What is this crap about atheist morals being "as good as" christian morals. Since an atheist admits that morality comes from within, an intrinsic aspect of human nature, doesn't that make them superior. Crhistians maintain that humans are intrinsically corrupt and need god to give them morals.
I think that makes atheist morality better, than the theists who need a "moral transplant" from their deity.
I disagree with the misogyny of the person who made the original video complaint. Maybe they should go and be with all of the other religious misogynists.
Fuck you. Take your repent or perish message and stuff it up your rearend. Quit butting in where you are not wanted. We don't give a damn about your message. We have already heard it a thousand times.
wow, you are really something. you can take ANY criticism, can you? not even from another atheist. ANYONE who disagrees with you is wrong, and you are always right. real rational. no wonder even many atheists don't take you seriously. as for the hypocrisy, you are NOT one to talk.
It's to show that it's begging the question to assume that there's anything wrong with bible defacement.
The only reason why it would be wrong is if the bible were somehow more important than Mary had a little lamb. That's only true if you believe in the bible in the first place.
Alright, thank you. I wouldn't be offended if someone defaced a book that I liked. If people have a problem with that video, then they shouldn't watch it again. I don't waste my time watching videos that I don't like.
I was generalizing. Some christians do read the "the God Delusion." Although, they do not agree with everything he says, they do say that he is smart and a good speaker. However, over 50% of the time, Christians will not read an atheistic book. This makes me angry.
I nagree that people need to be accountable for their actions. It is wrong to judge all atheists because of the actions of one atheist. It is also wrong to label all christians in the same category. I say that he does a video explaining why he did that. Maybe apologize if he did wrong, he must see that for himself.
David Mills did not kill or physically harm anyone. No offense, but that was a poor comparison. People say that Dawkins is as bad as the religious fundamentalists and is closed minded. They say that only because he speaks words and has a different opinion. That was Mills's bible and he can do whatever he wants to with it. It is freedom of speech. Christians are not going to read his or Richard Dawkins book with an opened mind anyway.
I would not saying that it was, but you cannot judge a person by one video. According to the christians, atheists are going to hell regardless of what we do. Bill Gates is an atheist who has given billions of dollars to charity. Christians will say that he is going to hell because he does not accept Jesus. Christians are too brainwashed to talk to anyway, a lot of them are beyond convincing that we are good people. Good atheists go to hell anyway. Of course, we should still do good.
Mills was attacking a system, not anyone on a personal level. People should have read his book before making a judgement about the video. What he did is small compared to the things that Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and the Westboro Baptist church say or do.
I believe that Mills did it to get a reaction out of christians and that he does not have the fear that christians have.. It probably would have helped more if he explained why he was doing that. I do not see the difference between me telling a christian that his or her beliefs and holy book are full of shit than what he did.
I do believe that the bible, as well as the quaran, are 100% bullshit. A man picking nup dog feces with a bible is no different from what I express with my mouth or believe in my mind.
I'm happy to see someone pointing out the lack of reason in both the theistic and the weak/false atheistic arguments. This video put a spring in my step and a song in my heart. Keep it up!
I find it interesting that, in KillTrend's video, he talks about Atheists being "just as good as Christians." Why treat Christians as if they are somehow the benchmark for goodness? History has shown otherwise.
I'd write 20 paragraphs proving how irrational your "Rational Response Squad" is.. But I've learned it's pointless trying to be rational with irrational people that think they're rational. Try saying that 10 times fast. ;)
You said "Christian dominated world". BULL FREAKING SHIT! The majority of the world is NOT Christian NOR dominated by Christians.
THE WORLD IS NOT FUCKING DOMINATED BY THE USA YOU IGNORANT FUCKING AMERICAN SCUM!!
Just because you have nukes aimed at every country in the world doesn't mean you own us. So stop fucking thinking you're better than every other country because you're the most violent and hateful country. American terrorist filth.
BlackKingX, you needn't shout your ignorance with caps. First of all, what evidence have you that I am American? Secondly, I never claimed that the world is owned by the USA. The word I used was "dominated," and it applies, currently. Finally, I never claimed that the USA was better than any other country. In fact, I agree that the USA is tremendously violent and hateful. Furthermore, the USA imprisons a larger percentage of its population than any other nation.
If David Mills is gonna pick up shit with the bible in this public forum, then it shows he is not very wise. I may be atheist but that don't mean I wish to dispense with wisdom. This video by this stranger seems to have affected Rational Response alot. Its revealing. Take a break buddy
Why would that bother me? I consider myself a patriot, and as such, I would never even think to stomp on those who burn the flag or Constitution. That I uphold our Constitutions prohibits such hypocisy.
You have faith that no one peed in your drink when you order at restaurants. Be warned, if you don't quickly convert to Christianity God will pee in your drink.
I've got a question... why offend? Why offend an opposing view? And please... shock us YT viewers by NOT answering this question w/ a question. That only shows a lack of an answer in an attempt to divert the attention towards something equally/more bad done by the party you oppose (which only proves that you're doing exactly what they are). Why post his vid knowing it could offend?
"David Mills pushes us forward...his book is great".
Well his book has nothing to do with the video RR posted. Maybe a promotion of that book would've been more appropriate, instead of one using pages of the bible to pick up dog feces. When choosing which one to post... one would think you chose to shock and offend...rather than promote rational thinking.
The religious text still stands as decent and moral, whereas those who suggest they are christian i.e George W Bush and dont live like a proper christian.. cant be used as a example of how christians should behave.
The principles in the scriptural text are moral. A history book could be tagged as "unfit for children" as well. As far as origins both sides cannot prove their explanations, empirical evidence eludes us.
Nonsense VG. From the punishment of slaves, to when one is to stone children, the bible commands savage cruelty. So the statement "The religious text still stands as decent and moral" is patently false. You modern christians may choose to ignore some of the most nasty parts, but the text stands on it's own and it is, to a large extent, savage. To suggest, as dieneddie did, that this is just due to "bad christians" is disingenuous - it's due to the bible (god's word) itself!
Well I don't know if this helps but many theologians make distinction between moral, civil, and ceremonial laws. They define moral laws as those that deal with timeless truths regarding God's intention for human ethical behavior. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is a good example of a moral law. Civil laws are those that deal with Israel's legal system, including the issues of land, economics, and criminal justice. Ceremonial laws deal with sacrifices, festivals, and priestly activities.
You are right, it does not help. That sounds like justification for picking and choosing which parts of the bible are god's word and which aren't really. Even if we accept that the bible is a moral salad bar, what criteria does one use to distinguish god's word from the other two? Where is the primer? Why has god communicated Leviticus to us if we are not to follow it? Is it just for background info?
Isn't it a more likely explanation that the bible is not the word of any deity at all?
Your standard for truth/evidence is only measured by the works of man; like science or philosophy. Well, science changes on a dayly basis and philosophy is purely subjective, so I don't know how a person like you can be certain of basically anything.
My standard for evidence of the judeo-christian-islamic god is the exact same as yours is for Ra or Ixtab or Athena. What would you consider to be evidence for the existence of those gods?
An appearance perhaps? Well that would work for me too.
How about a verified, documented sighting by hundreds of non-believers? That might work for me too.
Don't make it seem that the issue is with me, the issue is your inability to bring forth evidence.
Those fake gods never sent any messengers, prophets, books, or anything of the sort. Plus, if you study the nature of those gods you would know that it wouldn't make sense if they existed. A person can logically deduce what the one real god is like: free from limitation and all other human traits. (Let me know if I should elaborate)
No need to elaborate, but there is still a need for you to present evidence. Why, oh why, won't you present evidence for the existence of the judeo-christian-islamic god? There can only be one answer.
Well, on the subject of physically seeing Allah, Moses (pbuh) asked God to show himself to him, but Allah would not out of concern for Moses's physical health. So, instead, Allah told Moses to look at a nearby mountain where he would shine his reflection on it. So he did, and the mountain exploded, and Moses passed out anyway.
Us humans (under the given natural circumstances), are not capable of percieving Allah. It wouldn't make sense if people could see God. That would be way too easy, and the whold point of life on earth would be destroyed. This is the scenerio we must endure.
"Us humans... are not capable of percieving Allah. It wouldn't make sense if people could see God."
How convenient for Allah. 2 points:
1. Isn't a much more likely explanation for the vacuum of evidence that your god is false? That seems more plausible and fits the observation of vacuum of evidence.
2. If you can't perceive your god then how do you know he is real? How do you distinguish Allah from other false gods such as Ixtab or Ra if they all share a vacuum of evidence?
If I am going to lose faith on Leviticus trying to understand ceremonial laws and such than I must be weak-minded. This Christian God seems so ruthless; human-kind has done so much better when it comes to civility (Hitler, Stalin, Sadaam, Mao,). I guess it comes to a choice you either worship the God of Old and New Testament or man.
you say that david mills didnt set you back by saying that in the past he pushed you forward. its the kind of argument that you mock christians for. it just doesnt make sense
abdullah: First of all, we can easily get a sense of what this "god" is like, physically and otherwise, by reading the bible, and/or listening to one of the 2 billion crackpot theists on this planet, like yourself. Each theist seems to have his/her own self-deluded version of what their god is like. And we atheists don't believe in <b>ANY</b> god(s), hence the definition: "One who <b>disbelieves</b> or denies the existence of a God or gods."
Excuse me, SIR, but I don't think I like your ATTITUDE. I don't know what religions you are referring to, but those who believe in Allah all agree upon his nature. I know the bible has a distorted, weird and insane vision of God, and that is why so many of you atheists are former Christians.
Allah is infinity, imagine anything and he is greater than that, and there are 99 attributes of him that we know of in the Qur'an. (example: most gracious, most merciful) hope that helps, take care
Abdul brings up an interesting point. Even christians and muslims are atheists of sorts in that there are gods they do not believe in. Presumably Abdul is a Thor-atheist, for example, and likely he is a denier of Ixtab too. So how are those gods different than his? Is there less evidence for the existence of those gods than Allah? How can one have less than nothing? Or is he just respecting his ancestors by believing in their god? Abdul is 99.9% atheist. He is almost right.
So what if David Mills is offending the devout? They live to be offended; many of them define themselves as a group by what they are offended by (ever heard of the Catholic League or Westboro Baptist?)He may be inspiring more of the fence-sitters and the kids who are questioning their parents' religion in silence to embrace reason.
Does killtrend or anyone else remember what it's like to be a devout Christian? I was raised in an ultra-Catholic home and back then, I may have found this video offensive, but yet very titillating, to see a normal man, an author, who resembles my grade school gym teacher deface a Bible without any fear whatsoever. I remember people like this and I admired their chutzpah when I was a child, fearful of vengeful Yahweh for even daring to question the faith.
Its funny someone can talk about thier beliefs and people will go about there lives. Its always things that are most shocking, to get people to listen. I though the vid in question was hillarious. To believe that ones tenets are challenged by how someone uses the representation of such only shows you question your own belief. Its the contridictions of religion and society that cause people to present themselves falsly. To be yourself reqires more effort than most people are willing to give.
No, because God has neurologically wired us to know him, and that source of conscience and empathy is from a God that an atheist wouldn't even believe in. Irony..
Internet debates are pretty much useless. Most people anxious for debates won't change their mind--EVER. Especially when its not in person. I just believe in the intelligent designer, and the fact that atheists even exist is a sign (for me) of God's mercy for not striking them down. 'If you exist, God, just strike me DOwn NOW with Lightning!!', but he doesn't out of mercy.
You are delusional like the rest of the theists, and your comment is entirely idiotic! "god" is merciful? LOL! What about the 300,000+ people who just died in that tsunami? Oh I see, he has mercy on a few atheists, but he'll strike down 300 thousand people for doing absolutely nothing. You're a <b>moron</b>.
It's what your god is, an imaginary sky man. Unless you can factually prove differently, it is only delusional to believe in your sky daddy without evidence.
Well, to play off on the computer monitor, or any other object, the material used to make stuff must have come from some kind of creative force, right? I know... its mind-boggling, but in Islam we admit the human brain will never comprehend such a force unconfined to time. Interesting, eh?
Alright, please present evidence of this "creative force unconfined to time" which creates things.
I think you might be confused about the concept of evidence. I keep asking you for evidence and you keep rephrasing creation faith. Please present <b>evidence</b>.
Without evidence how are false gods to be distinguished from real gods? Your inability to present evidence should be very troubling to you - your god looks like it might be a false one.
How is that evidence? How can a statement, "The qu'ran is Allah's very own words" be evidence for the existence of a god?!?
This is why people often refer to christians and muslims, like you, as brainwashed. Because it seems to be the only explanation for your obtuseness when discussing evidence. You are probably not stupid, but when it comes to your god you just can't bring yourself to have a rational discussion and admit you have no evidence for your god.
Did you really expect me to outline all the reasons why the Qur'an is Allah's (swt) words? Give me a break. I can't convince you of a single thing, Allah only guides those who earn his guidence. Personally, I think it is people like you that are brainwashed because you will never see anything past your own two eyes.
How can you present this statement "The qur'an is Allah's very own words" as evidence for the existence of Allah? If you have not yet brought any evidence for Allah's existence then the statement "The qur'an is Allah's very own words" holds no weight! Are you really that obtuse/stupid?!
If there really is a judeo-christian-islamic god, then he must be really pissed at you right now for not being able to do better than that.
That's the same reasoning the Norsemen gave for the existence of Thor. "We hear thunder, therefore there must be a god creating it." You are using the same obviously flawed reasoning applied on a much grander scale (with proportionally more savage results I might add - but that is for another time). Do you not see the flaw in your reasoning?
Your pseudo-logic is a poor substitute for evidence.
I agree with the Norsemen, lightning is a sign of God. Anyway, the difference between the Qur'an and a bolt of lightning is intelligence and miraculousness.
2. The fact that we are physically incapable of perceiving Allah (of course we could, but wouldn't survive the shock) is actually a sign that he is the ONE, real absolute and actual god of everything. I mean, imagine if there were "god sightings". Hah, that would be creepy and pointless. What would be a great step for an atheist would be to start giving credit to that which created all their blessings.
Funny how religious people can rationalize everything. And they don't even bother to make up an intelligent rationalization. And every rationalization gets them deeper into making up stories to cover all the errors in the fable. It's like up lies to cover other lies (although in this case not with a bad intent, at least for the "common" believer).
It would at least contain things, you can prove. It would be consistent and not full of contradictions, that have to be covered by other contradictions. It would not a single time mention the word punishment, hate and murder. Everybody could learn it alone and would come to the same conclusions without someone telling how it should be "understood".
Simple: The best religion would be a religion without faith. But that's a contradiction. Ergo there can't be a perfect religion.
You make an excellent point: There can't be a perfect religion. But there can be a perfect way of life, right?
You would like Islam because its messege is simple (one God), and this is what people can decifer without persuasion. Islam doesn't require anyone reach higher levels of understanding because Allah says he judges according to each person's level. But, if you are smart, it is encouraged to keep gaining knowledge.
The Islamic scholars and priests are just there for those who wish to increase in their knowledge and understanding. Also, they are necessary to preserve the messege to begin with. You can go to them about specific cases because of their judgement.
Islam is beautiful in that even the simple-minded bedoin is capable of being a perfectly good submitter to God. But for those who are mentally capable and would like to earn more reward, they would rely on the scholars.
Thats an invented lie. All secular historians agree that the Qur'an is the greatest text ever written and is perfectly accurate. I would give it a shot if I were you.
Tell me, how was man created? In the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, who created - created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood. -- Sura 96:1-2 It is he who has created man from water -- Sura 25:54 And God has created every living creature from water. -- Sura 24:45 We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape. -- Sura 15:26 Amongst his signs is this, that he created you from dust. -- Sura 30:20
lol, ABSOLUTELY no contradiction. I can tell you're not familiar with the qur'an. It just means man was created from all of the above. These verses are actually scientific mircacles. Humans are made up of nothing but water and earth.
Rubbish. How can you possibly claim that? What about the clot of blood? Your perfect book is so imperfect that it requires closed reasoning to validate it's contents.
"How can you possibly claim that"? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the claim is wrong? Children can understand this, why can't you. Research human embryology about the clot of blood. The word in Arabic, 'Alaqa' has three definitions, leech, suspended/hanging thing, or clot. Amazing, all three fit..
"love" would also fit. But it makes alot more sense that the Qur'an would be referring to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during the first 3 weeks, blood that does not circulate making it as a clot of blood.
Connerjd, I must disagree with your statement "I consider the government as a source to help my community and protect it." Not only is government currently a threat to liberty in general (in the USA, in particular), but it has increasingly bowed its head to the nutcase Religious Right. My goodness, how much more drug war, stem cell research blocking, and anti-homosexuality can we bear?
Ya know what I think is really ironic. Alot of the atheists here are subscribed to CaptainOAwsome. The Capn has burned the bible pissed on effigies of mohammed, wiped his butt with the Koran, put up posters proclaiming jesus a pedophile. Has made a video in which jesus rapes him, mohammed gives him head, etc.
Yet, some dude scoops up a little dog poo with the bible and it's "OMFGWTF!!! Bastards, I'm gonna unsubscribe!!!"
Ed makes the same mistake ALL theists do - taking a book as something MORE than a book. Why do you do that? I don't take anything Hunter Thompson or Erich Remarque wrote as more than literature. If you wipe up poo with that, why would I take offence? But somehow, CERTAIN books are "sacred". BullSHIT.
Ok. Question: An Iraqi wiped his ass with our Consitution. How does that make you feel? Let me guess. Its fine with you? Vauge comparision, but not that vague.
Hey, that's the point. I'm sure Iraqis got a lot of reason to hate us right now. If he thinks our constitution is shit, and he wants to do that to make a statement, it's his right.
And yes, I would be offended, but I still support the Iraqi in expressing his opinion. Even if his mode of expression is shocking.
The dog-crap video is childish and stupid. If you want people to respect you and your opinions don't act like a clown. Right or wrong IMAGE DOES MATTER.
I feel better in the sense that I got to clearly and fully express my opinion, which is always nice. My opinion on the matter hasn't changed though. It would be nice if you took the vid down, I would find it hard to backdown myself though in the face of KTs "demands".
The idea that something is or is not childish is a subjective opinion. It's hard to logically defend as if it were a fact. I think it would be obvious to anyone why someone else might look at that as childish and won't attempt to break down the reasoning here. If you are genuinely confused though, send me a message and I'll write you a nice essay on the subject. To your second question - no, not really.
I think a better use for a bible is to redistribute it along with an index to all the indefensibly evil and contradictory verses. It's hard to believe killtrend is an atheist. I think he needs to examine his motives. It seems he likes to play a victim.
I couldn't agree more on the "bad word" thing. My kids are allowed to curse if they feel like it. I teach them that all words are good because they allow us to express our selves and effectively communicate with others. Just because they know them and are allowed to say them doesn't mean that they run around saying them all of the time...
Picking up dog shit with the bible is offensive ? the book itself is offensive what about all the shit that has been dumped on humanity by adherence to this book, christianity has been offended ? well christianity offends me
So let me get this straight: You are not okay with being called a commie, not being able to hold office in certain places and told you worship Satan, but you are completely okay with doing something equivalent back to them? Nobody is saying you can't do it. It is merely saying that it is a counter-productive act that won't be supported.
Then laugh away. I think Christians would laugh too if you're picking dog shit with "The purpose-driven life," but if you pick dog shit with what they believe is holy, that is a different story. Try using a relevant example instead of a strawman next time.
Seriously Sapient: When you believed the bible was the word of god, how would you have reacted to this? With laughter? With embrace? You would have thought "gee, i should question the bible because atheists made a good point and they are rational loving people"? If you're honest and rational, you'll say NO.
I can't honestly answer that. I was a theist only as a child. I was always questioning it, I suppose I most likely would've been merely intrigued. Playing devils advocate with myself however I accept the possibility that I wouldn't have assumed something more sinister about the video maker. I wouldn't have been dumb enough to assume something about ALL atheists, that I can be reasonably certain of.
Brian: You have control of the most viewed Atheist outlet on the web most likely. Massive media coverage has spawned from your antics with the challenge. When they see that account posting things like Dave did, its not just one Atheist. Its a good number. And if no one speaks up, than all atheists are in agreement. Which leads to counter-productivity of your cause.
For that reason I'm glad you spoke up. It should be clear to all, the Rational Response Squad speaks for 5 people OUR HOSTS, and whoever else chooses to align themselves with us.
You attack this guy and random facts instead of really attacking the argument. What you and mills did was counterproductive and distasteful. I'm an Atheist too, but people like you make me sick.
That is exactly what I'm doing. I'm unsubscribing. If you really put yourself in the shoes of Christiand and realize this is nothing more than attempt to insult, you're an idiot. Seriously, what did you accomplish with this video Sapient? You think someone who may want to question their religion and comes here for advice will want to do that after seeing something like that? Think!
You're basically getting to the point where you're saying: They do us bad. Therefore, we should be allowed do them bad. Where does the cease fire begin? Who is going to be the adult and not continue the downward spiral? I was hoping it were you.
Absolutely none :) You are the one with the fanbase. And you, are the one that took 25 minutes to record a response. So 40 emails from random christians, or one 25 minute response. In which you lost a few subscribers and a handful of respect. I didnt have anything to lose.
Even what you didn't have to lose you lost, one the other side of the issue I've been subscribed to RR, but have generally found their content quite mamby pamby in contrast with people like TheAmazingAtheist or CapnOAwesome, it was refreshing to finally see content they might put out on this channel, they gained my respect by posting that video.
Your comments on this video are totally irrational, I find it hard to believe you're the same person who made the "Are Christians being persecuted?" video, I like you, I believe, opposed to BK's bible burning challenge, not because it was a bible, but because of the symbolism of burning books, the book itself, and the horrific beliefs it spawns deserve no respect, as a result of your comments I will be unsubscribing, I can't be bothered with weak kneed sunshine atheists, my time is to valuable.
The whole problem here is that you don't realize there is a difference between capnoawesome who makes videos for atheists and entertainment while rational response is supposed to do a service to turn people from irrationality. What does the Mills video accomplish? Nothing. I'm glad you unsubscribe. People like you are scum.
Well, I appreciate you showing your hypocrisy, I disagree with you, and in response I'm called scum, so much for showing respect to people with different opinions. lol
Oh and by the way, rational response is supposed to be what rational response makes it, it isn't what you want it to be, and if you think any Christian who might be offended by the crap video is going to be converted through reason and a rational argument you're as deluded as they are.
Sure, rational response can be whatever they want. I don't know where you get that I'm trying to censor them. I simply disagree with them as "intellectuals" in general and what they do, so I will stay away from them. I never asked anyone else to unsubscribe or even announced I would until Sapient suggested it.
So you dismiss someones intellectual prowess as a result of us posting a video of a friend having some fun with shit and more shit. POOR CRITICAL THINKER ALERT.
irrational retarded squad FTL
Dopeium 1 year ago
What is this crap about atheist morals being "as good as" christian morals. Since an atheist admits that morality comes from within, an intrinsic aspect of human nature, doesn't that make them superior. Crhistians maintain that humans are intrinsically corrupt and need god to give them morals.
I think that makes atheist morality better, than the theists who need a "moral transplant" from their deity.
MisterEvil1 3 years ago
I disagree with the misogyny of the person who made the original video complaint. Maybe they should go and be with all of the other religious misogynists.
psychoticanimosity 4 years ago
Fuck you. Take your repent or perish message and stuff it up your rearend. Quit butting in where you are not wanted. We don't give a damn about your message. We have already heard it a thousand times.
connerjd 4 years ago
"You have no idea of how he raises his kids"
The youtube community had a small taster (and insufficient to make any claims about it of course, and assuming it is his kid)
3zaqxsw3 4 years ago 2
Txt: "I'm an atheist. I'm standing up for the bible. Why?"
Voice: "'Cause you're silly, I guess?"
How about "Let's find out"?
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Saying Bush is a christian and talk about his lies reminds me of "Atheists are bad because Stalin was one."
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"Seeing faeces being picked up by pieces of the bible (...) (partly because) David Mills wants christians to be able to abandon their delusion"
Personally, I think it will enforce their beliefs, and enhance the fundamentalists (or even promote it).
3zaqxsw3 4 years ago 2
great vid, that moron doesnt know how to make a good argument... or spell
wildcard252 4 years ago
I wouldn't exactly use George Bush as an example of a Christian leader...Just because he says it doesn't exactly mean he understands it.
UgoStrange 4 years ago
G.W. Bush doesn't seem to undestand much of anything. He!He!
connerjd 4 years ago 3
"not atheist enough?" who are YOU to decide who is and who isn't "atheist enough?" do you realize who you sound like????
friendlyagnostic 4 years ago
wow, you are really something. you can take ANY criticism, can you? not even from another atheist. ANYONE who disagrees with you is wrong, and you are always right. real rational. no wonder even many atheists don't take you seriously. as for the hypocrisy, you are NOT one to talk.
crystalstar17 4 years ago
What was the purpose of the Mary had a little lamb statement?
connerjd 4 years ago
connerjd.
It's to show that it's begging the question to assume that there's anything wrong with bible defacement.
The only reason why it would be wrong is if the bible were somehow more important than Mary had a little lamb. That's only true if you believe in the bible in the first place.
robakerson 4 years ago
Alright, thank you. I wouldn't be offended if someone defaced a book that I liked. If people have a problem with that video, then they shouldn't watch it again. I don't waste my time watching videos that I don't like.
connerjd 4 years ago
I was generalizing. Some christians do read the "the God Delusion." Although, they do not agree with everything he says, they do say that he is smart and a good speaker. However, over 50% of the time, Christians will not read an atheistic book. This makes me angry.
connerjd 4 years ago
I nagree that people need to be accountable for their actions. It is wrong to judge all atheists because of the actions of one atheist. It is also wrong to label all christians in the same category. I say that he does a video explaining why he did that. Maybe apologize if he did wrong, he must see that for himself.
connerjd 4 years ago
David Mills did not kill or physically harm anyone. No offense, but that was a poor comparison. People say that Dawkins is as bad as the religious fundamentalists and is closed minded. They say that only because he speaks words and has a different opinion. That was Mills's bible and he can do whatever he wants to with it. It is freedom of speech. Christians are not going to read his or Richard Dawkins book with an opened mind anyway.
connerjd 4 years ago
I would not saying that it was, but you cannot judge a person by one video. According to the christians, atheists are going to hell regardless of what we do. Bill Gates is an atheist who has given billions of dollars to charity. Christians will say that he is going to hell because he does not accept Jesus. Christians are too brainwashed to talk to anyway, a lot of them are beyond convincing that we are good people. Good atheists go to hell anyway. Of course, we should still do good.
connerjd 4 years ago
Mills was attacking a system, not anyone on a personal level. People should have read his book before making a judgement about the video. What he did is small compared to the things that Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and the Westboro Baptist church say or do.
connerjd 4 years ago
I believe that Mills did it to get a reaction out of christians and that he does not have the fear that christians have.. It probably would have helped more if he explained why he was doing that. I do not see the difference between me telling a christian that his or her beliefs and holy book are full of shit than what he did.
connerjd 4 years ago
I do believe that the bible, as well as the quaran, are 100% bullshit. A man picking nup dog feces with a bible is no different from what I express with my mouth or believe in my mind.
connerjd 4 years ago
excellent. and - did anyone tell you that you have sexy lips? - yes, i was just flirting : )
naomi94 4 years ago
I'm happy to see someone pointing out the lack of reason in both the theistic and the weak/false atheistic arguments. This video put a spring in my step and a song in my heart. Keep it up!
madeleinekay 4 years ago
I find it interesting that, in KillTrend's video, he talks about Atheists being "just as good as Christians." Why treat Christians as if they are somehow the benchmark for goodness? History has shown otherwise.
Malachias 5 years ago
The word is indeed pwned.
Eyedunno 5 years ago
I'd write 20 paragraphs proving how irrational your "Rational Response Squad" is.. But I've learned it's pointless trying to be rational with irrational people that think they're rational. Try saying that 10 times fast. ;)
You said "Christian dominated world". BULL FREAKING SHIT! The majority of the world is NOT Christian NOR dominated by Christians.
BlackKingX 5 years ago
Why not write them? Someone might be convinced; and you could always consider a writing exercise.
valhar2000 5 years ago
BlackKingX, the USA is dominated by Christians. The world is currently dominated by the USA. It is that simple.
Malachias 5 years ago
THE WORLD IS NOT FUCKING DOMINATED BY THE USA YOU IGNORANT FUCKING AMERICAN SCUM!!
Just because you have nukes aimed at every country in the world doesn't mean you own us. So stop fucking thinking you're better than every other country because you're the most violent and hateful country. American terrorist filth.
BlackKingX 5 years ago
BlackKingX, you needn't shout your ignorance with caps. First of all, what evidence have you that I am American? Secondly, I never claimed that the world is owned by the USA. The word I used was "dominated," and it applies, currently. Finally, I never claimed that the USA was better than any other country. In fact, I agree that the USA is tremendously violent and hateful. Furthermore, the USA imprisons a larger percentage of its population than any other nation.
Malachias 5 years ago
"First of all, what evidence have you that I am American?"
Your profile states you live in the United States.
BlackKingX 5 years ago
BlackKingX, fair enough. Of course, you seem pretty reluctant to comment on anything else I said.
Malachias 5 years ago
No. I'm just giving you the same response Zealot Atheists give. ;)
BlackKingX 5 years ago
No, you are just being a fool, unwilling to do anything substantially more than yell in caps.
Malachias 5 years ago
"Dog shit taco" is a funny phrase.
RPup0123 5 years ago
Yea it is. It paints a rather funny picture.
gophercureself 5 years ago
Lightning isn't miraculousness, it is an electrical discharge. ?¿?
TR966 5 years ago
If David Mills is gonna pick up shit with the bible in this public forum, then it shows he is not very wise. I may be atheist but that don't mean I wish to dispense with wisdom. This video by this stranger seems to have affected Rational Response alot. Its revealing. Take a break buddy
cjunk351 5 years ago
I love the "all men are created equal" part. :)
ELECTRAfied26 5 years ago
killtrend has been pwned.
MattShizzle 5 years ago
Why would that bother me? I consider myself a patriot, and as such, I would never even think to stomp on those who burn the flag or Constitution. That I uphold our Constitutions prohibits such hypocisy.
YellowNumberFive 5 years ago
You have faith that no one peed in your drink when you order at restaurants. Be warned, if you don't quickly convert to Christianity God will pee in your drink.
xenthric 5 years ago
I've got a question... why offend? Why offend an opposing view? And please... shock us YT viewers by NOT answering this question w/ a question. That only shows a lack of an answer in an attempt to divert the attention towards something equally/more bad done by the party you oppose (which only proves that you're doing exactly what they are). Why post his vid knowing it could offend?
NeutralMarty 5 years ago
wow @ Justifying David Mills.
"David Mills pushes us forward...his book is great".
Well his book has nothing to do with the video RR posted. Maybe a promotion of that book would've been more appropriate, instead of one using pages of the bible to pick up dog feces. When choosing which one to post... one would think you chose to shock and offend...rather than promote rational thinking.
Nice job
NeutralMarty 5 years ago
BAD christians do not make a bad religion.
The religious text still stands as decent and moral, whereas those who suggest they are christian i.e George W Bush and dont live like a proper christian.. cant be used as a example of how christians should behave.
Dont blame the religion
Blame the person
are all Christians upstanding and perfect - no
dieneddie 5 years ago
> The religious text still stands as decent and moral
What are you talking about?!?! Have you even read the bible?! Don't make me quote scripture. We'll have to flag the thread as unfit for children.
frid9999 5 years ago
The principles in the scriptural text are moral. A history book could be tagged as "unfit for children" as well. As far as origins both sides cannot prove their explanations, empirical evidence eludes us.
vandergoose 5 years ago
Nonsense VG. From the punishment of slaves, to when one is to stone children, the bible commands savage cruelty. So the statement "The religious text still stands as decent and moral" is patently false. You modern christians may choose to ignore some of the most nasty parts, but the text stands on it's own and it is, to a large extent, savage. To suggest, as dieneddie did, that this is just due to "bad christians" is disingenuous - it's due to the bible (god's word) itself!
frid9999 5 years ago
Well I don't know if this helps but many theologians make distinction between moral, civil, and ceremonial laws. They define moral laws as those that deal with timeless truths regarding God's intention for human ethical behavior. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is a good example of a moral law. Civil laws are those that deal with Israel's legal system, including the issues of land, economics, and criminal justice. Ceremonial laws deal with sacrifices, festivals, and priestly activities.
vandergoose 5 years ago
You are right, it does not help. That sounds like justification for picking and choosing which parts of the bible are god's word and which aren't really. Even if we accept that the bible is a moral salad bar, what criteria does one use to distinguish god's word from the other two? Where is the primer? Why has god communicated Leviticus to us if we are not to follow it? Is it just for background info?
Isn't it a more likely explanation that the bible is not the word of any deity at all?
frid9999 5 years ago
Your standard for truth/evidence is only measured by the works of man; like science or philosophy. Well, science changes on a dayly basis and philosophy is purely subjective, so I don't know how a person like you can be certain of basically anything.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
My standard for evidence of the judeo-christian-islamic god is the exact same as yours is for Ra or Ixtab or Athena. What would you consider to be evidence for the existence of those gods?
An appearance perhaps? Well that would work for me too.
How about a verified, documented sighting by hundreds of non-believers? That might work for me too.
Don't make it seem that the issue is with me, the issue is your inability to bring forth evidence.
frid9999 5 years ago
Those fake gods never sent any messengers, prophets, books, or anything of the sort. Plus, if you study the nature of those gods you would know that it wouldn't make sense if they existed. A person can logically deduce what the one real god is like: free from limitation and all other human traits. (Let me know if I should elaborate)
abdullahzs 5 years ago
No need to elaborate, but there is still a need for you to present evidence. Why, oh why, won't you present evidence for the existence of the judeo-christian-islamic god? There can only be one answer.
frid9999 5 years ago
Well, on the subject of physically seeing Allah, Moses (pbuh) asked God to show himself to him, but Allah would not out of concern for Moses's physical health. So, instead, Allah told Moses to look at a nearby mountain where he would shine his reflection on it. So he did, and the mountain exploded, and Moses passed out anyway.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Us humans (under the given natural circumstances), are not capable of percieving Allah. It wouldn't make sense if people could see God. That would be way too easy, and the whold point of life on earth would be destroyed. This is the scenerio we must endure.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
"Us humans... are not capable of percieving Allah. It wouldn't make sense if people could see God."
How convenient for Allah. 2 points:
1. Isn't a much more likely explanation for the vacuum of evidence that your god is false? That seems more plausible and fits the observation of vacuum of evidence.
2. If you can't perceive your god then how do you know he is real? How do you distinguish Allah from other false gods such as Ixtab or Ra if they all share a vacuum of evidence?
frid9999 5 years ago
1. I'm not sure what you mean by vacuum of evidence, you'll have to help me with the terminology.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Which word don't you understand, "vacuum" or "evidence"?
frid9999 5 years ago
If I am going to lose faith on Leviticus trying to understand ceremonial laws and such than I must be weak-minded. This Christian God seems so ruthless; human-kind has done so much better when it comes to civility (Hitler, Stalin, Sadaam, Mao,). I guess it comes to a choice you either worship the God of Old and New Testament or man.
vandergoose 5 years ago
Onelessgod, Your video not only stunk it wasn't even directed to us. It was an attack on a sweetheart of a girl.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
you say that david mills didnt set you back by saying that in the past he pushed you forward. its the kind of argument that you mock christians for. it just doesnt make sense
ryanwtyler 5 years ago
Oops! one very crucial thing I forgot to ask. What god do you guys not believe in? I might not believe in that god either, you see?
abdullahzs 5 years ago
We don't believe in any god. That's why we call ourselves a-theist. i.e. without a belief in a god.
psyjax 5 years ago
well, how would you describe this god or gods that you do not believe in?
abdullahzs 5 years ago
I sent you a youtube mail as my response was too long.
psyjax 5 years ago
abdullah: First of all, we can easily get a sense of what this "god" is like, physically and otherwise, by reading the bible, and/or listening to one of the 2 billion crackpot theists on this planet, like yourself. Each theist seems to have his/her own self-deluded version of what their god is like. And we atheists don't believe in <b>ANY</b> god(s), hence the definition: "One who <b>disbelieves</b> or denies the existence of a God or gods."
siciliano29 5 years ago
Excuse me, SIR, but I don't think I like your ATTITUDE. I don't know what religions you are referring to, but those who believe in Allah all agree upon his nature. I know the bible has a distorted, weird and insane vision of God, and that is why so many of you atheists are former Christians.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Explain exactly what god is in the muslim religion please, I want to see if my muslim friends agree with you.
majorblood3 5 years ago
Allah is infinity, imagine anything and he is greater than that, and there are 99 attributes of him that we know of in the Qur'an. (example: most gracious, most merciful) hope that helps, take care
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Abdul brings up an interesting point. Even christians and muslims are atheists of sorts in that there are gods they do not believe in. Presumably Abdul is a Thor-atheist, for example, and likely he is a denier of Ixtab too. So how are those gods different than his? Is there less evidence for the existence of those gods than Allah? How can one have less than nothing? Or is he just respecting his ancestors by believing in their god? Abdul is 99.9% atheist. He is almost right.
frid9999 5 years ago
Using pages of the bible or the koran to pick up dog shit is highly disrespectful to the dog.
frid9999 5 years ago
So what if David Mills is offending the devout? They live to be offended; many of them define themselves as a group by what they are offended by (ever heard of the Catholic League or Westboro Baptist?)He may be inspiring more of the fence-sitters and the kids who are questioning their parents' religion in silence to embrace reason.
shalozby 5 years ago
Does killtrend or anyone else remember what it's like to be a devout Christian? I was raised in an ultra-Catholic home and back then, I may have found this video offensive, but yet very titillating, to see a normal man, an author, who resembles my grade school gym teacher deface a Bible without any fear whatsoever. I remember people like this and I admired their chutzpah when I was a child, fearful of vengeful Yahweh for even daring to question the faith.
shalozby 5 years ago
Its funny someone can talk about thier beliefs and people will go about there lives. Its always things that are most shocking, to get people to listen. I though the vid in question was hillarious. To believe that ones tenets are challenged by how someone uses the representation of such only shows you question your own belief. Its the contridictions of religion and society that cause people to present themselves falsly. To be yourself reqires more effort than most people are willing to give.
schmoja 5 years ago
*claps*
healthyaddict 5 years ago
What stops an atheist from raping and killing. The government? In that case the atheist has taken his or her government as their God.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
It's called a conscience. Empathy.
Tell me, if you finally came to believe there was no god, would you rape and kill?
psyjax 5 years ago
No, because God has neurologically wired us to know him, and that source of conscience and empathy is from a God that an atheist wouldn't even believe in. Irony..
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Do you have proof that god did this?
I have proof that genetics and evolution caused this. For example, simple morality is manifested in most social animals. Email debate?
psyjax 5 years ago
haha- no thanks. I believe in Allah, and not the decrepid theory of human macroevolution.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
"decrepid". Can you prove that? Or you just wanna talk smack? Come to the RRS forums. Lets debate.
psyjax 5 years ago
Internet debates are pretty much useless. Most people anxious for debates won't change their mind--EVER. Especially when its not in person. I just believe in the intelligent designer, and the fact that atheists even exist is a sign (for me) of God's mercy for not striking them down. 'If you exist, God, just strike me DOwn NOW with Lightning!!', but he doesn't out of mercy.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
You are delusional like the rest of the theists, and your comment is entirely idiotic! "god" is merciful? LOL! What about the 300,000+ people who just died in that tsunami? Oh I see, he has mercy on a few atheists, but he'll strike down 300 thousand people for doing absolutely nothing. You're a <b>moron</b>.
siciliano29 5 years ago
Not to mention that a vast majority of those killed were Muslim.
psyjax 5 years ago
In Islam, we have the belief that a rightous person that happens to die because of water will be granted paradise... which I found interesting.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Whatever happened to atheists having "conscience" and "empathy"... calling me a moron, how dare you.
You are delusional like the rest of the atheists, and your comment is entirely idiotic! You're a cup-cake.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
abdullahz, please present evidence for the existence of the judeo-christian-islamic god.
frid9999 5 years ago
the very monitor that you gazing upon
abdullahzs 5 years ago
The computer monitor was invented by very cleaver people over a long period of time. It was not made by an imaginary sky man.
You wanna debate in a real forum?
psyjax 5 years ago
the idea of an imaginary sky man is absurd. I never referred to such an idol.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
It's what your god is, an imaginary sky man. Unless you can factually prove differently, it is only delusional to believe in your sky daddy without evidence.
majorblood3 5 years ago
Stop kidding around abdullahzs. Please present evidence for the existence of your god, or admit that you don't have any.
frid9999 5 years ago
Well, to play off on the computer monitor, or any other object, the material used to make stuff must have come from some kind of creative force, right? I know... its mind-boggling, but in Islam we admit the human brain will never comprehend such a force unconfined to time. Interesting, eh?
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Alright, please present evidence of this "creative force unconfined to time" which creates things.
I think you might be confused about the concept of evidence. I keep asking you for evidence and you keep rephrasing creation faith. Please present <b>evidence</b>.
Without evidence how are false gods to be distinguished from real gods? Your inability to present evidence should be very troubling to you - your god looks like it might be a false one.
frid9999 5 years ago
The qur'an is Allah's very own words, so thats pretty much extremely good evidence.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
How is that evidence? How can a statement, "The qu'ran is Allah's very own words" be evidence for the existence of a god?!?
This is why people often refer to christians and muslims, like you, as brainwashed. Because it seems to be the only explanation for your obtuseness when discussing evidence. You are probably not stupid, but when it comes to your god you just can't bring yourself to have a rational discussion and admit you have no evidence for your god.
Please present <b>EVIDENCE</b>.
frid9999 5 years ago
Did you really expect me to outline all the reasons why the Qur'an is Allah's (swt) words? Give me a break. I can't convince you of a single thing, Allah only guides those who earn his guidence. Personally, I think it is people like you that are brainwashed because you will never see anything past your own two eyes.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
How can you present this statement "The qur'an is Allah's very own words" as evidence for the existence of Allah? If you have not yet brought any evidence for Allah's existence then the statement "The qur'an is Allah's very own words" holds no weight! Are you really that obtuse/stupid?!
If there really is a judeo-christian-islamic god, then he must be really pissed at you right now for not being able to do better than that.
frid9999 5 years ago
I dunno, if I got a letter from someone, wouldn't that be evidence of its author?
hah- i know..
abdullahzs 5 years ago
That's the same reasoning the Norsemen gave for the existence of Thor. "We hear thunder, therefore there must be a god creating it." You are using the same obviously flawed reasoning applied on a much grander scale (with proportionally more savage results I might add - but that is for another time). Do you not see the flaw in your reasoning?
Your pseudo-logic is a poor substitute for evidence.
frid9999 5 years ago
I agree with the Norsemen, lightning is a sign of God. Anyway, the difference between the Qur'an and a bolt of lightning is intelligence and miraculousness.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
So it doesn't bother you that we have as much evidence for Allah we have for Thor?
frid9999 5 years ago
I'll say it again: the difference between the Qur'an and a bolt of lightning is intelligence and miraculousness.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
A bolt of lightning is intelligent? Miraculous maybe, at least it looks pretty, but intelligent?
Honestly, what's your point?
JuliusFirefly 5 years ago
Obviously I was referring to the holy Qur'an, not a bolt of lightning.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
2. The fact that we are physically incapable of perceiving Allah (of course we could, but wouldn't survive the shock) is actually a sign that he is the ONE, real absolute and actual god of everything. I mean, imagine if there were "god sightings". Hah, that would be creepy and pointless. What would be a great step for an atheist would be to start giving credit to that which created all their blessings.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Funny how religious people can rationalize everything. And they don't even bother to make up an intelligent rationalization. And every rationalization gets them deeper into making up stories to cover all the errors in the fable. It's like up lies to cover other lies (although in this case not with a bad intent, at least for the "common" believer).
superdau 5 years ago
ok, mr. ultimate judge, what would be your idea of the perfect religion?
abdullahzs 5 years ago
It would at least contain things, you can prove. It would be consistent and not full of contradictions, that have to be covered by other contradictions. It would not a single time mention the word punishment, hate and murder. Everybody could learn it alone and would come to the same conclusions without someone telling how it should be "understood".
Simple: The best religion would be a religion without faith. But that's a contradiction. Ergo there can't be a perfect religion.
superdau 5 years ago
You make an excellent point: There can't be a perfect religion. But there can be a perfect way of life, right?
You would like Islam because its messege is simple (one God), and this is what people can decifer without persuasion. Islam doesn't require anyone reach higher levels of understanding because Allah says he judges according to each person's level. But, if you are smart, it is encouraged to keep gaining knowledge.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
no religion.
naimad75 5 years ago
Islam and the Qur'an are absolute in consistancy.
Punishment- you'd prefer Hitler to get off scott-free?
Hate- we have a different definition of hate in qur'anic arabic, so its probably not the 'hate'you're talking about.
Murder- theres no such thing in Islam, either.
ok hope that helps
abdullahzs 5 years ago
"hope that helps"
No, doesn't in any way.
Religion hinders a perfect way of life. It makes you think only about yourself and how you can be saved.
If Islam is so easy, why are there islamic leaders? There are muslim priests, aren't there?
Punishment? What got Hitler to do with this?
A different hate? Yeah, just redefine the word if it doesn't fit.
No murders? Stoning people isn't murder? Ahh, right your told it's ok.
superdau 5 years ago
The Islamic scholars and priests are just there for those who wish to increase in their knowledge and understanding. Also, they are necessary to preserve the messege to begin with. You can go to them about specific cases because of their judgement.
Islam is beautiful in that even the simple-minded bedoin is capable of being a perfectly good submitter to God. But for those who are mentally capable and would like to earn more reward, they would rely on the scholars.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
The Qu'ran is full of contradictions. Islam is a lie.
naimad75 5 years ago
Thats an invented lie. All secular historians agree that the Qur'an is the greatest text ever written and is perfectly accurate. I would give it a shot if I were you.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
naimad75 5 years ago
lol, ABSOLUTELY no contradiction. I can tell you're not familiar with the qur'an. It just means man was created from all of the above. These verses are actually scientific mircacles. Humans are made up of nothing but water and earth.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Rubbish. How can you possibly claim that? What about the clot of blood? Your perfect book is so imperfect that it requires closed reasoning to validate it's contents.
naimad75 5 years ago
"How can you possibly claim that"? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the claim is wrong? Children can understand this, why can't you. Research human embryology about the clot of blood. The word in Arabic, 'Alaqa' has three definitions, leech, suspended/hanging thing, or clot. Amazing, all three fit..
abdullahzs 5 years ago
Alaqa can also mean "love". If you want to talk embryology, the development of a foetus is incorrectly described in the Qu'ran.
naimad75 5 years ago
"love" would also fit. But it makes alot more sense that the Qur'an would be referring to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during the first 3 weeks, blood that does not circulate making it as a clot of blood.
abdullahzs 5 years ago
I am an atheist, and I do not consider the government my god. I consider the government as a source to help my community and protect it.
connerjd 5 years ago
Connerjd, I must disagree with your statement "I consider the government as a source to help my community and protect it." Not only is government currently a threat to liberty in general (in the USA, in particular), but it has increasingly bowed its head to the nutcase Religious Right. My goodness, how much more drug war, stem cell research blocking, and anti-homosexuality can we bear?
Malachias 5 years ago
Good points. The government is suppose to help the community. Unfortunately, this does not always happen.
connerjd 5 years ago
Well done Brian.
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 5 years ago
Ya know what I think is really ironic. Alot of the atheists here are subscribed to CaptainOAwsome. The Capn has burned the bible pissed on effigies of mohammed, wiped his butt with the Koran, put up posters proclaiming jesus a pedophile. Has made a video in which jesus rapes him, mohammed gives him head, etc.
Yet, some dude scoops up a little dog poo with the bible and it's "OMFGWTF!!! Bastards, I'm gonna unsubscribe!!!"
Hypocrits.
psyjax 5 years ago
Ed makes the same mistake ALL theists do - taking a book as something MORE than a book. Why do you do that? I don't take anything Hunter Thompson or Erich Remarque wrote as more than literature. If you wipe up poo with that, why would I take offence? But somehow, CERTAIN books are "sacred". BullSHIT.
YellowNumberFive 5 years ago
Oh, and Ed is an atheist. It's more apt to say almost all theists and and many atheists somehow give undue reverence to a pile of words.
YellowNumberFive 5 years ago
Ok. Question: An Iraqi wiped his ass with our Consitution. How does that make you feel? Let me guess. Its fine with you? Vauge comparision, but not that vague.
KillTrend 5 years ago
Fine by me. It's just paper, and their just words.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
Hey, that's the point. I'm sure Iraqis got a lot of reason to hate us right now. If he thinks our constitution is shit, and he wants to do that to make a statement, it's his right.
And yes, I would be offended, but I still support the Iraqi in expressing his opinion. Even if his mode of expression is shocking.
psyjax 5 years ago
George Bush and Christians wipe their ass with the constitution regularly, what's your point?
TheOptimisticSkeptic 5 years ago
That officially makes 3 core members who feel the same way about this video: no big deal.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
The dog-crap video is childish and stupid. If you want people to respect you and your opinions don't act like a clown. Right or wrong IMAGE DOES MATTER.
ArchNME 5 years ago
Do you feel any better about it now after talking with us in our chat room arch?
RationalResponse 5 years ago
I feel better in the sense that I got to clearly and fully express my opinion, which is always nice. My opinion on the matter hasn't changed though. It would be nice if you took the vid down, I would find it hard to backdown myself though in the face of KTs "demands".
ArchNME 5 years ago
Why is it childish? Is the Blasphemy Challenge childish and stupid too?
tingtangs 5 years ago
The idea that something is or is not childish is a subjective opinion. It's hard to logically defend as if it were a fact. I think it would be obvious to anyone why someone else might look at that as childish and won't attempt to break down the reasoning here. If you are genuinely confused though, send me a message and I'll write you a nice essay on the subject. To your second question - no, not really.
ArchNME 5 years ago
I think a better use for a bible is to redistribute it along with an index to all the indefensibly evil and contradictory verses. It's hard to believe killtrend is an atheist. I think he needs to examine his motives. It seems he likes to play a victim.
freebaker 5 years ago
I couldn't agree more on the "bad word" thing. My kids are allowed to curse if they feel like it. I teach them that all words are good because they allow us to express our selves and effectively communicate with others. Just because they know them and are allowed to say them doesn't mean that they run around saying them all of the time...
weeeezzll 5 years ago
personally at this point (7:50) I am sooooo ready to call this guy a christian. Sounds really iffy to me, that and smells like a rat to me.
MajorDestruction 5 years ago
Picking up dog shit with the bible is offensive ? the book itself is offensive what about all the shit that has been dumped on humanity by adherence to this book, christianity has been offended ? well christianity offends me
Blackfingernail 5 years ago
Exactly.... "you find me offensive... well I find you offensive for finding me offensive" - the great philosopher Dr. Eminem
RationalResponse 5 years ago
First it was playing with faeces, now it's the Philosophy of Eminem.
RRS never fails to dissapoint.
andopolis 5 years ago
So let me get this straight: You are not okay with being called a commie, not being able to hold office in certain places and told you worship Satan, but you are completely okay with doing something equivalent back to them? Nobody is saying you can't do it. It is merely saying that it is a counter-productive act that won't be supported.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
I would laugh if I saw someone picking up dog crap with a Dawkins or Harris book.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
Then laugh away. I think Christians would laugh too if you're picking dog shit with "The purpose-driven life," but if you pick dog shit with what they believe is holy, that is a different story. Try using a relevant example instead of a strawman next time.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Seriously Sapient: When you believed the bible was the word of god, how would you have reacted to this? With laughter? With embrace? You would have thought "gee, i should question the bible because atheists made a good point and they are rational loving people"? If you're honest and rational, you'll say NO.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
I can't honestly answer that. I was a theist only as a child. I was always questioning it, I suppose I most likely would've been merely intrigued. Playing devils advocate with myself however I accept the possibility that I wouldn't have assumed something more sinister about the video maker. I wouldn't have been dumb enough to assume something about ALL atheists, that I can be reasonably certain of.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
Brian: You have control of the most viewed Atheist outlet on the web most likely. Massive media coverage has spawned from your antics with the challenge. When they see that account posting things like Dave did, its not just one Atheist. Its a good number. And if no one speaks up, than all atheists are in agreement. Which leads to counter-productivity of your cause.
KillTrend 5 years ago
For that reason I'm glad you spoke up. It should be clear to all, the Rational Response Squad speaks for 5 people OUR HOSTS, and whoever else chooses to align themselves with us.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
I'd pity them.
andopolis 4 years ago
You attack this guy and random facts instead of really attacking the argument. What you and mills did was counterproductive and distasteful. I'm an Atheist too, but people like you make me sick.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Do yourself a favor for your health... don't watch our videos and disassociate yourself with us. We wish you well in this journey they call life.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
That is exactly what I'm doing. I'm unsubscribing. If you really put yourself in the shoes of Christiand and realize this is nothing more than attempt to insult, you're an idiot. Seriously, what did you accomplish with this video Sapient? You think someone who may want to question their religion and comes here for advice will want to do that after seeing something like that? Think!
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
And yet I still got about 40 emails from Christians in the last hour with questions. How many did good guy atheist "Killtrend" get, I wonder. :P
RationalResponse 5 years ago
You're basically getting to the point where you're saying: They do us bad. Therefore, we should be allowed do them bad. Where does the cease fire begin? Who is going to be the adult and not continue the downward spiral? I was hoping it were you.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Absolutely none :) You are the one with the fanbase. And you, are the one that took 25 minutes to record a response. So 40 emails from random christians, or one 25 minute response. In which you lost a few subscribers and a handful of respect. I didnt have anything to lose.
KillTrend 5 years ago
Even what you didn't have to lose you lost, one the other side of the issue I've been subscribed to RR, but have generally found their content quite mamby pamby in contrast with people like TheAmazingAtheist or CapnOAwesome, it was refreshing to finally see content they might put out on this channel, they gained my respect by posting that video.
TheOptimisticSkeptic 5 years ago
Your comments on this video are totally irrational, I find it hard to believe you're the same person who made the "Are Christians being persecuted?" video, I like you, I believe, opposed to BK's bible burning challenge, not because it was a bible, but because of the symbolism of burning books, the book itself, and the horrific beliefs it spawns deserve no respect, as a result of your comments I will be unsubscribing, I can't be bothered with weak kneed sunshine atheists, my time is to valuable.
TheOptimisticSkeptic 5 years ago
The whole problem here is that you don't realize there is a difference between capnoawesome who makes videos for atheists and entertainment while rational response is supposed to do a service to turn people from irrationality. What does the Mills video accomplish? Nothing. I'm glad you unsubscribe. People like you are scum.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Well, I appreciate you showing your hypocrisy, I disagree with you, and in response I'm called scum, so much for showing respect to people with different opinions. lol
TheOptimisticSkeptic 5 years ago
Oh and by the way, rational response is supposed to be what rational response makes it, it isn't what you want it to be, and if you think any Christian who might be offended by the crap video is going to be converted through reason and a rational argument you're as deluded as they are.
TheOptimisticSkeptic 5 years ago
Sure, rational response can be whatever they want. I don't know where you get that I'm trying to censor them. I simply disagree with them as "intellectuals" in general and what they do, so I will stay away from them. I never asked anyone else to unsubscribe or even announced I would until Sapient suggested it.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
So you dismiss someones intellectual prowess as a result of us posting a video of a friend having some fun with shit and more shit. POOR CRITICAL THINKER ALERT.
RationalResponse 5 years ago
No, I have disagreed with your methods and intellectual honesty for awhile. This was just the spilling point.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
That's exactly what I am getting from all of these comments.
It really does seem like we are somehow not allowed to have