I agree. Whilst living in Spain I heard some beautiful chanting from Madrid Cathedrals, to Seville Chapels, to the Monastery in Monserrat... no matter how one sings, or in what language, if it is done with piety and belief it will sounds beautiful to God.
I belong to this Church under Metropolitan Leonty (but in Australia).
I have been to MP churches in Russia (and elsewhere) and I must say whilst the 'opera' style is an aamzing sound - to me it is beautiful 'artistically' - the old-style chanting to me is inseparable from piety because it is only used for church.
To be honest with you - I think that more than 80% of people don't realise that as of May the communion between the BK & MC Eparchies ceased. We're so far away that the 'Russian' church has always been a distant cousin. I'd like to speak with my priest and see his views on the matter. We just trod along doing our thing! :) It is a shame though - I personally would like to see all Old Rite (BK, MC & NZK)churches unite. It seems a shame but the term 'raskolniki' still truly applies I guess.
I prefer old style chanting - it's spiritual. It's difficult to pray when I hear modern opera chants, it annoys a little bit. In my choir I don't use modern chants.
The other sounds more like how they sung the Church I went to. If you notice the hymn in the baptism video, that is old Hispanic chant. Orthodox Chant sounds best when it is pious, and song with humility. I have heard piety in harmonies, but very often it becomes much like reading music-sheets and sounding like a choir, and not "praying".
Well singing, is no different from calendar issues and such. Choral singing (not necessary monodic) goes against what the Church fathers wrote and wanted from Church music. Mozarabic, Ambrosian, and Gallic chants really are great. Unforetunately I've only heard them performed by Ensemble Organum.
In our Synod, we use many of those chants. My experience with Old Russian Chant helped my ear a lot in terms of hearing the actual melody of the Spanish chant.
In the end, real Church chant of East or West is not all that different, if the heart is in the right place.
We used mostly the old chant in the Church I went to (not-MP) when I lived in St Petersburg. It is far better than the opera chanting. Are these people part of your Church?
No, these people are under the Orthodox Old-rite Church of Belaya Krinitsa hierarchy under Metropolotian Leontius. Our people sing like in the other video "Elevation of the Cross".
Old-rite Russian singing sounds a lot more like Byzantine Chant than "standard" Russian singing
pablononescobar 5 months ago
I agree. Whilst living in Spain I heard some beautiful chanting from Madrid Cathedrals, to Seville Chapels, to the Monastery in Monserrat... no matter how one sings, or in what language, if it is done with piety and belief it will sounds beautiful to God.
barriosalamanca 1 year ago 2
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MissAliceFox 2 years ago
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valentinyakovlevhd 2 years ago 3
I belong to this Church under Metropolitan Leonty (but in Australia).
I have been to MP churches in Russia (and elsewhere) and I must say whilst the 'opera' style is an aamzing sound - to me it is beautiful 'artistically' - the old-style chanting to me is inseparable from piety because it is only used for church.
Thanks for the post!
barriosalamanca 3 years ago 8
How are people taking the split with the Moscow metopoly under Met. Cornilius?
bezmolvie 3 years ago
To be honest with you - I think that more than 80% of people don't realise that as of May the communion between the BK & MC Eparchies ceased. We're so far away that the 'Russian' church has always been a distant cousin. I'd like to speak with my priest and see his views on the matter. We just trod along doing our thing! :) It is a shame though - I personally would like to see all Old Rite (BK, MC & NZK)churches unite. It seems a shame but the term 'raskolniki' still truly applies I guess.
barriosalamanca 3 years ago
I prefer old style chanting - it's spiritual. It's difficult to pray when I hear modern opera chants, it annoys a little bit. In my choir I don't use modern chants.
StSavvaMonastery 3 years ago 5
I'm joining your Church!
bezmolvie 3 years ago
The other sounds more like how they sung the Church I went to. If you notice the hymn in the baptism video, that is old Hispanic chant. Orthodox Chant sounds best when it is pious, and song with humility. I have heard piety in harmonies, but very often it becomes much like reading music-sheets and sounding like a choir, and not "praying".
joesuaiden 3 years ago
Well singing, is no different from calendar issues and such. Choral singing (not necessary monodic) goes against what the Church fathers wrote and wanted from Church music. Mozarabic, Ambrosian, and Gallic chants really are great. Unforetunately I've only heard them performed by Ensemble Organum.
bezmolvie 3 years ago
In our Synod, we use many of those chants. My experience with Old Russian Chant helped my ear a lot in terms of hearing the actual melody of the Spanish chant.
In the end, real Church chant of East or West is not all that different, if the heart is in the right place.
joesuaiden 3 years ago
We used mostly the old chant in the Church I went to (not-MP) when I lived in St Petersburg. It is far better than the opera chanting. Are these people part of your Church?
joesuaiden 3 years ago
No, these people are under the Orthodox Old-rite Church of Belaya Krinitsa hierarchy under Metropolotian Leontius. Our people sing like in the other video "Elevation of the Cross".
bezmolvie 3 years ago