You are so full of it... did you even WATCH this video??? It was about people like you...
Before divorce became legal and easy, people stayed together - tor all the wrong reasons. After divorce, they no longer were forced (sometimes by economic circumstances) to stay together, so they split up. The gay families I've seen are as strong as any straight ones. In fact, studies show they are usually even happier than the average. Where's the problem? Except in your bigoted head?
@pogostiks1 I dont have any problems with gays being together and being happy! My problem is that by elevating alternative lifestyles to the same level as the traditional marriage would lessen the importance of the latter. Also I can not imagine why gay people want or need the approval of the state by being officially recognized as married to be happy!
@boldman01 Nah, id beg to differ. Lets start from the fact the what is not natural is not normal. Well for two people of the same sex to love each other sexually is not normal.
It doesnt serve any purpose. Thus its a sickness.
Im not bashing gays, im just saying. What do you think?
@Ducky888888 There are lots of thing in life that dont "serve a purpose", it doesnt mean that those are sicknesses. What is the purpose of life itself? Nobody really knows! Possibly nothing. So life itself must be a sickness according to your logic. What's the purpose of oral sex between a man and a woman? Is that a sickness too?
@19joe67 Yeah well you are getting very philosophical here. Of course we are coming from nowhere and going to nowhere but still in the meantime there are some rules.
And an existence without rules is anarchy.
The purpose of oral sex between a man and a woman is i guess can be the part of the sexual act, as playing with each other or just to satisfy our sexual needs without making babies as we are humans after all not animals so we should regulate that also i believe.
@Ducky888888 Well, homosexual acts have the same purpose: They satisfy sexual needs without making babies! If thats ok for a man and a woman, it should be equally ok for 2 men or 2 women, therefore they can not be called a sickness in one case and not in the other. Now, how you plan to regulate that and why, is beyond my comprehension. I certainly wouldnt want to consult my lawyer when I'm about to satisfy my partner sexually, to make sure that I won't break any laws!
@Ducky888888 The problem with your analogy about cancer and other sicknesses is that cancer will kill you but being gay wont. Gays function just like other healthy people, they dont have runny noses, fever or pain or any simptoms of any sickness therefore they are not sick! Just because they were created/born with sexual needs that are different from yours, it doesnt make them sick!
@Ducky888888 Now, lets say for argument's sake that you are right and being gay is a sickness. Then your opposition to gay marriage is based on what? That you are against sick people getting married??? Would you be against people with cancer getting married, just because their cancer shouldnt be as gay people shouldnt be attracted to the same sex?
@19joe67 Ok, cancer was a wrong analogy, I rather should have said a disorder psychological.
On the subject of gay marriage i admit that i'm quite hesitant.
Id probably let it be decided on a majority opinion. But im 100% against adoption because you are imposing something to the child that he might not want at all.
@Ducky888888 Sexual orientation can't be imposed on anyone, you born straight, gay, or bisexual. I dont think a gay couple adopting a child would be any worse than growing up in an orphanage or in a single parent home. Gays are capable of loving a child and looking out for its best interest just like straight people.
@19joe67 Im all for it. :) And before me call me a hypocrite because i suppose that why you asked that, women are touching and kissing each other for ever whether gay or not and it never shocked anybody ever. For me this is different because women are fragile and gentle and sweet and all that. Its in the nature of a woman. Of course you can beg to differ.
@Ducky888888 Are you saying that everybody should behave in a way that suits you? Women kissing is moral and natural, but men kissing is inmoral and unnatural? Are you sure that you are ready to set the standards for sexual behavior for everybody else? It seems to me like a huge responsibility. It would be much easier to let everybody decide for themselves and if you happen to witness something you dont like on the street, you simply stop staring! How about that for a solution:)
@19joe67 "How about that for a solution:)" Not to be mean but Im afraid that its not happening for the near future. Why? How many countries do you know where the public opinion would agree for such a behaviour? My guess would be none. If its really not that big of a deal why most of the people are repelled by the idea?
"accidents of gestation" Does that mean that Homosexuality is a disorder? Lets take the emotion out of that quote. Disorders arnt necessarily a bad thing and im not saying its wrong. But what if there was a way to monitor this and prevent it? Would preventing it there fore be moral or immoral? Would homosexuals see this as wrong? If so why exactly?
@TheDJdkutz : just because it is different doesn't mean it is a "disorder; As he explained, we would all be female if it weren't for various hormonal changes... and it is more and more likely that certain foetuses are homosexual because of various hormonal differences during gestation. As homosexuality exists in a multitude of species - this is all part of teh Divine Plan if you believe in such things. "Disorder"? No - difference.
I agree with a lot of your videos, but I take a couple of issues with this one. Immigrant phobia occurs because it threatens not people's pride but their wages. Immigration is competition to existing workers; the classic response to this is to have government shut it down. Also, while you claim that people believe things merely because of the way in which they grow up; by your own argument, you believe that only because of how you were brought up, so this idea is fundamentally untrustworthy.
Stefan, I like most of your stuff, but this is logically confused. 1) You fudge the reasonable idea that there is an innate component to sexually orientation into "it is COMPLETELY 100% innate" & completely involuntary. Behavioral characteristics aren't so simple; 2) You ignore the issue of what marriage IS, what it's FOR in society (it's for promoting procreation & child-rearing, which same-sex couples simply can't do, hence it doesn't apply. Freedom for all, including gays - but not marriage.
Then why allow straight people over child-bearing age to marry?
That's just pig-headed illogic on your part. Marriage was originally devised as a means of guarding property within a family - as women were considered as such... or as a way to increase one's own social standing by marrying someone with a good dowry.
The TRADITIONAL (not the institution of) marriage is REAL. It is an EXISTING tradition. People do it, so it's real. If you introduce gay "marriage" as an equally beneficial thing for society, that does threaten the traditional marriage, by eroding it's importance and special place in our society.
Some traditions are bad, but some are good. You don't want to just change them nilly willy to accomodate the demands of a small fregment of society.
@19joe67 If it is so bad, then why, in the countries where gay marriage has existed now for up to ten years or more - there seems to be NO detectable negative results? Because there ARE none! DUH!
@pogostiks1 The fact of the matter is that Europe, which has much more liberal social policies than the US is simply dying. People dont get married, they dont have children, the avarage number of children per family is well below what is needed just to sustain thd population. This is by far the biggest problem in Europe, not the debt problems they have! The erosion of the traditional family structure and values are apparent and the consequences are too.
@19joe67 Simplistic response. If you are worried about fewer children being born, well, then at least be logical. Gay people have children too, so more marriages (even gay ones) should make you happier. The "traditional family structure" only works when people are FORCED to accept ANY circumstance, because divorce is not allowed; but gay marriage has had NO effect on any of this.
@pogostiks1 Traditional family structure and values dont have to be FORCED upon anyone as long as they are accepted as social norms, they will work. Gay marriage has the effect of diluting the importance and uniqueness of the hetero marriage. From the recreation point of view their are not equally important. Look at the black community. They dont believe that marriage is important therefore 70% of black chilren are born out of wedlock which is a contributing factor of them filling the prisons.
@19joe67 If you start accepting alternative lifestyles as social norms, by definition you make the traditional lifestyle less important in people's minds. That could lead to social disaster.
@pogostiks1 Having said that, I dont believe that its the govrnment's job to promote traditional marriage, but if they must promote something, I'd rather have them promote traditional marriage than other alternative lifestyles.
God man, I may or may not agree with you but I will never know. You never get to the damn point or at least it takes you 20 words to my 1 in order to make it. Now I have lost interest again. Maybe you have a short video I can actually sit through.
now that the gay marriage threshold has been achieved, the next logical threshold is allowing legal polygamy. I can't see what argument can be made against it. As long as multiple partners agree that it is not against their will.
Although I do not envision that the LGBT community backing/pushing for polygamy.
FYI - I am not for limiting the rights of gay people. I believe in love and respect of all human beings regardless of the things they do. But I cannot accept homosexual behavior any more than I can accept NAMBLA.
You're making a strawman argument. There is 0 evidence that homosexuality is inborn/genetic despite the claims. It is a behavior, not a physical attribute like eye color or height. If everyone were homosexual, we'd all die off in one generation due to lack of procreation. I suppose I should accept bestiality and pedophilia, or be accused of being a bigot? After all, maybe that pedophile was simply born that way? Or perhaps that man is genetically predisposed to be attracted to goats?
@matthewdoylelives Gay people are voluntarily having sex, Pedophiles have to FORCE children to have sex. Get the difference? Or did your own violent upbringing make this distinction too hard to see?
@sadisticbrujeria Not sure what it is you think you know about my childhood. But not all pedophilia is by force. NAMBLA is an association that wants the freedom for adults and children to have sex together consensually. There are under age boys and girls having sex with 18+ year old adults by choice. So your argument that pedophilia is only by force is mistaken. Gay people can have sex together all they want. They can get married all they want. But I refuse to accept it as normal.
@sadisticbrujeria But hey I'm not here to stop anyone from living their lives how they want. Be gay. I don't care. Just don't call me a bigot because I don't accept your lifestyle.
@matthewdoylelives You can not "accept" our lifestyle as long as you let us live it! If you stay in your own corner minding your own business...fine! But if you do everything in your power to STOP us from having equal Constitutional rights then you ARE a bigot.
@pogostiks1 Gays have the exact same constitutional rights as straights! As far as marriage is concenred, its not a constitutional right, but the law is applied equally for everyone regardless of sexul orientation. Straight people are not allowed to marry same sex either and gay people are allowed to marry the opposite sex just as straight people. There is absolutely no discrimination or bigotry there.
in the old testament, the isrealites were commanded to eliminate homosexuals, in the new testament how ever , we are told homosexuality is sinfull, yet forgiveness is preached there ! comparing eye color , to deviant sexual, activity is naive at best !all other creatures use sexual activity for procreation, except humans , and chimps !Homosexuality is not natural, therefor an affront to God and nature!homosexuality is socialy and environmentaly conditioned behavior ! this guy is full of crap !
@1allstarman Dolphins masturbate on people. And unless you are gay you can't really understand, its best just to stay out of their business and let them be.
@Halliwell0rain Because I am not gay ,and have not bought into the deviant deception you preach, I totaly understand, my only intention is to save you from peril! I thought humans were suppposed to be above the realm of animals! , not lower ourselves to it !
@1allstarman You seems like your heart is in the right place, but it's not your life, and people have a choice. Some don't believe in god and the bible and I don't think its very christian to spread hate about other people. Live your life and care about those around you but we are each individuals. Besides, I can think of many disadvantaged people who would welcome your help with open arms. There are plenty of homeless children and families who could use a helping hand.
I learned much from this. Thank you. I would like to add to it by stating that when the election ballot and voter's pamphlet came my way, I looked in the back. (One of the few instances where reading the end first is more productive!) What I found was that the Mormon Church in UTAH (how did they get to cross state lines and take over our ballot?) poured massive amounts of money and propaganda into a campaign to defeat Proposition 8. It worked. Barely.
@Ruttie2 There are a few reasons for that which i wouldn't get into now or even here. One might either want to do their research of it or "step off the stage".. in other words say nothing as you'd know nothing. It's obvious that it's both "learned" as well as a bodily/DNA chemical issue from birth.
@astrolifter I'm sorry to you that it isn't. Simple as that. I'm even more sorry you're stuck in your conditioning. This has nothing to do with God existing. I think IT does. For example if you think God is a male.. I mean talk about conditioning. That said I'm completely fine with those who chose NOT to believe in "God". While I do the truth is I don't blame them as via conditioning generation after generation God has been incredibly tainted.
@MrCrazyKool Male or female aren't terms that I would use in classifying god. The use of the personal pronoun "he" is simply a matter of practical semantics, traditional as you might say. Damn, I have this crazy feeling of dejavue right now...
@astrolifter But it isn't practical to say "he". Anyway what were we talking about? (that's a semi-funny). Thanks for sharing your opinion. Nice that we both got to. That's the only real idea here. All the best!
@MrCrazyKool I have conditioned myself. My beliefs are my own set of values. I believe in things traditional christians may not, such as reincarnation. I also believe in the validity of evolution and that moreover, it was actually part of God's plan.
@astrolifter "My personal experience is proof enough" anyone can say that. Just try to use that argument in court.
"If you choose not to believe then that's your choice." Only because of lack of evidence. If I see evidence to justify your claims, I am not only jumping, but flying to your bandwagon.
"Whatever works for you." Reason and evidence works for me.
@DollFacePeter Fair enough friend, everything I believe with respect to the supernatural I have actually seen with my own eyes. I have clairvoyance, also called the gift of spiritual sight Ten years ago I was pretty much an atheiest, then I moved onto being agnostic. After being involved in occultic activities for awhile, I actually started seeing things. I don't recommend messing with the occult, I was pretty reckless and stupid the way I went about it.
@DollFacePeter I'm learning to show tolerance for other's views, I can see how not having it made me look bad and led to people not taking me seriously. The worst is being labeled a Religious nut. I don't believe one even has to go to church. Most Christians in my opinion, lack true faith.
Nothing is accidental, your success is the result of your hard work in this life and most likely past lives as well. The guy with the big house shouldn't take what he has for granted, or else he'll be born in poverty in his next life. It would certainly be nice to have been 'blessed' like that lad, but alas, the majority of us struggle a great deal during our lives just to say afloat, let alone get ahead. Homosexuality may be the result of demonic attachments, which can be exorcised.
@astrolifter NOTHING is accidental? So that means you were able to choose which mother you were born to or which hospital you were born in? Could you also have chosen to be born black or white?
Brilliant synthesis. Actually I know that more and more people confess in churches all over the world about their homosexuality and bisexuality. There are millions of gay priests "in the closet" too!
While i agree 90 % with what you say, i' d like to point out some things for the sake of discussion :
1) Ι think you oversimplify the reasons for becoming gay. It is possible that a maternal stress may cause a predisposition toward becoming gay, but predisposition is not enough. No single hormone or gene can be identified responsible for being gay.There would have to be a variety of environmental reason during early childhood and adolescence.
2) The representation of gay in the Media and ShowBiz is not the same as in the general population. This implies that being gay or bisexual is subjective to media propaganda in a certain degree. There are people who do not think of themselves as gay but they have had sex with other gay people for experimentation or even for carreer purposes. For some people there might be some choice in it, it may not be entirely accidental
3) With 60 % of marriages resulting in divorce (and expensive ones) it is weird that there are people fight for this "right". Gay couples have existed for a long time, not being married hardly results in a lower quality of partnership. It may be the opposite. However marriage comes along with certain privilledges,i.e.lower taxation and laws that enable you to inherit your partner's fortune if they pass away. It is those privilledges and the social acceptance gay people want, not marriage itself
4) Another issue concerning gay marriage and families is the lack of both parental roles (mother and father). It is thought by some people that the lack of a role may result in a problematic development for the child.
However psychological research on the topic doesn't confirm that.In fact families with 'two moms" seem to work even better than normal families, but that result needs further testing. Impressive, right?
Sorry for monopolising your thread, just found it thought provoking
What I am saying is way get married in the legal scenes. Their is still the gun. And both parties are going to try and side with the gun so they can win. If it was living together they have to compromise like adults or have to accept some set backs. Now maybe they should brake up but it would be more talking it out on braking up rather than, a judge saying you have to pay this much. People that live together have to talk not coerce each other.
Actually I don't know if your married (legally) but I think marriage in a legal sense is not good. What is the deference between marriage and "living together". Some people I know live intimately with each other but do not marry. What seems to be great about this is well as you say the "gun". Back then men had to beg women to marry as she has a lot to lose and risk and now its the other way around as there is easy divorce and alimony in more favor to women.
It`s been a while since I had seen this video. This is actually the one that got me on the path of self-actualization. It was soon after this video that I went from agnostic to atheist.
IT IS THE WAY GOD SAYS IT IS!! THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION WITH GOD! AND IF GOD'S LAWS ARE IMPERFECT, WHAT KIND OF LAWS WOULD YOU PROPOSE INSTEAD? YOURS? ( if there is no institution of marriage, why do gays insist so much on being married?)
@pgpeachess "there is no negotiation with god"? what is prayer then? isn't it asking god for favors, assistance, and stuff that he wouldn't do, if you hadn't asked? we have all "negotiated" with god. moses wanted him to rethink destroying the wandering errant jews, and god did rethink it and changed his mind. lots of that in the bible. pretty much everytime prayer is involved, god negotiates with the petitioner, and gives him what he wants, or he doesn't.
you mean to tell me that someone can pray to GOD and HE will allow that person not to obey one or two commandments once in a while? and since when praying is the same as negotiating? let me say it again: when it comes to HIS commandments, there is no negotiation with GOD.
@pgpeachess exodus 32:11 Moses...said, “why should your anger burn against your people, ...you brought out of Egypt w...a mighty hand?...Turn from your fierce anger; relent & do not bring disaster on your people. 13 Remember...Abraham, Isaac & Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants...numerous as the stars...& will give your descendants...land I promised them, ’” Then the LORD relented & did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. NEGOTIATED!
@swallertheredpill If this so called god "Yehweh "ever even existed,isn't it obvious that he was NOT the creative force of all existence ,but a mere pretender to throne ? Look at all of his human flaws,Jealousy,anger prejudice and hatred toward anyone who is not his "chosen".Not Creator behavior in my book !
@pgpeachess Are you one of those people who thinks she's totally right about everything? Apparently. Your response is mean-spirited, which isn't in the spirit of Christ, imo. This is why so many of us leave the church...because people like you never really show the true love and kindness of Jesus. All you want to do is browbeat people into submission. The biblical example I gave is Moses reminding God that He's supposed to be good and should keep his word. Interesting.
"Are you one of those people who thinks...?" is there an echo out there? isn't that my line? was CHRIST mean-spirited or not when HE reprimanded Peter -Mat 16:23- or the disciples -Mark 16:14- or the Pharisees? the church is the body of CHRIST, not a building that you can leave whenever you like, just because the people are not kind. my question to you is ARE YOU KIND? i got your example. IT'S NOT ABOUT OUR SUBJECT: OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW (as stated in my very first line).
@pgpeachess i would say that christ was straightforward and to the point, about what he said to peter, but it wasn't mean spirited...he didn't go on and on and belittle him, because he loved him. you belittle and demean people, asking if i'm thinking, questioning me relentlessly. i can do as i want, period. you can believe what you want, period. i don't care what your subject was. i care about the way you talked to me. you are rude. that is NOT the spirit of christ. bye.
All this should be common sense. The fact that anyone would require this much persuasion to understand this is a testament to how sense is no longer common. The sign of the times. *sigh*
I've lived my life by two phrases. "Suffer not over those you deem strange or outlandish for they are your brothers as are any other" and "what is the value of freedom when there are no boundaries in the first place?" I believe in God. God is in all of us and all things. God does not have boundaries or preconceptions or extreme views one way or another, therefore neither should we. The need to feel special runs deep in humanity, so simply "being" is going to be tricky.
Hi Stef, You have misunderstood that man's words. When he said, "God has been very good to me," he did not tag himself as a special person chosen by God. His words were not "the height of vanity and arrogance and foolishness". In fact, they were the opposite. He showed humility and wisdom -- humility in his refusal to take credit and wisdom in his open expression of gratitude. A person full of gratitude will do far more good than an ingrate who weighs his entitlements and disappointments.
Hi Stef, Your words are smooth but untrue. Opposition to same-sex marriage is NOT opposition to gays. Granted, homophobes exist but they are beside the point. Marriage is a carefully structured, time-tested institution that functions as a foundation on which our society stands. It's not a human right. It's not a pill to make individuals happy. It recognizes the fundamental differences between female and male. To redefine marriage is to undefine it. It is to threaten future generations.
All this, of course, is just your opinion, which you are entitled to, but it is just as arrogant to present it as fact, without recognising that you were born at a time of social upheaval and under the influence of social engineers who also have their own agenda, the details of which you may not be fully aware of at this time, but you fail to 'factor 'in the context of the time and place you were born into, historically, spiritually, psychologicaly and objectively-speaking. Thanks for reading.
@HoratioHarbinger What's Unnatural is you thinking you know what is natural!!!! The only thing that everyone on here knows for sure is that you're foolish and delusional......Naturally! ;0)
In reguards to homo sexuals being born and not made I think it maybe fifty fifty. In reguards to it being destractive to a societies population it is. My example would be based on the Spartians. Yes it was a state run, but it relied on a separation of the sexes and state run homosexual docrine in both sexs.
Why are you begging for permission to get married from Republicans or any on else for that matter? Do you think there are only atheist homo's Stefan? You put these labels on things and it only furthers the disconnectedness. If I were a fag I would not worry about getting permission for anything. How stupid is that really? Freedom is freedom to be gay and freedom to get married for anyone. This is just a retarded expectation that gays want bennies from the state by getting married... period.
@straightoutofVISA duh, it's impossible to get elected if you're not a christian. Besides, no real "god" would ever demand his people violate each others rights like you would suggest. That would be downright evil and immoral.
@Houshalter LOL. "The election system is erm......RIGGED." You have to be a member of Skull & Bones to get elected, FACT. Every president has/is/are one.
Athiests are weirs. They don't believe in God or the supernaturel, but they hang on, like vines in a tropical jungle, to their own religion : atheisme. Well, i guess one has to believe in something... oh yeh, funny that : what is this principal, or universal law that "obliges " humans to believe in at least "something", no matter what, even in nothing ? Humans are made, it seems to me, to construct belief systems. The only way to get rid of that, would be to cut our heads off !!
@Houshalter : I was being . Athiests don't believe in "God", or the structures (religions or other) that second His existence. They do, however, believe " religiousely " (written with a smile !) , in His non existence. Some of them worship their no God pohilosdophy. So, they worship something, if only an antiGod. As for not smoking, many who quit smoking after 20 or 30 years, know that at first, and perhaps even later, how difficult a " habit "it is to put in place and sustain.
@terfle1106, if you were born in a different time or place, you would believe in something comlpetely different that the you here would think was absurd, and vice-versa. Atheism though, is pretty much universal. You can insult it all you want, but you just make yourself out to be another close-minded asshole on the internet (no offense, I did it to when I was religious.)
Anyways, you're wrong, the vast majority of people that call themselves atheists accept that there quite possibly could...
...be a god. They just realise there is no evidence to support that claim, just as there is no evidence to support any number of other possible claims, like the flying spaghetti monster for instance.
Yes, there is an institution of marriage ! If this was not the case, there would be no said institution on the face of the earth, be that institution man made or not. You can say that this institution is stupid, or illogical, or you can't abide by it... or whatever else one finds to dislike. But, agin, marriage is an institution as real as mars or venus, or the moon : simply because the damned thing realy " exists " ! Philosophers have a tendancy to live at too high altitudes !
@terfle1106 It's an abstraction, idiot. We use it because it's convenient to us. The concept of 4, and the color red are also convenient abstraction, but are mental things, not physical. You can't interact with 4 or red, or marriage, but you can use them. We can invent and redefine abstract concepts as we need to for greater facility.
@gustjorodedheo : Fine, keep your "conveniences" in your abstract world. Marriage is not abstract, it's in the real world. It's because of "convenient abstractions" that this world is in the state it is in today. Furthermost, my young freind, i would abstain from treating people you don't know as "idiots". Just because you don't have to confront me in the flesh and blood, does'nt give you the "philosophical" right to proclaim i'm an "idiot" by using abstract means such as the net.
@terfle1106 First of all I meant 'convenient' as in 'useful' not 'arbitrary'. Secondly marriage is an abstraction because while you can point out things that are marriages or types of marriages, you cannot point out 'Marriage' in an of itself, anymore than you can point out 'Justice' in and of itself. These things are constructs that we created because they are useful to us for various reason. Also, I called you an idiot for your comment about philosophers, whom you can't appreciate obviously.
@gustjorodedheo : P.S / The concept of 4 and the color red are not "abstractions". They are "conventions". They become abstraction when placed under conditions of "abstractability". This is to say not appertaining to the material reality of nuts and bolts life situations. As for mental not being physical : cut your head off and we'll see if your mental is physical or not. A perturbed mental can find a way of proving to itself that an elephant can hang from a cliff, it's tail tied to a daisy.
His mental constructions are well in place, however, what about destiny through Karma ? What if "God" does'nt play dice with the univers, what if "accident", like hasard and probability are no more than errors of mental appreciation ? What if there is a reality that humains cannot change, alter, or influence, and that we are all individualy concerned by these "invisible forces" ? Seems pretty mentaly fragile to stipulate, as he does, that individualy, we have accidentally become what we are !
@MoneyIsSilver That's amazing! Those people are really sneaky! Hiding all that homosexual propaganda right in the middle of all that heterosexuality! What will they do next, start putting teh gay and teh aidS in the air by using airplane contrails?!
@HoratioHarbinger Homosexuality does no harm in society. That's why it's neither here nor there whether they get married. 'Religious' arguments are nothing.
This guy is totaly wrong. Homosexuals are sick and should be seen as such. They are not in the healthy state of mind. Their lust is the worst kind and it's not something to be promoted and praised. No state of lust should be promoted, not even between man and women, specially not between homosexuals. The world is more degraded day by day... wake up people!
Good vid, as always. I'm struck, however, by what may be a lack of sophistication on your part: Wealthy people who give the response to their wealth that was given to you (which is, btw, the SAME THING you're making a point about--that their wealth was gained purely by luck, or "blessings") often give such responses to sidestep RESENTMENT from others, by avoiding any hint of superiority. This is often done for SAFETY reasons.
MANY hide, or disparage, their wealth and talents.
Gay marriage. Two free-thinking individuals decide to cohabitate. The environment that has produced this mutual coupling will eventually result in a lower population of gay individuals due to the absence of child bearing. Or in a worse case scenario the influence of homosexuality will spread and this reduction will be even greater. Love your other videos though.
@HoratioHarbinger: (part 2) As for your point about artificial conception, I have evidence that's morally wrong but it's always rejected. Google olivia pratten. This lady is suing the canadian government to find out who her dad is. She was artificially conceived & suffered years of depression cuz she didn't know who her dad is. This is NEEDLESS suffering to a kid and yet, they want to have gay families.
@HoratioHarbinger: I hold no rancor against gays as well. What they argue is procreation is NOT a requirement for marriage in civil law which is true actually. They also argue infertile or elderly couples don't procreate so how come they can marry? I do have a counter arguement to those points but it's more in the religious context. (part 1)
@HoratioHarbinger: The counter arguement is that homosexuality has been observed in about 1500 species in nature. Thus, it is natural. But that is b.s. cuz inbreeding is observed in nature as well; yet, the gays decry the incest comparison. Monogamy is not common in nature and again, the gay community decry the polygamy comparison.
@HoratioHarbinger: I agree. But this debate could soon be over cuz someone might've found a cure. Do a youtube search on "effect on rat sexual orientation" or just append this to your youTube URL. watch?v=DuWTmd4f7lo
The evidence is compelling. I heard from someone that ever since beef producers have been injecting estrogen hormones into their cattle, the gay population has skyrocketed. Hmmm...coincedence??
Yeah I read that you should strangle children who disobey their parents in the bible too! Idiot. Don't hate on the doctrine, hate the people who have twisted it
I recently tried to make this argument to some conservatives about gays: I am straight, and no agenda, conversion technique, persuasion, or tranny porn could make me gay. Because of this, I assume that gay people are in a similar predicament, being gay is built into their biology and not a choice. Well, this argument went over like a lead balloon, they all denied that being gay was a choice, even though they refused to admit that they could ever be persuaded to be gay. Thanks for explaining why.
First of all I need to correct your view of Christian theology. The Bible never says that people can choose to be Christians or that we should take pride in our own morality/righteousness. Secondly, it is not the predisposition toward something that is the sin, it is the act. Thirdly, what is your basis for saying something is moral or immoral? If human life is merely a series of chemical accidents, why is it wrong for anyone to kill anyone else, or to say someone deserves death, or to hate?
@ericrocksabeard Additionally, I think that you are focusing on the wrong issue here. I thought you were an anarchist, so why would you be advocating for homosexual couples to be recognized by the government? I'd say that is more enslaving than voting for sure!
@ericrocksabeard I think you are misunderstanding human morality. Morality is not exclusive to religion and religion alone.
Human beings as a species are social creatures and it is ingrained into our biology to not be hostile to other humans by nature. It is culture than drives us to build divides with others and to form groups as well.
Also, Marriage is not a "government institution". It is a social union that is psychologicaly satisfying to those that participate in it.
@kasted I'm merely questioning the rationale of atheists having morals. How can mere chemical reactions be "good" or "evil"? What is "murder" to a strictly naturalistic worldview? Merely matter moving about and bumping into other matter. What is the difference between freedom and slavery to a strictly naturalistic worldview? Just different chemical reactions and electric impulses in blobs of chemicals. There is no "moral" or "immoral" or "person" at the logical end of naturalism.
@TheNoobasaurusRex To a naturalist atheist, wouldn't everything be natural? If someone does act hostile, wouldn't it come his nature? Doesn't culture, and therefore division, come from human nature? You like you believe culture is some unnatural extra-human entity that somehow corrupts "true human morality." Where are you getting that from?
I never said marriage is strictly a government institution, but the whole deal with prop 8 in California is about government recognition of unions.
@ericrocksabeard Killing people is generally wrong because no rational person wants to live in a world where we can be killed at any time for any reason. That's morality. It's simply about rational cooperation. Christianity has no morality - in fact it's an immoral system of beliefs for the most part.
I feel fortunate to have been born here. Childhood was far from optimal but every time I think my life is bad I just have to think of all the people in much worse parts of the world who have no choices to make, no hope for a brighter future, who were born in such a situation...and I can't help but feel fortunate that even though things are not perfect here at least I feel relatively safe with little fear of hunger and violence.
Well done. I really enjoyed this.
trevormoomaw 5 days ago
You are so full of it... did you even WATCH this video??? It was about people like you...
Before divorce became legal and easy, people stayed together - tor all the wrong reasons. After divorce, they no longer were forced (sometimes by economic circumstances) to stay together, so they split up. The gay families I've seen are as strong as any straight ones. In fact, studies show they are usually even happier than the average. Where's the problem? Except in your bigoted head?
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
@pogostiks1 I dont have any problems with gays being together and being happy! My problem is that by elevating alternative lifestyles to the same level as the traditional marriage would lessen the importance of the latter. Also I can not imagine why gay people want or need the approval of the state by being officially recognized as married to be happy!
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 There is nothing traditional about modern marriage. In traditional marriage the wife was a possession.
robzrob 1 week ago
@robzrob Sure, but dont forget: The wife was always a female!
19joe67 1 week ago
The bible is a fiction book like many others.
There is no homosexuality or heterosexuality or watherversexuality only sexuality.
boldman01 4 weeks ago
@boldman01 Nah, id beg to differ. Lets start from the fact the what is not natural is not normal. Well for two people of the same sex to love each other sexually is not normal.
It doesnt serve any purpose. Thus its a sickness.
Im not bashing gays, im just saying. What do you think?
Ducky888888 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 There are lots of thing in life that dont "serve a purpose", it doesnt mean that those are sicknesses. What is the purpose of life itself? Nobody really knows! Possibly nothing. So life itself must be a sickness according to your logic. What's the purpose of oral sex between a man and a woman? Is that a sickness too?
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 Yeah well you are getting very philosophical here. Of course we are coming from nowhere and going to nowhere but still in the meantime there are some rules.
And an existence without rules is anarchy.
The purpose of oral sex between a man and a woman is i guess can be the part of the sexual act, as playing with each other or just to satisfy our sexual needs without making babies as we are humans after all not animals so we should regulate that also i believe.
Ducky888888 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 Well, homosexual acts have the same purpose: They satisfy sexual needs without making babies! If thats ok for a man and a woman, it should be equally ok for 2 men or 2 women, therefore they can not be called a sickness in one case and not in the other. Now, how you plan to regulate that and why, is beyond my comprehension. I certainly wouldnt want to consult my lawyer when I'm about to satisfy my partner sexually, to make sure that I won't break any laws!
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 Hehe yeah but sexual needs should be oriented to the opposite sex not to the same sex. Who says so? Mother nature. :)
Ducky888888 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 Mother nature created homosexual people too and it also created their sexual needs!!!
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 Just like he created cancer and all kind of sickness.
This is crazy. Are you hungarian? I saw that you watch hungarian videos.
Ducky888888 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 The problem with your analogy about cancer and other sicknesses is that cancer will kill you but being gay wont. Gays function just like other healthy people, they dont have runny noses, fever or pain or any simptoms of any sickness therefore they are not sick! Just because they were created/born with sexual needs that are different from yours, it doesnt make them sick!
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 You're anti-gay and your name is Ducky?!?!!? Lol
robzrob 1 week ago
@robzrob Imagine that! Youve seen it all.
Ducky888888 1 week ago
@Ducky888888 Now, lets say for argument's sake that you are right and being gay is a sickness. Then your opposition to gay marriage is based on what? That you are against sick people getting married??? Would you be against people with cancer getting married, just because their cancer shouldnt be as gay people shouldnt be attracted to the same sex?
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 Ok, cancer was a wrong analogy, I rather should have said a disorder psychological.
On the subject of gay marriage i admit that i'm quite hesitant.
Id probably let it be decided on a majority opinion. But im 100% against adoption because you are imposing something to the child that he might not want at all.
Ducky888888 2 weeks ago
@Ducky888888 Sexual orientation can't be imposed on anyone, you born straight, gay, or bisexual. I dont think a gay couple adopting a child would be any worse than growing up in an orphanage or in a single parent home. Gays are capable of loving a child and looking out for its best interest just like straight people.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 I dont know man. I cannot decide if its a moral issue that we feel repulsed by
the sight homosexuality or its just our tradition and education.
I dont really see the future world with men walking hand in hand and kissing each other on the streets. :)
Ducky888888 1 week ago
@Ducky888888 How about gorgeous women doing that on the streets???
19joe67 1 week ago
@19joe67 Im all for it. :) And before me call me a hypocrite because i suppose that why you asked that, women are touching and kissing each other for ever whether gay or not and it never shocked anybody ever. For me this is different because women are fragile and gentle and sweet and all that. Its in the nature of a woman. Of course you can beg to differ.
Ducky888888 1 week ago
@Ducky888888 Are you saying that everybody should behave in a way that suits you? Women kissing is moral and natural, but men kissing is inmoral and unnatural? Are you sure that you are ready to set the standards for sexual behavior for everybody else? It seems to me like a huge responsibility. It would be much easier to let everybody decide for themselves and if you happen to witness something you dont like on the street, you simply stop staring! How about that for a solution:)
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@19joe67 "How about that for a solution:)" Not to be mean but Im afraid that its not happening for the near future. Why? How many countries do you know where the public opinion would agree for such a behaviour? My guess would be none. If its really not that big of a deal why most of the people are repelled by the idea?
Ducky888888 5 days ago
@Ducky888888 Its tradition.
BTW, many animals can be gay. Including Flamingoes. Homosexuality is pretty natural.
LordOrlock 1 week ago
@LordOrlock "many animals can be gay." That is a false argument. Many animals are sick also, it doesnt mean that sickness is natural.
Ducky888888 5 days ago
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ks100001 3 days ago
@Ducky888888 The next time you have a fever, remember: it's an evil spirit or the Soviet Death Ray.
ks100001 3 days ago
@ks100001 Why are you saying this?
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ks100001 15 hours ago
@Ducky888888 "Many animals are sick also, it doesnt mean that sickness is natural."
So illnesses have an unnatural cause?
ks100001 15 hours ago
"accidents of gestation" Does that mean that Homosexuality is a disorder? Lets take the emotion out of that quote. Disorders arnt necessarily a bad thing and im not saying its wrong. But what if there was a way to monitor this and prevent it? Would preventing it there fore be moral or immoral? Would homosexuals see this as wrong? If so why exactly?
TheDJdkutz 1 month ago
@TheDJdkutz : just because it is different doesn't mean it is a "disorder; As he explained, we would all be female if it weren't for various hormonal changes... and it is more and more likely that certain foetuses are homosexual because of various hormonal differences during gestation. As homosexuality exists in a multitude of species - this is all part of teh Divine Plan if you believe in such things. "Disorder"? No - difference.
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
I agree with a lot of your videos, but I take a couple of issues with this one. Immigrant phobia occurs because it threatens not people's pride but their wages. Immigration is competition to existing workers; the classic response to this is to have government shut it down. Also, while you claim that people believe things merely because of the way in which they grow up; by your own argument, you believe that only because of how you were brought up, so this idea is fundamentally untrustworthy.
TheLoserforsale 1 month ago
Stefan, I like most of your stuff, but this is logically confused. 1) You fudge the reasonable idea that there is an innate component to sexually orientation into "it is COMPLETELY 100% innate" & completely involuntary. Behavioral characteristics aren't so simple; 2) You ignore the issue of what marriage IS, what it's FOR in society (it's for promoting procreation & child-rearing, which same-sex couples simply can't do, hence it doesn't apply. Freedom for all, including gays - but not marriage.
shpunge 1 month ago in playlist True News! from Freedomain Radio
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Then why allow straight people over child-bearing age to marry?
That's just pig-headed illogic on your part. Marriage was originally devised as a means of guarding property within a family - as women were considered as such... or as a way to increase one's own social standing by marrying someone with a good dowry.
Maybe you should spend some time reading history?
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
ah fuck dat. I saw your voting video and fuck it Im voting against homosexuality marriage.
niguhfag 2 months ago
The TRADITIONAL (not the institution of) marriage is REAL. It is an EXISTING tradition. People do it, so it's real. If you introduce gay "marriage" as an equally beneficial thing for society, that does threaten the traditional marriage, by eroding it's importance and special place in our society.
Some traditions are bad, but some are good. You don't want to just change them nilly willy to accomodate the demands of a small fregment of society.
19joe67 2 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
@19joe67 If it is so bad, then why, in the countries where gay marriage has existed now for up to ten years or more - there seems to be NO detectable negative results? Because there ARE none! DUH!
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
@pogostiks1 The fact of the matter is that Europe, which has much more liberal social policies than the US is simply dying. People dont get married, they dont have children, the avarage number of children per family is well below what is needed just to sustain thd population. This is by far the biggest problem in Europe, not the debt problems they have! The erosion of the traditional family structure and values are apparent and the consequences are too.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 Simplistic response. If you are worried about fewer children being born, well, then at least be logical. Gay people have children too, so more marriages (even gay ones) should make you happier. The "traditional family structure" only works when people are FORCED to accept ANY circumstance, because divorce is not allowed; but gay marriage has had NO effect on any of this.
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
@pogostiks1 Traditional family structure and values dont have to be FORCED upon anyone as long as they are accepted as social norms, they will work. Gay marriage has the effect of diluting the importance and uniqueness of the hetero marriage. From the recreation point of view their are not equally important. Look at the black community. They dont believe that marriage is important therefore 70% of black chilren are born out of wedlock which is a contributing factor of them filling the prisons.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@19joe67 If you start accepting alternative lifestyles as social norms, by definition you make the traditional lifestyle less important in people's minds. That could lead to social disaster.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
@pogostiks1 Having said that, I dont believe that its the govrnment's job to promote traditional marriage, but if they must promote something, I'd rather have them promote traditional marriage than other alternative lifestyles.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
God man, I may or may not agree with you but I will never know. You never get to the damn point or at least it takes you 20 words to my 1 in order to make it. Now I have lost interest again. Maybe you have a short video I can actually sit through.
Darthreloy 2 months ago
now that the gay marriage threshold has been achieved, the next logical threshold is allowing legal polygamy. I can't see what argument can be made against it. As long as multiple partners agree that it is not against their will.
Although I do not envision that the LGBT community backing/pushing for polygamy.
tillman40 2 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
FYI - I am not for limiting the rights of gay people. I believe in love and respect of all human beings regardless of the things they do. But I cannot accept homosexual behavior any more than I can accept NAMBLA.
matthewdoylelives 3 months ago
@matthewdoylelives Gay Sex is Voluntary. Pedophilia is not. The distinction means EVERYTHING.
sadisticbrujeria 2 months ago
You're making a strawman argument. There is 0 evidence that homosexuality is inborn/genetic despite the claims. It is a behavior, not a physical attribute like eye color or height. If everyone were homosexual, we'd all die off in one generation due to lack of procreation. I suppose I should accept bestiality and pedophilia, or be accused of being a bigot? After all, maybe that pedophile was simply born that way? Or perhaps that man is genetically predisposed to be attracted to goats?
matthewdoylelives 3 months ago
@matthewdoylelives Gay people are voluntarily having sex, Pedophiles have to FORCE children to have sex. Get the difference? Or did your own violent upbringing make this distinction too hard to see?
sadisticbrujeria 2 months ago
@sadisticbrujeria Not sure what it is you think you know about my childhood. But not all pedophilia is by force. NAMBLA is an association that wants the freedom for adults and children to have sex together consensually. There are under age boys and girls having sex with 18+ year old adults by choice. So your argument that pedophilia is only by force is mistaken. Gay people can have sex together all they want. They can get married all they want. But I refuse to accept it as normal.
matthewdoylelives 2 months ago
@sadisticbrujeria But hey I'm not here to stop anyone from living their lives how they want. Be gay. I don't care. Just don't call me a bigot because I don't accept your lifestyle.
matthewdoylelives 2 months ago
@matthewdoylelives who cares what you consider normal?
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@sadisticbrujeria I could ask you the same thing no?
matthewdoylelives 2 months ago
@matthewdoylelives You can not "accept" our lifestyle as long as you let us live it! If you stay in your own corner minding your own business...fine! But if you do everything in your power to STOP us from having equal Constitutional rights then you ARE a bigot.
pogostiks1 2 weeks ago
@pogostiks1 Gays have the exact same constitutional rights as straights! As far as marriage is concenred, its not a constitutional right, but the law is applied equally for everyone regardless of sexul orientation. Straight people are not allowed to marry same sex either and gay people are allowed to marry the opposite sex just as straight people. There is absolutely no discrimination or bigotry there.
19joe67 2 weeks ago
my mind feels nourished and cleansed
chapinguy 3 months ago
in the old testament, the isrealites were commanded to eliminate homosexuals, in the new testament how ever , we are told homosexuality is sinfull, yet forgiveness is preached there ! comparing eye color , to deviant sexual, activity is naive at best !all other creatures use sexual activity for procreation, except humans , and chimps !Homosexuality is not natural, therefor an affront to God and nature!homosexuality is socialy and environmentaly conditioned behavior ! this guy is full of crap !
1allstarman 3 months ago
@1allstarman And besides, the tooth fairy doesn't approve of it!
NativeNewMexican 3 months ago in playlist True News! from Freedomain Radio
@1allstarman Dolphins masturbate on people. And unless you are gay you can't really understand, its best just to stay out of their business and let them be.
Halliwell0rain 3 months ago
@Halliwell0rain Because I am not gay ,and have not bought into the deviant deception you preach, I totaly understand, my only intention is to save you from peril! I thought humans were suppposed to be above the realm of animals! , not lower ourselves to it !
1allstarman 3 months ago
@1allstarman You seems like your heart is in the right place, but it's not your life, and people have a choice. Some don't believe in god and the bible and I don't think its very christian to spread hate about other people. Live your life and care about those around you but we are each individuals. Besides, I can think of many disadvantaged people who would welcome your help with open arms. There are plenty of homeless children and families who could use a helping hand.
Halliwell0rain 3 months ago
This video made me punch a scientist. >:C
jeffsandychelsea 3 months ago
It is impossible to be born with the wrong body without severe genetic damage.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan i have several friends with third nipples
they're not mentally retarded, as u re implying
vtran31 3 months ago
@vtran31 I'm implying that people who claim to have been born with the wrong body are factually incorrect, nothing more.
FightMarxism 3 months ago
@FightMarxism oh. well technically that's true though I dont see what point that makes
vtran31 3 months ago
I learned much from this. Thank you. I would like to add to it by stating that when the election ballot and voter's pamphlet came my way, I looked in the back. (One of the few instances where reading the end first is more productive!) What I found was that the Mormon Church in UTAH (how did they get to cross state lines and take over our ballot?) poured massive amounts of money and propaganda into a campaign to defeat Proposition 8. It worked. Barely.
thecrew777 4 months ago in playlist Wisdom
I'd say mental. Because there are people who ''turn'' gay.
Ruttie2 4 months ago
@Ruttie2 There are a few reasons for that which i wouldn't get into now or even here. One might either want to do their research of it or "step off the stage".. in other words say nothing as you'd know nothing. It's obvious that it's both "learned" as well as a bodily/DNA chemical issue from birth.
MrCrazyKool 4 months ago
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astrolifter 5 months ago
@astrolifter I'm sorry to you that it isn't. Simple as that. I'm even more sorry you're stuck in your conditioning. This has nothing to do with God existing. I think IT does. For example if you think God is a male.. I mean talk about conditioning. That said I'm completely fine with those who chose NOT to believe in "God". While I do the truth is I don't blame them as via conditioning generation after generation God has been incredibly tainted.
MrCrazyKool 4 months ago
@MrCrazyKool Whatever works...for anyone I guess as long as its not hurting others or animals, thats my new philosophy.
astrolifter 4 months ago
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astrolifter 4 months ago
@MrCrazyKool Male or female aren't terms that I would use in classifying god. The use of the personal pronoun "he" is simply a matter of practical semantics, traditional as you might say. Damn, I have this crazy feeling of dejavue right now...
astrolifter 4 months ago
@astrolifter But it isn't practical to say "he". Anyway what were we talking about? (that's a semi-funny). Thanks for sharing your opinion. Nice that we both got to. That's the only real idea here. All the best!
MrCrazyKool 4 months ago
@MrCrazyKool Thank you my friend, different opinions makes the world grow around, and there's always something I can learn from another.
astrolifter 4 months ago
@MrCrazyKool I have conditioned myself. My beliefs are my own set of values. I believe in things traditional christians may not, such as reincarnation. I also believe in the validity of evolution and that moreover, it was actually part of God's plan.
astrolifter 4 months ago
@MrCrazyKool I would argue that you have been conditioned to see people like me as being stuck in conditioning, when it actually isn't true.
astrolifter 4 months ago
@astrolifter Proof of Gods existence?
Also, you are using a strawman on him regarding evil - Stef has said that evil exists
nurbSoldier 4 months ago
@nurbSoldier My personal experience is proof enough. If you choose not to believe then that's your choice. Whatever works for you.
astrolifter 4 months ago
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@astrolifter "My personal experience is proof enough" anyone can say that. Just try to use that argument in court.
"If you choose not to believe then that's your choice." Only because of lack of evidence. If I see evidence to justify your claims, I am not only jumping, but flying to your bandwagon.
"Whatever works for you." Reason and evidence works for me.
nurbSoldier 4 months ago
@astrolifter disbelief is not a choice. try as i might, i cannot accept the existence of fairies or unicorns
DollFacePeter 4 months ago
@DollFacePeter Fair enough friend, everything I believe with respect to the supernatural I have actually seen with my own eyes. I have clairvoyance, also called the gift of spiritual sight Ten years ago I was pretty much an atheiest, then I moved onto being agnostic. After being involved in occultic activities for awhile, I actually started seeing things. I don't recommend messing with the occult, I was pretty reckless and stupid the way I went about it.
astrolifter 4 months ago
@DollFacePeter I'm learning to show tolerance for other's views, I can see how not having it made me look bad and led to people not taking me seriously. The worst is being labeled a Religious nut. I don't believe one even has to go to church. Most Christians in my opinion, lack true faith.
astrolifter 4 months ago
Nothing is accidental, your success is the result of your hard work in this life and most likely past lives as well. The guy with the big house shouldn't take what he has for granted, or else he'll be born in poverty in his next life. It would certainly be nice to have been 'blessed' like that lad, but alas, the majority of us struggle a great deal during our lives just to say afloat, let alone get ahead. Homosexuality may be the result of demonic attachments, which can be exorcised.
astrolifter 5 months ago
@astrolifter NOTHING is accidental? So that means you were able to choose which mother you were born to or which hospital you were born in? Could you also have chosen to be born black or white?
nurbSoldier 4 months ago
Brilliant synthesis. Actually I know that more and more people confess in churches all over the world about their homosexuality and bisexuality. There are millions of gay priests "in the closet" too!
Damynine 5 months ago
While i agree 90 % with what you say, i' d like to point out some things for the sake of discussion :
1) Ι think you oversimplify the reasons for becoming gay. It is possible that a maternal stress may cause a predisposition toward becoming gay, but predisposition is not enough. No single hormone or gene can be identified responsible for being gay.There would have to be a variety of environmental reason during early childhood and adolescence.
badseed86 6 months ago
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2) The representation of gay in the Media and ShowBiz is not the same as in the general population. This implies that being gay or bisexual is subjective to media propaganda in a certain degree. There are people who do not think of themselves as gay but they have had sex with other gay people for experimentation or even for carreer purposes. For some people there might be some choice in it, it may not be entirely accidental
badseed86 6 months ago
3) With 60 % of marriages resulting in divorce (and expensive ones) it is weird that there are people fight for this "right". Gay couples have existed for a long time, not being married hardly results in a lower quality of partnership. It may be the opposite. However marriage comes along with certain privilledges,i.e.lower taxation and laws that enable you to inherit your partner's fortune if they pass away. It is those privilledges and the social acceptance gay people want, not marriage itself
badseed86 6 months ago
4) Another issue concerning gay marriage and families is the lack of both parental roles (mother and father). It is thought by some people that the lack of a role may result in a problematic development for the child.
However psychological research on the topic doesn't confirm that.In fact families with 'two moms" seem to work even better than normal families, but that result needs further testing. Impressive, right?
Sorry for monopolising your thread, just found it thought provoking
badseed86 6 months ago
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What I am saying is way get married in the legal scenes. Their is still the gun. And both parties are going to try and side with the gun so they can win. If it was living together they have to compromise like adults or have to accept some set backs. Now maybe they should brake up but it would be more talking it out on braking up rather than, a judge saying you have to pay this much. People that live together have to talk not coerce each other.
WEH1123 6 months ago
Actually I don't know if your married (legally) but I think marriage in a legal sense is not good. What is the deference between marriage and "living together". Some people I know live intimately with each other but do not marry. What seems to be great about this is well as you say the "gun". Back then men had to beg women to marry as she has a lot to lose and risk and now its the other way around as there is easy divorce and alimony in more favor to women.
WEH1123 6 months ago
It`s been a while since I had seen this video. This is actually the one that got me on the path of self-actualization. It was soon after this video that I went from agnostic to atheist.
vegetta00 7 months ago
IT IS THE WAY GOD SAYS IT IS!! THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION WITH GOD! AND IF GOD'S LAWS ARE IMPERFECT, WHAT KIND OF LAWS WOULD YOU PROPOSE INSTEAD? YOURS? ( if there is no institution of marriage, why do gays insist so much on being married?)
pgpeachess 8 months ago
@pgpeachess "there is no negotiation with god"? what is prayer then? isn't it asking god for favors, assistance, and stuff that he wouldn't do, if you hadn't asked? we have all "negotiated" with god. moses wanted him to rethink destroying the wandering errant jews, and god did rethink it and changed his mind. lots of that in the bible. pretty much everytime prayer is involved, god negotiates with the petitioner, and gives him what he wants, or he doesn't.
swallertheredpill 6 months ago
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you mean to tell me that someone can pray to GOD and HE will allow that person not to obey one or two commandments once in a while? and since when praying is the same as negotiating? let me say it again: when it comes to HIS commandments, there is no negotiation with GOD.
pgpeachess 6 months ago
@pgpeachess exodus 32:11 Moses...said, “why should your anger burn against your people, ...you brought out of Egypt w...a mighty hand?...Turn from your fierce anger; relent & do not bring disaster on your people. 13 Remember...Abraham, Isaac & Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants...numerous as the stars...& will give your descendants...land I promised them, ’” Then the LORD relented & did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. NEGOTIATED!
swallertheredpill 6 months ago
@swallertheredpill If this so called god "Yehweh "ever even existed,isn't it obvious that he was NOT the creative force of all existence ,but a mere pretender to throne ? Look at all of his human flaws,Jealousy,anger prejudice and hatred toward anyone who is not his "chosen".Not Creator behavior in my book !
jf1325 5 months ago
@swallertheredpill
you take everything out of context? are you one of those people that would rather die than not be right?
have it your way! we'll see if you can do this with JESUS when HE returns.
pgpeachess 5 months ago
@pgpeachess Are you one of those people who thinks she's totally right about everything? Apparently. Your response is mean-spirited, which isn't in the spirit of Christ, imo. This is why so many of us leave the church...because people like you never really show the true love and kindness of Jesus. All you want to do is browbeat people into submission. The biblical example I gave is Moses reminding God that He's supposed to be good and should keep his word. Interesting.
swallertheredpill 5 months ago
@swallertheredpill
"Are you one of those people who thinks...?" is there an echo out there? isn't that my line? was CHRIST mean-spirited or not when HE reprimanded Peter -Mat 16:23- or the disciples -Mark 16:14- or the Pharisees? the church is the body of CHRIST, not a building that you can leave whenever you like, just because the people are not kind. my question to you is ARE YOU KIND? i got your example. IT'S NOT ABOUT OUR SUBJECT: OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW (as stated in my very first line).
pgpeachess 5 months ago
@pgpeachess i would say that christ was straightforward and to the point, about what he said to peter, but it wasn't mean spirited...he didn't go on and on and belittle him, because he loved him. you belittle and demean people, asking if i'm thinking, questioning me relentlessly. i can do as i want, period. you can believe what you want, period. i don't care what your subject was. i care about the way you talked to me. you are rude. that is NOT the spirit of christ. bye.
swallertheredpill 5 months ago
All this should be common sense. The fact that anyone would require this much persuasion to understand this is a testament to how sense is no longer common. The sign of the times. *sigh*
MysteriousFairLady 9 months ago
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mjstryker 9 months ago
Anyone else want to sue god for writing a book of promoting hate-crimes? :P Seriously, for legal purposes, the book should be banned.
Gerstein1 10 months ago
@Gerstein1 A true divine being would not meddle in our trivial earthly matters. It is man who anthropomorphized god, which is rather insulting.
MysteriousFairLady 9 months ago
@MysteriousFairLady Without a doubt.
Gerstein1 9 months ago
Stef, I don't really agree with a lot of your views but GODDAMN you can weave a point together. Nice work mate.
liamsouthwell27 10 months ago
why now that gay's are saying they been rape? or been shown what sex is by a male?
lorddarthstar 10 months ago
I've lived my life by two phrases. "Suffer not over those you deem strange or outlandish for they are your brothers as are any other" and "what is the value of freedom when there are no boundaries in the first place?" I believe in God. God is in all of us and all things. God does not have boundaries or preconceptions or extreme views one way or another, therefore neither should we. The need to feel special runs deep in humanity, so simply "being" is going to be tricky.
Oro44 10 months ago
Hi Stef, You have misunderstood that man's words. When he said, "God has been very good to me," he did not tag himself as a special person chosen by God. His words were not "the height of vanity and arrogance and foolishness". In fact, they were the opposite. He showed humility and wisdom -- humility in his refusal to take credit and wisdom in his open expression of gratitude. A person full of gratitude will do far more good than an ingrate who weighs his entitlements and disappointments.
stuntbaby63 10 months ago
Hi Stef, Your words are smooth but untrue. Opposition to same-sex marriage is NOT opposition to gays. Granted, homophobes exist but they are beside the point. Marriage is a carefully structured, time-tested institution that functions as a foundation on which our society stands. It's not a human right. It's not a pill to make individuals happy. It recognizes the fundamental differences between female and male. To redefine marriage is to undefine it. It is to threaten future generations.
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Watsonius 11 months ago
Urdu is not a 'clicking language' by the way.
Watsonius 11 months ago
All this, of course, is just your opinion, which you are entitled to, but it is just as arrogant to present it as fact, without recognising that you were born at a time of social upheaval and under the influence of social engineers who also have their own agenda, the details of which you may not be fully aware of at this time, but you fail to 'factor 'in the context of the time and place you were born into, historically, spiritually, psychologicaly and objectively-speaking. Thanks for reading.
BouncingFaces 11 months ago
@BouncingFaces hahahahhahahahahaha wow you're very unintelligent....
simonkism 10 months ago
@simonkism
Oh dear, strike a nerve, did we? Ahh, there there...
BouncingFaces 10 months ago
@HoratioHarbinger What's Unnatural is you thinking you know what is natural!!!! The only thing that everyone on here knows for sure is that you're foolish and delusional......Naturally! ;0)
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sabithashasi 11 months ago
In reguards to homo sexuals being born and not made I think it maybe fifty fifty. In reguards to it being destractive to a societies population it is. My example would be based on the Spartians. Yes it was a state run, but it relied on a separation of the sexes and state run homosexual docrine in both sexs.
Bristow42 11 months ago
Why are you begging for permission to get married from Republicans or any on else for that matter? Do you think there are only atheist homo's Stefan? You put these labels on things and it only furthers the disconnectedness. If I were a fag I would not worry about getting permission for anything. How stupid is that really? Freedom is freedom to be gay and freedom to get married for anyone. This is just a retarded expectation that gays want bennies from the state by getting married... period.
PontifexMagnanimous 11 months ago
@qwidgyboman yes i have
straightoutofVISA 1 year ago
homos are an abomonatoin to GOD the only reason why gov. allows gay marriage is becuz most of them are pagens
straightoutofVISA 1 year ago
@straightoutofVISA Try watching the video.
spitball123 1 year ago 2
@straightoutofVISA
Apparently eating shrimp is an abomination. Ever eaten shrimp?
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago 5
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dbrioli 4 months ago
@straightoutofVISA duh, it's impossible to get elected if you're not a christian. Besides, no real "god" would ever demand his people violate each others rights like you would suggest. That would be downright evil and immoral.
Houshalter 1 year ago 6
@Houshalter LOL. "The election system is erm......RIGGED." You have to be a member of Skull & Bones to get elected, FACT. Every president has/is/are one.
koorgen 7 months ago
@Houshalter *facetiously* you clearly havent read the old testament. jehovah was a fucking dousche
vtran31 3 months ago
Athiests are weirs. They don't believe in God or the supernaturel, but they hang on, like vines in a tropical jungle, to their own religion : atheisme. Well, i guess one has to believe in something... oh yeh, funny that : what is this principal, or universal law that "obliges " humans to believe in at least "something", no matter what, even in nothing ? Humans are made, it seems to me, to construct belief systems. The only way to get rid of that, would be to cut our heads off !!
terfle1106 1 year ago
@terfle1106 atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion. You might as well call not smoking a habit.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter : I was being . Athiests don't believe in "God", or the structures (religions or other) that second His existence. They do, however, believe " religiousely " (written with a smile !) , in His non existence. Some of them worship their no God pohilosdophy. So, they worship something, if only an antiGod. As for not smoking, many who quit smoking after 20 or 30 years, know that at first, and perhaps even later, how difficult a " habit "it is to put in place and sustain.
terfle1106 1 year ago
@terfle1106, if you were born in a different time or place, you would believe in something comlpetely different that the you here would think was absurd, and vice-versa. Atheism though, is pretty much universal. You can insult it all you want, but you just make yourself out to be another close-minded asshole on the internet (no offense, I did it to when I was religious.)
Anyways, you're wrong, the vast majority of people that call themselves atheists accept that there quite possibly could...
Houshalter 1 year ago
...be a god. They just realise there is no evidence to support that claim, just as there is no evidence to support any number of other possible claims, like the flying spaghetti monster for instance.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@HoratioHarbinger : I fully agree !
terfle1106 1 year ago
Yes, there is an institution of marriage ! If this was not the case, there would be no said institution on the face of the earth, be that institution man made or not. You can say that this institution is stupid, or illogical, or you can't abide by it... or whatever else one finds to dislike. But, agin, marriage is an institution as real as mars or venus, or the moon : simply because the damned thing realy " exists " ! Philosophers have a tendancy to live at too high altitudes !
terfle1106 1 year ago
@terfle1106 It's an abstraction, idiot. We use it because it's convenient to us. The concept of 4, and the color red are also convenient abstraction, but are mental things, not physical. You can't interact with 4 or red, or marriage, but you can use them. We can invent and redefine abstract concepts as we need to for greater facility.
gustjorodedheo 5 months ago
@gustjorodedheo : Fine, keep your "conveniences" in your abstract world. Marriage is not abstract, it's in the real world. It's because of "convenient abstractions" that this world is in the state it is in today. Furthermost, my young freind, i would abstain from treating people you don't know as "idiots". Just because you don't have to confront me in the flesh and blood, does'nt give you the "philosophical" right to proclaim i'm an "idiot" by using abstract means such as the net.
terfle1106 5 months ago
@terfle1106 First of all I meant 'convenient' as in 'useful' not 'arbitrary'. Secondly marriage is an abstraction because while you can point out things that are marriages or types of marriages, you cannot point out 'Marriage' in an of itself, anymore than you can point out 'Justice' in and of itself. These things are constructs that we created because they are useful to us for various reason. Also, I called you an idiot for your comment about philosophers, whom you can't appreciate obviously.
gustjorodedheo 5 months ago
@gustjorodedheo : P.S / The concept of 4 and the color red are not "abstractions". They are "conventions". They become abstraction when placed under conditions of "abstractability". This is to say not appertaining to the material reality of nuts and bolts life situations. As for mental not being physical : cut your head off and we'll see if your mental is physical or not. A perturbed mental can find a way of proving to itself that an elephant can hang from a cliff, it's tail tied to a daisy.
terfle1106 5 months ago
His mental constructions are well in place, however, what about destiny through Karma ? What if "God" does'nt play dice with the univers, what if "accident", like hasard and probability are no more than errors of mental appreciation ? What if there is a reality that humains cannot change, alter, or influence, and that we are all individualy concerned by these "invisible forces" ? Seems pretty mentaly fragile to stipulate, as he does, that individualy, we have accidentally become what we are !
terfle1106 1 year ago
I'm sure the 24/7 homosexual propaganda in the mainstream media has nothing to do with it at all.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@MoneyIsSilver That's amazing! Those people are really sneaky! Hiding all that homosexual propaganda right in the middle of all that heterosexuality! What will they do next, start putting teh gay and teh aidS in the air by using airplane contrails?!
gustjorodedheo 5 months ago
@gustjorodedheo I guess you are brainwashed if you can't tell that the media promotes homosexuality.
MoneyIsSilver 5 months ago
@HoratioHarbinger Homosexuality does no harm in society. That's why it's neither here nor there whether they get married. 'Religious' arguments are nothing.
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greemanmoski45 1 year ago
Dude looks like a young, overweight Robert Duvall with a paranoid glare in his eyes...
Concuzzzion 1 year ago
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This guy is totaly wrong. Homosexuals are sick and should be seen as such. They are not in the healthy state of mind. Their lust is the worst kind and it's not something to be promoted and praised. No state of lust should be promoted, not even between man and women, specially not between homosexuals. The world is more degraded day by day... wake up people!
ThePurusha 1 year ago
Good vid, as always. I'm struck, however, by what may be a lack of sophistication on your part: Wealthy people who give the response to their wealth that was given to you (which is, btw, the SAME THING you're making a point about--that their wealth was gained purely by luck, or "blessings") often give such responses to sidestep RESENTMENT from others, by avoiding any hint of superiority. This is often done for SAFETY reasons.
MANY hide, or disparage, their wealth and talents.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
Gay marriage. Two free-thinking individuals decide to cohabitate. The environment that has produced this mutual coupling will eventually result in a lower population of gay individuals due to the absence of child bearing. Or in a worse case scenario the influence of homosexuality will spread and this reduction will be even greater. Love your other videos though.
avstudio1 1 year ago
@HoratioHarbinger: (part 2) As for your point about artificial conception, I have evidence that's morally wrong but it's always rejected. Google olivia pratten. This lady is suing the canadian government to find out who her dad is. She was artificially conceived & suffered years of depression cuz she didn't know who her dad is. This is NEEDLESS suffering to a kid and yet, they want to have gay families.
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@HoratioHarbinger: I hold no rancor against gays as well. What they argue is procreation is NOT a requirement for marriage in civil law which is true actually. They also argue infertile or elderly couples don't procreate so how come they can marry? I do have a counter arguement to those points but it's more in the religious context. (part 1)
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@HoratioHarbinger: The counter arguement is that homosexuality has been observed in about 1500 species in nature. Thus, it is natural. But that is b.s. cuz inbreeding is observed in nature as well; yet, the gays decry the incest comparison. Monogamy is not common in nature and again, the gay community decry the polygamy comparison.
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@HoratioHarbinger: I agree. But this debate could soon be over cuz someone might've found a cure. Do a youtube search on "effect on rat sexual orientation" or just append this to your youTube URL. watch?v=DuWTmd4f7lo
The evidence is compelling. I heard from someone that ever since beef producers have been injecting estrogen hormones into their cattle, the gay population has skyrocketed. Hmmm...coincedence??
pdynamics1 1 year ago
"proximity of some dirt to your mother's womb" wow. amazingly said =]
Leonar12345 1 year ago
Yeah I read that you should strangle children who disobey their parents in the bible too! Idiot. Don't hate on the doctrine, hate the people who have twisted it
splendidoyster3 1 year ago
Yeah I read that you should strangle children who disobey their parents in the bible too! Idiot
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berinaxaule 1 year ago
I recently tried to make this argument to some conservatives about gays: I am straight, and no agenda, conversion technique, persuasion, or tranny porn could make me gay. Because of this, I assume that gay people are in a similar predicament, being gay is built into their biology and not a choice. Well, this argument went over like a lead balloon, they all denied that being gay was a choice, even though they refused to admit that they could ever be persuaded to be gay. Thanks for explaining why.
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
fucking hell man where do you learn all this stuff?!
can i order your bok online or summit because i kinda want it for christmas?
peace out
chakirara 1 year ago
First of all I need to correct your view of Christian theology. The Bible never says that people can choose to be Christians or that we should take pride in our own morality/righteousness. Secondly, it is not the predisposition toward something that is the sin, it is the act. Thirdly, what is your basis for saying something is moral or immoral? If human life is merely a series of chemical accidents, why is it wrong for anyone to kill anyone else, or to say someone deserves death, or to hate?
ericrocksabeard 1 year ago 2
@ericrocksabeard Additionally, I think that you are focusing on the wrong issue here. I thought you were an anarchist, so why would you be advocating for homosexual couples to be recognized by the government? I'd say that is more enslaving than voting for sure!
ericrocksabeard 1 year ago
@ericrocksabeard I think you are misunderstanding human morality. Morality is not exclusive to religion and religion alone.
Human beings as a species are social creatures and it is ingrained into our biology to not be hostile to other humans by nature. It is culture than drives us to build divides with others and to form groups as well.
Also, Marriage is not a "government institution". It is a social union that is psychologicaly satisfying to those that participate in it.
TheNoobasaurusRex 1 year ago
@TheNoobasaurusRex I think you're misunderstanding how Youtube comments work... you just got trolled
kasted 1 year ago
@kasted I'm merely questioning the rationale of atheists having morals. How can mere chemical reactions be "good" or "evil"? What is "murder" to a strictly naturalistic worldview? Merely matter moving about and bumping into other matter. What is the difference between freedom and slavery to a strictly naturalistic worldview? Just different chemical reactions and electric impulses in blobs of chemicals. There is no "moral" or "immoral" or "person" at the logical end of naturalism.
ericrocksabeard 1 year ago
@TheNoobasaurusRex To a naturalist atheist, wouldn't everything be natural? If someone does act hostile, wouldn't it come his nature? Doesn't culture, and therefore division, come from human nature? You like you believe culture is some unnatural extra-human entity that somehow corrupts "true human morality." Where are you getting that from?
I never said marriage is strictly a government institution, but the whole deal with prop 8 in California is about government recognition of unions.
ericrocksabeard 1 year ago
@ericrocksabeard Killing people is generally wrong because no rational person wants to live in a world where we can be killed at any time for any reason. That's morality. It's simply about rational cooperation. Christianity has no morality - in fact it's an immoral system of beliefs for the most part.
MrDarkbloom 1 year ago
I feel fortunate to have been born here. Childhood was far from optimal but every time I think my life is bad I just have to think of all the people in much worse parts of the world who have no choices to make, no hope for a brighter future, who were born in such a situation...and I can't help but feel fortunate that even though things are not perfect here at least I feel relatively safe with little fear of hunger and violence.
Nebbyker 1 year ago