The world is not just for humans and their cars, big houses, fancy gadgets, and all the essentials to a modern life that I and most of the world are accustomed to. What is the point of fitting more human population in the world when it forces many other creature closer to extinction due to lose of habitats so you can have more malls, schools, factories, farms, and jewelries?
This appeals to people who believe that GMO food is good.
The ingestion of The GMO food causes an immune response from the body of the person who eats the food. Their body will believe that those unrecognized proteins (which have been absorbed or assimilated into the system of said organ) as alien and they will proceed to attack the organ in question.
What this means: If you eat GMO food- you may have lack the ability to ponder such a state- simply because the organ in question - is your brain.
Why will pop peak in 30 years? That claim is based upon falling family size, due to the rampant contraceptive pushing. Why isn't pop peaking already? Because old people die, and younger people have babies. "Demographic momentum" as they call it. Today's large and youthful pops, due to past growth. I like to stress the good reasons for encouraging pop growth anyway, for I am not fully convinced pop growth will so conveniently or magically slow down so much.
Morons like pronat has been living a happy-go-lucky life. Its apparent he doesn't know the difficulties of child bearing, raising a child, developing a child, and so forth. For what I know and so does he, uses religion as an excuse for his forgotten, desperate and heartbroken life. All this religion, oh holy religion. You have already stop the advancement of science, society, life, and is continuing the bombardment of lies...please give us a sign, what are you going to do next?
Any moron who claims thats overpopulation is a myth is only tightening the noose around mother earths neck, probably religious, and everybody knows that religion has done nothing but destroy the planet, eg, you guys went into Africa telling them that contraception is against God's will, now look at the place, they cant even feed their dying children, population levels in the third world are exploding to unmanagible levels, resources in first world countries are being raped, there is no hope.
What's the point of the video? Forget about the contraceptive efforts that has been successful in slowing down the population growth? Perhaps we should stop worrying about increasing farming productivity as well.
overpopulation is not a myth! people can't be that naive..the world increases in population by approx. 100,000,000 every year! this is b/c of infinite growth in society... except the earth ONLY has a finite amount of resources!! there just are not enough resources to sustain an infinite growth in society.. so society will collapse just like it has all thru out human history..civilizations grow to quickly, it can't be sustained..the difference today is the use of resources is so spread out
Actually, isn't the official world pop growth numbers, more like 80 or 85 million more people per year? That's not really a lot, considering that we have 7 billion+ people already, and that the planet is still as huge as it ever was.
I agree very much, with the free flow of natural human pop growth, large families to be encouraged, worldwide, so that far more people can experience life. The world can be made to hold countless billions more, by urging denser countries.
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." — Margaret Sanger: "Women and the New Race" (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)
You said, " 'The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.' — Margaret Sanger: 'Women and the New Race' (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)"
I disagree with whoever tried to keep us from seeing your comment, for what was your intent? To tell the truth? Somebody flagged it, because they don't agree with Margaret Sanger's wicked opinion? Neither do I, but they should have replied.
I like you showing her quote, for I hope it shows to all out there, the wickedness of those who "pioneered" the "radical" new ideas of unnatural "family planning."
What part of Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth, God's commandment to people, do we not understand?
I do not agree with murdering "excessive" children born to a family, so the obvious alternative is to actually encourage large families worldwide.
BTW, why is the "characters remaining" counter broken?
At best estimates, in order to occupy the global population in an area thats the size of Texas, you'd need a density of 10,000 people per square kilometer. That certainly rules out homes with yards! But, think about how much space the commercial, industrial and agricultural sectors displace. Think about how much space roads and infrastructure consume. If you add these all together, you'd cram pack an area the size of the US continent.
Think about the RESOURCES consumed to sustain 7 billion!
So why do people need yards anyway? I can think of a few reasons, so as to not have rude neighbors pounding on the thin apartment wall, because your TV is too loud. So the children can have a place to go outside and play. To have space for a storage shed to be added to your yard, to hold what? The tools you need to maintain the yard? Hmm. If I had no yard, then I would need neither? More children don't go outside anyway, but play video games, or can walk to the nearby park.
All the roads and industrial stuff, would fit into Texas as well. You forgot to factor in, in a far denser society, people would not have to travel as far away, for many things. Less traveling, means less roads per capita.
"Everybody could live in Texas," is but a mere illustration that the world is not really "crowded," and could be made to hold far more people, if ever it had to. It is not a recommendation to cram everybody into Texas, for we'd need far better gov first.
@pronatalist Not true at all. The ecological footprint of the average American is 8.0 global hectares per person. That equates to 560,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion.... And thats not taking roads and other industry into account either! Incidentally, thats 56 times the size of the US!
The lowest ecological footprint for a highly developed country is around 2.7 hectares per person. Thats around 189,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion - or 19 times the total land area of the US!
Thin apartment walls, would not be a problem, if condo and apartment walls, were made more sound-proof and fire-proof. I presume that premium, more costly units, could have better walls. But if you want cheapo affordable housing, then either "thin walls," or go find some countryside in "the middle of nowhere" or whatever. Even dense countries can have lots of houses with yards, but probably not so much in the center of huge city,where people bid up land costs to high levels
We would not be overpopulated based on numbers alone. However, the impact each individual has on the planet's resources, especially Americans, is the source of the problem.
@jewfrok actually its not just "americans".. people like to blame us tho b/c, well we are a major source of the problem.. but China now exceeds USA in emissions and pollution output for nearly a decade now.. And Europe as a whole is just as bad.. so even if you take USA out of the equation, the issue is the same..
Americans = 3% world population or 312 million account for 22% of the world's oil consumption. And then complain when fuel gets close to $4/gallon. Yes Americans, supply and demand economics do apply to you.
@jewfrok It's more about the 'built to spill' legislation that runs (and ruins) everyone's life. How did the pursuit of happiness get replaced by the pursuit of pleasure...?
"Free money for schills and traitors" is sent from the (so-called) non-profit orgs and powerful lobbies that finance the breakdown of American society at every level. America has been divided and the ubiquity of their evil influence has been the root cause and continues to exacerbated the problems in society today.
well now that's quite the load of lies... anyone who would rather hear the truth can type:
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"
(i know the name is a bit retarded but its not a troll)
it is an 8 part lecture on arithmetic, population and energy by Dr.Albert A.Bartlett and unlike this nicely animated video it actually provides some facts
@shoukan13 I have to agree, I even went to the head of the math department in my college to verify I was not missing something in the equation. These people even say that the population will climb up to a point and then go down... what they don't say is how will that happen.
@shoukan13 Sure, if you keep your mind in the little Tavistock/Stanford shoebox your 'bettors' have fashioned for you.
Luckily, there are a few of us left with a real education.
It's about central control- not only of resources- but of information - The morally-bankrupt 'science-based' view that is posed in the video to which you refer is for people distracted enough to believe this view- without taking care to perform the due-diligence required to conduct competent research.
But the "huge" world pop is not killing the earth. Look around you, don't you see the signs of spring? Grass and weeds starting to grow again. They say the grass is greenest over the septic tank. Be honest, nature likes human pop growing really big, for in nature, life spreads into most every niche it can. Nature likes our carbon dioxide that people and our machines, breathe out
What's killing our countries, is not baby booms, but the rampant socialism of NWO and libs
Finally somebody who get it. See? There's benefits to letting human pops rise. If sex is so wonderful like sex-crazed world makes it out to be, then why not let pops rise, so that more people can enjoy sex, among other things? This insane world is maddening
Yes, the more pop, the more "hot girls," the more potential profits, more tax revenues, more inventions, more places to shop, more great teachers, so many additional potential benefits from simply letting pops grow
Well, as you did not give us the data to do the maths, 7 Billion people now, growth rate of 1.1% (CIA Factbook) = 14 billion in only 63 years. OK, at a .5% growth rate, 14 billion in 120 years. Don't concentrate on the growth RATE. Just add up the number of people. 7billion people in Texas = 9.3sq meters per person. Plenty of room for everyone, not.
I see no problem with the world having perhaps reached 14 billion people by 2074. You mean, 63 years isn't enough time to prepare? Not enough time to build lots more cities and suburbs, or wherever so many people might choose to live? So what is man supposed to do for all that time? Be unemployed and watch NWO-brainwashing TV all day every day? In fact, we ought to be multiplying our numbers, even faster.
Make gov release "free energy" and flying saucer technologies.
@pronatalist You have to be pulling my leg! Very funny, thanks, I needed the laugh. It's not lots more cities and infra structure, it's double what we have now. It took humans 10,000 years to build the cities we have now and so we just double the number of cities in 63 years? Build them on the West Bank, I presume? Forget the cities, where would the food and water and energy come from, oh, that's right "free energy" Hahaahahahahha!!!
Why would I be pulling your leg? Pop is rising still, whether you like it or not. We have to put more billions, somewhere? I presume putting them on the moon, is not an option yet, especially considering that the moon landings were probably faked.
If cities double in size + double in number, that's roughly 4 times the pop, well except only half of people live in cities. Therefore, double pop, probably does not mean, double the cities, rather, more, and bigger cities.
But let's say, not many people want to live in the countryside anymore, nor do they want to live in the biggest cities, so for whatever reasons, number of cities doubles. Yes, 63 years is plenty of time to build so many cities. Think of all the jobs, and all the money people would love to spend, in order to buy homes to have a place to live. Where to build so many cities? In between the other various growing cities.
Ever seen how they can move a house? You aren't using much imagination at all. If the future has flying cars, then why not, flying cranes? Without using roads, there's not the limit on height nor width, of a house being moved down a street.
If world pop manages to soar all the more, why can't we have better technologies, to factory-produce houses? Just put down a cement slab, and hook up some utilities, and fly a new house, mass-produced by robots, right into place.
House structure could also be improved. Today's houses are a bit too much like match-sticks nailed together. Withstands most normal weather, but not so easy to hook up to a crane. Add in a basic steel frame of some sort, and houses could be mass-produced, with handy crane hoist points in the roof. And these days, steel is not the only strong material available.
Maybe why number of cities may double, is many improvements will do away with shanties, homes get larger?
"Peak population" is a prediction only. As of now, no signs of it are visible. But the really distorting figure in the clip is the statement that "every family can have a house and a yard and it will fit into Texas". While this may be mathematically true, the ecological footprint of a family is much larger than a suburban home and yard. Consider the land use by all the imported products from food to wood to cotton clothing to water to metals, plastics and oil. You cannot get that from your yard.
What do you mean, no signs of "peak pop" is visible? Are you blind? "Peak pop" makes more sense than "peak oil" of which there is no evidence, only hearsay lies. "Peak pop" is coming?, due to sharply declined birthrates. Births still outpace deaths, because we have huge youth bulge from past growth, "pop momentum" still because younger people reproduce and have babies, while people tend not to die until they are oil.
I prefer much, better arguments against the pop phobics trying to impose pop "control," than trendy "peak pop" argument, because what if world pop doesn't peak, but simply continues to grow and grow, no end ever in sight? "Demographic transition theory," and its related ideas of of "pop momentum" due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives? People were not designed to use "birth control" and I advocate large families
I respect the "peak pop" argument, because it's not made up, as so many NWO lies are, but is based upon a reasonable extrapolation of the current statistics. But I am not satisfied with the "peak pop" will be reached in 30 years or so, argument, because we are still not sure of this. The better argument, is to show how continued pop growth is good, and that the world could be made somehow to hold lots more people
I did not mean to place a question mark (?) after " 'Demographic transition theory,' and its related ideas of 'pop momentum' due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives." I consider "Demographic transition theory" to be an outright NWO fraud, because there's nothing about having money that magically sterilizes the reproductive organs. Rich people especially, ought to be able to afford to have naturally large families.
Anonymous: Their is Enough for 7 Billion but not Enough for the Greed of The Few!
Pretty Informative on how we can all live on an acre and still have 80% of the land available and showing how to grow enough food and the energy needed to be sustainable from this insane existence, where we act like The Earth is Infinite.
That attitude cannot continue or our future definitely wont.
This video is sorta like saying there 326 million trillion gallons of water. Humans need about 2 quarts a day x 6.8 billion people means that there should be plenty of water for everyone!!! It completely ignores the idea that over-population isn't just about "square footage" of people's living habitat. But it has to do with natural resources and agriculture and pollution... simply, over population isn't a question that can be solved with just "doing the math"...
So our new houses and yards take up all of texas, how much arible land do we need in addition for agriculture and it's necessary supporting biosphere?
How much do we have?
Which way are the figures trending, how fast and what are the controls? (if any)
THATS RIGHT DO THE MATHS
Damn ignorant Americans think they have an opinion on everything, half of them don't even accept evolution ffs =/
@MaxSafeheaD This has nothing to DO with Americans. Just because these people who created this video are American, doesn't mean that you can generalize all Americans as idiots who don't get it. Thats ridiculous. Let's not forget that it was an AMERICAN from Stanford who championed this truth and caused the UNFPA. Put your ignorance asideand focus on the real issue, please. Overpopulation is a global problem, not an American one.
Are you talking about that evil pop phobic, Paul Ehrlich? It's people like him, who give our universities a bad name. I wonder how much money he has made, writing his discredited "overpop" scare-monger books? If the world wasn't so populated, he would have made far less money? If there weren't so many gullible Americans, he would have been fired as a insane crackpot long ago. If I was a student there, I'd try to switch to somebody else's section class. He's no professor.
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO? That you would even ask such a ridiculous question, shows you don't know the first thing about NWO, Illuminatti, Masons, or much of anything as conspiracy theories go. NWO is all about causing harm to people, to societies. Is that of God, or of rebellion against God? Watch some of the NWO YouTube videos, as I can't present every little detail to somebody too lazy to do any work or learn.
You don't understand the pop situation. Malthusian gloom-and-doom has never been proven. Humans ADAPT. God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Where is the spectacular pop bust? Either there is none, or NWO is not satisfied, and is trying to help it to occur.
Know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. So you are against freedom? Yes, let huge world pop grow naturally "wild," although I don't consider it unordered "chaos."
In spite of all the gov interference, and U.S. gov squandering our money, paying farmers to not produce food, farmers still feed the growing world pop. More mouths to feed, means more profits for farmers, yet NWO Satanists continue to debase currencies and rob the productive people of the fruits of their labors?
Let human pops grow naturally, without any imposed "control" on how numerous we might become. Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man.
Resources aren't so finite, as NWO would like for you to believe. Gov is probably hiding "free energy" and flying saucers from us. We have oil and natural gas most everywhere around us, but they can only drill for it, mostly in countries that hate us? Because gullible Americans don't need jobs, and don't need prosperity?
Rising human pop, shows we are doing something right.
Free energy? Flying saucers? NWO? Over population is good news?
You're clearly insane.
Incidentally Obamas answer to the economic crisis Bush's hands-off approach created has allowed America to weather the storm FAR better than the CONservative gov in the UK has done. We have austerity here compounding the credit crunch and it's screwed
us. The bailout shouldn't have happened IMO but for anarcho-capitalist conservatives it was pay-day.
Bush was 3 years ago. You Obama-tons can't just keep blaming everything on Bush. When are you going to own up to, Obama's making things worse? Was FDR's Great Depression, also Bush's fault?
Bush was hands off? We haven't had true freedom nor capitalism, for some time. Many problems date back to Carter and before. 1913, creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System of central bank-sters, manipulating and stealing from the economy.
If I'm supposedly "insane" to mention "free energy" and flying saucers, then tell me, why do people often accept that idea, that maybe gov is hiding such things? Tell me why. What is your explanation for UFO sitings? Is it really morons wanting to get in the news? A cover story for something? Why is experimental gov "test craft" such a common theory?
That huge human pops keep growing, of course is good news. Shows we are at least solving some problems, living longer.
Are you in the UK? I don't think the UK has conservative gov.
Here in America, they say that today's conservatives, are the liberals of decades ago. Know what that means? That means, today's conservatives are as liberal as liberals of decades ago. That the social mores are in serious decline, and the country is tilting more and more communist, sort of like a doomed ship that is listing over to one side, only a matter of time before it sinks.
So you are saying that we should expand simply because we can. I am saying that considering the technological lifestyle that the developing and devloped all nations are chasing, it is unsustainable for the current world population or larger populations to live that way. Put rats in a room with food and what will they do? Eat and breed themselves into oblivion with no kind of foresight of possible consequences for what they are doing. We humans have minds we should not go the same route
Not saying to expand, just because we can. But because God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Expand, because the history of "birth control" stinks. Is practically putrid. I am saying to expand, because more and more people would be glad to live. Expand, to fight the evil NWO.
Rats has nothing to do with it. What do I care about rats? I am not a rat. People can ADAPT. We know our numbers are rising gradually, and can plan ahead for that.
I try to observe the Old Testament, and the New Testament, better than most so-called Christians do. A good start is to actually read what the text says. I am also studying the "lost books" of the Bible, and Hebrew.
I do not believe in "slow down on this baby making stuff," for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. That means to reject "birth control" and allow baby booms to emerge, intensify, spread naturally and "wildly" "out of control."
Actually, the King James Version uses the word "replenish." Which the dictionary says means "fill." Other versions, use the word "fill."
Everybody I asked in an informal poll of friends and coworkers, said God's commandment to multiply, still applies. Even some guy who said world pop is huge, but yeah, it still applies. Perhaps people don't want to be told how many children they can have.
Fill earth won't be accomplished, until God says it is. It's a process, so keep on.
@pronatalist Get a grip man. The more people on this earth, the more amplified our problems will be. That is how it has always been, and recently has been getting a lot worse. Your intellect is the only thing that God has given you that separates you from animals.Use it
But what is the purpose for people to use intellect anyway? To find more ways to oppress one another? To accumulate lots of fairly useless and costly toys, like boats, RVs, and sportscars? No, among the best ways to use human intellect, is to deliberately work towards, and develop proper technologies, to allow and welcome world pop to rise naturally, and to assist all countries to comfortably and safely, grow naturally,ever denser with people, so that more people can live
That is absurd. Do you keep your "populator" in your pants, that is, if you are a man? If I have a wive, then my "populator" belongs in my wife's birth canal hole, to allow vital semen and whatever babies God may allow us, to flow freely. Birthing babies, is just as natural and proper, as breathing and eating, a natural life process. Also what we should expect, when people understandably find their practical and "religious" objections to "birth control."
@pronatalist Your mind is comprised of feces. Keep your peepee in your pants. Control your sex drive by running four miles everyday and bathing in hot water.
You need hard work and lots of it. Get out of your mom's basement, get off the computer and get some manual labor.
"peepee?" What? Why do you talk to me, like I am some little kid? I like the term "populator" or "impregnator" better. Little boys have "peepees," because some parents are too embarassed to user proper body anatomy terms, such as "penis." Either that, or they don't want their children using "inappropriate" words in public or talking to their friends.
But adult male humans, do not have little "peepees" anymore, but penises that swell to a big size to implant semen for babies.
Curb my sexuality? How about we do as the Bible says, and avoid fornication and adultery? But for those people blessed enough to be married, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
Curb our sexuality? Really? In a society that glamorizes sex, with immoral Sex Ed that encourages young (unmarried) people to indulge in sex? Sex everywhere, on TV, on the computer, in our popular music.
So love, or is that sex?, makes the world go round? Do it moral, and let babies happen.
You're clearly yet another person blinded by religious distraction.
I would urge you to come back to the real world but to be honest, I'd rather spend my time looking after people in need through no fault of their own.
And how is you or I, having a few less children, depriving us of blessings, depriving our future children of life, going to keep people in the populous countries from continuing to "fill the earth," nor keep Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims from doing their part to make sure pop never goes down, as somebody said?
There's not just 1, but 3 perceptional dimensions we can yet spread into: Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards. Spread out, spread together, stack upwards into the sky.
The answer is not have to rebel against God, and get the naturally-swelling world pop more "under control," but rather, submit to God that God knows best, and if needed, explore how to allow the planet to naturally grow more dense with people. God's commandment implies, it is God who shall determine our ultimate pop size, not man.
You can see the proper course of action, even in people's innocent comments. "Lots of place to put more people," they say? Okay, let's do it.
Do you really think, that Jesus is going to return, and say, "Well, I didn't mean for you to obey that commandment, that well, and grow world pop into the 10s of billions?" When has man ever obeyed any of God's commandments, "too well?" Captain Planet might say such a thing, but then, Captain Planet is a phony substitute for Jesus, and is evil. Don't think so? Watch the documentary "Replacement Gods" about superheros, and then answer.
We should expand, so that babies can freely push out, and nobody need pollute their bodies directly with nasty Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs.
Pops all over the world, are naturally growing larger, regardless whether you and I think it a good idea or not. Somebody said that the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, do their part, to make sure the pop never goes down. Embrace human pop growth, for it's win-win for everybody. More people are glad to live anyway.
What do I care about social status? I don't drive a stupid hot looking car, to attract the ladies. I don't want that kind anyway. On a forum I post on, my "status" has been rising, but it's just some silly computer algorithm. What does it matter? When I was but a "nobody" or "newbie," I could post just the same.
Humans do not have the short gestational or generation time spans of rats, nor of dogs. We don't usually have "litters" of children. 9 months is on slow-side.
1.You may not care (B.S.) but normal people do, which was my point.
Your 2nd point I agree with, plus, birth is followed by a long infancy BUT increasingly our young survive and live for many years - leading to exponential population growth, something MUST be done to keep balance.
Seriously, it's not rocket science. The briefest look at how we have increasingly decimated our environment over recent history should be an obvious and STARK warning.
So where is it written that we humans must live "in balance" with our environment? No, that's wrong, for for all our history, the world has been filling up with ever more people, and I see it as far better, if we allow that to continue. I have long been an advocate of the natural human pop exponential growth, that God designed. I would agree with liberals, that as numbers of fertile women grows, have to allow ever more people to become sexually active. But marry first.
I agree not only with allowing babies to freely emerge from the "huge" numbers of women of childbearing age, but also allowing babies to freely emerge, from ever more birth canal baby holes. I welcome the "wild" natural spread of huge human race, because people are created in God's image, and each and every person is of immense and sacred value, so I do not believe in imposing pop "control" upon people, nor in using the shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs
How can people continue to enjoy having their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people alive already? Isn't it obvious? Where can we put perhaps many billions of additional people, should more billions happen to come alive? Where we always have. In between all the billions already living. There can simply come to be more places with lots of people, and fewer places far from lots of people.
Let China fill their "empty cities." Build lots more cities, towns.
@MaxSafeheaD Which is exactly why we should slow down on this baby making stuff. Most of makind's problems comes down to the fact that there are far too many of us considering the way that we are trying to live.
11 billion people is the current projection by 2050. To do this will require 250 million additional hectares of land just for agricultural production. To do this will require destruction of more rainforests, further degredating habitat and biodiversity loss.
Sure... we could keep breeding indiscriminately. But the time will come when humans will destroy so much of the world's resources to feed our overgrown population that we end up undoing ourselves with it.
@MatxoMan Many countries stop farmers from growing surplus food, and almost a third of all food we do grow on Earth is eaten by vermin and thrown out. Hell, in the USA, if all the farms were operating, we could feed the entire Earth(not that we would, due to the distances involved and the expenses).
Also the only countries breeding indiscriminately are third world countries which can't afford to have industrialized food production anyway, like India and Africa.
@MasterAsra This is totally false. I have members of my own family who have 7 kids. They live in the United States, not some third-world country. It happens all over the place.
One example, close to home, of a family with 7 children, does not a general trend establish. No thanks to the rampant contraceptive pushing, in developed countries, the average family size is way down from the natural norm.
Obviously, some people, for very understandable practical or "religious" reasons, do not believe in using any means of "birth control," and I very much welcome more families to grow to 7 children or more, so that far more people can come to experience life.
@icyfyer The United States is not a good example at all. Europe and East Asia all have negative population growth for the most part. The United States hardly has much of a growing population except in poorer groups of people. Wealthy and middle class families tend to have less than two children per household in most of the world, and some places have only one or less on average(statistically).
Most population growth with large numbers of children is happening in the poorest countries.
According to the bell curve statistical distribution, the largest families, such as 7 children or more, don't really contribute much to the growing pop at all, but rather, the more typical family sizes, of 3 or 4 children. Because so few people have families that large. It's not so much that we are having all that many children, but more like that there's just so many people having children. Women of childbearing age may be near 2 billion.
If world pop is supposedly becoming "overgrown," that doesn't at all mean we need fewer births, for use a little imagination. Couldn't massive and "overgrown" cities, help hold a surging and "overgrown" country or world pop? People should spread out, but they can also spread together and stack vertically into the sky, to make way for everybody and their progeny.
Birthing babies is as natural and proper, as breathing, heart beating, or eating. I agree with "baby after baby."
It currently takes around a billion births a decade, just to maintain the present "huge" world pop size, or world pop would soon start shrinking due to natural factors such as "old age" deaths. Obviously, with near 2 billion women of childbearing age now, people like having babies, at a faster rate than even that. Growing by another billion a decade, isn't all that much, that advancing technology and need for more jobs, should easily be able to absorb.
By 2050, especially if we could get some much-needed reforms we already need, 11 billion wouldn't seem like any more, than today's present 7 billion+. Although, wouldn't you admit, that 11 billion is the "high" projection, based upon the assumption, that as I have long advocated, that people will continue in large numbers, rejecting use of the unnatural "birth control?"
I encourage welcoming babies to push out freely, without use of any means of anti-life "birth control."
What kind of argument is that? 8 million people starve annually? That's not even 1% of the current "huge" world pop, so "lack of food" resources can't be the cause. Look around you, and see the unjust economic system that the NWO criminal elitists have created or corrupted. People who don't buy their food, generally grow food themselves, however, how are poor people to buy food when their crops fail? Large families don't cause poverty, but corrupt govs and fiat paper money.
@pronatalist Large families and societies destroy fertile soil and increase desertification. We already know that fish hauls worldwide are dropping. We cannot simply continue breeding like bacteria ad infinitum.
Large families and growing societies, allow far more people to experience life. We came alive, as a result, and now we want to "bite the hand that feeds us?" Even most dogs are smarter than that.
Fish hauls are dropping? What does that prove? That farming is a better way to feed people now? Or that whales are eating too much of our fish, and we should bring back whale hunting? I don't even eat much fish nor seafood anyway. I'd be willing to change my diet, for denser society,
I'd be willing to change my diet, for societies to grow denser, if it was necessary. But it's not, and there's plenty of food for people with money to buy it. But our economy is rigged against us, by New World Order criminal elitists, who designed fiat paper currency dishonest money, to separate people from their money as the fiat paper is debased.
Humans don't reproduce like bacteria. Do bacteria have male and female? Humans are among slowest reproducing of God's creatures.
Humans are not the slowest reproducing of "magic-sky-daddy's" creatures, for heavens sake you do come out with some rubbish. Even if we where we also each live for longer and longer and consume more and more wastefully - if you can't see where this is headed you really do have your head in "Yahweh's" clouds.
Famine occurs because evil people use food as a weapon of war. Check your history and current events, to see if this is so. Famine occurs because poor people are shut out of the economy by an unjust system, so that when their crops fail, how will they buy food? We know we need to eat, so why don't we already put more food away to store for emergencies? Do we really trust the corporations and economy to feed us always?
War is caused by NWO, and industrial military complex.
Study the NWO and their evil depop agenda. Study the evil history of Margaret Sanger, "birth control," and Nazi eugenics. Yes, they are all "in bed with one another." Why do you want to run around in The Matrix, in delusion and deception, when you could have a much more accurate view of how this evil world really works? Why be on the side of evil, that eventually loses and is cast into hell?
Do you know what else is natural? Urban sprawl, minor "growing pains," and profits.
And so we should start, with sterilizing your children? Gee, I do hope you aren't so evil as to consider that seriously? Isn't it possible, that people might object and we could have a World War 3 on our hands?
They say the world has a billion teenagers now. Many probably came from large families.
How can we fit many more billions into the world? Simple. Populate denser. Allow there to come to be, more places with lots of people, and less places far from people.
@pronatalist well, to avoid world war three, you get the governments of india and china to agree first. duh. and their people will object, which is why you force them to hand over there kids to get vasectomies and tubal ligations. point a gun at them.
WW3 would not likely be caused by the growing pop. But by the evil NWO criminal elitists, seeking ever more power over our lives, and seeking profits off of war and their manipulations of the world. Perhaps India may eventually grow to over 2 billion people, but these things do not occur "in a vacuum," nor is the world a "static" place, where things that change do not change other factors as well. By then, India would more easily hold 2 billion, than they cope with now.
Proper way to deal with growing or surging world pop, is to embrace and let it happen. If a mother becomes "great with child," she should feel at ease or proud to either wear maternity clothes, or let her large belly poof out of her shirt, like I saw some Hispanic woman at the store doing. Pregnancy is a very natural and healthy condition, and that human life needs to spread, is very good and understandable.
We should NEVER force nor coerce people to have fewer children
We already have more than 7 billion mouths to feed. Everybody has their God-given right to live which includes procreation.
Vasectomies damage the human body, and the ability to procreate children is a necessary and vital life function. What if parents might want to have more children later?
Why is most all medical care and infrastructure, thought by evil liberals, as a means to push "birth control" on people who don't want it? There are ample means to grow pop still.
What is even easier than trying to "control" human pop growth, which is already hard to control? How about, not controlling it? Let human pops everywhere, grow naturally and freely. Celebrate each addition billion that may be added to the world, as great progress for the naturally-enlarging human race.
The purpose of building roads, isn't to bring in evil "family planners," but to help allow trade, jobs, and to assist villages and cities grow larger, filling with people
How do you pop control freaks, so easily overlook the points I make? What better reason would people have to fight against evil govs, than for their children and families?
Pop growth is not the enemy. NWO criminal elitists who are squandering the wealth of nations, are the enemy.
It's not gov's job to feed people. It's gov job to punish evil-doers and build roads and bridges. People can feed themselves, if gov would get out of the way. If gov would stop destroying jobs.
"Isn't it possible, that people might object and we could have a World War 3 on our hands?"
If WW3 comes, it won't be caused by sterilization, it will be fought over dwindling resources, farmland and water. Very simple. If a country's people are poor and starving, and it looks like the neighboring country has food, water and energy to spare, the hungry country won't bother asking, it will TAKE what it wants.
"The population of earth will peak in 30 years and then start to go back down....." Through disease, starvation, etc. Are we going to keep ourselves in check, or let mother nature do it for us?
Neither. If people don't keep their numbers in check, neither will nature. I so detest liar A\B option choices. Why are both A and B bad options, but option C is not disclosed, so that we can more easily make an intelligent choice?
A. Either we control our numbers,
B. Or, nature will?
C. Wrong, nature won't. If we don't control our numbers, pops will grow and grow.
But people and nature, wants us to GROW.
Answer is C, otherwise, why is there evil NWO depop agenda?
what math this is bull shit if 50 million ppl a year die and 70 million are born i think very strongly overpopulation is not a myth. biomass think about it !
Actually, net increase is around 80 million per year, so births are over 100 million a year.
Biomass? Relatively cheap biomatter (food) naturally turning into ever more people, each of immense and sacred value, is a great "investment," at least philosophically. Food obviously isn't merely for selfish consumption, but for turning into additional people.
There is no human "overpop," for we are supposed to be so many, and "overpop" assumes people aren't worthy of life.
more ppl + more ppl = more ppl and less room for anything else. if the entire pop of the world lived in texas they would die off bc there arent enough resources there to support them. i think u need to do the math
Only 2 or 3% of land is occupied by cities. It could be more, a lot more, if ever need be. And still, with double-the-pop, or even far more, there would be lots of room for lots of other stuff.
If everybody moved to Texas, I think it could work, with good gov, but then, why would good gov, ask everybody to move to Texas? It's doable, but not recommended, with the rampant corrupt govs we have now. We could all move to Texas and multiply, but no need to move to Texas.
@aaronvespro And you have gone to the university of what? Charity's have a harder time shipping goods to third-world countries then obtaining them. You can't ship large quantities on Airplanes, it just doesn't happen due to a constant called gravity, and aerodynamics. Farther on that note, where would they get the food and water shipped from if the entire population lived in Texas. And @Colinpri1 Are we assuming that the resources were being shipped in from else where by train?
Well you talk, as if you are not a business person. I think the value of a lot of products, can easily cover the freight shipping charges. And trains and ships are a lot less expensive, for fuel costs, to ship a pound a mile, than trucks and cars, so efficient shipping routes, helps. Much of the cost, is in inventory that sits and doesn't sell quickly.
And if shipping routes are too long, what happened to prospect of producing our food, more locally?
@marsupialbeige yes it is practical and realistic. Vasectomies don't even require scalpels anymore. They take about five minutes each We may have to build some dirt and gravel roads to get to the rural areas of india, china, brazil, so forth, but that is way less expensive than try to feed 7 billion people. Then we just do vasectomeis and tubal ligations on all the little muhammeds and joses.
@rogisajackass right on the money mate, did this asshole even consider the food production, fresh water, and all of the other thousands of resources needed to sustain a human population? THAT is where the issue lies, not in " ohh we can all have a little house wiv a yard in it!!! " {-)
Why is anybody responsible for feeding all the billions of people? Whatever happened to individual freedom and personal responsibility? Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. Implication seems to be, that people, pretty much, feed themselves. They should not long expect handouts and bailouts to continue, for the irresponsible.
People are finding ways to produce more food, but we are being robbed of $.
"Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat."
Trouble is, resource scarcity means we will be doing less and less eating for the same amount of work. We used to go to Arabia, poke a pipe a few hundred feet down and get millions of gallons of grade A oil. Now we need to go to Alaska and drill miles down for a bit of thick, sandy oil.
"we are being robbed of $."
The USA spent its borrowed $ on 50 years of superpower games. Broke now. The bill's come due.
How do you do that? Go from being completely wrong, and a jerk, to hitting the nail right on? See? You do have potential. You have a mind that can figure things out, if you would just, use it.
Technology is allowing us to yield more benefits from less work.
But you are right about the wicked Babylon America. Superpower games? Yeah, study the conspiracy theories, and what else can we conclude? NWO criminal U.S. politicians, delighted in building our debt supernova.
"How do you do that? Go from being completely wrong, and a jerk, to hitting the nail right on?"
Yes I'm right about USA overextending, all superpowers do that. I'm also right about everything else I said, especially religion. You think I'm a jerk because I don't share your delusion? That means most of the world for most of history are "jerks." You BELIEVE Jesus is coming back. I KNOW he's not. No more than Bob Hope or Mark Twain are coming back. THE DEAD DON'T RISE.
You can't make up your mind whether to believe in our salvation through new technology or divine intervention. Both are irresponsible. That's not planning ahead. You can't tell people to procreate safely in the belief "Jesus will come back and save us" or someone's going to invent a food-for-all machine. That's like being unemployed, buying a big house on mortgage, going to Vegas, putting a $10,000 chip on 00 and expecting to win and pay off your house with your prize.
But human pop increase, is not my idea. I only defend the need and right of human pops to grow. But regardless whether you and I have any children, don't you suppose that people in developing countries, will likely go on having their precious, darling, God-given babies? Why do you think we can "control" the natural increase of the human race? As somebody said, the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims do their part to make sure pop never goes down.
Come on, let's be honest. What people aim for, they tend to get. Even people who bought big mc-mansions they couldn't afford, during the property value speculation bubble, the gov inflated with their "easy" and irresponsible credit ("money printing"), many of them have lost their homes, and been foreclosed on, but many also are still in their "underwater" homes. Some people do get the pay raise, or have unexpected inheritance or other gains, and do keep their house.
Study history, and the fall of empires. We are an overextended empire, that is unsustainable. We can't mind the business of the entire world, and still manage our own affairs.
No wonder I want to leave America. We are a "has been" country. Our glory is in the past. Our currency is near collapse, perhaps by design?
Jason Lewis said Ron Paul would more easily win the general (Nov.) election than the Republican Primary, for Republicans are the war party. Yeah, seems so
Next caller said we elect the Democrats, and the wars don't end. We elect the Republican, and the (gov) spending doesn't end. As I say, and people always seem to agree, we are seeking a political solution to a spiritual problem. America has lost its way. We have been taken over, by NWO criminal elitists who are destroying us. But they say that countries get the govs that they deserve. I fear that may be true. Foreigners say that Americans are gullible and uninformed
Some moron on a YT video I watched, dissed the conspiracy theories of FEMA concentration camps, Marshall Law, and the borders, even traveling from city to city, to be shut down soon. Yeah, what evidence did he show, that there's nothing to those conspiracy theories? But he did raise a point, of the slavery we are already in. He said the concentration camps are our cities, and the razor-wire is our jobs, gasoline costs, and credit cards. We're slaves to the system.
@rogisajackass if the entire population of the world lived in texas they wouldnt die off if the entire earth's resources were shared fairly to support them. You make a great point but i think you* need to re-do* the math :)
Why do you parrot same old New World Order criminal elitist depop anti-pop propaganda? Don't you realize that they have to get us to be guilty in our own genocide, to get us to start killing off our children by shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and then abortions when the shoddy contraceptives often inevitably "fail," to get the public so desensitized, that we won't rise up and revolt when NWO finds ever more devious ways to kill us "surplus" pop off?
@pronatalist Wow dude, you're right. The natural forces of starvation, disease, and war should thin the herd instead of proactive measures to prevent such things from happening in the first place.
We aren't allowed to "cull" the growing "human herd." God clearly commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. So if the frontiers are supposedly vanishing, then we had better be exploring the proper ways to respect human dignity and individual freedom, while allowing and encouraging countries worldwide to naturally and simply populate up themselves denser and denser.
Nature is NOT keeping us "in check," so the billions go right on rising. Freedom!
"Nature is NOT keeping us "in check," so the billions go right on rising."
In the poorest countries, Nature is very much in charge. Malaria and other diseases are killing millions annually. They are fast evolving immunity to every drug our modern labs throw at them. Someday the USA will fall victim to drug-resistant plague, flesh-eating bacteria, yes even malaria, as soon as global warming takes away the chill of winter, allowing malaria mosquitos to live everywhere.
I'm not saying to corral people up into the hugest supercities. I prefer people continue to spread out if they can. Some say before "The Stuff Hits The Fan," to leave the big cities. NWO is obviously plotting evil designs against the common people of the world. More and more people are sensing "something isn't right." I don't have much preference where people live, so long as they live where they want. What I am saying, is let average world pop and density, rise freely.
@nkelly1432 well put!! ... but this 'pronatalist' is one maggoty religionist who makes discussions and arguments so futile that beating your head on a brick wall will seem like a nice vacation in comparison
So I'm a "maggoty religionist?" What is that even supposed to mean? You have no religious tolerance, even though most people, seem to be religious, or go to some form of Church?
So what if someday, some claimed atheist comes onto the forum, and says that he can see some benefits to the "progress" of the human race expanding its numbers? Will you also call him some "maggoty religionist," or some disrespectful name, for refusing to be a trendy stupid pop phobic?
@pronatalist i like lots of religious people... not all of them are like you; hence, i chose the words i used to refer to YOU as: "ONE maggoty religionist".
@nkelly1432 my point EXACTLY! Anyone that even lightly investigates history of urban society knows that the denser the society becomes, the more quickly disease spread. Not to mention that all nations have adopted the pursuit of the technological lifestyle that the west enjoys (which is very harmful to the planet). The only way that all nations can live this way is if all nations shrink their populations to a size that is sustainable for the planet. Its not NWO its basic logic.
If there was really "too many" people on the earth, then 7 billion people wouldn't be possible. And yet apparently it is possible, so shouldn't the kooky anti-pop theories, be revised, to explain for that we are so many now, and yet we keep multiplying?
If we are "too dense" then why don't you avoid crowded sports events, concerts, fairs, school classrooms? Because not even you believe that "too dense" theory? That theory has never been proven.
What? You say you are here to learn from me? You came here, to be one of my many fans?
Whatever is an "astro-turfer" anyway? Or is that what YOU are?
Do you crazy liberals think there is but only 1 side to such a controversial argument as the fundamental basic freedom of responsible (married) procreation? Al Gore is wrong. Everybody who disagrees with him, isn't simply a "denier."
Why did you call me a Jew-bot? That means, you are a hater? Only Jews have big families?
The world is not just for humans and their cars, big houses, fancy gadgets, and all the essentials to a modern life that I and most of the world are accustomed to. What is the point of fitting more human population in the world when it forces many other creature closer to extinction due to lose of habitats so you can have more malls, schools, factories, farms, and jewelries?
dylancrash 4 hours ago
Marinade in that for a while, Cerebrus;.
LP101A 6 hours ago
This appeals to people who believe that GMO food is good.
The ingestion of The GMO food causes an immune response from the body of the person who eats the food. Their body will believe that those unrecognized proteins (which have been absorbed or assimilated into the system of said organ) as alien and they will proceed to attack the organ in question.
What this means: If you eat GMO food- you may have lack the ability to ponder such a state- simply because the organ in question - is your brain.
LP101A 6 hours ago
You said that population will peak in 30 years. What is the reason for this statement?
Thanks
imailpradeep 19 hours ago
@imailpradeep
Why will pop peak in 30 years? That claim is based upon falling family size, due to the rampant contraceptive pushing. Why isn't pop peaking already? Because old people die, and younger people have babies. "Demographic momentum" as they call it. Today's large and youthful pops, due to past growth. I like to stress the good reasons for encouraging pop growth anyway, for I am not fully convinced pop growth will so conveniently or magically slow down so much.
pronatalist 5 hours ago
Morons like pronat has been living a happy-go-lucky life. Its apparent he doesn't know the difficulties of child bearing, raising a child, developing a child, and so forth. For what I know and so does he, uses religion as an excuse for his forgotten, desperate and heartbroken life. All this religion, oh holy religion. You have already stop the advancement of science, society, life, and is continuing the bombardment of lies...please give us a sign, what are you going to do next?
tuberman890 1 day ago
Any moron who claims thats overpopulation is a myth is only tightening the noose around mother earths neck, probably religious, and everybody knows that religion has done nothing but destroy the planet, eg, you guys went into Africa telling them that contraception is against God's will, now look at the place, they cant even feed their dying children, population levels in the third world are exploding to unmanagible levels, resources in first world countries are being raped, there is no hope.
MrJulz26 1 day ago
What's the point of the video? Forget about the contraceptive efforts that has been successful in slowing down the population growth? Perhaps we should stop worrying about increasing farming productivity as well.
CostaKru 1 day ago
overpopulation is not a myth! people can't be that naive..the world increases in population by approx. 100,000,000 every year! this is b/c of infinite growth in society... except the earth ONLY has a finite amount of resources!! there just are not enough resources to sustain an infinite growth in society.. so society will collapse just like it has all thru out human history..civilizations grow to quickly, it can't be sustained..the difference today is the use of resources is so spread out
herbiiderbii 1 day ago
@herbiiderbii
Actually, isn't the official world pop growth numbers, more like 80 or 85 million more people per year? That's not really a lot, considering that we have 7 billion+ people already, and that the planet is still as huge as it ever was.
I agree very much, with the free flow of natural human pop growth, large families to be encouraged, worldwide, so that far more people can experience life. The world can be made to hold countless billions more, by urging denser countries.
pronatalist 7 hours ago
2050 population will be 10 Billion.
sherman630 1 day ago
When in doubt blame the English...
02woodaaa 1 day ago
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"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." — Margaret Sanger: "Women and the New Race" (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)
procommenter 2 days ago
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@procommenter
You said, " 'The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.' — Margaret Sanger: 'Women and the New Race' (Eugenics Publications Co., 1920, 1923)"
I disagree with whoever tried to keep us from seeing your comment, for what was your intent? To tell the truth? Somebody flagged it, because they don't agree with Margaret Sanger's wicked opinion? Neither do I, but they should have replied.
pronatalist 5 hours ago
@procommenter
I like you showing her quote, for I hope it shows to all out there, the wickedness of those who "pioneered" the "radical" new ideas of unnatural "family planning."
What part of Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth, God's commandment to people, do we not understand?
I do not agree with murdering "excessive" children born to a family, so the obvious alternative is to actually encourage large families worldwide.
BTW, why is the "characters remaining" counter broken?
pronatalist 5 hours ago
ude that's a lie. Go to Mexico and figure it out. Mexico IS OVER - DAMN - POPULATED... That's why we are killing each other.
spongebobmx 3 days ago
At best estimates, in order to occupy the global population in an area thats the size of Texas, you'd need a density of 10,000 people per square kilometer. That certainly rules out homes with yards! But, think about how much space the commercial, industrial and agricultural sectors displace. Think about how much space roads and infrastructure consume. If you add these all together, you'd cram pack an area the size of the US continent.
Think about the RESOURCES consumed to sustain 7 billion!
scrfce123 4 days ago
@scrfce123
So why do people need yards anyway? I can think of a few reasons, so as to not have rude neighbors pounding on the thin apartment wall, because your TV is too loud. So the children can have a place to go outside and play. To have space for a storage shed to be added to your yard, to hold what? The tools you need to maintain the yard? Hmm. If I had no yard, then I would need neither? More children don't go outside anyway, but play video games, or can walk to the nearby park.
pronatalist 8 hours ago
@scrfce123
All the roads and industrial stuff, would fit into Texas as well. You forgot to factor in, in a far denser society, people would not have to travel as far away, for many things. Less traveling, means less roads per capita.
"Everybody could live in Texas," is but a mere illustration that the world is not really "crowded," and could be made to hold far more people, if ever it had to. It is not a recommendation to cram everybody into Texas, for we'd need far better gov first.
pronatalist 8 hours ago
@pronatalist Not true at all. The ecological footprint of the average American is 8.0 global hectares per person. That equates to 560,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion.... And thats not taking roads and other industry into account either! Incidentally, thats 56 times the size of the US!
The lowest ecological footprint for a highly developed country is around 2.7 hectares per person. Thats around 189,000,000 square kilometers for 7 billion - or 19 times the total land area of the US!
scrfce123 3 hours ago
@scrfce123
Thin apartment walls, would not be a problem, if condo and apartment walls, were made more sound-proof and fire-proof. I presume that premium, more costly units, could have better walls. But if you want cheapo affordable housing, then either "thin walls," or go find some countryside in "the middle of nowhere" or whatever. Even dense countries can have lots of houses with yards, but probably not so much in the center of huge city,where people bid up land costs to high levels
pronatalist 7 hours ago
We would not be overpopulated based on numbers alone. However, the impact each individual has on the planet's resources, especially Americans, is the source of the problem.
jewfrok 4 days ago 2
@jewfrok actually its not just "americans".. people like to blame us tho b/c, well we are a major source of the problem.. but China now exceeds USA in emissions and pollution output for nearly a decade now.. And Europe as a whole is just as bad.. so even if you take USA out of the equation, the issue is the same..
herbiiderbii 1 day ago
@herbiiderbii
Americans = 3% world population or 312 million account for 22% of the world's oil consumption. And then complain when fuel gets close to $4/gallon. Yes Americans, supply and demand economics do apply to you.
jewfrok 1 day ago
@jewfrok It's more about the 'built to spill' legislation that runs (and ruins) everyone's life. How did the pursuit of happiness get replaced by the pursuit of pleasure...?
"Free money for schills and traitors" is sent from the (so-called) non-profit orgs and powerful lobbies that finance the breakdown of American society at every level. America has been divided and the ubiquity of their evil influence has been the root cause and continues to exacerbated the problems in society today.
LP101A 6 hours ago
well now that's quite the load of lies... anyone who would rather hear the truth can type:
"The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See"
(i know the name is a bit retarded but its not a troll)
it is an 8 part lecture on arithmetic, population and energy by Dr.Albert A.Bartlett and unlike this nicely animated video it actually provides some facts
shoukan13 5 days ago 9
@shoukan13 I second this.
koontzman123 4 days ago
@shoukan13 I have to agree, I even went to the head of the math department in my college to verify I was not missing something in the equation. These people even say that the population will climb up to a point and then go down... what they don't say is how will that happen.
Ramiromasters 1 day ago
@shoukan13 Sure, if you keep your mind in the little Tavistock/Stanford shoebox your 'bettors' have fashioned for you.
Luckily, there are a few of us left with a real education.
It's about central control- not only of resources- but of information - The morally-bankrupt 'science-based' view that is posed in the video to which you refer is for people distracted enough to believe this view- without taking care to perform the due-diligence required to conduct competent research.
LP101A 6 hours ago
either way our way of life coupled with our large population will kill the earth and then we won't have to worry about overpopulation
squeekietits 6 days ago
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@squeekietits
But the "huge" world pop is not killing the earth. Look around you, don't you see the signs of spring? Grass and weeds starting to grow again. They say the grass is greenest over the septic tank. Be honest, nature likes human pop growing really big, for in nature, life spreads into most every niche it can. Nature likes our carbon dioxide that people and our machines, breathe out
What's killing our countries, is not baby booms, but the rampant socialism of NWO and libs
pronatalist 5 days ago
What is the problem with you people? The more population the better the chance of getting hot girls.
bryceboyblue 6 days ago
@bryceboyblue
Finally somebody who get it. See? There's benefits to letting human pops rise. If sex is so wonderful like sex-crazed world makes it out to be, then why not let pops rise, so that more people can enjoy sex, among other things? This insane world is maddening
Yes, the more pop, the more "hot girls," the more potential profits, more tax revenues, more inventions, more places to shop, more great teachers, so many additional potential benefits from simply letting pops grow
pronatalist 6 days ago
Well, as you did not give us the data to do the maths, 7 Billion people now, growth rate of 1.1% (CIA Factbook) = 14 billion in only 63 years. OK, at a .5% growth rate, 14 billion in 120 years. Don't concentrate on the growth RATE. Just add up the number of people. 7billion people in Texas = 9.3sq meters per person. Plenty of room for everyone, not.
jeffdaharper 6 days ago
@jeffdaharper
I see no problem with the world having perhaps reached 14 billion people by 2074. You mean, 63 years isn't enough time to prepare? Not enough time to build lots more cities and suburbs, or wherever so many people might choose to live? So what is man supposed to do for all that time? Be unemployed and watch NWO-brainwashing TV all day every day? In fact, we ought to be multiplying our numbers, even faster.
Make gov release "free energy" and flying saucer technologies.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist You have to be pulling my leg! Very funny, thanks, I needed the laugh. It's not lots more cities and infra structure, it's double what we have now. It took humans 10,000 years to build the cities we have now and so we just double the number of cities in 63 years? Build them on the West Bank, I presume? Forget the cities, where would the food and water and energy come from, oh, that's right "free energy" Hahaahahahahha!!!
jeffdaharper 6 days ago
@jeffdaharper
Why would I be pulling your leg? Pop is rising still, whether you like it or not. We have to put more billions, somewhere? I presume putting them on the moon, is not an option yet, especially considering that the moon landings were probably faked.
If cities double in size + double in number, that's roughly 4 times the pop, well except only half of people live in cities. Therefore, double pop, probably does not mean, double the cities, rather, more, and bigger cities.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@jeffdaharper
But let's say, not many people want to live in the countryside anymore, nor do they want to live in the biggest cities, so for whatever reasons, number of cities doubles. Yes, 63 years is plenty of time to build so many cities. Think of all the jobs, and all the money people would love to spend, in order to buy homes to have a place to live. Where to build so many cities? In between the other various growing cities.
Water can come from desalination of ocean water.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@jeffdaharper
Ever seen how they can move a house? You aren't using much imagination at all. If the future has flying cars, then why not, flying cranes? Without using roads, there's not the limit on height nor width, of a house being moved down a street.
If world pop manages to soar all the more, why can't we have better technologies, to factory-produce houses? Just put down a cement slab, and hook up some utilities, and fly a new house, mass-produced by robots, right into place.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@jeffdaharper
House structure could also be improved. Today's houses are a bit too much like match-sticks nailed together. Withstands most normal weather, but not so easy to hook up to a crane. Add in a basic steel frame of some sort, and houses could be mass-produced, with handy crane hoist points in the roof. And these days, steel is not the only strong material available.
Maybe why number of cities may double, is many improvements will do away with shanties, homes get larger?
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist Sure, whatever, keep banging those rocks together mate.
jeffdaharper 5 days ago
"Peak population" is a prediction only. As of now, no signs of it are visible. But the really distorting figure in the clip is the statement that "every family can have a house and a yard and it will fit into Texas". While this may be mathematically true, the ecological footprint of a family is much larger than a suburban home and yard. Consider the land use by all the imported products from food to wood to cotton clothing to water to metals, plastics and oil. You cannot get that from your yard.
auroraglacialis 1 week ago
@auroraglacialis
What do you mean, no signs of "peak pop" is visible? Are you blind? "Peak pop" makes more sense than "peak oil" of which there is no evidence, only hearsay lies. "Peak pop" is coming?, due to sharply declined birthrates. Births still outpace deaths, because we have huge youth bulge from past growth, "pop momentum" still because younger people reproduce and have babies, while people tend not to die until they are oil.
I doubt "peak pop," as birthrate may rebound?
pronatalist 6 days ago
@auroraglacialis
I prefer much, better arguments against the pop phobics trying to impose pop "control," than trendy "peak pop" argument, because what if world pop doesn't peak, but simply continues to grow and grow, no end ever in sight? "Demographic transition theory," and its related ideas of of "pop momentum" due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives? People were not designed to use "birth control" and I advocate large families
pronatalist 6 days ago
@auroraglacialis
I respect the "peak pop" argument, because it's not made up, as so many NWO lies are, but is based upon a reasonable extrapolation of the current statistics. But I am not satisfied with the "peak pop" will be reached in 30 years or so, argument, because we are still not sure of this. The better argument, is to show how continued pop growth is good, and that the world could be made somehow to hold lots more people
People might wisen up, and reject contraceptives?
pronatalist 6 days ago
@auroraglacialis
I did not mean to place a question mark (?) after " 'Demographic transition theory,' and its related ideas of 'pop momentum' due to huge youth bulge of past growth, are based upon rampant pushing of contraceptives." I consider "Demographic transition theory" to be an outright NWO fraud, because there's nothing about having money that magically sterilizes the reproductive organs. Rich people especially, ought to be able to afford to have naturally large families.
pronatalist 6 days ago
/watch?v=ZqF4F-U3QUw
Anonymous: Their is Enough for 7 Billion but not Enough for the Greed of The Few!
Pretty Informative on how we can all live on an acre and still have 80% of the land available and showing how to grow enough food and the energy needed to be sustainable from this insane existence, where we act like The Earth is Infinite.
That attitude cannot continue or our future definitely wont.
Covey
Covey1969 1 week ago
This video is sorta like saying there 326 million trillion gallons of water. Humans need about 2 quarts a day x 6.8 billion people means that there should be plenty of water for everyone!!! It completely ignores the idea that over-population isn't just about "square footage" of people's living habitat. But it has to do with natural resources and agriculture and pollution... simply, over population isn't a question that can be solved with just "doing the math"...
TheMonty135 1 week ago
Do the Maths?
So our new houses and yards take up all of texas, how much arible land do we need in addition for agriculture and it's necessary supporting biosphere?
How much do we have?
Which way are the figures trending, how fast and what are the controls? (if any)
THATS RIGHT DO THE MATHS
Damn ignorant Americans think they have an opinion on everything, half of them don't even accept evolution ffs =/
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD LOL. Exactly.
tuberman890 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD This has nothing to DO with Americans. Just because these people who created this video are American, doesn't mean that you can generalize all Americans as idiots who don't get it. Thats ridiculous. Let's not forget that it was an AMERICAN from Stanford who championed this truth and caused the UNFPA. Put your ignorance asideand focus on the real issue, please. Overpopulation is a global problem, not an American one.
icyfyer 1 week ago
@icyfyer
Are you talking about that evil pop phobic, Paul Ehrlich? It's people like him, who give our universities a bad name. I wonder how much money he has made, writing his discredited "overpop" scare-monger books? If the world wasn't so populated, he would have made far less money? If there weren't so many gullible Americans, he would have been fired as a insane crackpot long ago. If I was a student there, I'd try to switch to somebody else's section class. He's no professor.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@icyfyer
Ok not all Americans are idiots, but there are few exceptions.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO? That you would even ask such a ridiculous question, shows you don't know the first thing about NWO, Illuminatti, Masons, or much of anything as conspiracy theories go. NWO is all about causing harm to people, to societies. Is that of God, or of rebellion against God? Watch some of the NWO YouTube videos, as I can't present every little detail to somebody too lazy to do any work or learn.
Very little do I get from Fox.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
You don't understand the pop situation. Malthusian gloom-and-doom has never been proven. Humans ADAPT. God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Where is the spectacular pop bust? Either there is none, or NWO is not satisfied, and is trying to help it to occur.
Know what they call freedom in the former Soviet Union? Chaos. So you are against freedom? Yes, let huge world pop grow naturally "wild," although I don't consider it unordered "chaos."
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
In spite of all the gov interference, and U.S. gov squandering our money, paying farmers to not produce food, farmers still feed the growing world pop. More mouths to feed, means more profits for farmers, yet NWO Satanists continue to debase currencies and rob the productive people of the fruits of their labors?
Let human pops grow naturally, without any imposed "control" on how numerous we might become. Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
What has Satanism got to do with the NWO?
I think you have your conspiracy theories mixed up.
Stop watching Fox propoganda.
"Human pop size is the jurisdiction of God to determine, not man."
That would explain why it is chaos.
Nature shows the same pattern, every time, with every other oversuccessful animal - a spectacular boom followed by a spectacular bust.
Pro-active planning or a massive fight for rescources, our choise.
watch?v=8x98KFcMJeo
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
Finite resources
Rapidly degrading ecosystems
Unprecedented rates of extinction
Food shortages
Exponentially increasing human population
Do the math.
Oh, wait, you're a religious fundamentalist. You don't believe in math.
namarabrede 1 week ago 4
@namarabrede
Here's the "math" for you.
Unsustainable gov debt + economic crisis + tyrant Obama = DISASTER!
Resources aren't so finite, as NWO would like for you to believe. Gov is probably hiding "free energy" and flying saucers from us. We have oil and natural gas most everywhere around us, but they can only drill for it, mostly in countries that hate us? Because gullible Americans don't need jobs, and don't need prosperity?
Rising human pop, shows we are doing something right.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
Free energy? Flying saucers? NWO? Over population is good news?
You're clearly insane.
Incidentally Obamas answer to the economic crisis Bush's hands-off approach created has allowed America to weather the storm FAR better than the CONservative gov in the UK has done. We have austerity here compounding the credit crunch and it's screwed
us. The bailout shouldn't have happened IMO but for anarcho-capitalist conservatives it was pay-day.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
Bush was 3 years ago. You Obama-tons can't just keep blaming everything on Bush. When are you going to own up to, Obama's making things worse? Was FDR's Great Depression, also Bush's fault?
Bush was hands off? We haven't had true freedom nor capitalism, for some time. Many problems date back to Carter and before. 1913, creation of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System of central bank-sters, manipulating and stealing from the economy.
Oil prices soaring under Obama
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
If I'm supposedly "insane" to mention "free energy" and flying saucers, then tell me, why do people often accept that idea, that maybe gov is hiding such things? Tell me why. What is your explanation for UFO sitings? Is it really morons wanting to get in the news? A cover story for something? Why is experimental gov "test craft" such a common theory?
That huge human pops keep growing, of course is good news. Shows we are at least solving some problems, living longer.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
Are you in the UK? I don't think the UK has conservative gov.
Here in America, they say that today's conservatives, are the liberals of decades ago. Know what that means? That means, today's conservatives are as liberal as liberals of decades ago. That the social mores are in serious decline, and the country is tilting more and more communist, sort of like a doomed ship that is listing over to one side, only a matter of time before it sinks.
I opposed the bailouts.
pronatalist 1 week ago
This video is idiotic. Period.
Thelionspurr 1 week ago
So you are saying that we should expand simply because we can. I am saying that considering the technological lifestyle that the developing and devloped all nations are chasing, it is unsustainable for the current world population or larger populations to live that way. Put rats in a room with food and what will they do? Eat and breed themselves into oblivion with no kind of foresight of possible consequences for what they are doing. We humans have minds we should not go the same route
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
Not saying to expand, just because we can. But because God commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Expand, because the history of "birth control" stinks. Is practically putrid. I am saying to expand, because more and more people would be glad to live. Expand, to fight the evil NWO.
Rats has nothing to do with it. What do I care about rats? I am not a rat. People can ADAPT. We know our numbers are rising gradually, and can plan ahead for that.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist There are many things that the old testament says that we should do. Do you do all of them?
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
I try to observe the Old Testament, and the New Testament, better than most so-called Christians do. A good start is to actually read what the text says. I am also studying the "lost books" of the Bible, and Hebrew.
I do not believe in "slow down on this baby making stuff," for God clearly commanded Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. That means to reject "birth control" and allow baby booms to emerge, intensify, spread naturally and "wildly" "out of control."
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist It says to fill the earth. Let me ask you, when will we "fill the earth"? Conceptually, when has this task been accomplished?
yakovlev3a 6 days ago
@yakovlev3a
Actually, the King James Version uses the word "replenish." Which the dictionary says means "fill." Other versions, use the word "fill."
Everybody I asked in an informal poll of friends and coworkers, said God's commandment to multiply, still applies. Even some guy who said world pop is huge, but yeah, it still applies. Perhaps people don't want to be told how many children they can have.
Fill earth won't be accomplished, until God says it is. It's a process, so keep on.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@pronatalist Get a grip man. The more people on this earth, the more amplified our problems will be. That is how it has always been, and recently has been getting a lot worse. Your intellect is the only thing that God has given you that separates you from animals.Use it
yakovlev3a 5 days ago
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@yakovlev3a
But what is the purpose for people to use intellect anyway? To find more ways to oppress one another? To accumulate lots of fairly useless and costly toys, like boats, RVs, and sportscars? No, among the best ways to use human intellect, is to deliberately work towards, and develop proper technologies, to allow and welcome world pop to rise naturally, and to assist all countries to comfortably and safely, grow naturally,ever denser with people, so that more people can live
pronatalist 5 days ago
@pronatalist Keep your populator in your pants.
samwst56 5 days ago
@samwst56
That is absurd. Do you keep your "populator" in your pants, that is, if you are a man? If I have a wive, then my "populator" belongs in my wife's birth canal hole, to allow vital semen and whatever babies God may allow us, to flow freely. Birthing babies, is just as natural and proper, as breathing and eating, a natural life process. Also what we should expect, when people understandably find their practical and "religious" objections to "birth control."
Let babies happen!
pronatalist 5 days ago
@pronatalist Your mind is comprised of feces. Keep your peepee in your pants. Control your sex drive by running four miles everyday and bathing in hot water.
You need hard work and lots of it. Get out of your mom's basement, get off the computer and get some manual labor.
samwst56 5 days ago
@samwst56
"peepee?" What? Why do you talk to me, like I am some little kid? I like the term "populator" or "impregnator" better. Little boys have "peepees," because some parents are too embarassed to user proper body anatomy terms, such as "penis." Either that, or they don't want their children using "inappropriate" words in public or talking to their friends.
But adult male humans, do not have little "peepees" anymore, but penises that swell to a big size to implant semen for babies.
pronatalist 8 hours ago
@pronatalist Keep your hand on your testicles and your eyes on the road.
Curb your sexuality.
samwst56 5 days ago
@samwst56
Curb my sexuality? How about we do as the Bible says, and avoid fornication and adultery? But for those people blessed enough to be married, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
Curb our sexuality? Really? In a society that glamorizes sex, with immoral Sex Ed that encourages young (unmarried) people to indulge in sex? Sex everywhere, on TV, on the computer, in our popular music.
So love, or is that sex?, makes the world go round? Do it moral, and let babies happen.
pronatalist 8 hours ago
@pronatalist
You're clearly yet another person blinded by religious distraction.
I would urge you to come back to the real world but to be honest, I'd rather spend my time looking after people in need through no fault of their own.
MaxSafeheaD 5 days ago
@yakovlev3a
And how is you or I, having a few less children, depriving us of blessings, depriving our future children of life, going to keep people in the populous countries from continuing to "fill the earth," nor keep Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims from doing their part to make sure pop never goes down, as somebody said?
There's not just 1, but 3 perceptional dimensions we can yet spread into: Outwards, Inwards, and Upwards. Spread out, spread together, stack upwards into the sky.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@yakovlev3a
The answer is not have to rebel against God, and get the naturally-swelling world pop more "under control," but rather, submit to God that God knows best, and if needed, explore how to allow the planet to naturally grow more dense with people. God's commandment implies, it is God who shall determine our ultimate pop size, not man.
You can see the proper course of action, even in people's innocent comments. "Lots of place to put more people," they say? Okay, let's do it.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@yakovlev3a
Do you really think, that Jesus is going to return, and say, "Well, I didn't mean for you to obey that commandment, that well, and grow world pop into the 10s of billions?" When has man ever obeyed any of God's commandments, "too well?" Captain Planet might say such a thing, but then, Captain Planet is a phony substitute for Jesus, and is evil. Don't think so? Watch the documentary "Replacement Gods" about superheros, and then answer.
I Also believe Sabbath is Saturday.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@yakovlev3a
We should expand, so that babies can freely push out, and nobody need pollute their bodies directly with nasty Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs.
Pops all over the world, are naturally growing larger, regardless whether you and I think it a good idea or not. Somebody said that the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, do their part, to make sure the pop never goes down. Embrace human pop growth, for it's win-win for everybody. More people are glad to live anyway.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
you're right but, as a group, the overwhelming competition for social status means we will fair no better than rats.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
What do I care about social status? I don't drive a stupid hot looking car, to attract the ladies. I don't want that kind anyway. On a forum I post on, my "status" has been rising, but it's just some silly computer algorithm. What does it matter? When I was but a "nobody" or "newbie," I could post just the same.
Humans do not have the short gestational or generation time spans of rats, nor of dogs. We don't usually have "litters" of children. 9 months is on slow-side.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
1.You may not care (B.S.) but normal people do, which was my point.
Your 2nd point I agree with, plus, birth is followed by a long infancy BUT increasingly our young survive and live for many years - leading to exponential population growth, something MUST be done to keep balance.
Seriously, it's not rocket science. The briefest look at how we have increasingly decimated our environment over recent history should be an obvious and STARK warning.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@MaxSafeheaD
So where is it written that we humans must live "in balance" with our environment? No, that's wrong, for for all our history, the world has been filling up with ever more people, and I see it as far better, if we allow that to continue. I have long been an advocate of the natural human pop exponential growth, that God designed. I would agree with liberals, that as numbers of fertile women grows, have to allow ever more people to become sexually active. But marry first.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@MaxSafeheaD
I agree not only with allowing babies to freely emerge from the "huge" numbers of women of childbearing age, but also allowing babies to freely emerge, from ever more birth canal baby holes. I welcome the "wild" natural spread of huge human race, because people are created in God's image, and each and every person is of immense and sacred value, so I do not believe in imposing pop "control" upon people, nor in using the shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive devices and drugs
pronatalist 6 days ago
@MaxSafeheaD
How can people continue to enjoy having their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people alive already? Isn't it obvious? Where can we put perhaps many billions of additional people, should more billions happen to come alive? Where we always have. In between all the billions already living. There can simply come to be more places with lots of people, and fewer places far from lots of people.
Let China fill their "empty cities." Build lots more cities, towns.
pronatalist 6 days ago
@MaxSafeheaD Which is exactly why we should slow down on this baby making stuff. Most of makind's problems comes down to the fact that there are far too many of us considering the way that we are trying to live.
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
I see proabortionist is still here. What a dick.
duffland09 1 week ago
11 billion people is the current projection by 2050. To do this will require 250 million additional hectares of land just for agricultural production. To do this will require destruction of more rainforests, further degredating habitat and biodiversity loss.
Sure... we could keep breeding indiscriminately. But the time will come when humans will destroy so much of the world's resources to feed our overgrown population that we end up undoing ourselves with it.
It's not a myth.
MatxoMan 1 week ago
@MatxoMan Many countries stop farmers from growing surplus food, and almost a third of all food we do grow on Earth is eaten by vermin and thrown out. Hell, in the USA, if all the farms were operating, we could feed the entire Earth(not that we would, due to the distances involved and the expenses).
Also the only countries breeding indiscriminately are third world countries which can't afford to have industrialized food production anyway, like India and Africa.
MasterAsra 1 week ago
@MasterAsra This is totally false. I have members of my own family who have 7 kids. They live in the United States, not some third-world country. It happens all over the place.
icyfyer 1 week ago
@icyfyer
One example, close to home, of a family with 7 children, does not a general trend establish. No thanks to the rampant contraceptive pushing, in developed countries, the average family size is way down from the natural norm.
Obviously, some people, for very understandable practical or "religious" reasons, do not believe in using any means of "birth control," and I very much welcome more families to grow to 7 children or more, so that far more people can come to experience life.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@icyfyer The United States is not a good example at all. Europe and East Asia all have negative population growth for the most part. The United States hardly has much of a growing population except in poorer groups of people. Wealthy and middle class families tend to have less than two children per household in most of the world, and some places have only one or less on average(statistically).
Most population growth with large numbers of children is happening in the poorest countries.
MasterAsra 1 week ago
@MasterAsra
According to the bell curve statistical distribution, the largest families, such as 7 children or more, don't really contribute much to the growing pop at all, but rather, the more typical family sizes, of 3 or 4 children. Because so few people have families that large. It's not so much that we are having all that many children, but more like that there's just so many people having children. Women of childbearing age may be near 2 billion.
Let pops grow naturally, freely.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MatxoMan
If world pop is supposedly becoming "overgrown," that doesn't at all mean we need fewer births, for use a little imagination. Couldn't massive and "overgrown" cities, help hold a surging and "overgrown" country or world pop? People should spread out, but they can also spread together and stack vertically into the sky, to make way for everybody and their progeny.
Birthing babies is as natural and proper, as breathing, heart beating, or eating. I agree with "baby after baby."
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Do you know what else is natural? Famines, war and disease. Those are the natural outgrowings of unsustainable living.
RaynorGo 1 week ago
@MatxoMan
It currently takes around a billion births a decade, just to maintain the present "huge" world pop size, or world pop would soon start shrinking due to natural factors such as "old age" deaths. Obviously, with near 2 billion women of childbearing age now, people like having babies, at a faster rate than even that. Growing by another billion a decade, isn't all that much, that advancing technology and need for more jobs, should easily be able to absorb.
Keep on growing freely.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@MatxoMan
By 2050, especially if we could get some much-needed reforms we already need, 11 billion wouldn't seem like any more, than today's present 7 billion+. Although, wouldn't you admit, that 11 billion is the "high" projection, based upon the assumption, that as I have long advocated, that people will continue in large numbers, rejecting use of the unnatural "birth control?"
I encourage welcoming babies to push out freely, without use of any means of anti-life "birth control."
pronatalist 1 week ago
So, the eight million who die of starvation annually don't utterly demolish the point you're trying to make? Sheer insanity.
RaynorGo 1 week ago
@RaynorGo
What kind of argument is that? 8 million people starve annually? That's not even 1% of the current "huge" world pop, so "lack of food" resources can't be the cause. Look around you, and see the unjust economic system that the NWO criminal elitists have created or corrupted. People who don't buy their food, generally grow food themselves, however, how are poor people to buy food when their crops fail? Large families don't cause poverty, but corrupt govs and fiat paper money.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist Large families and societies destroy fertile soil and increase desertification. We already know that fish hauls worldwide are dropping. We cannot simply continue breeding like bacteria ad infinitum.
RaynorGo 1 week ago
@RaynorGo
Large families and growing societies, allow far more people to experience life. We came alive, as a result, and now we want to "bite the hand that feeds us?" Even most dogs are smarter than that.
Fish hauls are dropping? What does that prove? That farming is a better way to feed people now? Or that whales are eating too much of our fish, and we should bring back whale hunting? I don't even eat much fish nor seafood anyway. I'd be willing to change my diet, for denser society,
pronatalist 1 week ago
@RaynorGo
I'd be willing to change my diet, for societies to grow denser, if it was necessary. But it's not, and there's plenty of food for people with money to buy it. But our economy is rigged against us, by New World Order criminal elitists, who designed fiat paper currency dishonest money, to separate people from their money as the fiat paper is debased.
Humans don't reproduce like bacteria. Do bacteria have male and female? Humans are among slowest reproducing of God's creatures.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
Humans are not the slowest reproducing of "magic-sky-daddy's" creatures, for heavens sake you do come out with some rubbish. Even if we where we also each live for longer and longer and consume more and more wastefully - if you can't see where this is headed you really do have your head in "Yahweh's" clouds.
MaxSafeheaD 1 week ago
@RaynorGo
Famine occurs because evil people use food as a weapon of war. Check your history and current events, to see if this is so. Famine occurs because poor people are shut out of the economy by an unjust system, so that when their crops fail, how will they buy food? We know we need to eat, so why don't we already put more food away to store for emergencies? Do we really trust the corporations and economy to feed us always?
War is caused by NWO, and industrial military complex.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@RaynorGo
Study the NWO and their evil depop agenda. Study the evil history of Margaret Sanger, "birth control," and Nazi eugenics. Yes, they are all "in bed with one another." Why do you want to run around in The Matrix, in delusion and deception, when you could have a much more accurate view of how this evil world really works? Why be on the side of evil, that eventually loses and is cast into hell?
Do you know what else is natural? Urban sprawl, minor "growing pains," and profits.
pronatalist 1 week ago
You god Malarkey.... is empty
duffland09 1 week ago
I think we should just sterilize every child on the planet that is under the age of 10
aaronvespro 2 weeks ago
@aaronvespro
And so we should start, with sterilizing your children? Gee, I do hope you aren't so evil as to consider that seriously? Isn't it possible, that people might object and we could have a World War 3 on our hands?
They say the world has a billion teenagers now. Many probably came from large families.
How can we fit many more billions into the world? Simple. Populate denser. Allow there to come to be, more places with lots of people, and less places far from people.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist well, to avoid world war three, you get the governments of india and china to agree first. duh. and their people will object, which is why you force them to hand over there kids to get vasectomies and tubal ligations. point a gun at them.
aaronvespro 1 week ago
@aaronvespro
WW3 would not likely be caused by the growing pop. But by the evil NWO criminal elitists, seeking ever more power over our lives, and seeking profits off of war and their manipulations of the world. Perhaps India may eventually grow to over 2 billion people, but these things do not occur "in a vacuum," nor is the world a "static" place, where things that change do not change other factors as well. By then, India would more easily hold 2 billion, than they cope with now.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@aaronvespro
Proper way to deal with growing or surging world pop, is to embrace and let it happen. If a mother becomes "great with child," she should feel at ease or proud to either wear maternity clothes, or let her large belly poof out of her shirt, like I saw some Hispanic woman at the store doing. Pregnancy is a very natural and healthy condition, and that human life needs to spread, is very good and understandable.
We should NEVER force nor coerce people to have fewer children
pronatalist 1 week ago
@aaronvespro
We already have more than 7 billion mouths to feed. Everybody has their God-given right to live which includes procreation.
Vasectomies damage the human body, and the ability to procreate children is a necessary and vital life function. What if parents might want to have more children later?
Why is most all medical care and infrastructure, thought by evil liberals, as a means to push "birth control" on people who don't want it? There are ample means to grow pop still.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@aaronvespro
What is even easier than trying to "control" human pop growth, which is already hard to control? How about, not controlling it? Let human pops everywhere, grow naturally and freely. Celebrate each addition billion that may be added to the world, as great progress for the naturally-enlarging human race.
The purpose of building roads, isn't to bring in evil "family planners," but to help allow trade, jobs, and to assist villages and cities grow larger, filling with people
pronatalist 1 week ago
@aaronvespro
How do you pop control freaks, so easily overlook the points I make? What better reason would people have to fight against evil govs, than for their children and families?
Pop growth is not the enemy. NWO criminal elitists who are squandering the wealth of nations, are the enemy.
It's not gov's job to feed people. It's gov job to punish evil-doers and build roads and bridges. People can feed themselves, if gov would get out of the way. If gov would stop destroying jobs.
pronatalist 1 week ago
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@pronatalist
"Isn't it possible, that people might object and we could have a World War 3 on our hands?"
If WW3 comes, it won't be caused by sterilization, it will be fought over dwindling resources, farmland and water. Very simple. If a country's people are poor and starving, and it looks like the neighboring country has food, water and energy to spare, the hungry country won't bother asking, it will TAKE what it wants.
mosquitobight 1 week ago
@aaronvespro lol
tuberman890 1 week ago
"The population of earth will peak in 30 years and then start to go back down....." Through disease, starvation, etc. Are we going to keep ourselves in check, or let mother nature do it for us?
yakovlev3a 2 weeks ago
@yakovlev3a
Neither. If people don't keep their numbers in check, neither will nature. I so detest liar A\B option choices. Why are both A and B bad options, but option C is not disclosed, so that we can more easily make an intelligent choice?
A. Either we control our numbers,
B. Or, nature will?
C. Wrong, nature won't. If we don't control our numbers, pops will grow and grow.
But people and nature, wants us to GROW.
Answer is C, otherwise, why is there evil NWO depop agenda?
pronatalist 1 week ago
what math this is bull shit if 50 million ppl a year die and 70 million are born i think very strongly overpopulation is not a myth. biomass think about it !
OSTlewstein 2 weeks ago
@OSTlewstein
Actually, net increase is around 80 million per year, so births are over 100 million a year.
Biomass? Relatively cheap biomatter (food) naturally turning into ever more people, each of immense and sacred value, is a great "investment," at least philosophically. Food obviously isn't merely for selfish consumption, but for turning into additional people.
There is no human "overpop," for we are supposed to be so many, and "overpop" assumes people aren't worthy of life.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
more ppl + more ppl = more ppl and less room for anything else. if the entire pop of the world lived in texas they would die off bc there arent enough resources there to support them. i think u need to do the math
rogisajackass 2 weeks ago 6
@rogisajackass
Only 2 or 3% of land is occupied by cities. It could be more, a lot more, if ever need be. And still, with double-the-pop, or even far more, there would be lots of room for lots of other stuff.
If everybody moved to Texas, I think it could work, with good gov, but then, why would good gov, ask everybody to move to Texas? It's doable, but not recommended, with the rampant corrupt govs we have now. We could all move to Texas and multiply, but no need to move to Texas.
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@rogisajackass There are these things called airplanes and tranes and boats that can transport large amounts of stuff. Like food. And water. Idiot.
aaronvespro 2 weeks ago
@aaronvespro And you have gone to the university of what? Charity's have a harder time shipping goods to third-world countries then obtaining them. You can't ship large quantities on Airplanes, it just doesn't happen due to a constant called gravity, and aerodynamics. Farther on that note, where would they get the food and water shipped from if the entire population lived in Texas. And @Colinpri1 Are we assuming that the resources were being shipped in from else where by train?
TheNorthernNalkyrie 2 weeks ago
@TheNorthernNalkyrie
Well you talk, as if you are not a business person. I think the value of a lot of products, can easily cover the freight shipping charges. And trains and ships are a lot less expensive, for fuel costs, to ship a pound a mile, than trucks and cars, so efficient shipping routes, helps. Much of the cost, is in inventory that sits and doesn't sell quickly.
And if shipping routes are too long, what happened to prospect of producing our food, more locally?
pronatalist 1 week ago
@aaronvespro NOT PRACTICAL OR REALISTIC... IDIOT.
marsupialbeige 1 week ago
@marsupialbeige yes it is practical and realistic. Vasectomies don't even require scalpels anymore. They take about five minutes each We may have to build some dirt and gravel roads to get to the rural areas of india, china, brazil, so forth, but that is way less expensive than try to feed 7 billion people. Then we just do vasectomeis and tubal ligations on all the little muhammeds and joses.
aaronvespro 1 week ago
@rogisajackass right on the money mate, did this asshole even consider the food production, fresh water, and all of the other thousands of resources needed to sustain a human population? THAT is where the issue lies, not in " ohh we can all have a little house wiv a yard in it!!! " {-)
marsupialbeige 1 week ago
@marsupialbeige
So who died around here, and made who? god?
Why is anybody responsible for feeding all the billions of people? Whatever happened to individual freedom and personal responsibility? Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. Implication seems to be, that people, pretty much, feed themselves. They should not long expect handouts and bailouts to continue, for the irresponsible.
People are finding ways to produce more food, but we are being robbed of $.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
"Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat."
Trouble is, resource scarcity means we will be doing less and less eating for the same amount of work. We used to go to Arabia, poke a pipe a few hundred feet down and get millions of gallons of grade A oil. Now we need to go to Alaska and drill miles down for a bit of thick, sandy oil.
"we are being robbed of $."
The USA spent its borrowed $ on 50 years of superpower games. Broke now. The bill's come due.
mosquitobight 1 week ago
@mosquitobight
How do you do that? Go from being completely wrong, and a jerk, to hitting the nail right on? See? You do have potential. You have a mind that can figure things out, if you would just, use it.
Technology is allowing us to yield more benefits from less work.
But you are right about the wicked Babylon America. Superpower games? Yeah, study the conspiracy theories, and what else can we conclude? NWO criminal U.S. politicians, delighted in building our debt supernova.
pronatalist 1 week ago
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@pronatalist
"How do you do that? Go from being completely wrong, and a jerk, to hitting the nail right on?"
Yes I'm right about USA overextending, all superpowers do that. I'm also right about everything else I said, especially religion. You think I'm a jerk because I don't share your delusion? That means most of the world for most of history are "jerks." You BELIEVE Jesus is coming back. I KNOW he's not. No more than Bob Hope or Mark Twain are coming back. THE DEAD DON'T RISE.
mosquitobight 1 week ago
@pronatalist
You can't make up your mind whether to believe in our salvation through new technology or divine intervention. Both are irresponsible. That's not planning ahead. You can't tell people to procreate safely in the belief "Jesus will come back and save us" or someone's going to invent a food-for-all machine. That's like being unemployed, buying a big house on mortgage, going to Vegas, putting a $10,000 chip on 00 and expecting to win and pay off your house with your prize.
mosquitobight 1 week ago
@mosquitobight
But human pop increase, is not my idea. I only defend the need and right of human pops to grow. But regardless whether you and I have any children, don't you suppose that people in developing countries, will likely go on having their precious, darling, God-given babies? Why do you think we can "control" the natural increase of the human race? As somebody said, the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims do their part to make sure pop never goes down.
Opposing pop = DANGER.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@mosquitobight
Come on, let's be honest. What people aim for, they tend to get. Even people who bought big mc-mansions they couldn't afford, during the property value speculation bubble, the gov inflated with their "easy" and irresponsible credit ("money printing"), many of them have lost their homes, and been foreclosed on, but many also are still in their "underwater" homes. Some people do get the pay raise, or have unexpected inheritance or other gains, and do keep their house.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@mosquitobight
Study history, and the fall of empires. We are an overextended empire, that is unsustainable. We can't mind the business of the entire world, and still manage our own affairs.
No wonder I want to leave America. We are a "has been" country. Our glory is in the past. Our currency is near collapse, perhaps by design?
Jason Lewis said Ron Paul would more easily win the general (Nov.) election than the Republican Primary, for Republicans are the war party. Yeah, seems so
pronatalist 1 week ago
@mosquitobight
Next caller said we elect the Democrats, and the wars don't end. We elect the Republican, and the (gov) spending doesn't end. As I say, and people always seem to agree, we are seeking a political solution to a spiritual problem. America has lost its way. We have been taken over, by NWO criminal elitists who are destroying us. But they say that countries get the govs that they deserve. I fear that may be true. Foreigners say that Americans are gullible and uninformed
pronatalist 1 week ago
@marsupialbeige
Some moron on a YT video I watched, dissed the conspiracy theories of FEMA concentration camps, Marshall Law, and the borders, even traveling from city to city, to be shut down soon. Yeah, what evidence did he show, that there's nothing to those conspiracy theories? But he did raise a point, of the slavery we are already in. He said the concentration camps are our cities, and the razor-wire is our jobs, gasoline costs, and credit cards. We're slaves to the system.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@rogisajackass if the entire population of the world lived in texas they wouldnt die off if the entire earth's resources were shared fairly to support them. You make a great point but i think you* need to re-do* the math :)
Scopps94 1 week ago
Does the maker of this video not realize that natural resources exist in finite amounts. I suspect a religious Christian nut job made this video.
nkelly1432 2 weeks ago
@nkelly1432
Why do you parrot same old New World Order criminal elitist depop anti-pop propaganda? Don't you realize that they have to get us to be guilty in our own genocide, to get us to start killing off our children by shoddy Big Pharma contraceptive potions and poisons, and then abortions when the shoddy contraceptives often inevitably "fail," to get the public so desensitized, that we won't rise up and revolt when NWO finds ever more devious ways to kill us "surplus" pop off?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago
@pronatalist Wow dude, you're right. The natural forces of starvation, disease, and war should thin the herd instead of proactive measures to prevent such things from happening in the first place.
nkelly1432 2 weeks ago 6
@nkelly1432
We aren't allowed to "cull" the growing "human herd." God clearly commanded people to Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. So if the frontiers are supposedly vanishing, then we had better be exploring the proper ways to respect human dignity and individual freedom, while allowing and encouraging countries worldwide to naturally and simply populate up themselves denser and denser.
Nature is NOT keeping us "in check," so the billions go right on rising. Freedom!
pronatalist 1 week ago
@pronatalist
"Nature is NOT keeping us "in check," so the billions go right on rising."
In the poorest countries, Nature is very much in charge. Malaria and other diseases are killing millions annually. They are fast evolving immunity to every drug our modern labs throw at them. Someday the USA will fall victim to drug-resistant plague, flesh-eating bacteria, yes even malaria, as soon as global warming takes away the chill of winter, allowing malaria mosquitos to live everywhere.
mosquitobight 1 week ago
@nkelly1432
I'm not saying to corral people up into the hugest supercities. I prefer people continue to spread out if they can. Some say before "The Stuff Hits The Fan," to leave the big cities. NWO is obviously plotting evil designs against the common people of the world. More and more people are sensing "something isn't right." I don't have much preference where people live, so long as they live where they want. What I am saying, is let average world pop and density, rise freely.
pronatalist 1 week ago
@nkelly1432 well put!! ... but this 'pronatalist' is one maggoty religionist who makes discussions and arguments so futile that beating your head on a brick wall will seem like a nice vacation in comparison
gnosiszenlotus 1 week ago
@gnosiszenlotus
So I'm a "maggoty religionist?" What is that even supposed to mean? You have no religious tolerance, even though most people, seem to be religious, or go to some form of Church?
So what if someday, some claimed atheist comes onto the forum, and says that he can see some benefits to the "progress" of the human race expanding its numbers? Will you also call him some "maggoty religionist," or some disrespectful name, for refusing to be a trendy stupid pop phobic?
pronatalist 1 week ago
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gnosiszenlotus 1 week ago
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@pronatalist i like lots of religious people... not all of them are like you; hence, i chose the words i used to refer to YOU as: "ONE maggoty religionist".
have a nice day prick
gnosiszenlotus 1 week ago
@nkelly1432 my point EXACTLY! Anyone that even lightly investigates history of urban society knows that the denser the society becomes, the more quickly disease spread. Not to mention that all nations have adopted the pursuit of the technological lifestyle that the west enjoys (which is very harmful to the planet). The only way that all nations can live this way is if all nations shrink their populations to a size that is sustainable for the planet. Its not NWO its basic logic.
yakovlev3a 1 week ago
@yakovlev3a
If there was really "too many" people on the earth, then 7 billion people wouldn't be possible. And yet apparently it is possible, so shouldn't the kooky anti-pop theories, be revised, to explain for that we are so many now, and yet we keep multiplying?
If we are "too dense" then why don't you avoid crowded sports events, concerts, fairs, school classrooms? Because not even you believe that "too dense" theory? That theory has never been proven.
It is NWO anti-people lies.
pronatalist 1 week ago
No chump. You are an ASTROTURFER. I am here to fuck with you.
duffland09 2 weeks ago
@duffland09
What? You say you are here to learn from me? You came here, to be one of my many fans?
Whatever is an "astro-turfer" anyway? Or is that what YOU are?
Do you crazy liberals think there is but only 1 side to such a controversial argument as the fundamental basic freedom of responsible (married) procreation? Al Gore is wrong. Everybody who disagrees with him, isn't simply a "denier."
Why did you call me a Jew-bot? That means, you are a hater? Only Jews have big families?
pronatalist 2 weeks ago