Give me a break - what corporate interest do you represent? 2 billion people live in sickening poverty and in fifty year it will be 5 billion!!!!!!!!!!! What do you hate people?? And while this is happening - nearly half of the species on the planet will go extinct. And you call this a myth? GO LIVE IN TH KIBERA SLUM FOR A WEEK and then post your next video. (search Kibera slum)
This video could try being less partisan and more informative on a debated issue. The world's population didn't run out of food by 1890 as predicted by Malthus, but many people did, have been, are, and will die from lack of food due to overpopulation. Also, if previous theories have been wrong, to whatever extent, should we abandon all similar theories? 'Well in the past some people have wrongly thought it will bring the world to an end, therefore it definitely won't.'
Hear of the children's fable, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf?" Do you know the story? Boy cried wolf all the time, lonely, bored for attention, curious to see if the town's people would really come, to keep the wolf away from the sheep? One day a wolf came, but when he cried Wolf, nobody came. They didn't believe him. Isn't that what enviro-wackos have long been doing? So when or if the real crisis ever comes, why would we believe them then?
@pronatalist In the story: the boy was eaten by the wolf, not the most desirable of outcomes. If humans can't eat they die. Therefore, food affects death-rates death-rates affect population growth.
So what is your point? You agree with me, that enviro-wackos ought to stop lying and exaggerating?
Know what #1 cause of death is, according to a graph in John Stossel's book, "Give Me a Break?" Cigarette smoking? No, I think that was #2. Poverty. So when enviro-wackos, whining about "parts per billion" or whatever, shut down business, drive jobs out of the country, and people are unemployed, it's the enviro-wackos driving up deathrates?
@pronatalist enviro wackos???? what about religious wackos, fundamentalist christians, muslim fenatics, etc, the craziest bunch of cowboys on the face of the planet. Do me a favour, if you ever get sick and need a transplant of some kind, dont go see a doctor, just pray to your shaman or your spiritual healer to fix the job because you would look really silly bagging on science and then when shit hits the fan you come running to science to save your life.
Cigarette smoking took 5 statistic years off the typical person's life. Poverty took off 9 years.
But humans ARE eating. Why do you think pops are spreading so much? Did you know there's an "overpop" theory that we have "too much" food? (Gee, you'd think they would make up their minds which to worry us about? Too little, or too much food? You'd think one would cancel the other one out?) Too much food fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
The maker of this video obviously doesn't understand that the world entered into resource overshoot anywhere from the late 1970s to the mid-1980s and continues to expand only at the whim of fossil fuel production. Television is such a dangerous medium because it encourages its audiences to accept bullshit on an order of magnitude such as this uncritically.
Wake up and see what's really going on. Have a memory, do the research, see the politicians' lies. Do you want a repeat of Jimmy Carter gas lines? Do you want to wait in line for gasoline rationing, in a crowd of angry dangerous people? We were importing but 30% of oil, now we import 70% of oil, largely from countries that hate us. How is that viable? Yet politicians like Obama block domestic oil production,to weaken us,to rob us of jobs, to make us more dependent upon hostile countries
Do you really think, Americans want to give up their freedom of being able to drive anywhere, give up our cars? While people in China and India are getting cars? Do you really want to be herded like cattle, into overcrowded, misrun, subsidized gov monopoly "public transportation" buses, crammed in with smelly people with poor morals?
Why can't we research and develop the "free energy" flying cars, of the future? Or do we want to rush to catch up, when "backwards" China beats us to it?
Don't you understand, the U.S. is the world's last remaining superpower, but we are fast being replaced by China. NWO criminal elitists seem to think, that "superpowers" have to be weakened or destroyed, for how can they create a "new world order" globalist utopia (that can't possibly work as advertised), in a world of countries clinging to "superpower" or "outdated" national sovereignty paradigms? This is not good for Americans needing jobs that can pay the mortgage on our big houses.
Do you like "free" television? Well it's commercials that pay for "free" TV and radio. A pretty good deal, when advertisers don't sell crap and tell lies. But more and more of the media has been bought up by NWO corporations. And that's no coincidence, but by deception design.
Danger of TV isn't the advertising to sell product\consumption, but in that TV does NOT allow honest debate. Why do you think gov is looking to shut down internet? Because we have freedom of speech, debate, here.
Why are the best running-for-office candidates, given so little, if any, coverage on TV? Because they don't meet with NWO approval, and the NWO criminal elites, aim to bias the debate to only get their evil candidates elected. That's not gov of and by and for the people.
They say TV is a communist brainwashing tool. Much of what passes for "entertainment" on TV, promotes evil. There are numerous documentaries that prove this. Such as "Replacement Gods." Turn off TV, read books, Bible.
I oppose abortion and infanticide. Science proves that human life begins at conception. Not before and not after. However, the Church in the USA refuses to condemn circumcision of infant males. The Church is selective in which rights of the child it chooses to defend.
Defend the child's right to bodily integrity and condemn infant male circumcision.
And why would the Church criticize circumcision of males, when the Bible clearly commands it, well at least for faithful Jewish believers in Jesus, who lived in Israel long ago? Many people think it applies to modern times, and most everybody. What? It's fashionable to appear to be "Christian" or something?
Circumcision occurs according to Bible, on the 8th day after birth. Can baby answer, Yes I want it at that age? Therefore, parents are in better position to decide
"faithful Jewish believers in Jeses" Please clarify this. If you are referring to Christians, recall St. Paul's rebuke of St. Peter. A gentile does not have to become a Jew first (with circumcision) in order to become a Christian.
Do you know why and when circumcision became the norm in this "enlightened" country?
Your arguments would work far better, to defend against usage of Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and also to oppose forced vaccinations, which many parents may dispute are dangerous.
I was circumcised as a baby, and glad my parents decided to do that for me, as it's not as easy to be circumcised at an older age. Dad told me some friend of his, was circumcised as an adult, and it increased sensitivity. So then, it's good, and perhaps helps God's people to multiply faster?
It is very difficult discussing this issue with someone who is ignorant of the harm that circumcision does. Educate yourself before you give me your long winded replies. For a start read Sex As Nature Intended It by Kristen O'Hara (2002).
If circumcision is as good as you imply, then why does the Catholic Church not recommend it or command it in predominatnly Catholic countries. In Catholic countries they do not mutilate their baby boys. Educate yourself natalist!
Error. Book you indicated, not found. Seems I don't have that book, so how would I read it? Besides, I have big pile of books on my "To Read" plans already. So why don't you sum up the main points for me?
Do you really want to get me started on Catholicism? Early Church leaders thought Pope was the Anti-Christ. I reject even (Catholic) Sunday-keeping now.
What damage from MALE circumcision? Are some doctors doing it wrong?
I know circumcision is clearly not required, but still good.
From what I hear, circumcision may help make sexual intercourse, all the more pleasurable, perhaps a contributing reason as to why the pops of many nationalities has grown so incredibly large. Jewish people have spread so widely all over the world, far more, than we have been led to believe.
Could that be the true reason that some pagans have gotten onto some bizarre anti-Christian bigotry bandwagon against circumcision? Rebellion against God, and fear pop is getting "out of control?"
Did I not make it clear enough, that circumcision was largely a Jewish thing, that somehow has been widely generalized through much of the civilized world, well America anyway? But what is wrong with this, as circumcision clearly is not forbidden by the Bible, for Gentiles or other countries, but was a commandment given to the Jews?
Anything wrong with seeking the old Jewish roots of our Christian faith, so long as we continue to follow our Lord Yeshua (transliterated poorly as Jesus)
We are all overpopulated, right up to the moment that anyone who writes comments on this video dies, him/herself, and then they cannot write any comment asking for a new birth to replace him/her.
The world is not just for humans and their cars, big houses, fancy gadgets, and all the essentials to a modern life that I and most of the world are accustomed to. What is the point of fitting more human population in the world when it forces many other creature closer to extinction due to lose of habitats so you can have more malls, schools, factories, farms, and jewelries?
What is the point of fitting more human pop into the world? Well people should not be asked to directly pollute their bodies with nasty unnatural Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons. "Artificial" contraceptives have SIDE EFFECTS. "Natural" methods require too much will-power. With "uncontrolled" natural human fertility, human pop is now so "huge" that it rises further easily.
Rampant contraceptive pushing that disrespects human dignity isn't the answer. Populate world denser
This appeals to people who believe that GMO food is good.
The ingestion of The GMO food causes an immune response from the body of the person who eats the food. Their body will believe that those unrecognized proteins (which have been absorbed or assimilated into the system of said organ) as alien and they will proceed to attack the organ in question.
What this means: If you eat GMO food- you may have lack the ability to ponder such a state- simply because the organ in question - is your brain.
Why will pop peak in 30 years? That claim is based upon falling family size, due to the rampant contraceptive pushing. Why isn't pop peaking already? Because old people die, and younger people have babies. "Demographic momentum" as they call it. Today's large and youthful pops, due to past growth. I like to stress the good reasons for encouraging pop growth anyway, for I am not fully convinced pop growth will so conveniently or magically slow down so much.
Morons like pronat has been living a happy-go-lucky life. Its apparent he doesn't know the difficulties of child bearing, raising a child, developing a child, and so forth. For what I know and so does he, uses religion as an excuse for his forgotten, desperate and heartbroken life. All this religion, oh holy religion. You have already stop the advancement of science, society, life, and is continuing the bombardment of lies...please give us a sign, what are you going to do next?
Any moron who claims thats overpopulation is a myth is only tightening the noose around mother earths neck, probably religious, and everybody knows that religion has done nothing but destroy the planet, eg, you guys went into Africa telling them that contraception is against God's will, now look at the place, they cant even feed their dying children, population levels in the third world are exploding to unmanagible levels, resources in first world countries are being raped, there is no hope.
What's the point of the video? Forget about the contraceptive efforts that has been successful in slowing down the population growth? Perhaps we should stop worrying about increasing farming productivity as well.
overpopulation is not a myth! people can't be that naive..the world increases in population by approx. 100,000,000 every year! this is b/c of infinite growth in society... except the earth ONLY has a finite amount of resources!! there just are not enough resources to sustain an infinite growth in society.. so society will collapse just like it has all thru out human history..civilizations grow to quickly, it can't be sustained..the difference today is the use of resources is so spread out
Actually, isn't the official world pop growth numbers, more like 80 or 85 million more people per year? That's not really a lot, considering that we have 7 billion+ people already, and that the planet is still as huge as it ever was.
I agree very much, with the free flow of natural human pop growth, large families to be encouraged, worldwide, so that far more people can experience life. The world can be made to hold countless billions more, by urging denser countries.
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." — Margaret Sanger: "Women and the New Race" (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)
You said, " 'The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.' — Margaret Sanger: 'Women and the New Race' (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)"
I disagree with whoever tried to keep us from seeing your comment, for what was your intent? To tell the truth? Somebody flagged it, because they don't agree with Margaret Sanger's wicked opinion? Neither do I, but they should have replied.
I like you showing her quote, for I hope it shows to all out there, the wickedness of those who "pioneered" the "radical" new ideas of unnatural "family planning."
What part of Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth, God's commandment to people, do we not understand?
I do not agree with murdering "excessive" children born to a family, so the obvious alternative is to actually encourage large families worldwide.
BTW, why is the "characters remaining" counter broken?
At best estimates, in order to occupy the global population in an area thats the size of Texas, you'd need a density of 10,000 people per square kilometer. That certainly rules out homes with yards! But, think about how much space the commercial, industrial and agricultural sectors displace. Think about how much space roads and infrastructure consume. If you add these all together, you'd cram pack an area the size of the US continent.
Think about the RESOURCES consumed to sustain 7 billion!
So why do people need yards anyway? I can think of a few reasons, so as to not have rude neighbors pounding on the thin apartment wall, because your TV is too loud. So the children can have a place to go outside and play. To have space for a storage shed to be added to your yard, to hold what? The tools you need to maintain the yard? Hmm. If I had no yard, then I would need neither? More children don't go outside anyway, but play video games, or can walk to the nearby park.
All the roads and industrial stuff, would fit into Texas as well. You forgot to factor in, in a far denser society, people would not have to travel as far away, for many things. Less traveling, means less roads per capita.
"Everybody could live in Texas," is but a mere illustration that the world is not really "crowded," and could be made to hold far more people, if ever it had to. It is not a recommendation to cram everybody into Texas, for we'd need far better gov first.
@pronatalist Not true at all. The ecological footprint of the average American is 8.0 global hectares per person. That equates to 560,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion.... And thats not taking roads and other industry into account either! Incidentally, thats 56 times the size of the US!
The lowest ecological footprint for a highly developed country is around 2.7 hectares per person. Thats around 189,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion - or 19 times the total land area of the US!
Why do I have to answer your argument? You disproved your own argument already. If "ecological footprint" made any sense, we should all be dead by now? Can't you tell, those estimates are highly made up from no reasonable basis? And "footprints" can overlap. Obviously, land influences can be multiple and overlapping, so if human "ecological footprint" exceeds 100% of earth's surface, what does that mean really? Nothing much, other than that humans dominate, as Genesis 1: 26 says we do
@pronatalist The total biomass currently used is around 11.2 billion hectares or 11.2 million square kilometers. Incidentally, that figure includes land and sea. If everybody lived like Americans did (which is how EVERYBODY should live), the there wouldn't be nearly enough space for us on this earth.
You are correct when stating that overlap exists, but this is due to statistical error. After all, you can't grow wheat and corn from the same root!
I read somewhere 11% of land is used to grow food. And probably not in the most efficient ways, but rather, whatever the market demands, and ridiculous gov meddling, demands.
I wasn't talking of insignificant statistical rounding error overlaps. But rather, land can do many things at the same time. Pump oil, produce natural gas, and crops, for instance.
If everybody lived like Americans, world could be populate far more densely, due to public sanitation (toilets), trash collection.
I don't believe any of the "ecological footprint" numbers, for aren't those the same enviro-nuts, who are already claiming that we need 4 earths? But we aren't dead yet? So they must be liars.
And how exactly do you prove that "like Americans" is how everybody should live? Oh, you mean materialistically pseudo-rich based upon fraudulent gov debt finances, "liar loan" home mortgages, rather than poor with big families? Some enviro-wackos say world shouldn't be allowed to live like us?
I don't believe any of the "ecological footprint" numbers, for aren't those the same enviro-nuts, who are already claiming that we need 4 earths? But we aren't dead yet? So they must be liars.
And how exactly do you prove that "like Americans" is how everybody should live? Oh, you mean materialistically pseudo-rich based upon fraudulent gov debt finances, "liar loan" home mortgages, rather than poor with big families? Some enviro-wackos say world shouldn't be allowed to live like us?
@pronatalist Ecological footprint is more about sustainability. Oil / natural gas and coal are non-renewable so they factor in a lot more than say, crops.
Yes, I do believe the rest of the world should live at a high material standard, if they can earn it, and if that's what they want. But it does sound a bit smug and condescending, to suggest that America is the model that the whole world should want to emulate. Why? Should the world copy our corrupt phony left-leaning Sunday-keeping Churches, rather than remember the Sabbath as the 4th of the 10 Commandments says? Or perhaps all countries should "print" their currencies into oblivion?
@pronatalist Printing currency into oblivion has a lot to do with overconsumption - one of the distinct consequences of overpopulation. Lmao.
I'm not American, but my country's ethos is easily comparable to that of the USA's. We actually have a better standard of life here in Australia; second only to Norway.
I also do not believe that people in other countries, necessarily need a typical American-style 3-bedroom house, in order to be blessed with a big family. Many big families live in a single room. A big or American-sized house, would be nice, but is not a prerequisite to having more children, a child being of greater value than a house anyhow.
I don't see people growing their crops on their roofs, nor everybody growing a garden filling their entire yard to the curb, so plenty of space.
@pronatalist You speak of dignity. Where's the dignity in living one on top of the other (in a literal sense)? Where's the dignity in sharing eachother's filth?
If you like that mentality, then pack your things and go to China or India. Somewhere like Macau will do nicely. See if you can live in the communal sense and still remain even moderately dignified. Better yet, try and raise a family in those conditions. Put your money where your mouth is and THEN get back to me.
The dignity is that each and every person is of immense and sacred value. Therefore, we do not have any right to impose any arbitrary "limit" upon how many people there can be. Only God can determine such things. Each and every person has a basic and God-given right to live, which includes the obvious right to procreate "unlimited" children. As pops naturally grow denser, we can have to something to make sure there is a place for everybody. If living "stacked" helps, then so be it.
@pronatalist I think that when balanced on a fulcrum, the negatives overwhelm any perceived positives. If you think that more population makes for a better society, you are severely disillusioned. Today, I drove into the city during peak hour. Never in my life have I witnessed such cut throat, selfish driving - and not too long ago, I worked as a commercial driver! Every year it gets worse and worse because people are sick and tired of the rat race. AND YOU"RE ENCOURAGING MORE POP GROWTH???
Sharing each other's filth? What? What are you talking about? Countries such as India that have naturally grown so dense, that they now have more people than acres of land, do need to make a few modern adaptations, such as installing indoor flush toilets. With human anuses growing in numbers and having to populate denser together, it becomes even more important to keep waste water and drinking water separate. This is not so much a pop issues, as a gov corruption and economic issue.
Plenty of evidence. Stop being so lazy and inform yourself. You can easily research endless "conspiracy theories," all over YouTube and the internet, so you have no excuse but your own intellectual laziness.
Why do you accuse me of being a liar? Like I said, have you offered to pay for my move? If certain objections I have listed, were corrected in India, and I could easily get Residency, I might actually consider moving there.
Commodities trader Jim Rogers, says future is in Asia.
Without "more pop," where would you and I be? "World pop is barely large enough for you and I to have been born," somebody said.
If we could ease down the magic pop dial of the world, do you really think world would become "less crowded?" Not at all. Horror of horrors, you or I would disappear, but not until countless friends and relatives you know, vanish. How will you repair your car, when your mechanic, vanishes? How about finding a new dentist or doctor, because yours vanished?
@pronatalist Funny you should mention mechanics. My family are currently juggling between 3 mechanics. One for each car! Doctor? There are 4 medical centers down the road from me. Each employ at least two dozen GP's.
So there will be less GP's... There will also be less people.
I found my city more livable when the pop was MUCH lower - incidentally, this was not too long ago.
It sounds like your city, may have grown a lot more, than the general size of the Australian pop. Care to explain this? How then, is this a pop issue, and not an economic issue?
And isn't it your own fault? What makes you so lazy, that you can't move to a smaller town? Is a city supposed to stay the same forever? If so many people are flocking to the city, then maybe, at least they, think it's a great place to live. But you were there first, so you think OK to slam door in their face?
If India is so "overpop," then why do so many people keep having so many babies? Problem is not "overpop," but lack of proper development, corrupt gov, "printable" fiat paper currency dishonest money, that encourages rampant gov and business financial fraud at the expense of good jobs for the working poor.
Why don't you ask yourself more logical questions, like how did so many people of India, become so affluent that they could leave, in the first place? While living in India?
Do you believe in God? A Supreme being who created people, for some intelligent reason?
Then how can there possibly be human "overpop?" NWO lies, to cover for their own sabotage of economies? Did God "goof" and make people, too fertile? What is the purpose of the human reproductive system for?
Crowding is caused, not by rising pop, but due to poverty. Poverty is caused by sin and gov corruption, and the dishonest paper fiat currencies world is now awash in. We need honest diagnosis.
@pronatalist Yes, I believe in God. But I also believe in plague.
Every creature has a predator - except humans. Our ingenuity has even made us impervious to disease.
I believe that God intended for us to reproduce, but in a sustainable manner. Do you believe that God intended for things to be the way they are now? I'm not fundamentally religious, but I'm sure that it has even been stated that our 'illumination' will invariably lead to our demise.
What do you mean, you believe in plague? Did you mean to insinuate, human pop is fast growing towards "plague-like global densities?" First of all, we aren't growing all that fast really. And second of all, if the human race is spreading wildly into a vast "global plague," then why would you think there is any possible stopping it? As somebody said, "Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, all do their part to make sure the pop never goes down."
Are you offering to finance my move, and get me Residency? China is obviously not a place for me, for I do not believe in using many means of "birth control." Does China accept foreigners moving in, and having 10 or however many children? India might allow families of "unlimited" size, being a supposed democracy and all, and supposedly having to answer to their people, but according to John Stossel, India requires excessive paperwork to start a business, then they don't process it.
@pronatalist No, I'm certainly not offering. If you're suggesting that is the only factor which prevents you from living in those conditions, I am virtually certain you are lying.
I have no objection to India hopefully allowing pop to grow naturally "wild," as I believe more and more people would be glad to live, but even India needs to do a better job using modern technologies to better ADAPT to letting pop get so dense. Singapore is very dense, but also very clean.
However, due to high pop density in Singapore, I expect Singapore is a good place for RICH people to move to. Can I move to Singapore, and expect affordable stacked housing unit of decent size?
So are you saying that even the U.S. has now grown too dense? Shh. I don't think politicians want you saying that, for they still fear the people somewhat and like to get elected?
U.S. "printing" currency into oblivion, is not caused by U.S. having world's 3rd most largest pop, but by rampant gov corruption. Liberals went on crazy spending spree, and then have nerve to dump mess on Republicans and expect Republicans to take blame of budget "cuts" to fix corrupt waste, union payoffs?
Fiat paper currency fraud, has a lot to do with wrong philosophies of communists like Maynard Keynes, who make up lies to expand role of gov into our lives. We don't need more gov spending, for that undercuts the work ethic, robs people of the fruits of their labors, and robs the capital out of capitalism. The more gov spends, the less say the people have, and the less available for private consumer spending. Less money available for starting new companies, and more capital flight.
@pronatalist To put it lightly, thats just an excuse. Price of living increases proportionally with pop growth - it has to do with supply vs. demand. Surely enough, pop growth leads increased inflation which is soon followed by increased interest.
Needless to say, increased interest leads to increased debt.
Just an excuse? So what is your explanation? To simply parrot NWO lies without thinking? Obviously, there's at least 2 sides to a story, but increasingly we hear on the NWO-dominated news, but only 1 side?
Price-of-living has not increased, in terms of "honest money." You can still buy a gallon of gasoline for a quarter, provided it's a quarter minted before 1965 that happens to be 90% silver. Why? So far apparently, gov is not able to "print" rare precious metals into oblivion.
@pronatalist Yes... "honest money". Go look up how much money is printed globally per annum and then compare this to the total amount of precious metal that is extracted from the earth on an annual basis. Even with Gold and Silver standards, there would still be INFLATION - this would become EVEN more apparent if the pop continued increasing.
What is money anyway? A representation of a person's labor, quantified into an easily tradable financial instrument. Why does gov ban counterfeiting? bumper sticker: "Don't steal, the gov hates competition." Yet we have gov massive counterfeiting but they call it QE2, to confuse gullible. Counterfeiting is lying, saying you have done the tradable work, when you haven't, but merely "printed" false instruments. Honest work has to be done, to mine more gold or silver, maintaining value.
"Supply and demand" is a lie and a crutch. For let's look at the data honestly. Factories mass-produce stuff. Typical American home has gained both number of bathrooms, and square footage, even while typical family size has shrank. The world is increasingly awash in useful gadgets, cellphones, computers, TVs. We have more stuff per capita, than ever. So supply has indeed increased. Obesity is a growing problem. Too much food? Too little exercise? Yet our fiat plummets due to printing.
Why do I have to explain all the myriad of implications, "free energy" could have on boosting an economy to better cater to an enlarged and denser, naturally-growing pop?
You don't care, because you don't buy many cellphones? You don't consider using a charger a burden. Okay, let's talk milk and bread. Milk and bread would be CHEAPER, if the trucks that deliver them, run on "free energy" nuclear low-energy reactors. No costly diesel nor gasoline.
Again, where's your imagination? Israel not long ago, was barren neglected desert land. And yet they have greened it up, and made it beautiful.
What does desert land lack, that more of, makes it even more livable and desirable? How about, water. Ever look at a globe? What is that blue stuff all over? Could it be, water? But ocean water is too salty. Really? What does it require, to make water desalination more affordable? How about cheap energy. No, make that "free energy."
What's wrong with you Aussies? You afraid that your beautiful, nearly forgotten continent, may someday be as densely populated as our United States? What's so wrong with that? Why is it okay for us to have to find or make place for many 100s of millions of people, but you live with 2-digit millions, incredibly pop phobic?
Isn't it possible with just a little bit of work, most all of Australia would seem inhabitable to at least some people? What? Fear of living in "middle of nowhere?"
You cited stats, that sound like gov propaganda. Gov stats used to means something, in America, but now are little more than gov feel-good lies. We are supposedly in economic "recovery," yet nobody I know, can find any signs of it. So many are out of work, and so many vacant homes all around after housing bubble collapsed. Unemployment is 22% at least, using more honest accounting methods, such as old gov formulas even.
Australia better than America? Yeah, we are "has been" country.
So your stats are U.S. gov propaganda? That's not going to help me believe them. Our current corrupt regime, has practically no credibility left, that they should be believed.
As money theory goes, since both the pop and the supply of goods and services are growing, the supply of money probably ought to grow in direct proportion with this growth, otherwise, money would appreciate in value, just by holding onto it, often called "deflation." Gold mining adjusts to this, automatically.
Money is not only supposed to be a convenient financial instrument of trade, but also a reliable "store of value," which fiat paper is clearly not. There is little danger of any serious amount of "deflation" in this fiat paper "inflationary" taxation-of-the-most-poor, NWO scheme.
If gold or silver appreciates wildly in value, it's not due to some sudden scarcity of the metals, but rather a panic "flight to safety" of people making a run on the dollar, wanting something more tangible.
Where did I ever say, that people must be forced to cram into the biggest cities? If that's people's choice, then I can't help that. However, why are we not using technology more, to make it easier for people to run their own businesses from home, out in the countryside or wherever?
Don't tell me you can't find any escape from "crowded" rat-race in sparsely-populated Australia. You just don't want to move. You like your job or something. That's an economic issue, not a pop issue.
@pronatalist A very small portion of Australia is actually inhabitable and these areas are generally where density is increasing. Farming is touch and go in this nation and everybody needs a job - so you must settle where you need to settle.
I've watched a lot of The Jetsons futuristic cartoons. Did you know that Mr. George Jetson works 3 hours a day, 3 days a week? And that's typical "full time" job apparently? Is that a natural result of future "overpop?" I think I can live with a 9-hour workweek, and much more time with family. They live in nice spacious highrise family condo with flying cars. Skies wouldn't be so congested, if Jane Jetson could find better hobby than always-shopping.She hasn't heard of Amazon or Ebay?
How is your standard of living better in Australia? Specify? Prove it. From my vantage point, you Aussies are allowing a few people to give Australia a bad image, by talking crazy talk about how Australia will be "destroyed" if pop is allowed to grow to a mere 35 or 50 million people, which obviously would take some time to occur anyway. Uh, hello! We in the U.S. have 310 million, nearly a third of a billion, and are we destroyed by so many? No. It's our own sin and gov destroying us.
@pronatalist Look at HDI index, life expectancy, GINI index, GDP PPP, literacy rates, livability studies, petty crime rates, violent crime rates (inc. murder), public debt levels etc, etc. Australia consecutively ranks better that America!
Our American founding fathers, warned us to use actual gold and silver, for they knew gov couldn't resist the temptation to rob the working poor people by "printing" money. How do you think our rampant socialism and gov dependency class, is paid for and bought off? And so we are losing our freedom.
Why do toilet-rooms in India, have to be communal? If economy was run right, people should have bathrooms right inside their own homes.
Where are the modern self-cleaning public toilets?
They say there's so much coal, as to last for centuries more. Do you really think that coal will be among the cheapest energy sources, a century from now? What? Is there to be absolutely no technology progress, in violation of most everything that history teaches us? Natural gas burns cleanly, yet why are you ignoring what I said about the "free energy" suppression or gov coverup? I did write of that on this video comments?
Does NWO hate "free energy" because it leads to denser pop?
Thin apartment walls, would not be a problem, if condo and apartment walls, were made more sound-proof and fire-proof. I presume that premium, more costly units, could have better walls. But if you want cheapo affordable housing, then either "thin walls," or go find some countryside in "the middle of nowhere" or whatever. Even dense countries can have lots of houses with yards, but probably not so much in the center of huge city,where people bid up land costs to high levels
We would not be overpopulated based on numbers alone. However, the impact each individual has on the planet's resources, especially Americans, is the source of the problem.
@jewfrok actually its not just "americans".. people like to blame us tho b/c, well we are a major source of the problem.. but China now exceeds USA in emissions and pollution output for nearly a decade now.. And Europe as a whole is just as bad.. so even if you take USA out of the equation, the issue is the same..
Americans = 3% world population or 312 million account for 22% of the world's oil consumption. And then complain when fuel gets close to $4/gallon. Yes Americans, supply and demand economics do apply to you.
@jewfrok It's more about the 'built to spill' legislation that runs (and ruins) everyone's life. How did the pursuit of happiness get replaced by the pursuit of pleasure...?
"Free money for schills and traitors" is sent from the (so-called) non-profit orgs and powerful lobbies that finance the breakdown of American society at every level. America has been divided and the ubiquity of their evil influence has been the root cause and continues to exacerbated the problems in society today.
well now that's quite the load of lies... anyone who would rather hear the truth can type:
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"
(i know the name is a bit retarded but its not a troll)
it is an 8 part lecture on arithmetic, population and energy by Dr.Albert A.Bartlett and unlike this nicely animated video it actually provides some facts
@shoukan13 I have to agree, I even went to the head of the math department in my college to verify I was not missing something in the equation. These people even say that the population will climb up to a point and then go down... what they don't say is how will that happen.
@shoukan13 Sure, if you keep your mind in the little Tavistock/Stanford shoebox your 'bettors' have fashioned for you.
Luckily, there are a few of us left with a real education.
It's about central control- not only of resources- but of information - The morally-bankrupt 'science-based' view that is posed in the video to which you refer is for people distracted enough to believe this view- without taking care to perform the due-diligence required to conduct competent research.
But the "huge" world pop is not killing the earth. Look around you, don't you see the signs of spring? Grass and weeds starting to grow again. They say the grass is greenest over the septic tank. Be honest, nature likes human pop growing really big, for in nature, life spreads into most every niche it can. Nature likes our carbon dioxide that people and our machines, breathe out
What's killing our countries, is not baby booms, but the rampant socialism of NWO and libs
Finally somebody who get it. See? There's benefits to letting human pops rise. If sex is so wonderful like sex-crazed world makes it out to be, then why not let pops rise, so that more people can enjoy sex, among other things? This insane world is maddening
Yes, the more pop, the more "hot girls," the more potential profits, more tax revenues, more inventions, more places to shop, more great teachers, so many additional potential benefits from simply letting pops grow
Well, as you did not give us the data to do the maths, 7 Billion people now, growth rate of 1.1% (CIA Factbook) = 14 billion in only 63 years. OK, at a .5% growth rate, 14 billion in 120 years. Don't concentrate on the growth RATE. Just add up the number of people. 7billion people in Texas = 9.3sq meters per person. Plenty of room for everyone, not.
I see no problem with the world having perhaps reached 14 billion people by 2074. You mean, 63 years isn't enough time to prepare? Not enough time to build lots more cities and suburbs, or wherever so many people might choose to live? So what is man supposed to do for all that time? Be unemployed and watch NWO-brainwashing TV all day every day? In fact, we ought to be multiplying our numbers, even faster.
Make gov release "free energy" and flying saucer technologies.
@pronatalist You have to be pulling my leg! Very funny, thanks, I needed the laugh. It's not lots more cities and infra structure, it's double what we have now. It took humans 10,000 years to build the cities we have now and so we just double the number of cities in 63 years? Build them on the West Bank, I presume? Forget the cities, where would the food and water and energy come from, oh, that's right "free energy" Hahaahahahahha!!!
Why would I be pulling your leg? Pop is rising still, whether you like it or not. We have to put more billions, somewhere? I presume putting them on the moon, is not an option yet, especially considering that the moon landings were probably faked.
If cities double in size + double in number, that's roughly 4 times the pop, well except only half of people live in cities. Therefore, double pop, probably does not mean, double the cities, rather, more, and bigger cities.
But let's say, not many people want to live in the countryside anymore, nor do they want to live in the biggest cities, so for whatever reasons, number of cities doubles. Yes, 63 years is plenty of time to build so many cities. Think of all the jobs, and all the money people would love to spend, in order to buy homes to have a place to live. Where to build so many cities? In between the other various growing cities.
Ever seen how they can move a house? You aren't using much imagination at all. If the future has flying cars, then why not, flying cranes? Without using roads, there's not the limit on height nor width, of a house being moved down a street.
If world pop manages to soar all the more, why can't we have better technologies, to factory-produce houses? Just put down a cement slab, and hook up some utilities, and fly a new house, mass-produced by robots, right into place.
House structure could also be improved. Today's houses are a bit too much like match-sticks nailed together. Withstands most normal weather, but not so easy to hook up to a crane. Add in a basic steel frame of some sort, and houses could be mass-produced, with handy crane hoist points in the roof. And these days, steel is not the only strong material available.
Maybe why number of cities may double, is many improvements will do away with shanties, homes get larger?
"Peak population" is a prediction only. As of now, no signs of it are visible. But the really distorting figure in the clip is the statement that "every family can have a house and a yard and it will fit into Texas". While this may be mathematically true, the ecological footprint of a family is much larger than a suburban home and yard. Consider the land use by all the imported products from food to wood to cotton clothing to water to metals, plastics and oil. You cannot get that from your yard.
What do you mean, no signs of "peak pop" is visible? Are you blind? "Peak pop" makes more sense than "peak oil" of which there is no evidence, only hearsay lies. "Peak pop" is coming?, due to sharply declined birthrates. Births still outpace deaths, because we have huge youth bulge from past growth, "pop momentum" still because younger people reproduce and have babies, while people tend not to die until they are oil.
I prefer much, better arguments against the pop phobics trying to impose pop "control," than trendy "peak pop" argument, because what if world pop doesn't peak, but simply continues to grow and grow, no end ever in sight? "Demographic transition theory," and its related ideas of of "pop momentum" due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives? People were not designed to use "birth control" and I advocate large families
I respect the "peak pop" argument, because it's not made up, as so many NWO lies are, but is based upon a reasonable extrapolation of the current statistics. But I am not satisfied with the "peak pop" will be reached in 30 years or so, argument, because we are still not sure of this. The better argument, is to show how continued pop growth is good, and that the world could be made somehow to hold lots more people
I did not mean to place a question mark (?) after " 'Demographic transition theory,' and its related ideas of 'pop momentum' due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives." I consider "Demographic transition theory" to be an outright NWO fraud, because there's nothing about having money that magically sterilizes the reproductive organs. Rich people especially, ought to be able to afford to have naturally large families.
Anonymous: Their is Enough for 7 Billion but not Enough for the Greed of The Few!
Pretty Informative on how we can all live on an acre and still have 80% of the land available and showing how to grow enough food and the energy needed to be sustainable from this insane existence, where we act like The Earth is Infinite.
That attitude cannot continue or our future definitely wont.
This video is sorta like saying there 326 million trillion gallons of water. Humans need about 2 quarts a day x 6.8 billion people means that there should be plenty of water for everyone!!! It completely ignores the idea that over-population isn't just about "square footage" of people's living habitat. But it has to do with natural resources and agriculture and pollution... simply, over population isn't a question that can be solved with just "doing the math"...
So our new houses and yards take up all of texas, how much arible land do we need in addition for agriculture and it's necessary supporting biosphere?
How much do we have?
Which way are the figures trending, how fast and what are the controls? (if any)
THATS RIGHT DO THE MATHS
Damn ignorant Americans think they have an opinion on everything, half of them don't even accept evolution ffs =/
@MaxSafeheaD This has nothing to DO with Americans. Just because these people who created this video are American, doesn't mean that you can generalize all Americans as idiots who don't get it. Thats ridiculous. Let's not forget that it was an AMERICAN from Stanford who championed this truth and caused the UNFPA. Put your ignorance asideand focus on the real issue, please. Overpopulation is a global problem, not an American one.
Are you talking about that evil pop phobic, Paul Ehrlich? It's people like him, who give our universities a bad name. I wonder how much money he has made, writing his discredited "overpop" scare-monger books? If the world wasn't so populated, he would have made far less money? If there weren't so many gullible Americans, he would have been fired as a insane crackpot long ago. If I was a student there, I'd try to switch to somebody else's section class. He's no professor.
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO? That you would even ask such a ridiculous question, shows you don't know the first thing about NWO, Illuminatti, Masons, or much of anything as conspiracy theories go. NWO is all about causing harm to people, to societies. Is that of God, or of rebellion against God? Watch some of the NWO YouTube videos, as I can't present every little detail to somebody too lazy to do any work or learn.
You don't understand the pop situation. Malthusian gloom-and-doom has never been proven. Humans ADAPT. God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Where is the spectacular pop bust? Either there is none, or NWO is not satisfied, and is trying to help it to occur.
Know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. So you are against freedom? Yes, let huge world pop grow naturally "wild," although I don't consider it unordered "chaos."
In spite of all the gov interference, and U.S. gov squandering our money, paying farmers to not produce food, farmers still feed the growing world pop. More mouths to feed, means more profits for farmers, yet NWO Satanists continue to debase currencies and rob the productive people of the fruits of their labors?
Let human pops grow naturally, without any imposed "control" on how numerous we might become. Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man.
Resources aren't so finite, as NWO would like for you to believe. Gov is probably hiding "free energy" and flying saucers from us. We have oil and natural gas most everywhere around us, but they can only drill for it, mostly in countries that hate us? Because gullible Americans don't need jobs, and don't need prosperity?
Rising human pop, shows we are doing something right.
Free energy? Flying saucers? NWO? Over population is good news?
You're clearly insane.
Incidentally Obamas answer to the economic crisis Bush's hands-off approach created has allowed America to weather the storm FAR better than the CONservative gov in the UK has done. We have austerity here compounding the credit crunch and it's screwed
us. The bailout shouldn't have happened IMO but for anarcho-capitalist conservatives it was pay-day.
Bush was 3 years ago. You Obama-tons can't just keep blaming everything on Bush. When are you going to own up to, Obama's making things worse? Was FDR's Great Depression, also Bush's fault?
Bush was hands off? We haven't had true freedom nor capitalism, for some time. Many problems date back to Carter and before. 1913, creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System of central bank-sters, manipulating and stealing from the economy.
If I'm supposedly "insane" to mention "free energy" and flying saucers, then tell me, why do people often accept that idea, that maybe gov is hiding such things? Tell me why. What is your explanation for UFO sitings? Is it really morons wanting to get in the news? A cover story for something? Why is experimental gov "test craft" such a common theory?
That huge human pops keep growing, of course is good news. Shows we are at least solving some problems, living longer.
Are you in the UK? I don't think the UK has conservative gov.
Here in America, they say that today's conservatives, are the liberals of decades ago. Know what that means? That means, today's conservatives are as liberal as liberals of decades ago. That the social mores are in serious decline, and the country is tilting more and more communist, sort of like a doomed ship that is listing over to one side, only a matter of time before it sinks.
So you are saying that we should expand simply because we can. I am saying that considering the technological lifestyle that the developing and devloped all nations are chasing, it is unsustainable for the current world population or larger populations to live that way. Put rats in a room with food and what will they do? Eat and breed themselves into oblivion with no kind of foresight of possible consequences for what they are doing. We humans have minds we should not go the same route
Not saying to expand, just because we can. But because God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Expand, because the history of "birth control" stinks. Is practically putrid. I am saying to expand, because more and more people would be glad to live. Expand, to fight the evil NWO.
Rats has nothing to do with it. What do I care about rats? I am not a rat. People can ADAPT. We know our numbers are rising gradually, and can plan ahead for that.
I try to observe the Old Testament, and the New Testament, better than most so-called Christians do. A good start is to actually read what the text says. I am also studying the "lost books" of the Bible, and Hebrew.
I do not believe in "slow down on this baby making stuff," for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. That means to reject "birth control" and allow baby booms to emerge, intensify, spread naturally and "wildly" "out of control."
Actually, the King James Version uses the word "replenish." Which the dictionary says means "fill." Other versions, use the word "fill."
Everybody I asked in an informal poll of friends and coworkers, said God's commandment to multiply, still applies. Even some guy who said world pop is huge, but yeah, it still applies. Perhaps people don't want to be told how many children they can have.
Fill earth won't be accomplished, until God says it is. It's a process, so keep on.
@pronatalist Get a grip man. The more people on this earth, the more amplified our problems will be. That is how it has always been, and recently has been getting a lot worse. Your intellect is the only thing that God has given you that separates you from animals.Use it
But what is the purpose for people to use intellect anyway? To find more ways to oppress one another? To accumulate lots of fairly useless and costly toys, like boats, RVs, and sportscars? No, among the best ways to use human intellect, is to deliberately work towards, and develop proper technologies, to allow and welcome world pop to rise naturally, and to assist all countries to comfortably and safely, grow naturally,ever denser with people, so that more people can live
That is absurd. Do you keep your "populator" in your pants, that is, if you are a man? If I have a wive, then my "populator" belongs in my wife's birth canal hole, to allow vital semen and whatever babies God may allow us, to flow freely. Birthing babies, is just as natural and proper, as breathing and eating, a natural life process. Also what we should expect, when people understandably find their practical and "religious" objections to "birth control."
@pronatalist Your mind is comprised of feces. Keep your peepee in your pants. Control your sex drive by running four miles everyday and bathing in hot water.
You need hard work and lots of it. Get out of your mom's basement, get off the computer and get some manual labor.
"peepee?" What? Why do you talk to me, like I am some little kid? I like the term "populator" or "impregnator" better. Little boys have "peepees," because some parents are too embarassed to user proper body anatomy terms, such as "penis." Either that, or they don't want their children using "inappropriate" words in public or talking to their friends.
But adult male humans, do not have little "peepees" anymore, but penises that swell to a big size to implant semen for babies.
Curb my sexuality? How about we do as the Bible says, and avoid fornication and adultery? But for those people blessed enough to be married, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
Curb our sexuality? Really? In a society that glamorizes sex, with immoral Sex Ed that encourages young (unmarried) people to indulge in sex? Sex everywhere, on TV, on the computer, in our popular music.
So love, or is that sex?, makes the world go round? Do it moral, and let babies happen.
You're clearly yet another person blinded by religious distraction.
I would urge you to come back to the real world but to be honest, I'd rather spend my time looking after people in need through no fault of their own.
And how is you or I, having a few less children, depriving us of blessings, depriving our future children of life, going to keep people in the populous countries from continuing to "fill the earth," nor keep Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims from doing their part to make sure pop never goes down, as somebody said?
There's not just 1, but 3 perceptional dimensions we can yet spread into: Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards. Spread out, spread together, stack upwards into the sky.
The answer is not have to rebel against God, and get the naturally-swelling world pop more "under control," but rather, submit to God that God knows best, and if needed, explore how to allow the planet to naturally grow more dense with people. God's commandment implies, it is God who shall determine our ultimate pop size, not man.
You can see the proper course of action, even in people's innocent comments. "Lots of place to put more people," they say? Okay, let's do it.
Give me a break - what corporate interest do you represent? 2 billion people live in sickening poverty and in fifty year it will be 5 billion!!!!!!!!!!! What do you hate people?? And while this is happening - nearly half of the species on the planet will go extinct. And you call this a myth? GO LIVE IN TH KIBERA SLUM FOR A WEEK and then post your next video. (search Kibera slum)
ShalomYal 6 hours ago
This video could try being less partisan and more informative on a debated issue. The world's population didn't run out of food by 1890 as predicted by Malthus, but many people did, have been, are, and will die from lack of food due to overpopulation. Also, if previous theories have been wrong, to whatever extent, should we abandon all similar theories? 'Well in the past some people have wrongly thought it will bring the world to an end, therefore it definitely won't.'
mrfrankincense 1 day ago
@mrfrankincense
Hear of the children's fable, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf?" Do you know the story? Boy cried wolf all the time, lonely, bored for attention, curious to see if the town's people would really come, to keep the wolf away from the sheep? One day a wolf came, but when he cried Wolf, nobody came. They didn't believe him. Isn't that what enviro-wackos have long been doing? So when or if the real crisis ever comes, why would we believe them then?
Food isn't a constraint on HUMAN pop growth.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist In the story: the boy was eaten by the wolf, not the most desirable of outcomes. If humans can't eat they die. Therefore, food affects death-rates death-rates affect population growth.
mrfrankincense 1 day ago
@mrfrankincense
So what is your point? You agree with me, that enviro-wackos ought to stop lying and exaggerating?
Know what #1 cause of death is, according to a graph in John Stossel's book, "Give Me a Break?" Cigarette smoking? No, I think that was #2. Poverty. So when enviro-wackos, whining about "parts per billion" or whatever, shut down business, drive jobs out of the country, and people are unemployed, it's the enviro-wackos driving up deathrates?
Banned DDT, so more could die of Malaria.
pronatalist 20 hours ago
@pronatalist enviro wackos???? what about religious wackos, fundamentalist christians, muslim fenatics, etc, the craziest bunch of cowboys on the face of the planet. Do me a favour, if you ever get sick and need a transplant of some kind, dont go see a doctor, just pray to your shaman or your spiritual healer to fix the job because you would look really silly bagging on science and then when shit hits the fan you come running to science to save your life.
MrJulz26 11 hours ago
@mrfrankincense
Cigarette smoking took 5 statistic years off the typical person's life. Poverty took off 9 years.
But humans ARE eating. Why do you think pops are spreading so much? Did you know there's an "overpop" theory that we have "too much" food? (Gee, you'd think they would make up their minds which to worry us about? Too little, or too much food? You'd think one would cancel the other one out?) Too much food fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
Pop is what it is.
pronatalist 20 hours ago
The maker of this video obviously doesn't understand that the world entered into resource overshoot anywhere from the late 1970s to the mid-1980s and continues to expand only at the whim of fossil fuel production. Television is such a dangerous medium because it encourages its audiences to accept bullshit on an order of magnitude such as this uncritically.
man8785 1 day ago
@man8785
Wake up and see what's really going on. Have a memory, do the research, see the politicians' lies. Do you want a repeat of Jimmy Carter gas lines? Do you want to wait in line for gasoline rationing, in a crowd of angry dangerous people? We were importing but 30% of oil, now we import 70% of oil, largely from countries that hate us. How is that viable? Yet politicians like Obama block domestic oil production,to weaken us,to rob us of jobs, to make us more dependent upon hostile countries
pronatalist 1 day ago
@man8785
Do you really think, Americans want to give up their freedom of being able to drive anywhere, give up our cars? While people in China and India are getting cars? Do you really want to be herded like cattle, into overcrowded, misrun, subsidized gov monopoly "public transportation" buses, crammed in with smelly people with poor morals?
Why can't we research and develop the "free energy" flying cars, of the future? Or do we want to rush to catch up, when "backwards" China beats us to it?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@man8785
Don't you understand, the U.S. is the world's last remaining superpower, but we are fast being replaced by China. NWO criminal elitists seem to think, that "superpowers" have to be weakened or destroyed, for how can they create a "new world order" globalist utopia (that can't possibly work as advertised), in a world of countries clinging to "superpower" or "outdated" national sovereignty paradigms? This is not good for Americans needing jobs that can pay the mortgage on our big houses.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@man8785
Do you like "free" television? Well it's commercials that pay for "free" TV and radio. A pretty good deal, when advertisers don't sell crap and tell lies. But more and more of the media has been bought up by NWO corporations. And that's no coincidence, but by deception design.
Danger of TV isn't the advertising to sell product\consumption, but in that TV does NOT allow honest debate. Why do you think gov is looking to shut down internet? Because we have freedom of speech, debate, here.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@man8785
Why are the best running-for-office candidates, given so little, if any, coverage on TV? Because they don't meet with NWO approval, and the NWO criminal elites, aim to bias the debate to only get their evil candidates elected. That's not gov of and by and for the people.
They say TV is a communist brainwashing tool. Much of what passes for "entertainment" on TV, promotes evil. There are numerous documentaries that prove this. Such as "Replacement Gods." Turn off TV, read books, Bible.
pronatalist 1 day ago
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WOW, these guys really don't understand exponential functions.
TheDreamMasterAB 1 day ago
I oppose abortion and infanticide. Science proves that human life begins at conception. Not before and not after. However, the Church in the USA refuses to condemn circumcision of infant males. The Church is selective in which rights of the child it chooses to defend.
Defend the child's right to bodily integrity and condemn infant male circumcision.
ZLarryZB 2 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@ZLarryZB
And why would the Church criticize circumcision of males, when the Bible clearly commands it, well at least for faithful Jewish believers in Jesus, who lived in Israel long ago? Many people think it applies to modern times, and most everybody. What? It's fashionable to appear to be "Christian" or something?
Circumcision occurs according to Bible, on the 8th day after birth. Can baby answer, Yes I want it at that age? Therefore, parents are in better position to decide
Yes, circumcision
pronatalist 2 days ago
@pronatalist
"faithful Jewish believers in Jeses" Please clarify this. If you are referring to Christians, recall St. Paul's rebuke of St. Peter. A gentile does not have to become a Jew first (with circumcision) in order to become a Christian.
Do you know why and when circumcision became the norm in this "enlightened" country?
ZLarryZB 1 day ago
@ZLarryZB
Your arguments would work far better, to defend against usage of Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and also to oppose forced vaccinations, which many parents may dispute are dangerous.
I was circumcised as a baby, and glad my parents decided to do that for me, as it's not as easy to be circumcised at an older age. Dad told me some friend of his, was circumcised as an adult, and it increased sensitivity. So then, it's good, and perhaps helps God's people to multiply faster?
pronatalist 2 days ago
@pronatalist
It is very difficult discussing this issue with someone who is ignorant of the harm that circumcision does. Educate yourself before you give me your long winded replies. For a start read Sex As Nature Intended It by Kristen O'Hara (2002).
If circumcision is as good as you imply, then why does the Catholic Church not recommend it or command it in predominatnly Catholic countries. In Catholic countries they do not mutilate their baby boys. Educate yourself natalist!
ZLarryZB 1 day ago
@ZLarryZB
Error. Book you indicated, not found. Seems I don't have that book, so how would I read it? Besides, I have big pile of books on my "To Read" plans already. So why don't you sum up the main points for me?
Do you really want to get me started on Catholicism? Early Church leaders thought Pope was the Anti-Christ. I reject even (Catholic) Sunday-keeping now.
What damage from MALE circumcision? Are some doctors doing it wrong?
I know circumcision is clearly not required, but still good.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@ZLarryZB
From what I hear, circumcision may help make sexual intercourse, all the more pleasurable, perhaps a contributing reason as to why the pops of many nationalities has grown so incredibly large. Jewish people have spread so widely all over the world, far more, than we have been led to believe.
Could that be the true reason that some pagans have gotten onto some bizarre anti-Christian bigotry bandwagon against circumcision? Rebellion against God, and fear pop is getting "out of control?"
pronatalist 1 day ago
@ZLarryZB
Did I not make it clear enough, that circumcision was largely a Jewish thing, that somehow has been widely generalized through much of the civilized world, well America anyway? But what is wrong with this, as circumcision clearly is not forbidden by the Bible, for Gentiles or other countries, but was a commandment given to the Jews?
Anything wrong with seeking the old Jewish roots of our Christian faith, so long as we continue to follow our Lord Yeshua (transliterated poorly as Jesus)
pronatalist 1 day ago
Most people would agree with this because of its use of stick man character and graphics
steveo1274 2 days ago
We are all overpopulated, right up to the moment that anyone who writes comments on this video dies, him/herself, and then they cannot write any comment asking for a new birth to replace him/her.
3waybar 2 days ago
People should be licensed to breed.
samwst56 2 days ago
The world is not just for humans and their cars, big houses, fancy gadgets, and all the essentials to a modern life that I and most of the world are accustomed to. What is the point of fitting more human population in the world when it forces many other creature closer to extinction due to lose of habitats so you can have more malls, schools, factories, farms, and jewelries?
dylancrash 2 days ago
@dylancrash
What is the point of fitting more human pop into the world? Well people should not be asked to directly pollute their bodies with nasty unnatural Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons. "Artificial" contraceptives have SIDE EFFECTS. "Natural" methods require too much will-power. With "uncontrolled" natural human fertility, human pop is now so "huge" that it rises further easily.
Rampant contraceptive pushing that disrespects human dignity isn't the answer. Populate world denser
pronatalist 2 days ago
Marinade in that for a while, Cerebrus;.
LP101A 3 days ago
This appeals to people who believe that GMO food is good.
The ingestion of The GMO food causes an immune response from the body of the person who eats the food. Their body will believe that those unrecognized proteins (which have been absorbed or assimilated into the system of said organ) as alien and they will proceed to attack the organ in question.
What this means: If you eat GMO food- you may have lack the ability to ponder such a state- simply because the organ in question - is your brain.
LP101A 3 days ago
You said that population will peak in 30 years. What is the reason for this statement?
Thanks
imailpradeep 3 days ago
@imailpradeep
Why will pop peak in 30 years? That claim is based upon falling family size, due to the rampant contraceptive pushing. Why isn't pop peaking already? Because old people die, and younger people have babies. "Demographic momentum" as they call it. Today's large and youthful pops, due to past growth. I like to stress the good reasons for encouraging pop growth anyway, for I am not fully convinced pop growth will so conveniently or magically slow down so much.
pronatalist 2 days ago
Morons like pronat has been living a happy-go-lucky life. Its apparent he doesn't know the difficulties of child bearing, raising a child, developing a child, and so forth. For what I know and so does he, uses religion as an excuse for his forgotten, desperate and heartbroken life. All this religion, oh holy religion. You have already stop the advancement of science, society, life, and is continuing the bombardment of lies...please give us a sign, what are you going to do next?
tuberman890 3 days ago
Any moron who claims thats overpopulation is a myth is only tightening the noose around mother earths neck, probably religious, and everybody knows that religion has done nothing but destroy the planet, eg, you guys went into Africa telling them that contraception is against God's will, now look at the place, they cant even feed their dying children, population levels in the third world are exploding to unmanagible levels, resources in first world countries are being raped, there is no hope.
MrJulz26 3 days ago
What's the point of the video? Forget about the contraceptive efforts that has been successful in slowing down the population growth? Perhaps we should stop worrying about increasing farming productivity as well.
CostaKru 4 days ago
overpopulation is not a myth! people can't be that naive..the world increases in population by approx. 100,000,000 every year! this is b/c of infinite growth in society... except the earth ONLY has a finite amount of resources!! there just are not enough resources to sustain an infinite growth in society.. so society will collapse just like it has all thru out human history..civilizations grow to quickly, it can't be sustained..the difference today is the use of resources is so spread out
herbiiderbii 4 days ago
@herbiiderbii
Actually, isn't the official world pop growth numbers, more like 80 or 85 million more people per year? That's not really a lot, considering that we have 7 billion+ people already, and that the planet is still as huge as it ever was.
I agree very much, with the free flow of natural human pop growth, large families to be encouraged, worldwide, so that far more people can experience life. The world can be made to hold countless billions more, by urging denser countries.
pronatalist 3 days ago
2050 population will be 10 Billion.
sherman630 4 days ago
When in doubt blame the English...
02woodaaa 4 days ago
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"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." — Margaret Sanger: "Women and the New Race" (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)
procommenter 4 days ago
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@procommenter
You said, " 'The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.' — Margaret Sanger: 'Women and the New Race' (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)"
I disagree with whoever tried to keep us from seeing your comment, for what was your intent? To tell the truth? Somebody flagged it, because they don't agree with Margaret Sanger's wicked opinion? Neither do I, but they should have replied.
pronatalist 2 days ago
@procommenter
I like you showing her quote, for I hope it shows to all out there, the wickedness of those who "pioneered" the "radical" new ideas of unnatural "family planning."
What part of Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth, God's commandment to people, do we not understand?
I do not agree with murdering "excessive" children born to a family, so the obvious alternative is to actually encourage large families worldwide.
BTW, why is the "characters remaining" counter broken?
pronatalist 2 days ago
ude that's a lie. Go to Mexico and figure it out. Mexico IS OVER - DAMN - POPULATED... That's why we are killing each other.
spongebobmx 5 days ago
At best estimates, in order to occupy the global population in an area thats the size of Texas, you'd need a density of 10,000 people per square kilometer. That certainly rules out homes with yards! But, think about how much space the commercial, industrial and agricultural sectors displace. Think about how much space roads and infrastructure consume. If you add these all together, you'd cram pack an area the size of the US continent.
Think about the RESOURCES consumed to sustain 7 billion!
scrfce123 6 days ago
@scrfce123
So why do people need yards anyway? I can think of a few reasons, so as to not have rude neighbors pounding on the thin apartment wall, because your TV is too loud. So the children can have a place to go outside and play. To have space for a storage shed to be added to your yard, to hold what? The tools you need to maintain the yard? Hmm. If I had no yard, then I would need neither? More children don't go outside anyway, but play video games, or can walk to the nearby park.
pronatalist 3 days ago
@scrfce123
All the roads and industrial stuff, would fit into Texas as well. You forgot to factor in, in a far denser society, people would not have to travel as far away, for many things. Less traveling, means less roads per capita.
"Everybody could live in Texas," is but a mere illustration that the world is not really "crowded," and could be made to hold far more people, if ever it had to. It is not a recommendation to cram everybody into Texas, for we'd need far better gov first.
pronatalist 3 days ago
@pronatalist Not true at all. The ecological footprint of the average American is 8.0 global hectares per person. That equates to 560,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion.... And thats not taking roads and other industry into account either! Incidentally, thats 56 times the size of the US!
The lowest ecological footprint for a highly developed country is around 2.7 hectares per person. Thats around 189,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion - or 19 times the total land area of the US!
scrfce123 2 days ago
@scrfce123
Why do I have to answer your argument? You disproved your own argument already. If "ecological footprint" made any sense, we should all be dead by now? Can't you tell, those estimates are highly made up from no reasonable basis? And "footprints" can overlap. Obviously, land influences can be multiple and overlapping, so if human "ecological footprint" exceeds 100% of earth's surface, what does that mean really? Nothing much, other than that humans dominate, as Genesis 1: 26 says we do
pronatalist 2 days ago
@pronatalist The total biomass currently used is around 11.2 billion hectares or 11.2 million square kilometers. Incidentally, that figure includes land and sea. If everybody lived like Americans did (which is how EVERYBODY should live), the there wouldn't be nearly enough space for us on this earth.
You are correct when stating that overlap exists, but this is due to statistical error. After all, you can't grow wheat and corn from the same root!
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I read somewhere 11% of land is used to grow food. And probably not in the most efficient ways, but rather, whatever the market demands, and ridiculous gov meddling, demands.
I wasn't talking of insignificant statistical rounding error overlaps. But rather, land can do many things at the same time. Pump oil, produce natural gas, and crops, for instance.
If everybody lived like Americans, world could be populate far more densely, due to public sanitation (toilets), trash collection.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I don't believe any of the "ecological footprint" numbers, for aren't those the same enviro-nuts, who are already claiming that we need 4 earths? But we aren't dead yet? So they must be liars.
And how exactly do you prove that "like Americans" is how everybody should live? Oh, you mean materialistically pseudo-rich based upon fraudulent gov debt finances, "liar loan" home mortgages, rather than poor with big families? Some enviro-wackos say world shouldn't be allowed to live like us?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I don't believe any of the "ecological footprint" numbers, for aren't those the same enviro-nuts, who are already claiming that we need 4 earths? But we aren't dead yet? So they must be liars.
And how exactly do you prove that "like Americans" is how everybody should live? Oh, you mean materialistically pseudo-rich based upon fraudulent gov debt finances, "liar loan" home mortgages, rather than poor with big families? Some enviro-wackos say world shouldn't be allowed to live like us?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Ecological footprint is more about sustainability. Oil / natural gas and coal are non-renewable so they factor in a lot more than say, crops.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Yes, I do believe the rest of the world should live at a high material standard, if they can earn it, and if that's what they want. But it does sound a bit smug and condescending, to suggest that America is the model that the whole world should want to emulate. Why? Should the world copy our corrupt phony left-leaning Sunday-keeping Churches, rather than remember the Sabbath as the 4th of the 10 Commandments says? Or perhaps all countries should "print" their currencies into oblivion?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Printing currency into oblivion has a lot to do with overconsumption - one of the distinct consequences of overpopulation. Lmao.
I'm not American, but my country's ethos is easily comparable to that of the USA's. We actually have a better standard of life here in Australia; second only to Norway.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I also do not believe that people in other countries, necessarily need a typical American-style 3-bedroom house, in order to be blessed with a big family. Many big families live in a single room. A big or American-sized house, would be nice, but is not a prerequisite to having more children, a child being of greater value than a house anyhow.
I don't see people growing their crops on their roofs, nor everybody growing a garden filling their entire yard to the curb, so plenty of space.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist You speak of dignity. Where's the dignity in living one on top of the other (in a literal sense)? Where's the dignity in sharing eachother's filth?
If you like that mentality, then pack your things and go to China or India. Somewhere like Macau will do nicely. See if you can live in the communal sense and still remain even moderately dignified. Better yet, try and raise a family in those conditions. Put your money where your mouth is and THEN get back to me.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
The dignity is that each and every person is of immense and sacred value. Therefore, we do not have any right to impose any arbitrary "limit" upon how many people there can be. Only God can determine such things. Each and every person has a basic and God-given right to live, which includes the obvious right to procreate "unlimited" children. As pops naturally grow denser, we can have to something to make sure there is a place for everybody. If living "stacked" helps, then so be it.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist I think that when balanced on a fulcrum, the negatives overwhelm any perceived positives. If you think that more population makes for a better society, you are severely disillusioned. Today, I drove into the city during peak hour. Never in my life have I witnessed such cut throat, selfish driving - and not too long ago, I worked as a commercial driver! Every year it gets worse and worse because people are sick and tired of the rat race. AND YOU"RE ENCOURAGING MORE POP GROWTH???
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Sharing each other's filth? What? What are you talking about? Countries such as India that have naturally grown so dense, that they now have more people than acres of land, do need to make a few modern adaptations, such as installing indoor flush toilets. With human anuses growing in numbers and having to populate denser together, it becomes even more important to keep waste water and drinking water separate. This is not so much a pop issues, as a gov corruption and economic issue.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist No matter how you look at it, communal living areas are so frequently used, that it is impossible to ensure their cleanliness.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Plenty of evidence. Stop being so lazy and inform yourself. You can easily research endless "conspiracy theories," all over YouTube and the internet, so you have no excuse but your own intellectual laziness.
Why do you accuse me of being a liar? Like I said, have you offered to pay for my move? If certain objections I have listed, were corrected in India, and I could easily get Residency, I might actually consider moving there.
Commodities trader Jim Rogers, says future is in Asia.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Without "more pop," where would you and I be? "World pop is barely large enough for you and I to have been born," somebody said.
If we could ease down the magic pop dial of the world, do you really think world would become "less crowded?" Not at all. Horror of horrors, you or I would disappear, but not until countless friends and relatives you know, vanish. How will you repair your car, when your mechanic, vanishes? How about finding a new dentist or doctor, because yours vanished?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Funny you should mention mechanics. My family are currently juggling between 3 mechanics. One for each car! Doctor? There are 4 medical centers down the road from me. Each employ at least two dozen GP's.
So there will be less GP's... There will also be less people.
I found my city more livable when the pop was MUCH lower - incidentally, this was not too long ago.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
It sounds like your city, may have grown a lot more, than the general size of the Australian pop. Care to explain this? How then, is this a pop issue, and not an economic issue?
And isn't it your own fault? What makes you so lazy, that you can't move to a smaller town? Is a city supposed to stay the same forever? If so many people are flocking to the city, then maybe, at least they, think it's a great place to live. But you were there first, so you think OK to slam door in their face?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
If India is so "overpop," then why do so many people keep having so many babies? Problem is not "overpop," but lack of proper development, corrupt gov, "printable" fiat paper currency dishonest money, that encourages rampant gov and business financial fraud at the expense of good jobs for the working poor.
Why don't you ask yourself more logical questions, like how did so many people of India, become so affluent that they could leave, in the first place? While living in India?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Do you believe in God? A Supreme being who created people, for some intelligent reason?
Then how can there possibly be human "overpop?" NWO lies, to cover for their own sabotage of economies? Did God "goof" and make people, too fertile? What is the purpose of the human reproductive system for?
Crowding is caused, not by rising pop, but due to poverty. Poverty is caused by sin and gov corruption, and the dishonest paper fiat currencies world is now awash in. We need honest diagnosis.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Yes, I believe in God. But I also believe in plague.
Every creature has a predator - except humans. Our ingenuity has even made us impervious to disease.
I believe that God intended for us to reproduce, but in a sustainable manner. Do you believe that God intended for things to be the way they are now? I'm not fundamentally religious, but I'm sure that it has even been stated that our 'illumination' will invariably lead to our demise.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
What do you mean, you believe in plague? Did you mean to insinuate, human pop is fast growing towards "plague-like global densities?" First of all, we aren't growing all that fast really. And second of all, if the human race is spreading wildly into a vast "global plague," then why would you think there is any possible stopping it? As somebody said, "Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, all do their part to make sure the pop never goes down."
Yes, I believe human pop should grow "wild."
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Are you offering to finance my move, and get me Residency? China is obviously not a place for me, for I do not believe in using many means of "birth control." Does China accept foreigners moving in, and having 10 or however many children? India might allow families of "unlimited" size, being a supposed democracy and all, and supposedly having to answer to their people, but according to John Stossel, India requires excessive paperwork to start a business, then they don't process it.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist No, I'm certainly not offering. If you're suggesting that is the only factor which prevents you from living in those conditions, I am virtually certain you are lying.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I have no objection to India hopefully allowing pop to grow naturally "wild," as I believe more and more people would be glad to live, but even India needs to do a better job using modern technologies to better ADAPT to letting pop get so dense. Singapore is very dense, but also very clean.
However, due to high pop density in Singapore, I expect Singapore is a good place for RICH people to move to. Can I move to Singapore, and expect affordable stacked housing unit of decent size?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist If India is so great, then why are all the affluent Indians abandoning it for life in the west?
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
So are you saying that even the U.S. has now grown too dense? Shh. I don't think politicians want you saying that, for they still fear the people somewhat and like to get elected?
U.S. "printing" currency into oblivion, is not caused by U.S. having world's 3rd most largest pop, but by rampant gov corruption. Liberals went on crazy spending spree, and then have nerve to dump mess on Republicans and expect Republicans to take blame of budget "cuts" to fix corrupt waste, union payoffs?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Fiat paper currency fraud, has a lot to do with wrong philosophies of communists like Maynard Keynes, who make up lies to expand role of gov into our lives. We don't need more gov spending, for that undercuts the work ethic, robs people of the fruits of their labors, and robs the capital out of capitalism. The more gov spends, the less say the people have, and the less available for private consumer spending. Less money available for starting new companies, and more capital flight.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist To put it lightly, thats just an excuse. Price of living increases proportionally with pop growth - it has to do with supply vs. demand. Surely enough, pop growth leads increased inflation which is soon followed by increased interest.
Needless to say, increased interest leads to increased debt.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Just an excuse? So what is your explanation? To simply parrot NWO lies without thinking? Obviously, there's at least 2 sides to a story, but increasingly we hear on the NWO-dominated news, but only 1 side?
Price-of-living has not increased, in terms of "honest money." You can still buy a gallon of gasoline for a quarter, provided it's a quarter minted before 1965 that happens to be 90% silver. Why? So far apparently, gov is not able to "print" rare precious metals into oblivion.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Yes... "honest money". Go look up how much money is printed globally per annum and then compare this to the total amount of precious metal that is extracted from the earth on an annual basis. Even with Gold and Silver standards, there would still be INFLATION - this would become EVEN more apparent if the pop continued increasing.
But how would they make more when more is needed?
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
What is money anyway? A representation of a person's labor, quantified into an easily tradable financial instrument. Why does gov ban counterfeiting? bumper sticker: "Don't steal, the gov hates competition." Yet we have gov massive counterfeiting but they call it QE2, to confuse gullible. Counterfeiting is lying, saying you have done the tradable work, when you haven't, but merely "printed" false instruments. Honest work has to be done, to mine more gold or silver, maintaining value.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
"Supply and demand" is a lie and a crutch. For let's look at the data honestly. Factories mass-produce stuff. Typical American home has gained both number of bathrooms, and square footage, even while typical family size has shrank. The world is increasingly awash in useful gadgets, cellphones, computers, TVs. We have more stuff per capita, than ever. So supply has indeed increased. Obesity is a growing problem. Too much food? Too little exercise? Yet our fiat plummets due to printing.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist The leverage that supply and demand has on currency is intrinsically tied with bare essentials. Forget gadgets.
Besides, you only buy a cell phone maybe once a year. You buy milk and bread at least every 3 days.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Do you not have a mind of your own?
Why do I have to explain all the myriad of implications, "free energy" could have on boosting an economy to better cater to an enlarged and denser, naturally-growing pop?
You don't care, because you don't buy many cellphones? You don't consider using a charger a burden. Okay, let's talk milk and bread. Milk and bread would be CHEAPER, if the trucks that deliver them, run on "free energy" nuclear low-energy reactors. No costly diesel nor gasoline.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Again, where's your imagination? Israel not long ago, was barren neglected desert land. And yet they have greened it up, and made it beautiful.
What does desert land lack, that more of, makes it even more livable and desirable? How about, water. Ever look at a globe? What is that blue stuff all over? Could it be, water? But ocean water is too salty. Really? What does it require, to make water desalination more affordable? How about cheap energy. No, make that "free energy."
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
What's wrong with you Aussies? You afraid that your beautiful, nearly forgotten continent, may someday be as densely populated as our United States? What's so wrong with that? Why is it okay for us to have to find or make place for many 100s of millions of people, but you live with 2-digit millions, incredibly pop phobic?
Isn't it possible with just a little bit of work, most all of Australia would seem inhabitable to at least some people? What? Fear of living in "middle of nowhere?"
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
You cited stats, that sound like gov propaganda. Gov stats used to means something, in America, but now are little more than gov feel-good lies. We are supposedly in economic "recovery," yet nobody I know, can find any signs of it. So many are out of work, and so many vacant homes all around after housing bubble collapsed. Unemployment is 22% at least, using more honest accounting methods, such as old gov formulas even.
Australia better than America? Yeah, we are "has been" country.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Gov propaganda? These stats were published by institutions in the US. They have nothing to do with Australia.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
So your stats are U.S. gov propaganda? That's not going to help me believe them. Our current corrupt regime, has practically no credibility left, that they should be believed.
As money theory goes, since both the pop and the supply of goods and services are growing, the supply of money probably ought to grow in direct proportion with this growth, otherwise, money would appreciate in value, just by holding onto it, often called "deflation." Gold mining adjusts to this, automatically.
pronatalist 1 day ago
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@scrfce123
Money is not only supposed to be a convenient financial instrument of trade, but also a reliable "store of value," which fiat paper is clearly not. There is little danger of any serious amount of "deflation" in this fiat paper "inflationary" taxation-of-the-most-poor, NWO scheme.
If gold or silver appreciates wildly in value, it's not due to some sudden scarcity of the metals, but rather a panic "flight to safety" of people making a run on the dollar, wanting something more tangible.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Where did I ever say, that people must be forced to cram into the biggest cities? If that's people's choice, then I can't help that. However, why are we not using technology more, to make it easier for people to run their own businesses from home, out in the countryside or wherever?
Don't tell me you can't find any escape from "crowded" rat-race in sparsely-populated Australia. You just don't want to move. You like your job or something. That's an economic issue, not a pop issue.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist A very small portion of Australia is actually inhabitable and these areas are generally where density is increasing. Farming is touch and go in this nation and everybody needs a job - so you must settle where you need to settle.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
I've watched a lot of The Jetsons futuristic cartoons. Did you know that Mr. George Jetson works 3 hours a day, 3 days a week? And that's typical "full time" job apparently? Is that a natural result of future "overpop?" I think I can live with a 9-hour workweek, and much more time with family. They live in nice spacious highrise family condo with flying cars. Skies wouldn't be so congested, if Jane Jetson could find better hobby than always-shopping.She hasn't heard of Amazon or Ebay?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
How is your standard of living better in Australia? Specify? Prove it. From my vantage point, you Aussies are allowing a few people to give Australia a bad image, by talking crazy talk about how Australia will be "destroyed" if pop is allowed to grow to a mere 35 or 50 million people, which obviously would take some time to occur anyway. Uh, hello! We in the U.S. have 310 million, nearly a third of a billion, and are we destroyed by so many? No. It's our own sin and gov destroying us.
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Look at HDI index, life expectancy, GINI index, GDP PPP, literacy rates, livability studies, petty crime rates, violent crime rates (inc. murder), public debt levels etc, etc. Australia consecutively ranks better that America!
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Our American founding fathers, warned us to use actual gold and silver, for they knew gov couldn't resist the temptation to rob the working poor people by "printing" money. How do you think our rampant socialism and gov dependency class, is paid for and bought off? And so we are losing our freedom.
Why do toilet-rooms in India, have to be communal? If economy was run right, people should have bathrooms right inside their own homes.
Where are the modern self-cleaning public toilets?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@scrfce123
They say there's so much coal, as to last for centuries more. Do you really think that coal will be among the cheapest energy sources, a century from now? What? Is there to be absolutely no technology progress, in violation of most everything that history teaches us? Natural gas burns cleanly, yet why are you ignoring what I said about the "free energy" suppression or gov coverup? I did write of that on this video comments?
Does NWO hate "free energy" because it leads to denser pop?
pronatalist 1 day ago
@pronatalist Both facts that you've stated are conspiratorial. There's no evidence to support either.
scrfce123 1 day ago
@scrfce123
Thin apartment walls, would not be a problem, if condo and apartment walls, were made more sound-proof and fire-proof. I presume that premium, more costly units, could have better walls. But if you want cheapo affordable housing, then either "thin walls," or go find some countryside in "the middle of nowhere" or whatever. Even dense countries can have lots of houses with yards, but probably not so much in the center of huge city,where people bid up land costs to high levels
pronatalist 3 days ago
We would not be overpopulated based on numbers alone. However, the impact each individual has on the planet's resources, especially Americans, is the source of the problem.
jewfrok 1 week ago 2
@jewfrok actually its not just "americans".. people like to blame us tho b/c, well we are a major source of the problem.. but China now exceeds USA in emissions and pollution output for nearly a decade now.. And Europe as a whole is just as bad.. so even if you take USA out of the equation, the issue is the same..
herbiiderbii 4 days ago
@herbiiderbii
Americans = 3% world population or 312 million account for 22% of the world's oil consumption. And then complain when fuel gets close to $4/gallon. Yes Americans, supply and demand economics do apply to you.
jewfrok 4 days ago
@jewfrok It's more about the 'built to spill' legislation that runs (and ruins) everyone's life. How did the pursuit of happiness get replaced by the pursuit of pleasure...?
"Free money for schills and traitors" is sent from the (so-called) non-profit orgs and powerful lobbies that finance the breakdown of American society at every level. America has been divided and the ubiquity of their evil influence has been the root cause and continues to exacerbated the problems in society today.
LP101A 3 days ago
well now that's quite the load of lies... anyone who would rather hear the truth can type:
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"
(i know the name is a bit retarded but its not a troll)
it is an 8 part lecture on arithmetic, population and energy by Dr.Albert A.Bartlett and unlike this nicely animated video it actually provides some facts
shoukan13 1 week ago 14
@shoukan13 I second this.
koontzman123 1 week ago
@shoukan13 I have to agree, I even went to the head of the math department in my college to verify I was not missing something in the equation. These people even say that the population will climb up to a point and then go down... what they don't say is how will that happen.
Ramiromasters 4 days ago
@shoukan13 Sure, if you keep your mind in the little Tavistock/Stanford shoebox your 'bettors' have fashioned for you.
Luckily, there are a few of us left with a real education.
It's about central control- not only of resources- but of information - The morally-bankrupt 'science-based' view that is posed in the video to which you refer is for people distracted enough to believe this view- without taking care to perform the due-diligence required to conduct competent research.
LP101A 3 days ago
either way our way of life coupled with our large population will kill the earth and then we won't have to worry about overpopulation
squeekietits 1 week ago
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@squeekietits
But the "huge" world pop is not killing the earth. Look around you, don't you see the signs of spring? Grass and weeds starting to grow again. They say the grass is greenest over the septic tank. Be honest, nature likes human pop growing really big, for in nature, life spreads into most every niche it can. Nature likes our carbon dioxide that people and our machines, breathe out
What's killing our countries, is not baby booms, but the rampant socialism of NWO and libs
pronatalist 1 week ago
What is the problem with you people? The more population the better the chance of getting hot girls.
bryceboyblue 1 week ago
@bryceboyblue
Finally somebody who get it. See? There's benefits to letting human pops rise. If sex is so wonderful like sex-crazed world makes it out to be, then why not let pops rise, so that more people can enjoy sex, among other things? This insane world is maddening
Yes, the more pop, the more "hot girls," the more potential profits, more tax revenues, more inventions, more places to shop, more great teachers, so many additional potential benefits from simply letting pops grow
pronatalist 1 week ago
Well, as you did not give us the data to do the maths, 7 Billion people now, growth rate of 1.1% (CIA Factbook) = 14 billion in only 63 years. OK, at a .5% growth rate, 14 billion in 120 years. Don't concentrate on the growth RATE. Just add up the number of people. 7billion people in Texas = 9.3sq meters per person. Plenty of room for everyone, not.
jeffdaharper 1 week ago
@jeffdaharper
I see no problem with the world having perhaps reached 14 billion people by 2074. You mean, 63 years isn't enough time to prepare? Not enough time to build lots more cities and suburbs, or wherever so many people might choose to live? So what is man supposed to do for all that time? Be unemployed and watch NWO-brainwashing TV all day every day? In fact, we ought to be multiplying our numbers, even faster.
Make gov release "free energy" and flying saucer technologies.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist You have to be pulling my leg! Very funny, thanks, I needed the laugh. It's not lots more cities and infra structure, it's double what we have now. It took humans 10,000 years to build the cities we have now and so we just double the number of cities in 63 years? Build them on the West Bank, I presume? Forget the cities, where would the food and water and energy come from, oh, that's right "free energy" Hahaahahahahha!!!
jeffdaharper 1 week ago
@jeffdaharper
Why would I be pulling your leg? Pop is rising still, whether you like it or not. We have to put more billions, somewhere? I presume putting them on the moon, is not an option yet, especially considering that the moon landings were probably faked.
If cities double in size + double in number, that's roughly 4 times the pop, well except only half of people live in cities. Therefore, double pop, probably does not mean, double the cities, rather, more, and bigger cities.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@jeffdaharper
But let's say, not many people want to live in the countryside anymore, nor do they want to live in the biggest cities, so for whatever reasons, number of cities doubles. Yes, 63 years is plenty of time to build so many cities. Think of all the jobs, and all the money people would love to spend, in order to buy homes to have a place to live. Where to build so many cities? In between the other various growing cities.
Water can come from desalination of ocean water.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@jeffdaharper
Ever seen how they can move a house? You aren't using much imagination at all. If the future has flying cars, then why not, flying cranes? Without using roads, there's not the limit on height nor width, of a house being moved down a street.
If world pop manages to soar all the more, why can't we have better technologies, to factory-produce houses? Just put down a cement slab, and hook up some utilities, and fly a new house, mass-produced by robots, right into place.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@jeffdaharper
House structure could also be improved. Today's houses are a bit too much like match-sticks nailed together. Withstands most normal weather, but not so easy to hook up to a crane. Add in a basic steel frame of some sort, and houses could be mass-produced, with handy crane hoist points in the roof. And these days, steel is not the only strong material available.
Maybe why number of cities may double, is many improvements will do away with shanties, homes get larger?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Sure, whatever, keep banging those rocks together mate.
jeffdaharper 1 week ago
"Peak population" is a prediction only. As of now, no signs of it are visible. But the really distorting figure in the clip is the statement that "every family can have a house and a yard and it will fit into Texas". While this may be mathematically true, the ecological footprint of a family is much larger than a suburban home and yard. Consider the land use by all the imported products from food to wood to cotton clothing to water to metals, plastics and oil. You cannot get that from your yard.
auroraglacialis 1 week ago
@auroraglacialis
What do you mean, no signs of "peak pop" is visible? Are you blind? "Peak pop" makes more sense than "peak oil" of which there is no evidence, only hearsay lies. "Peak pop" is coming?, due to sharply declined birthrates. Births still outpace deaths, because we have huge youth bulge from past growth, "pop momentum" still because younger people reproduce and have babies, while people tend not to die until they are oil.
I doubt "peak pop," as birthrate may rebound?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@auroraglacialis
I prefer much, better arguments against the pop phobics trying to impose pop "control," than trendy "peak pop" argument, because what if world pop doesn't peak, but simply continues to grow and grow, no end ever in sight? "Demographic transition theory," and its related ideas of of "pop momentum" due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives? People were not designed to use "birth control" and I advocate large families
pronatalist 1 week ago
@auroraglacialis
I respect the "peak pop" argument, because it's not made up, as so many NWO lies are, but is based upon a reasonable extrapolation of the current statistics. But I am not satisfied with the "peak pop" will be reached in 30 years or so, argument, because we are still not sure of this. The better argument, is to show how continued pop growth is good, and that the world could be made somehow to hold lots more people
People might wisen up, and reject contraceptives?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@auroraglacialis
I did not mean to place a question mark (?) after " 'Demographic transition theory,' and its related ideas of 'pop momentum' due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives." I consider "Demographic transition theory" to be an outright NWO fraud, because there's nothing about having money that magically sterilizes the reproductive organs. Rich people especially, ought to be able to afford to have naturally large families.
pronatalist 1 week ago
/watch?v=ZqF4F-U3QUw
Anonymous: Their is Enough for 7 Billion but not Enough for the Greed of The Few!
Pretty Informative on how we can all live on an acre and still have 80% of the land available and showing how to grow enough food and the energy needed to be sustainable from this insane existence, where we act like The Earth is Infinite.
That attitude cannot continue or our future definitely wont.
Covey
Covey1969 1 week ago
This video is sorta like saying there 326 million trillion gallons of water. Humans need about 2 quarts a day x 6.8 billion people means that there should be plenty of water for everyone!!! It completely ignores the idea that over-population isn't just about "square footage" of people's living habitat. But it has to do with natural resources and agriculture and pollution... simply, over population isn't a question that can be solved with just "doing the math"...
TheMonty135 1 week ago
Do the Maths?
So our new houses and yards take up all of texas, how much arible land do we need in addition for agriculture and it's necessary supporting biosphere?
How much do we have?
Which way are the figures trending, how fast and what are the controls? (if any)
THATS RIGHT DO THE MATHS
Damn ignorant Americans think they have an opinion on everything, half of them don't even accept evolution ffs =/
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD LOL. Exactly.
tuberman890 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD This has nothing to DO with Americans. Just because these people who created this video are American, doesn't mean that you can generalize all Americans as idiots who don't get it. Thats ridiculous. Let's not forget that it was an AMERICAN from Stanford who championed this truth and caused the UNFPA. Put your ignorance asideand focus on the real issue, please. Overpopulation is a global problem, not an American one.
icyfyer 1 week ago
@icyfyer
Are you talking about that evil pop phobic, Paul Ehrlich? It's people like him, who give our universities a bad name. I wonder how much money he has made, writing his discredited "overpop" scare-monger books? If the world wasn't so populated, he would have made far less money? If there weren't so many gullible Americans, he would have been fired as a insane crackpot long ago. If I was a student there, I'd try to switch to somebody else's section class. He's no professor.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@icyfyer
Ok not all Americans are idiots, but there are few exceptions.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO? That you would even ask such a ridiculous question, shows you don't know the first thing about NWO, Illuminatti, Masons, or much of anything as conspiracy theories go. NWO is all about causing harm to people, to societies. Is that of God, or of rebellion against God? Watch some of the NWO YouTube videos, as I can't present every little detail to somebody too lazy to do any work or learn.
Very little do I get from Fox.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
You don't understand the pop situation. Malthusian gloom-and-doom has never been proven. Humans ADAPT. God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Where is the spectacular pop bust? Either there is none, or NWO is not satisfied, and is trying to help it to occur.
Know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. So you are against freedom? Yes, let huge world pop grow naturally "wild," although I don't consider it unordered "chaos."
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
In spite of all the gov interference, and U.S. gov squandering our money, paying farmers to not produce food, farmers still feed the growing world pop. More mouths to feed, means more profits for farmers, yet NWO Satanists continue to debase currencies and rob the productive people of the fruits of their labors?
Let human pops grow naturally, without any imposed "control" on how numerous we might become. Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO?
I think you have your conspiracy theories mixed up.
Stop watching Fox propoganda.
"Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man."
That would explain why it is chaos.
Nature shows the same pattern, every time, with every other oversuccessful animal - a spectacular boom followed by a spectacular bust.
Pro-active planning or a massive fight for rescources, our choise.
watch?v=8x98KFcMJeo
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
Finite resources
Rapidly degrading ecosystems
Unprecedented rates of extinction
Food shortages
Exponentially increasing human population
Do the math.
Oh, wait, you're a religious fundamentalist. You don't believe in math.
namarabrede 1 week ago 4
@namarabrede
Here's the "math" for you.
Unsustainable gov debt + economic crisis + tyrant Obama = DISASTER!
Resources aren't so finite, as NWO would like for you to believe. Gov is probably hiding "free energy" and flying saucers from us. We have oil and natural gas most everywhere around us, but they can only drill for it, mostly in countries that hate us? Because gullible Americans don't need jobs, and don't need prosperity?
Rising human pop, shows we are doing something right.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
Free energy? Flying saucers? NWO? Over population is good news?
You're clearly insane.
Incidentally Obamas answer to the economic crisis Bush's hands-off approach created has allowed America to weather the storm FAR better than the CONservative gov in the UK has done. We have austerity here compounding the credit crunch and it's screwed
us. The bailout shouldn't have happened IMO but for anarcho-capitalist conservatives it was pay-day.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
Bush was 3 years ago. You Obama-tons can't just keep blaming everything on Bush. When are you going to own up to, Obama's making things worse? Was FDR's Great Depression, also Bush's fault?
Bush was hands off? We haven't had true freedom nor capitalism, for some time. Many problems date back to Carter and before. 1913, creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System of central bank-sters, manipulating and stealing from the economy.
Oil prices soaring under Obama
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
If I'm supposedly "insane" to mention "free energy" and flying saucers, then tell me, why do people often accept that idea, that maybe gov is hiding such things? Tell me why. What is your explanation for UFO sitings? Is it really morons wanting to get in the news? A cover story for something? Why is experimental gov "test craft" such a common theory?
That huge human pops keep growing, of course is good news. Shows we are at least solving some problems, living longer.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
Are you in the UK? I don't think the UK has conservative gov.
Here in America, they say that today's conservatives, are the liberals of decades ago. Know what that means? That means, today's conservatives are as liberal as liberals of decades ago. That the social mores are in serious decline, and the country is tilting more and more communist, sort of like a doomed ship that is listing over to one side, only a matter of time before it sinks.
I opposed the bailouts.
pronatalist 1 week ago
This video is idiotic. Period.
Thelionspurr 1 week ago
So you are saying that we should expand simply because we can. I am saying that considering the technological lifestyle that the developing and devloped all nations are chasing, it is unsustainable for the current world population or larger populations to live that way. Put rats in a room with food and what will they do? Eat and breed themselves into oblivion with no kind of foresight of possible consequences for what they are doing. We humans have minds we should not go the same route
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
Not saying to expand, just because we can. But because God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Expand, because the history of "birth control" stinks. Is practically putrid. I am saying to expand, because more and more people would be glad to live. Expand, to fight the evil NWO.
Rats has nothing to do with it. What do I care about rats? I am not a rat. People can ADAPT. We know our numbers are rising gradually, and can plan ahead for that.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist There are many things that the old testament says that we should do. Do you do all of them?
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
I try to observe the Old Testament, and the New Testament, better than most so-called Christians do. A good start is to actually read what the text says. I am also studying the "lost books" of the Bible, and Hebrew.
I do not believe in "slow down on this baby making stuff," for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. That means to reject "birth control" and allow baby booms to emerge, intensify, spread naturally and "wildly" "out of control."
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist It says to fill the earth. Let me ask you, when will we "fill the earth"? Conceptually, when has this task been accomplished?
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
Actually, the King James Version uses the word "replenish." Which the dictionary says means "fill." Other versions, use the word "fill."
Everybody I asked in an informal poll of friends and coworkers, said God's commandment to multiply, still applies. Even some guy who said world pop is huge, but yeah, it still applies. Perhaps people don't want to be told how many children they can have.
Fill earth won't be accomplished, until God says it is. It's a process, so keep on.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Get a grip man. The more people on this earth, the more amplified our problems will be. That is how it has always been, and recently has been getting a lot worse. Your intellect is the only thing that God has given you that separates you from animals.Use it
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
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@yakovlev3a
But what is the purpose for people to use intellect anyway? To find more ways to oppress one another? To accumulate lots of fairly useless and costly toys, like boats, RVs, and sportscars? No, among the best ways to use human intellect, is to deliberately work towards, and develop proper technologies, to allow and welcome world pop to rise naturally, and to assist all countries to comfortably and safely, grow naturally,ever denser with people, so that more people can live
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Keep your populator in your pants.
samwst56 1 week ago
@samwst56
That is absurd. Do you keep your "populator" in your pants, that is, if you are a man? If I have a wive, then my "populator" belongs in my wife's birth canal hole, to allow vital semen and whatever babies God may allow us, to flow freely. Birthing babies, is just as natural and proper, as breathing and eating, a natural life process. Also what we should expect, when people understandably find their practical and "religious" objections to "birth control."
Let babies happen!
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Your mind is comprised of feces. Keep your peepee in your pants. Control your sex drive by running four miles everyday and bathing in hot water.
You need hard work and lots of it. Get out of your mom's basement, get off the computer and get some manual labor.
samwst56 1 week ago
@samwst56
"peepee?" What? Why do you talk to me, like I am some little kid? I like the term "populator" or "impregnator" better. Little boys have "peepees," because some parents are too embarassed to user proper body anatomy terms, such as "penis." Either that, or they don't want their children using "inappropriate" words in public or talking to their friends.
But adult male humans, do not have little "peepees" anymore, but penises that swell to a big size to implant semen for babies.
pronatalist 3 days ago
@pronatalist Keep your hand on your testicles and your eyes on the road.
Curb your sexuality.
samwst56 1 week ago
@samwst56
Curb my sexuality? How about we do as the Bible says, and avoid fornication and adultery? But for those people blessed enough to be married, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
Curb our sexuality? Really? In a society that glamorizes sex, with immoral Sex Ed that encourages young (unmarried) people to indulge in sex? Sex everywhere, on TV, on the computer, in our popular music.
So love, or is that sex?, makes the world go round? Do it moral, and let babies happen.
pronatalist 3 days ago
@pronatalist
You're clearly yet another person blinded by religious distraction.
I would urge you to come back to the real world but to be honest, I'd rather spend my time looking after people in need through no fault of their own.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
And how is you or I, having a few less children, depriving us of blessings, depriving our future children of life, going to keep people in the populous countries from continuing to "fill the earth," nor keep Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims from doing their part to make sure pop never goes down, as somebody said?
There's not just 1, but 3 perceptional dimensions we can yet spread into: Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards. Spread out, spread together, stack upwards into the sky.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
The answer is not have to rebel against God, and get the naturally-swelling world pop more "under control," but rather, submit to God that God knows best, and if needed, explore how to allow the planet to naturally grow more dense with people. God's commandment implies, it is God who shall determine our ultimate pop size, not man.
You can see the proper course of action, even in people's innocent comments. "Lots of place to put more people," they say? Okay, let's do it.
pronatalist 1 week ago