanks later is went back to 24mpg 21mpg 22mpg which implies the acetone is NOT the cause.
I am working on a way to get more accurate figures for this. A way to test it further. Acetone is so cheap its worth investigating if it really helps or not.
Personally I really do not like the idea of using any liquid additives in any forms of petrol. I believe the fuel mileage increases with 1.)less weight, 2.) better aerodynamics, 3.)driving style, 4.)correct tyre pressure. these are my fundamentals when trying to get the most out of my tank of gas. I am still experimenting with the "tornado" and different ways to mechanically increase the efficiency of a combustion engine.
I do not know. So far everyone says no but not on in authority AND unbiased (IE not working for oil) has come forward for or against. I can not fathom how 3 ounces of acetone in my tank can do any harm. I KNOW water can hurt my engine and I do not thing 3 oz of water would do any harm so how can acetone? (35 gallon tank)
It never seemed to have any negative affects to my car. The engine ran perfect, even after suffering from a major collision at 283K. It was written off in March, 2008.
none whatsoever, only improves the mpg by improving the efficiency of gasoline combustion process. However acetone costs money and that is why its not added to the gasoline at the pump
what happened to the metro anyways? BTW you are supposed to use 100% acetone only not the crap from HD which is not 100%, and only need an ounce per 10 gal which is enough and sure makes a difference especially in vehicles with bigger engines.
The car was involved in a major collision. You can see the damage in my "Living Without a Car (part 3)". It was written off and I got $990 from my insurance company for it.
too many engine reliability problems, when I said they sucked that is what I meant, nothing against little cars. The new smart car is a excellent design .
Well I live by acetone. I have no idea if it IMPROVES mpg over gasoline alone but it DEFINITELY improves mpg over gasoline with ETHANOL. Grr I lost 14.5% of my fuel economy in my clubwagon to that damned ethanol (YES I extensively tested this and confirmed IT IS the ethanol) I even took 15 gallons of gas out of my jeep (pre ethanol gas) and my economy IMMEDIATELY went back to where it was pre ethanol!. The Acetone (1oz per 10 gal!) seemed to "offset" the lose from the ethanol almost 100%
That sounds interesting. I also share your dislike for ethanol-enhanced fuels. It drives up the price of food and there's no way (even if the entire nation was corn crops) that ethanol would sufficiently replace oil completely.
well what drove me nuts is I did the math. 14.5% loss in economy by replacing 10% of our gas with ethanol means I am now buying 4.5% MORE foreign oil than without ethanol. GENIUS !! :-)
I believe your numbers are quite correct indeed. For decades environmentalists complained about the MTBE in gasoline and were completely ignored by the oil companies until they realised the potentioal extra proffits they could make by switching to the low cost less efficient octane booster "Ethanol" So we are not only buying lower quality gas at a higher prices, but we are getting less miles per gallon as well.
I too have tested the loss of efficiency with ethanol. My loss was 25MPG w/ non-eth. down to 21MPG w/ eth. A decrease of 12%
So now I get 40 less miles per tank which means I have to buy 2 more gallons of fuel to make up the difference. If Ethanol is 10% of my fuel, NERYS71 is absolutely correct . . . I'm buying nearly 100 gallons more of straight gasoline per year than before Ethanol was cramped down our throats by our pal GWB and our inept Congress.
Well maybe if you were to put it into my car which gets a whole 18MPG and i got 21 out of it. it would be worth the cost with gas now being $3.65 a gallon
I guess I didn't realize Geos got such great mileage. I thought 30mpg was good, but 57, 58? That's pretty dern good with or without acetone if you ask me.
That's only because I was doing 50-mph. If I do 70-mph I only get in the mid 30mpg range. But if I hold a steady throttle at 35-mph in 5th gear, I get 80mpg! :)
Wind resistance is a huge factor in fuel economy. Sort of like it's a lot harder to pedal a bike at 30-mph than 15-mph.
Nope, the 80-mpg at 35 mph is on flat ground. The car only uses about 0.4 gallons per hour at that speed (35-mph divided by 0.4 = 87.5mpg) because the engine is only doing 1500 rpm.
I'd give you my Geo, but it was in a collision 2 months ago. Gas prices are supposed to exceed $5 a gallon here in Canada this summer, so I haven't bought a new car. I'm riding my bike now :)
The reality is the car weighed less when you only had five gallons in it and even less by the time you ran the acetone, then with a full tank you got like 1 mile or so per gallon worse and that is due to the extra weight of the fuel in the gas tank. Acetone is hard on every moving part because it strips the lubricants and creates heat.
The added weight does make sense. Also keep in mind that I adjusted the ScanGauge slightly after the fill-up at the gas station which could have also affected the 5th recording.
I have an urge to redo the experiment again with another car, but my ScanGauge is lost :(
Agreed Acetone can help fuel efficiency..but Acetone was known to cause damage to O-rings, Gaskets, or any materials made of rubber in the Engine. Nice idea though.
I personally didn't have any engine trouble with my Geo (it even still ran and drove after a major collision at 283K). However I only used acetone for a few tankfuls because even with a 2.45% fuel economy increase, it didn't make economical sense to spend money on the acetone.
Driving techniques are most important. The best way to save fuel is to drive gently, anticipating changes in terrain, making sure your tires are not low, the car is tuned up, etc. Today's gasoline engines are almost 100% efficient and adding various fuel additives that promise high mpg returns is just a great way of taking money from silly people. If you have a Ford F350 and you're getting 10 highway and you think dumping a bottle of something is gonna get you to 20 highway, then...
It takes gas to haul gas
Elysarkisyanify 9 months ago
@nathanlorimer - I'm from Regina Saskatchewan ;)
landongendur 1 year ago
Dammit! and I thought this Acetone would work. Thanks for ruining this secret for me just like my dad told me one Xmas night that he was the jolly saint Nick.
charronfamilyconnect 1 year ago
How much weight did your "full tank" add vs. the 4gal. run? You failed to take into account the weight of the full tank. Your runs should've been with a full load of fuel. Interesting though, none the less.
fast34me 1 year ago
@fast34me - the amount of the fill was an extra 40 pounds - about a 2% increase in total vehicle weight.
landongendur 1 year ago
@fast34me it wont make that much differences. Also he is going constant speed, not accelerating.
NoxNoctisUmbra 1 year ago
oh my gosh, it's so magical :D
coolgames14 1 year ago
yeah 2 to 3 ounces of acetone per 10 gallons of gas. By using three times too much I'm surprised it didn't decrease the efficiency below using straight gas.
94dgrif 1 year ago
I enjoyed the experiments. You are supposed to put about 2 ounces of acetone for every 10 gallons of gas for the best results. It also helps emissions.
georgehenryify 1 year ago
Hey did you take into account that the weight of the car was less with the acetone...as you weight reduce you should get better mileage...next time fill up before each run, this would give you a more acurate results. Great effort!
kent636 1 year ago
@kent636 - a single run was only about 11 km in length so only a small amount of fuel was used. 55mpg is about 4.3L/100km so a single run used about 473ml of fuel... less than 2 cups ;)
landongendur 1 year ago
Hollow out your cat. I got 4 mi. to the gallon more and truck runs much better. As long as there's no oxy sensor behind the cat and your not in Califonia your ok. Lower the gas prices and I'll put my cat back on Government assholes! Until then hope you choke to death.
SUPERBWON 1 year ago 2
Government mandated addition of ethanol to fuel greatly reduces or elliminates any gains that were once possibly by adding acetone to your fuel. Even worse is that by adding ethanol to fuel, it actually reduces MPG's, thus we actually end up using more fuel and that negates the whole purpose of why they started adding ethanol in the first place. We need to get the government to revoke the ethanol requirement, then things like adding acetone will start producing great results again!
Scoltz1 1 year ago
The proper mix is 3 oz acetone + 3 oz xylene + 3 oz diesel in 10 gal gas. My '84 2.4L Toyota pickup increased mpg by 25%
romur1 3 years ago
How did u even get 57 MPG? What kind of car do u have?
wardubo 3 years ago
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with a 1.0L 3 cylinder engine with a 5 speed manual (the most fuel efficient car in Canada for '97). At 50-mph, the car has to push less wind, so that's why it got mid-50s in fuel economy.
landongendur 3 years ago
You neglecting to take the weight of the gas into effect.
duanekimball 3 years ago 7
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ray5961 1 year ago
How did you get 57 mpg anyway?
darkflame737 3 years ago 5
Any Geo Metro (with a 3 cylinder) will get well over 50 mpg if the speed is limited to 50-mph.
landongendur 3 years ago
I have a subaru legacy...can I use acetone in it and how much???????????
nakedbullwinkle 3 years ago
puta madre, solo aumentaste una puta milla, no vale verga
SpeedMetal4635 3 years ago
I agree, the few extra miles per gallon doesn't constitute the hassle. that's why I sold my only car back in June and have been riding a bicycle since.
landongendur 3 years ago
The metro was pretty much stock. The secret to the 50+ mpg is driving slowly. The car got around 80-mpg at a steady 35-mph, 55-mpg at 50-mpg, and only about 37-mpg at 70-mph. The wind resistance is what makes fuel economy drop.
landongendur 3 years ago
come to think of it, it is only a 3 cylinder right?
Tboom123 3 years ago
fuck acetone. Its all about the xylene.
iroc464 3 years ago
i doubt you can get better gas milage if your already gettin 60mpgs.
camaro25 3 years ago
Actually acetone will increase consumption if you add too much of it, and decrease it if you add just the right amount. (1:500)
NoIndexHere 3 years ago
So how come the fuel economy decreased when I filled the gas tank and brought the ratio closer to 1:500? Shouldn't it have gone up instead?
Either way, I haven't owned a vehicle since June. I sold my car when gas hit $5/gallon in Canada and now I ride a bike to and from work.
landongendur 3 years ago
i was born on 16.APR 1983
zloben9000 3 years ago
what kind of car do u have that gets almost 60 mpg? wtf yeah right
*jealous*
tonyaisntarobot 3 years ago 2
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with a 3 cylinder, 5-speed. I drove the car until it got wrecked in a crash in March (see my 'living without a car' videos) and ever since I've been riding a bicycle so I never have to buy gas again ;)
landongendur 3 years ago
you dont need acetone with almost 60mpg's
Xeonsteel08 3 years ago
hey my man, thanks for the doc. may a better evailuation would be to topyou tank off. then make your run, a nd top agian the see the fuel used for the milage. i would not bank on that black box for the would. it looks homemade
tallman2c 3 years ago
Results vary on using acetone.
But it's for sure that u used way to mutch acetone for the amount of fuel involved.
That's why your milage didn't vary so mutch.
Try with smaller doses and you can see a 10% increase easy !
My car has a 35 liter tank and my optimal acetone dose is about 50ml on a full tank.
Since i pay just 3 euro's for a liter of acetone it's well worth the money.
Acetone does work but you need to get the dose right to get results...
Shicomm 3 years ago
That's what I was thinking, however why didn't the fuel economy increase when I filled the tank and thus diluting the acetone to more 'normal' levels?
In the end, the Geo Metro was a costly vehicle to drive. Every mile cost about $0.25 in overall operation cost (initial purchase, gas, insurance, parking, car-washes, etc.). I'm not riding a $5 bicycle everywhere and I'm saving $500/month! :)
landongendur 3 years ago
man i wish gas was still that cheap it was grrrrr the gas is going over 2 dollers now its gas is going over 4 dollers less angry than when it went over 2 doler it really sucks because it might be like 6 dollers when i start driving
magetrix9 3 years ago
I agree that gas has gotten absolutely crazy. So crazy in fact that I sold my only car I had left in June and switched to riding my bicycle to work.
I figure that I saved $550+ a month just by going car-free!
landongendur 3 years ago
Just wait until you try to get a job and the other applicants can spell both "dollar" and "rupee" correctly 100% of the time! Think how hard it will be to afford gas then!
aphor 3 years ago
I still can't believe that gas is 'only' $1.029 in this video. It reached $1.459 just a few days ago! :O
landongendur 3 years ago
1 gallon costs 16 dollars
TheAmigops 3 years ago
It's definitely not cheap stuff. That can featured in the video is only about 1 quart and it cost $10! So more like $40 a gallon.
Clearly, acetone is not the solution to our future transportation needs.
landongendur 3 years ago
Why is that every fucking acetone bit, always seems to lead to that goddamn scamgauge?
a1mint 3 years ago
Because the ScanGauge is the only way I know that measures fuel economy in real-time. Otherwise, measuring tank-by-tank renders different results (different wind speeds, temperatures, traffic volume, etc.)
landongendur 3 years ago
The scangauge is not very good at indicating real time mpg at all. That is because it does not have access to information like injector pulse width. Instead it can only "guess" by using MAF / MAP data combines with speed and few things to help adjust for things like temperature.
End of day: scanguage is not accurate.
a1mint 3 years ago
So why, for instance, were my actual full-ups at the gas station always very close to what the ScanGauge read?
The device will never be 100% accurate (in fact no measuring device is) but I find it to be very *precise*. There's a difference between precision and accuracy.
Do you own a ScanGuage? Maybe you should try one out before formulating your opinions. Also, please refer me to a device that works better if your think the ScanGauge is so inferior.
landongendur 3 years ago
I'm still trying to find out more about how it works. I have discovered that some cars offer MAF data throught OBDII port and some other cars don't, in which case it has to use MAP data, which ends up making it much less accurate, apparently.
a1mint 3 years ago
The ScanGauge plugs right into the OBDII port usually found at the bottom of the dashboard.
You have to 'train' the device so you get more accurate results in the future (by inputting actual fuel used into the ScanGauge to make any corrections). After just a few months, the device was reporting within 0.1 litres of fuel actually consumed when checked at the gas pump.
However, the point of the video I was trying to make is that acetone doesn't deliver significant results to offset extra cost.
landongendur 3 years ago
I know all that. I looked in to more depth in to the computer type of information that you can extract from the OBDII port. Unfortunately, there is no accurate fuel injection data available. The mpg can be calculated using MAF or MAP data, combined with speed and a few other corrections.
But it appears to be by no means accurate - I don't see how.
For instance, when you change your city/hwy mix, it drifts drastically. If you drive the exact same route to work every day it's a little better.
a1mint 3 years ago
Really? I drove in a wide variety of driving conditions and didn't see a hitch in the ScanGauge measurements once it was calibrated correctly. Like I say, you really have to try the device out yourself to see its capabilities.
landongendur 3 years ago
What type of car do you have?
a1mint 3 years ago
It was a 1997 Geo Metro with the 3-cylinder, 5-speed in the video. It was wrecked in a collision in March and I've never bothered buying another car since gas prices have gone crazy.
landongendur 3 years ago
Looks like the Metro has a MAF sensor. My Honda Element doesn't. Looks like cars without MAF sensors are bad candidates for a scangauge. The scangauge website just markets it as a one size fits all, but they they really should list which ones have a MAF and which ones don't. But even with a MAF, I'm skeptical about its accuracy.
a1mint 3 years ago
Wow that's really odd that the device wouldn't be compatible with a Honda Element. I too thought that it worked with pretty much any car made 1996 and up. Strange.
landongendur 3 years ago
I didn't incompatible. I said that if your car has a MAF sensor it's going to be more accurate than if you don't have a MAF sensor.
Why did you think I said it wasn't compatible with a Honda Element? I said "bad candidate", which still means it's actually possible.
a1mint 3 years ago
Oh I see what you mean now. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
landongendur 3 years ago
Havn't u seen the HHO stuff here on youtube???
roguerock22 3 years ago
Yeah I sure have. However I found something even more efficient that that:
a bicycle. I figure if people under the age of 16 can live without a car, so can I :)
landongendur 3 years ago
2points:
1.Getting Hundreds of miles per gallon no matter which vehicle you choose, can never be replaced by a bicycle.
2.If you ARE riding or considering riding a bicycle regularly, you should consider the study (no source to quote) that found that the regular type seat is damaging to the male reproductive system including the levels of testosterone produced and should be replaced by the double pad type that is missing the center section allowing room for the male parts to, well, hang.lol :)
roguerock22 3 years ago
Yeah, I've put on nearly 500 kilometers on my bike since getting it in June (and I only paid $5 for it!). So really, that's only like 1 cent/km ridden compared to the 17 cents/km in the Geo Metro. I figure I'm saving about $550/month just by getting rid of my car. You can see footage of my daily commute by bicycle on my recent videos.
Yeah, the skinnier seats with the hollow centers work wonders :)
landongendur 3 years ago
Cool, see ya.
roguerock22 3 years ago
You can not use a scangauge to measure real time mpg, because the scangauge can only guess the mpg rating. Problem is that scangauge has to make due with MAF or MAP data and does not how much fuel is actually injected.
It drifts all over the place.
a1mint 3 years ago
You're correct. It's not 100% accurate. However it turns out to be a very precise way of measuring. For months my fill-ups were within 100 milliliters of what the ScanGauge read I consumed.
But more to the point: Obviously acetone isn't enough to increase fuel economy in large amounts. Hence why I no longer own a vehicle and ride a bike everywhere ($5+ gas in Canada here now).
landongendur 3 years ago
haha, the ending is funny :)
1nazchan 3 years ago
I'm glad you enjoyed.
landongendur 3 years ago
Where can I get one of those guages?
Ricangal 3 years ago
Just search 'scangauge' on google. They sell for $170. I can't give you the website address people YouTube blocks the comment from being posted if I do.
landongendur 3 years ago
I only scangauge can accurately indicate real time mpg. It can't, because it doesn't actually know the actual fuel injection amount. It has to make due with MAF/MAP data. Look it up! See how the OBDII port works.
a1mint 3 years ago
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It worked for me :)
landongendur 3 years ago
What kind of car are you driving?
Ricangal 3 years ago
It's was a 1997 Geo Metro 2 door with a 3 cylinder, 5 speed manual transmission. It was Canada's #1 most fuel efficient car for that year it was made.
landongendur 3 years ago
I tried this and was dissapointed... It turned out the acetone increased the viscosity of the fuel allowing more through the injectors...
waterboost 3 years ago
Yikes! So you got much worse fuel efficiency? I've personally given up on owning a car completely and now only own a bicycle (gas is $1.40/litre in Canada right now. I'm sure it's much higher where you're from though).
landongendur 3 years ago
Petrol or gas is £1.18 per litre at the moment in the uk... so almost double...
waterboost 3 years ago
Holy smokes that's insane. How are people affording that?!
landongendur 3 years ago
I dont know how everyone else is coping... I just lean the car off a bit more, everytime the price goes up... I'm gutted I didnt lean it off sooner... The Hydrogen (waterboost) unit makes a big difference... It certainly stops the engine melting (cos' I'm running it so lean...)
waterboost 3 years ago
it does work u need "pure" acetone and u should put 2 ounces per 10 gal. i do it all the tyme
sagsteriscool 3 years ago
The tin of acetone was completely pure, but you're right, the initial concentration was not 'correct' However, why didn't the fuel economy increase when I filled the tank and diluted the acetone to a more 'normal' mixture? Instead it went down.
landongendur 3 years ago
you put more gas in the car in turn increasing the weight of the car and that will give u slightly worse fuel economy
tofy89 3 years ago
That's actually a good point, even though it's not a big difference it is still feasible. I think I'll keep my tank half-filled from now on unless I have to travel far.
StevenWyman 3 years ago
You might want to try the effects when your tank is empty, and add 2oz/10gal of acetone before you fill the tank allowing the fuel to properly mix in your tank instead of partially mixing in your tank. This could help you, it's what I've been told. Might try that?
phantomfusion 3 years ago
I would but I actually gave up on fuel prices altogether in March (gas is currently getting close to $6/gallon in Canada), and now I only own a bicycle.
landongendur 3 years ago
ok i tested this my self in the nissan testing center and it does work but in the long run it fries your engine and causes fuel injector problems.
sagsteriscool 3 years ago
You had your engine fry on you? How much in repair bills may I ask?
landongendur 3 years ago
i dont know i just tested a engine i had in the car i never used which was a '98 honda accord
sagsteriscool 3 years ago
And how did it test out?
landongendur 3 years ago
The extra weight from filling up with gas probably caused the drop in economy. idk.
ldsmadmax 3 years ago
Possibly. Then again, ~7 gallons doesn't weigh all that much. Once a car is up to speed on the highway, aerodynamics play a massive role.
landongendur 3 years ago
wow . . . now i guess a little turpentine will make the news huh ? ? ? what happened to moth balls LOL
zstangkrewson 3 years ago
Moth balls? I haven't heard of that one.
landongendur 3 years ago
Adding too much acetone (more than 3oz/10gal) will reduce your gas mileage by changing the octane. In this test approx. 2.5oz of acetone was added to 3.9gal of gas; a rate of 6.4oz/10gal. I'd suggest Recalibrating your equipment and trying the test at the optimum acetone/gas ratio; 3oz/10gal.
ogbk2003 3 years ago
So why din't the fuel economy go higher after I filled the tank (and thus diluting the acetone to a more 'proper' mixture)?
landongendur 3 years ago
So... u save a mile per gallon... on average thats about 15 to 16 miles per tank.. which is a little more than 1/4 of a gallon... which at 5.00 a gallon ur saving 1.25 on a tank... how much does acetone cost and what are the longer term affects on your engine from acetone? acetone is used to prepare metal for paintings, suggests it might be a big corrosive... fuel injection cost more than a couple dollars u might save
Adeptmind 3 years ago
I totally agree, the $1.25 per tankful doesn't outpace the cost of the acetone itself. Thus acetone isn't effective enough to really 'save the world' of its energy crisis.
landongendur 3 years ago
Hey dude, let me tell you something: when you filled up, the acetone got diluted by the gasoline you put in the tank.. it is not that acetone has a soul or anything like that haha. But I think your video is kind of interesting though. 3 stars.
sparklysparks77 3 years ago
But shouldn't have the acetone diluted to the 'proper' mixture and thus increasing MPG again?
landongendur 3 years ago
I didn't read all the comments but here's some input. I have a 94 geo metro, 3 cyl, and I add 3 oz to the 8 gal tank. I get 59 mpg using 91 octane. When I use 2 oz, I get minimal improvement, about 56 up from 55 mpg. I haven't tried 4 oz yet so we'll see.
hhopower 3 years ago
and one thing more. using acetone might destroy your car in a collision!(and it even ran/drove the driver to the nearest hospital after that!) Happy safe driving!
5GOLDENM 3 years ago
thats a tough car you have my friend! But still i admit thats no good to my car. Better you use acetone to remove nail polish. i can still use acetone if ever someone put some water on my gas tank. it helps somehow
5GOLDENM 3 years ago
What was your gas tank filled to when you started this test? Before acetone ,If you had afull tank it would be a lot heavier which wastes gas more. What would your milage be verses a full tank with acetone?
aric1915 3 years ago
The gas tank only had 3.9 gallons in it when I added the acetone (see 2:32). When I filled the tank, I added 25.56 litres later (see 4:56) which is about 6.73 gallons. Really not much weight added at all.
landongendur 3 years ago
i already tried that! mixing acetone in fuel? Nice it really works! But unfortunately after a month or so. my engine gasket have been damaged. and some of rubber gasket ring inside the distributor have been damaged too. Better NOT to try that experiment.
5GOLDENM 3 years ago
Odd... I never had any engine problems when I used acetone. There were 283,000 kilometres on my car before it was destroyed in a collision (and it even ran/drove after that!).
landongendur 3 years ago
must have just been a coincidence that your seals went, the only seals that the fuel or fuel vapors come into contact with would be the fuel injector seals.
JeepXJforever 3 years ago
The gas cap too.
Himom2032 3 years ago
You get less mpg when you fill your tank vs. when you only leave 10 gallons in b/c of the weight of the fuel. Weight robs mpg.
Prototypexl 3 years ago
That is true. However, that means more gas station stops that consume more of a person's time.
landongendur 3 years ago
I replied to the wrong one, but you get my drift. Time is not being measured, though. The MPG are, so it is a toss-up between what you want, more MPG or more convenience. I see exactly what you are saying though.
Prototypexl 3 years ago
What I am suggesting is that you got a better fuel mileage rating b/c you did the test at only 5 gallons left in the tank. That in turn affected the end results by making the MPG better than they actually were (compared to a full tank b/c of weight)
Prototypexl 3 years ago
No the amount of fuel in the tank will not "measurably" affect the results of this test. but its also a false test since it takes "time" for the vehicle to use up the fuel thats already in the fuel lines injectors etc.. Does anyone know how much ful is IN the fuel system but not in the fuel tank?
nerys71 3 years ago
I see. But time is still not being measured here is what I am suggesting. Of course it takes time to use fuel, but that is not what is reducing the amount of fuel used. Overall resistance and mechanical efficiency are what determine the amount of fuel used. "how much ful is IN the fuel system but not in the fuel tank".....i hadn't even thought of that bit..
Prototypexl 3 years ago
Typically every 100 pounds of weight reduced will increase mpg by .1 mpg. even if his car had a 20gallon tank that would only increase his mass on the second test by 90 pounds. He probably has a 10gal tank so mass change would only be around 45 pounds. No method we currently use to measure mpg can detect this change outside of normal statiscal variations and environmental variables.
nerys71 3 years ago
2 things. A) Don't use acetone in hybrids.
B)You just fucked up your car. You're only suppose to put half of what you put into a full gas tank. Don't be surprised if you car starts smoking a month from now.
I suggest that every one should read up on acetone before ever handling with it. It CAN do good if you use it the right way.
Maverick1225 3 years ago
I didn't screw up my car at all. I put on 283K on it before it was totaled in a collision. And even then it still drove! check out my video where I show the Geo's Demise after the collision.
landongendur 3 years ago
acetone just kicked in yo
jayguy173 3 years ago
Here in Arizona be advised that using Acetone in the fuel is concidered "tampering with the emmissions of a vehicle" according to ADOT. The fine is too much for me,
chipflinger 3 years ago
Yeah, I head emissions laws in California is quite strict. Then again, how would they know? :P
landongendur 3 years ago
reason why you didnt get more better fuel economy is because you used to much acetone.
JUKIO01 3 years ago
Yeah, it's been mentioned several times. I want to redo the test with my dad's Intrepid (I no longer own a car), however I lost my MPG-meter last summer and it makes no sense to buy another one for $170 just for the one more video experiment.
landongendur 3 years ago
Temperature and air density could have more than 1 mpg effect over the course of that test than fuel additives, making the test invalid.
RE: Ethanol and Methanol. Both have Oxygen in saturation, Gasoline does not. Your car's computer needs to adjust the fuel:air mix ratio to compensate. Many modern cars can do this on-the-fly, others are crap at it. Some get better results because of this. Carb engines need re-jetting.
Simply pumping your tires up to 45psi would achieve better results.
ClownFight 3 years ago
Exactly. I agree that acetone has no financial advantage when added to fuel in my car.
landongendur 3 years ago
Regina sucks ;) Did you do any tests with Methanol? Im going to giver a shot with adding to gas as well as electrolysis. I figure methanol is a better bet with CH3OH vs acetones CH3COCH3. Dont know its just a hunch. I know they inject this into dragsters but my car would die with direct injection. Im looking for pollution and mileage. any thoughts?
YiuTeub 3 years ago
That sounds interesting. Where would you get methanol from?
And yes, I dislike living in Regina these days because it's no longer a cheap place to live. My parent's house went from $109K to $410K in just 10 years. How can a person afford a house like that? I'm moving to cheap Windsor Ontario once I save a couple grand working here. Lots of nice homes in Windsor for $100K.
landongendur 3 years ago
Ya prices are nuts. We bought our 810 sqft house 2 years ago for 148K and now theres some in the neighborhood going for 260K same size and no garage. Im in Saskatoon btw. I guess the west is where its at. Oil boom and all. Tonnes of jobs though. As for methanol it goes by other names such as methyl hydrate
wood alcohol and carbinol. These should be available at autoshops that are aftermarket shops. Same places youd find NOS.
YiuTeub 3 years ago
Has anybody tried this with diesel?
srdavis37 3 years ago
Hmm... that would be interesting.
landongendur 3 years ago
You also have to remember your car weighs more with a full tank of gas. test it, messure 2 runs with topped off tanks, then 2 runs at 1/4 tank. You will see a big difference in gas milage.
vrobaby 3 years ago
Interesting hypothesis.
landongendur 3 years ago
actually this should NOT be a significant factor. Typically you lose .1mpg per 100 pounds. 13 gallons of fuel only masses out at around 80 pounds. IE the different from full to empty would be less than .1mpg so you can safely ignore this value. Even the 35 gallon tank in my Clubwagon would only mass out at 220 pounds or so full.
nerys71 3 years ago
I disagree. I do not have numbers to back this up as you do, but I have seen a differnce. Whether it be 5 or 15 more miles per tank of gas.
Prototypexl 3 years ago
I am no longer as certain. I am trying to gather empirical data on this and Stopped using acetone. My mileage immediately when from 24-25mpg to 19.5mpg but 2 tanks later is went back to 24mpg 21mpg 22mpg which implies the acetone is NOT the cause.
I am working on a way to get more accurate figures for this. A way to test it further. Acetone is so cheap its worth investigating if it really helps or not.
nerys71 3 years ago
Personally I really do not like the idea of using any liquid additives in any forms of petrol. I believe the fuel mileage increases with 1.)less weight, 2.) better aerodynamics, 3.)driving style, 4.)correct tyre pressure. these are my fundamentals when trying to get the most out of my tank of gas. I am still experimenting with the "tornado" and different ways to mechanically increase the efficiency of a combustion engine.
Prototypexl 3 years ago
does adding acetone to your engine cause any damage to your engine at all???
ihatenignigs24u 3 years ago
I do not know. So far everyone says no but not on in authority AND unbiased (IE not working for oil) has come forward for or against. I can not fathom how 3 ounces of acetone in my tank can do any harm. I KNOW water can hurt my engine and I do not thing 3 oz of water would do any harm so how can acetone? (35 gallon tank)
nerys71 3 years ago
It never seemed to have any negative affects to my car. The engine ran perfect, even after suffering from a major collision at 283K. It was written off in March, 2008.
landongendur 3 years ago
none whatsoever, only improves the mpg by improving the efficiency of gasoline combustion process. However acetone costs money and that is why its not added to the gasoline at the pump
drugaria 3 years ago
what happened to the metro anyways? BTW you are supposed to use 100% acetone only not the crap from HD which is not 100%, and only need an ounce per 10 gal which is enough and sure makes a difference especially in vehicles with bigger engines.
drugaria 3 years ago
The car was involved in a major collision. You can see the damage in my "Living Without a Car (part 3)". It was written off and I got $990 from my insurance company for it.
landongendur 3 years ago
too many engine reliability problems, when I said they sucked that is what I meant, nothing against little cars. The new smart car is a excellent design .
drugaria 3 years ago
Also WOW $12. I got a half gallon can of ethanol and I think I paid $4 for it.
nerys71 3 years ago
Yeah talk about expensive. The acetone used in the experiment was purchased at Home Depot.
landongendur 3 years ago
Well I live by acetone. I have no idea if it IMPROVES mpg over gasoline alone but it DEFINITELY improves mpg over gasoline with ETHANOL. Grr I lost 14.5% of my fuel economy in my clubwagon to that damned ethanol (YES I extensively tested this and confirmed IT IS the ethanol) I even took 15 gallons of gas out of my jeep (pre ethanol gas) and my economy IMMEDIATELY went back to where it was pre ethanol!. The Acetone (1oz per 10 gal!) seemed to "offset" the lose from the ethanol almost 100%
nerys71 3 years ago
That sounds interesting. I also share your dislike for ethanol-enhanced fuels. It drives up the price of food and there's no way (even if the entire nation was corn crops) that ethanol would sufficiently replace oil completely.
landongendur 3 years ago
well what drove me nuts is I did the math. 14.5% loss in economy by replacing 10% of our gas with ethanol means I am now buying 4.5% MORE foreign oil than without ethanol. GENIUS !! :-)
nerys71 3 years ago
Oh my! You're completely correct! I've never thought of it that way.
landongendur 3 years ago
I believe your numbers are quite correct indeed. For decades environmentalists complained about the MTBE in gasoline and were completely ignored by the oil companies until they realised the potentioal extra proffits they could make by switching to the low cost less efficient octane booster "Ethanol" So we are not only buying lower quality gas at a higher prices, but we are getting less miles per gallon as well.
drugaria 3 years ago
Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me :(
landongendur 3 years ago
I too have tested the loss of efficiency with ethanol. My loss was 25MPG w/ non-eth. down to 21MPG w/ eth. A decrease of 12%
So now I get 40 less miles per tank which means I have to buy 2 more gallons of fuel to make up the difference. If Ethanol is 10% of my fuel, NERYS71 is absolutely correct . . . I'm buying nearly 100 gallons more of straight gasoline per year than before Ethanol was cramped down our throats by our pal GWB and our inept Congress.
TwoTallGuys 3 years ago
Wait...doesnt the car get heavier with a full tank? Thought I might point that out.
LimitPushing 3 years ago
Good point.
landongendur 3 years ago
I like your humble conclusion.
tgamirov 3 years ago
Yeah, definitely not worth the extra cost of the acetone itself.
landongendur 3 years ago
GOd how did you get 57MPG in the first place?!?! iv never driven a car that got more than 28MPG!
zmass 3 years ago
All you need to do is drive a 3 cylinder Geo Metro 50-mph ;)
landongendur 3 years ago
Iv never heard of a 3 cylinder either.
zmass 3 years ago
Oh, they're out there. Most Geo Metros were 3 cylinder models.
landongendur 3 years ago
We dont have metros either.
Well maybe if you were to put it into my car which gets a whole 18MPG and i got 21 out of it. it would be worth the cost with gas now being $3.65 a gallon
zmass 3 years ago
I guess I didn't realize Geos got such great mileage. I thought 30mpg was good, but 57, 58? That's pretty dern good with or without acetone if you ask me.
planetdarwin 3 years ago
That's only because I was doing 50-mph. If I do 70-mph I only get in the mid 30mpg range. But if I hold a steady throttle at 35-mph in 5th gear, I get 80mpg! :)
Wind resistance is a huge factor in fuel economy. Sort of like it's a lot harder to pedal a bike at 30-mph than 15-mph.
landongendur 3 years ago
jesus... is that when you're rolling down a mountain? I need a smaller car.
planetdarwin 3 years ago
Nope, the 80-mpg at 35 mph is on flat ground. The car only uses about 0.4 gallons per hour at that speed (35-mph divided by 0.4 = 87.5mpg) because the engine is only doing 1500 rpm.
I'd give you my Geo, but it was in a collision 2 months ago. Gas prices are supposed to exceed $5 a gallon here in Canada this summer, so I haven't bought a new car. I'm riding my bike now :)
landongendur 3 years ago
you are killing that little engine on 5 gear at 35 mph. You should know u're supposed to downshift, as little torque as that engine has
drugaria 3 years ago
But if I downshift, it only gets about 60-mpg. The engine was fine moving the light car in 5th gear at 1500-rpm at 35-mph. Nice and quiet too.
landongendur 3 years ago
I do 40 mpg in my focus 2.0 with manual transmission (5th gear ) @ 80mph with acetone
How is that compared to the metro @ 80 mph LOL
drugaria 3 years ago
40 mpg isn't bad for a car with a larger engine, heavier weight, and not-so-hot aerodynamics.
landongendur 3 years ago
The reality is the car weighed less when you only had five gallons in it and even less by the time you ran the acetone, then with a full tank you got like 1 mile or so per gallon worse and that is due to the extra weight of the fuel in the gas tank. Acetone is hard on every moving part because it strips the lubricants and creates heat.
Nightshots 3 years ago
The added weight does make sense. Also keep in mind that I adjusted the ScanGauge slightly after the fill-up at the gas station which could have also affected the 5th recording.
I have an urge to redo the experiment again with another car, but my ScanGauge is lost :(
landongendur 3 years ago
Agreed Acetone can help fuel efficiency..but Acetone was known to cause damage to O-rings, Gaskets, or any materials made of rubber in the Engine. Nice idea though.
aville888 3 years ago
I personally didn't have any engine trouble with my Geo (it even still ran and drove after a major collision at 283K). However I only used acetone for a few tankfuls because even with a 2.45% fuel economy increase, it didn't make economical sense to spend money on the acetone.
landongendur 3 years ago
HAha, Nice
pyroboy4206 3 years ago
Driving techniques are most important. The best way to save fuel is to drive gently, anticipating changes in terrain, making sure your tires are not low, the car is tuned up, etc. Today's gasoline engines are almost 100% efficient and adding various fuel additives that promise high mpg returns is just a great way of taking money from silly people. If you have a Ford F350 and you're getting 10 highway and you think dumping a bottle of something is gonna get you to 20 highway, then...
markotraco 3 years ago