"The population of earth will peak in 30 years and then start to go back down....." Through disease, starvation, etc. Are we going to keep ourselves in check, or let mother nature do it for us?
what math this is bull shit if 50 million ppl a year die and 70 million are born i think very strongly overpopulation is not a myth. biomass think about it !
Actually, net increase is around 80 million per year, so births are over 100 million a year.
Biomass? Relatively cheap biomatter (food) naturally turning into ever more people, each of immense and sacred value, is a great "investment," at least philosophically. Food obviously isn't merely for selfish consumption, but for turning into additional people.
There is no human "overpop," for we are supposed to be so many, and "overpop" assumes people aren't worthy of life.
more ppl + more ppl = more ppl and less room for anything else. if the entire pop of the world lived in texas they would die off bc there arent enough resources there to support them. i think u need to do the math
Only 2 or 3% of land is occupied by cities. It could be more, a lot more, if ever need be. And still, with double-the-pop, or even far more, there would be lots of room for lots of other stuff.
If everybody moved to Texas, I think it could work, with good gov, but then, why would good gov, ask everybody to move to Texas? It's doable, but not recommended, with the rampant corrupt govs we have now. We could all move to Texas and multiply, but no need to move to Texas.
@aaronvespro And you have gone to the university of what? Charity's have a harder time shipping goods to third-world countries then obtaining them. You can't ship large quantities on Airplanes, it just doesn't happen due to a constant called gravity, and aerodynamics. Farther on that note, where would they get the food and water shipped from if the entire population lived in Texas. And @Colinpri1 Are we assuming that the resources were being shipped in from else where by train?
Why do you parrot same old New World Order criminal elitist depop anti-pop propaganda? Don't you realize that they have to get us to be guilty in our own genocide, to get us to start killing off our children by shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and then abortions when the shoddy contraceptives often inevitably "fail," to get the public so desensitized, that we won't rise up and revolt when NWO finds ever more devious ways to kill us "surplus" pop off?
@pronatalist Wow dude, you're right. The natural forces of starvation, disease, and war should thin the herd instead of proactive measures to prevent such things from happening in the first place.
What? You say you are here to learn from me? You came here, to be one of my many fans?
Whatever is an "astro-turfer" anyway? Or is that what YOU are?
Do you crazy liberals think there is but only 1 side to such a controversial argument as the fundamental basic freedom of responsible (married) procreation? Al Gore is wrong. Everybody who disagrees with him, isn't simply a "denier."
Why did you call me a Jew-bot? That means, you are a hater? Only Jews have big families?
JEW- self serving virus, that is only interested consuming anything in its path whilst forwarding own greedy agenda.
BOT- Taking on repetitive, robotic-like task without conscious thought.
ASTROTURFER- People or code written that infiltrate social multi media networks, that flood topics perpetually with their own views as to give the impression that it's ideal is populous. Therefore attempting to skew the true social debate.
Sure we can all keep just spitting out more babies, who needs wildlife, natural scenery, fishing and places to roam freely in solitude. Who needs this high standard if living , such as large backyards, acreages, woodlots and small farms. We can all just keep stacking up untill the whole planet looks like NYC surrounded by huge corporate elite owned mega farms. Human nature is to reprouduce, some women ache with the desire just like all animals. Are we smart enough to overcome the urge?
Yes, keep letting babies push out, for human life is more important than those other things you listed. And "just a few more billions" which is all we are talking about adding, well at least within the next several decades anyway, as maybe world pop just keep right on expanding?, does not make entire world look like NYC. I don't like such corrupt lib-tard cities, however, I'd much rather be crammed into NYC than not have lived at all
The people making this video, had a few points to make, and you could have, should have, showed more respect, for such valid points. People who explain why the world really isn't "overpop," do their part to defend basic human rights, and your individual right, to have however many children you say you need to be fulfilled, or simply "all the children God gives." I more actively defend, people everywhere to multiply at full natural increase rate of fecundity.
And you also failed to notice the biological purpose of food. I don't think food is merely for our selfish consumption, nor to eat to the point of gross obesity. The natural purpose of food, is to fuel the natural conversion of cheap biomass (food) into growing numbers of human bodies of each immense and sacred value.
There's an "overpop" theory that says we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
"There's an "overpop" theory that says we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom."
When animals find a new food resource, they multiply until the resource is fully exploited -- that is, every individual is eating just enough to stay alive. Going through life hungry isn't pleasant, but dumb animals can't do otherwise. They can't plan ahead. Only humans can balance fertility with the need for individual dignity and comfort.
If a doctor misdiagnoses an illness, and prescribes the wrong treatment, is the treatment likely to make the patient well? Probably not. May make the patient, or shall I say, victim, worse. "Overpop" is not the cause of world's social ills, but rather sin. Contraceptives can't cure rampant sin, because overpop isn't the cause.
Humans can plan ahead, make wise investments, expand infrastructure, earn income building more homes, so there's no need to control fertility
Purpose of the human reproductive system, is not merely to maintain pop size at "stabilized" (stagnated) size, as the liar NWO criminal elitists mislead us to be confused. It's obviously for people to multiply, for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. No wonder each successive generation tends to naturally grow ever larger than the previous.
Genesis 1: 26 says we aren't animals, but God gave man dominion over nature and animals.
"Genesis 1: 26 says we aren't animals, but God gave man dominion over nature and animals."
No gods gave us dominion over animals. Our BRAINS gave us dominion over animals. Acquisition of Knowledge, which you religious people ironically think was a "sin." Without knowledge, our kind is puny apes at the mercy of the bigger predators.
There was never a Garden of Eden. Never a day we didn't have to work for food, shelter, safety and clothes. Our bodies are MADE for work.
Our bodies were made for work? What? So why does the human brain, need to seemingly nearly "shut down" and rest, for at least a good 8 hours a night? Robots and computers, don't need such rest.
We are human beings, not human doings. We get credit, even just for being. We are not mere cogs in a corrupt system, nor mere work commodity units.
I always seem to run into this, those who easily buy into "overpop" lies, soon trash God, religion, faith, to push their view.
Finally, the more people there are, the more people there are who can enjoy or experience life. What more reason do we need, to go on naturally multiplying? Whether more space would be needed to grow more food, is debatable, as farming practices continually improve to better feed growing numbers. But an expanding human pop, would be a great reason to expand farms as well, should it come to be needed.
We should refuse to pollute our bodies with contraceptives.
Why do I have to explain this? It's obvious why video projects world pop will peak in 30 years. They are basing that claim on projection of actual declining-size family statistics. We'd be nearly "stabilized" (stagnated) by now, were it not for "demographic momentum." Typical family size isn't all that large anymore, but young people reproduce, old people die. World pop is still youthful, due to past high growth
I'd like to see rapid growth, people reject shoddy contraceptives
The theory that you refer to, is called "Demographic Entrapment," the idea that some countries already have such huge or dense pops, that they supposedly can't modernize, and so the bogus "Demographic Transition Theory" can't work, and so high birthrates are perhaps unstoppable? Is that why NWO poisoned Africans with AIDS in the vaccines? I don't believe either theory.
But I also reject pop "stabilization" (stagnation). So more people can live, let pop grow and grow naturally.
How come this wicked, learning-disabled liberal-retard world, didn't learn from Hitler discrediting Nazi eugenics? WW2 wasn't bad enough? Hitler said Germany needs lebensraum (living space or growing room). But history proved that wrong. No more frontiers or territories to claim, planet didn't get bigger, so world pop tripled since then, by countries simply growing denser.
If people have time to multiply more billions before return of Jesus, it will be the same. Grow denser.
"If people have time to multiply more billions before return of Jesus, it will be the same. Grow denser."
First there's not going to be a return of Jesus or any other dead famous person. Second, world pop only tripled since WW2 because some countries had agricultural surplus to sell to the countries that fell short of food. As pop grows the number of food importing countries grows and the number of food exporting countries decreases. Pop will outgrow food production.
Many people like to talk about the "living" space, more so than resource consideration, because living space is easier to understand and calculate. Many people don't think much about where their food comes from anyway, as it obviously comes from the supermarket.
So let me finish the saying. "We could all live in Texas and use the U.S. for farmland." It's not a recommendation, merely an illustration that the world is nowhere near "overcrowded" with people.
@pronatalist The average American uses 40,000 gallons of water a year. If there are 7 billion people living in Texas. Where are you going to find, 280 trillion gallons of water a year in Texas?
How do you totally miss the entire point? "Free energy" is a completely different class of energy. It's not entirely free, for the cost of the machine, may be a little. The idea is, it's like the proverbial "perpetual motion machine." Once built, it just runs and runs. "Free energy" taps nuclear power, thermal energy all around us, or zero point energy of the subatomic.
I'm not talking of gov subsidy, but releasing technology gov is already hiding from us?
If "free energy" was used to power your car, then if it was of tapping thermal energy, then your car radiator would get cold rather than hot. The energy is self-replenishing, as "Nature abhors a vacuum." The colder the radiator gets, the more heat it sucks from the surrounding air, which always has some heat. Once the energy is used, it becomes heat again, so it's zero net effect, but makes your car powered for free.
If you have a home nuclear power plant, that is "free energy," then it may look like just another electrical box next to your main power panel. No shoveling in coal, no connection to the natural gas line, no smoke, no emissions, little or no maintenance. Comes with the house, lasts nearly the life of the house. Might get a little warm, if you are pulling a heavy load.
"Cold fusion," or more accurately, low energy nuclear reactions, do not produce radiation.
"Free energy" of the nuclear kind, is what the electric car has been missing. Finally a car could be all electric, without having to recharge, nor having to refuel. It would just go and go. You could leave the heat on, all winter, no more iced windshields nor cold car in the morning.
The flying cars on the futuristic The Jetsons cartoon, are "free energy" nuclear-powered. What else could the code "power pellets" mean? Huge energy, super-fast, seldom refueled
I wish people would start digging into whether the gov is indeed hiding "free energy" and flying saucers technology from us, for that does answer to the resources question, and strongly suggest that world pop could even easier, be welcome to grow a lot denser. Why do I hear so many talk about "free energy," "cold fusion," but no "free energy" products for sell yet in the markets? Gov coverup, lies?
God provided ample resources, but NWO blocks development.
What? You deny both God and the NWO? So what do you believe in? Do you believe any "conspiracy theories" at all, or are you so gullible you just believe whatever the "idiot tube" TV tells you?
Surely you don't believe that the Branch Davidians' compound just happened to catch on fire, when the "helpless" gov thugs had them surrounded for months? And gov couldn't ever produce any weapons that Davidian cult supposedly had?
Watch some conspiracy videos on YT and stop being so stupid. Videos galore about NWO, how 9-11 was an inside job. What? A fire that would have been mostly out, melted steel structure building, and yet the fire in your space heater, burns continuously, and your steel heater doesn't melt? So hot to melt steel, but not the people standing in the gaping holes? Explain building 7, 47-stories tall, came down just like controlled demolition,not even hit by planes
How is it, that people did so well for 6000 years, without "birth control," and now supposedly, all of a sudden, need to "control" their fertility?
Why? So that the people are duped into not revolting against the vast wealth that NWO has stolen and squandered, impoverishing entire countries? So we can "volunteer" contracepting towards our own genocide?
Tired of old while men, Bush guilty in 9-11, messing up country, so Obama messes too?
"How is it, that people did so well for 6000 years, without "birth control," and now supposedly, all of a sudden, need to "control" their fertility?"
Because in the past if a village got too big there was always empty decent farmland for some villagers to go and start a new village. We're running out of room to do that now.
By the way people have been around MUCH longer than 6000 years. Stop pretending to believe otherwise.
Watch documentaries by Alex Jones, and come to understand how every President we had recently, have all been but the latest face on NWO establishment puppets.
Why are we being drugged and poisoned by Big Pharma, autism-causing vaccines, unhealthy foods, chem-trails, and sodium fluoride in our city tap water?
Why is NWO criminal elitist hands all into the profits of corporations which profit every time NWO stirs up yet another war?
@pronatalist Alex Jones is stupid, I used to believe in that shit but that was when I was like 13, I'm a grown man now, sort of. And building 7 crashing down "controlled" the video is edited, it's a bit fast forwarded so that you can't see it going down like a real building does when it collapses when it's not controlled. Listen to what scientist say, and not Alex Jones. There is no point in arguing with you since I know it won't change your mind because I've been there. Bye.
How is Alex Jones stupid, well unless he has not even a plan how to escape America when "the stuff hits the fan?" Of course, he may be on the red list, of people to round up, 2 weeks before Marshall Law is officially declared, although we are being phased into it, already?
Watch Dr. Judy Wood's YT video on 9-11, or explore her book, "Where Did the Towers Go?" Before it's too late to do anything about NWO designs against you. Watch 9-11 YT videos for info.
... it requires that the population growth declines. It might not, especially if people like the makers of this video tell people not to worry about the problem.
No, there is no requirement that the natural human pop growth decline. Families can obviously remain growing as large as ever, even in today's populous world.
Human pop growth might not decline any more, but not due so much to this YT video. Obviously, most people aren't going to watch this video anyway. Among the people most procreating, probably most don't watch YT anyway.
Somebody said, Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, do their part to make sure pop never goes down.
"Carrying capacity" is a New World Order criminal elitist pagan interpretation, that assumes that people are just animals, contradicting what Genesis 1: 26 says, in that man is given, by God, dominion over nature and other creatures, meaning we aren't animals
There's an "overpop" theory that we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom. I don't believe food to be a restraint, a practical reason to let world pop density rise freely
and all farmland was cultivated at maximum efficiency then we can stave off reaching the earths carying capacity for a while longer. But stabilization at 9 billion is just one prediction and...
@kaanatakan "and all farmland was cultivated at maximum efficiency" - But we discover new methods of using farmland every year. Scientists inveted a grain crop which outproduces all previous ones last year. Overpopulation myths dont factor in technology and prices.
Yes, liberals are horribly guilty of "static" analysis. That's a reason why their stupid tax increases, often fail to increase tax revenue. Liberals assume you can monkey around with a system, and only the variable they change, will change. Yet people change their behaviors to avoid the taxes. If you slap tanning salons with a stupid tax, people will tan from the sun for free. Or the economy slows down, or moves more "underground," not reporting.
The world is not "static," but incredibly dynamic, factors affecting other factors, in sometimes very complicated ways. And there is an underlying intelligence behind "nature," behind markets, behind a lot of things.
If world pop "gets out of hand," that doesn't mean it's a "danger" to itself. But rather, simply people and nature ADAPTING to a higher and denser world pop. The very premise is that of excessive gov control, for "out of hand" is FREEDOM.
India has roughly, 3 people per 2 acres of land. More countries are reaching the arbitrary "tipping point" of going from multiple acres of land per person, to multiple people per acre. Yet, India added some 200 million more people, to their already-a-billion, over the last decade. That suggests to me, that they aren't "overpop," for if they were, then how are they still growing, a little bit faster even, than the global average?
I meant to say "MY diet," not "might diet." Sorry about the typo.
If we want to use farmland at maximum efficiency, then should we get the evil gov out of everybody business, get gov to stop harassing or interfering with farming operations, and stop paying farmers to produce less?
Pop "stabilization" at 9 billion is a common demographic prediction, however, it's based not really so much on "Demographic Transition Theory" as on underlying rampant contraceptive pushing.
I have no wish nor agenda to stagnate at any "peak" pop size, but rather, for individual freedom to OBEY God's commandment to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, so I welcome large families worldwide, and to eagerly urge world pop soar freely, leaving it up to God, how populous we shall ultimately someday become.
Since the truth is, "Demographic Transition Theory" isn't really so natural, and it's rampant contraceptive pushing, I doubt "stabilize at 9 billion."
If you count only agricultural land then we would be using about 75% of it. Now of course we don't all need to eat like Americans. If we waste less and eat less meat than the average american...
I would gladly alter might diet, if a vegetarian or whatever diet would mean a much more pop-dense world could eat. However, the evidence suggests that such alternation, wouldn't do so much good as "overpop" theorists suggest, and that it's unnecessary. As somebody explained, eating animals buys food security. Creates incentive for farmers to produce far more food than needed to feed everybody. In a time of famine, we could stop feeding animals, and eat the animals.
Also, it seems that marginal lands can produce grass, either than desired crops? Can people eat grass so well? But cows convert grass into milk, cheese, and meat. So are cows perhaps doing some part, towards helping the planet grow more dense with people?
I would much rather give up meat, than be asked to use unnatural shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs. Some avoid "unclean" meats or meat altogether. But those who force changes, seek to spread poverty?
... then we would need about 1.2 acres of land per person. That comes out to between 20-25% of the earth's entire land area. Including desert, tundra and mountains.
This video is ridiculous. Yes we could all "live" very comfortably in an area the size of Texas. However we can not live without eating. If we all ate like the average American does...
We're overpopulating in the sense that we cannot have sustainability. Finite resources like oil and coal deplete more quickly because we are too many. Food is not really something that is finite in the same sense as those resources, as you can grow more food. You can't grow more oil or coal and chance is, when it comes to bio fuels, that you are wasting more energy than you are producing.
What if energy, turns out to be just as "unlimited" as the food, if not more so? Look into the possibility, as to whether the gov might be hiding "free energy" and flying saucer technologies from us?
NWO criminal elitists, would love for gullible Americans to believe their lies of "Peak Oil," for it makes the people fearful and easy for them to control and manipulate. But when people learn the truth, they protest for their rights.
@pronatalist Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Energy is not as unlimited as food, as of now, because we don't have good ways to tap that infinite energy. 'Infinite' energy is just as finite as say, oil, because in a couple of billion years, the sun will die. Meanwhile we can use wind and solar power, but it's not nearly as efficient as oil or coal. Oil and coal are VERY finite and will run out in the next 40-50 years. The oil will run out sooner than the coal, in about 20-30 years.
What do I care if you claim I sound ridiculous? So you are entitled to your stupid opinion? So what? I'd rather say, "Everybody is entitled to my opinions." Sounds so much cooler.
If "free energy" isn't infinite, that's completely irrelevant. At least has no relevance, until you figure out how to live eternally without God, which I don't see happening anytime soon. "Free energy" works as long as the sun shines, and the world has some heat. Plenty good enough.
You know, I see solar and wind energy, almost as a deliberate gov diversion. They want to fund things as political payoffs, that can't possibly work, so that we see lots more tyrantObama Solindra scandals. So gov can say, "Look, we tried. It didn't work, so now we have to reduce 'surplus'pop"
I see deliberate disinfo on PBS TV channel, they want to tap wind energy with ridiculous kites, and I see $ signs a lot more than cheap KWHs. Not 1 mention of "free energy"
I did describe a few details of "free energy" I hope? Well unless that was on another YT video?
Some time ago, I figured there's basically 3 types or sources for "free energy." First a definition. "Free energy" is reliable alternative energy, that is 24-7 and doesn't require human labor to keep it flowing. Free energy can come from tapping ambient heat energy in the air all around us. Or from "cold fusion" or tiny nuclear reactors. Or "zero point" subatomic.
It's not about how much land there is to live on. It's about energy consumption. Too little energy for too little people. Dislike this video if you like this comment.
It is not me who has "lost credibility." Why did you ignore the valid points of the video, and of me defending human dignity and individual freedom?
Humans simply are not subject to "supply and demand" devaluation as you suggest, for God imputes great value to us, and we value ourselves. Therefore, each and every human life is immensely valuable and sacred, no matter how many "burgeoning billions" we may someday become. It's pagan philosophies that seek to devalue us.
@pronatalist Ahhhhh.... yawn... god Bothering Retard. Kill yourself. YOU ARE A VIRUS WITH SHOES. god and little baby jebus are all in you Imagination. I just couldn't take somebody seriously whom thinks imaginary people run this world. I didn't even read your dribble. It's just ASTROTURF. Fuck off and stop wiping your ass on our internet.
So you are quite the comedian today? Your internet? It's my internet too. And look where this discussion is taking place. On a video that agree with me, more so than with you? Have you looked around the internet lately? Anything reasonable to ridiculous, is all over the internet, everything from serious discussion about alternative energy that fires the electric company, to the most ridiculous celebrity gossip and tyrant Obummer worship.
God sent his prophets to warn the people of their sin and of the soon-coming judgment against them, if they don't quickly repent. Did people listen? Sometimes they did, but often, the people didn't. So why does God send prophets to stubborn people who won't listen? So in the end, people will only have themselves to blame, for God gave them a conscious, they were warned, and they repented not, so God is fully justified to cause them to perish
Some have listened even on this YouTube comments forum
Some time ago, a friend confided to me, that they had decided to try for a 5th child. A coworker told me, that his wife wants 6 children, but he wasn't so sure. Now why do people tell me such things? Obviously, some have some respect for my views, and they know I am right to defend the human dignity, that human pops simply have to go on rising. Obviously, many people already have their reasons for having many children
Why do you insult me, and insinuate that I don't understand exponential function, and how "unchecked" human pop expansion, tends to grow exponentially? I solved by algebra myself, how to use log or ln log function, to exactly calculate "doubling time" from annual growth rate.
I think even liberals would agree with, desire, as the numbers of women of childbearing age naturally rises throughout much of the world, we have to allow growing numbers to become sexually active.
Where we obviously disagree, is that people of faith like me, do not believe in trying to "limit" the natural pop growth with contraceptives. What part of God's commandment, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, do we not understand? This commandment further implies, that it is God who is responsible for determining our ultimately pop size, not man. To refuse to multiply, isn't that rebellion?
Those who improved public sanitation, never asked we use "birth control"
A few months ago, I wondered, why did world pop so much "take off" right after WW2, around 1950? Is it just the soldiers returning home, wanting to start their families? "The Pill" wasn't foisted onto us, until the rebellion "Free Love" 1960s?
Lesbian witch, Margaret Sanger, wrote that people should enjoy "unlimited" sex without the "burdens" of "unwanted" children, in some crap writings about the "wickedness" of having large families. Are we "entitled" to unlimited sex?
As recently as the 1950s, according to a book I have around here somewhere, people just had children and didn't count the cost. Until recently, contraceptives, if people had even heard of such devices, were thought bizarre and obscene.
Probably in the past, if a family was "done" have children, they were "done" having sex. Not all, but only with some. Obviously, families were commonly large for a reason. But now we are supposedly entitled" to "unlimited" sex? Really?
But are we really "entitled" to profane God's sacred procreative purpose of sex, and make it into a carnal selfish perverted thing of lust? Read Romans 1, and tell me what it says about this very matter?
Yes, like most people, I agree with the "unlimited" sex part. Marriage obviously has its many benefits. But what happens when predictably, billions of people somehow discover practical and "religious" objections to use of "birth control?" Seems we MUST let pops soar.
@Syrmata I don't understand how there isn't overpopulation. I was reading economic reports claiming that the Arab countries alone need to create over 100 million jobs in the coming decades. I think there confusing Western fertility rates with the entire planets. Muslim countries have high fertility rates.
@ChasteRoue jobs are not the answer for everything. more divergent thinking is the way of the future.... non-human resources are going to have an impact on the entire planet. and what good is it if every "able-bodied" person on the planet had a job if there were no good resources to manufacture stuff for us to buy? i just think it's a bigger picture is all...
btw... forgive me for the "able-bodied" cliche... (which job-pushers constantly use)
I love to see people colonizing the moon and Mars, and other worlds, IN THE MOVIES. But I just don't see it happening, in Bible prophecy. Isn't that too much like man, trying to be like God, the failing of Lucifer? Sure, I'd love for the human race to naturally "outgrow" this world and spread to more worlds, like in Star Trek. But I just don't see technology moving much in that direction. In fact, moon landings likely were faked. Technology is moving towards DENSER planet
Jobs are not the answer for everything? So what is the Bible talking about, when it says if a man will not work, neither should he eat? An economy based upon gov confiscating wealth from the productive, and rewarding the irresponsible and unproductive, is an economy that is unsustainable and will soon surely collapse or fall into huge need for reforms. Capital flight soon occurs, as even investors realize that fiat paper currency debasement eats up their earnings.
@pronatalist just from talking to you "pronatalist" i am now a card carrying NWO elitist, just bought some Monsanto shares, went into business with A.Q.Khan's long lost hidden brother and can't wait to destroy you. but 1st i must plot the biggest and most ridiculous conspiracy ever, even though i have more than enuf nukes to do it.
and btw... your "Capital flight" speech was plagiarized. ur such a f/n schmuck i'm going to enjoy it when your suffering matches your ignorance.
Are you telling me, that you approve of the way that Monsanto is damaging the food security of the world, and harassing the farmers who produce your food? It seems to me, you don't go around accusing farmers of "saving seed," and trying to put them out of business, especially in a world where pop is still rising and the planet continues to grow ever denser with people. How reckless can greed be?
Capital flight speech was plagiarized? What? So what? Not in college
Why do you assume that my "capital flight" speech should necessarily be original? Like I'm so smart, and nobody thought of my ideas before me? Most of what I say, isn't all that original. Natural and deliberate pronatalist influences of society, didn't start with me. It's the crazed femi-nazis who want to go around breastfeeding in public, not realizing it's not their idea, for that's already common practice in developing countries where childbearing is the norm.
The resources are there, and far more abundant than we are often told. God would not command people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, then deny us the needed means and resources to do so. That would make God the sinner, and not us.
Wake up and study the conspiracy theories. It's tyrant Obama blocking our jobs and the Keystone Oil Pipeline. Gov may already be hiding "free energy" and flying saucers.
Corporations should not "own" life with seed patents
@pronatalist you god ppl are so insane, asinine, and toxic... both to yourselves and to the rest of the world. your 'godly' arguments are just based on assumptions that even a kid could figure out: IF god made everything, THEN he made evil too, which includes all the "7 deadly sins".
b4 you get all bent out of shape and misrepresent what i'm saying, i'm NOT saying 'god' is this or that... i'm saying that YOUR LOGIC about 'god' is a CIRCULAR ARGUMENT. google it bcuz i'm sure u dk
Why are you ranting and raving like a lunatic? Seems as if I threw a stone into a pack of dogs, and the way you are hollering, you must have been the dog that got hit? So what does that mean? You will soon discover that your arguments don't make any sense, and have to also become a pronatalist?
Noah Webster, of dictionary fame, said that the things around us could not have made themselves. A study showed those who best understand evolution, believe it not true.
@Syrmata a christian made this video... and they hide the math, evidence, & science until they get too popular to ignore... that's when their messages and teachings have suddenly becomes 'metaphorical' all along.
I am still optimistic about the future, but not so optimistic, about the problematic present.
The answers are there, but the NWO criminal elitists don't want us discovering the free energy and flying saucers that gov may already be hiding from us. They don't want us having power, for free, that they can't meter and bill for. It's such a huge leveling-of-the-playing-field, that when the poor become more like the rich, they will revolt against rich overlording them.
YOU FUCKING MORONS ALWAYS TALK THE PLANETS NOT OVERPOPULATED. OK FINE THEN IN YOUR WISDOM PLEASE TELL US ALL WHEN IS IT OVERPOPULATED ? WHAT WHEN THERE IS NO FOREST LEFT WHEN ALL THE FOSSIL FUELS ARE GONE? THERE IS NO MORE DRINKABLE WATER.MOST OF YOU MORONS CANT THINK PASSED WHAT HAPPENS ON GLEE.OR FACEBOOK.AND PLEASE SHUT THE F@#K UP ABOUT GOD WHAT A WASTE OF TIME I KNOW IF MOST OF YOU CHOSE NOT TO REPRODUCE EARTH WILL BE THE BENEFICIARY.
Why don't those who think there's "too many" people in the world, volunteer to lessen the pop, by ceasing to live? What? No volunteers? Then you must like having the pop size so "huge," so that you can live too?
There are no "surplus" people, for we are created in the image of God, and every individual has immense and sacred value. This of course, is a common "religious" reason why billions of people do not practice "birth control."
@pronatalist its not the point that you or i should kill our self's. the problem as with anything is denial and ignorance..ignorance as thinking there is a magical god in the clouds and thinking that you can just keep pumping out babies and the planet will magically get bigger. that we can keep cutting down trees to grow more food and that's not going to bite us in the ass.try this put up a one acre fence put a male and female dog in with food and water how long till over populated.
1st option is to SPREAD OUT. That's what Abraham and Lot's growing tribes did, so that they could go right on growing. But perhaps you say, the world just doesn't have the frontiers it once had. On a spherical planet, there's just but so far we people can spread out, before we run into ourselves again? But you forget, there's 2 other perceptional dimensions people can yet grow into. Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards.
Make planet "bigger" by urging countries to grow denser.
And what's really so wrong, with the planet being so full of people, that it's human life only?
What is your perception problem, that you don't try harder to see the value in human life? Do you not believe in God? Or perhaps, you think God has gone on a far trip and forgotten about us? You think God doesn't care for his creation, and won't provide for us?
Isn't it possible, if humans could someday "outgrow" this world, we might spread to, or God might give, more worlds?
How is you or I, having fewer children, going to keep pop from rising in Africa or Middle East, among Muslims or Hindus, or wherever pop is supposedly growing the most? If developing countries are enjoying having so many children, why can't we also?
I have a fancy graphing calculator. I have many good calculators. I am a math whiz. Yes, I know most all the flaws in demographic pop extrapolation assumptions.
Yes, we CAN keep pumping out babies naturally, well into future.
Interesting you bring up your dog "overpop" analogy, and so now I'll tell you, why it does NOT prove your argument.
People are not animals, according to Genesis 1: 26, where God gave dominion over nature and other creatures, to man.
People multiply more slowly than dogs. Longer gestational time, longer generation time, and we don't have "litters" of babies, but (usually) just 1 baby at a time.
Picture in my mind, Looney Toons cartoon, Sylvester trying to get Tweety bird.
Problem is, between Sylvester cat, and Tweety bird, is this yard, ridiculously packed full of bulldogs. What? Maybe dear old granny didn't have the heart to get her pets spayed or neutered? Or maybe, it's one of those crazy ladies, who just feels compelled to adopt every stray in the neighborhood? (Oh, yeah, then why are they all bulldogs of the same color? Due to unimaginative cartoon artists?) But the dogs don't care they are "overpop," for Granny always feeds them.
Who's to say we can't "overpop" our aquariums? Technically, compared to natural neglected wilderness norms, every aquarium is "overpop." Why else would the aquarium need a filter and gurgling water\air pump to keep the water oxygenated? We want aquarium "overpop," because who wants to see huge aquarium with only 1 tiny fish in it? Boring. For more color and diversity of life, we make water "thick" with fish, and then add in "artificial" life support, so fish can cope.
We get our pets "fixed," if we so choose, because their owners, people, are their "higher power" to decide for them, what's best for them. They don't need offspring, for they have us for families. Pets don't have "human rights" so we are authorized to get them "fixed" if we choose to, for mere animals can't adapt on their own, to the "artificially" high urban densities we let them breed up to.
God our "higher power," commands us to multiply and fill the earth. So we do.
You know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. Well even if so, I'd much rather have freedom and the personal responsibility that goes along with it, than global tyranny.
Yes, we CAN keep on pumping out babies, and living to 80 and 90.
You don't have to use a lot of imagination to see and develop places all around to put more people. Build more cities, for people need the jobs anyway. If or when those cities grow too full, keep building huger cities
You talk about putting a male and female dog together and giving them food, and will their pop grow? Have you looked around you lately? Ever notice the world is very co-ed? Males and females, all around, ample opportunities to marry and procreate. Mad scientists do bizarre "overpop" experiments upon animals, for they see we apparently have the "unlimited" food, which "too much" food fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
@pronatalist the point was!! without some form of restraint (birth control) the world those dogs live in will soon be overpopulated and polluted you jackass..look you dumb fuck when you figure out how to get six gallons of water in a five gal bucket talk with me then ok.you are clueless on how much this planet is being polluted with the present pop. and you think we need to add more? what a blind idiot.and i am not name calling i am being descriptive.
Do we expect our dogs to show "birth control" restraint? Not so much, we just go get them "fixed" if we don't plan to breed them. Makes them less aggressive, less distracted, and better pets. But dogs do not have "human rights," nor do we expect that dogs have any need for sex.
Humans do not multiply as fast as dogs, and we people curiously enjoy being constantly "in heat" year-round. With nearly daily sex, that's a lot of chances for shoddy contraceptives to "fail."
I look to the Bible for the standards, even concerning sex, and the only "restraint" I see there, is no sex outside of marriage. In fact, to enjoy sex morally, obviously have long been a natural incentive why people usually get married, quite often rather young actually, until the recent "great falling away" wicked times.
I agree very much with welcoming human pops to grow and grow freely, unhindered, unrestrained. A very high pop allows a lot more billions to enjoy life
With the present "huge" pop, do we need to add more? YES! I've seen figures of near 2 billion women of childbearing age, and they say the world has a billion teenagers, so we may soon surpass 2 billion. Does that sound easily "controllable" to you? We simply do not have 2 billion baby birth canal hole corks. We don't want Big Brother gov in a billion bedrooms. Not even the proper nor practical role of gov. If people can't, or won't, "control" themselves, then pop rises.
Yes, you are name-calling, for I find your claims invalid. Where is your religious and practical tolerance of other people and beliefs? Natural increase of people, is quite NATURAL. Our ancestors thought so, for families were commonly large, and the growing pops may have been a factor in people seeking to spread themselves widely all over the planet. Not merely to escape "overcrowding," but check your history carefully. For freedom, and due to "duty" to enlarge total pops
If the planet is being polluted by a world pop that has just somehow grown so "huge," then isn't that what technology is for, to find better ways of doing things, and help us ADAPT to we can keep on multiplying while making world safer and more comfortable for "burgeoning billions?"
Maybe some pollution is just how it is. Toilets after all, have to flush to "somewhere." But logic says to keep the pollution (unnatural contraceptives, sewage) farther away from our bodies.
You don't like to hear about "religion and God," even though somebody said that the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims do their part, to make sure the pop never goes down? Then how can you understand why humans became so incredibly numerous and our pops continue to grow?
How about Utilitarian Principle, that often the best thing to do, is that which most benefits the most people? I am not alone to note this implies massive pop growth, for some website also said this.
@pronatalist yes if i told you to pray to the tooth fairy and all your problems would go away you would call me nuts well back at ya! remember as you pray to the tooth fairy all you need is faith.look earths pop. problem is because of that idiotic book go forth and multiply bull shit. and not one fucking moron could take out there calculator and say wait on minute we cant keep pumping out babies like this. but they could do it to count there fucking money.
There are many philosophical arguments for the natural and "unrestrained" world pop growth. Under Utilitarian Principle reasoning, the more populous we become, the more people there are around to benefit from whatever. So "uncontrolled" childbirth is far more likely to be "good" and not "bad."
But can you see? that even the "weight of numbers" argues for allowing, even urging, human pops everywhere to freely expand. More people means more people wanting more children.
Sure, forests have some value, but lands "bursting at the seams" with people, have far more value than empty uninhabited lands. It would be far better to have a world so full of people, that there's just not much room any more for forests or "open" countryside, than to have a lower pop. Why? Weight of numbers. People still want to live and be born, even if "overcrowded." Far more people benefit from high pop.
It's Obama's fault, blocking the Keystone Oil Pipeline.
@pronatalist ok i tried untill i got to this your a crazy fuck if you think that humans destroying the plantet and doing so earth will stay in balance makes you a complete fucking moron.kill everything on the planet so one more human can stand there is your good idea your a idiot.YOU CANT FUCK THE PLANET UP SO BAD THAT THERE IS NO LIFE OTHER THEN HUMAN LIFE YOU JACKASS YOU THINK EARTH HAS ENDLESS RESOURCES YOU JACKASS read a book. THE IMPORTANCE OF FOREST ANY BOOK PLEASE..JUST READ
Wake up and see the truth. It's not rising pop, causing those problems, it's NWO criminal elitist meddling, manufacturing phony scarcity. Rising pop, and the technologies it naturally accelerates, makes things LESS scarce. But certain powers-that-be, meddle with the economic process, to deny what people want, because not only does NWO steal and squander the wealth of nations, but they are bored with our money and want all the power too.
NWO OR NOT YOU CANT KEEP PUMPING OUT BABIES AND PEOPLE LIVING TILL 80 -90 YRS AND THINK ITS ALL GOING TO BE HUNKY DORY YOU JACKASS. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL OR I FEEL IT'S ABOUT REALITY MATH.
Thomas Malthus was essentially right.. NOT factoring in globalization and increased food production. However, even with globalization and increased production, there are still limits. People are already starving to death, and the population is still growing.
What a bunch of crap... I just did the math. If all the world population lived in texas, each person would have 102 square metres to live on and live off.
If the density were like metro atlanta, "every family a house and a yard" we would get 630 ppl/sqkm. Which means we would need over 11.000.000 sqkm of area!
That's more than the whole united states, under the premise of no mountains - everything totally suburbs from one end to another. And we still wouldn't fit all people in there.
A "Pro-Life" group, funded by right-wingers. There is no overpopulation, no ressource crisis, no limits for growth. Just relax and keep procreating, it's god's will. Everything will be fine, everything will get better by itself, just sit down and watch more TV.
We can fill the whole world with people and suburbanize them like we did in America. Move on, nothing to see here.
@pronatalist National Geographic. It was just a prediction, but they say that is what will happen if current population trends continue. Also, one thing we have to remember is that it's not space we need, but 2:3 of the human race is in poverty/dosen't have clean drinking water. (I forgot which...) They have a video on YouTube.
9 billion? That's all? You'd think the way the pop phobics whine, that was a lot?
Why does the world have so much poverty? Because the world is awash in paper fiat currency dishonest money. Fiat paper was designed, to transfer wealth from the people, to the dishonest money "printers." They use fiat paper to drain capitalism of capital, to tax the producers, and to pay off the unproductive. This increasingly tends towards squandering of entire countries' wealth.
This is a way oversimplified analyisis. Just because we could all live together on a land mass the size of Texas doesn't mean that overpopulation isn't real and serious. Sure uhhhh the cool picture that you provided shows Texas all blacked-out and it doesn't look very big compared to the rest of the world duuuuurrrrrrrr. But you didn't talk about the level of consumption and pollution that occurs and how taxing it is on our planet when the human population is so high.
No better alternative, than to embrace world pop now being so high, for the more populous we grow, the more people there are then, wanting children. The number of women of childbearing age, is higher than it has previously been, or so said some pop article I read long ago. Those are very understandable reasons, and I'm quite sure that the reasons that so many parents have many children, are PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH.
"Live in Texas" is illustration of not-crowded world
Most thinking people, tend to use simple arguments like "There's places all around we can put more people." Not only is this true, but it implies that most reasonable people, would much rather let pop naturally grow more dense worldwide, than to be told how many children they may have. Perhaps that's why everybody in my informal survey, said God's commandment to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, still applies.
I have no objection to the world growing to 19 billion by 2040 - 19 billion+ reasons to be so many, however, where did you come up with such a high projection? Family size would have to rebound to the large size of a half century ago, to reach such high numbers so fast. Not possible, by the commonly accepted demographic trends of even "at current rates." That's more than double world pop size, in less than 30 years. That's not going to happen at 1.2% annual growth rate.
I personally think that life itself should be exterminated. All problems solved. Too bad that's impossible to achieve unless I kill myself before I can't get the space enough to breath or the clean air to breath. The world is doomed. We should all just die. I support the right to commit suicide.
So you don't believe in life, and yet you continue to live? Isn't that hypocritical? God is the author of life. You aren't grateful to be alive? So who would be saved, if there was no life? Who would be around to benefit?
How is it, that the government monopoly schools, or whatever has influenced you in such a negative way, can just suck the logic out of your mind?
There is ample space for human pops to grow and grow, well beyond your expected lifespan. It's not so bad.
Furthermore, you do not have the right to commit suicide, for Exodus 20 says Thou shalt not kill. God owns everything, so your life isn't really your own, but all belongs to God. I take that as a comfort, for if I owned what is "mine," I might not manage it so well, as when I see that God has put moral parameters, even upon what seems to be "mine."
World could clearly hold trillions, but that can't happen, except we first grow beyond 10 billion, which might never happen?
I think we should just sterilize every child on the planet that is under the age of 10
aaronvespro 10 hours ago
"The population of earth will peak in 30 years and then start to go back down....." Through disease, starvation, etc. Are we going to keep ourselves in check, or let mother nature do it for us?
yakovlev3a 12 hours ago
what math this is bull shit if 50 million ppl a year die and 70 million are born i think very strongly overpopulation is not a myth. biomass think about it !
OSTlewstein 2 days ago
@OSTlewstein
Actually, net increase is around 80 million per year, so births are over 100 million a year.
Biomass? Relatively cheap biomatter (food) naturally turning into ever more people, each of immense and sacred value, is a great "investment," at least philosophically. Food obviously isn't merely for selfish consumption, but for turning into additional people.
There is no human "overpop," for we are supposed to be so many, and "overpop" assumes people aren't worthy of life.
pronatalist 14 hours ago
more ppl + more ppl = more ppl and less room for anything else. if the entire pop of the world lived in texas they would die off bc there arent enough resources there to support them. i think u need to do the math
rogisajackass 2 days ago 3
@rogisajackass
Only 2 or 3% of land is occupied by cities. It could be more, a lot more, if ever need be. And still, with double-the-pop, or even far more, there would be lots of room for lots of other stuff.
If everybody moved to Texas, I think it could work, with good gov, but then, why would good gov, ask everybody to move to Texas? It's doable, but not recommended, with the rampant corrupt govs we have now. We could all move to Texas and multiply, but no need to move to Texas.
pronatalist 14 hours ago
@rogisajackass There are these things called airplanes and tranes and boats that can transport large amounts of stuff. Like food. And water. Idiot.
aaronvespro 9 hours ago
@aaronvespro And you have gone to the university of what? Charity's have a harder time shipping goods to third-world countries then obtaining them. You can't ship large quantities on Airplanes, it just doesn't happen due to a constant called gravity, and aerodynamics. Farther on that note, where would they get the food and water shipped from if the entire population lived in Texas. And @Colinpri1 Are we assuming that the resources were being shipped in from else where by train?
TheNorthernNalkyrie 9 hours ago
Does the maker of this video not realize that natural resources exist in finite amounts. I suspect a religious Christian nut job made this video.
nkelly1432 2 days ago
@nkelly1432
Why do you parrot same old New World Order criminal elitist depop anti-pop propaganda? Don't you realize that they have to get us to be guilty in our own genocide, to get us to start killing off our children by shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and then abortions when the shoddy contraceptives often inevitably "fail," to get the public so desensitized, that we won't rise up and revolt when NWO finds ever more devious ways to kill us "surplus" pop off?
pronatalist 14 hours ago
@pronatalist Wow dude, you're right. The natural forces of starvation, disease, and war should thin the herd instead of proactive measures to prevent such things from happening in the first place.
nkelly1432 9 hours ago
No chump. You are an ASTROTURFER. I am here to fuck with you.
duffland09 3 days ago
@duffland09
What? You say you are here to learn from me? You came here, to be one of my many fans?
Whatever is an "astro-turfer" anyway? Or is that what YOU are?
Do you crazy liberals think there is but only 1 side to such a controversial argument as the fundamental basic freedom of responsible (married) procreation? Al Gore is wrong. Everybody who disagrees with him, isn't simply a "denier."
Why did you call me a Jew-bot? That means, you are a hater? Only Jews have big families?
pronatalist 14 hours ago
@pronatalist
JEW- self serving virus, that is only interested consuming anything in its path whilst forwarding own greedy agenda.
BOT- Taking on repetitive, robotic-like task without conscious thought.
ASTROTURFER- People or code written that infiltrate social multi media networks, that flood topics perpetually with their own views as to give the impression that it's ideal is populous. Therefore attempting to skew the true social debate.
So rabble on asshole. No one is listening.
duffland09 12 hours ago
putting the people and corporations first, and fuck the planet, this is the message of this video
joridx 3 days ago
Sure we can all keep just spitting out more babies, who needs wildlife, natural scenery, fishing and places to roam freely in solitude. Who needs this high standard if living , such as large backyards, acreages, woodlots and small farms. We can all just keep stacking up untill the whole planet looks like NYC surrounded by huge corporate elite owned mega farms. Human nature is to reprouduce, some women ache with the desire just like all animals. Are we smart enough to overcome the urge?
Greg4632 4 days ago
@Greg4632
Yes, keep letting babies push out, for human life is more important than those other things you listed. And "just a few more billions" which is all we are talking about adding, well at least within the next several decades anyway, as maybe world pop just keep right on expanding?, does not make entire world look like NYC. I don't like such corrupt lib-tard cities, however, I'd much rather be crammed into NYC than not have lived at all
Ache with the desire? So let babies happen
pronatalist 3 days ago
load of shit. Clearly the people making this don't understand the more people there are the more space is needed to grow foods.
ifingeredyourdad 4 days ago
@ifingeredyourdad
The people making this video, had a few points to make, and you could have, should have, showed more respect, for such valid points. People who explain why the world really isn't "overpop," do their part to defend basic human rights, and your individual right, to have however many children you say you need to be fulfilled, or simply "all the children God gives." I more actively defend, people everywhere to multiply at full natural increase rate of fecundity.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@ifingeredyourdad
And you also failed to notice the biological purpose of food. I don't think food is merely for our selfish consumption, nor to eat to the point of gross obesity. The natural purpose of food, is to fuel the natural conversion of cheap biomass (food) into growing numbers of human bodies of each immense and sacred value.
There's an "overpop" theory that says we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist
"There's an "overpop" theory that says we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom."
When animals find a new food resource, they multiply until the resource is fully exploited -- that is, every individual is eating just enough to stay alive. Going through life hungry isn't pleasant, but dumb animals can't do otherwise. They can't plan ahead. Only humans can balance fertility with the need for individual dignity and comfort.
mosquitobight 3 days ago
@mosquitobight
If a doctor misdiagnoses an illness, and prescribes the wrong treatment, is the treatment likely to make the patient well? Probably not. May make the patient, or shall I say, victim, worse. "Overpop" is not the cause of world's social ills, but rather sin. Contraceptives can't cure rampant sin, because overpop isn't the cause.
Humans can plan ahead, make wise investments, expand infrastructure, earn income building more homes, so there's no need to control fertility
pronatalist 3 days ago
@ifingeredyourdad
Purpose of the human reproductive system, is not merely to maintain pop size at "stabilized" (stagnated) size, as the liar NWO criminal elitists mislead us to be confused. It's obviously for people to multiply, for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. No wonder each successive generation tends to naturally grow ever larger than the previous.
Genesis 1: 26 says we aren't animals, but God gave man dominion over nature and animals.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist
"Genesis 1: 26 says we aren't animals, but God gave man dominion over nature and animals."
No gods gave us dominion over animals. Our BRAINS gave us dominion over animals. Acquisition of Knowledge, which you religious people ironically think was a "sin." Without knowledge, our kind is puny apes at the mercy of the bigger predators.
There was never a Garden of Eden. Never a day we didn't have to work for food, shelter, safety and clothes. Our bodies are MADE for work.
mosquitobight 3 days ago
@mosquitobight Finally someone with a mind of their own.
Roxas131413 3 days ago
@mosquitobight
Our bodies were made for work? What? So why does the human brain, need to seemingly nearly "shut down" and rest, for at least a good 8 hours a night? Robots and computers, don't need such rest.
We are human beings, not human doings. We get credit, even just for being. We are not mere cogs in a corrupt system, nor mere work commodity units.
I always seem to run into this, those who easily buy into "overpop" lies, soon trash God, religion, faith, to push their view.
pronatalist 3 days ago
@ifingeredyourdad
Finally, the more people there are, the more people there are who can enjoy or experience life. What more reason do we need, to go on naturally multiplying? Whether more space would be needed to grow more food, is debatable, as farming practices continually improve to better feed growing numbers. But an expanding human pop, would be a great reason to expand farms as well, should it come to be needed.
We should refuse to pollute our bodies with contraceptives.
pronatalist 4 days ago
what a complete load of BOLLOCKS
jamesanonymouswelsh 4 days ago
overpopulation will not peak in 30 years, if it does it's cuz of overpopulation lol. This video makes no sense.
mr13377 4 days ago
@mr13377
Why do I have to explain this? It's obvious why video projects world pop will peak in 30 years. They are basing that claim on projection of actual declining-size family statistics. We'd be nearly "stabilized" (stagnated) by now, were it not for "demographic momentum." Typical family size isn't all that large anymore, but young people reproduce, old people die. World pop is still youthful, due to past high growth
I'd like to see rapid growth, people reject shoddy contraceptives
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist
many poorer countires are way past no return. Look at africa, no outlook to ever be developed so their population will not stabilize as predicted.
mr13377 4 days ago
@mr13377
The theory that you refer to, is called "Demographic Entrapment," the idea that some countries already have such huge or dense pops, that they supposedly can't modernize, and so the bogus "Demographic Transition Theory" can't work, and so high birthrates are perhaps unstoppable? Is that why NWO poisoned Africans with AIDS in the vaccines? I don't believe either theory.
But I also reject pop "stabilization" (stagnation). So more people can live, let pop grow and grow naturally.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@mr13377
How come this wicked, learning-disabled liberal-retard world, didn't learn from Hitler discrediting Nazi eugenics? WW2 wasn't bad enough? Hitler said Germany needs lebensraum (living space or growing room). But history proved that wrong. No more frontiers or territories to claim, planet didn't get bigger, so world pop tripled since then, by countries simply growing denser.
If people have time to multiply more billions before return of Jesus, it will be the same. Grow denser.
pronatalist 4 days ago
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@pronatalist
"If people have time to multiply more billions before return of Jesus, it will be the same. Grow denser."
First there's not going to be a return of Jesus or any other dead famous person. Second, world pop only tripled since WW2 because some countries had agricultural surplus to sell to the countries that fell short of food. As pop grows the number of food importing countries grows and the number of food exporting countries decreases. Pop will outgrow food production.
mosquitobight 3 days ago
@pronatalist
The projections are based on africa developing... problem is the opposite is happening. It will be limited by overpopulation soon tho
mr13377 4 days ago
FUCK YOU.
quantumofhate 5 days ago
would all the farms in the world fit in Texas?
Because the thing is, humans need more than a house to survive.
MoldytoasterMedia 5 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
Many people like to talk about the "living" space, more so than resource consideration, because living space is easier to understand and calculate. Many people don't think much about where their food comes from anyway, as it obviously comes from the supermarket.
So let me finish the saying. "We could all live in Texas and use the U.S. for farmland." It's not a recommendation, merely an illustration that the world is nowhere near "overcrowded" with people.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist The average American uses 40,000 gallons of water a year. If there are 7 billion people living in Texas. Where are you going to find, 280 trillion gallons of water a year in Texas?
MoldytoasterMedia 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
Why did you ask such an easy and obvious question? What's that blue stuff all over the globe? Would that be WATER?
Desalination powered by "free energy."
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist Energy isn't free. Everything comes with a cost.
MoldytoasterMedia 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
How do you totally miss the entire point? "Free energy" is a completely different class of energy. It's not entirely free, for the cost of the machine, may be a little. The idea is, it's like the proverbial "perpetual motion machine." Once built, it just runs and runs. "Free energy" taps nuclear power, thermal energy all around us, or zero point energy of the subatomic.
I'm not talking of gov subsidy, but releasing technology gov is already hiding from us?
pronatalist 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
If "free energy" was used to power your car, then if it was of tapping thermal energy, then your car radiator would get cold rather than hot. The energy is self-replenishing, as "Nature abhors a vacuum." The colder the radiator gets, the more heat it sucks from the surrounding air, which always has some heat. Once the energy is used, it becomes heat again, so it's zero net effect, but makes your car powered for free.
If you have home nuclear power plant, it
pronatalist 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
If you have a home nuclear power plant, that is "free energy," then it may look like just another electrical box next to your main power panel. No shoveling in coal, no connection to the natural gas line, no smoke, no emissions, little or no maintenance. Comes with the house, lasts nearly the life of the house. Might get a little warm, if you are pulling a heavy load.
"Cold fusion," or more accurately, low energy nuclear reactions, do not produce radiation.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
"Free energy" of the nuclear kind, is what the electric car has been missing. Finally a car could be all electric, without having to recharge, nor having to refuel. It would just go and go. You could leave the heat on, all winter, no more iced windshields nor cold car in the morning.
The flying cars on the futuristic The Jetsons cartoon, are "free energy" nuclear-powered. What else could the code "power pellets" mean? Huge energy, super-fast, seldom refueled
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist You imbocile. You don't even get the fundermentals of ecology.
duffland09 12 hours ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
Did you not pay attention to the part I said about "Everybody could live in Texas" is NOT a recommendation to move to Texas?
What's wrong with char count?
pronatalist 4 days ago
@MoldytoasterMedia
I wish people would start digging into whether the gov is indeed hiding "free energy" and flying saucers technology from us, for that does answer to the resources question, and strongly suggest that world pop could even easier, be welcome to grow a lot denser. Why do I hear so many talk about "free energy," "cold fusion," but no "free energy" products for sell yet in the markets? Gov coverup, lies?
God provided ample resources, but NWO blocks development.
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist You believe in a God and the NWO, that says just enough about you...
Undergroundhiphoop 4 days ago
@Undergroundhiphoop
What? You deny both God and the NWO? So what do you believe in? Do you believe any "conspiracy theories" at all, or are you so gullible you just believe whatever the "idiot tube" TV tells you?
Surely you don't believe that the Branch Davidians' compound just happened to catch on fire, when the "helpless" gov thugs had them surrounded for months? And gov couldn't ever produce any weapons that Davidian cult supposedly had?
You actually believe we got Osama?
pronatalist 4 days ago
@Undergroundhiphoop
Watch some conspiracy videos on YT and stop being so stupid. Videos galore about NWO, how 9-11 was an inside job. What? A fire that would have been mostly out, melted steel structure building, and yet the fire in your space heater, burns continuously, and your steel heater doesn't melt? So hot to melt steel, but not the people standing in the gaping holes? Explain building 7, 47-stories tall, came down just like controlled demolition,not even hit by planes
pronatalist 4 days ago
@Undergroundhiphoop
Back to pop issue.
How is it, that people did so well for 6000 years, without "birth control," and now supposedly, all of a sudden, need to "control" their fertility?
Why? So that the people are duped into not revolting against the vast wealth that NWO has stolen and squandered, impoverishing entire countries? So we can "volunteer" contracepting towards our own genocide?
Tired of old while men, Bush guilty in 9-11, messing up country, so Obama messes too?
pronatalist 4 days ago
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@pronatalist
"How is it, that people did so well for 6000 years, without "birth control," and now supposedly, all of a sudden, need to "control" their fertility?"
Because in the past if a village got too big there was always empty decent farmland for some villagers to go and start a new village. We're running out of room to do that now.
By the way people have been around MUCH longer than 6000 years. Stop pretending to believe otherwise.
mosquitobight 3 days ago
@Undergroundhiphoop
Watch documentaries by Alex Jones, and come to understand how every President we had recently, have all been but the latest face on NWO establishment puppets.
Why are we being drugged and poisoned by Big Pharma, autism-causing vaccines, unhealthy foods, chem-trails, and sodium fluoride in our city tap water?
Why is NWO criminal elitist hands all into the profits of corporations which profit every time NWO stirs up yet another war?
Why taxes always go up?
pronatalist 4 days ago
@pronatalist Alex Jones is stupid, I used to believe in that shit but that was when I was like 13, I'm a grown man now, sort of. And building 7 crashing down "controlled" the video is edited, it's a bit fast forwarded so that you can't see it going down like a real building does when it collapses when it's not controlled. Listen to what scientist say, and not Alex Jones. There is no point in arguing with you since I know it won't change your mind because I've been there. Bye.
Undergroundhiphoop 4 days ago
@Undergroundhiphoop
How is Alex Jones stupid, well unless he has not even a plan how to escape America when "the stuff hits the fan?" Of course, he may be on the red list, of people to round up, 2 weeks before Marshall Law is officially declared, although we are being phased into it, already?
Watch Dr. Judy Wood's YT video on 9-11, or explore her book, "Where Did the Towers Go?" Before it's too late to do anything about NWO designs against you. Watch 9-11 YT videos for info.
pronatalist 3 days ago
... it requires that the population growth declines. It might not, especially if people like the makers of this video tell people not to worry about the problem.
kaanatakan 6 days ago
@kaanatakan
No, there is no requirement that the natural human pop growth decline. Families can obviously remain growing as large as ever, even in today's populous world.
Human pop growth might not decline any more, but not due so much to this YT video. Obviously, most people aren't going to watch this video anyway. Among the people most procreating, probably most don't watch YT anyway.
Somebody said, Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, do their part to make sure pop never goes down.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@kaanatakan
"Carrying capacity" is a New World Order criminal elitist pagan interpretation, that assumes that people are just animals, contradicting what Genesis 1: 26 says, in that man is given, by God, dominion over nature and other creatures, meaning we aren't animals
There's an "overpop" theory that we have "too much" food, which fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom. I don't believe food to be a restraint, a practical reason to let world pop density rise freely
pronatalist 5 days ago
and all farmland was cultivated at maximum efficiency then we can stave off reaching the earths carying capacity for a while longer. But stabilization at 9 billion is just one prediction and...
kaanatakan 6 days ago
@kaanatakan "and all farmland was cultivated at maximum efficiency" - But we discover new methods of using farmland every year. Scientists inveted a grain crop which outproduces all previous ones last year. Overpopulation myths dont factor in technology and prices.
GermanConquistador08 6 days ago
@GermanConquistador08
Yes, liberals are horribly guilty of "static" analysis. That's a reason why their stupid tax increases, often fail to increase tax revenue. Liberals assume you can monkey around with a system, and only the variable they change, will change. Yet people change their behaviors to avoid the taxes. If you slap tanning salons with a stupid tax, people will tan from the sun for free. Or the economy slows down, or moves more "underground," not reporting.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@pronatalist I agree with everything you said I believe....yeah.
GermanConquistador08 5 days ago
@GermanConquistador08
The world is not "static," but incredibly dynamic, factors affecting other factors, in sometimes very complicated ways. And there is an underlying intelligence behind "nature," behind markets, behind a lot of things.
If world pop "gets out of hand," that doesn't mean it's a "danger" to itself. But rather, simply people and nature ADAPTING to a higher and denser world pop. The very premise is that of excessive gov control, for "out of hand" is FREEDOM.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@GermanConquistador08
India has roughly, 3 people per 2 acres of land. More countries are reaching the arbitrary "tipping point" of going from multiple acres of land per person, to multiple people per acre. Yet, India added some 200 million more people, to their already-a-billion, over the last decade. That suggests to me, that they aren't "overpop," for if they were, then how are they still growing, a little bit faster even, than the global average?
Let global density rise
pronatalist 5 days ago
@kaanatakan
I meant to say "MY diet," not "might diet." Sorry about the typo.
If we want to use farmland at maximum efficiency, then should we get the evil gov out of everybody business, get gov to stop harassing or interfering with farming operations, and stop paying farmers to produce less?
Pop "stabilization" at 9 billion is a common demographic prediction, however, it's based not really so much on "Demographic Transition Theory" as on underlying rampant contraceptive pushing.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@kaanatakan
I have no wish nor agenda to stagnate at any "peak" pop size, but rather, for individual freedom to OBEY God's commandment to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, so I welcome large families worldwide, and to eagerly urge world pop soar freely, leaving it up to God, how populous we shall ultimately someday become.
Since the truth is, "Demographic Transition Theory" isn't really so natural, and it's rampant contraceptive pushing, I doubt "stabilize at 9 billion."
pronatalist 5 days ago
If you count only agricultural land then we would be using about 75% of it. Now of course we don't all need to eat like Americans. If we waste less and eat less meat than the average american...
kaanatakan 6 days ago
@kaanatakan
I would gladly alter might diet, if a vegetarian or whatever diet would mean a much more pop-dense world could eat. However, the evidence suggests that such alternation, wouldn't do so much good as "overpop" theorists suggest, and that it's unnecessary. As somebody explained, eating animals buys food security. Creates incentive for farmers to produce far more food than needed to feed everybody. In a time of famine, we could stop feeding animals, and eat the animals.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@kaanatakan
Also, it seems that marginal lands can produce grass, either than desired crops? Can people eat grass so well? But cows convert grass into milk, cheese, and meat. So are cows perhaps doing some part, towards helping the planet grow more dense with people?
I would much rather give up meat, than be asked to use unnatural shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs. Some avoid "unclean" meats or meat altogether. But those who force changes, seek to spread poverty?
pronatalist 5 days ago
... then we would need about 1.2 acres of land per person. That comes out to between 20-25% of the earth's entire land area. Including desert, tundra and mountains.
kaanatakan 6 days ago
This video is ridiculous. Yes we could all "live" very comfortably in an area the size of Texas. However we can not live without eating. If we all ate like the average American does...
kaanatakan 6 days ago
We're overpopulating in the sense that we cannot have sustainability. Finite resources like oil and coal deplete more quickly because we are too many. Food is not really something that is finite in the same sense as those resources, as you can grow more food. You can't grow more oil or coal and chance is, when it comes to bio fuels, that you are wasting more energy than you are producing.
MrUberAnarchist 1 week ago
@MrUberAnarchist
What if energy, turns out to be just as "unlimited" as the food, if not more so? Look into the possibility, as to whether the gov might be hiding "free energy" and flying saucer technologies from us?
NWO criminal elitists, would love for gullible Americans to believe their lies of "Peak Oil," for it makes the people fearful and easy for them to control and manipulate. But when people learn the truth, they protest for their rights.
Ample room for billions more.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Energy is not as unlimited as food, as of now, because we don't have good ways to tap that infinite energy. 'Infinite' energy is just as finite as say, oil, because in a couple of billion years, the sun will die. Meanwhile we can use wind and solar power, but it's not nearly as efficient as oil or coal. Oil and coal are VERY finite and will run out in the next 40-50 years. The oil will run out sooner than the coal, in about 20-30 years.
MrUberAnarchist 6 days ago
@MrUberAnarchist
What do I care if you claim I sound ridiculous? So you are entitled to your stupid opinion? So what? I'd rather say, "Everybody is entitled to my opinions." Sounds so much cooler.
If "free energy" isn't infinite, that's completely irrelevant. At least has no relevance, until you figure out how to live eternally without God, which I don't see happening anytime soon. "Free energy" works as long as the sun shines, and the world has some heat. Plenty good enough.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@MrUberAnarchist
You know, I see solar and wind energy, almost as a deliberate gov diversion. They want to fund things as political payoffs, that can't possibly work, so that we see lots more tyrantObama Solindra scandals. So gov can say, "Look, we tried. It didn't work, so now we have to reduce 'surplus'pop"
I see deliberate disinfo on PBS TV channel, they want to tap wind energy with ridiculous kites, and I see $ signs a lot more than cheap KWHs. Not 1 mention of "free energy"
pronatalist 6 days ago
@MrUberAnarchist
I did describe a few details of "free energy" I hope? Well unless that was on another YT video?
Some time ago, I figured there's basically 3 types or sources for "free energy." First a definition. "Free energy" is reliable alternative energy, that is 24-7 and doesn't require human labor to keep it flowing. Free energy can come from tapping ambient heat energy in the air all around us. Or from "cold fusion" or tiny nuclear reactors. Or "zero point" subatomic.
pronatalist 6 days ago
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It's not about how much land there is to live on. It's about energy consumption. Too little energy for too little people. Dislike this video if you like this comment.
Tumbletruff 1 week ago
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Tumbletruff 1 week ago
You do the math dickhead. Try and learn the Theory of Exponetial Function. Learn about 'Doubling time' you chump. This vid is an absoulute BS.
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duffland09 1 week ago
@duffland09
It is not me who has "lost credibility." Why did you ignore the valid points of the video, and of me defending human dignity and individual freedom?
Humans simply are not subject to "supply and demand" devaluation as you suggest, for God imputes great value to us, and we value ourselves. Therefore, each and every human life is immensely valuable and sacred, no matter how many "burgeoning billions" we may someday become. It's pagan philosophies that seek to devalue us.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist Ahhhhh.... yawn... god Bothering Retard. Kill yourself. YOU ARE A VIRUS WITH SHOES. god and little baby jebus are all in you Imagination. I just couldn't take somebody seriously whom thinks imaginary people run this world. I didn't even read your dribble. It's just ASTROTURF. Fuck off and stop wiping your ass on our internet.
duffland09 6 days ago
@duffland09
So you are quite the comedian today? Your internet? It's my internet too. And look where this discussion is taking place. On a video that agree with me, more so than with you? Have you looked around the internet lately? Anything reasonable to ridiculous, is all over the internet, everything from serious discussion about alternative energy that fires the electric company, to the most ridiculous celebrity gossip and tyrant Obummer worship.
Your internet? That's retarded.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist ASTROTURFING JEWBOT. Fuck off and Die!
duffland09 3 days ago
@duffland09
So what sort of debating tactic, is your anti-Semitic remarks? Shows you not only are wrong, but a sore loser?
And what does "Jew" have to do with anything? The real agenda?
pronatalist 3 days ago
@duffland09
God sent his prophets to warn the people of their sin and of the soon-coming judgment against them, if they don't quickly repent. Did people listen? Sometimes they did, but often, the people didn't. So why does God send prophets to stubborn people who won't listen? So in the end, people will only have themselves to blame, for God gave them a conscious, they were warned, and they repented not, so God is fully justified to cause them to perish
Yes, a few have listened to me
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
Some have listened even on this YouTube comments forum
Some time ago, a friend confided to me, that they had decided to try for a 5th child. A coworker told me, that his wife wants 6 children, but he wasn't so sure. Now why do people tell me such things? Obviously, some have some respect for my views, and they know I am right to defend the human dignity, that human pops simply have to go on rising. Obviously, many people already have their reasons for having many children
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
Why do you insult me, and insinuate that I don't understand exponential function, and how "unchecked" human pop expansion, tends to grow exponentially? I solved by algebra myself, how to use log or ln log function, to exactly calculate "doubling time" from annual growth rate.
I think even liberals would agree with, desire, as the numbers of women of childbearing age naturally rises throughout much of the world, we have to allow growing numbers to become sexually active.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
Where we obviously disagree, is that people of faith like me, do not believe in trying to "limit" the natural pop growth with contraceptives. What part of God's commandment, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, do we not understand? This commandment further implies, that it is God who is responsible for determining our ultimately pop size, not man. To refuse to multiply, isn't that rebellion?
Those who improved public sanitation, never asked we use "birth control"
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
A few months ago, I wondered, why did world pop so much "take off" right after WW2, around 1950? Is it just the soldiers returning home, wanting to start their families? "The Pill" wasn't foisted onto us, until the rebellion "Free Love" 1960s?
Lesbian witch, Margaret Sanger, wrote that people should enjoy "unlimited" sex without the "burdens" of "unwanted" children, in some crap writings about the "wickedness" of having large families. Are we "entitled" to unlimited sex?
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
As recently as the 1950s, according to a book I have around here somewhere, people just had children and didn't count the cost. Until recently, contraceptives, if people had even heard of such devices, were thought bizarre and obscene.
Probably in the past, if a family was "done" have children, they were "done" having sex. Not all, but only with some. Obviously, families were commonly large for a reason. But now we are supposedly entitled" to "unlimited" sex? Really?
pronatalist 6 days ago
@duffland09
But are we really "entitled" to profane God's sacred procreative purpose of sex, and make it into a carnal selfish perverted thing of lust? Read Romans 1, and tell me what it says about this very matter?
Yes, like most people, I agree with the "unlimited" sex part. Marriage obviously has its many benefits. But what happens when predictably, billions of people somehow discover practical and "religious" objections to use of "birth control?" Seems we MUST let pops soar.
pronatalist 6 days ago
Ohh it's pro-life propaganda. Of course there's no facts.
Syrmata 1 week ago
@Syrmata I don't understand how there isn't overpopulation. I was reading economic reports claiming that the Arab countries alone need to create over 100 million jobs in the coming decades. I think there confusing Western fertility rates with the entire planets. Muslim countries have high fertility rates.
ChasteRoue 1 week ago
@ChasteRoue jobs are not the answer for everything. more divergent thinking is the way of the future.... non-human resources are going to have an impact on the entire planet. and what good is it if every "able-bodied" person on the planet had a job if there were no good resources to manufacture stuff for us to buy? i just think it's a bigger picture is all...
btw... forgive me for the "able-bodied" cliche... (which job-pushers constantly use)
gnosiszenlotus 1 week ago
@gnosiszenlotus Lunar and Martian colonization! YAY! I should buy real estate now!
ChasteRoue 1 week ago
@ChasteRoue
I love to see people colonizing the moon and Mars, and other worlds, IN THE MOVIES. But I just don't see it happening, in Bible prophecy. Isn't that too much like man, trying to be like God, the failing of Lucifer? Sure, I'd love for the human race to naturally "outgrow" this world and spread to more worlds, like in Star Trek. But I just don't see technology moving much in that direction. In fact, moon landings likely were faked. Technology is moving towards DENSER planet
pronatalist 6 days ago
@gnosiszenlotus
Jobs are not the answer for everything? So what is the Bible talking about, when it says if a man will not work, neither should he eat? An economy based upon gov confiscating wealth from the productive, and rewarding the irresponsible and unproductive, is an economy that is unsustainable and will soon surely collapse or fall into huge need for reforms. Capital flight soon occurs, as even investors realize that fiat paper currency debasement eats up their earnings.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist just from talking to you "pronatalist" i am now a card carrying NWO elitist, just bought some Monsanto shares, went into business with A.Q.Khan's long lost hidden brother and can't wait to destroy you. but 1st i must plot the biggest and most ridiculous conspiracy ever, even though i have more than enuf nukes to do it.
and btw... your "Capital flight" speech was plagiarized. ur such a f/n schmuck i'm going to enjoy it when your suffering matches your ignorance.
gnosiszenlotus 6 days ago
@gnosiszenlotus
Are you telling me, that you approve of the way that Monsanto is damaging the food security of the world, and harassing the farmers who produce your food? It seems to me, you don't go around accusing farmers of "saving seed," and trying to put them out of business, especially in a world where pop is still rising and the planet continues to grow ever denser with people. How reckless can greed be?
Capital flight speech was plagiarized? What? So what? Not in college
pronatalist 5 days ago
@gnosiszenlotus
Why do you assume that my "capital flight" speech should necessarily be original? Like I'm so smart, and nobody thought of my ideas before me? Most of what I say, isn't all that original. Natural and deliberate pronatalist influences of society, didn't start with me. It's the crazed femi-nazis who want to go around breastfeeding in public, not realizing it's not their idea, for that's already common practice in developing countries where childbearing is the norm.
pronatalist 5 days ago
@gnosiszenlotus
The resources are there, and far more abundant than we are often told. God would not command people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, then deny us the needed means and resources to do so. That would make God the sinner, and not us.
Wake up and study the conspiracy theories. It's tyrant Obama blocking our jobs and the Keystone Oil Pipeline. Gov may already be hiding "free energy" and flying saucers.
Corporations should not "own" life with seed patents
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist you god ppl are so insane, asinine, and toxic... both to yourselves and to the rest of the world. your 'godly' arguments are just based on assumptions that even a kid could figure out: IF god made everything, THEN he made evil too, which includes all the "7 deadly sins".
b4 you get all bent out of shape and misrepresent what i'm saying, i'm NOT saying 'god' is this or that... i'm saying that YOUR LOGIC about 'god' is a CIRCULAR ARGUMENT. google it bcuz i'm sure u dk
gnosiszenlotus 6 days ago
@gnosiszenlotus
Why are you ranting and raving like a lunatic? Seems as if I threw a stone into a pack of dogs, and the way you are hollering, you must have been the dog that got hit? So what does that mean? You will soon discover that your arguments don't make any sense, and have to also become a pronatalist?
Noah Webster, of dictionary fame, said that the things around us could not have made themselves. A study showed those who best understand evolution, believe it not true.
pronatalist 5 days ago
Where was this video's math?
Syrmata 1 week ago
@Syrmata a christian made this video... and they hide the math, evidence, & science until they get too popular to ignore... that's when their messages and teachings have suddenly becomes 'metaphorical' all along.
gnosiszenlotus 1 week ago
The future is going to suck. It will suck even more when you all realize that reality is an illusion. Heheh
tsukakunzack 1 week ago
@tsukakunzack No it means its a dream. Lets try not to make it a nightmare.
CharizardIam 1 week ago
@tsukakunzack
I am still optimistic about the future, but not so optimistic, about the problematic present.
The answers are there, but the NWO criminal elitists don't want us discovering the free energy and flying saucers that gov may already be hiding from us. They don't want us having power, for free, that they can't meter and bill for. It's such a huge leveling-of-the-playing-field, that when the poor become more like the rich, they will revolt against rich overlording them.
pronatalist 1 week ago
YOU FUCKING MORONS ALWAYS TALK THE PLANETS NOT OVERPOPULATED. OK FINE THEN IN YOUR WISDOM PLEASE TELL US ALL WHEN IS IT OVERPOPULATED ? WHAT WHEN THERE IS NO FOREST LEFT WHEN ALL THE FOSSIL FUELS ARE GONE? THERE IS NO MORE DRINKABLE WATER.MOST OF YOU MORONS CANT THINK PASSED WHAT HAPPENS ON GLEE.OR FACEBOOK.AND PLEASE SHUT THE F@#K UP ABOUT GOD WHAT A WASTE OF TIME I KNOW IF MOST OF YOU CHOSE NOT TO REPRODUCE EARTH WILL BE THE BENEFICIARY.
vishee2906 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Why don't those who think there's "too many" people in the world, volunteer to lessen the pop, by ceasing to live? What? No volunteers? Then you must like having the pop size so "huge," so that you can live too?
There are no "surplus" people, for we are created in the image of God, and every individual has immense and sacred value. This of course, is a common "religious" reason why billions of people do not practice "birth control."
Religion is huge reason for pop so high
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist its not the point that you or i should kill our self's. the problem as with anything is denial and ignorance..ignorance as thinking there is a magical god in the clouds and thinking that you can just keep pumping out babies and the planet will magically get bigger. that we can keep cutting down trees to grow more food and that's not going to bite us in the ass.try this put up a one acre fence put a male and female dog in with food and water how long till over populated.
vishee2906 1 week ago
@vishee2906
1st option is to SPREAD OUT. That's what Abraham and Lot's growing tribes did, so that they could go right on growing. But perhaps you say, the world just doesn't have the frontiers it once had. On a spherical planet, there's just but so far we people can spread out, before we run into ourselves again? But you forget, there's 2 other perceptional dimensions people can yet grow into. Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards.
Make planet "bigger" by urging countries to grow denser.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
And what's really so wrong, with the planet being so full of people, that it's human life only?
What is your perception problem, that you don't try harder to see the value in human life? Do you not believe in God? Or perhaps, you think God has gone on a far trip and forgotten about us? You think God doesn't care for his creation, and won't provide for us?
Isn't it possible, if humans could someday "outgrow" this world, we might spread to, or God might give, more worlds?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
How is you or I, having fewer children, going to keep pop from rising in Africa or Middle East, among Muslims or Hindus, or wherever pop is supposedly growing the most? If developing countries are enjoying having so many children, why can't we also?
I have a fancy graphing calculator. I have many good calculators. I am a math whiz. Yes, I know most all the flaws in demographic pop extrapolation assumptions.
Yes, we CAN keep pumping out babies naturally, well into future.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Interesting you bring up your dog "overpop" analogy, and so now I'll tell you, why it does NOT prove your argument.
People are not animals, according to Genesis 1: 26, where God gave dominion over nature and other creatures, to man.
People multiply more slowly than dogs. Longer gestational time, longer generation time, and we don't have "litters" of babies, but (usually) just 1 baby at a time.
Picture in my mind, Looney Toons cartoon, Sylvester trying to get Tweety bird.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Problem is, between Sylvester cat, and Tweety bird, is this yard, ridiculously packed full of bulldogs. What? Maybe dear old granny didn't have the heart to get her pets spayed or neutered? Or maybe, it's one of those crazy ladies, who just feels compelled to adopt every stray in the neighborhood? (Oh, yeah, then why are they all bulldogs of the same color? Due to unimaginative cartoon artists?) But the dogs don't care they are "overpop," for Granny always feeds them.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Who's to say we can't "overpop" our aquariums? Technically, compared to natural neglected wilderness norms, every aquarium is "overpop." Why else would the aquarium need a filter and gurgling water\air pump to keep the water oxygenated? We want aquarium "overpop," because who wants to see huge aquarium with only 1 tiny fish in it? Boring. For more color and diversity of life, we make water "thick" with fish, and then add in "artificial" life support, so fish can cope.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
We get our pets "fixed," if we so choose, because their owners, people, are their "higher power" to decide for them, what's best for them. They don't need offspring, for they have us for families. Pets don't have "human rights" so we are authorized to get them "fixed" if we choose to, for mere animals can't adapt on their own, to the "artificially" high urban densities we let them breed up to.
God our "higher power," commands us to multiply and fill the earth. So we do.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
You know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. Well even if so, I'd much rather have freedom and the personal responsibility that goes along with it, than global tyranny.
Yes, we CAN keep on pumping out babies, and living to 80 and 90.
You don't have to use a lot of imagination to see and develop places all around to put more people. Build more cities, for people need the jobs anyway. If or when those cities grow too full, keep building huger cities
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
You talk about putting a male and female dog together and giving them food, and will their pop grow? Have you looked around you lately? Ever notice the world is very co-ed? Males and females, all around, ample opportunities to marry and procreate. Mad scientists do bizarre "overpop" experiments upon animals, for they see we apparently have the "unlimited" food, which "too much" food fuels "wild" pop growth, at least in the animal kingdom.
Do you want sex-segregated world?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist the point was!! without some form of restraint (birth control) the world those dogs live in will soon be overpopulated and polluted you jackass..look you dumb fuck when you figure out how to get six gallons of water in a five gal bucket talk with me then ok.you are clueless on how much this planet is being polluted with the present pop. and you think we need to add more? what a blind idiot.and i am not name calling i am being descriptive.
vishee2906 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Do we expect our dogs to show "birth control" restraint? Not so much, we just go get them "fixed" if we don't plan to breed them. Makes them less aggressive, less distracted, and better pets. But dogs do not have "human rights," nor do we expect that dogs have any need for sex.
Humans do not multiply as fast as dogs, and we people curiously enjoy being constantly "in heat" year-round. With nearly daily sex, that's a lot of chances for shoddy contraceptives to "fail."
pronatalist 6 days ago
@vishee2906
I look to the Bible for the standards, even concerning sex, and the only "restraint" I see there, is no sex outside of marriage. In fact, to enjoy sex morally, obviously have long been a natural incentive why people usually get married, quite often rather young actually, until the recent "great falling away" wicked times.
I agree very much with welcoming human pops to grow and grow freely, unhindered, unrestrained. A very high pop allows a lot more billions to enjoy life
pronatalist 6 days ago
@vishee2906
With the present "huge" pop, do we need to add more? YES! I've seen figures of near 2 billion women of childbearing age, and they say the world has a billion teenagers, so we may soon surpass 2 billion. Does that sound easily "controllable" to you? We simply do not have 2 billion baby birth canal hole corks. We don't want Big Brother gov in a billion bedrooms. Not even the proper nor practical role of gov. If people can't, or won't, "control" themselves, then pop rises.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@vishee2906
Yes, you are name-calling, for I find your claims invalid. Where is your religious and practical tolerance of other people and beliefs? Natural increase of people, is quite NATURAL. Our ancestors thought so, for families were commonly large, and the growing pops may have been a factor in people seeking to spread themselves widely all over the planet. Not merely to escape "overcrowding," but check your history carefully. For freedom, and due to "duty" to enlarge total pops
pronatalist 6 days ago
@vishee2906
If the planet is being polluted by a world pop that has just somehow grown so "huge," then isn't that what technology is for, to find better ways of doing things, and help us ADAPT to we can keep on multiplying while making world safer and more comfortable for "burgeoning billions?"
Maybe some pollution is just how it is. Toilets after all, have to flush to "somewhere." But logic says to keep the pollution (unnatural contraceptives, sewage) farther away from our bodies.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@vishee2906
You don't like to hear about "religion and God," even though somebody said that the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims do their part, to make sure the pop never goes down? Then how can you understand why humans became so incredibly numerous and our pops continue to grow?
How about Utilitarian Principle, that often the best thing to do, is that which most benefits the most people? I am not alone to note this implies massive pop growth, for some website also said this.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist yes if i told you to pray to the tooth fairy and all your problems would go away you would call me nuts well back at ya! remember as you pray to the tooth fairy all you need is faith.look earths pop. problem is because of that idiotic book go forth and multiply bull shit. and not one fucking moron could take out there calculator and say wait on minute we cant keep pumping out babies like this. but they could do it to count there fucking money.
vishee2906 1 week ago
@vishee2906
There are many philosophical arguments for the natural and "unrestrained" world pop growth. Under Utilitarian Principle reasoning, the more populous we become, the more people there are around to benefit from whatever. So "uncontrolled" childbirth is far more likely to be "good" and not "bad."
But can you see? that even the "weight of numbers" argues for allowing, even urging, human pops everywhere to freely expand. More people means more people wanting more children.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Sure, forests have some value, but lands "bursting at the seams" with people, have far more value than empty uninhabited lands. It would be far better to have a world so full of people, that there's just not much room any more for forests or "open" countryside, than to have a lower pop. Why? Weight of numbers. People still want to live and be born, even if "overcrowded." Far more people benefit from high pop.
It's Obama's fault, blocking the Keystone Oil Pipeline.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist ok i tried untill i got to this your a crazy fuck if you think that humans destroying the plantet and doing so earth will stay in balance makes you a complete fucking moron.kill everything on the planet so one more human can stand there is your good idea your a idiot.YOU CANT FUCK THE PLANET UP SO BAD THAT THERE IS NO LIFE OTHER THEN HUMAN LIFE YOU JACKASS YOU THINK EARTH HAS ENDLESS RESOURCES YOU JACKASS read a book. THE IMPORTANCE OF FOREST ANY BOOK PLEASE..JUST READ
vishee2906 1 week ago
@vishee2906
Wake up and see the truth. It's not rising pop, causing those problems, it's NWO criminal elitist meddling, manufacturing phony scarcity. Rising pop, and the technologies it naturally accelerates, makes things LESS scarce. But certain powers-that-be, meddle with the economic process, to deny what people want, because not only does NWO steal and squander the wealth of nations, but they are bored with our money and want all the power too.
Oceans full of (desalination) water
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist YOU... JUST...CAN'T...KEEP...PUMPING...OUT...BABIES...
NWO OR NOT YOU CANT KEEP PUMPING OUT BABIES AND PEOPLE LIVING TILL 80 -90 YRS AND THINK ITS ALL GOING TO BE HUNKY DORY YOU JACKASS. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL OR I FEEL IT'S ABOUT REALITY MATH.
vishee2906 1 week ago
You should get information from somewhere else than Fox news
Apiaanilol 1 week ago
You do the math!
man8785 1 week ago
Fail.
Thomas Malthus was essentially right.. NOT factoring in globalization and increased food production. However, even with globalization and increased production, there are still limits. People are already starving to death, and the population is still growing.
xESOTERlC 1 week ago
What a bunch of crap... I just did the math. If all the world population lived in texas, each person would have 102 square metres to live on and live off.
Fante247 1 week ago
@Fante247
You're completely right!
Texas has around 700.000 sqaure kilometers of area.
World population 7.000.000.000 people
Makes 10.000 people per square km!
Bangladesh, the most densly populated country in the world has not even 1.000 ppl/sqkm...
Even Hongkong has "only" 7000. Texas would have to be a completely built out high-rise mega-city to cram so many people in there.
doppelzoo 1 week ago 2
@Fante247
If the density were like metro atlanta, "every family a house and a yard" we would get 630 ppl/sqkm. Which means we would need over 11.000.000 sqkm of area!
That's more than the whole united states, under the premise of no mountains - everything totally suburbs from one end to another. And we still wouldn't fit all people in there.
doppelzoo 1 week ago
peak oil?
MegaWallaceR 1 week ago
wow i'm wondering where that texas stat came from.
willberthepig 1 week ago
The "Population Research Institute":
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Population_Research_Institute
A "Pro-Life" group, funded by right-wingers. There is no overpopulation, no ressource crisis, no limits for growth. Just relax and keep procreating, it's god's will. Everything will be fine, everything will get better by itself, just sit down and watch more TV.
We can fill the whole world with people and suburbanize them like we did in America. Move on, nothing to see here.
doppelzoo 1 week ago
@doppelzoo haha! don't move too fast doppelzoo
willberthepig 1 week ago
@doppelzoo dangerous ideas readily accepted by solipsistic masses
jdis 1 week ago
@doppelzoo - The more the merrier they say!! Procreate!!
limoboss6242 1 week ago
@pronatalist National Geographic. It was just a prediction, but they say that is what will happen if current population trends continue. Also, one thing we have to remember is that it's not space we need, but 2:3 of the human race is in poverty/dosen't have clean drinking water. (I forgot which...) They have a video on YouTube.
AKArainkit 2 weeks ago
@AKArainkit
9 billion? That's all? You'd think the way the pop phobics whine, that was a lot?
Why does the world have so much poverty? Because the world is awash in paper fiat currency dishonest money. Fiat paper was designed, to transfer wealth from the people, to the dishonest money "printers." They use fiat paper to drain capitalism of capital, to tax the producers, and to pay off the unproductive. This increasingly tends towards squandering of entire countries' wealth.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
This is a way oversimplified analyisis. Just because we could all live together on a land mass the size of Texas doesn't mean that overpopulation isn't real and serious. Sure uhhhh the cool picture that you provided shows Texas all blacked-out and it doesn't look very big compared to the rest of the world duuuuurrrrrrrr. But you didn't talk about the level of consumption and pollution that occurs and how taxing it is on our planet when the human population is so high.
trugangsta4real 2 weeks ago
@trugangsta4real
No better alternative, than to embrace world pop now being so high, for the more populous we grow, the more people there are then, wanting children. The number of women of childbearing age, is higher than it has previously been, or so said some pop article I read long ago. Those are very understandable reasons, and I'm quite sure that the reasons that so many parents have many children, are PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH.
"Live in Texas" is illustration of not-crowded world
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@trugangsta4real
Most thinking people, tend to use simple arguments like "There's places all around we can put more people." Not only is this true, but it implies that most reasonable people, would much rather let pop naturally grow more dense worldwide, than to be told how many children they may have. Perhaps that's why everybody in my informal survey, said God's commandment to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, still applies.
A more dense world can make place for all
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
We're expected to reach 19 billion by 2040.
Just thought you should know.
AKArainkit 2 weeks ago
@AKArainkit
I have no objection to the world growing to 19 billion by 2040 - 19 billion+ reasons to be so many, however, where did you come up with such a high projection? Family size would have to rebound to the large size of a half century ago, to reach such high numbers so fast. Not possible, by the commonly accepted demographic trends of even "at current rates." That's more than double world pop size, in less than 30 years. That's not going to happen at 1.2% annual growth rate.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
I personally think that life itself should be exterminated. All problems solved. Too bad that's impossible to achieve unless I kill myself before I can't get the space enough to breath or the clean air to breath. The world is doomed. We should all just die. I support the right to commit suicide.
jake5fiend 2 weeks ago
@jake5fiend But no one gives a shit about nihilism
Nauarattaa 2 weeks ago
@jake5fiend
So you don't believe in life, and yet you continue to live? Isn't that hypocritical? God is the author of life. You aren't grateful to be alive? So who would be saved, if there was no life? Who would be around to benefit?
How is it, that the government monopoly schools, or whatever has influenced you in such a negative way, can just suck the logic out of your mind?
There is ample space for human pops to grow and grow, well beyond your expected lifespan. It's not so bad.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@jake5fiend
Furthermore, you do not have the right to commit suicide, for Exodus 20 says Thou shalt not kill. God owns everything, so your life isn't really your own, but all belongs to God. I take that as a comfort, for if I owned what is "mine," I might not manage it so well, as when I see that God has put moral parameters, even upon what seems to be "mine."
World could clearly hold trillions, but that can't happen, except we first grow beyond 10 billion, which might never happen?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago