As I've said before...it doesn't matter if it's Lennon...JFK...MLK...or RFK...did you ever notice that after high profile killings such as these..that the supposed killer is proclaimed a "lone nut"...is captured soon after...and the next thing you hear is.."case closed!"...
Chapman was staying at a very expensive hotel in NYC and had about $2000.00 on him when he was arrested. This video makes me think. Where did he get the money? I don't know, but 8 shots out of a revolver that only holds 5 bullets points to another shooter.
american government are corrupt killers who even kill their own people for a quick buck america has never been out of war they murder innocent families for oil-
Do a google search on Jose Perdomo and you'll find the real killer. Sean Lennon's quote is incredibly accurate and perceptive...most people haven't applied any real critical thought to the situation. It's the exact same scenario in all of these cases, do a little bit of reseach and think about what you're being told. These people aren't trying to hide what they've done, 9/11 would be one of the worst cover-ups if they were trying to hide it. They are arrogant and proud of their crimes.
@irishman05050505 None of the witnesses saw Perdomo shoot a gun. Many witnesses saw him kick the gun the Chapman put on the ground and they argued. Perdomo comes up because of the so-called Bay of Pigs connection. He usually is given the title of Chapman's CIA handler. I think Perdomo is a red herring.
...but after watching the Zapruder film there is no doubt he was hit from the front. Also, to validate a lone nut theory why muddy it up with other shooters on the scene and risk having witnesses?
It reminds me of the theories of JFK behind hit in back of head. The stills and drawings to back the theory of Oswald's bullet hitting Kennedy head. Yeah, if you read the so called experts explanations, you might believe his head went toward slightly then went back towards his seat...
The diagrams and drawings would give validity to your theory to people if they have not been to the Dakota because the drawings make the distances farther than it is. I have, as I'm sure you have been there to know the entranceway is pretty confined and tight.
If your theory is correct, the holes in windbreak caused by another gun would place the shooter next to Chapman. The witnesses did not see another person.
Granted, even if he was on sidewalk, by the time and stepped off curb and pulled gun and aimed, Lennon was still in front of windbreak. He would not have continued walking in driveway just to make a sharp right to enter office. The stray bullet going thru windbreak ricocheted and hit office window.
You do play fast and loose with facts here and I think the two gunmen theory is unsubstantiated. But one thing is for sure, beyond any doubt, that John Lennon was assassinated as part of a conspiracy involving the U.S government. Anybody who gains considerable power and influence while at the same time promoting a warless, peaceful co-existent future for the world is a direct threat to the enormously profitable war business the U.S government is running. It's not a crazy fringe conspiracy theor
@JoePesci3 A five shot revolver cannot shoot eight rounds. The bullet holes in the glass door and the office window alone show two gun positions. Remember, two bullets passed through Lennon, one lodged in his neck and the other was found in his leather jacket. And from where Chapman was standing and aiming he could not have shot the glass door or office window.
I'm not even gonna touch any multiple gunman theories. That would mean Perdomo and Hastings had knowledge of this. If Chapman was programmed and the perception was of a wacky fan why risk blowing that by including a professional on the scene?
Regardless, I agree there are too many inconsistent accounts of what happened and feel the investigation should be reopened and be able to see the autopsy results for ourselves.
Makes no sense. That would place the shots within 5 feet away (Which the reports stating there were no powder burns) Unless Chapman was standing on the 72nd street sidewalk away from archway, which he was not...
@RichRod66 Yes, he was standing on the sidewalk. The cab driver behind Lennon's limo saw Chapman take out the gun and crouch and fire from the sidewalk. Chapman himself said he was about 10 feet away. Plus, it must be understood that there were a lot of people walking or standing on the sidewalk at that time. A five shot revolver cannot shoot eight rounds. The bullet holes in the glass door and the office window alone show two gun positions.
Also, if there was a second gunman no doubt Jose Perdomo and Jay Hastings(Dakota doormen)would have known an intruder was there. What happened to these two gentlemen? As in past assassinations where conspiracy was involved, witnesses conveniently disappeared.
A second gunman? C'mon, witnesses please. That would mean the Dakota staff and Yoko had knowledge or was involved. I am sorry that is too far fetched. I have been to the Dakota many times and the space in the archway and driveway is really confined to even entertain that. With the number of bullets flying around how is it Yoko or Jose the doorman not hit by stray bullets?
@RichRod66 "really confined" - Exactly! From where Chapman was standing there is no way to have "at least three" bullet holes in the glass office door. That in and of itself shows more than one gunman. Re: Yoko - there are many who feel she was behind it, which to me is a completely far fetched idea. She was walking about fifteen feet ahead of John and besides, John was the target, not her or the doorman or the many other people on the sidewalk that night.
@orthiconghost Hi, From what I've heard this is the accounts as I understand it. If I am wrong please clarify. First, let's get rid of the diagrams showing positions of gunman and victim. It gives distorted perception of space and distance. Chapman was standing on the Dakata driveway curb, not on 72nd sidewalk, opposite guard station. The distance where chapman was standing and the windbreak leading to the office is roughly 15-20 feet. Lennon walked past Chapman looked at him and started.....
@orthiconghost ....walking faster, probally wondering why this weirdo was still waiting there. Chapman stepped off curb on to the Dakota driveway by then Lennon was in front of windbreak ready to open door. Five shots fired. One missed completely hit the glass. Two struck his upper left back and exited chest. Two more holes in glass. Two hit his shoulder, hitting bone. Trajectory went downward, one exiting stomach and ended up in his jacket. The other remained lodged inside him.....
@orthiconghost....This is consistent with Dr. Lynn finding seven wounds on Lennon and consistent with the three bullet holes found on winbreak glass. The only mystery where you can clear up for me is where was Yoko? She walked by Chapman first and by the time Lennon walked past she should have been inside doorway. Her and other accounts was she came in behind Lennon. If she was in front of him when shot she wouldve been hit by the exited and stray bullets. Was she standing beside the windbreak..
@RichRod66 I don't know where you got your information that Lennon was all the way up to the office door when the first shots rang out. Witnesses describe him as just below the archway, not at the door. Of course, having him at the door would account for the bullet holes in the glass door, but that's not what happened. Officer Spiro wrote that he saw "at least three" bullet holes in the door. Plus, there was a bullet hole in the office window.
...there is at least four bullets right there. Given where Chapman was witnessed as standing, it would impossible for him to have caused those bullet holes. so, again, Yoko was walking about fifteen feet ahead of him. When the shots rang out, she ran into the courtyard to hide. This is from the police report of her interview. Lennon was hit by four bullets. Two passed through him. Another found in his leather jacket & the fourth lodged in his neck. Too many bullets for a 5 shot gun.
orthiconghost he whole idea of the conspiracy is bull the whole idea there even is a conspiricy is bull Sean didnt say those things in that context mark chapman did kill him because he was scyco and these aholes are trying to cover for him by saying it wasnt his fault. WAKE UP THIS ISNT AN ACTION MOVIE THIS IS LIFE THIS IS LIKE THE 9/11 THEORIES ALTHOUGH THESE ARENT AS BAD THEBELIEVERS OF THIS THEORY ARENT AS SELFISH AND GERKY AND THIS THEORY IS SO FAKE IT BAIRLEY HAS ANY FOLLERER
@thegame3623 Sean's remarks are perfectly in context. Chapman did kill Lennon (too) and I'm not an asshole nor trying to cover for him. Chapman is also locked up in a prison for the sane. Any brief reading of the government's harassment of Lennon raises serious questions as does the number of bullets fired. There is also the question of why you feel the need to attack and dismiss the messenger rather than engage in a discussion.
@ orthiconghost you r just covering for Chapman and he deserves to be in an institution because dont u think its crazy if someone claimed a book that had nothing to do withJohn Lennon made someone kill him? so the goverment harrassed John they didnt like what he was doing but they had no reason to kill him. after the war ended john didntbug the goverment with the anti war movement and they both left eachother alone so the goverment didnt care anymore if the goverment wanted to...
@orthoconghost...kill him they wouldve killed him when he was doing the anti war movements and dont bs me that O IT WOULDVE BEEN TOO OBVIOUS DERPDERDER SHUT UP! I am so pissed in the conspiricy ur right i am attacking the bser i love john so much that i yell at (through text) anyone who is making excuses for that syco Mark. STOP BLAIMING EVERYONE ELESE AND FACE THE TRUTH THE GOVERMENT DOES DO BAD THINGS BUT DONT BLAME THEM FOR THINGS THEY DIDNT DO WHEN U CANT FIND AN ANSWER TO WHY..
@orthoconghost... they did it (like 9/11 the conspiricys that offend me and the people who lost loved ones) i dont understand why mark did it but im not being a whinney beyach aboot it! like u.
@orthiconghost go live in North Korea or the middle east (some places) where the goverment does offten kill people unlike the usa (alot of times) beaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awww our Liverpool lad didnt desrve this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love him soooo much bloody American nut case took this amazing talented guy away from us. Still here with us in the pool Johnny boy your presence is every where xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
@MusicWorksLA - yes, I know about room 1208 and that in England it was Dec. 9th when he was shot. I decided to leave out his and Yoko's interest in numerology to concentrate on my main points. The numerology aspect of his life alone would make an interesting documentary.
BTW, it was extraordinary timing that the shooting occurred at night, during Monday Night Football, when there would be only a few people on the street.
What in the world would the CIA do without their ever-trusty "lone nut"? Funny how the lone nut always kills people whom the CIA would love to see dead. Yet the BUSHES of the world, and their ilk, always keep chugging right along. GHW Bush and his entire clan should go the way of the Romanovs. What did old wimp once say? "If the American people knew what we had done, they would CHASE US DOWN THE STREET and lynch us." Chase you down the street, like fans used to chase the Beatles down the street?
Quote from Sean Lennon: "He was a counterculture revolutionary, and the government takes that kind of shit really seriously historically. He was dangerous to the government. If he had said, 'Bomb the White House tomorrow,' there would have been 10,000 people who would have done it. These pacifist revolutionaries are historically killed by the government. Anybody who thinks that Mark Chapman was just some crazy guy who killed my dad for his personal interests is insane, I think, or very naive."
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnndd only 4,000 fuckin views, doesn't surprise me. I'm tired of watching all of these videos of truth and yet they have few views. Meanwhile Justin Fuckin Beiber and his amazing music is racking up views by the hundreds of millions. At times like these I find it difficult to maintain my hope for society -____-
@ASGxZ Unlike Justin Beiber, the Orthicon Ghost doesn't have the resources to use google ads to publicize videos such as this one. Nor can we use the word "free" in every title. But, if people keep watching and sharing perhaps the word will get out.
@orthiconghost Really? I haven't seen that in video form--yet. Both Perdomo and World Vision lead directly to the CIA at a time Bush had taken the leadership of the CIA into exile in Houston (according to Russ Baker). This is the single best video I have seen produced on this subject--but it does beg for a second part. It seems to end in the middle. New York homicide detective Arthor O'Connor (?) suspected Chapman was programmed upon his first encounter--but Perdomo persuaded & prevailed.
@icarusinbrazil Thank you for kind remarks about the video. A quick check reveals more in print about the so-called Perdomo connection. I don't recall Det. O'Connor being persuaded by Perdomo. But, the actions down at the precinct are strange as well. The NYPD actually called Chapman's wife and allowed him to talk with her for several minutes, for example. And they considered the case "grounded" and did not conduct any real investigation. As far as Dakota employees go, what about Joseph Many?
@orthiconghost Many (and I may be spelling the name wrong, sorry) claimed to be in the Dakota basement when he heard the shots. He went up the service elevator, retrieved the gun, took it back downstairs to basement office and placed it in a desk drawer. Hmmm.
@orthiconghost Before you made that comment, I did not realize how accurate that NY police offer's original suspicions of Joseph Many may have been. Your comments--and some additional research-- elucidated me greatly. Do Part Two!
I don't get something. why would the doorman come out and ask chapman, "do you know what you just did?" wouldn't the doorman run away and call the police? wouldn't he be afraid that chapman might shoot him too, since he's an eyewitness? a normal person would have ran for his life.
is there a part 2 to this? there is a lot more to the conspiracy. watch the deadline live discussion, which has been uploaded to youtube, for more details.
everytime someone important is killed the killer has to be a fanatic. abraham lincoln, john f kennedy, martin luther king, john lennon etc. they were all killd by fanatics...
u want to shut the masses up when it comes to assassinations? just tell them it was a crazy fanatic.
I'd have to see a strict forensic examination of the gunshot pattern to buy "8-10" shots. I've seen Astucia's claim of the service entrance shooter. It could be true but I'd need more proof that Lennon didn't swing around before getting shot or that the bullets didn't go through him and make those bullet holes. More damning is Bresler's evidence of United Airlines ticket alteration. Also Chapman started showing interest in 'Catcher' in synch with Lennon's unannounced career resumption. (CIA)
@Exiles800 The preliminary autopsy report notes that 4 shots hit Lennon. 1 was found in his jacket, 1 in his neck, so 2 passed through plus 1 miss from Chapman's 5 shot revolver. Assuming he acted alone: there were at least 3 bullet holes in the glass office door and 1 in the office window. There's the math problem. That's 6 shots from a 5 shot gun. The New York Times also reported bullet holes in the building's structure. Thanks for pointing out the mysterious UA ticket alteration.
What makes me convinced CIA was involved is the fact the limousine didn't show up at 5pm. As Jesse Ventura noted, CIA keeps tabs on its targets. We know Lennon's apartment was bugged. People don't realize how out in the open this clue is. If Lennon was being targeted they knew Chapman was in place on the sidewalk. The pure sign of a CIA black op is the limo not showing up and forcing Lennon to walk out in front of Chapman. Too many people and distractions prevented the hypnotic command at 5pm.
Bresler pointed out something very interesting. In Aug 80 Chapman started taking unexplained interest in 'Catcher' exactly at the same time Lennon was making moves to restore his career. However Lennon hadn't informed anyone of his intentions at the time. So a disaffected Hawaiian maintenance man had no way to know this. Bresler interviewed those around Chapman. They said he showed no signs of psychosis. He then read Fawcett's 'One Day At A Time' which accented Lennon's lavish Dakota lifestyle.
Bresler speculates that Chapman's loaning of 'One Day At A Time' wasn't a coincidence and that after being psychologically primed his handlers pushed a book in front of him that accented what a 'Catcher'-like "phony" Lennon was. This "phony" business is important because it is what FBI also accented in their harassment of MLK. If you know gov't modus operandi they tend to repeat use of certain 'tools'. "Phonyness" is one of them. There's no signs of anyone else being considered by Chapman.
@Exiles800 Check out Mae Bressler's comments about psy-ops in Hawaii. It's also important to note that Chapman's favorite musician was Todd Rundgren and the Beatle albums found in his Honolulu apartment actually belonged to his wife. It's also very weird that the NYPD called Chapman's wife and then allowed him to speak with her.
@Exiles800 The FBI had sent out a memo in 1976 to discontinue constant spying on Lennon while he maintained a low profile, but if he engaged in activities outside the "scope of the intended purpose" of his stay in the US, spying would commence anew. I'm positive that the FBI was spying on Lennon at the time of his death. Your "too many people" comment is something I've seen before, however, when the Lennons returned later that night, there were quite a few people outside the Dakota.
@Fleshy91 Im sure u know the difference between the two but you only have to listen to their lyrics to see the difference. One talking about real issues affecting each and everyone of us and the other talking about self centred issues. Even if you listen to the majority of mainstream music you will hear a common theme among them all..Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Beyonce etc. IMO the music industry is on a lock down, the last rebel against the system we had was Tupac and look what happened to him.
@MrPragmatism Michael Jackson was actually the last true rebel of the music industry and, he, coincidentally died under mysterious circumstances like Lennon, Marley, Tupac, etc.
@TheFreeMentality Yes i agree, although i think Jackson was forced to play the party line throughout much of his life due to circumstances he couldnt control but towards the end of his life you could hear that he was becoming increasingly frustrated and began to speak out. These days the music industry is on such a lock down that they would never allow such a person who holds views like marley, lennon and tupac to rise to fame - its way too dangerous and theyve learnt from past "mistakes".
You're right, it was a conspiracy - elements of our Permanent Government wanted John out of the way as they ramped up their wars on Central America, greenlighted by Reagan's election. There's a lot more evidence beyond the bullet count. For more, visit ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com
Chapman was MKUltra. He was born in Fort Worth, Texas and his father was in the Air Force. The CIA was behind this. It's not a coincidence that the murder occurred one month before Reagan's inaugeration (veep, GHW Bush). The new administration was fearful that when Lennon was out in the public eye again, he would criticize their actions and influence the public. The prison psychiatrist needs to put Chapman under hypnosis, like Sirhan, and see if there's a 6 week period he can't remember.
Lennon defeats Nixon and the forces of evil.....finally wins the right to stay in the US...and lays low for appox 5 years.....then he enters the studio in 1980...puts out a new album....and goes public again...the fact that he was going to San Francisco to lead a food workers strike made the govt say..."Shit...not again!!!"...
@BeatleJim55 very concise! As posted before, the original cut ran over 15 minutes and included some of this very information. In fact, they were invited by Yoko's cousin who was one of the union organizers.
The week Lennon was murdered in 1980...he and Yoko were going to San Fran. to take part in a food workers strike...he was becoming political again....not what the govt wanted...
@orthiconghost its sad because you know johns not an idiot and he would of expected it. and you can just imagine what he was thinking when he saw the guy. or that he was scared. ya know.
@Trouterr I hope he didn't think the guy was going to shoot him. However, during research I discovered a couple of witness statements declaring that John had yelled after he was shot: "I'm shot! I'm shot!" as he went inside the Dakota.
@diegoadelgado Could be, could be. Since they had John under survellience (or maybe only the FBI did) they should have at leadt seen how it went down.
@ADAM79929 As a matter of fact, John, Yoko and Sean were planning on particpating in a strike demonstration in San Francisco the Friday of the week he was shot. They were going to support striking Asian dock workers against the multi-national conglomerate Kikkomann. The strike was led by Yoko's cousin, Shinya, who was part of the Weathermen back in the day. I guess that part was cut when we trimmed the running time under 15 minutes. The original running time of the documentary was 23 minutes.
@045781 Hmm. When I play it thru my external speakers it sounds fine. When I listen thru my headphones I can hear a slight buzz in the background. Is that what you're talking about? Thanks for the comments though!
@045781 We here at the Orthicon Ghost and our fans with knowledge of your comments do not have the problem of which you speak. Suggestions have been bounded about to help you with this audio problem but neither I nor any of the Orthicon brigade can come to your home to try and solve the problem. And I find it strange that you have no problem with the audio regarding any of the other 28 uploads to the Orthicon Ghost channel except for this documentary.
What I would like to know is how the authorities worked on Chapman to get him to do this. Also how they knew he was going to do it on that day so they had another gunman on site.
@ADAM79929 So would I! However, I can say that Chapman had taken a trip to NYC a few weeks before he helped shoot John Lennon. He was obviously being funded by outside sources. You can't do all that travelling on a minimum wages (1980) job as an unarmed condo security guard. When he was arrested, authorities found over $2,000 in a cash on him and he also owned an original Dali lithograph! Hmmmmmm.
I just see another ass ...trying to make money off the conspiracy bs thats spread like the JFK assasination........we can except a nut shooting a every day Joe ....but if its someone of fame ....its any different?.........alot of misquotes in this ........
Brilliantly executed documentary- and a compelling argument. I have always wanted to see your "second gunman theory" played out as I didn't really understand the argument- now I do! Time to interview MDC if he doesn't have a shiv sticking out of his neck yet...
As I've said before...it doesn't matter if it's Lennon...JFK...MLK...or RFK...did you ever notice that after high profile killings such as these..that the supposed killer is proclaimed a "lone nut"...is captured soon after...and the next thing you hear is.."case closed!"...
beatlejim64 2 days ago
Chapman was staying at a very expensive hotel in NYC and had about $2000.00 on him when he was arrested. This video makes me think. Where did he get the money? I don't know, but 8 shots out of a revolver that only holds 5 bullets points to another shooter.
waterhead001 1 week ago
american government are corrupt killers who even kill their own people for a quick buck america has never been out of war they murder innocent families for oil-
james7167 1 week ago
Do a google search on Jose Perdomo and you'll find the real killer. Sean Lennon's quote is incredibly accurate and perceptive...most people haven't applied any real critical thought to the situation. It's the exact same scenario in all of these cases, do a little bit of reseach and think about what you're being told. These people aren't trying to hide what they've done, 9/11 would be one of the worst cover-ups if they were trying to hide it. They are arrogant and proud of their crimes.
irishman05050505 2 weeks ago
@irishman05050505 WOW! I just looked it up.
waterhead001 5 days ago
@irishman05050505 None of the witnesses saw Perdomo shoot a gun. Many witnesses saw him kick the gun the Chapman put on the ground and they argued. Perdomo comes up because of the so-called Bay of Pigs connection. He usually is given the title of Chapman's CIA handler. I think Perdomo is a red herring.
orthiconghost 3 days ago
...but after watching the Zapruder film there is no doubt he was hit from the front. Also, to validate a lone nut theory why muddy it up with other shooters on the scene and risk having witnesses?
RichRod66 1 month ago
It reminds me of the theories of JFK behind hit in back of head. The stills and drawings to back the theory of Oswald's bullet hitting Kennedy head. Yeah, if you read the so called experts explanations, you might believe his head went toward slightly then went back towards his seat...
RichRod66 1 month ago
The diagrams and drawings would give validity to your theory to people if they have not been to the Dakota because the drawings make the distances farther than it is. I have, as I'm sure you have been there to know the entranceway is pretty confined and tight.
RichRod66 1 month ago
If your theory is correct, the holes in windbreak caused by another gun would place the shooter next to Chapman. The witnesses did not see another person.
RichRod66 1 month ago
Granted, even if he was on sidewalk, by the time and stepped off curb and pulled gun and aimed, Lennon was still in front of windbreak. He would not have continued walking in driveway just to make a sharp right to enter office. The stray bullet going thru windbreak ricocheted and hit office window.
RichRod66 1 month ago
You do play fast and loose with facts here and I think the two gunmen theory is unsubstantiated. But one thing is for sure, beyond any doubt, that John Lennon was assassinated as part of a conspiracy involving the U.S government. Anybody who gains considerable power and influence while at the same time promoting a warless, peaceful co-existent future for the world is a direct threat to the enormously profitable war business the U.S government is running. It's not a crazy fringe conspiracy theor
JoePesci3 1 month ago 4
@JoePesci3 A five shot revolver cannot shoot eight rounds. The bullet holes in the glass door and the office window alone show two gun positions. Remember, two bullets passed through Lennon, one lodged in his neck and the other was found in his leather jacket. And from where Chapman was standing and aiming he could not have shot the glass door or office window.
orthiconghost 1 month ago 2
MI5 wanted Lennon dead because of his support of the IRA.
mpjgbx 1 month ago
I'm not even gonna touch any multiple gunman theories. That would mean Perdomo and Hastings had knowledge of this. If Chapman was programmed and the perception was of a wacky fan why risk blowing that by including a professional on the scene?
RichRod66 1 month ago
Regardless, I agree there are too many inconsistent accounts of what happened and feel the investigation should be reopened and be able to see the autopsy results for ourselves.
RichRod66 1 month ago
Makes no sense. That would place the shots within 5 feet away (Which the reports stating there were no powder burns) Unless Chapman was standing on the 72nd street sidewalk away from archway, which he was not...
RichRod66 1 month ago
@RichRod66 Yes, he was standing on the sidewalk. The cab driver behind Lennon's limo saw Chapman take out the gun and crouch and fire from the sidewalk. Chapman himself said he was about 10 feet away. Plus, it must be understood that there were a lot of people walking or standing on the sidewalk at that time. A five shot revolver cannot shoot eight rounds. The bullet holes in the glass door and the office window alone show two gun positions.
orthiconghost 1 month ago
Also, if there was a second gunman no doubt Jose Perdomo and Jay Hastings(Dakota doormen)would have known an intruder was there. What happened to these two gentlemen? As in past assassinations where conspiracy was involved, witnesses conveniently disappeared.
RichRod66 2 months ago
A second gunman? C'mon, witnesses please. That would mean the Dakota staff and Yoko had knowledge or was involved. I am sorry that is too far fetched. I have been to the Dakota many times and the space in the archway and driveway is really confined to even entertain that. With the number of bullets flying around how is it Yoko or Jose the doorman not hit by stray bullets?
RichRod66 2 months ago
@RichRod66 "really confined" - Exactly! From where Chapman was standing there is no way to have "at least three" bullet holes in the glass office door. That in and of itself shows more than one gunman. Re: Yoko - there are many who feel she was behind it, which to me is a completely far fetched idea. She was walking about fifteen feet ahead of John and besides, John was the target, not her or the doorman or the many other people on the sidewalk that night.
orthiconghost 2 months ago
@orthiconghost Hi, From what I've heard this is the accounts as I understand it. If I am wrong please clarify. First, let's get rid of the diagrams showing positions of gunman and victim. It gives distorted perception of space and distance. Chapman was standing on the Dakata driveway curb, not on 72nd sidewalk, opposite guard station. The distance where chapman was standing and the windbreak leading to the office is roughly 15-20 feet. Lennon walked past Chapman looked at him and started.....
RichRod66 2 months ago
@orthiconghost ....walking faster, probally wondering why this weirdo was still waiting there. Chapman stepped off curb on to the Dakota driveway by then Lennon was in front of windbreak ready to open door. Five shots fired. One missed completely hit the glass. Two struck his upper left back and exited chest. Two more holes in glass. Two hit his shoulder, hitting bone. Trajectory went downward, one exiting stomach and ended up in his jacket. The other remained lodged inside him.....
RichRod66 2 months ago
@orthiconghost....This is consistent with Dr. Lynn finding seven wounds on Lennon and consistent with the three bullet holes found on winbreak glass. The only mystery where you can clear up for me is where was Yoko? She walked by Chapman first and by the time Lennon walked past she should have been inside doorway. Her and other accounts was she came in behind Lennon. If she was in front of him when shot she wouldve been hit by the exited and stray bullets. Was she standing beside the windbreak..
RichRod66 2 months ago
@RichRod66 I don't know where you got your information that Lennon was all the way up to the office door when the first shots rang out. Witnesses describe him as just below the archway, not at the door. Of course, having him at the door would account for the bullet holes in the glass door, but that's not what happened. Officer Spiro wrote that he saw "at least three" bullet holes in the door. Plus, there was a bullet hole in the office window.
orthiconghost 2 months ago
@orthiconghost ....beside windbreak waiting for Lennon to approach door to open for her? Thank you for your time.
RichRod66 2 months ago
...there is at least four bullets right there. Given where Chapman was witnessed as standing, it would impossible for him to have caused those bullet holes. so, again, Yoko was walking about fifteen feet ahead of him. When the shots rang out, she ran into the courtyard to hide. This is from the police report of her interview. Lennon was hit by four bullets. Two passed through him. Another found in his leather jacket & the fourth lodged in his neck. Too many bullets for a 5 shot gun.
orthiconghost 2 months ago
BS
thegame3623 2 months ago
@thegame3623 Exactly what is BS?
orthiconghost 2 months ago
orthiconghost he whole idea of the conspiracy is bull the whole idea there even is a conspiricy is bull Sean didnt say those things in that context mark chapman did kill him because he was scyco and these aholes are trying to cover for him by saying it wasnt his fault. WAKE UP THIS ISNT AN ACTION MOVIE THIS IS LIFE THIS IS LIKE THE 9/11 THEORIES ALTHOUGH THESE ARENT AS BAD THEBELIEVERS OF THIS THEORY ARENT AS SELFISH AND GERKY AND THIS THEORY IS SO FAKE IT BAIRLEY HAS ANY FOLLERER
thegame3623 2 months ago
@thegame3623 Sean's remarks are perfectly in context. Chapman did kill Lennon (too) and I'm not an asshole nor trying to cover for him. Chapman is also locked up in a prison for the sane. Any brief reading of the government's harassment of Lennon raises serious questions as does the number of bullets fired. There is also the question of why you feel the need to attack and dismiss the messenger rather than engage in a discussion.
orthiconghost 2 months ago
@ orthiconghost you r just covering for Chapman and he deserves to be in an institution because dont u think its crazy if someone claimed a book that had nothing to do withJohn Lennon made someone kill him? so the goverment harrassed John they didnt like what he was doing but they had no reason to kill him. after the war ended john didntbug the goverment with the anti war movement and they both left eachother alone so the goverment didnt care anymore if the goverment wanted to...
thegame3623 2 months ago
@orthoconghost...kill him they wouldve killed him when he was doing the anti war movements and dont bs me that O IT WOULDVE BEEN TOO OBVIOUS DERPDERDER SHUT UP! I am so pissed in the conspiricy ur right i am attacking the bser i love john so much that i yell at (through text) anyone who is making excuses for that syco Mark. STOP BLAIMING EVERYONE ELESE AND FACE THE TRUTH THE GOVERMENT DOES DO BAD THINGS BUT DONT BLAME THEM FOR THINGS THEY DIDNT DO WHEN U CANT FIND AN ANSWER TO WHY..
thegame3623 2 months ago
@orthoconghost... they did it (like 9/11 the conspiricys that offend me and the people who lost loved ones) i dont understand why mark did it but im not being a whinney beyach aboot it! like u.
suck it, that was the truth b slapping u.
thegame3623 2 months ago
@orthiconghost *FOLLOWERS
thegame3623 2 months ago
@thegame3623 if u hate the goverment so much than move already
thegame3623 2 months ago
@orthiconghost go live in North Korea or the middle east (some places) where the goverment does offten kill people unlike the usa (alot of times) beaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thegame3623 2 months ago
Good job.
AlpineMusicSchool 2 months ago
Actually, it wasn't in the best interest of the UNited States. It was in the best interest of Richard Nixon.
MrNatwill2 3 months ago
Awww our Liverpool lad didnt desrve this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love him soooo much bloody American nut case took this amazing talented guy away from us. Still here with us in the pool Johnny boy your presence is every where xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
kathrynleyden 3 months ago
National security?? What sort of cunts are running this show???
Hicks055 4 months ago
Great vid. U might want to add the Perdomo angle on the story. And outline exactly which witness said there was a 2nd gunman.
boobah1067 4 months ago
Fuck United States,Fuck Mark Shitman,JOHN LENNON IS THE ONE AND ONLY!!
lapsiquisarcaica1 4 months ago
@MusicWorksLA Woah that is crazy. 1 = Independence 2 = Easy-going (both reffering to John of course) 0 = Nothingness or DEATH 8 = Leader
WTF???
Pianoasis 5 months ago
@MusicWorksLA - yes, I know about room 1208 and that in England it was Dec. 9th when he was shot. I decided to leave out his and Yoko's interest in numerology to concentrate on my main points. The numerology aspect of his life alone would make an interesting documentary.
orthiconghost 6 months ago
If they can get JFK...RFK...and MLK....then getting John Lennon was no problem...
beatlejim64 6 months ago
Lennon forever!
JollyJimmyJohnston 6 months ago
Fuck America, they took this shit to far.
bluestormx4 6 months ago
@bluestormx4 yeah buddy, John should be alive now!
arcz10 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Johns intelligence was what The USA feared the most. They knew he would become a seriously influential figure.
arcz10 6 months ago 8
this was a fucking political murder, it was set up by Ronald Reagon, Richard Nixon and Stephen King. Mark David Chapman is just a pawn.
bluestormx4 6 months ago
BTW, it was extraordinary timing that the shooting occurred at night, during Monday Night Football, when there would be only a few people on the street.
LongLiveOx 7 months ago 4
@LongLiveOx thanks for the comments
orthiconghost 7 months ago
What in the world would the CIA do without their ever-trusty "lone nut"? Funny how the lone nut always kills people whom the CIA would love to see dead. Yet the BUSHES of the world, and their ilk, always keep chugging right along. GHW Bush and his entire clan should go the way of the Romanovs. What did old wimp once say? "If the American people knew what we had done, they would CHASE US DOWN THE STREET and lynch us." Chase you down the street, like fans used to chase the Beatles down the street?
LongLiveOx 7 months ago 2
Quote from Sean Lennon: "He was a counterculture revolutionary, and the government takes that kind of shit really seriously historically. He was dangerous to the government. If he had said, 'Bomb the White House tomorrow,' there would have been 10,000 people who would have done it. These pacifist revolutionaries are historically killed by the government. Anybody who thinks that Mark Chapman was just some crazy guy who killed my dad for his personal interests is insane, I think, or very naive."
LongLiveOx 7 months ago 2
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnndd only 4,000 fuckin views, doesn't surprise me. I'm tired of watching all of these videos of truth and yet they have few views. Meanwhile Justin Fuckin Beiber and his amazing music is racking up views by the hundreds of millions. At times like these I find it difficult to maintain my hope for society -____-
ASGxZ 8 months ago 10
@ASGxZ Unlike Justin Beiber, the Orthicon Ghost doesn't have the resources to use google ads to publicize videos such as this one. Nor can we use the word "free" in every title. But, if people keep watching and sharing perhaps the word will get out.
orthiconghost 8 months ago
Part 2 would be nice. The background of Jose Podermo would be a good start.
icarusinbrazil 8 months ago
@icarusinbrazil If we did a Part 2, there wouldn't be focus on Perdomo. It's ground that has been covered by others.
orthiconghost 8 months ago
@orthiconghost Really? I haven't seen that in video form--yet. Both Perdomo and World Vision lead directly to the CIA at a time Bush had taken the leadership of the CIA into exile in Houston (according to Russ Baker). This is the single best video I have seen produced on this subject--but it does beg for a second part. It seems to end in the middle. New York homicide detective Arthor O'Connor (?) suspected Chapman was programmed upon his first encounter--but Perdomo persuaded & prevailed.
icarusinbrazil 8 months ago
@icarusinbrazil Thank you for kind remarks about the video. A quick check reveals more in print about the so-called Perdomo connection. I don't recall Det. O'Connor being persuaded by Perdomo. But, the actions down at the precinct are strange as well. The NYPD actually called Chapman's wife and allowed him to talk with her for several minutes, for example. And they considered the case "grounded" and did not conduct any real investigation. As far as Dakota employees go, what about Joseph Many?
orthiconghost 8 months ago
@orthiconghost Many (and I may be spelling the name wrong, sorry) claimed to be in the Dakota basement when he heard the shots. He went up the service elevator, retrieved the gun, took it back downstairs to basement office and placed it in a desk drawer. Hmmm.
orthiconghost 8 months ago
@orthiconghost Before you made that comment, I did not realize how accurate that NY police offer's original suspicions of Joseph Many may have been. Your comments--and some additional research-- elucidated me greatly. Do Part Two!
icarusinbrazil 8 months ago
John Lennon made a pact with the devil.
Go to google and typr "john lennon mdc"
The best way to go is by MDC.
ivorbigonee 8 months ago
@ivorbigonee Classic disinformation.
orthiconghost 8 months ago
@orthiconghost yeh whatever
ivorbigonee 8 months ago
My theory is John Lennon was killed because he wanted to reveal that Paul is infact dead
Tukan777 9 months ago
I don't get something. why would the doorman come out and ask chapman, "do you know what you just did?" wouldn't the doorman run away and call the police? wouldn't he be afraid that chapman might shoot him too, since he's an eyewitness? a normal person would have ran for his life.
GlobalDating 9 months ago
@GlobalDating Some think the doorman was Chapman's "handler". He was witness to a murder; perhaps he was in shock.
orthiconghost 9 months ago
is there a part 2 to this? there is a lot more to the conspiracy. watch the deadline live discussion, which has been uploaded to youtube, for more details.
GlobalDating 9 months ago
@GlobalDating We have talked about a part two. No promises.
orthiconghost 9 months ago
everytime someone important is killed the killer has to be a fanatic. abraham lincoln, john f kennedy, martin luther king, john lennon etc. they were all killd by fanatics...
u want to shut the masses up when it comes to assassinations? just tell them it was a crazy fanatic.
khalilrabee 10 months ago
I'd have to see a strict forensic examination of the gunshot pattern to buy "8-10" shots. I've seen Astucia's claim of the service entrance shooter. It could be true but I'd need more proof that Lennon didn't swing around before getting shot or that the bullets didn't go through him and make those bullet holes. More damning is Bresler's evidence of United Airlines ticket alteration. Also Chapman started showing interest in 'Catcher' in synch with Lennon's unannounced career resumption. (CIA)
Exiles800 10 months ago
@Exiles800 The preliminary autopsy report notes that 4 shots hit Lennon. 1 was found in his jacket, 1 in his neck, so 2 passed through plus 1 miss from Chapman's 5 shot revolver. Assuming he acted alone: there were at least 3 bullet holes in the glass office door and 1 in the office window. There's the math problem. That's 6 shots from a 5 shot gun. The New York Times also reported bullet holes in the building's structure. Thanks for pointing out the mysterious UA ticket alteration.
orthiconghost 10 months ago
What makes me convinced CIA was involved is the fact the limousine didn't show up at 5pm. As Jesse Ventura noted, CIA keeps tabs on its targets. We know Lennon's apartment was bugged. People don't realize how out in the open this clue is. If Lennon was being targeted they knew Chapman was in place on the sidewalk. The pure sign of a CIA black op is the limo not showing up and forcing Lennon to walk out in front of Chapman. Too many people and distractions prevented the hypnotic command at 5pm.
Exiles800 10 months ago
Bresler pointed out something very interesting. In Aug 80 Chapman started taking unexplained interest in 'Catcher' exactly at the same time Lennon was making moves to restore his career. However Lennon hadn't informed anyone of his intentions at the time. So a disaffected Hawaiian maintenance man had no way to know this. Bresler interviewed those around Chapman. They said he showed no signs of psychosis. He then read Fawcett's 'One Day At A Time' which accented Lennon's lavish Dakota lifestyle.
Exiles800 10 months ago
Bresler speculates that Chapman's loaning of 'One Day At A Time' wasn't a coincidence and that after being psychologically primed his handlers pushed a book in front of him that accented what a 'Catcher'-like "phony" Lennon was. This "phony" business is important because it is what FBI also accented in their harassment of MLK. If you know gov't modus operandi they tend to repeat use of certain 'tools'. "Phonyness" is one of them. There's no signs of anyone else being considered by Chapman.
Exiles800 10 months ago
@Exiles800 Check out Mae Bressler's comments about psy-ops in Hawaii. It's also important to note that Chapman's favorite musician was Todd Rundgren and the Beatle albums found in his Honolulu apartment actually belonged to his wife. It's also very weird that the NYPD called Chapman's wife and then allowed him to speak with her.
orthiconghost 10 months ago
@Exiles800 The FBI had sent out a memo in 1976 to discontinue constant spying on Lennon while he maintained a low profile, but if he engaged in activities outside the "scope of the intended purpose" of his stay in the US, spying would commence anew. I'm positive that the FBI was spying on Lennon at the time of his death. Your "too many people" comment is something I've seen before, however, when the Lennons returned later that night, there were quite a few people outside the Dakota.
orthiconghost 10 months ago
Thanks to all for now over 3,000 views!
orthiconghost 10 months ago
John Lennon gets murdered and Justin Bieber is still allowed to run amok????
>:(
Fleshy91 10 months ago
@Fleshy91 Im sure u know the difference between the two but you only have to listen to their lyrics to see the difference. One talking about real issues affecting each and everyone of us and the other talking about self centred issues. Even if you listen to the majority of mainstream music you will hear a common theme among them all..Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, Beyonce etc. IMO the music industry is on a lock down, the last rebel against the system we had was Tupac and look what happened to him.
MrPragmatism 10 months ago
@MrPragmatism Nice observations! Couldn't agree more about Tupac - and Bieber will live as long as McCartney!
orthiconghost 10 months ago
@MrPragmatism Michael Jackson was actually the last true rebel of the music industry and, he, coincidentally died under mysterious circumstances like Lennon, Marley, Tupac, etc.
TheFreeMentality 5 months ago
@TheFreeMentality Yes i agree, although i think Jackson was forced to play the party line throughout much of his life due to circumstances he couldnt control but towards the end of his life you could hear that he was becoming increasingly frustrated and began to speak out. These days the music industry is on such a lock down that they would never allow such a person who holds views like marley, lennon and tupac to rise to fame - its way too dangerous and theyve learnt from past "mistakes".
MrPragmatism 5 months ago
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You're right, it was a conspiracy - elements of our Permanent Government wanted John out of the way as they ramped up their wars on Central America, greenlighted by Reagan's election. There's a lot more evidence beyond the bullet count. For more, visit ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com
ciakilledlennon 10 months ago
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Chapman was MKUltra. He was born in Fort Worth, Texas and his father was in the Air Force. The CIA was behind this. It's not a coincidence that the murder occurred one month before Reagan's inaugeration (veep, GHW Bush). The new administration was fearful that when Lennon was out in the public eye again, he would criticize their actions and influence the public. The prison psychiatrist needs to put Chapman under hypnosis, like Sirhan, and see if there's a 6 week period he can't remember.
LongLiveOx 11 months ago 2
Lennon defeats Nixon and the forces of evil.....finally wins the right to stay in the US...and lays low for appox 5 years.....then he enters the studio in 1980...puts out a new album....and goes public again...the fact that he was going to San Francisco to lead a food workers strike made the govt say..."Shit...not again!!!"...
BeatleJim55 1 year ago
@BeatleJim55 very concise! As posted before, the original cut ran over 15 minutes and included some of this very information. In fact, they were invited by Yoko's cousin who was one of the union organizers.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
The week Lennon was murdered in 1980...he and Yoko were going to San Fran. to take part in a food workers strike...he was becoming political again....not what the govt wanted...
BeatleJim55 1 year ago
he knew that guy was going to do something...
Trouterr 1 year ago
@Trouterr Agreed. He was walking faster after passing Chapman.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
@orthiconghost its sad because you know johns not an idiot and he would of expected it. and you can just imagine what he was thinking when he saw the guy. or that he was scared. ya know.
Trouterr 1 year ago
@Trouterr I hope he didn't think the guy was going to shoot him. However, during research I discovered a couple of witness statements declaring that John had yelled after he was shot: "I'm shot! I'm shot!" as he went inside the Dakota.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
the beatles influence me to this day and im only 16. they will liveforever..
Kraken2681994 1 year ago 4
to me this just ties in to the cia and their numerous asassinations of political leaders
diegoadelgado 1 year ago 4
@diegoadelgado Could be, could be. Since they had John under survellience (or maybe only the FBI did) they should have at leadt seen how it went down.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
Good stuff. Is there any more of this?
HenryClarson 1 year ago
@HenryClarson This is it...for now.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
John wasn't being political in 1980. He had just spent five years out of the limelight. Surely the government weren't still worried about him.
ADAM79929 1 year ago
@ADAM79929 As a matter of fact, John, Yoko and Sean were planning on particpating in a strike demonstration in San Francisco the Friday of the week he was shot. They were going to support striking Asian dock workers against the multi-national conglomerate Kikkomann. The strike was led by Yoko's cousin, Shinya, who was part of the Weathermen back in the day. I guess that part was cut when we trimmed the running time under 15 minutes. The original running time of the documentary was 23 minutes.
orthiconghost 1 year ago 2
@orthiconghost
Any way you could repost this video because the sound is not working.
045781 1 year ago
@045781 Suggest you check your connections. The narration is deliberately mixed to one channel.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
@orthiconghost
I did check my connections and everything else, the sound has static.
All the other videos have great sound.
Well anyway keep up the good work and if you could post another video, well that would be great.
045781 1 year ago
@045781 Hmm. When I play it thru my external speakers it sounds fine. When I listen thru my headphones I can hear a slight buzz in the background. Is that what you're talking about? Thanks for the comments though!
orthiconghost 1 year ago
@orthiconghost
What I hear is static like radio static and I need to put up the volume in order to hear the radio static.
I wish I could hear what you are saying because since it was 30yrs ago that Lennon died I have been doing some research into his assassination.
So if anyway you repost or set up a new video, because I may not be the only person having this audio problem. Thank you for your work.
045781 1 year ago
@orthiconghost
Also on your channel the sound is not working with regard to the Lennon Video.
All other videos on your channel work except the Lennon video.
045781 1 year ago
@045781 We here at the Orthicon Ghost and our fans with knowledge of your comments do not have the problem of which you speak. Suggestions have been bounded about to help you with this audio problem but neither I nor any of the Orthicon brigade can come to your home to try and solve the problem. And I find it strange that you have no problem with the audio regarding any of the other 28 uploads to the Orthicon Ghost channel except for this documentary.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
@orthiconghost
I will have a tech person that I know come to my home and check it out.
I will update you with results....
045781 1 year ago
What I would like to know is how the authorities worked on Chapman to get him to do this. Also how they knew he was going to do it on that day so they had another gunman on site.
ADAM79929 1 year ago
@ADAM79929 So would I! However, I can say that Chapman had taken a trip to NYC a few weeks before he helped shoot John Lennon. He was obviously being funded by outside sources. You can't do all that travelling on a minimum wages (1980) job as an unarmed condo security guard. When he was arrested, authorities found over $2,000 in a cash on him and he also owned an original Dali lithograph! Hmmmmmm.
orthiconghost 1 year ago 3
thanls for the reply ......have a happy holidays
RavenMadd9 1 year ago
I just see another ass ...trying to make money off the conspiracy bs thats spread like the JFK assasination........we can except a nut shooting a every day Joe ....but if its someone of fame ....its any different?.........alot of misquotes in this ........
RavenMadd9 1 year ago
@RavenMadd9 OH YES! We are making boatloads of money from this documentary. Apparently the ass is you for thinking in such absolutes.
orthiconghost 1 year ago
@RavenMadd9 I dont know why he wanted an autograph before killing him later, it seems fucked up.
moewishaw 1 year ago
Brilliantly executed documentary- and a compelling argument. I have always wanted to see your "second gunman theory" played out as I didn't really understand the argument- now I do! Time to interview MDC if he doesn't have a shiv sticking out of his neck yet...
phishmule 1 year ago
@phishmule Mr. MDC has been interviewed enough I'm afraid. He lies and lies. Glad the docu was clear and how about that 2nd unit photography?
orthiconghost 1 year ago