The Rendlesham Forest UFO Halt Tape Bentwaters Woodbridge

[ingenear]

PHOTEK - UFO

[MrGyromancy2]

It SHOT down a beam of light at the feet of the four men. A LIGHTHOUSE CANNOT DO THAT people!!

[andypandycool]

Did anyone find out what this really was yet? i dont believe in UFOs but i live near there in Bealings and me and my friend have just witnessed a similar red light going across fields, disappearing and reappearing in different fields and going straight through hedges. I have also seen it once before about 4 months ago and it suddenly went out and then a tree fell down.. Shitting myself!

[AlienGreyAZ]

'Now We Are Observing What Appears To Be A Beam Coming Down To The Ground......This Is Unreal'. You can actually here Col Halt's breath after this comment- he is shiting himself. I didn't know a lighthouse could scare professional military trained personal like that.... FUCK OFF Ian Ridpath- Amateur astronomer getting involved to get your name out there so you can try and flog some of your 'books'. Waste of SPACE.

[JesusSmurf]

Did the UFO's make the nukes inert ?

[realityexplorations]

is there anywhere i can get the tape full cut, please

[TTTJJJ1971]

I have written a new link in the informatiuon box of this video to another site with the full tape and trancript.

[realityexplorations]

@TTTJJJ1971 thanks. you did good, weldone

[realityexplorations]

@TTTJJJ1971 i will be scaning from a book and uploading the text transcript report , the book was out long before we even heard about a public facility like the internet, i expect if your credible enough your have heard of timothy good, its from his ''above top secret '' book

[MrGyromancy2]

@realityexplorations On the side bar, look at the user called EyesintheSkies.

[treasuredroperX]

You gotta love the debunkers... They fail badly.

[realityexplorations]

@treasuredroperX yup its sad, we have those wanting to belive regardless of research,that is illogical and fucked up and we have the debunkers who dont want to belive anything regardless of evidence which is also fucked up, one word ''research'' and critical logical thinking, micheal shermer is one idiot for sure, he would not beilive in the alien side of all this even if a aliens body was slaped on a table infront of him

[smaakjeks]

Brian Dunning of the skeptic podcast "Skeptoid" made an episode (#135) on this incident. I highly recommend it. Any thoughts on his findings?

[breadmaker99]

Interesting, these files are the only ones missing from declassificiation today, I guess the clowns having a baby about it being a hoax are busy wanking over an excuse

[breadmaker99]

The real hilarious aspect of this youtube video? you actually have clowns coming on here, having babies that the incident is not an alien probe. I mean, if you had no other reason but to object for an agenda, why come on here? If you dont believe in this UFO crap, why come on and have a fucking baby? I mean, how stupid do these debunker clowns think we are? why have a baby over something you dont believe in? "please believe me, its not true"

[realityexplorations]

@breadmaker99 haahaha classic, well said

[Razamabaz]

Don't you think trained Soldiers would know the difference between a Light house and a UFO. I mean it's not hard is it? LMAO. It always amazes me when the public report a UFO we get some Astronomer comes on tv and says it was venus ffs. Venus doesn't move that quickly. I'd know the difference between a planet and a UFO. They must think we are all stupid.

[mafiosomofo]

I am good friends with Michael L. He was stationed at woodbridge/bentwaters and he basicly told me the same thing that I have seen in various audio/video media. It happened, thats not the issue here. The cover up is the issue. There is more evidence in this case than any other in the world. I feel for the men that witnessed this and what they have to deal with everyday. Shame.

[Astrodicted]

Much respect TTT.Never stop :)



[debrainwasher]

LOL! Just ufoism reloaded - the same story we can hear for 30 years. Without any new information, of course.

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[TTTJJJ1971]

To clarify things: BOYCOT4YT was spreading lies about the Rendlesham forest case and clearly showed very little knowledge about the events and the witnesses involved. Those lies that he tried to spread are still here on the page so that people can study the ways and lies of debunkers and how it works. There are no debunkers that can debunk this case without telling lies about the people and events involved, that´s why those liars are so desperate about this case.

[TANTAULUS]

@TTTJJJ1971 you seems to be a soar loser if somebody posts facts that demasked your frauduelent story here.did you checked out the channels where the explanation is quoted in the postings of BOYCOT4YT ? your foul play on you tube is a certain way to tell what you really are:a genuine hoax creator.i'll check if i can take legal steps against you for putting false information,on purpose,at internetpages..

[TTTJJJ1971]

@TANTAULUS So you are calling this tape recorded by deb. base commander a hoax. Well, again you debunkers show your real face and come with threats. You don´t scare me chicken shit ,so let´s se if you can meet me man to man without shitting your pants.

[TANTAULUS]

@TTTJJJ1971 i handle this mature and legal and let the judge and bailiff do their work.i have the law at my side,just in case you think that i am joking,you are not anonymous on the internet.your i p adress is logged so no denial possible in court.my lawyer will ask the judge to set the penalty payment at 25.000 EURO for each day your hoaxvideo and lies is on the internet.

[TTTJJJ1971]

@TANTAULUS Ha ha ha, you´re welcome to try! Apparently you do´t know who Col.Halt is.

[analpenetrationjuice]

@TANTAULUS

stop whining.



[ciagrim]

@TANTAULUS that is one emo wall of text

[223DesignGroup]

@TANTAULUS HAHAHAH!!!! Whatcha gonna do? Call the Cyber Police and have them backtrace it? Good luck, you ass hat.

[madmaxxp1]

@223DesignGroup lol

[1generalk]

@TANTAULUS you are a complete moron

[soundman1100]

@TANTAULUS Are you really that stupid. You can only sue if the video or tape is yours you stuipd prick.

[1generalk]

@TANTAULUS you are wrong as this is the truth an still ships appaer thier on and off now . You better get the true facts befor you make yourself look stupid to the world.

[clemstevenson]

@TTTJJJ1971 I was enraged to discover that debunkers had resorted to using gross factual distortion, so I have created a little video clip for You Tube. The clip is entitled: 'Rendlesham Forest UFO incident_Orford lighthouse connection'. Not only was the lighthouse link implausible, but it also demonstrates that the debunkers are willing to go to any lengths to distort information. They cannot prevent these events, so they resort to discrediting the reports.

[realityexplorations]

@clemstevenson inocent debunkers on there own are not the worst enemy rest assurred of that, but i hear ya

[clemstevenson]

@realityexplorations The underlying principle of this debunking tactic is that the public have become the enemy by proxy. The authorities cannot hope control the phenomenon, so they aim to control the public instead. If the definition of 'public' includes military officers, then so be it. Of course, it won't prevent the ETs from going about their business. Curious the way that the Rendlesham documents disappeared from the MOD's files.

[ooo000ooo]

Today was the first time I heard the actual recording.

So let's get this straight... They were in the forest walking towards a 'blinking light', towards the coast just above the horizon. As it happens, there is a lighthouse on the coast which is visible from the forest and is roughly in the direction they were walking.

From the recording, it sounds like they would see this light every five seconds or so. This just happens to be the same rate as the lighthouse.

No as compelling as I thought!

[BOYCOT4YT]

QUOTE: I know from personal experience that at night, in certain weather and cloud conditions, these beams were very pronounced and certainly caused strange visual effects." A scan of the report is available at Suffolk Constabulary's websiteUNQUOTE

[BOYCOT4YT]

QUOTE:A letter in the police file notes that one of the PCs returned to the site in daylight in case he had missed something. "There was nothing to be seen and he remains unconvinced that the occurrence was genuine. The immediate area was swept by powerful light beams from a landing beacon at RAF Bentwaters and the Orfordness lighthouse.UNQUOTE

[BOYCOT4YT]

QUOTE:

However, when the file was released in 2001 it turned out to consist mostly of internal correspondence and responses to inquiries from the public. The lack of any in-depth investigation confirmed that the case was never taken seriously by the MoD

UNQUOTE

[BOYCOT4YT]

QUOTE:there was a substantial MoD file on the subject, which led to claims of a cover-up. Some interpreted this as part of a larger pattern of information suppression concerning the true nature of unidentified flying objects, by both the United States and British governments (see the UFO conspiracy theory).

UNQUOTE

[zuckini007]

IS This Really the Real tape?

[TTTJJJ1971]

@zuckini007, Col.Halt made some copies of the tape to friends and one of these copies came out on the internet, so it´s the digital transfer of a copy of the real Halt tape. The tape has the right content as the original. The IMAGE of the tape in the "video" is just a montage of a tape with text written on it in Photoshop :)

[Karlemids]

even to this day the M.o.D insist the light[UFO] was the lighthouse in the distance.

since when did lighthouses move around, 4 feet off the ground, giving of radioactive readings...??

[BOYCOT4YT]

@Karlemids the military had an accident ON THE BASE and were retrieving the lost object from a "strategic carrier" in the surrounding woods.there was no reason at all to involve the press nor the general public TILL an idiot wanker started the so called UFOlanding hoax!ofcourse the military top and politician incrowd was pissed like hell!THAT's what really happend that night on that base!

[stefalbert]

What more proof do you need............????

[OldsKoOlRaaaver]

if you read the book u get more info - including The Prime Minister at the time marg thatcher's comments..

[DanR811]

Well, didn't they release the files to this incident? If so, has anyone read them? To me it seems they were expecting the visitors.....Why in the world would a general go into the field, especially if it is a potential hazard site. It sounds like the British government wanted to know if UFO's were real, so the US military/government set it up, since they were first with relations at Roswell.

[OldsKoOlRaaaver]

The only reason why we all know about this incident is because so many ppple were involved and it woz too hard to coverup. I'm not saying it has anything to do with aliens - just that CAUS took it to court under freedom of information laws and then reporters and books and politicians and army officials were interviewed.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@OldsKoOlRaaaver oh yeah ? one idiot of your base made the base to shame!how are U going to handle this to the press and the general public?they published the confession of the guard who told explicit how he did made the light and sound effects in the woods.IMO they should have better courtmartialed that stupied idiot guard kicking him out of the military and taken away all of his financial benefits.soooo much precious time and manhours lost just for the sake of a loser!

[tobias89]

They in Halt's own words 'headed back to the base' because they were scared.

[diamondmoney007]

So did this actually happen or what?

[n1hmrd]

according to the british goverment something happened that night,but who knows.

[TrueSkeptic77]

Ofcourse it did, the problem is what was it that landed?

[BOYCOT4YT]

@purplenoise2002

@howardb42006

at the moment it happend the guard got indeed the attention of plenty people,military and civil.

he tried to make his story hard but...failed in front of high rank military (belonging to the base)

so...he publicly confessed that he set up the hoax and how he did it.

this is a 100% example of how low i.q. people can be manipulated in their thinking by just one asshole.

btw the confession was broadcasted on BBC tv in a special program about this case.

[TTTJJJ1971]

So what you´re saying is that Sgt.Pennistons team really didn´t see a triangular craft on the ground on the first night, but actually saw this guy flashing his flashlight, and the team couldn´t tell the difference? And when one of the objects flew over Halts team and sent down a pencil beam of light just 1 meter in front of Halts feet, it was actually this guy again with his flashlight? I´m sure people can believe this if they´re retarded. BBC is known for their no facts debunking shows.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@TTTJJJ1971 1)on the ground was just "the fallen off a strategic carrier object".

1a)the object contained radio-active matter but was not activated.(DJEE DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT 4 U CHICKEN BRAINS ?!)

2)flying in the air were helicopters with searchlights on above the woods.

all the ufo and alien crap is just made up fraude later on and the false internet story started to live his own life.

[TTTJJJ1971]

@BOYCOT4YT Don´t you know that helicopters make a lot of noise. And don´t you think that Halt and his men would be aware of any helicopter activities around the base at the time? Well, I´m not the "chicken brain" here, to use your term.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@TTTJJJ1971 on the tape of Halt is just a description of STRANGE LIGHTS. in the air;BTW everybody on ufo case just leaves out THE FACT that at the same timeperiode a big fireball came from the sky with a good visible fiery tail and it was visible from that location too.caused reports of a falling/crashing airplane by civilians who watched it.the so called imprints on the ground:old rabbit holes and the scorched trees by heat/chipped trees by memebers of the timber compagny to mark the tree

[TTTJJJ1971]

@BOYCOT4YT And if what you´re trying to say is that the UFO incident was a military cover for an accident close to the base, well that theory doesn´t really stick since no one would have known about the incident unless Halts memo had gotten out. Halt and his team, as well as sgt Penniston and his team, are not the only witnesses to these event as many men on the base witnessed the incidents on and around the base. Personell were also brutally questioned and forced to shut up after the incidents.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@TTTJJJ1971 1)the military did not start nor spread the ufo hoax history.2)the short term emergency situation needed ferm handling directed by high rank officers whom were very pissed of the accident ON the base 3) a lower officer like a sergeant does not necissairy know the full details of the accident and IMO the sergeant involved had not been briefed at all since what happend COULD and SHOULD not have happend.military do sometimes things beyond the official

canals.above top-secret !

[TTTJJJ1971]

@BOYCOT4YT But Sgt. Penniston´s team was the first to have a real close encounter with this UFO as it landed in the forest on the first night of the sighting. It was triangular and stood on the ground for 40 min. It was sketched and photographed and notes where taken. It doesn´t sound like an accident to me.

And Halt was a high ranking officer (dep. base commander) at the base and should have been in the loop if there had been an accident.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@TTTJJJ1971 1)the sergeant could NOT produce afterwards one single photo nor drawing of any craft found in the woods.furthermore his story is completely different from what another so called eyewitness told later on.2)on his tape clearly to understand is another militar individual describing the effect of the light of the lighthouse.(rememeber so called aerial footage of mexican ufos filmed from a mexican air force plane? it was an OILPLANT!the airplane moved in the air and clouds were passing

[TTTJJJ1971]

@BOYCOT4YT That just shows how little you know about the Rendlesham forest case. The sgt. has his notebook where there are drawings of the craft, notes about size and also drawings of markings that were found on the craft so to say he didn´t have anything to show is just bull. Get your facts straight before you spam my video with your crap. Since you don´t have any knowledge of this case but still have put your heart on spamming my video, you are now officially blocked.

[13AJJONES]

@BOYCOT4YT ...YOIU REALLY ARE STUPID.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@13AJJONES U seems to belong to the bunch of retarded low i.q. paranoide idiots whom take every oportunity to construct hoaxes about conspiracies.i'll bet you can't even find without help your own penis if you get to piss!

[13AJJONES]

@BOYCOT4YT maybe you could learn to speak, and eveyone might have understood you then......you really are stupid it seems.

AND A PUSSY.

[BOYCOT4YT]

@13AJJONES GO playing with your thinkertoys since you are not able to even check for the real story! just quack quack with all the other paranoide conspiracy idiots.too bad the amount of such retards takes up so much internet bandwith that could be used otherwise by NORMAL people for doing NORMAL internetsearching;

[howardb42006]

Bull shit this was real mutiple witnesses from different locations and top ranking individuals-its real-deal with it !

[BOYCOT4YT]

@howardb42006 NO!that's what the made-up story tells!paranoide conspiracy idiots constructed this internet hoax!the confessions of the so called guard to the police tells another thing.he made the light and soundeffects in the woods.

[BOYCOT4YT]

the guard involved confessed in a BBCtv reportage some time ago that the entire case was set up by him !

100% H-O-A-X

[TTTJJJ1971]

"the guard involved"?? Do you know how many people were involved? The military police you´re talking about is the H-O-A-X. He didn´t "confess" to anything else then being an ass, and an easy to buy ass as a matter of fact. He was flashing his flashlight into the air from the forest and had the lights of his car blinking, that´s what he was saying, and that fooled an entire base into beliving that there where multiple objects beaming down lights to the weapons storage areas ...continued

[TTTJJJ1971]

continued... as well as a landed craft in the forest on the first night that was even sketched in a notepad? You must believe that Halt and the rest of the base are all nutjobs. Sorry dude, you´re just a victim of the U.S/British Governments cover up tactics. What Halt say " carefully planned disinformation campaigns".

[purplenoise2002]

no he didn't. Why do you make shit up?

[RavexAxLicious]

It's like they knew, of course.

"...it's off to the right."

seconds later...

"...just went left"

Fascinating audio :)

Thank You ^^

[noobcity456]

TTTJJJ1971, you got any other website or something i can check out'? Personally message me if you wish

[TTTJJJ1971]

noobcity456: Not really, but there are a lot of movies here on youtube and on google video about this incident. The NPC (National Press Club)UFO conference from 2007 is good too. It´s available in full on google video.

[eeasynow]

thanks !

[TTTJJJ1971]

You´re welcome :)

[longbeardandbald]

this is actually not the important bit, it's the earlier part of the tape, the genuine part. I have a very strong feeling tis bit might be an overlayed double recording to make it sound like flying saucers from mars when in fact, earlier on they seamed to be investigating something quite 'rea'. Dicuss.

[TTTJJJ1971]

longbeardandbald: According to the involved parties this part is also real. It´s Col.Halts own recording. Not overlayed or dubbed. If they mixed with it to cover something else up, then they could just have erased the tape and forgotten about it. Col. Halt has hold on to it all these years and he even shared it with some friends and *wush, it was out on the internet. There is nothing fake about this tape. If anyone is interested I´ve posted a link to where you can download the rec. see info

[zcm007attack]

could you post a transcript of the tape? thanx.

[TTTJJJ1971]

You can now find a link to the transcript in the information box to this video.

[flypast5]

Apparantly, the base commander, as in the top dog, was shipped back to the U.S. that night... just disappeared back to the U.S.

And (apparantly)... all the trees were cut down where this happened and shipped to the U.S. for examination.

[shaneski75]

straight ahead in between the trees.....there is is again !!

[optimuscarn]

listen 2 photek ufo bad ass sample of this,ive seen shit like this myself.

[Erkerkerk123]

I would consider this proof. The UK government tried to cover it up, and why would they go threw so much if it was fake?

Even if it isn't aliens, its still worth watching the video, and thinking about.

[c2c2p1]

iv seen white foam boil up from under a pine tree...in 30 dagree weather

[BoyintheMachine]

Then what you are describing is damage to the tree itself, like a major root. I had a tree that got attacked by some beetles and they burrowed into the trunk. White foam constantly bubbled from it and it would spray out sap just like a wound to an artery sprays out blood. Very weird, especialy the sound it made while spurting sap. It died soon after. I bet that tree you saw was a gonner as well.

[c2c2p1]

is there any authentic (or w/e) video?

[TTTJJJ1971]

c2c2p1:There are some really interesting videos but you have to do your own research about that.I don´t put that much focus on videos unless there are good witness statements together with it and the film is being examined by knowledgeble people.There is a film and a photograph in the belgian ufo case.The Mexican ufo wave started off with people filming a ufo during the solar eclipse,Mexican airforce filmed 12objects following and surrounding their aircraft and so on.Tip:Look for radar cases.

[c2c2p1]

ok :)

[c2c2p1]

wut state is this happening in?

[TTTJJJ1971]

c2c2p1: This happened on the airforce bases woodbridge and bentwaters in the UK. The lagest airforce base complex in europe at the time of the cold war.

[c2c2p1]

lol oh...hehe

[c2c2p1]

hahaha all these fake videos, claims, and abductions. all fake everyone of them. the point i myself am trying to make is if i had a

video camra one time i would have had the most undeiniable, most horrific, best quality

evadince anyone in the entire uniavers has

ever laid witness to. and i garente the cia or

who ever the crackhead unit is would have taken me out and put a bullet in my head right

where i stand...i garentee it..mark my words.

[TPSchaeffer]

If that is not enough evidence the UFO non believers will never believe anything they see or hear.

[ScepticallyBelieve]

Indeed, something VERY strange happened that night and irregardless something is being kept from the public.

[ScepticallyBelieve]

I don't think that there is enough evidence to conclude the incident was alien in nature, a good hypothesis though yes. You are correct in that we have no known aircraft that can take off vertically without making a large amount of noise, but that doesn't mean black ops projects don't have the tech. I believe they do have the tech and that it was probably back engineered from some alien tech, but there is also Tesla tech to consider as a possibility.

[TTTJJJ1971]

ScepticallyBelieve:If those were black ops vehicles,already working and being used far from testranges,that was 28years ago,I think we would have seen these crafts in action as surveillance and fighter aircrafts in Iraq and afghanistan by now.If they´ve had it for so long,they would use it 2day.Those vehicles should in that case have been constructed before the stealths,then why waste money on those primitive airplanes when they have aircrafts like the ones in Rendlesham?No,in my opinion alien:)

[ScepticallyBelieve]

There is a very good reason they would not be seen today. The propulsion system used obviously does not use our current system of combustion (sorry, i'm no scientist, correct if i'm wrong) so if these vehicles were used for the public to see it would be obvious that we have a new energy system that does not depend on oil, therefore the military-industrial complex (REPRODUCING ALIEN/TESLA TECH) that has close if not intimate ties to the oil/car/AIRPLANE industry would not make any more money.....

[ScepticallyBelieve]

The world economy would no longer be run by the oil/coal companies. Boeing/Lockheed/GM etc. sell airplanes and vehicles. These corps. are the military-industrial complex and would not want to relenquish their control of the industry that relies so heavily on oil, which all have ties the oil industry. The reason we don't see these vehicles in public demonstrations: money/greed/self interest. Surely your not saying ALL UFOs are alien. The govt. must be reproducing the tech in some capacity.

[TTTJJJ1971]

ScepticallyBelieve: Yes, it´s a possibility. Even though I would feel much safer with aliens than with human military/airforce crews in those vehicles.

[hawkeye59]

I have seen often where people speculate how they were seeing a lighthouse light however, the lighthouse has a large metal shield around the light so that the light is blocked from being seen from land. The opening in the shield faces out to sea. The lighthouse light cannot be seen from land.

[zezt]

@hawkeye59 I see a pattern of when 'explanations' are given about phenomena such as this-0-they are always SO stoopid and patronizing. Remember the famous 'swamp gas' explanation? And we have 'balloons' and 'flares' etc always patronizing to the observers and actual evidence. it is like the debunking propagandists choose the most loopy shit to discredit these events----reminds me of those kinds of really stupid ads you see on TV---it is some kind of trick to stick in gullible minds. dig??

[realityexplorations]

@hawkeye59 ''research'' 

[TTTJJJ1971]

Sgt. Penniston´s team saw the smaller landed craft on the first night. On the second night nothing was seen. On the third night Col.Halt´s team and more teams were sent out to the forest since a guard had reported that the lights were back. Warren is said to have been in one of these teams. The landed craft that warren talks about on the third night is not the same as the one seen on the first night by sgt.Penniston. Warrens craft is said to have landed on a field.

[TTTJJJ1971]

Halt and Penniston has never confirmed that what Warren is talking about has actually happened. Maybe because it hasn´t or maybe because that information is still classified.

The light seen manouvering through the trees by Halt´s team was a small red light which would have no problems moving around. Sgt.Penniston´s sighting was about 3 meters on the side and 2 meters high and broke off some branches as it took off.

About the prototypes, it was during the stoneage, dec 1980.

[TTTJJJ1971]

If there was such a prototype then, we would all know about it now and the technology would be used openly. No, humans couldn´t make such vehicles, and in my opinion we still can´t. In maybe 30 years we´ll be able to use roomtemperature superconductors but not in 1980.

[mintwithahole]

In my mind there is no doubt that at least some of the time Halt is mistaking the Orford Ness lighthouse as being the object they entered the forest to investigate. When a serious investigation was conducted it was discovered that there was no radar sighting as reported by numorous UFO investigators. Still, something very strange happened that night but I would bet my last dollar that warren and his cronies weren't there!

[TTTJJJ1971]

The first night,sgt.Penniston and his team saw the object on the ground for 40 minutes, and then it went up through the trees and shot off without a sound.That´s not a lighthouse that´s for sure.

Also the lights, that Halt´s team and more people saw over the base, that shot lightbeams like lasers down at the weapons storage area, can´t, in my opinion, have been anything else than intelligent controlled crafts. They also got one of these narrow beams right in front of their feet.

[mintwithahole]

I think you misread what I said! I said , "that at least some of the time" they mistaking the lighthouse for the object they were searching for. Also, depending on who's testimony you read, they are bathed in light- they have narrow laser like beams of light directed at their feet- there's lights flying all over the forest..! Too inconsistent to really be taken seriously. I agree with you that something weird happened in the vicinity of Rendlesham but was it proof of alien visitation?

[TTTJJJ1971]

There is nothing inconsistent about the sightings at the Rendlesham area. The sighting took place over two nights and the second night it lasted for several hours. Was it proof of alien visitation you aksed, well, everything that humans have that takes of verically, makes a lot of noise so logically speaking, yes, it is proof of alien visitation, or as I rather call it an alien presence on earth.

[mintwithahole]

Dont you think this could be a top secret advanced proto type aircraft of some kind? Also, Larry Warren says that his encounter happened on a third night but then says that Holts escapade in the forest was happening at the same time..! The craft is also said to be the size of a tank, the size of a car, 30 foot, 50 foot, and so it goes on. Vince Thirkettle, the forester says that nothing of this size could move through the forest as the trees were so tightly grouped together. Doesn't make sense.