@CeatcodeDelta32 *Continued* there would also be a "scout" or "spy" NPC in the city that would tell you what settlements the opposing faction is planning on attacking, this way you would be able to make a group to try and defend it. Of course, not all settlements would be eligible for attack (but of course you could just do it the old fashioned way if you want to go to one not on the list). Maybe blizz could make some settlements just for this world PvP
Idea. Billboard. In major city. You clicked it. A browser comes up with a list of different raid groups and whoever's hosting it, next to the group name shows what settlement belonging to the other faction they're planning on attacking. you can sign up, and you would join them at a set time that the leader of the group determines. maybe blizz could even like have a reminder pop up like for RBGs or dungeons whenever its time.
Anyone else who wants back AV from classic? Where battles could take several hours, did quests where the goal was to upgrade guards and send assult squads?
I think tol barad and winter grasp were fine. Sure you can phase into it but having large scale battles is still pretty cool. And the battles have an effect on your faction, your faction has access to daily quests and Baradin Hold.
So the conclusion of a 20min monologue, is that blizz should recreate world pvp by making areas where both factions have to do same daily quests. Gosh. Really a wonder blizzard hasn't hired you yet..
Losing in a bg you had a fighting chance, and you were working towards a goal you didn't achieve but continue to work towards next bg. Getting ganked, not so much.
Me and some friends on the horde side are actually organizing 40vs40 world pvp battles. Believe it or not there are quite a few ppl just doing it for the lolz. =D
amen on world PvP, the only 1v1 scenario I even remember in all my time playing WoW from Vanilla to now, was during TBC fighting a bear druid on my prot warrior for 10 minutes straight without either of us killing each other.
Warhammer had great rvr action, but it only really worked in early lvling zones. In endgame it was served train going up and down the map. Game was designed around world pvp, and still it fooled, didn't pass the reality check.
heres an idea, 4 rogues each with their own 40 man grp full of pvp players sneak into a opposing faction city get to a safeish place, pop their 'have group will travel' buff and pop evasion and cloak then type /yell screw u feckers. Then go raze the city to the ground
But I love to kill those alliance bastards who try to do some quests. It is real World PvP and it is only right thing to do because they kept killing me when I leveled my first char during vanilla and TBC. They earned it and we must do it.
@SmugglerWeb U know that bridge between durator and the barrens that every low lvl troll or orc has to cross to carry on the quest progression...weeeelllll snake, immolation an freezing trap then watch the carnage hehehe
If blizz wanted to bring world pvp back first take away flying in zones, give each zone something ppl will fight for that gives rewards-also make the rewards change with each patch so ppl keep coming back, have multiple tol barad/wintergrasp type zone battles, and pvp dailies for attacking and defending capital cities-each day it's a different city. There's more to be done but this would get things going big time.
World Pvp is dead because questing is dead. Nobody plays world of warcraft to quest anymore. It's at its peak. BC was fun because it was so fresh and new that everyone was leveling and everyone was encountering other players throughout the world who were exploring and also question. Wow is now about lvl cap and raiding or lvl cap and Arena.
@Joseph4675 agreed, and this is where the world pvp was lost. World PvP was not about epic battles but about coming across someone else and skirmishing. It was tremendous fun. Taking the emphasis off of questing, allowing BOA gear that MASSIVELY gives the advantage to the alt over the new player makes it less fun; and the dungeon finder eliminates fun and exciting PvP
Yup, I had some Tol Barad Peninsula battles... those weren't very popular, but you really just need some guilds that just keep fighting each other, and just reground after being beat. You need stubborn people.
So you mean like a 24/7 version of TB that happens all the time so your server has to make the group and go get it back and you can just walk into it for fun. Also there would have to be some kind of reward for doing so.
well real world pvp that involves ganking would work, because if u are questing and you're out smarting the higher level to avoid being ganked is funny, exciting and fun.
Sub-faction PVP battles would create multiple fronts for world PVP. Horde and Aliance could choose from several npc factions to represent and in world pvp are hostile to all opposing subfactions in addition to the normal alliance horde divide. It would be beautiful.
@madmoddersparkler That would be very nice and much more exiting...I've always wanted to kill blood elves but I couldn't because I'm horde but maybe my dream will come true.
Runescape had good world pvp back in the day. Because people wernt stuck to a specific server, and an area designated for player killing, with the reward of taking all their gear. That was perfect for the people who like to kill players.
Going on from the daily idea, if you made it a pick up quest, if you have them also drop off a player, it would probably increase the pvp
These Daily's should probably include Profession Dailies such as JC, Cooking, Fishing etc (especially if they put in a daily for every profession) it would help.
Or they could add in transmogrification rewards which would also help
i`d like to see in wow, city sieges like in lineage 2... been in a city ride about 2-3 years ago and it blew my mind, i dont like the l2 combat but seeing a lot of people trying to siege a city it was awsome
PVP is all i do in wow, as soon as i hit 85 i start gearing for pvp. because pvp is always differnt and pvp takes skill and teamwork to beat the enemy, raiding requires alot less skill, and now days almost no skill because blizzard is making it easyier and easyier and people just search the fight on the net and suddenly know exactly what will happen every single time.
Also, checking Lore's stats on armory, he has few to no world kills, given that he pre-dates vanilla, he has little to no victories in WG. You're not a world PvP player. World PvP isn't epic TM vs SS. It's someone in Northrend saying in chat "Globalwarmer and some rogue are ganking" and some other folks showing up to fight. THAT is world PvP.
@JamesTheBurke and world pvp did not die with BC. It was alive and well, just no longer huge 'epic battles' in Hillsbrad: it was skirmishes all over the world
@keelygodwin or maybe I have very few world kills on my paladin is because a) I have 6 level 85s, and I only play my Paladin for raids, and b) the situation you describe is extremely rare.
@devomorph it has been lately for me because I haven't been on in a while, but it was not extremely rare. It was actually very common for a long time through WoTLK and some of Cataclysm. I have 8 level 85s, and got 6k of my 13k kills on my pally in exactly that way (as world kills, primarily in 5 or 6 man skirmishes). Just saying world PvP isn't JUST about big epic battles.
How about random realm events, which points out a zone which have to be defended/taken, and the winner faction/group will control the area for a while, and will be able to get stuff from there, which is only available for them, if they successfully capture the area/city/zone. Like Halaa, but not only a city but whole areas and cities.
world pvp is not big zone battle grounds. It's fighting in the world. Ganking is not world pvp and there are no rewards for doing it other than "pride." People who "hate" world pvp are people who don't really participate. I does NOT have to be a big epic battle, it can be 2 or 3 on 2 or 3 others. People either like it or don't, that's just the way the game is designed. Was it more fun in the Dun Niffelem area? Yes. Does it mean it all sucks now? no. Get over it.
As for ganking: I think it could be fixed by making grey players unattackable. There's no real competition from a grey player and there's very little the grey player could do to annoy you (make quest mobs unattackable too).
Ultima Online, "Guild War" system. One guild declares war on another guild, the other guild accepts decleration. Chaos/Order system. Great examples. Also, Asherons Call 2 did very well for me also. I played Dark Tide as it was dulling down after hero system/pre WoW. I have fights that I still remember, as well as remembering half the main PvP'rs character names. We had roughly 25 active pvp'rs with about 10 big names. Yes that translated into 1 fight every hour of running around. Loved it!
I actually disagree with your take on consent based world pvp. I think as long as your on the same level with about the same gear, regardless of whether the other is there for world pvp it's still interesting to get into a fight outside of fixed zone pvp.
What i would like to see is a deathmatch zone that, regardless of faction, eveyone fights everyone. Also you could remove flying and limit it to 5 player groups only to make it more balanced. Also i love the show ^^.
Lineage 2.. when it origionally released had some of the best world pvp, giant server wide castle seiges guild vs guild etc.. it really was awesome.. untill the hackers started running wild and gold farmers filled the streets.. but the idea was sound.. each week having an objective to win and hold...and defend... not like WG or TB.. more epic... something that is meaningful though...
take all the stuff from all the battlegrounds and current world pvp areas (Silithus, Grizzly, Halaa etc), and put them all into one.. taking over bases, bombing runs, siege engines, controlling nodes, tokens, daily quests, zone rankings, EVERYTHING.. and make like 20 new zones with all of that
personally i don't think it can be done in a controled area like ilum. honestly i think world pvp can only work if its player generated JUST to go out and do it not doing it cause there is a reward but to just go out and meet the other faction and do it
Why not mentioning Halaa in Nagrand, and the PvP objectives in Terokkar, Hellfire and Zangramarsh? Halaa gave access to patterns and mounts and vendors, while in Zangra you had access to a buff that increased your DPS by 5% (in dungeons, not sure if it worked in SSC) and a closer graveyard if you wipe, making corpserunning faster.
In Terokkar you got a rep bonus and could get fragments from the dungeons there which gave OK:ish items.
@Ferdawoon In short: What about a zone with a constant battle (just be PvP flagged near this flag. Not like in TB / WG or in Terokk where if you captured the flags it was yours for a couple of hours) where you get a buff that work inside a raid. 5% extra rep in Firelands? Not all would care, but make it enough of an incentive, while not making it completly mandatory, and you can have raiding guilds recruit PvPers to help keep the buff up while they raid.
i quit wow for Star Wars... i just got bored of it .. log in headbut deathwing win get free loot walk away.... login go pvp listen to people on your side QQ he is OP that is OP BLAAAAa blizz unbalanced the game for a reason never going to chance QQ blaaaa get over it just quit wow and go Starwars wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more fun sorry QQ all u wnat but SW is killing off wow go chect the facts look at the subscribers SWTOR will be one of the factors that kills wow
Woah Lore that note at the end of the video was really difficult to read, I had to FRAPs it and edit it with Sony Vegas to pause it at the precise moment...
To elaborate on the gaurds being nerfed, I have to agree. Why is it if we are Azeroths Saviours, that a guard can two shot us while deathwing explodes into confetti again and again, week after week.
guard have to stay same strengh as max level player!we had easy npc in in vanilla and it cause all kind of issue!but you are right there should be same number of guard as there are foe player!so there are 2 horde there should be 2 allie guard there is 25 allie there should be 25 horde guard!
I don't understand the problem here. Isn't world PvP automatically consentual by virtue of everyone involved choosing to play on a PvP server instead of one of the equally viable PvE servers (or activating their PvP flag if on PvE servers)?
If I said to you "Drink this glass of water" and you don't want it, I could either force you or I could feed you with cookies or salty stuff, which makes you WANT the water...
Would it be too difficult for blizzard to have a system where it senses the number of opposing faction players and makes the appropriate amount of guards active and/or spawns more to keep it intense?
You missed out one other major reason as to why world PvP is broken: The guards.
If, say, a horde meets an alliance, and begins attacking in say, Tol Barad, all the Ally player has to do is run back behind a line of guards and boom, the horde has been 2 shot and he's dead.
Nerf the guards + what Lore said = Better World PvP
@TheKeelshing And you don't think this doesn't work for horde? The horde guards are closer to the road and the barrier. Horde can run through the alliance barrier in TB and down to the Ally GY and camp.
Well also not having guards can be lame due to camping. I know faction imbalance in PvP would increase massively without any guards that pose a threat... but also guards in capital cities are massive nuisances for people doing achievements and exploring, especially solo or in small groups. As a healer, keeping me permanently in combat means my effectiveness is reduced by like half. Fewer than 5 players in an enemy city? Guard respawn times nerfed.
the three faction idea is the best.as for open instanced world pvp it is a great idea i did dailys in rage of fireland daily and trust me it is one of the great achievement of blizzard .it is sad the incentive werent mandatory ,if they had just made it so that each time you want to access any pvp in the game you have to go do those dailies it would have been insanlly huge but like you said if you leave room for player to wiggle trou without effort they will go that path even if it is boring
Ganking is a term used by people that cannot defend themselves and are interested in playing a game where world PvP doesn't exist. If questing in stranglethorn means you die every 30 minutes from a level 85, don't complain. It's war. If you don't think it's war, maybe you should read the name of the game. There's no reason Horde should freely allow Alliance to easily increase their ranks, and vice versa.
is it just me or did he describe Illum when he was talking about what WoW should do with a PvP area. A large area with shared dailies that everyone get something out of for completing and you need to group up or be killed. How is that different then Illum? lol
@RemnentOfThePast that combined with an area that was the sort of 'go to place' for world pvp and thats actually a really good solution, maybe things like the area in the middle of nagrand
tm vs ss was my high school....ahh the days were the bats flew in and i ganked one low level and within the hour the entire alliance and horde are fighting
FOR THOSE WONDERING at the end it says, wife came home halfway through recording this, if you listen closely you can hear my dog flipping out :| , god it toke me like 12 times to get it. lol
Wintergrasp was good ONCE they had fixed the balance. This did not happen until very very late in wolk, by then people had already made up their mind.
the best world PvP if experienced was in TBC in the Isle of Queldanas(or what ever the name was, which had most of the dailies). There was always some battles going on, cause a small arean and alliance and horde both had their dailies there. I hope they could make an interesting daily questing zone (BH-isle was the dullies place on cata), where some PvP could happen, like in TBC
Lore, you obviously have Blizzard's attention. You should suggest another type of Isle of Quel Danas zone. Maybe adding it to cataclysm or MoP. I miss the grouping for dailies, It built teamwork and made you learn your class. Wintergrasp was severely imbalanced and terrible. Tol B worst BG ever.
large scale pvp... 40v40 no rez .. when your dead your dead ..last team standing wins..winner gets honor.. loser gets nil cause they died.. btw ganking is not pvp.. is a childs game with useful purpose(unless person being ganked asked for it..lol..)
@AshariaFabray In what way was Wintergrasp awesome? Maybe it could have been awesome if factions were balanced, but I played Wintergrasp on 3 different realms and always one faction had way more players and was just smashing faces and with the player amount restriction it's just another BG
@CeatcodeDelta32 *Continued* there would also be a "scout" or "spy" NPC in the city that would tell you what settlements the opposing faction is planning on attacking, this way you would be able to make a group to try and defend it. Of course, not all settlements would be eligible for attack (but of course you could just do it the old fashioned way if you want to go to one not on the list). Maybe blizz could make some settlements just for this world PvP
CeatcodeDelta32 4 days ago
Idea. Billboard. In major city. You clicked it. A browser comes up with a list of different raid groups and whoever's hosting it, next to the group name shows what settlement belonging to the other faction they're planning on attacking. you can sign up, and you would join them at a set time that the leader of the group determines. maybe blizz could even like have a reminder pop up like for RBGs or dungeons whenever its time.
CeatcodeDelta32 4 days ago
Classic DAOC realm pvp was world pvp done right.
ryanpharr 1 week ago
Me, I use a Ret Paladin and fly out of the sky every 5 minutes and use all my CD's and demolish people with low health.
Oh wait.
Rilgsqt 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Anyone else who wants back AV from classic? Where battles could take several hours, did quests where the goal was to upgrade guards and send assult squads?
Haakon303 3 weeks ago 3
Gimme my bucket bitch. hahahhahahah.
MrSkindreads 3 weeks ago
I think tol barad and winter grasp were fine. Sure you can phase into it but having large scale battles is still pretty cool. And the battles have an effect on your faction, your faction has access to daily quests and Baradin Hold.
Metruzero 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from ZAMOfficial
So the conclusion of a 20min monologue, is that blizz should recreate world pvp by making areas where both factions have to do same daily quests. Gosh. Really a wonder blizzard hasn't hired you yet..
H4mmerfall 3 weeks ago
thats a wig
25MikeyT 3 weeks ago
Losing in a bg you had a fighting chance, and you were working towards a goal you didn't achieve but continue to work towards next bg. Getting ganked, not so much.
DragonLady392 3 weeks ago
Mined a herb...? xD
KasparLovesHorsez 3 weeks ago
tiny tower lol!
steve15900 3 weeks ago
Me and some friends on the horde side are actually organizing 40vs40 world pvp battles. Believe it or not there are quite a few ppl just doing it for the lolz. =D
bool9513 3 weeks ago
amen on world PvP, the only 1v1 scenario I even remember in all my time playing WoW from Vanilla to now, was during TBC fighting a bear druid on my prot warrior for 10 minutes straight without either of us killing each other.
World PvP is all about large scale battles.
DarkKuno 3 weeks ago
Fuck autocorrect.
angrybubblz 3 weeks ago
*zerg train
angrybubblz 3 weeks ago
Warhammer had great rvr action, but it only really worked in early lvling zones. In endgame it was served train going up and down the map. Game was designed around world pvp, and still it fooled, didn't pass the reality check.
angrybubblz 3 weeks ago
Wintergrasp was great.
ZForZakur 3 weeks ago
"Congratulations, you killed that guy"? I'd say Congratulations you managed to mine a herb!
alemalem7 3 weeks ago
heres an idea, 4 rogues each with their own 40 man grp full of pvp players sneak into a opposing faction city get to a safeish place, pop their 'have group will travel' buff and pop evasion and cloak then type /yell screw u feckers. Then go raze the city to the ground
MrShadeux 3 weeks ago
LoTRO has great world pvp aka pvmp
MacTheHazelnut 3 weeks ago
But I love to kill those alliance bastards who try to do some quests. It is real World PvP and it is only right thing to do because they kept killing me when I leveled my first char during vanilla and TBC. They earned it and we must do it.
SmugglerWeb 3 weeks ago
@SmugglerWeb U know that bridge between durator and the barrens that every low lvl troll or orc has to cross to carry on the quest progression...weeeelllll snake, immolation an freezing trap then watch the carnage hehehe
MrShadeux 3 weeks ago
If blizz wanted to bring world pvp back first take away flying in zones, give each zone something ppl will fight for that gives rewards-also make the rewards change with each patch so ppl keep coming back, have multiple tol barad/wintergrasp type zone battles, and pvp dailies for attacking and defending capital cities-each day it's a different city. There's more to be done but this would get things going big time.
kingmeup21 3 weeks ago
Bonus points for the Planetside reference.
brianpostal 3 weeks ago
World Pvp is dead because questing is dead. Nobody plays world of warcraft to quest anymore. It's at its peak. BC was fun because it was so fresh and new that everyone was leveling and everyone was encountering other players throughout the world who were exploring and also question. Wow is now about lvl cap and raiding or lvl cap and Arena.
Joseph4675 3 weeks ago in playlist The Weekly Marmot & PST
@Joseph4675 agreed, and this is where the world pvp was lost. World PvP was not about epic battles but about coming across someone else and skirmishing. It was tremendous fun. Taking the emphasis off of questing, allowing BOA gear that MASSIVELY gives the advantage to the alt over the new player makes it less fun; and the dungeon finder eliminates fun and exciting PvP
keelygodwin 3 weeks ago
Yup, I had some Tol Barad Peninsula battles... those weren't very popular, but you really just need some guilds that just keep fighting each other, and just reground after being beat. You need stubborn people.
Atratzu 3 weeks ago
world pvp was fun in classic lmao i miss it and the old AV's
rcw56 3 weeks ago
This video needs more Shadowbane.
Xeisho 3 weeks ago
I killed some guy that was fishing and took the pool... then the turtle mount dropped. :O:O:O:O
hylerical 3 weeks ago
So you mean like a 24/7 version of TB that happens all the time so your server has to make the group and go get it back and you can just walk into it for fun. Also there would have to be some kind of reward for doing so.
RMMFeed 3 weeks ago
well real world pvp that involves ganking would work, because if u are questing and you're out smarting the higher level to avoid being ganked is funny, exciting and fun.
citirCcritiC 3 weeks ago
Sub-faction PVP battles would create multiple fronts for world PVP. Horde and Aliance could choose from several npc factions to represent and in world pvp are hostile to all opposing subfactions in addition to the normal alliance horde divide. It would be beautiful.
madmoddersparkler 3 weeks ago 12
@madmoddersparkler That's actually a really good idea
bhenmars93 1 week ago
@madmoddersparkler That would be very nice and much more exiting...I've always wanted to kill blood elves but I couldn't because I'm horde but maybe my dream will come true.
jimmylx12 1 week ago
Runescape had good world pvp back in the day. Because people wernt stuck to a specific server, and an area designated for player killing, with the reward of taking all their gear. That was perfect for the people who like to kill players.
dukesarx 3 weeks ago
world pvp.. whip out stick... gnomes... rape... evilmegusta.jpg
Wootihackedwow 3 weeks ago
I'm seriously considering unsubscribing all u seem to do of late is moan about everything.
Disappointed :(
jammiedodger6t9 3 weeks ago
Going on from the daily idea, if you made it a pick up quest, if you have them also drop off a player, it would probably increase the pvp
These Daily's should probably include Profession Dailies such as JC, Cooking, Fishing etc (especially if they put in a daily for every profession) it would help.
Or they could add in transmogrification rewards which would also help
Alexexic 3 weeks ago
brb gotta mine that herb :)
ohnoezitsjoez 3 weeks ago
FUCK HUMAN RACIAL!
oompalee267 3 weeks ago
Im amazed, I was playing a TBC private server back than, and it remainds me of Isle...
Theyrealone 4 weeks ago
and i think guild wars2 will have that
b4g4b3l 4 weeks ago in playlist The Weekly Marmot & PST
i`d like to see in wow, city sieges like in lineage 2... been in a city ride about 2-3 years ago and it blew my mind, i dont like the l2 combat but seeing a lot of people trying to siege a city it was awsome
b4g4b3l 4 weeks ago in playlist The Weekly Marmot & PST
When WoW dies... Blizz will keep PVP as a stand alone game...
ldangussca 4 weeks ago
Quel'Danas was badass.
CaptinMikey7 4 weeks ago
Monitor factions like servers. Give free faction changes when theres 10 alliance to every 1 horde. Fixed it. :)
valleyofthedark 4 weeks ago
i like how he only uses rogues when describing ganking...because the typical stereotype of a rogue is AN ASSH*LE
ThaNZGamer 4 weeks ago 23
@ThaNZGamer Last time I checked Druids Mages and Hunters all have a type of stealth, so do night elves, but yea I agree rouges are asses
Zorthaify 3 weeks ago
PVP is all i do in wow, as soon as i hit 85 i start gearing for pvp. because pvp is always differnt and pvp takes skill and teamwork to beat the enemy, raiding requires alot less skill, and now days almost no skill because blizzard is making it easyier and easyier and people just search the fight on the net and suddenly know exactly what will happen every single time.
ThaNZGamer 4 weeks ago
go go tiny tower!
audiosnorkel 4 weeks ago
World bosses, have it drop loot/gold/other things that make the kill/effort WELL worth it so that everyone shows up.
XG0DZPUR3X 4 weeks ago
I totally just mined that herb!
parker91w 4 weeks ago
Also, checking Lore's stats on armory, he has few to no world kills, given that he pre-dates vanilla, he has little to no victories in WG. You're not a world PvP player. World PvP isn't epic TM vs SS. It's someone in Northrend saying in chat "Globalwarmer and some rogue are ganking" and some other folks showing up to fight. THAT is world PvP.
keelygodwin 4 weeks ago
@keelygodwin He has been playing his paladin since BC, when World pvp pretty much died. He played his priest in vanilla.
JamesTheBurke 4 weeks ago
@JamesTheBurke which indicates his knowledge of current world pvp is lacking
keelygodwin 4 weeks ago
@JamesTheBurke and world pvp did not die with BC. It was alive and well, just no longer huge 'epic battles' in Hillsbrad: it was skirmishes all over the world
keelygodwin 4 weeks ago
@keelygodwin or maybe I have very few world kills on my paladin is because a) I have 6 level 85s, and I only play my Paladin for raids, and b) the situation you describe is extremely rare.
devomorph 3 weeks ago
@devomorph it has been lately for me because I haven't been on in a while, but it was not extremely rare. It was actually very common for a long time through WoTLK and some of Cataclysm. I have 8 level 85s, and got 6k of my 13k kills on my pally in exactly that way (as world kills, primarily in 5 or 6 man skirmishes). Just saying world PvP isn't JUST about big epic battles.
keelygodwin 3 weeks ago
i miss oldschool wow :'( wouldn't be playing SWTOR now
elementstreetskate 4 weeks ago
How about random realm events, which points out a zone which have to be defended/taken, and the winner faction/group will control the area for a while, and will be able to get stuff from there, which is only available for them, if they successfully capture the area/city/zone. Like Halaa, but not only a city but whole areas and cities.
M00nDanCR 4 weeks ago
world pvp is not big zone battle grounds. It's fighting in the world. Ganking is not world pvp and there are no rewards for doing it other than "pride." People who "hate" world pvp are people who don't really participate. I does NOT have to be a big epic battle, it can be 2 or 3 on 2 or 3 others. People either like it or don't, that's just the way the game is designed. Was it more fun in the Dun Niffelem area? Yes. Does it mean it all sucks now? no. Get over it.
keelygodwin 4 weeks ago
what if people that don't like pvp want the rewards? If the pvp is limited to pvp servers then fine, but how is this different than tol barad?
GerlockArgentDawnUS 4 weeks ago
Mined an herb? Did you pick an ore node?
TheKillerklownz 4 weeks ago
Tiny Tower FTW.
DrewTRP 4 weeks ago
We're going to put together a raid to do this pvp QUEST. =D. . . . Wait a minute
RoutineHavoc 4 weeks ago
why is murderface talking about pvp ?
Corthagath 4 weeks ago
Remove resil. Word pvp will happen.
IAmOutshine 4 weeks ago
Ganking lower levels... is a bigger tradition than hitting high school freshmans with paddles...
crashnshaman 4 weeks ago
consent = overrated
LovcraftianHorror 4 weeks ago
As for ganking: I think it could be fixed by making grey players unattackable. There's no real competition from a grey player and there's very little the grey player could do to annoy you (make quest mobs unattackable too).
gamerunknown 4 weeks ago
you mined a herb? lol
DisregardedGamers 4 weeks ago
i just want an av sized battleground(both size and number of players) and the game ends when like 500-600 people of one faction die...
Myfinalaccountname 4 weeks ago
ROFL an amazing intelligent statement: If you dont like being ganked dont play on a pvp-server.
HERPDERP cant your mind make that up by its own? thats like - well if you dont like spicy food, dont eat spicy food...
Are gamers really that low... in terms of IQ... these days? Outragious.
Nhordmyr 4 weeks ago
Ultima Online, "Guild War" system. One guild declares war on another guild, the other guild accepts decleration. Chaos/Order system. Great examples. Also, Asherons Call 2 did very well for me also. I played Dark Tide as it was dulling down after hero system/pre WoW. I have fights that I still remember, as well as remembering half the main PvP'rs character names. We had roughly 25 active pvp'rs with about 10 big names. Yes that translated into 1 fight every hour of running around. Loved it!
Bigcricket467 4 weeks ago
I actually disagree with your take on consent based world pvp. I think as long as your on the same level with about the same gear, regardless of whether the other is there for world pvp it's still interesting to get into a fight outside of fixed zone pvp.
EpicFlyingCat 4 weeks ago
wtf is up with ur hair dude
sived6969 4 weeks ago
Were you playing Dragon Vale?
Carlinistic 4 weeks ago
WooT!!! DAoC mention!!!!
blackeyedgamer 4 weeks ago
wife came home halfway through recording this
if you listen closely you can hear my dog flipping out :|
fwdracer1838 4 weeks ago
you need some WD-40 for you chair
BadHappyProjects 4 weeks ago
What i would like to see is a deathmatch zone that, regardless of faction, eveyone fights everyone. Also you could remove flying and limit it to 5 player groups only to make it more balanced. Also i love the show ^^.
FailShark 4 weeks ago
/watch?v=doTln-HDFQo&feature=related
averageanarchist 4 weeks ago
TM vs SS, Tyr's hand, Xroads, oh how i miss that...now wow is holding your dick from level 1
Pepeseinn 4 weeks ago
Lineage 2.. when it origionally released had some of the best world pvp, giant server wide castle seiges guild vs guild etc.. it really was awesome.. untill the hackers started running wild and gold farmers filled the streets.. but the idea was sound.. each week having an objective to win and hold...and defend... not like WG or TB.. more epic... something that is meaningful though...
evilakurei 4 weeks ago
take all the stuff from all the battlegrounds and current world pvp areas (Silithus, Grizzly, Halaa etc), and put them all into one.. taking over bases, bombing runs, siege engines, controlling nodes, tokens, daily quests, zone rankings, EVERYTHING.. and make like 20 new zones with all of that
wolfdogincanada 4 weeks ago
it makes me sad that soutshore and tarren mill are now just horde only :(
kbdemonbain 4 weeks ago
personally i don't think it can be done in a controled area like ilum. honestly i think world pvp can only work if its player generated JUST to go out and do it not doing it cause there is a reward but to just go out and meet the other faction and do it
kbdemonbain 4 weeks ago
That's awesome that you play LoL with viewers. I gotta catch your raids sometime, I've been meaning to but I keep forgetting.
DemonstrativePronoun 4 weeks ago
9:55 Kind of like TB during the beginning of Cata
iFatalz 4 weeks ago
Dark age of Camelot! OMFG!!!, Dude that game is a decent one to start if you've never played it so great to hear you know of it Lore :)
ProProductionzGaming 4 weeks ago
6:18 mined this herb?? definitely going to try that!
Baltazar347 4 weeks ago 10
Why not mentioning Halaa in Nagrand, and the PvP objectives in Terokkar, Hellfire and Zangramarsh? Halaa gave access to patterns and mounts and vendors, while in Zangra you had access to a buff that increased your DPS by 5% (in dungeons, not sure if it worked in SSC) and a closer graveyard if you wipe, making corpserunning faster.
In Terokkar you got a rep bonus and could get fragments from the dungeons there which gave OK:ish items.
Ferdawoon 4 weeks ago
@Ferdawoon In short: What about a zone with a constant battle (just be PvP flagged near this flag. Not like in TB / WG or in Terokk where if you captured the flags it was yours for a couple of hours) where you get a buff that work inside a raid. 5% extra rep in Firelands? Not all would care, but make it enough of an incentive, while not making it completly mandatory, and you can have raiding guilds recruit PvPers to help keep the buff up while they raid.
Ferdawoon 4 weeks ago
@Ferdawoon Because I honestly forgot about them, because nobody ever actually PVP'ed there on any server I've played on :P
devomorph 4 weeks ago
the main thing i dont like about lore's ideas... fuck dailies
spankmealotus 4 weeks ago
a third faction in WoW.....That could be kind of interesting, though it would require a major reworking of the game.
Kamidake83 4 weeks ago
Go, like right now, and make a jobapplication for Blizzard Entertainment. Or you, my dear sweat Lore, are going to be very sorry. LY <3 no homo
Ivers3n 4 weeks ago
i quit wow for Star Wars... i just got bored of it .. log in headbut deathwing win get free loot walk away.... login go pvp listen to people on your side QQ he is OP that is OP BLAAAAa blizz unbalanced the game for a reason never going to chance QQ blaaaa get over it just quit wow and go Starwars wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more fun sorry QQ all u wnat but SW is killing off wow go chect the facts look at the subscribers SWTOR will be one of the factors that kills wow
Livingswow 4 weeks ago
I go by the motto, "If it's red, it's dead."
Dshockx 4 weeks ago
Y U ADVERTISE APPLE ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
EpicFlyingCat 4 weeks ago
I think you should work for blizzard NOW!
MrHurtcules 4 weeks ago
Lore, man.. you need a haircut!
ughh, that reminds me that I need one too.
13f07i19l91o 4 weeks ago
Woah Lore that note at the end of the video was really difficult to read, I had to FRAPs it and edit it with Sony Vegas to pause it at the precise moment...
dgdr1991 4 weeks ago
just mack a new halaa with beater rewords and boom u got good world pvp
digzmacfree 4 weeks ago
To elaborate on the gaurds being nerfed, I have to agree. Why is it if we are Azeroths Saviours, that a guard can two shot us while deathwing explodes into confetti again and again, week after week.
a24ofSleeman 4 weeks ago
guard have to stay same strengh as max level player!we had easy npc in in vanilla and it cause all kind of issue!but you are right there should be same number of guard as there are foe player!so there are 2 horde there should be 2 allie guard there is 25 allie there should be 25 horde guard!
drbaltazar 4 weeks ago
I don't understand the problem here. Isn't world PvP automatically consentual by virtue of everyone involved choosing to play on a PvP server instead of one of the equally viable PvE servers (or activating their PvP flag if on PvE servers)?
MrCattlehunter 4 weeks ago in playlist The Weekly Marmot & PST
If I said to you "Drink this glass of water" and you don't want it, I could either force you or I could feed you with cookies or salty stuff, which makes you WANT the water...
Ghostcrusher887 4 weeks ago
if you dont like being ganked dont play on pvp servers
enough said
xxcrazykeithxx 4 weeks ago 35
@xxcrazykeithxx If you do gank, you're a douchebag.
Enough said.
EpicFlyingCat 4 weeks ago
@xxcrazykeithxx If you like being ganked you're a fucking idiot.
If you want the possibility of ganking and can deal with being ganked, THEN you play on a pvp server. Dying isn't fun. Losing isn't fun.
If anyone can honestly tell me otherwise they're playing the wrong genre.
darthruneis 4 weeks ago
Would it be too difficult for blizzard to have a system where it senses the number of opposing faction players and makes the appropriate amount of guards active and/or spawns more to keep it intense?
dirtbagstatus 4 weeks ago
And PLEASE make the zone a no-flyingmount zone!
MrZilverray 4 weeks ago
You missed out one other major reason as to why world PvP is broken: The guards.
If, say, a horde meets an alliance, and begins attacking in say, Tol Barad, all the Ally player has to do is run back behind a line of guards and boom, the horde has been 2 shot and he's dead.
Nerf the guards + what Lore said = Better World PvP
TheKeelshing 4 weeks ago 25
@TheKeelshing And you don't think this doesn't work for horde? The horde guards are closer to the road and the barrier. Horde can run through the alliance barrier in TB and down to the Ally GY and camp.
blackeyedgamer 4 weeks ago
@TheKeelshing
Well also not having guards can be lame due to camping. I know faction imbalance in PvP would increase massively without any guards that pose a threat... but also guards in capital cities are massive nuisances for people doing achievements and exploring, especially solo or in small groups. As a healer, keeping me permanently in combat means my effectiveness is reduced by like half. Fewer than 5 players in an enemy city? Guard respawn times nerfed.
gamerunknown 4 weeks ago
the three faction idea is the best.as for open instanced world pvp it is a great idea i did dailys in rage of fireland daily and trust me it is one of the great achievement of blizzard .it is sad the incentive werent mandatory ,if they had just made it so that each time you want to access any pvp in the game you have to go do those dailies it would have been insanlly huge but like you said if you leave room for player to wiggle trou without effort they will go that path even if it is boring
drbaltazar 4 weeks ago
Ganking is a term used by people that cannot defend themselves and are interested in playing a game where world PvP doesn't exist. If questing in stranglethorn means you die every 30 minutes from a level 85, don't complain. It's war. If you don't think it's war, maybe you should read the name of the game. There's no reason Horde should freely allow Alliance to easily increase their ranks, and vice versa.
MrWadlo 4 weeks ago
alot of rogue hating here other classes gank too
Permamse3950 4 weeks ago
Ok, does anyone else hear the dog noises at 22:29 onwards?
MenduHunter 4 weeks ago
Don't you dare underestimate the hatred involved in node pvp!
Draconicrose 4 weeks ago
Then i mined this herb, really Lore xD 06:14
DaraakPvP 4 weeks ago
nobody needs world pvp now in games..Vanila is just nostalgic memory
ravlyks 4 weeks ago
is it just me or did he describe Illum when he was talking about what WoW should do with a PvP area. A large area with shared dailies that everyone get something out of for completing and you need to group up or be killed. How is that different then Illum? lol
7Uriel13 4 weeks ago
@7Uriel13 Illums PVP problem does not lie with the idea. Its the execution of that idea that is fucked.
Mrjesse451 4 weeks ago
Woohoo! Thank you for mentioning DAoC! If only we could get all WoW players to start playing DAoC.
bBoySofHands 4 weeks ago
@bBoySofHands Do you really want a second community to get decimated by retards?
Clezzykrunk 4 weeks ago
So i was thinking, what if you could actully conquer and take controle of cities and shit like that.
19Musse95 4 weeks ago
Remember when WoW was awesome . . . . BC !
YellowFender 4 weeks ago
i always try and read the secret messages now! Took me a while to get this weeks! hehe
TheDevotii 4 weeks ago
Seems like 'SOMEONE' got ganked xd
Timonator332 4 weeks ago
Aww, weak intro. You're still cool though.
jkazos 4 weeks ago
tiny tower sucks !!! :D
bucher99 4 weeks ago
solution, a monthly quest to kill (x) amount of enamy players of max level in the open world and gives a large amount of a reward.
RemnentOfThePast 4 weeks ago
@RemnentOfThePast that combined with an area that was the sort of 'go to place' for world pvp and thats actually a really good solution, maybe things like the area in the middle of nagrand
TheoIsASexGod 4 weeks ago
@RemnentOfThePast Which would cause massive ganking for 2-3 days out of each month and then nothing again.
jkazos 4 weeks ago
@RemnentOfThePast and put in a thing so the same guy only counts 1nce an hr so ppl dont just kill swap
jamieovcymmer 4 weeks ago
lol..he said mined the herb
finklepinkle 4 weeks ago
Meaningful world pvp would be best off as maybe control of a really important city?
Storhonta 4 weeks ago
@Storhonta Only if the game was designed around it. A PvE/PvP game should not FORCE people to PvP.
CantStopTheBox 4 weeks ago
tm vs ss was my high school....ahh the days were the bats flew in and i ganked one low level and within the hour the entire alliance and horde are fighting
will3450 4 weeks ago
A 3rd faction for WoW or even SWTOR would do the whole genre some good.
randomUnhold 4 weeks ago
FOR THOSE WONDERING at the end it says, wife came home halfway through recording this, if you listen closely you can hear my dog flipping out :| , god it toke me like 12 times to get it. lol
TitanbrolyGilneas 4 weeks ago
No Lore, congrats to the guy for mining a herb. That's amazing!
FurryJax 4 weeks ago
What about a guild vs guild cross realm battle system??
jtl41091 4 weeks ago
now i want buckets in ALL GAMES!
inkognito666 4 weeks ago
27:10
123TheBeat 4 weeks ago
27:11
123TheBeat 4 weeks ago
meaningful = consequences to the world
IEXxILEDI 4 weeks ago
World PvP is never going to be good in wow, never in the fucking ever.
fran13r 4 weeks ago
Wintergrasp was good ONCE they had fixed the balance. This did not happen until very very late in wolk, by then people had already made up their mind.
Wellsbread 4 weeks ago
now i want to fight over buckets..
EivKar 4 weeks ago
But some of us really liked Wintergrasp :(
ntzolev 4 weeks ago
i havent on in awhile.Dude get a haircut
horacrux 4 weeks ago
@horacrux youre like a Wierd All pre puberty
horacrux 4 weeks ago
the best world PvP if experienced was in TBC in the Isle of Queldanas(or what ever the name was, which had most of the dailies). There was always some battles going on, cause a small arean and alliance and horde both had their dailies there. I hope they could make an interesting daily questing zone (BH-isle was the dullies place on cata), where some PvP could happen, like in TBC
AccelusDominus 4 weeks ago
and LOL @ killing someone for a bucket
MrMandelorean 4 weeks ago
Lore, you obviously have Blizzard's attention. You should suggest another type of Isle of Quel Danas zone. Maybe adding it to cataclysm or MoP. I miss the grouping for dailies, It built teamwork and made you learn your class. Wintergrasp was severely imbalanced and terrible. Tol B worst BG ever.
MrMandelorean 4 weeks ago
He's just describing Tol Barad and Wintergrasp.
thekingsaidsomething 4 weeks ago
17:25 You got at text.
nuttypenut 4 weeks ago
large scale pvp... 40v40 no rez .. when your dead your dead ..last team standing wins..winner gets honor.. loser gets nil cause they died.. btw ganking is not pvp.. is a childs game with useful purpose(unless person being ganked asked for it..lol..)
jimmyt568 4 weeks ago in playlist The Weekly Marmot & PST
how many levels does your tiny tower have?? haha
imaql8 4 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
killing rogues and mining herbs is probably the best way to start your day.
MrWescar 4 weeks ago
killing rogues and mining herbs is probably the best way to start your day.
MrWescar 4 weeks ago
STAR WaRs Commercial on WoW video TRLololoLOLOLOL
Immabeastt04 4 weeks ago
Warhammers castle thingies was great gave the game alot of world pvp
k0rr3aeger 4 weeks ago
Wintergrasp was awesome, what are you smoking Lore
AshariaFabray 4 weeks ago
@AshariaFabray In what way was Wintergrasp awesome? Maybe it could have been awesome if factions were balanced, but I played Wintergrasp on 3 different realms and always one faction had way more players and was just smashing faces and with the player amount restriction it's just another BG
TheMrMorphling 4 weeks ago
When I gank you, it is not to be a jerk, it is to encourage you to level faster, its motivational =)
Abraxcookie 4 weeks ago
@Abraxcookie You sir have no life.
XxD0INWORKxX 4 weeks ago