Sorry, but the guy seems like a jerk to me. Police may have acted a little too strongly, but his behavior brought it on himself. He also is one of the people involved with the Occupy Atlanta group that refused to let Congressman John Lewis speak to them, for some strange reason. This Joe Diaz appears to be a young loudmouth brat.
@pb1481 Yeah, he seems a bit annoying, but it's not illegal to be a jerk. The police obviously used excessive force in this situation. The officers should have asked for him to leave the scene and that everything was under control. Joe's treatment post arrest was also horrific. I'm not saying I like the guy, but we all have basic rights that we need to uphold. People's rights shouldn't be dished out to only those who you have commonality with.
yea but why not just give your id and avoid the trouble, unless you're a self righteous spoiled little bitch who can't handle being told what to do, going for your excuse not to get a job, aka liberal arts PhD, who wants to cause a scene rather than giving the homeless woman a sandwich and a fucking umbrella that would cost the same as his gay little beanie. Probably spent the $40 in his wallet on adderall and a latte from starbucks. This kid needs a reality check.
@titanex08 I have no interest to defend the kid's actions to you. But I would hesitate to draw the conclusion that getting a liberal arts (better stated as 'humanities') PhD is simply an excuse to not get a job. I would think that in most cases, a student gets a PhD to ultimately get a job... just like a doctor goes to med school to get a job and a lawyer goes to law school. It's just a diff sort of job - probably a professorship. Is education really a lessor pursuit than any other job?
@theosubuckeyes13 It's procedure to request identification in such situations (especially cases of obstruction). Fact is, both sides could have handled the situation better, especially the student, Diaz. While I maintain that the cops were too aggressive, I also admit Diaz did not confront them compassionately; if nothing else, his actions could easily be interpreted as antagonistic. Holding a cellphone in your hand while failing to comply with the police is usually seen as an act of aggression.
@theosubuckeyes13 And try to look at it from their POV: some kid comes waltzing in to your interrogation (even after being explicitly told not to enter that room), refuses to comply while whipping out his cellphone, and then tries to leave mid-conversation? I'm sure the cops also didn't appreciate that he was narrating for this video in the midst of all this. Now, I'm only presenting how the cops could have interpreted Diaz's actions. It doesn't represent what I think Diaz was trying to do.
@theosubuckeyes13 I do believe Diaz was trying to help the woman, but he went about it in a very bad way. The police retaliated with excessive aggression, but how Diaz confronted them was not going to help the situation (and remember, the cops were also trying to help the woman). I don't condemn Diaz for what he was trying to do, but he should have cooperated, and none of this would have happened. The cops may have been slightly out of turn, but Diaz was in the wrong.
@CJoMin That's all fair enough. I probably would be much more sympathetic to the student in this case and other cases like it, if only because of the power dynamic in play. Diaz did not have the option to push the cop against the wall, handcuff him, and drag him to jail. He clearly did not even have the option to walk away (that is, without performing other, probably simple, actions like showing his ID). I think cops in general have far, far too much latitude in their dealings with citizens.
@Haasenpad They (actually, I should say "we" since I was among the people who laughed) laughed b/c of his comment regarding militarism. We weren't laughing b/c he was being taken away. Perhaps you should know the entire story before accusing others of ignorance.
@brn2plasoccer11 After the arrest, the cops called over medics to check up on the intoxicated woman. When the medics arrived, they took the woman to the hospital.
Please understand this. The cops were NEVER trying to arrest her for public intoxication/trespassing or kick her out of the library; they were trying to help her and get her medical attention. The student interfered with their duties (obstruction, though it's not "obstruction of justice").
@CJoMin Hi, just because the medics took the woman to he hospital doesn't mean she needed medical attention. She is typical drunk, homeless woman that probably had no where to go, so she goes to the ED for a place to get warm and food.
Hanging out in a PUBLIC library is a common practice for these types, but I assume Joe Diaz still has the impression he can change the world, one homeless person at a time. I suggest if he really wants to help this woman, take her in his home.
@brn2plasoccer11 The natural routine of going to county jail and getting out through bailout. Naturally, he'll go to court, and I imagine he'll dispute the charge (he probably already has), but I don't know the date or his actual decision to plead guilty/not guilty since these are private matters.
Way to go for standing up for your right to record. This arrest was undoubtedly unlawful. They have no authority to arrest you for not giving your id. I REPEAT, THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO ARREST YOU FOR NOT GIVING YOUR ID. That is outside the scope of their authority. Please remember folks, it's the people who grant them their authority, their authority is not derived of themselves.
1. The student is guilty of obstruction (though not "obstruction of justice" as the cop says). He interfered with the cops' duties (this should be obvious).
2. You must present your Emory ID when asked to do so by an Emory official. Please read the Code of Conduct. Failure to do so is considered a misconduct, and you can get arrested for misconduct. Please read my post a few pages back regarding the question about identification.
@CJoMin No one questions you on the technicalities of the law. The student had a duty to present his ID upon request by an Emory official. But that does not establish that his ID was requested with good reason.
If the student interfered with the cops' duties, it would be obstruction, sure. And he arguably interfered - thus, obstruction. But there is a huge difference between making sure the woman was ok and jumping on the cops' backs or something of that nature. The former is easily excusable.
@diskman01 I am glad, however, that the uploader stood up for her right to record the police. I was actually in the background telling the cops the exact same thing when they told her she couldn't record. In fact, they brought me to the side the next afternoon to ask, in more detail, about the right to record them.
While it's regrettable that the police didn't know this from the get-go, I'm glad they tried to learn about it. I also used that opportunity to ask for a background/follow-up story.
This is where you are constitutionally authorized to defend yourself. The Police officers are detaining an individual who was not proven to commit any crime, 'obstruction of justice' was not explained and therefore has no merit. You cannot accuse anyone of an illegal activity without quantifying what they have done. The US Constitution, (highest law of the land) and 4th amendment protect against unreasonable searches and seizures.
BREAK THE COP'S FUCKING NOSE and walk away. Fuck the cops
Fucking retarded ass pigs, the poor schmuck had a full backpack and they were trying to cuff his arms around it saying "stop resisting"... Pigs are irrational and illogical, and any attempt to deal with them as if they were will only be seen as a challenge to their alpha male status and you will regret it. All the tards saying the pigs went "by the book"... these swine always act like it's illegal to videotape them TELLING people to take the camera out of their face as if ppl MUST stop recording
To all those talking about the students escalation by not showing his Identification papers I suggest you read: Kolender Vs Lawson US 352 ( 1983 ) and then also read Brown V. Texas, 443 U. S. 47 ( 1979 ). This man is not compelled to incriminate himself.
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The police asked nicely at first. This idiot escalated the situation out of control, not the police. If he had shown his ID as he was asked, they would have either let him go or asked him to leave the library for a while.
I applaud law enforcement here. They went by the book and removed what could have been a threat to the rest of the library. If you will not comply with law enforcement, what rules will you follow?
@Draconis91 Are you serious? You applaud their actions here. That has to be the single most idiotic statement I've ever read. They used force to arrest a peaceful student doing no harm to anyone. What part of this useless violence do you applaud?
As an Emory student, you must present your Emory ID to an Emory official when requested to do so. This is in the Code of Conduct (and the ID is not your property).
However, per Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, in a public (regular) setting, a cop can only ask for identification if he has reason to suspect you were/are/will be involved in criminal activity. Otherwise, you retain the right to deny a cop's request for your ID.
This is the true story (read the description). I can verify this, as I asked multiple officers involved the afternoon following this incident, and I received the same story (I was also there the entire time). For further evidence, I saw the medics arrive shortly after this student's arrest. I also posted the entire story several days ago on my facebook, and I emailed this uploader with the actual story, but I'm disappointed she ignored it.
I think this guy's real mistake is that, by approaching the police to ask if the woman was OK, he mistook them for civilized humans capable of holding a conversation, not paranoid and authoritarian jarheads.
@KOHkingdomofheaven You're blaming the victim of police ignorance and brutality? True, when the police mess with one, one should shut up. However, the young man did nothing wrong. And Pres. Carter will likely have something to say about it I'm sure as he's part of Emory Univ. These aren't police, they are goons.
@GrannyTenderstone break the rules, get punished. Grade school stuff. Private institution can make up its own rules in regards to homeless people. A student doesn't have override powers.
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@GrannyTenderstone You think he did nothing wrong? Would you go to a school with smelly bums in the library prolly not. I mean unless you want to pay 50,000+ for bums lol. And i guess you would go to the same school that didn't check id's.
@d2521915 you're an idiot. Nobody's gonna "fuck him behind bars." He's not going behind bars. He'll be put in a holding cell for a couple hours tops until bail is paid.
@emgorode Indeed, he he just fodder for the police to practice on violating our rights, and a source of making up deficits in various budgets through fines etc. that's the system and we THE 99% will change that, have no doubt.
Does anyone know why he would not show his I.D.? This would have all been avoided if he would have just smiled, said, "Oh, here it is, have a nice day," and moved on, no? I think the attitude that thinks "Ya, man, just like it would've been in the USSR" is exactly what got this kid in trouble. I do not approve of how he was treated, but I cannot help but see some immaturity on his part. After all, look what happened, because of his little show, he couldn't check on his friend.
@ShoobyBugger There might have been an element of immaturity, but I think it was more a case of his naivety in thinking that he could not seriously be arrested for such a ridiculous 'cause.' It seems as though he thought that if he simply walked away, there was no problem - there was no confrontation. He flashed his ID to the cops, as requested. Then he started backing away - he clearly did not want a fight. The cops then accosted him and forcefully arrested him - why? It was just absurd.
@theosubuckeyes13 I agree with most of what you said here, I think. He didn't think he'd be arrested. But the important difference is that I think the flash of the I.D. was slightly antagonistic, if not passive aggressive. It is exactly what a child would do in this situation. I'm sure it pushed the buttons of the cops, who acted immature as well, albeit in a different way. It was just like the bully/bullied on the playground--the bullied tried to keep some power, the bully used force.
It's true that the police CAN legally request to see ID... but that does not make that request appropriate to any particular situation. Shades of the USSR - when your papers can just be demanded without cause, without purpose, without reason.
What wasn't captured in the video was this: the cops in the background told the arrested student and his friend (the girl recording) to not go into that room; however, the PhD student obviously ignored them and interfered with the duties of the cops helping the intoxicated woman. This is obstruction, and the police could rightfully request identification.
Regardless, I do believe the cops were too aggressive when arresting him.
@CJoMin I understand all that. No one is questioning the cops' legal rights to request ID. They did have the 'right' -that's the point! But WHY would they want to see his ID? What could they possibly learn from it that would help? The kid wanted to make sure the woman was ok - that's noble regardless of what they told him to do or not to do. You're right - that's obstruction - but all that means is that the law is screwed up and the cops handled this situation unreasonably. Thus, the comparison.
Why did the police even need to see his ID in the first place? He wanted to make sure his friend was ok - nothing suspicious about that. He didn't produce his ID and started to walk away - he clearly was not confrontational and did not pose a threat, as many people seem to think. It is irrelevant that the police can legally demand your ID. They went looking for a confrontation - they pursued the student into the library. The cops instigated this whole ordeal. Wildly unnecessary and inappropriate
The police in Atlanta - as in many other U.S. cities today do not seem to take in pride in America's vaunted "freedoms" - perhaps someone should e-mail them a copy of the constitution or better yet connect them to someone who could explain it to them.
@sassykathy4641 perhaps you should consult with someone who can explain to you what the constitution does and does not cover. Your statement reeks of both self-righteousness and ignorance.
Clearly - not totally complying was not the smartest move of this kid - plus he should have seen it coming ( the arrest ) - but this is nothing compared to those 2 clowns cuffing his hands OVER his backpack. Has anyone commenting here even tried to put the hands behind their backs in a similar position - cos I can not get anywhere near that high...
@afpdpatterson Yes, I do. I hope this goes viral so the Nation can see this kid's acting skills. OK, OK, I'm sure it hurt a little. But the manly beard of irony should have helped absorb the pain.
@pbchococake The police aren't required to read a person his or her Miranda rights unless they are going to be interrogated. Hollywood perpetuates that myth by having police officers in TV shows and movies read Miranda rights as soon as a person is arrested.
Ineffectual liberal arts student gets frustrated at the futility of his studies, stages imaginary civil rights scene on college campus. Boring, histrionic, distracting.
@jcr610 30 year old unemployed dude sitting in his parent's basement eating cheetos and never doing anything useful in life. Boring, wasteful, and utterly useless.
Police are required to use force. The policeman said to show him his I.D. and he didn't. WTF is the cop suppose to do next? Beg? No. He had to use force. That's his fucking job.
@xaznharryx Police are not required to use force. They are required to respond appropriately. They are REQUIRED to read him his Miranda rights. Not once did they ask him to assume the position before attempting to cuff him. True, he likely would have declined, but that doesn't change that this was an inappropriate response.
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Really, guys? This is a big deal to you? The kid refused to show I.D. You consent to that when you enroll. Sure, they should've had him take his backpack off beforehand, but he put himself in this situation. The whole "fuck the police, they're the bad guy" attitude has got to stop. Not all police are bad people. These men were just doing their job reasonably.
@MtlGuitarist7 He showed his ID twice in the video. At around :37 and again at :42. It's what he's putting in and out of his pocket - he took it out and showed it, they mentioned it again so he took it out again. That's what we're objecting to - as well as the fact that there's an online post to go along with this.
@geneseo13 Mill also believed the reduction of pain and the promotion of pleasure were the sonum bonum. Mill would have found these officers conformity to be repulsive.
@Nintendude99 Yes, I know what is going on, American police brutality, in a mentally strain country where are a lot more shootings and gang killings then in the rest of the world. Hence why all Americans are psychopaths.
Communication is a two way street, and you got to realize these guys aren't always out there to be dicks. Sure some of them are, but that's not always the case. Instead what I see in the video tape and adding a little bit more context tells me one of two things. Either you a) intentionally created a situation or b) went in there assuming a certain scenario was playing out basically following your own strategic culture as an occupier, just as the police used their own strategic culture.
Then you along with the police officers would have figured out that she was heavily intoxicated and needed medical attention. You could have then given what first aid was needed until an ambulance arrived. With that caveat added in, I would have reacted similarly in the officer's shoes, just with a lighter touch. You were getting in the way of a serious situation of which you did not know about.
That said this is not a full military mindset. Had this been a military mindset, pressure would have been applied on your back forcing you to your knees, which either one of these guys easily could have done. Honestly, you should have addressed the situation that would have achieved your strategy- checking on your friend. You should have immediately identified as an Emory student and the son of a police officer. You would have won them over in a heartbeat.
However, where they were wrong was to not force you to remove your backpack, and instead handcuff your hands around it. Also your subsequent treatment in the county jail is something that I do not think meets normative ethical standards. That doesn't make sense from a practical point of view, and I would attribute that to them not giving a shit.
Joe, here's my assessment after watching this. You were OK until you didn't hand over your ID from a legal standpoint. That is a legitimate request, as any officer would have required to ensure your ID was not a counterfeit. However, you totally ruined your argument when you were arguing. Once they decide to take you down, you shouldn't argue, because that can be construed as resisting.
The fuck kind of people are in this world these days. It really pissed me off how all those students laughed at that man as he was exiting the building. HE WAS TRYIN TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT. People these fucking days. If we continue on growing like this, I'm not looking forward for my future and the generation after me.
THE POLICE WORK FOR US!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all police unions, fire all police officers that have abused there rights as police officers, and adjust the system for arresting people that have committed "crimes".
Fuck the POLICE!!! There is NO LAW that says you have to show them your ID. They really have no right to do anything to you, unless you are breaking a law. Problem is....90% of the Police don't even know the laws. Again, FUCK THE POLICE!
1:42 and 3:18 .... does he have a stuttering problem hahahaha, and who is he that he thinks he can just bring homeless people onto a school that ppl pay good money to go to
@aymengasem17 the people who PAY to go there decide, why do you think only ppl with a student id can access computers and get into certain buildings, its not supposed to be for the general public
@TextToMovies1 he didn't bring any homeless person onto a school, he merely wanted to see how his friend was doing when he saw that she seemed to be distressed.
That's stupid. He wasn't arrested for helping a homeless woman. He was being non-compliant and wouldn't show his ID to the officer, and then he touched the cop while blathering on about his friend. That's why he was arrested.
Let's all look at this objectively.Cops question homeless lady.Student sees this and without knowing a thing interjects himself into the situation.Homeless lady is plastered, loitering. Since student is interfering, cops ask for I.D. Student signed a form agreeing to this policy upon his enrollment, showing willingness to comply with rules he thought were acceptable. Student refuses to give his I.D. Cops issue warning. Student walks away.Cops make arrest. Fucking legit, regardless of ethics.
@KurtisMatthias "Fucking legit, regardless of ethics." This says it all. In this age people think there is a difference between what is legitimate and what is ethical. Does it bother anyone that peace officers have no scruples with using force for the pettiest offenses? Perhaps I'm imagining a way that never existed but I feel police in the past wouldn't have even considered this worthy of rolling their eyes over. How long do you want to keep lending these absurdities the aura of legitimacy?
Are you trying to say police in the past wouldn't arrest him? Because if you are your right they would have brought him to the alley beat him up to teach him a lesson and be on with it but people like you always trying to get the police in trouble for doing there job now have to arrest people. Also tell me you want to pay 50,000 a year and have like 30 bums in the place you want to go study. Do you people even think? lol
this guy is such a pussy. one second he thinks he's above the police officer, the next he's crying like a little bitch because "the cuffs are too tight" Grow up loser. If a cop asks to see your ID then show him the ID.
'I CANT FEEL MY LEFT HAND!!" :'( waaaaaaahhhh. Idiot
@atc5656 This is exactly the kind of "rule worship" that ignores context that I'm referring to. Why did they have to ask for his ID and try to intimidate him when all he originally did was ask if the woman they were detaining was ok? That makes absolutely no sense.
the absurdity of the rule worship and ignorance of individual rights in the replies is frightening. for neo-conservatives who seem to think that our individual rights are so important they are worth sacrificing almost everything for, you'd think that police overstepping their bounds would be even more vilified by them as it is by leftists. of course, these are people who take their morality from thrasymachus, so i suppose it's not all that surprising - just absolutely terrifying.
@KurtisMatthias Considering you claimed the First Amendment does not apply to civilians filming the police, I'm not sure that you are clear on the "issues" or "rights" that are actually involved here. Most of the comments read something like "the kid is a liberal intellectual douchebag, therefore he is in the wrong," which is (1) a fallacy and (2) says nothing about what actually happened in the video. The police have no justification for what they did, especially to a student in a library.
The libs is only for students & specific guests during finals, and since it's private property, it's trespassing. In his acct he says that she used to be in/around the library and using its resources, which means that she'd prob seen the notices about the special hours. As a student, this guy knew she was not, technically, allowed to be in the libs at the time. Therefore going over & having a camera ready could have been viewed as inflammatory action by the cops, hence their subsequent requests.
I think the most important thing to note about this whole thing is that, after they'd sorted out the mess with this troublemaker, THE HOMELESS WOMAN WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL because she was in a dangerous state of intoxication. She was NOT arrested, nor was she EVER in danger of "being sent outside in the cold rain." The title and description of this video are both gross misrepresentations of what actually happened. He was arrested for interfering with police activities and refusing to show ID.
@aStrayClay yes, but how could he have known that? And is it really that absurd that when someone sees a friend in a state that they interpret to be dangerous/painful etc. that they would go to help?
Joe (the student) walked up the police and asked what was going on and if his friend was okay. He was just checking. He walked away because he felt intimidated by the police, and why wouldn't he? Notice that the camerawoman was told TWICE that she wasn't allowed to film. that's a blatant LIE
@aStrayClay It's a blatant lie because police officers are told in training that filming the police is PROTECTED UNDER THE 1ST AMENDMENT.
0:38... take the camera out of my face?? She was more than several bodies away from him! What did the police officer have to hide? And so you say that it's ridiculous to feel unsafe around the police. Tell Joetavius Stafford that. Tell Kathryn Johnston that. Tell the dozens more whose stories don't get told.
@aStrayClay & why should he have to identify himself? He's CLEARLY an Emory student, not only that, but he was LEAVING the library, not going in. Futhermore, he never said, "put your hands behind your back I'm placing you under arrest," he never told him to get down, he never said put your hands where i can see him. He ATTACKED him. He took him, pushed him up against the wall and then pulled his arms one way and his body another while squeezing his wrists together in order to get the cuffs on
It was the police who needlessly escalated this situation. They knew he was a student and he was leaving the scene - they followed him. He was arrested (using excessive force) merely because he failed to comply with every whim of the police. You say he did not show ID, he did, he was then asked to hand it over and he turned around and left. He was taken into police custody and abused. All of these things should be considered, by decent human beings, as worthy of note.
It's not in your first amendment right, sweetheart. You videotaping someone does not fall under freedom of press,since you are not part of the press. And maybe this stuttering little drama nerd needs to stop trying to vilify police officers just to make a point for the occupy movement. People were watching and he put on a show. You can observe this type of behavior in just about every 13 year old in their rebellious phase. What are you rebelling against here, kiddo? Having to show your I.D.?
@KurtisMatthias Why would you correct someone if you don't know what you are talking about whatsoever? Videotaping public officers is most certainly within our right, and is protected by the first amendment just as the person says in the video. Try reading up on the Federal Court rulings such as SIMON GLIK v. CITY OF BOSTON before you make yourself look like an idiot.
@bergenz7 You're comparing this to Glik Vs. Boston? Here's how much of an idiot I am.
More to the point, if that is what the wiretapping statute requires, then it's flagrantly unconstitutional. Glik's attorney pointed to the First Circuit's 1999 ruling in Iacobucci v. Boulter. In that case, the court held that citizens have a First Amendment right to record the activities of public figures on public property.
@KurtisMatthias What is the press? I came here from Reddit, often called the "front page of the internet" and ive seen this story and video on many news blogs.
"This would be unheard of 30 years ago!". Really? Did everyone forget how crazy Police were 30 or 40 years ago? As if we moved on from Kent state and everything was glorious in the 80's and 90's? Stop trying to talk your way out of police compliance and follow their orders. If you don't, be prepared to be arrested. That might sound scary, but why would you assume you are going to get away with saying "NO" to the police because you think you're being treated unfairly?
he did show his ID. he just didn't hand it over.
498654 1 month ago 2
Sorry, but the guy seems like a jerk to me. Police may have acted a little too strongly, but his behavior brought it on himself. He also is one of the people involved with the Occupy Atlanta group that refused to let Congressman John Lewis speak to them, for some strange reason. This Joe Diaz appears to be a young loudmouth brat.
pb1481 2 months ago
@pb1481 Yeah, he seems a bit annoying, but it's not illegal to be a jerk. The police obviously used excessive force in this situation. The officers should have asked for him to leave the scene and that everything was under control. Joe's treatment post arrest was also horrific. I'm not saying I like the guy, but we all have basic rights that we need to uphold. People's rights shouldn't be dished out to only those who you have commonality with.
SaraEDunn 2 months ago
yea but why not just give your id and avoid the trouble, unless you're a self righteous spoiled little bitch who can't handle being told what to do, going for your excuse not to get a job, aka liberal arts PhD, who wants to cause a scene rather than giving the homeless woman a sandwich and a fucking umbrella that would cost the same as his gay little beanie. Probably spent the $40 in his wallet on adderall and a latte from starbucks. This kid needs a reality check.
titanex08 2 months ago 2
@titanex08 I have no interest to defend the kid's actions to you. But I would hesitate to draw the conclusion that getting a liberal arts (better stated as 'humanities') PhD is simply an excuse to not get a job. I would think that in most cases, a student gets a PhD to ultimately get a job... just like a doctor goes to med school to get a job and a lawyer goes to law school. It's just a diff sort of job - probably a professorship. Is education really a lessor pursuit than any other job?
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
@theosubuckeyes13 It's procedure to request identification in such situations (especially cases of obstruction). Fact is, both sides could have handled the situation better, especially the student, Diaz. While I maintain that the cops were too aggressive, I also admit Diaz did not confront them compassionately; if nothing else, his actions could easily be interpreted as antagonistic. Holding a cellphone in your hand while failing to comply with the police is usually seen as an act of aggression.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@theosubuckeyes13 And try to look at it from their POV: some kid comes waltzing in to your interrogation (even after being explicitly told not to enter that room), refuses to comply while whipping out his cellphone, and then tries to leave mid-conversation? I'm sure the cops also didn't appreciate that he was narrating for this video in the midst of all this. Now, I'm only presenting how the cops could have interpreted Diaz's actions. It doesn't represent what I think Diaz was trying to do.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@theosubuckeyes13 I do believe Diaz was trying to help the woman, but he went about it in a very bad way. The police retaliated with excessive aggression, but how Diaz confronted them was not going to help the situation (and remember, the cops were also trying to help the woman). I don't condemn Diaz for what he was trying to do, but he should have cooperated, and none of this would have happened. The cops may have been slightly out of turn, but Diaz was in the wrong.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@CJoMin That's all fair enough. I probably would be much more sympathetic to the student in this case and other cases like it, if only because of the power dynamic in play. Diaz did not have the option to push the cop against the wall, handcuff him, and drag him to jail. He clearly did not even have the option to walk away (that is, without performing other, probably simple, actions like showing his ID). I think cops in general have far, far too much latitude in their dealings with citizens.
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
did you also hear people laughing when they took him away in the end? disgusting aignorance
Haasenpad 2 months ago
@Haasenpad They (actually, I should say "we" since I was among the people who laughed) laughed b/c of his comment regarding militarism. We weren't laughing b/c he was being taken away. Perhaps you should know the entire story before accusing others of ignorance.
CJoMin 2 months ago
so...what happened after that?
brn2plasoccer11 2 months ago
@brn2plasoccer11 After the arrest, the cops called over medics to check up on the intoxicated woman. When the medics arrived, they took the woman to the hospital.
Please understand this. The cops were NEVER trying to arrest her for public intoxication/trespassing or kick her out of the library; they were trying to help her and get her medical attention. The student interfered with their duties (obstruction, though it's not "obstruction of justice").
CJoMin 2 months ago 4
@CJoMin Hi, just because the medics took the woman to he hospital doesn't mean she needed medical attention. She is typical drunk, homeless woman that probably had no where to go, so she goes to the ED for a place to get warm and food.
Hanging out in a PUBLIC library is a common practice for these types, but I assume Joe Diaz still has the impression he can change the world, one homeless person at a time. I suggest if he really wants to help this woman, take her in his home.
13thFlor 2 months ago
@CJoMin do you know what happened to the guy
brn2plasoccer11 2 months ago
@brn2plasoccer11 The natural routine of going to county jail and getting out through bailout. Naturally, he'll go to court, and I imagine he'll dispute the charge (he probably already has), but I don't know the date or his actual decision to plead guilty/not guilty since these are private matters.
CJoMin 2 months ago
Way to go for standing up for your right to record. This arrest was undoubtedly unlawful. They have no authority to arrest you for not giving your id. I REPEAT, THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO ARREST YOU FOR NOT GIVING YOUR ID. That is outside the scope of their authority. Please remember folks, it's the people who grant them their authority, their authority is not derived of themselves.
diskman01 2 months ago
@diskman01 Incorrect. This arrest is warranted.
1. The student is guilty of obstruction (though not "obstruction of justice" as the cop says). He interfered with the cops' duties (this should be obvious).
2. You must present your Emory ID when asked to do so by an Emory official. Please read the Code of Conduct. Failure to do so is considered a misconduct, and you can get arrested for misconduct. Please read my post a few pages back regarding the question about identification.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@CJoMin No one questions you on the technicalities of the law. The student had a duty to present his ID upon request by an Emory official. But that does not establish that his ID was requested with good reason.
If the student interfered with the cops' duties, it would be obstruction, sure. And he arguably interfered - thus, obstruction. But there is a huge difference between making sure the woman was ok and jumping on the cops' backs or something of that nature. The former is easily excusable.
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
@diskman01 I am glad, however, that the uploader stood up for her right to record the police. I was actually in the background telling the cops the exact same thing when they told her she couldn't record. In fact, they brought me to the side the next afternoon to ask, in more detail, about the right to record them.
While it's regrettable that the police didn't know this from the get-go, I'm glad they tried to learn about it. I also used that opportunity to ask for a background/follow-up story.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@ Dracula91, THE ONLY LAWS I OBSERVE ARE LAWS OF MORAL SUBSTANCE. FUCK THE REST. ACAB
81deadgame 2 months ago
when should you shoot a cop, Google it. its a great article. cops are overweight undereducated animals. NOTHING MORE.
81deadgame 2 months ago
This is where you are constitutionally authorized to defend yourself. The Police officers are detaining an individual who was not proven to commit any crime, 'obstruction of justice' was not explained and therefore has no merit. You cannot accuse anyone of an illegal activity without quantifying what they have done. The US Constitution, (highest law of the land) and 4th amendment protect against unreasonable searches and seizures.
BREAK THE COP'S FUCKING NOSE and walk away. Fuck the cops
Deepthought0045 2 months ago
This is what a police state looks like.
C00Ltuber 2 months ago
Fucking retarded ass pigs, the poor schmuck had a full backpack and they were trying to cuff his arms around it saying "stop resisting"... Pigs are irrational and illogical, and any attempt to deal with them as if they were will only be seen as a challenge to their alpha male status and you will regret it. All the tards saying the pigs went "by the book"... these swine always act like it's illegal to videotape them TELLING people to take the camera out of their face as if ppl MUST stop recording
ayguey100 2 months ago
To all those talking about the students escalation by not showing his Identification papers I suggest you read: Kolender Vs Lawson US 352 ( 1983 ) and then also read Brown V. Texas, 443 U. S. 47 ( 1979 ). This man is not compelled to incriminate himself.
wusstimmy 2 months ago
From oakland to greece, fuck the police.
MisterMacross 2 months ago
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The police asked nicely at first. This idiot escalated the situation out of control, not the police. If he had shown his ID as he was asked, they would have either let him go or asked him to leave the library for a while.
I applaud law enforcement here. They went by the book and removed what could have been a threat to the rest of the library. If you will not comply with law enforcement, what rules will you follow?
Draconis91 2 months ago
@Draconis91 Are you serious? You applaud their actions here. That has to be the single most idiotic statement I've ever read. They used force to arrest a peaceful student doing no harm to anyone. What part of this useless violence do you applaud?
sprindlsprok13 2 months ago
@Draconis91 So if they said get on your knees, close your eyes and suck that hose you'd do so with out question?
BRB, ordering a cop outfit.
CRACKERJACK762 2 months ago 2
@Draconis91 The only threat in this video was the police.
EllipsisTriangletrap 2 months ago
Regarding the ID problem.
As an Emory student, you must present your Emory ID to an Emory official when requested to do so. This is in the Code of Conduct (and the ID is not your property).
However, per Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, in a public (regular) setting, a cop can only ask for identification if he has reason to suspect you were/are/will be involved in criminal activity. Otherwise, you retain the right to deny a cop's request for your ID.
Hope this helps.
CJoMin 2 months ago 10
@CJoMin - to bad Emory University is a private college on completely private property and not in Nevada.
What a whiney bastard too.
AtlRacerBoyz 2 months ago
/watch?v=Y0ppp3Salco
This is the true story (read the description). I can verify this, as I asked multiple officers involved the afternoon following this incident, and I received the same story (I was also there the entire time). For further evidence, I saw the medics arrive shortly after this student's arrest. I also posted the entire story several days ago on my facebook, and I emailed this uploader with the actual story, but I'm disappointed she ignored it.
CJoMin 2 months ago 5
Search on YouTube for "An Open Message to Police & Military".
jibbityjab 2 months ago
America, the new Police State!!!
zionbehr 2 months ago
Where is the "land of the free"? I want to move there.
IBMeddling 2 months ago 2
All Americans should Google, 'Naomi Wolf, Fascist America, in 10 easy steps'.
Fascism is just around the corner.
6969dazzagazza 2 months ago
Show how people just don't want to follow the rules so they get arrested.
anthonydimattia 2 months ago
Somebody needs to forward this to Pres. Carter. He is part of Emory University and I'm sure he'd like to know about it. The fascists are here....
GrannyTenderstone 2 months ago
I think this guy's real mistake is that, by approaching the police to ask if the woman was OK, he mistook them for civilized humans capable of holding a conversation, not paranoid and authoritarian jarheads.
yaaaaaaaaaaaarghhh 2 months ago
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Kid doesnt quit bitching...
KOHkingdomofheaven 2 months ago
@KOHkingdomofheaven You're blaming the victim of police ignorance and brutality? True, when the police mess with one, one should shut up. However, the young man did nothing wrong. And Pres. Carter will likely have something to say about it I'm sure as he's part of Emory Univ. These aren't police, they are goons.
GrannyTenderstone 2 months ago
@GrannyTenderstone break the rules, get punished. Grade school stuff. Private institution can make up its own rules in regards to homeless people. A student doesn't have override powers.
KOHkingdomofheaven 2 months ago
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@GrannyTenderstone You think he did nothing wrong? Would you go to a school with smelly bums in the library prolly not. I mean unless you want to pay 50,000+ for bums lol. And i guess you would go to the same school that didn't check id's.
anthonydimattia 2 months ago
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If he thinks his wrists hurt wait until people fuck him behind bars.
d2521915 2 months ago
@d2521915 you're an idiot. Nobody's gonna "fuck him behind bars." He's not going behind bars. He'll be put in a holding cell for a couple hours tops until bail is paid.
emgorode 2 months ago
@emgorode Indeed, he he just fodder for the police to practice on violating our rights, and a source of making up deficits in various budgets through fines etc. that's the system and we THE 99% will change that, have no doubt.
GrannyTenderstone 2 months ago
Why do so many of the comments claim that he didn't show his ID? He clearly did, more than once.
PhilosophyandCulture 2 months ago
Does anyone know why he would not show his I.D.? This would have all been avoided if he would have just smiled, said, "Oh, here it is, have a nice day," and moved on, no? I think the attitude that thinks "Ya, man, just like it would've been in the USSR" is exactly what got this kid in trouble. I do not approve of how he was treated, but I cannot help but see some immaturity on his part. After all, look what happened, because of his little show, he couldn't check on his friend.
ShoobyBugger 2 months ago
@ShoobyBugger There might have been an element of immaturity, but I think it was more a case of his naivety in thinking that he could not seriously be arrested for such a ridiculous 'cause.' It seems as though he thought that if he simply walked away, there was no problem - there was no confrontation. He flashed his ID to the cops, as requested. Then he started backing away - he clearly did not want a fight. The cops then accosted him and forcefully arrested him - why? It was just absurd.
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
@theosubuckeyes13 I agree with most of what you said here, I think. He didn't think he'd be arrested. But the important difference is that I think the flash of the I.D. was slightly antagonistic, if not passive aggressive. It is exactly what a child would do in this situation. I'm sure it pushed the buttons of the cops, who acted immature as well, albeit in a different way. It was just like the bully/bullied on the playground--the bullied tried to keep some power, the bully used force.
ShoobyBugger 2 months ago
It's true that the police CAN legally request to see ID... but that does not make that request appropriate to any particular situation. Shades of the USSR - when your papers can just be demanded without cause, without purpose, without reason.
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago 2
@theosubuckeyes13 Inane comparison.
What wasn't captured in the video was this: the cops in the background told the arrested student and his friend (the girl recording) to not go into that room; however, the PhD student obviously ignored them and interfered with the duties of the cops helping the intoxicated woman. This is obstruction, and the police could rightfully request identification.
Regardless, I do believe the cops were too aggressive when arresting him.
CJoMin 2 months ago
@CJoMin I understand all that. No one is questioning the cops' legal rights to request ID. They did have the 'right' -that's the point! But WHY would they want to see his ID? What could they possibly learn from it that would help? The kid wanted to make sure the woman was ok - that's noble regardless of what they told him to do or not to do. You're right - that's obstruction - but all that means is that the law is screwed up and the cops handled this situation unreasonably. Thus, the comparison.
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
Why did the police even need to see his ID in the first place? He wanted to make sure his friend was ok - nothing suspicious about that. He didn't produce his ID and started to walk away - he clearly was not confrontational and did not pose a threat, as many people seem to think. It is irrelevant that the police can legally demand your ID. They went looking for a confrontation - they pursued the student into the library. The cops instigated this whole ordeal. Wildly unnecessary and inappropriate
theosubuckeyes13 2 months ago
The police in Atlanta - as in many other U.S. cities today do not seem to take in pride in America's vaunted "freedoms" - perhaps someone should e-mail them a copy of the constitution or better yet connect them to someone who could explain it to them.
sassykathy4641 2 months ago
@sassykathy4641 perhaps you should consult with someone who can explain to you what the constitution does and does not cover. Your statement reeks of both self-righteousness and ignorance.
MrLearnedHand 2 months ago
Clearly - not totally complying was not the smartest move of this kid - plus he should have seen it coming ( the arrest ) - but this is nothing compared to those 2 clowns cuffing his hands OVER his backpack. Has anyone commenting here even tried to put the hands behind their backs in a similar position - cos I can not get anywhere near that high...
2oldnot2 2 months ago
@2oldnot2 you know what's your problem? You are an ass kisser to the system
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MrLearnedHand 2 months ago
Does anyone kind of get the impression he was hamming it up because he knew it was being filmed?
afpdpatterson 2 months ago
@afpdpatterson Yes, I do. I hope this goes viral so the Nation can see this kid's acting skills. OK, OK, I'm sure it hurt a little. But the manly beard of irony should have helped absorb the pain.
ShoobyBugger 2 months ago
@pbchococake The police aren't required to read a person his or her Miranda rights unless they are going to be interrogated. Hollywood perpetuates that myth by having police officers in TV shows and movies read Miranda rights as soon as a person is arrested.
illstealyoujohanna 2 months ago
The clapping by all the kids in the library at the end shows how scared they were about the militarization of society.
Madden11Tips 2 months ago
Ineffectual liberal arts student gets frustrated at the futility of his studies, stages imaginary civil rights scene on college campus. Boring, histrionic, distracting.
jcr610 2 months ago
@jcr610 30 year old unemployed dude sitting in his parent's basement eating cheetos and never doing anything useful in life. Boring, wasteful, and utterly useless.
AmnesiaCane 2 months ago
@AmnesiaCane Est moi? Oh honey, you got me all wrong.
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robbynew100 2 months ago
Police are required to use force. The policeman said to show him his I.D. and he didn't. WTF is the cop suppose to do next? Beg? No. He had to use force. That's his fucking job.
xaznharryx 2 months ago
@xaznharryx Police are not required to use force. They are required to respond appropriately. They are REQUIRED to read him his Miranda rights. Not once did they ask him to assume the position before attempting to cuff him. True, he likely would have declined, but that doesn't change that this was an inappropriate response.
pbchococake 2 months ago
@xaznharryx even if a cop knocked the hell out of you for farting..... would you say it is his job?
DrShitandStank 2 months ago
@xaznharryx Actually, he did show his ID, at the very least at :37, and again at :42. He shows his damn ID. :/
StarfireandSakura 2 months ago
this guy fucking rules!!!
bossudude420 2 months ago
Owned
Hippiepis 2 months ago
I'm very confused about why they didn't take off the back pack anyway.
lilmisshawna 2 months ago
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Really, guys? This is a big deal to you? The kid refused to show I.D. You consent to that when you enroll. Sure, they should've had him take his backpack off beforehand, but he put himself in this situation. The whole "fuck the police, they're the bad guy" attitude has got to stop. Not all police are bad people. These men were just doing their job reasonably.
MtlGuitarist7 2 months ago
@MtlGuitarist7 He showed his ID twice in the video. At around :37 and again at :42. It's what he's putting in and out of his pocket - he took it out and showed it, they mentioned it again so he took it out again. That's what we're objecting to - as well as the fact that there's an online post to go along with this.
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joshuareagan 2 months ago
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Maybe you should keep your big ass bookbag and your big dumb brain focused on the books. What a moron.
ScholarforTruth 2 months ago
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FoxxNightingale 2 months ago
im not resisting my bookbag is huge lol
Fool1045 2 months ago 3
@dodgertheartful didn't say i was on anyone's side, which was the point of the quote.
geneseo13 2 months ago
@dodgerheartful- then obviously your best forum is to become a legislator.
geneseo13 2 months ago
@geneseo13 If only it were that simple! This will have to do for the moment.
dodgertheartful 2 months ago
All sides of an argument only contain half-truths.- my horrible paraphrasing of John Stuart Mill
geneseo13 2 months ago
@geneseo13 Mill also believed the reduction of pain and the promotion of pleasure were the sonum bonum. Mill would have found these officers conformity to be repulsive.
dodgertheartful 2 months ago
@Nintendude99 Yes, I know what is going on, American police brutality, in a mentally strain country where are a lot more shootings and gang killings then in the rest of the world. Hence why all Americans are psychopaths.
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KurtisMatthias 2 months ago
I know who you are and what you are about, I don't think it is A. Just food for thought on diffusing bad situations.
-Raz
geneseo13 2 months ago
Communication is a two way street, and you got to realize these guys aren't always out there to be dicks. Sure some of them are, but that's not always the case. Instead what I see in the video tape and adding a little bit more context tells me one of two things. Either you a) intentionally created a situation or b) went in there assuming a certain scenario was playing out basically following your own strategic culture as an occupier, just as the police used their own strategic culture.
geneseo13 2 months ago
Then you along with the police officers would have figured out that she was heavily intoxicated and needed medical attention. You could have then given what first aid was needed until an ambulance arrived. With that caveat added in, I would have reacted similarly in the officer's shoes, just with a lighter touch. You were getting in the way of a serious situation of which you did not know about.
geneseo13 2 months ago
That said this is not a full military mindset. Had this been a military mindset, pressure would have been applied on your back forcing you to your knees, which either one of these guys easily could have done. Honestly, you should have addressed the situation that would have achieved your strategy- checking on your friend. You should have immediately identified as an Emory student and the son of a police officer. You would have won them over in a heartbeat.
geneseo13 2 months ago 3
However, where they were wrong was to not force you to remove your backpack, and instead handcuff your hands around it. Also your subsequent treatment in the county jail is something that I do not think meets normative ethical standards. That doesn't make sense from a practical point of view, and I would attribute that to them not giving a shit.
geneseo13 2 months ago
Joe, here's my assessment after watching this. You were OK until you didn't hand over your ID from a legal standpoint. That is a legitimate request, as any officer would have required to ensure your ID was not a counterfeit. However, you totally ruined your argument when you were arguing. Once they decide to take you down, you shouldn't argue, because that can be construed as resisting.
geneseo13 2 months ago
What are the officers' names?
neilyvanneily 2 months ago
The fuck kind of people are in this world these days. It really pissed me off how all those students laughed at that man as he was exiting the building. HE WAS TRYIN TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT. People these fucking days. If we continue on growing like this, I'm not looking forward for my future and the generation after me.
h4loplaya 2 months ago
This shows how absurd police can be in the United States, god bless that I don't live anywhere near such stupid place.
Soret2 2 months ago
@Soret2 1.) You have no idea what's happening in this video do you?
2.) I'm sure there are no corrupt cops in any other part of the world besides America.
Dumbass.
Nintendude99 2 months ago
terrorism won.
webmastertool 2 months ago
whos police ? cops r from people ! that means ppl sucks .
oceanburank 2 months ago
what a bitch. just show your ID. all this happened because you didn't show your ID.
30fonzen 2 months ago 3
@30fonzen No, this all happened because an officer decided to arrest a most likely harmless kid for legally not complying with a request.
ktdlmnop 2 months ago 11
THE POLICE WORK FOR US!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all police unions, fire all police officers that have abused there rights as police officers, and adjust the system for arresting people that have committed "crimes".
Puz123CP 2 months ago
Fuck this country. It is turning into a police state.
bigtaterman 2 months ago
@cbfrese why is recording the police any different than recording anyone else. It was also legalized BTW, so ya, it is a right
MetalMusicAtheism 2 months ago
I don't drive so why would I have an ID?
DrGodfather14 2 months ago
@DrGodfather14 You WOULD have a STUDENT ID if you attended a PRIVATE UNIVERSITY you FUCKING DIPSHIT
pereiro16 2 months ago 3
@pereiro16 I never carry that shit with me
DrGodfather14 2 months ago
Fuck the POLICE!!! There is NO LAW that says you have to show them your ID. They really have no right to do anything to you, unless you are breaking a law. Problem is....90% of the Police don't even know the laws. Again, FUCK THE POLICE!
TheABKDEFG 2 months ago
@TheABKDEFG How about FUCK YOU. If you attend a PRIVATE UNIVERSITY they have the right to check your ID in any building on campus. You moron
pereiro16 2 months ago 4
0:41 didn't he show his I.D. right then? or was that something else.
xfireflarex 2 months ago
@xfireflarex no it was his ID.
94lukepl 2 months ago
are these officer's retarded? ho are they going to remove his backpack while he is handcuffed that way?
jojococoa 2 months ago
My bookbag is huge!!
pjaffe1 2 months ago
1:42 and 3:18 .... does he have a stuttering problem hahahaha, and who is he that he thinks he can just bring homeless people onto a school that ppl pay good money to go to
TextToMovies1 2 months ago
@TextToMovies1 who are you to decide who can and can not be at a university?
aymengasem17 2 months ago
@aymengasem17 the people who PAY to go there decide, why do you think only ppl with a student id can access computers and get into certain buildings, its not supposed to be for the general public
TextToMovies1 2 months ago
@TextToMovies1 he didn't bring any homeless person onto a school, he merely wanted to see how his friend was doing when he saw that she seemed to be distressed.
94lukepl 2 months ago
why the fuck did they want to see his ID in the first place though?
dp7319 2 months ago
Hippies....
TRiLLSiPPiN 2 months ago
That's stupid. He wasn't arrested for helping a homeless woman. He was being non-compliant and wouldn't show his ID to the officer, and then he touched the cop while blathering on about his friend. That's why he was arrested.
jacknixon78 2 months ago 3
@legendfruit1 you are required to STFU when i tell you to.... WHY ARN'T YOU!??!?!?!
Radialshifter 2 months ago
its actually not your right to recored the police
Cbfrese 2 months ago
his bookbag is huge...
benzur 2 months ago 2
Let's all look at this objectively.Cops question homeless lady.Student sees this and without knowing a thing interjects himself into the situation.Homeless lady is plastered, loitering. Since student is interfering, cops ask for I.D. Student signed a form agreeing to this policy upon his enrollment, showing willingness to comply with rules he thought were acceptable. Student refuses to give his I.D. Cops issue warning. Student walks away.Cops make arrest. Fucking legit, regardless of ethics.
KurtisMatthias 2 months ago 4
@KurtisMatthias "Fucking legit, regardless of ethics." This says it all. In this age people think there is a difference between what is legitimate and what is ethical. Does it bother anyone that peace officers have no scruples with using force for the pettiest offenses? Perhaps I'm imagining a way that never existed but I feel police in the past wouldn't have even considered this worthy of rolling their eyes over. How long do you want to keep lending these absurdities the aura of legitimacy?
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KurtisMatthias 2 months ago
Are you trying to say police in the past wouldn't arrest him? Because if you are your right they would have brought him to the alley beat him up to teach him a lesson and be on with it but people like you always trying to get the police in trouble for doing there job now have to arrest people. Also tell me you want to pay 50,000 a year and have like 30 bums in the place you want to go study. Do you people even think? lol
anthonydimattia 2 months ago
@KurtisMatthias You can't see the homeless lady a single time in the video.
zeroXXman 2 months ago
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@KurtisMatthias Yup! Every dumbass student wants to be a freedom fighter, and take on the cops.
I love it when they think they know the law.
LOVE IT EVEN MORE that bystanders were laughing at how stupid, and contrived his antics were.
"Occupy" is over, Dum-dum. You're too late to the party.
patientzero532 2 months ago
why not just give him the fucking ID?
SportsGooru 2 months ago
@SportsGooru Why not have a fucking backbone?
Radialshifter 2 months ago
haha this video is hilarious
rn0982 2 months ago
Turn your phone sideways.
Fredo5227 2 months ago
I bet you he's getting a phd in women's studies.
schustar322 2 months ago 2
this guy is such a pussy. one second he thinks he's above the police officer, the next he's crying like a little bitch because "the cuffs are too tight" Grow up loser. If a cop asks to see your ID then show him the ID.
'I CANT FEEL MY LEFT HAND!!" :'( waaaaaaahhhh. Idiot
tedtheshed 2 months ago
Gotta show that ID dude.
Tewcool2000 2 months ago
@atc5656 This is exactly the kind of "rule worship" that ignores context that I'm referring to. Why did they have to ask for his ID and try to intimidate him when all he originally did was ask if the woman they were detaining was ok? That makes absolutely no sense.
markdropdizzle 2 months ago
hahahahahahhahahahahaha
Kid sounds like a pussy. However, probably shouldnt have happened that way, but i dont think he was acting appropriately either
Stolo17 2 months ago 2
the absurdity of the rule worship and ignorance of individual rights in the replies is frightening. for neo-conservatives who seem to think that our individual rights are so important they are worth sacrificing almost everything for, you'd think that police overstepping their bounds would be even more vilified by them as it is by leftists. of course, these are people who take their morality from thrasymachus, so i suppose it's not all that surprising - just absolutely terrifying.
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@KurtisMatthias Considering you claimed the First Amendment does not apply to civilians filming the police, I'm not sure that you are clear on the "issues" or "rights" that are actually involved here. Most of the comments read something like "the kid is a liberal intellectual douchebag, therefore he is in the wrong," which is (1) a fallacy and (2) says nothing about what actually happened in the video. The police have no justification for what they did, especially to a student in a library.
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The libs is only for students & specific guests during finals, and since it's private property, it's trespassing. In his acct he says that she used to be in/around the library and using its resources, which means that she'd prob seen the notices about the special hours. As a student, this guy knew she was not, technically, allowed to be in the libs at the time. Therefore going over & having a camera ready could have been viewed as inflammatory action by the cops, hence their subsequent requests.
thenamescash 2 months ago
Douchebag grad student is a douchebag
schustar322 2 months ago 3
I think the most important thing to note about this whole thing is that, after they'd sorted out the mess with this troublemaker, THE HOMELESS WOMAN WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL because she was in a dangerous state of intoxication. She was NOT arrested, nor was she EVER in danger of "being sent outside in the cold rain." The title and description of this video are both gross misrepresentations of what actually happened. He was arrested for interfering with police activities and refusing to show ID.
aStrayClay 2 months ago 30
@aStrayClay yes, but how could he have known that? And is it really that absurd that when someone sees a friend in a state that they interpret to be dangerous/painful etc. that they would go to help?
Joe (the student) walked up the police and asked what was going on and if his friend was okay. He was just checking. He walked away because he felt intimidated by the police, and why wouldn't he? Notice that the camerawoman was told TWICE that she wasn't allowed to film. that's a blatant LIE
94lukepl 2 months ago
@aStrayClay It's a blatant lie because police officers are told in training that filming the police is PROTECTED UNDER THE 1ST AMENDMENT.
0:38... take the camera out of my face?? She was more than several bodies away from him! What did the police officer have to hide? And so you say that it's ridiculous to feel unsafe around the police. Tell Joetavius Stafford that. Tell Kathryn Johnston that. Tell the dozens more whose stories don't get told.
94lukepl 2 months ago
@aStrayClay & why should he have to identify himself? He's CLEARLY an Emory student, not only that, but he was LEAVING the library, not going in. Futhermore, he never said, "put your hands behind your back I'm placing you under arrest," he never told him to get down, he never said put your hands where i can see him. He ATTACKED him. He took him, pushed him up against the wall and then pulled his arms one way and his body another while squeezing his wrists together in order to get the cuffs on
94lukepl 2 months ago
@aStrayClay
It was the police who needlessly escalated this situation. They knew he was a student and he was leaving the scene - they followed him. He was arrested (using excessive force) merely because he failed to comply with every whim of the police. You say he did not show ID, he did, he was then asked to hand it over and he turned around and left. He was taken into police custody and abused. All of these things should be considered, by decent human beings, as worthy of note.
23discordians 2 months ago
Kid looks and sounds like an asshat to me kinda... :/
Donman5 2 months ago
He showed his ID to them before. dirtseyeview(d0t)wordpress(dot)com/
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KurtisMatthias 2 months ago
It's not in your first amendment right, sweetheart. You videotaping someone does not fall under freedom of press,since you are not part of the press. And maybe this stuttering little drama nerd needs to stop trying to vilify police officers just to make a point for the occupy movement. People were watching and he put on a show. You can observe this type of behavior in just about every 13 year old in their rebellious phase. What are you rebelling against here, kiddo? Having to show your I.D.?
KurtisMatthias 2 months ago
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bergenz7 2 months ago
@KurtisMatthias Why would you correct someone if you don't know what you are talking about whatsoever? Videotaping public officers is most certainly within our right, and is protected by the first amendment just as the person says in the video. Try reading up on the Federal Court rulings such as SIMON GLIK v. CITY OF BOSTON before you make yourself look like an idiot.
bergenz7 2 months ago
@bergenz7 You're comparing this to Glik Vs. Boston? Here's how much of an idiot I am.
More to the point, if that is what the wiretapping statute requires, then it's flagrantly unconstitutional. Glik's attorney pointed to the First Circuit's 1999 ruling in Iacobucci v. Boulter. In that case, the court held that citizens have a First Amendment right to record the activities of public figures on public property.
That library isn't public property..."idiot".
KurtisMatthias 2 months ago
@KurtisMatthias What is the press? I came here from Reddit, often called the "front page of the internet" and ive seen this story and video on many news blogs.
Radialshifter 2 months ago
"This would be unheard of 30 years ago!". Really? Did everyone forget how crazy Police were 30 or 40 years ago? As if we moved on from Kent state and everything was glorious in the 80's and 90's? Stop trying to talk your way out of police compliance and follow their orders. If you don't, be prepared to be arrested. That might sound scary, but why would you assume you are going to get away with saying "NO" to the police because you think you're being treated unfairly?
incubeous 2 months ago