@elieltanr It's from the Liszt etude set called Douze Grandes Etudes (as it says in the title) from 1837 on which the Transcendental Etudes set from 1851 is based.
@elieltanr This is the first version where we can hear the familiar mazeppa theme.
The early work from douze etudes S.136 where more an etude for thirds. In 1837 he started revising the douze etudes to end up with the grandes etudes S.137.
This version is S.137. In 1840 he revised it again after reading Victor Hugos Mazeppa, and it's published as Mazeppa S.138. Then in 1851 he revised the Grandes etudes again, and we end up with Études d'exécution transcendante, S.139.
@elieltanr An interesting note is that people say the 2-4 fingering is to make it sound like a galloping horse. But the 2-4 fingering is first seen in the 1837 version, and the connection with the legend of the man straped to a horse, came in 1840. But still, the 2-4 fingering has a musicall purpose wich isn't to far from the horsetheory. S.139vis easier than S.137, but it's said that mazeppa got harder. I havent played the 1837 version, but from the sheets I must say its subjective!
@FranzLisztFerentz Better? No. Awesome? Yeah! He is definitely one of my favourites. Just started playing this piece, I'm looking forward to the end result.
@FranzLisztFerentz He is, well, certainly one of the greatest and horribly underrated. There would have been no Wagner without the Faust Symphony. Music for people who truly understand and appreciate music (as distinct from all those, oh, we know who).
@FranzLisztFerentz I don't think they can be compared so easily. If Beethoven had lived to see how music had progressed at the time Liszt wrote this, and wasn't deaf so he could actually hear it, he might have been inspired to write differently.
Easier than Trascendental version but more musically. I love the tone of the ascending thirds on the main theme. Trascendental version is more "violent" I think.
que listo!!! Lizt no era mucho mejor que Beethoven simplemente era de la época del romanticismo tardío, y la característica de ejecución pianística era totalmente diferente ( escalas en terceras sextas y octavas quebradas, cadencias elaboradas con acordes, acompañamientos con acordes quebrados octavados y acordes arpegiados).......era otro estilo musical. Beethoven está cronológicamente más cerca del clasicismo que del romanticismo!!!
Funny how youtube works, I was listening to this and then clicked a few suggestions, ended up at a video titled "wear a condom man!" which was 20 seconds of a baby screaming. Now magically i'm back here
I can't really stand by and applaud this performance. The pianist breaks rhythm in almost every measure during some sections, and he/she doesn't seem to understand contrast in phrasing, intonation, or even dynamics; Every section is played predominantly in fff. I seriously doubt this was done by a maestro, because the composer must have wasted his time by writing notes and tempo and dynamic markings.
Well, as a student i think it's actually more difficult than the transcendental one, though i can't stop laughing at 1:16. It should be moving, isn't it?
I'm sorry, but the interpretation here is just lacking in imagination and I'm not at all impressed by the sonority and colour of the fat chords in the piece. Honestly, he made the piano sound tinny, and the octave dominated sections just ended up boring me instead of sounding like cadenzas.
in my opinion this version of mazeppa is a lot more dramatic than the later one. This is a lot simpler, but to me that lets that incredible main theme stand out even more. those blasting chords carrying the melody at the start are absolutely incredible. however, the part in the trascendental version where the slow theme is played with the ascending chromatics is for me one of the most beautiful things ever written for piano if played correctly (cziffra comes to mind).
This earlier second version of Liszt's 12 Etudes is very interesting and revealing! As far as maturity as a composer is concerned, Chopin was way ahead of Liszt at that time - just look at his Etudes opus 10 and 25 which were published in 1833 and 1837 respectively. Generally speaking, these 12 Etudes are even in this second version something like a SUPERMAN-CZERNY. It took Liszt almost another 20 years to explore their full poetic potential...
@dexterityhunter There's an even earlier version of these 12 etudes: The Op. 1 etudes! I think Liszt wanted to make these into more musical pieces than Chopin did, but you're right that it took him a while before he really "got" it.
@ann03071874 ... Nope. Try the section from 1:17 in this video. It's insane. And the slow part is harder in this version than the T.E. Mazeppa. The "showy" parts in Mazeppa (the intro and the octaves just before the slow part) is not so very difficult after all. However, both of these masterworks are very hard to play.
Most of the 1837 etudes were harder than the revisions we most commonly hear now, but this one is actually easier than the Mazeppa we now hear with the crossing hands.
sigh..I love this piece, so immersed in the Romantic style yet an important development that would lead to impressionism. This and his "Dante's Inferno" piece: wonderful! I will learn this piece before I die...count on it!!
@ToxicLabProductions The transcendental version was a simplified version of the Grandes etudes however the transcendental version of this piece is said to be more difficult.
@hotbebimauz This version, S.137, has only been commercially recorded three times. The only recording to remain available is that by Leslie Howard (and that is what you hear right now). What do you compare it with? (Probably the S.139 transcendental Etude "Mazeppa".)
@hotbebimauz This version, S.137, has only been commercially recorded three times. The only recording to remain available is that by Leslie Howard (and that is what you hear right now). What do you compare it with? (Probably the S.139 transcendental Etude "Mazeppa".)
Liszt made 4 versions. First version: s.136. Second version: s.137 - known as 12 Grandes Etudes. Third version: s.138, the first version with the name "Mazeppa", and it has the intro you can hear in the TE-version. Final version: s.139 - known as Transcendental Etude, and it has the name "Mazeppa". This is the most played version. Liszt's intentions with the TE:s was to make easier versions of the GE:s. Well, I don't think he really reached that goal.
Liszt made several versions of this etude. This performance of Leslie Howard is the fourth Etude in 12 GE, s.137. And it is played exactly from the score.
@eggplant1994 Sorry but you should be able to hear that this is much different than the one Berezovsky plays. I don't think Berezovsky ever played this one. Publicly at least
Did anyone see the trailer for the movie Mazeppa at the Castro theater in the 1994 or so. I have been looking for the movie ever since. I have only found reference to "A Prayer for Mazeppa" If you know, please answer.
@FranzLisztian Liszt is certainly a most prolific and ingenious composer and pianist of all time, but I beg to differ my friend. They were of different musical eras.
@Sword1479 You can't really compare the two in terms of the emotions of their works. Everyone is going to respond to them on a different level, especially considering they are from two different musical eras.
@FranzLisztian Piano-technique as you call it developed gradually with the developement of the instruments of the times like Broadwood,Stodart,Pleyel,Èrard and so on.Do you imagine for once how the Hammerklavier Sonata was received in 1818 - only 9 years after Haydn´s death?
concerning that liszt needed more than this speed . but what the pianist did in this video is transcendent grnious not a human ... ana my whole life am living for is for reaching this GE4 after i played TE4
Actually, there's a part of the GE that Leslie doesn't play. The very beginning of Mazeppa is in GE too, however they are played at the same time rather than "descending" if you understand what I mean.
I always thought that Mazeppa and GE were two different pieces.. according to my sheet music and the version I play. [GE4]
In my book, Mazeppa = GE No. 4 without any opening introduction chords, and those trilling chords at the very end of the piece.
My version is exactly like the one in the video and although the video doesn't quite show it, my sheet music has a No. 4 at the top of the first page, indicating that this is the beginning of the piece.
ccen1- No, Chopin wrote his Revolutionary Etude in 1831, and Liszt wrote the second version of the 4th Etude in 1838. Liszt wrote his after Chopin wrote the Rev. Etude.
well, that makes perfect sense. both chopin and liszt, in their respective compositions, displaced the intervals of the harmonic minor scale to construct the noted passages--and you'll find that this device is expended throughout innumerable works within the vast historical catalogue of classical music by composers of inherently dissimilar propensity and musical tastes. example: the arpeggio beethoven frequently employs that essentially rephrases a chord over all its inversions
This peice is beautiful and I love it. I am in the process of learning it right now and I hope to finish soon. I think the Douze Grandes Etudes are better than the Transcendental versions, they are more emotionally satisfying and even more grand.
A lot of the Transcendental versions are a very butchered version of the Douze Grandes; and like you said, they don't capture the sheer emotional power that the Douze Grandes does.
Much better and more emotionally satisfying than the Transcendental version. The piece is supposed to be about a man tied to a horse that is set running off, as a punishment. The pathos here is just right - and the Transcendental seems cold and empty like an intellectual exercise in comparison to this.
I think this is really interesting. I would say that some parts in mazeppa are better than same parts in this piece, but same vice versa. Middle section in this piece is in my opinion better than in mazeppa.
Actually, this one isn't called Mazeppa, or even about it, so it's not even meant to be evoking that imagery, but I mean I guess it's obviously related in style and feel and if it does evoke that feeling for you, great.
That said, It's clear this is totally unrelated to the Mazeppa story because the whole ending from Transcendental 4 is missing, which is a very important part of the story. Also Allegro Animato is FF in this one, while it's piano in the TE, which is important too
This Etude reminds me of Chopin's revolutionary etude in C minor..for some reason lol.
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this sounds more like a man being dragged by a horse.
ChrisWatch 6 days ago
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Good music
kkkkkkkkkkkk240 1 week ago
I wonder if Liszt ever had trouble playing any of these more difficult pieces in his older age.
matthew1722 2 weeks ago in playlist Liszt grande etude
Wheres the opening? I this the easy version?
Vesivian 3 weeks ago
I like the slow section of this better than the Transcendental version however I like everything else better in the Transcendental version.
cedricrlongreen 1 month ago
Liszt was on a wholenother planet when he wrote this
cedricrlongreen 1 month ago
this is not the original mazeppa, whose transcription is this? anyone knows?
elieltanr 2 months ago
@elieltanr It's from the Liszt etude set called Douze Grandes Etudes (as it says in the title) from 1837 on which the Transcendental Etudes set from 1851 is based.
SanctumZero 2 months ago
@elieltanr This is the first version where we can hear the familiar mazeppa theme.
The early work from douze etudes S.136 where more an etude for thirds. In 1837 he started revising the douze etudes to end up with the grandes etudes S.137.
This version is S.137. In 1840 he revised it again after reading Victor Hugos Mazeppa, and it's published as Mazeppa S.138. Then in 1851 he revised the Grandes etudes again, and we end up with Études d'exécution transcendante, S.139.
bb0ysmiley 2 months ago
@elieltanr An interesting note is that people say the 2-4 fingering is to make it sound like a galloping horse. But the 2-4 fingering is first seen in the 1837 version, and the connection with the legend of the man straped to a horse, came in 1840. But still, the 2-4 fingering has a musicall purpose wich isn't to far from the horsetheory. S.139vis easier than S.137, but it's said that mazeppa got harder. I havent played the 1837 version, but from the sheets I must say its subjective!
bb0ysmiley 2 months ago
hey, Berezovsky, you could play this piece for us, couldn't you? :-)
FranzLisztFerentz 3 months ago
I really like the middle of this more than the transcendental one I think.
fierydog 5 months ago
Who is the pianist?
FranzLisztFerentz 5 months ago
@FranzLisztFerentz Leslie Howard. Do you happen to know of any other good recordings of this piece on youtube?
Ichiroskaa 5 months ago
@Ichiroskaa oh, thanks, lad. No, this is the only really good version I know.
FranzLisztFerentz 3 months ago
Thumbs up to this comment who thinks Liszt is better than Beethoven.
I think he (Liszt) is THE best composer, I just wanna know your opinion, aye?
FranzLisztFerentz 5 months ago
@FranzLisztFerentz Dude you don't need thumbs up for facts... Of course Liszt is better.
Try this one: Thumbs up if you think fish swim!!
See, looks ridiculous, doesn't it!
Horowitzer 5 months ago 16
@Horowitzer and Alkan is even better
F14Lolcat 4 months ago
@Horowitzer and Alkan is even better
F14Lolcat 4 months ago
@Horowitzer I certainly agree with ya, lad!
FranzLisztFerentz 3 weeks ago
@FranzLisztFerentz Better? No. Awesome? Yeah! He is definitely one of my favourites. Just started playing this piece, I'm looking forward to the end result.
Tu16 3 months ago
@FranzLisztFerentz He is, well, certainly one of the greatest and horribly underrated. There would have been no Wagner without the Faust Symphony. Music for people who truly understand and appreciate music (as distinct from all those, oh, we know who).
Enantiodromialist 3 months ago 2
@Enantiodromialist indeed; horribly underrated, unfortunately
FranzLisztFerentz 3 months ago
@FranzLisztFerentz my fave for sure :)
punkviolin1 4 weeks ago
@FranzLisztFerentz I don't think they can be compared so easily. If Beethoven had lived to see how music had progressed at the time Liszt wrote this, and wasn't deaf so he could actually hear it, he might have been inspired to write differently.
matthew1722 2 weeks ago
Easier than Trascendental version but more musically. I love the tone of the ascending thirds on the main theme. Trascendental version is more "violent" I think.
kzelmer 5 months ago
Sounds completely different compared to when Cziffra plays this.
KoviRobi 5 months ago in playlist Franz Liszt
It looks easier than the original.
gr4l9um20b7o 6 months ago in playlist Liszt etudes for piano score reading
Epic.
gmcruz123yahoo 7 months ago
Indescribably brilliant from start to finish. The word I choose to describe this piece is "heroic".
forgottenbooks 7 months ago
que listo!!! Lizt no era mucho mejor que Beethoven simplemente era de la época del romanticismo tardío, y la característica de ejecución pianística era totalmente diferente ( escalas en terceras sextas y octavas quebradas, cadencias elaboradas con acordes, acompañamientos con acordes quebrados octavados y acordes arpegiados).......era otro estilo musical. Beethoven está cronológicamente más cerca del clasicismo que del romanticismo!!!
TheMusicpatri 7 months ago
It's interesting to observe the evolution of this d-minor etude.
At first his youth works S136, then the grandes études S137/138 (this version) and at last the transcendental etudes S139.
I think the "Mazeppa" of the transcendental etudes is the best balanced etude :)
parule 8 months ago 13
Funny how youtube works, I was listening to this and then clicked a few suggestions, ended up at a video titled "wear a condom man!" which was 20 seconds of a baby screaming. Now magically i'm back here
huzzzzzzahh 8 months ago
I can't really stand by and applaud this performance. The pianist breaks rhythm in almost every measure during some sections, and he/she doesn't seem to understand contrast in phrasing, intonation, or even dynamics; Every section is played predominantly in fff. I seriously doubt this was done by a maestro, because the composer must have wasted his time by writing notes and tempo and dynamic markings.
Lukecash12 9 months ago
i am in love with Franz Liszt. Amazing....just amazing.
mcmolgog 10 months ago 2
Who performed this? And is this from the 1837 score or one of the later rewrites?
1134karl 11 months ago
@1134karl its the original one, before the liszt revised it.
published 1837
FlyingBlackAndWhite 11 months ago
@1134karl This is performed by Leslie Howard. The recording is from his complete Liszt Pianoworks.
medsols 1 month ago
Well, as a student i think it's actually more difficult than the transcendental one, though i can't stop laughing at 1:16. It should be moving, isn't it?
FfSpgfLerWhd 1 year ago
@FfSpgfLerWhd That part (at 1:16) is extremely demanding. Insane.
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FfSpgfLerWhd 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but the interpretation here is just lacking in imagination and I'm not at all impressed by the sonority and colour of the fat chords in the piece. Honestly, he made the piano sound tinny, and the octave dominated sections just ended up boring me instead of sounding like cadenzas.
Lukecash12 1 year ago
in my opinion this version of mazeppa is a lot more dramatic than the later one. This is a lot simpler, but to me that lets that incredible main theme stand out even more. those blasting chords carrying the melody at the start are absolutely incredible. however, the part in the trascendental version where the slow theme is played with the ascending chromatics is for me one of the most beautiful things ever written for piano if played correctly (cziffra comes to mind).
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Fuckingsadasshole 1 year ago
i think that the trascendental version of this is MUCH better than the grand...
Erikk91 1 year ago
Who is the pianist playing?
ann03071874 1 year ago
@ann03071874 The most boring pianist to ever live; Leslie Howard
OverFjell 1 year ago 2
@OverFjell Thanks :)
boohellokitty 1 year ago
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@ann03071874 This is performed by Leslie Howard. The recording is from his complete Liszt Pianoworks.
medsols 1 month ago
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Who is the pianist playing?
ann03071874 1 year ago
Who is the pianist playing?
ann03071874 1 year ago
This earlier second version of Liszt's 12 Etudes is very interesting and revealing! As far as maturity as a composer is concerned, Chopin was way ahead of Liszt at that time - just look at his Etudes opus 10 and 25 which were published in 1833 and 1837 respectively. Generally speaking, these 12 Etudes are even in this second version something like a SUPERMAN-CZERNY. It took Liszt almost another 20 years to explore their full poetic potential...
dexterityhunter 1 year ago
@dexterityhunter There's an even earlier version of these 12 etudes: The Op. 1 etudes! I think Liszt wanted to make these into more musical pieces than Chopin did, but you're right that it took him a while before he really "got" it.
OrangeSodaKing 1 year ago
@OrangeSodaKing Thank you for your reply! ...
Liszt's opus 1 is the childish first version of these etudes, and the
12 Transcendental Etudes represent their final third version.
Chopin's studies help develop a certain technique (with tremendous success), whereas
to Liszt's etudes technique is a prerequisite. Both are summits in the history of piano music,
of course.
dexterityhunter 1 year ago
3:53 i love it
mikdip0192 1 year ago
am i the only one who thinks this one is easier than the transcendent mazeppa (not the last variation, that one is harder :p)
lottoformulier 1 year ago
@lottoformulier You're right, the transcendental one is harder. Actually its the only one that is harder than the original grand etudes.
ann03071874 1 year ago
@ann03071874 ... Nope. Try the section from 1:17 in this video. It's insane. And the slow part is harder in this version than the T.E. Mazeppa. The "showy" parts in Mazeppa (the intro and the octaves just before the slow part) is not so very difficult after all. However, both of these masterworks are very hard to play.
medsols 1 year ago
Nothing compare to Cziffra rendition !!!
flouz2 1 year ago
electric music sucks...(and this is electric music, no feelings)
BlazeKenny 1 year ago
Most of the 1837 etudes were harder than the revisions we most commonly hear now, but this one is actually easier than the Mazeppa we now hear with the crossing hands.
OrangeSodaKing 1 year ago
fantastique!!!!!!!!!!!!!
joueurdetrompette22 1 year ago
This is so incredibly difficult
ToxicLabProductions 1 year ago
After Berezovsky i feel that unfortunately can't appreciate any other version of mazeppa!
pianistadiroma 1 year ago
@pianistadiroma Have you heard Miroslav Kultyshev's?
OriginalBasaliskos 1 year ago
@OriginalBasaliskos Its pretty damn good! I would also recommend Berezovsky.
thecollective09 1 year ago
@pianistadiroma Try Cziffra
flouz2 1 year ago
DIVINO!!!!!MOSTRUOSAMENTE DIFFICILE...I LOVE LISZT
liszt73 1 year ago 2
sigh..I love this piece, so immersed in the Romantic style yet an important development that would lead to impressionism. This and his "Dante's Inferno" piece: wonderful! I will learn this piece before I die...count on it!!
chimayai 1 year ago
What is the difference between this version, and the Transcendental etude version?
ToxicLabProductions 1 year ago
@ToxicLabProductions The transcendental version was a simplified version of the Grandes etudes however the transcendental version of this piece is said to be more difficult.
cedricrlongreen 1 year ago
@ToxicLabProductions
this version, although a misconception, is easier than the 1851 transcendental version.
xxh3llfir3xx 1 year ago 2
im sorry but this version is much too slow.
hotbebimauz 1 year ago
@hotbebimauz This version, S.137, has only been commercially recorded three times. The only recording to remain available is that by Leslie Howard (and that is what you hear right now). What do you compare it with? (Probably the S.139 transcendental Etude "Mazeppa".)
medsols 1 year ago
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@hotbebimauz This version, S.137, has only been commercially recorded three times. The only recording to remain available is that by Leslie Howard (and that is what you hear right now). What do you compare it with? (Probably the S.139 transcendental Etude "Mazeppa".)
medsols 1 year ago
-.- i just started learning notes ... but that looks like some kind of secret code^^ well someday i´ll be able to play it..maybe--hopefully :D
ASIRA89 1 year ago
I got goosebumps listening to that slow section...so gorgeous!
jojobanjo 1 year ago 2
Liszt made 4 versions. First version: s.136. Second version: s.137 - known as 12 Grandes Etudes. Third version: s.138, the first version with the name "Mazeppa", and it has the intro you can hear in the TE-version. Final version: s.139 - known as Transcendental Etude, and it has the name "Mazeppa". This is the most played version. Liszt's intentions with the TE:s was to make easier versions of the GE:s. Well, I don't think he really reached that goal.
medsols 1 year ago
Liszt made several versions of this etude. This performance of Leslie Howard is the fourth Etude in 12 GE, s.137. And it is played exactly from the score.
medsols 1 year ago
If I had been Liszt i wouldn't have changed it! this version is so beautifull! what did he need to change version? this is the best one for me
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dantheman4917 1 year ago
I think I prefer this version to the other...
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harysman 1 year ago
Does anyone have the Douze Grandes Etudes version of Vision?
KeithWhalen11 2 years ago
I have all the versions of the 12 etudes.
Although i cannot give it to you because its in a book by dover publications.
The name of the book is called
Franz Liszt Complete Etudes for Solo Piano Series 1: including the transcendental etudes.
If you buy this book, you will have all three versions of this song.
By DoverPublications
I hope this can help all you talented pianists! Good luck! XD
DecepticonRavagexX 2 years ago
@KeithWhalen11
I have a midi file of it, I can upload it on youtube if you want? I got all of them except no.9.
FranzLisztian 1 year ago 3
@FranzLisztian id like that
KevinBeethoven 1 year ago
@KevinBeethoven
Okay I'll try to find it and upload it today.
FranzLisztian 1 year ago
@KeithWhalen11
Alright, uploaded!
FranzLisztian 1 year ago
wow. this piece is much more contemplative when i listen to it from someone who plays it at humane speeds (not berezovsky, lol)
also, it's probably what my rendition will end up sounding like, so it's nice to hear it as i should play it in the future.
eggplant1994 2 years ago
@eggplant1994 Sorry but you should be able to hear that this is much different than the one Berezovsky plays. I don't think Berezovsky ever played this one. Publicly at least
trtnec 1 year ago
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KevinBeethoven 2 years ago
oh yeah!
richclayderman 2 years ago
I think this has become my favorite peice: amazing.
SlyStallone208 2 years ago
I had NO idea that this piece was this hard! HOLY CRAP! AAHHH!
chutdigadut 2 years ago 2
Did anyone see the trailer for the movie Mazeppa at the Castro theater in the 1994 or so. I have been looking for the movie ever since. I have only found reference to "A Prayer for Mazeppa" If you know, please answer.
stanthology 2 years ago
i played the transcendental mazeppa ... but before i die i must play this grand mazeppa and am working for it
costellopianist 2 years ago 29
you know that this is the earlier version of mazeppa and that mazeppa is much harder than this one?
The19thCentury 2 years ago
@costellopianist fantastic, good luck ^^
hailkayy 2 years ago
thx dude :)
costellopianist 2 years ago
costellopianist: me tooo!!!!!! I willll play it! and 2nd hungarian rhapsody
winkandrun 2 years ago
@costellopianist
The Transcendental is harder... I've played them both, but this one may be more passionate depending on the interpreter.
CodyNelsonMusic 10 months ago
@costellopianist
As I understood it, the 1851 version was more difficult than the 1838 version.
MoonMankkkkkk 7 months ago
lol.
suyangsong 2 years ago
You listen with your ear and look at the scores with your eyes.... You needed instructions for that?!
And Liszt was a better pianist than Beethoven.
addeex1 2 years ago 3
this must be Leslie Howard!
marcohorowitz8 2 years ago
Liszt was much better than Beethoven, at least technically.
FranzLisztian 2 years ago 45
@FranzLisztian your correct, technically.
BlackMasterJoe89 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian That's just not the same period of music... you can't say he's better or not, that's a completely different view to make music
Rednasyl1 1 year ago
@Rednasyl1
We were talking about who was the best pianist, not composer.
FranzLisztian 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian In some way, its correct your statement, but in the end, you will need Liszt technique to play Beethoven music properly.
alexggable 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian Liszt is certainly a most prolific and ingenious composer and pianist of all time, but I beg to differ my friend. They were of different musical eras.
heyletsplay 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian Shit
backorybackory 1 year ago
Shit
backorybackory 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian But not emotionally.
Sword1479 1 year ago
@Sword1479 I'd say emotionally they were equals
OverFjell 1 year ago
@Sword1479 You can't really compare the two in terms of the emotions of their works. Everyone is going to respond to them on a different level, especially considering they are from two different musical eras.
But Liszt was an admirer of Beethoven's music.
OriginalBasaliskos 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian
yeah... erm... liszt had some hundred years of intense development of music theory and technique to build upon ^^
apples and oranges... like "picasso was much better than rembrandt"
annanueta 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian
yeah... erm... liszt had some hundred years of intense development of music theory and technique to build upon ^^
apples and oranges... like "picasso was much better than rembrandt"
oh yeah, and also he had those grand chops you can play anything with... like, double octaves :D
annanueta 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian no comparison!!
jelwah1 1 year ago
@FranzLisztian But Beethoven was better composer then Liszt
DadoD999 11 months ago 2
@DadoD999 I disagree at least liszt was better at tenique
2hyeok 6 months ago
@DadoD999 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't make me laugh(:
piano9977 6 months ago
@FranzLisztian Liszt better than Beethoven???? come on get a life!!
callasnuts 6 months ago
@callasnuts
When it comes to piano technique Liszt was better than Beethoven, however when it comes to composition perhaps not. Don´t insult me.
FranzLisztian 6 months ago
@FranzLisztian Piano-technique as you call it developed gradually with the developement of the instruments of the times like Broadwood,Stodart,Pleyel,Èrard and so on.Do you imagine for once how the Hammerklavier Sonata was received in 1818 - only 9 years after Haydn´s death?
callasnuts 6 months ago
@callasnuts
Perhaps, it really depends on how you view the whole thing. In the end, it doesnt really matter.
FranzLisztian 6 months ago
@FranzLisztian Oh,doesn´t it?
callasnuts 6 months ago
concerning that liszt needed more than this speed . but what the pianist did in this video is transcendent grnious not a human ... ana my whole life am living for is for reaching this GE4 after i played TE4
costellopianist 2 years ago
Wheres the beggining lol! theres a whole chordal passage and a long scale in the beggining leading into this lol
bigtyme20 2 years ago
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ECHSMusician 2 years ago
This is the better version.
ECHSMusician 2 years ago 2
That was added in a later version.
xMarkerz 2 years ago
Actually, there's a part of the GE that Leslie doesn't play. The very beginning of Mazeppa is in GE too, however they are played at the same time rather than "descending" if you understand what I mean.
No idea why Leslie doesn't play them.
FranzLisztian 2 years ago
I always thought that Mazeppa and GE were two different pieces.. according to my sheet music and the version I play. [GE4]
In my book, Mazeppa = GE No. 4 without any opening introduction chords, and those trilling chords at the very end of the piece.
My version is exactly like the one in the video and although the video doesn't quite show it, my sheet music has a No. 4 at the top of the first page, indicating that this is the beginning of the piece.
xMarkerz 2 years ago
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You could check my profile, I have a midi file there of this piece.
FranzLisztian 2 years ago
this is not mazeppa.this is the second version.third is mazeppa.i wonder why you dont hear the really big differences.
Achtelnote 2 years ago
For all of you who say this one is easier than the TE one, check out my profile.
FranzLisztian 2 years ago
Lmao, I just broke a string on my piano while I was practicing this song. :/
xMarkerz 2 years ago 5
GG.
ECHSMusician 2 years ago
3:38 =S???? it's a different version=S?????
edtskyline 2 years ago 2
What? Diffrent version of what? :S
addeex1 2 years ago
Yes it is different I didn't know but nazhiitoxx said that in the No. 5.
edtskyline 2 years ago
Awesome
Angel94angel94 2 years ago
Reminds me of Chopin's Etude Revolutionary 0:55-1:15. Or maybe I'm just hearing things? =)
michaeljh216 2 years ago 6
You are right, there is definetely some similarity, as well rhythmic as well as harmonic and melodic.
TheGrandBrand 2 years ago 2
the melody and the mood (and both minor) but not the accompaniment where the revolutionary has fast flowing appregios
theromanpraetorian 2 years ago 2
well Chopin did write the "Revolutionary Etude" after Liszt wrote this 4th etude
ccen1 2 years ago
ccen1- No, Chopin wrote his Revolutionary Etude in 1831, and Liszt wrote the second version of the 4th Etude in 1838. Liszt wrote his after Chopin wrote the Rev. Etude.
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
@chopinandliszt oh yes you are correct! :)
ccen1 1 year ago
@michaeljh216:
well, that makes perfect sense. both chopin and liszt, in their respective compositions, displaced the intervals of the harmonic minor scale to construct the noted passages--and you'll find that this device is expended throughout innumerable works within the vast historical catalogue of classical music by composers of inherently dissimilar propensity and musical tastes. example: the arpeggio beethoven frequently employs that essentially rephrases a chord over all its inversions
tdavis2797 2 years ago
@tdavis2797 : catalog*
tdavis2797 2 years ago
hoo
ik krijg er koppijn van xD
anissax1 2 years ago
This peice is beautiful and I love it. I am in the process of learning it right now and I hope to finish soon. I think the Douze Grandes Etudes are better than the Transcendental versions, they are more emotionally satisfying and even more grand.
hophophippopotamus 2 years ago 2
I agree...
A lot of the Transcendental versions are a very butchered version of the Douze Grandes; and like you said, they don't capture the sheer emotional power that the Douze Grandes does.
xMarkerz 2 years ago
Can you tell me what the difference is between the Transcendental and the Grandes Etudes?
Surfrulez 2 years ago
Most GE is harder, GE came out 1837 and TE came out 1852. The TE is simplifications of the GE
addeex1 2 years ago 2
It really sounds like Mazeppa But the transcendental one looks crazier in the onpening
Desmonddd2002 2 years ago
Much better and more emotionally satisfying than the Transcendental version. The piece is supposed to be about a man tied to a horse that is set running off, as a punishment. The pathos here is just right - and the Transcendental seems cold and empty like an intellectual exercise in comparison to this.
nextren 3 years ago
I think this is really interesting. I would say that some parts in mazeppa are better than same parts in this piece, but same vice versa. Middle section in this piece is in my opinion better than in mazeppa.
Aul1kki 3 years ago
I think you're right about the middle part, I almost want to combine the two and see what it sounds like
trtnec 2 years ago
middle bit here is much nicer yeah
yundilang 2 years ago
Actually, this one isn't called Mazeppa, or even about it, so it's not even meant to be evoking that imagery, but I mean I guess it's obviously related in style and feel and if it does evoke that feeling for you, great.
That said, It's clear this is totally unrelated to the Mazeppa story because the whole ending from Transcendental 4 is missing, which is a very important part of the story. Also Allegro Animato is FF in this one, while it's piano in the TE, which is important too
trtnec 2 years ago 2
It is also slightly abit easier then Mazeppa.
The grand opening of Mazeppa disappeared too.
Desmonddd2002 2 years ago
No I think mazeppa is a simplification. The transcendental etudes are simplifications of his douze grandes etudes
yundilang 2 years ago 3
mazeppa is the only transcendental etude that was harder than its predecessor in the Douze Grandes Etudes.
xxh3llfir3xx 2 years ago
@yundilang This is the exception.
Tu16 7 months ago
The opening didn´t disapear in GE it appeared in TE. This one came out before transcendental
addeex1 2 years ago
genius...silenzio!
goldberg72 3 years ago
Wow, thanks for your opinion...I would love to see you play the Mazeppa no. 4. After wathching Berovsky, it's pretty inspiring!
MissPianist 3 years ago