Battle of El Alamein Documentry

[rezlerken3]

If this history ie Fact its a laugh

[URO006]

Before Alamein we never had a victory. After Alamein we never had a defeat-

Winston Churchill

[OzisGodscountry]

@URO006 Churchill seems to have had a short memory if he thinks El Al was our first victory.....Tobruk anyone?

[URO006]

@OzisGodscountry yes Tobruk was a victory but not as known as El Alamein,at Tobruk there were 12.000 dead or wounded,in Alamein there were oround 35.000 dead or wounded.

[OzisGodscountry]

@URO006 Tobruk was the genuine turning point of the war with the most important factor being the stalling of Rommels march across Europe and into Africa.El Alamein was the final decimation of Rommels troops.Both amazing victories at a desperate time of the war.

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

then

If you're really a great brain why didn.tu think about this until now i may be under 19 but i am a surfer I have more than 20 book about politics, capitalism communism and the Cold War World War 1 and 2 the Vietnam War the October war, war Attrition the 1967 war the war of 1956 the 1948 war, so do not test my knowledge in wars hot one and cold one

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

after that

u say I do not express correctly whether I or you can not understand difficult words I say they are correct I can see you either can not understand what I say to u becuse youer weaknesses in the English Language

Or you do not want to be my understanding of the stubborn resistance to change does not change your mind no matter what happens

[hazboy911]

the power was for the gery 1000 tank 150000 men 600 plaen

tomes were 500 tank 700 plaen 130000 and 50000 egy men

put the sea thre map of that plase is hard to come from liby and good to def from side of egy

[Gheorgyi]

@hazboy911 I - It is to be wondered what top-hat you got those figures out of. It is common and established knowledge that Italians & Germans were outnumbered 1:5 as to men, 1:10 as to tanks, artillery and heavy weaponry, not counting air superiority, clearly on the British side thanks to supplies from the USA. It is to be wondered, also, how you can expect anybody to understand the way you write. I see (your YT profile) you are in Kuwait: maybe the arabs have lost the capacity to write??!!!

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi First of all I can type I and type, and if you do not get bored if you are difficult im more than that Anyway Where did the supplies had come from؟ dont tell me Sina!! i t came from the Mediterranean Sea didn,t it so If the map has changed the gery would won and Take the hole Middle East and have been reached for the Caucasus And aircraft were falling like flies because the safety invented the weapon similar to ZSU BUT IT was without radar The planes were very slow BACK THEN

[Gheorgyi]

@hazboy911 I Obviously you type, better: your fingers can hit the keys on a keyboard - but still you make no sense. Supplies to that frontline could only arrive from: 1. USA > Atlantic >Gibraltar>Alewxandria and ports east; 2. East Africa>Suez Canal (always steadily in British hands). It's evident the Brits had more and better supplies. The planes then may have been slow in comparison withj present-day jets, but were still the fastest way for transportation, what the heck are you talking about?

[hazboy911]

first of You seem to hate a person serious debate

after that You seem to be that you are one of the people who like to insult people more than talking seriously

then Weapons, which I am talking about is Flakpanzer It's like the {ZSU} but without radar

I ONLYYY SAYED THAT

after that

It looks like you can not read maps

And I am young and you seem to be bigger than me

but Such stubborn

more than a Indian

[Gheorgyi]

@hazboy911 No, I don't "hate" anybody. I just don't like to waste my time on nincompoops, especially those who evidently can't make up their mind about what they're babbling about.

And you don't have the faintest idea about how to express yourself properly.

So, now, stop your nonsense and go after Mubarak. HE is the one who ought to concern you, not something that happened 60* years about, long before you came into exiustence and to pester this planet.

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

Mubarak's better than Bush and Kennedy because they are the ones who destroyed your soldiers in Iraq and Vietnam

But Mubarak destroyed country the greatest country I'll admit that, and but still he is better than the man that threw tons of bombs were thrown in World War 2 and killed nearly 3 million people, why Why did not u asked yourself

To occupy the arms factories of old limbs which has been neglected and the same reason wars in Iraq and with the motive of oil

[Gheorgyi]

@hazboy911 Hold it a minute: Kennedy destroyed "our" soldiers in Vietnam??!!! WHEN were there Italian troops over there??!!! "The greatest country", Aegypt??!!! Maybe a "great country" 4ooo-5000 yrs ago, but in modern times, a collection of ragtag bums. "3 MLN dead" in WW-2? Kidd-o, your estimate is several millions below reality. Young pipsqueak, the first thing you've got to learn is how to express yourself, you are unintelligible.

[Gheorgyi]

(continued) I was around at that time, though very young, you bozo, and I could read a map: if you are now in your 30's, where were you then??!!! Not even yet at the spermatozoon stage, you test-tube reject Egyptian rag-head. C'mon, stop bothering me, go get some training in English and in typing. What's all that nonsense about "safety-ZSU-radar"??!!!

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

{Not even yet at the spermatozoon stage, you test-tube reject Egyptian rag-head. C'mon, stop bothering me, go get some training }

u are in IRAQ not us u are in Afghanistan not us and u are in Libya not us so who is spermatozoon stage, you test-tube reject rag-head.C'mon,

if u are not like that u would be out of there by Tomorrow but u are the most Stupid people in the world you think you are free while you are prisoners of the head financial

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

but us free free from Mubarak

but u are stell prisoners of the mind of Gates , Aubma and the head financial

so dont talkk about egy ok head financial prisoners

[Gheorgyi]

@hazboy911II - Even the american writer, Hemingway, called his favourite type of Martini cocktail (at famous Harry's Bar in Venice) "a Montgomery", (5 parts of gin, one of vermouth) referring to the superiority in men and armaments made available to Monty at El Alamein. I see you are in Kuwait, maybe Arabs have lost the capacity to write and make calculations.

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

first i am from egy not q8

and thean u rely should not talk about wining and losing and my blace is near el Alamein very near

any why

if we were the most loser contry as arab then u loke what did the gery did to u and them and them

they kiled more than 40 ,million men wmon kids

and what is rong whtih

of Martini cocktail at famous Harry's Bar in Venice a Montgomery (5 parts of gin, one of vermouth referring to the superiority in men and armaments made available

[hazboy911]

@Gheorgyi

{ Monty at El Alamein}

then if it made for al alamein and the map was not easy for the tommes and theyn atk from the the n the far north thy would won very esy becuse it would be a Flat land and the tomes wont be help from the sea would they

and then thy well not have Supply would they would

that mean no long stand no havy firing no suprising fire no nothing until Supply Come by a Miracle one no linking to any thing becuse suze cnal and no Railway to and from no sea

[tommasop]

HONOR TO THE ITALIAN HEROES!!!

[Gheorgyi]

@tommasop Certo, Signor Tommaso, da ogni punto di vista. Ma adesso basta con la retorica (ne ho già ascoltata tanta durante il regime e la guerra, non so se lei a quel tempo ci fosse, ma io sì) e con i maldipanza.E' difficile sopportare quello che gli spocchiosi britannici, americani e francesi (i FRANCESI!!!) dicono e scrivono, ma non agitiamoci troppo: gli si aumenta il piacere. Io sono contento e fiero d'essere Italiano, la civiltà Romana ed il Rinascimento l'abbiamo dati NOI. Calma, amico.

[jasincl]

Am Half German and Half British and both sides I Have Relatives who were in ww2 XD funny i dont like using underpants (Scottish joke) and am sorta an Aryan 0-0 i have blue eyes Blond hair... am a christian D:

[guasc0]

One thing is wrong, my dear:

Sir Claude John Eyre Auchinleck fu soltanto sfortunato non incapace.

Egli non aveva i mezzi ed i rifornimenti che ricevette Montgomery e, sopratutto,

non aveva a sua disposizione la conoscenza di "Enigma" circa tutti i movimenti

del nemico. Cosa che invece Montgomery ebbe.

Infatti Montgomery non modificò i piani operativi di Sir Auchinleck e li applicò

cosi come erano.

Sir Auchinleck fu sostituito da W. Churchil solo per motivi di opportunità politica.

[GrandeurFrancaise]

at El Alamein, between 25 October and 4 November, the 6000 lions of Folgore Division were under attack from 50 000 men three British divisions 44th (Home Counties) Infantry Division, 50th (Northumbrian) Infantry Division, 7th Armoured Division Desert Rats with 350 tanks, 250 armore, 1st and 2nd Free French and the Royal Hellenic Brigades, supported by RAF and 400 cannons of UK Artillery. After 11 days of battle British have failed to break through in the Italian sector. 200 men survived.

[ddm3542]

BRYMAN 92 FROM 0.24 TO 0.30 THE ARTILLERY IS ITALIAN NOT GERMAN YOU CAN TELL BY THEIR CAPS AND SUN HELMETS THEY ARE ITALIAN...

[bluebloodification]

No doubt that German and Japanese troops fought bravely, anyone who disagree is a complete fool or blind. My grandfather fought in British Indian Army as a sergeant. He used to tell me how brave Japanese and Germans were. Its their crappy leaders who were responsible for the defeat and of course, the war atrocities.

[ItsAMetal]

im trying to wright my own war movie can someone tell me a intense british battle in ww2

and also facts about it

[jasincl]

@ItsAMetal "the Battle of Britain" August-september 1940 British Casuties 500+ german casuties 1000+ british Planes:Sptfire,Hurricane German planes:Me.109,He.111,bf-109 hope that helps :)

[Gheorgyi]

@jasincl I - What has the "Battle of Britain", involving Luftwaffe and RAF and fought in the skies in Summer 1940) got to do with the Battle of El ALAMEIN (late 1942)??!!! Brazil, the only south-american nation to enter WW-2, joined in September '44, when it was already obvious what turn the war had taken .. They wanted to sit on the right side of the table at the peace talks, the opportunistic buffoon jackals. The "FEB" (27K troops) arrived in Italy in September '44 ( Italy already out).

[Gheorgyi]

@jasincl I - WHAT has the "Battle of Britain" (1940, Luftwaffe vs RAF) got to do with that at El Alamein??!!!" Brazil took the momentous decision of joining the Allies only when it was clear what turn the war had taken, the opportunistic jackals. All they wanted was to sit on the right side of the table The "Força Expeditionaria Brasileira" (27,500 troops) arrived to the war theatre only in Sep '44, with Italy already out of the game (follows at II).

[giusdange]

però nel settore sud, quello della Folgore e della Pavia, fu vita amara per gli amici inglesi!!

[suripleassasin1990]

i read a book it was a boy on the front line it was so intresting and so is the war i love it and would have loved to have faught 4 my country.

peace form scotland.

[dardoxp]

hai perfettamente ragione stragate ci vogliono togliere pure una cosa che ci funzionava bene  la nostra grande artiglieria

[stargate1085]

Le prime immagini sono dell'artiglieria Italiana, non tedesca....

[ycram82]

ciao. puoi dirmi da dove l'hai notato? sono ignorante in materia. grazie.

[lassasanzenu2007]

British General Hughes of the 44th Infantry Division quoted with "I wish to say that in all my life I have never encountered soldiers like those of the Folgore."

[MsSloppyseconds]

@lassasanzenu2007 Italians surrendered every time they had to pick up a weapon, they are a joke.

[Caleidus]

@MsSloppyseconds between 25 October and 4 November, the 50th, 7th, 44th divisions, 1st and 2nd Free French and the Royal Hellenic Brigades, supported by artillery and armour, had failed to break through in the southern sector. In the initial British assault alone the Folgore had destroyed over 120 armoured vehicles, and inflicted over 600 casualties. The remnants of the Folgore were withdrawn from El Alamein without being defeated. Italian para used molotov as weapons to destroy tanks eh eh

[Caleidus]

On 11 November 1942, the battle by now concluded, London Radio transmitted the famous official announcement: ".. The remnants of the Folgore division put up a resistance beyond every limit of human possibility..."

[Caleidus]

@MsSloppyseconds This another example how italians surrendered:  During the Second Battle of El Alamein on 4 November at about 15:30, Ariete armoured division with the few surviving obsolete tanks, surrounded by an overwhelmingly superior enemy, broadcast their last message:

"... Enemy tanks broke through South of Ariete Division. Ariete thus surrounded, located 5 kilometers north east of Bir-el-Abd. Ariete tanks keep on fighting!..."

Then they were destroyed to the last tank.

[Caleidus]

@MsSloppyseconds You could remember the" heroic" behavior of brit and aussie in Singapore during WWII. In that occasion you surrendered even without picking up a weapon despite you outnumbered jap 3:1. What a shame brit and aussie never remember the most shameful surrender in the history of war: Maybe british propaganda?

[MsSloppyseconds]

@Caleidus Ever heard of bardia or kokoda? If we we're in command we would of been able to stop the japs with 100 men. At kokoda we held off 10,000 highly trained marines with 800 truck drivers, sailers and road builders with little to no food ammo or weapons. Read before talking shit.

[Caleidus]

@MsSloppyseconds Winston Churchill called the ignominious fall of Singapore to the Japanese the "worst disaster" and "largest capitulation" in British history.... or in the world history I'd add. Also Churchill was talking shit ??? History is written by the winner, I'm not scandalized by that. The only thing is that is not difficult being a winner when you have allies 4/5 of the planet. Things are different from what u learned on your textbooks

[MsSloppyseconds]

@Caleidus The roman empire was the worst disaster in history. I didnt say he talks shit althought I would like to shit in his mouth.

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus You really should research a little better before opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself. In regards to troop numbers we had a distinct advantage yes but we had no air support and artillery was definately in their favour.They just bombed the place apart killing thousands of civilians.That was the deciding factor in Singapore the lack of air support and the loss of civilians.Now lets talk about Tobruk where the Italians would actually drop their weapons and run to the Aussies

[Caleidus]

@OzisGodscountry Tobruk? "At 5:00 P.M. on June 28, the 90th Light Division and elements of the X and XXI Italian Infantry Corps stormed the fortress of Mersa Matruh. The fighting lasted all night. In the darkness another confused breakout occurred. Approximately 60 percent of the British X Corps escaped. The Axis simply did not have enough manpower to stop them all. The next morning resistance in the town collapsed. A rearguard of 6,000 men was captured and forty Allied tanks destroyed."

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus You are talking about a battle that didnt involve Australians.What happened when the Australians attacked the Italians to take Tobruk initially?It was taken in two days capturing 27000 Italians,208 guns and 23 tanks and only lost 49 killed and 306 wounded.Or Bardia ,when the weight of surrendering had been so great that at one point he told a mass of them "Go away We havent got time for you,come back in the morning" And they did!!!! lol

[Caleidus]

@OzisGodscountry So, let me understand. If Australians and brit surrender despite outnumbering their enemies they are heroes while if it happens to italian they are cowards? Don't be offensive to italian soldiers and realize in what conditions they were. I went in the desert and if you have to run or walk without water you are dead in 1 hour. What do u think the staunch australians would have done? Your surrender in Singapore was far more shameful, but none remember it !!!

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus Conditions they were in? The Italians lost Tobruk in two days getting 27,000 Italian soldiers captured.Australians held the same place with the same defences and in the same heat with hardly any water for 7 months then handed control over to the british.So dont give me that excuse. What would the Autralians done? The same thing they did for 7 months,tough it out. With Singapore the situation was entirely different.Innocent civilians were being killed even massacred in cold blood.

[Caleidus]

@OzisGodscountry During "Compass", the Italian army was not mechanized and it was equipped with only few bad tankettes against the British Matilda and Cruiser Mk III: so, the Italian 10th Army was easily routed. U had Matilda and cruiser italians the M11/39 which was not a tank, it was nothing, brit had jeeps with heavy guns on it, italians just legs. Brit had battleship firing with 381 30 miles away. Italians had only obsolete aircrafts. Not difficult to win

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus The Allies had hardly any tanks during Compass.And the same troops who were outnumbered when they took Tobruk then defended with the help of minimal reinforcements to hold Tobruk for 7 months against the might of Rommels might.As far as aircraft you guys had more than twice the number of planes and 4 times as many troops vastly superior artillery.Remember the problems you guys had with tanks the allies had to deal with against the Panzers.Which we did

[Caleidus]

@OzisGodscountry at El Alamein, the 6000 lions of Folgore Division were under attack from 50 000 supported by RAF and 400 cannons of UK Artillery. After 11 days of battle British have failed to break through in the Italian sector. Only 200 italians survived. I could remember u countless episodes like this one about italians bravery, yet is never enough. A people can be defeated in war but not humiliated through an infamous cultural operation as brit and allies intentionally did against us.

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus I have never mentioned Italy's resolve at El Al. I was refering to their meek surrender at Tobruk with their easy surrender being a bit of a joke amongst Australian troops. One popular joke was this-

A captured Italian parachutist is conversing with Australian troops

A- You just came from that big plane that flew over?

I-Yes, big new plane that carries 50 troops but only one parachutist

A-Only One? What are the other 49 people for?

I-To push the parachutist out

[Caleidus]

@OzisGodscountry Eheh, if u want I can also tell you the joke about the gears in the italian tanks. Unfortunately for u italian para and italian armoured forces were among the bravest soldiers seen in all WWII, prefering the total annihilation rather than surrendering.I told that yours is just a coward denigratory campaign based on groundless facts."All I want to know is if the british army wants to surrender:YES or NOT? The answer was YES. This is was (not) a joke from General Yamashita, eheh

[OzisGodscountry]

@Caleidus What does the gears of italian tanks have to do with the actions of the Italian troops?

"prefering the total annihilation rather than surrendering" hey?So what were the 27,000 Italian troops doing at Tobruk? Thats right, surrendering to the Australians and not just surrendering but actually running towards the Aussies to surrender. And on what basis do you base your comment "denigratory campaign based on groundless facts" on? Show an example.

[Caleidus]

In north Africa most of the defeat suffered by british were caused by italians yet in all the american and brit movies about north Africa's italians simply don't exist! The british (especially australasian) war books about the WWII were offensively denigratory about italians.Australian military historian Mark Johnston states there was an "unwillingness to acknowledge reverses against Italians" in Australian official accounts.Start reading serious documents and not false Brit propaganda books

[PickBit]

"German and italian arsenal included 96000 troops 585 tanks" impressive force, indeed.

I wonder though why it is not mentioned that the axis forces were outnumbered more than 2 to 1 as the british had nearly 200000 men and over 1000 tanks...

Well propaganda i guess...

[BryMan92]

@PickBit you are right, I should have included that info. I was trying to fit as much info as I could, but I only had 10 mins.

[dardoxp]

@BryMan92 boy is italian artillery no germany change name plese

[k1k1k1zero]

@PickBit

We should have go beyong newcastle 2000 years ago, so there would be non English Language today.

[PickBit]

@ddm3542 ???? Where did I say that artillery is German? I strongly advise you to re-read my post, your reply to my comment is a bit off topic, I'm afraid. Maybe you addressed it to the wrong person?

[Paciat]

@PickBit 5:18 "The commonwealth had 1,029 tanks..."

Not thru all african campaign British had the numerical supriority. The stalemate of El Alamain was long becouse Monty gathered resources while Rommel recived too little of the.

You also shouldnt look for propaganda in homemade vidios.

[sharpanator]

true, german forces were always outnumberd and i cant get it why ppl see this as a big deal that allied forces won over germany. Its just normal with so many ressources and men left. Germany would have won any war 1 vs 1 country. But had too many countrys against them, even australia, balkan,canada and some gurks

[attopaca]

FANCULO ALL'INGLESI

[Ramadl59]

Wasn't a fair fight!... pity

:30 is Italian artillery, you can tell by the wheels

Rommel had much more Italians under his command, than Germans.

[Tomba88]

the footage at the :30 is Italian Artillery not german . Panzerarme afrika was 9/10 italian.

[prix86]

folgore!!!!!!mancarono le armi ma non l'onore!!!

[sannade90]

I think you should study the battle of el alamein a bit better than what you did ( credo dovresti studiare la battaglia di el alamein un po' meglio di quanto hai fatto)

[BryMan92]

This was done 2 years ago, but next time. :P

[sannade90]

credo dovresti studiare la battaglia di el alamein un po' meglio! ( I think you should study the battle of el alamein a bit better than what you did)

[armenius25]

German Mines were extremly more efficiant...Teller mines as well as that

Minje that Jumps in the Air and kills the

Infantry(specialy designd for that)

Or eavn first Radio controled/guided Mines for Tank destruction...As well as Radio/Camera guided Missiles...

[ferdovit]

It`s little known fact that Józef Kosacki invented in 1941 Polish mine detector who gave British army for free. Allies used his invention on El Alamaine first time where they doubled the speed of the British 8th Army. This Mine detector was used by the British Army until 1995

[QuadraroImp]

FOLGORE!!!

[seutizio]

at 0:26 is the italian heavy artillery, not geraman. I remember you that with the ENIGMA machine, anyone is able to win a war.

[blostier]

Confermo.

[normannodelsud]

Verità

[VillaMan08]

This was way before we captured the Ingma machine...besides we still had to capture it...AND crack it...

[caristoy]

At 9:00 A.M. on June 29 1942, Colonel Ugo Scirocco and elements of his 7th and 9th Bersaglieri Regiments stormed the fortress of Mersa Matruh. According to David T. Zabecki's encyclopaedia WORLD WAR II IN EUROPE: "At 0930 hours, the Italian 7th Bersaglieri Regiment entered the conquered stronghold, taking 6,000 Allied prisoners."

[Zeustubeone]

at the end churcill told Radio Cairo: we inchinarci the remains of the Folgore brigade, fought over every inhuman possibilities: survived 384 soldiers and 5200 Allies gave the honour of arms (they did surrender without raising their hands up and without disarmarli) for the courage demonstrated.

[Zeustubeone]

excuse, but the anti-fascist propaganda is over, during the war not wanted to remember the regiment thunderbolt to el alamein for fear that ireland risvegliasse patriots, now would be unfair to remember those who died for an ideal, soldiers thunderbolt not arresero ever, the Germans but left 5200 Italian soldiers were fighting other 7 days without water and without food,