@MegadethTestament Ну, ну, нет причин кричать. Очевидно, вы можете понять, до такой степени, что я говорю, так в чем проблема?Единственная проблема, я вижу здесь ваш темперамент. ЦК, ЦК, должны получить, что под контролем.
@therealbigboss12345 Incomplete, yes, but its undeniable that these themes are the same song. I like the MGS theme more because it added some notes and is faster paced but this is shockingly close so its undeniable that this is plagiarism. Maybe subconscious but still plagiarism.
Snake = Snake Plissken Big Boss = Sean Connery Ocelot = Lee Van Cleef (same movie as Snake Plissken...) Metal Gear cover = Terminator/Kyle Reese Theme = Sviridov Peacewalker theme = Kameo's Hero theme (same guy who led Halo 2 + 3's music production, and many hollywood movies) --- Add in a lot of Generic japanese ninjas/bishonnen/katanas (Ninjas, more ninjas... Raiden... Johnny sazaki) --- Old joke: There's only one voice in Metal Gear - Kojima's. Everyone speaks in the same monotonous allegory
Cracking piece of music.. Still it's a total rip off unfortunately! I don't see any sense in denying that it's plagiarism because it's just too obvious, there's still no reason why you shouldn't enjoy it... Many people think Harry Potter is completely plagiarised but the latest installent grossed $906,800,000 worldwide...
p.s
I'm sorry but FOR FUCKS SAKE IT'S A PIECE NOT A SONG!!!!!
There's no evidence that Tappy intentionally plagiarized this track to create his own. Konami was too sensitive about the issue and just decided not to use the track in MGS4.
yeah its too close to be an accident which is sad cause i do prefer the mgs2 theme than the original. there's been musical plagiarism in video game since the beginning but only recently has music composers have been calling them out on it. Should have given the right ppl credit or say its an homage or something instead of claiming its an original work.
lol, They both sound epic. Tell you the truth, I'm kinda glad Harry used this song to "plagiarise" from. No matter how Plagiarized it is, Harry's interpretation of the song connects with MGS, and in a whole, is the reason why the game is so epic. Kudos Hideo, Harry, and indeed Sviridov.
It is indeed plagiarism, no way around it. The composer's theme sounds like it could be a new soundtrack for a MGS game, or an old one. Music plays a big part in stories, for example the great Star Wars, or Jurassic Park. During key moments or the Money Shot, creators depend on music and MGS had that.
As a fan of the very first MG game, I'll say these games would had sold regardles. The game mastered Stealth "Game Play" at that time.
This video doesn't prove anything, someone else could have recorded there own version or gotten it from some other source and claim that it was Sviridov's composition.
Plagiarism eh... everyone these days makes remix of songs.. they should have just credited Siridov for the base melody because it is like a remix.. and maybe we would still have this theme song in MG games..
All music sounds the same to a degree because instruments have limited notes believe it or not. and the metal gear themes are all different with few of the same characteristics. Maybe it is a rip off er maybe not, no one here can say for SURE. That being said I really enjoy both, and most people wouldn't even know who Sviridov is with out the comparison videos.
i love both im glad this happened coz now i love sviridovs work 2 very good pieces of music ... i think sviridov's version is very elegant and the mgs version is more militant ... 2 great songs :)
@normansmother1 so what? That dont spoil the game, I still love the game and the track... and well, If MGS "plagiarism" let the world knew Sviridov then its not a bad thing at all.
So yeah, we hear, that it IS NOT THE SAME, therefore no plagiarism at all.
The only thing that sounds like the original piece is the melody, but even that is another tempo and has completely another harmonyand rhytmic feeling in the backround.
... Also, defined ba law, it would have to e more than 4 bars/measures to ba called as 'plagiarism', which it does not... so wtf is this shit all about. Trying to get some attention by accusing those people behind the MG Solid Snake Soundtrack of plagiarism and thus prevent us from hearing this great soundtrack in any form in MG3 and 4 and the other? Great work...
stop sayin sumthin like "the russian version would be completely unknown " Sviridov was popular but just in russia thats all. And btw Sviridov is dead anyway so he don't care bout #LOL
Don't feel bad for Kojima. It is the Japanese way... They respect "by default" because they are open to critics... It is us that see that as an offense / attack but it is not for him. Look closer, he is charmed... Gregson did some cool job (it seems) out of Sergei's but the highest part was done in 1987... MGS1... Look before... MSX & Konami is an older story...
@MariusChamberlin No he did not. they brought him in on MGS 2 and after to remake the original theme. "the musical score of Metal Gear Solid was composed by Konami in-house musicians, including Kazuki Muraoka, who also worked on Metal Gear."
It's sad how people try and justify this. Plagiarism is wrong, regardless of whether or not the original composer eventually gets credit (long after his death in this case).
@glorbax Yes, you're right, but how can we fix it? Is there any composer's relative to receive the copyright? Man, that seems so nationalistic by the russians. The melody is almost the same, with slight variations, but the "spirit" of the music is clearly diferent. Please, tell me if I'm putting a distortioned question!
Is there any copyright involved? The composition is from 1979! More than forty years now! How many of us would know Sviridov without this? Thank you, metal gear!
@feramsan The theme was present in the first MGS and Gregson was not here at this time since he arrived for MGS 2 ! He just remixed the MGS main theme.
Whether it's plagiarism or not, I don't care (really like the MGS theme), but I don't like Factuallyright's analogy at all. You've described the drug's are in development at the same time in your analogy, whereas the MGS theme was written about 1998(ish) and "Pushkin's Garland" was written about 1979 (MASSIVE gap).
It's the fact that the melody sounds REALLY similar, and that most of the MGS Theme can be vaguely heard in "Pushkin's Garland."
Obviously the composer was inspired by this song, but I don't see it as blatant plagurism. I will continue whine; however, the russian song has an oboe and English horn, both of which I play
The motif is the same. Big whoop. I'd like you to compare any twi hip hop, R&B, and even pop songs nowadays and tell me they don't have a similar motif.
@RishadMahbub Plagiarism is more complex than someone blatantly stealing the song. The most likely scenario is MGS' composer heard the song some time before, and when approached with the job, he was inspired and came up with this song. He unknowingly plagiarized. It's something that happens nearly subconsciously. The same thing happens with writers... where they read so many different things when they sit down to write they can accidentally use something they read before.
@mindtoxicity That's terribly naive of you. The song matches note for note. Going with your comparison to writing, it would be as if an author copied another author's paragraph word for word. That's plagiarism, not "unknowingly" inspired. Stop fanboying it up because Snake makes your vagina tickle. If I had the rights to the original song, I would sue their asses into the ground.
@TheBleuBlurr It's about 20 seconds of music. If you'd get your panties in a twist over that then you're not defending your intellectual property, you're just a prick. Regardless of if this was about video games, or if was done in a movie, or a indie record, it's not that huge a deal except to assholes who want to make it out to be one.
The main motif is actually composed by Raleigh Rheindart in 1971, before Sviridov. Sviridov just re-arranegd it later. check my only video to understand and Flemmung's site that explains it all.
All I know is these Russian dicks ruined the musical score for MGS4 by telling Kojima that the theme was stolen.. It is not identical, thus is not stolen, saying it is stolen because it is similar is like saying I must be just like the bank robber who took 100k just because I have 100k in my bank account even though I got it in a 100% legal way. Also anyone that thinks this "version" of this score is better then the one present in MGS is a fool.
Far from a terrible comparrison, it is exactly what people here are saying. You also need to stop putting the "blame" on Konami, seeing as they didn't produce the song.
The did not produce the song.. stop putting any blame on Konami, all they did is hire the guy that DID produce the song, want to "blame" someone (though there is nothing to blame anyone for other then the Russian guys who didn't let Kojima put the metal gear theme in his own damn game) you want to blame the guy who scored the song in the first place.
While that may be true, it still doesn't change the fact that the MGS "version" (and I use "s because as I stated, nothing has been stolen here) is the better of the two, and they shouldn't have ruined the score to such a great game franchise.
Blaming Konami is like saying that the country germany should be blamed for what Hitler did even though it was HIS choice to do what he did and not the countries.
It wasn't plagiarism, by Konami by the composers, by anyone. Just a misunderstanding blown way out of comparison. A better comparison is two drug companies- Comany A and Company B- are looking for a cure for the common cold. They are not in direct competition. Company A discovers a solution effective at helping get over a cold, as does Company B 10 months later. Both solutions are in the same class, but have differences. Did Company B plagiarise? Probably not. The same applies here.
Well the game made the song mean what it does today. If the was never associated with Metal Gear Solid I'm pretty sure it would have just faded into obscurity.
I feel bad for Kojima when they first showed him this song.
(Thinking)"Okay, so what's the big deal about this song...mhm...mhm...kinda catchy. Wait a sec. This sounds just like...oooh sh*t. Our composer ripped off this guy's song. They're here to sue me."
@TukaihaHithlec I don't even think they could sue him; the Russion song I think is a classic, so that means it would be public domain now anyway. I'm not 100% on the 'classic' detail, though.
@MGlBlaze They did sue him though. Either stop using the song or turn over the franchise. That's why you don't hear it in the games anymore after Snake Eater.
@MGlBlaze The artist has to be dead for more then 70 years before his songs become public domain. Even a lot of 20's jazz is still not public domain yet,
I would have believed this wasn't somewhat plagariazed if only one part of the song was changed upon, but since it's two parts, I have trouble believing that.
The Metal Gear Solid theme used in MGS2 and 3 was not excluded from MGS4; the songs name is "Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Metal Gear Saga"
Even if TAPPY got a mental breakdown and copied Sviridov's music, it is plain silly to start making allegations NOW. The theme is the core of the MGS series and should've been in MGS4 regardless IMHO, it's not Kojima's nor Harry Gregson Williams's fault. They could've just tossed in "In honor of Sviridov" in the credits or whatever.
And it could, maybe, possibly be just coincidence! The world is not as big as we think it is and things like this can and do happen.
I don't think "the Russians" asked for any fee - Sviridov is also dead already - it probably just a decision by Kojima not to keep using it after he found out - his budget and pride is big enough to create a new theme song... that said I would have loved it if they kept on using the theme.
While there are some definite similarities between the two, I don't feel that legal action would have been justified in this situation. There are thousands of different works of music in the world and every day it becomes more and more apparent that nothing can be 100% original anymore. Unless someone introduces a new series of timing and notes that doesn't sound completely incoherent, this won't be the last time we hear about video game music being legally pursued for plagiarism.
"The truth is, Konami [had legal problems with] Russian composers who said we stole their music," Hibino told EGM. They didn't [steal their music], actually. But Konami was too sensitive about the situation and just decided not to use that music in the game." -- EGM via Gamasutra
Dude! why you commenting about the country it has nothing to do with russia well its by a russian composer and Konami shouldn't have taken and remixed the music in the first place then nothing would happen and I am not Russian. I am just not happy that people comment against country and no offense !PEACE
i think they're similar, but still, that alone doesn't prove that it is plagiarism...if you look back at the history of music that are many songs that have the same rhythm, timing, and even notes without being considered plagrarism. I personally think that it can be possible two song be a lot like by coincidence...considering that since the beginning of humanity music has been made.
I personally think people should forget a bit about money and coprights and just enjoy more both songs.
this doesn't change a thing for me except it adds another song to my list of favs. I still love the MGS version, but I won't lie, the original is much better.
What's the chances of Metal Gear Solid's theme sounding pretty identical in all bits of that song, like at the same time as it has in the bit where they are both played. Seems a bit odd.
Mother of god
xXGhilleSuitManXx 3 days ago
20 seconds of copy-pasted music. Inspiration? Nay.
sav7775 1 week ago
Holy crap.
DGneoseeker1 4 weeks ago
I kinda wished they just paid the fee and used the song in MGS4
ForeverWiked 1 month ago 3
plagiarism or not that melody sounds awesome
ThePrez92 1 month ago
Man if only the Internet kept there mouth shut we would've had it other mgs games
jeffplaysska 2 months ago 2
А все говорят что у мы воруем музыку
MegadethTestament 3 months ago
@MegadethTestament Вина является точка зрения, и указывая пальцами ничего не изменит.
Dracula9AntiChapel 1 month ago
@Dracula9AntiChapel Русский язык выучи сначала а потом пишинормально
MegadethTestament 1 month ago
@MegadethTestament ЖЖ достойную оскорбление и я мог бы быть склонен к наплевать.
Dracula9AntiChapel 1 month ago
@Dracula9AntiChapel БЛЯ РУССКИЙ ЯЗЫК ВЫУЧИ СНАЧАЛА ПОТОМ ПИШИ
MegadethTestament 1 month ago
@MegadethTestament Ну, ну, нет причин кричать. Очевидно, вы можете понять, до такой степени, что я говорю, так в чем проблема?Единственная проблема, я вижу здесь ваш темперамент. ЦК, ЦК, должны получить, что под контролем.
Dracula9AntiChapel 1 month ago
@Dracula9AntiChapel
Русский язык выучил потом общяйся а так не хера не понятно что за склад слов ты мне шлёшь
MegadethTestament 1 month ago
@MegadethTestament I take it you haven't been trolled before. :/
Dracula9AntiChapel 1 month ago
@Dracula9AntiChapel Слушай ты чё доебался до меня чё делать не чего
MegadethTestament 1 month ago
Does anyone else think the two pieces played together sound kind of badass?
ZombiePuppy 4 months ago 4
@ZombiePuppy Yup. ;)
jeanfmur 2 months ago
They do sound a bit familliar but growing up with the MGS theme the other one just feels a little incomplet.
therealbigboss12345 4 months ago
@therealbigboss12345 Incomplete, yes, but its undeniable that these themes are the same song. I like the MGS theme more because it added some notes and is faster paced but this is shockingly close so its undeniable that this is plagiarism. Maybe subconscious but still plagiarism.
Hamhark98 4 months ago
@therealbigboss12345 Totally agree.
The sviridov is missing something that mgs theme has.
jefaslb 2 weeks ago
MaxAC40 5 months ago
Cracking piece of music.. Still it's a total rip off unfortunately! I don't see any sense in denying that it's plagiarism because it's just too obvious, there's still no reason why you shouldn't enjoy it... Many people think Harry Potter is completely plagiarised but the latest installent grossed $906,800,000 worldwide...
p.s
I'm sorry but FOR FUCKS SAKE IT'S A PIECE NOT A SONG!!!!!
(Songs have vocals.... Choir doesn't count)
Bullock1991 5 months ago
There's no evidence that Tappy intentionally plagiarized this track to create his own. Konami was too sensitive about the issue and just decided not to use the track in MGS4.
vonVince 5 months ago
They should just buy a goddamn license. Can't they do that?
Superubercarnage 6 months ago
This can be rewritten.or reinterpretation
lafrej25 7 months ago
MGS games with the classic main theme... were THE BEST MGS GAMES.
Mati9319Studio 7 months ago 3
The songs are similar... but this is not plagiarism... This is just a coincidence!
They don't even sound that similar!
MidgetguyII 8 months ago
yeah its too close to be an accident which is sad cause i do prefer the mgs2 theme than the original. there's been musical plagiarism in video game since the beginning but only recently has music composers have been calling them out on it. Should have given the right ppl credit or say its an homage or something instead of claiming its an original work.
SinisterSally 8 months ago
lol, They both sound epic. Tell you the truth, I'm kinda glad Harry used this song to "plagiarise" from. No matter how Plagiarized it is, Harry's interpretation of the song connects with MGS, and in a whole, is the reason why the game is so epic. Kudos Hideo, Harry, and indeed Sviridov.
Gackra 8 months ago
@Gackra Really, Harry Gregson Williams did not created the mgs theme, he just remade the theme for mgs2 and 3. The mgs theme was composed by Tappy
27Markarian 5 months ago
@27Markarian You're right thanks for the correction. My point still stands though.
Gackra 5 months ago
@Gackra Yeah, that of course ^_^
27Markarian 5 months ago
Big Boss should've killed Sviridov's commie ass when he had the chance... you know, during the Cold War.
Perroramirez 9 months ago
It is indeed plagiarism, no way around it. The composer's theme sounds like it could be a new soundtrack for a MGS game, or an old one. Music plays a big part in stories, for example the great Star Wars, or Jurassic Park. During key moments or the Money Shot, creators depend on music and MGS had that.
As a fan of the very first MG game, I'll say these games would had sold regardles. The game mastered Stealth "Game Play" at that time.
jp3sucks 9 months ago
This video doesn't prove anything, someone else could have recorded there own version or gotten it from some other source and claim that it was Sviridov's composition.
blueguy09 9 months ago
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU! YOU HAVE RUINED MGS FOR ME!!!
MacGoesSurreal 9 months ago
Plagiarism eh... everyone these days makes remix of songs.. they should have just credited Siridov for the base melody because it is like a remix.. and maybe we would still have this theme song in MG games..
ShiroiYuriNoOtome 9 months ago
its obvious Big Boss gave him the inspiration to make this song back in the 70's
lol i bet harry was like "!" oh noes they found out xD
EDDIEinWAR 10 months ago 10
@EDDIEinWAR Harry didn't compose it, he remixed it
TukaihaHithlec 1 week ago
All music sounds the same to a degree because instruments have limited notes believe it or not. and the metal gear themes are all different with few of the same characteristics. Maybe it is a rip off er maybe not, no one here can say for SURE. That being said I really enjoy both, and most people wouldn't even know who Sviridov is with out the comparison videos.
Kelthuzad126 10 months ago
i love both im glad this happened coz now i love sviridovs work 2 very good pieces of music ... i think sviridov's version is very elegant and the mgs version is more militant ... 2 great songs :)
gillenpantera 11 months ago 2
Ohhhh shit.
Puzzoozoo 11 months ago
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Sviridov is famous in Russia. There is an article in Wikipedia . org about him, you can read if you like.
NataliaGor1 1 year ago
@normansmother1 so what? That dont spoil the game, I still love the game and the track... and well, If MGS "plagiarism" let the world knew Sviridov then its not a bad thing at all.
championofgods 1 year ago
sounds a bit like super smash bra
BombEatingPacMan 1 year ago
plagiarism of copyright
NataliaGor1 1 year ago
I don't give a flying fuck .... I still love Metal Gear !
PuI2ePLaYaZ 1 year ago
So yeah, we hear, that it IS NOT THE SAME, therefore no plagiarism at all.
The only thing that sounds like the original piece is the melody, but even that is another tempo and has completely another harmonyand rhytmic feeling in the backround.
000Mariat000 1 year ago
@000Mariat000
... Also, defined ba law, it would have to e more than 4 bars/measures to ba called as 'plagiarism', which it does not... so wtf is this shit all about. Trying to get some attention by accusing those people behind the MG Solid Snake Soundtrack of plagiarism and thus prevent us from hearing this great soundtrack in any form in MG3 and 4 and the other? Great work...
000Mariat000 1 year ago
Harry Gregson-Williams didn't compose the Metal Gear Solid theme. He came on board with Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
The MGS theme was used in MGS, wasn't it?
Therefore, Harry Gregson-Williams did not plagiarize this piece.
I might be mistaken, but the ORIGINAL METAL GEAR game first used it, so if anything, the creators of THAT should have been blamed.
jlively1910 1 year ago
@jlively1910 No, the theme was first composed for MGS.
SergeantLuke 11 months ago
@SergeantLuke Ok, thankyou. But even so, that means the HGW can't be to blame! <:)
jlively1910 11 months ago
The original MGO1 theme was done by "Tappy", that's where and who we should be looking at IMO.
MrTonyBarzini 1 year ago
stop sayin sumthin like "the russian version would be completely unknown " Sviridov was popular but just in russia thats all. And btw Sviridov is dead anyway so he don't care bout #LOL
0Yummi0 1 year ago
Don't feel bad for Kojima. It is the Japanese way... They respect "by default" because they are open to critics... It is us that see that as an offense / attack but it is not for him. Look closer, he is charmed... Gregson did some cool job (it seems) out of Sergei's but the highest part was done in 1987... MGS1... Look before... MSX & Konami is an older story...
pauladenisefatagnus 1 year ago
Sergei Kursanov has transcribed this for piano... Grab the sheets from scorser
Tsobanian 1 year ago
So what if the MGS-theme is a VARIATION of Sviridov's song? They are both good, right? :)
Antisp1ral 1 year ago
who cares if its copied, and the MGS composer made it better anyways =P
if it wasnt for the MGS theme the Russian version would be completely unknown
KHfanguy 1 year ago
Doesn't anyone realize its incredibly hard to be original these days and on a side note not to mention making something original that turns out good.
ShamefulSammy 1 year ago
they sound slightly alike. but i think the Henry Gregson Williams version just sounds different enough for it not to be the same.
DrWonderEyes 1 year ago
@DrWonderEyes Harry Gregson Williams was not the original 'composer'. He started composing for MGS2, whereas the MGS theme was around since MGS 1.
Mediocretothemax 1 year ago 2
@Mediocretothemax Harry Gregson-Williams also composed the soundtrack of MGS1
MariusChamberlin 1 year ago
@MariusChamberlin No he did not. they brought him in on MGS 2 and after to remake the original theme. "the musical score of Metal Gear Solid was composed by Konami in-house musicians, including Kazuki Muraoka, who also worked on Metal Gear."
storymaster23 1 year ago
@MariusChamberlin
No he didn't, the main theme was by TAPPY and the rest was done by KONAMI.
MrTonyBarzini 1 year ago
@MariusChamberlin no he didn't
YeksTimeSoon 1 year ago
:O!!!! im downloading the russian song now
WHEELYZAKALUIS 1 year ago
With the overlay of the original Russian song, it does sound a lot more fitting. The notes line up very well.
They're both good sounding songs. It's kind of mean that the MGS theme is very likely plagiarizing the Russian Winter Road song.
nlicky 1 year ago
the MGS theme was also going to be in Brawl, but it had to be scrapped becaus of the controversy and put Snake's Theme from Metal Gear 2.
DansukeTheHedgehog 1 year ago
you know the ending it acuttly sounds betetr together it must be me.
wooyul1233 1 year ago
o.o left out of MGS4 due to plagerism? Bull.
Every MGS game has its own unique track. and if you played the game, then you would know the theme IS IN FACT in MGS4, On the ipod music player
TheLittleCuteThing 1 year ago
@TheLittleCuteThing
Sunny also kinda sings it at the the start of every briefing - those numbers she says are to the tune of the MGS theme
Gaiaquke 1 year ago
um... I feel these are different.. At least MGS music has creativity own.
macorinu1 1 year ago
It's sad how people try and justify this. Plagiarism is wrong, regardless of whether or not the original composer eventually gets credit (long after his death in this case).
glorbax 1 year ago
@glorbax Yes, you're right, but how can we fix it? Is there any composer's relative to receive the copyright? Man, that seems so nationalistic by the russians. The melody is almost the same, with slight variations, but the "spirit" of the music is clearly diferent. Please, tell me if I'm putting a distortioned question!
heldermmelo 1 year ago
Is there any copyright involved? The composition is from 1979! More than forty years now! How many of us would know Sviridov without this? Thank you, metal gear!
heldermmelo 1 year ago
@heldermmelo You fail at math.
magas 1 year ago
@magas Oh yeah, you're right. What a shame! X )
heldermmelo 1 year ago
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CommanderLink 1 year ago
@CommanderLink
Close the mouth. Sviridov's music is display of spirit Russian culture. You are not better.
BSVIDEOSSVin4ep 1 year ago
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CommanderLink 1 year ago
@CommanderLink
Cause Its Trolling.I hate this.
Yes, they morons also have arrived not correctly.
To me as it is a shame to the patriot with such people.
But it does not mean, that all such people. It is not necessary to offend our nation.
BSVIDEOSSVin4ep 1 year ago
@BSVIDEOSSVin4ep oh ok.
translator is bad but i understand
CommanderLink 1 year ago
@CommanderLink
Sorry for my english. I learn english language 6 eys ago. More words and rules i forgot.
BSVIDEOSSVin4ep 1 year ago
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CommanderLink 1 year ago
@CommanderLink You better shut up, ugly bastard.
9379911 1 year ago
@9379911 fuck off faggot
CommanderLink 1 year ago
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CommanderLink 1 year ago
@CommanderLink ????? why are you angry at the guy who originally composed the song?!?!?!?!
dualOne01 1 year ago
come on Russia !! MGS is a great game.... u should allow them to use this soundtrack for MGS4.. it will be a BANG !! it suits very well !!
i dont know what to say.. it was the same thing when Konami was doing enthusia n then became a flop
gameraiman15 1 year ago
the songs are epic when played on top of eachother
Kill001 1 year ago 2
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Everyone go have a listen to Sergei Kursanov's awesome piano transription for Goyrgy Sviridov's "WInter Way". Search for "Kursanov" on youtube.
Tsobanian 1 year ago
I say it's TAPPY's fault for doing the the theme in the first place for MGS1. Not Hideo's.
Skeletonpack 1 year ago 2
i dont think its plagiarism, i think the guy just sampled it, like so many artists today sample other artist's songs
dragonebl 1 year ago
gregson you fired!!!
feramsan 1 year ago
@feramsan The theme was present in the first MGS and Gregson was not here at this time since he arrived for MGS 2 ! He just remixed the MGS main theme.
Rwowd 1 year ago
i bet Kojima fired the musician guy
ChopSooyLee 1 year ago
@ChopSooyLee he made him do the harakiri first.
giansantiago 1 year ago 2
What's with you people being assholes about it?
It's pretty obvious that Sviridov's work was used as a basis for a great remix.
Give Sviridov the credit for creating awesome music he earned and Konami for creating an awesome game - that's all that is to it.
Suyamu 1 year ago 4
Being assholes? Because its a plagiarism, no matter what. Dont you get it?
Rancen123 1 year ago
@Rancen123
what exactly are you getting worked up for?
it's not your work that got used.
If Sviridov is not OK with this he should speak up now... oh wait he's dead and doesn't care
Suyamu 1 year ago
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Whether it's plagiarism or not, I don't care (really like the MGS theme), but I don't like Factuallyright's analogy at all. You've described the drug's are in development at the same time in your analogy, whereas the MGS theme was written about 1998(ish) and "Pushkin's Garland" was written about 1979 (MASSIVE gap).
It's the fact that the melody sounds REALLY similar, and that most of the MGS Theme can be vaguely heard in "Pushkin's Garland."
jimbo11235813 1 year ago
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jimbo11235813 1 year ago
Obviously the composer was inspired by this song, but I don't see it as blatant plagurism. I will continue whine; however, the russian song has an oboe and English horn, both of which I play
samtheman264 1 year ago
How come people say it was an accident? It would be incredibly hard to make a song with the same characteristics throughout the whole entire song.
RishadMahbub 2 years ago 65
The motif is the same. Big whoop. I'd like you to compare any twi hip hop, R&B, and even pop songs nowadays and tell me they don't have a similar motif.
Factuallyright 2 years ago
@RishadMahbub have you heard rappers lately? lol
Duros1394 1 year ago
@RishadMahbub Plagiarism is more complex than someone blatantly stealing the song. The most likely scenario is MGS' composer heard the song some time before, and when approached with the job, he was inspired and came up with this song. He unknowingly plagiarized. It's something that happens nearly subconsciously. The same thing happens with writers... where they read so many different things when they sit down to write they can accidentally use something they read before.
mindtoxicity 1 year ago 49
@mindtoxicity That's terribly naive of you. The song matches note for note. Going with your comparison to writing, it would be as if an author copied another author's paragraph word for word. That's plagiarism, not "unknowingly" inspired. Stop fanboying it up because Snake makes your vagina tickle. If I had the rights to the original song, I would sue their asses into the ground.
TheBleuBlurr 4 weeks ago
@TheBleuBlurr It's about 20 seconds of music. If you'd get your panties in a twist over that then you're not defending your intellectual property, you're just a prick. Regardless of if this was about video games, or if was done in a movie, or a indie record, it's not that huge a deal except to assholes who want to make it out to be one.
SAWhowhatnow 4 weeks ago
@RishadMahbub
You're right, it's an obvious case of plagiarism.
CubishBalls 10 months ago
@RishadMahbub
hard, or unlikely? stranger things can and do happen
RishiB 8 months ago
The main motif is actually composed by Raleigh Rheindart in 1971, before Sviridov. Sviridov just re-arranegd it later. check my only video to understand and Flemmung's site that explains it all.
ImageGround 2 years ago
I remember this music since my childhood. Sviridov. Winter road.
appleapple47 2 years ago
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It belongs to the game and hiedo kojima, who gives a shit about some russian vodka drinkin composer thats trying to cash in.
directorlog 2 years ago
All I know is these Russian dicks ruined the musical score for MGS4 by telling Kojima that the theme was stolen.. It is not identical, thus is not stolen, saying it is stolen because it is similar is like saying I must be just like the bank robber who took 100k just because I have 100k in my bank account even though I got it in a 100% legal way. Also anyone that thinks this "version" of this score is better then the one present in MGS is a fool.
macdaddymario 2 years ago
That's a terrible comparrison. It was clearly plagarism from konami.
neverhoodyn 2 years ago
Far from a terrible comparrison, it is exactly what people here are saying. You also need to stop putting the "blame" on Konami, seeing as they didn't produce the song.
macdaddymario 2 years ago 2
@macdaddymario
Konami is responsible for all content put in the game. You can't blame the producer.. jesus..
neverhoodyn 2 years ago
The did not produce the song.. stop putting any blame on Konami, all they did is hire the guy that DID produce the song, want to "blame" someone (though there is nothing to blame anyone for other then the Russian guys who didn't let Kojima put the metal gear theme in his own damn game) you want to blame the guy who scored the song in the first place.
macdaddymario 2 years ago
@macdaddymario
It does not matter who produced the song. The PUBLISHERS are ALLWAYS responsible for the content in the retail version.
neverhoodyn 2 years ago
@never
While that may be true, it still doesn't change the fact that the MGS "version" (and I use "s because as I stated, nothing has been stolen here) is the better of the two, and they shouldn't have ruined the score to such a great game franchise.
macdaddymario 2 years ago
@macdaddymario
I some what agree.
neverhoodyn 2 years ago
Blaming Konami is like saying that the country germany should be blamed for what Hitler did even though it was HIS choice to do what he did and not the countries.
SyntheticEspionage 2 years ago
It wasn't plagiarism, by Konami by the composers, by anyone. Just a misunderstanding blown way out of comparison. A better comparison is two drug companies- Comany A and Company B- are looking for a cure for the common cold. They are not in direct competition. Company A discovers a solution effective at helping get over a cold, as does Company B 10 months later. Both solutions are in the same class, but have differences. Did Company B plagiarise? Probably not. The same applies here.
Factuallyright 2 years ago
The similarities between the two tunes is uncanny! 0_o,
raijinzz 2 years ago
So much comments from anglosucksons that prove they (anglosucksons) are the most liar and hypocrite people in the world.
ahbahpuh 2 years ago
Well the game made the song mean what it does today. If the was never associated with Metal Gear Solid I'm pretty sure it would have just faded into obscurity.
Terrakinetic 2 years ago
meh, if anything his original has now been loved and experienced by millions! though i suppose if you'd want royalties then yeah prepare to sue.
Antphoneigh 2 years ago
Original is great. Modern song based on it is great, Kojima is great. end of discussion any other comments are rehash or stupidity.
grah55 2 years ago
I feel bad for Kojima when they first showed him this song.
(Thinking)"Okay, so what's the big deal about this song...mhm...mhm...kinda catchy. Wait a sec. This sounds just like...oooh sh*t. Our composer ripped off this guy's song. They're here to sue me."
Poor guy. Wasn't even his fault.
TukaihaHithlec 2 years ago 78
@TukaihaHithlec I don't even think they could sue him; the Russion song I think is a classic, so that means it would be public domain now anyway. I'm not 100% on the 'classic' detail, though.
MGlBlaze 8 months ago
@MGlBlaze They did sue him though. Either stop using the song or turn over the franchise. That's why you don't hear it in the games anymore after Snake Eater.
TukaihaHithlec 8 months ago
@MGlBlaze The artist has to be dead for more then 70 years before his songs become public domain. Even a lot of 20's jazz is still not public domain yet,
snipersEND 6 months ago
so what srrisly its not as if no1s ever done it b4... plus its more of a remix of this sviridick fella neways
ChrisPiper006 2 years ago
I miss the mgs theme :(
UkeBuke 2 years ago 5
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Sviridov can go suck my balls. The guy ruined one of the best parts of the MGS franchise!
tonelessfuture 2 years ago
The guy is dead.
Also, he CREATED one of the best parts of the MGS franchise.
You're a moron.
Chradnev 2 years ago 7
Ignorant fool =")
robinpimpin190 2 years ago
lol, hate stupid kids comments >.>
Nest0rm 2 years ago
And i hate you!
ARSA525 2 years ago
I don't care. I love Sviridov and Kojima.
breakingthe4thwall 2 years ago 4
the mgs2 remix of that russian song is way better.
albasuna 2 years ago
A lot of classical music is in the public domain, the plagerism could of been unintentional in that way.
RunikaMori 2 years ago
I would have believed this wasn't somewhat plagariazed if only one part of the song was changed upon, but since it's two parts, I have trouble believing that.
MasterS00 2 years ago
Coincidental, could easily have happened. Any musician knows this.
cynicaldemon 2 years ago 2
The Metal Gear Solid theme used in MGS2 and 3 was not excluded from MGS4; the songs name is "Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Metal Gear Saga"
tarzan1906 2 years ago
muy bueno
elidiobizkit 2 years ago
Even if TAPPY got a mental breakdown and copied Sviridov's music, it is plain silly to start making allegations NOW. The theme is the core of the MGS series and should've been in MGS4 regardless IMHO, it's not Kojima's nor Harry Gregson Williams's fault. They could've just tossed in "In honor of Sviridov" in the credits or whatever.
And it could, maybe, possibly be just coincidence! The world is not as big as we think it is and things like this can and do happen.
Senapse 2 years ago
its a common melody, its bound too happen in music sometimes for sure!!
Greyfox192 2 years ago
I do not think that the relatives Sviridov want your americans money ;) Any way let it remain on the conscience of Harry Williams.
P.s sorry i have bad engilsh))
RagnarockCC 2 years ago
correction! on the conscience of TAPPY. Harry Williams used the composition made by TAPPY from MGS1. So if anybody is to blame is TAPPY.
619mark619 2 years ago
Williams didn't make up the song. He wrote the theme for Metal Gear Solid 2, but Tappy did mgs1
breakingthe4thwall 2 years ago
Isnt imitation the biggest form of flattery? ಠ_ಠ
thegmezpain187369 2 years ago
maybe yes, but if it's about monney such things don't exist :P
wsafaridude 2 years ago
couldn't they just pay the Russians a fee, rappers do it.
roger767 2 years ago
I don't think "the Russians" asked for any fee - Sviridov is also dead already - it probably just a decision by Kojima not to keep using it after he found out - his budget and pride is big enough to create a new theme song... that said I would have loved it if they kept on using the theme.
Suyamu 2 years ago
lol if people were sued everytime there was plagiarism. Every band in the world would be sued for using the same notes and riffs.
fonarte 2 years ago
While there are some definite similarities between the two, I don't feel that legal action would have been justified in this situation. There are thousands of different works of music in the world and every day it becomes more and more apparent that nothing can be 100% original anymore. Unless someone introduces a new series of timing and notes that doesn't sound completely incoherent, this won't be the last time we hear about video game music being legally pursued for plagiarism.
19642014 2 years ago
"The truth is, Konami [had legal problems with] Russian composers who said we stole their music," Hibino told EGM. They didn't [steal their music], actually. But Konami was too sensitive about the situation and just decided not to use that music in the game." -- EGM via Gamasutra
19642014 2 years ago 2
they removed the theme because some unknown faggot?
OMG fuck him and russia
eddyg0rd0 2 years ago
well said man. i wish they had the theme in MGS4 to make it a full circle
TheMorrisseyMan 2 years ago
Dude! why you commenting about the country it has nothing to do with russia well its by a russian composer and Konami shouldn't have taken and remixed the music in the first place then nothing would happen and I am not Russian. I am just not happy that people comment against country and no offense !PEACE
mrahman377 2 years ago
they should thank and pay Harry Grgson Williams for taking this song and making it known NOT bann it , so yeah FUCK RUSSIA
eddyg0rd0 2 years ago
this is not plagiarism.
racionais2006 2 years ago
i think they're similar, but still, that alone doesn't prove that it is plagiarism...if you look back at the history of music that are many songs that have the same rhythm, timing, and even notes without being considered plagrarism. I personally think that it can be possible two song be a lot like by coincidence...considering that since the beginning of humanity music has been made.
I personally think people should forget a bit about money and coprights and just enjoy more both songs.
ollenadgam 2 years ago
This isn't even the important part of the MGS theme.
MentalSentinel 2 years ago
the "important part" of the MGS theme is also in Sviridov's work for metel.
Suyamu 2 years ago
this doesn't change a thing for me except it adds another song to my list of favs. I still love the MGS version, but I won't lie, the original is much better.
jaybo976 2 years ago
What's the chances of Metal Gear Solid's theme sounding pretty identical in all bits of that song, like at the same time as it has in the bit where they are both played. Seems a bit odd.
MassyProductions 2 years ago
where could i download sviridov
HueBiohazard 2 years ago
there are obvious similarity and is obviously the inspiration for the MGS version but i think we can all agree MGS version is much much better
snatcherz2 2 years ago
uhmm..... no....
Janne112 2 years ago
blow us dickweed
TheMorrisseyMan 2 years ago
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Stan1992 2 years ago
Fuckin retard GTFO my internets
MorphineOD 2 years ago
Come on, you guys. We all know that the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo are behind this.
(Wtf?! la-li-lu-le-lo?!! Ah, fuck it! They won't control me. If you have to blame someone? Blame the Patriots for this outrage).
nairobi26 2 years ago 3
Great mash up!
I didn't even know who Georgy Sviridov was.
I'll be sure to check that guys stuuf out now.
Sterlng 2 years ago
hay millones de musicas parecidas,
chusfortune 3 years ago