DVD Version INTRO Individualism vs Collectivism

[lolozoic]

This series blew my mind, thank you it will most definitely help out with my social class!

[PeacefulKancer]

@lolozoic Watch out. You talk about this stuff in class and people are going to call you all sorts of names. People don't want to hear the truth.

[jplamison]

Very interesting series.

[d0nj03]

What, back up my claims that there have been on this Earth countless generations of animals that only cared about themselves (i.e. individualists) and that their life was savage and uncivilised? You've gotta be kidding me. Why don't you back up your education first? :) Then we can talk...

[PeacefulKancer]

Wow. I'm done talking to you if you are just going to start a debate with an insult.

[d0nj03]

It's never an insult to tell someone they need more education - none of us are omniscient. But, truth be told, I could just as easily have answered: "Wow. I'm done talking to you if you're going to spend the whole debate asking stupid questions. My time and patience are limited, you know." ;)

[d0nj03]

Watching just the intro, you'd think you're in for a balanced presentation of individualism and collectivism, that you're about to hear the best arguments from both sides. Instead, the series is just libertarian propaganda, clearly biased toward individualism and completely dismissive of collectivism, which it never tries to argue for but only demonizes right from the start, equating it with Nazism, Communism and Fascism. (To its author:) Way to go, dipshit.

[PeacefulKancer]

If you can show how collectivism is seperate from nazism, communism, and fascism.... then I am all ears.

[d0nj03]

That would be irrelevant. In this kind of presentation it matters what the _definition_ of a philosophy is and what its best _arguments_ are. Otherwise, libertarianism should also be associated with _its_ historical examples of failed application attempts: millions of years of savage uncivilised life, with countless generations of individual beasts each looking out only for itself and not caring about the group. Would you have seen that as an appropriate presentation of individualism?

[PeacefulKancer]

Absolutely not. Can you back your claims up?

[LostInHisBlueEyes]

Please don't get me wrong, I'm taking your side in this fight, but there is a significant difference between Nazism, Communism, and fascism. Its all about different degrees and extremes. Just take a look at a political spectrum. :)

[LostInHisBlueEyes]

Hey I have a great idea, d0nj03! Since you're clearly bothering everybody, why don't you cram it? Thanks. :)

[d0nj03]

I see no evidence at all that I'm bothering "everybody", I'm only bothering the uploader for putting up useless illogical "arguments" for some brand of excessive individualism.

So STFU, n00b. Thanks. ;)

[LostInHisBlueEyes]

Yeah, so stop annoying the uploader! For God's sake he put it up here for students to get reference and a different opinion!

So how about you TAKE A FUCKING HIKE and drop it already.

[PeacefulKancer]

As I stated in an earlier comment, you already started the discussion with the personal attacks so you are not worth debating.

You aren't bothering me. I think your stupidity speaks for itself.

[d0nj03]

If it did, you wouldn't be deleting all my old comments, now would you? I guess your cowardice and dishonesty speak for themselves...

[PeacefulKancer]

LOL. Just so everyone knows, d0nj03 has been commenting on THIS video, part 1.

He then came to the second video, P2, and started saying that I was deleting his comments. While in reality, he got confused and never had commented on that video.

So, all he has done is come and accused me of deleting his comments because I don't like it. LOL.

It is an innocent mistake but I surely don't care to be called a liar because he is too stupid to realize what part video he is commenting on. FAIL!

[d0nj03]

LOL. Just so everyone knows, I'm not the one confused here - I've written multiple comments on both videos and now they're gone, so my complaint is valid for both comment streams (you coward and now liar).

As for starting out with insults, if you hadn't deleted my oldest comments it would be clearly visible that the only dipshit beginning their intervention with aggressive comments here is your new friend LIHBE.

So you can both kiss my ass while hugging eachother. ;)

[PeacefulKancer]

How about... Nobody cares. you cannot verify your testimony and I cannot prove that I did not do something.

Therefore, the point is null.

You started with an insult. My FIRST response to you was that I was not going to debate you if you were just going to start with insults.

Get with the program.

[engine2truck6]

Peaceful: you are a clear thinker. Thanks for posting and great responses to your detractors! I don't know if you are right about the legend of Robin Hood... I thought he took money from the tax collector and returned it to those who earned it. That would put him on the side of the individualist.

[PeacefulKancer]

I am not the originator of the video, just a re-uploader.

As for Robin Hood... As far as I know, he stole from the rich and gave to the poor. Thus making him a representative of socialist government.

[engine2truck6]

After some research: Robin Hood was a TAX PROTESTER. He "stole" money from the Sheriff of Nottingham, who was collecting TAXES on behalf of the rich King. He returned money taken by force on behalf of the STATIST, and returned it to those who PRODUCED it. He was not a socialist.

[PeacefulKancer]

E2T6: Thank you. There is actually a lot of conflicting data out there about RH. Many sources say he stole from the rich. Others say he simply fought against Sheriff of Nottingham and Prince John who were tyrannts.

If he did indeed take from the State, then I wonder if he returned what was taken from each or did he distribute it evenly.

If he gave back what was taken then he is anti-socialist. If he gave back equal $ to everyone regardless of $ in, then he is socialist.

Interesting!

[Holyw4ffl3]

@engine2truck6: I like the moderator's viewpoint, but you are correct in that the story of Robin Hood is of a character who STOLE BACK the money taken from the villagers which they themselves produced. This doesn't mean that one can make a metaphor to the opposite however, a lot of stories can be used to argue either side....Like that book finished 1685 years ago, for instance...

[EltonJThe]

@Holyw4ffl3 That's why God speaks to his Prophet today. That book, made 1685 years ago, have been grossly misinterpreted because everyone who has is missing the Spirit of Prophecy.

[PeacefulKancer]

This is nothing new for people who disagree.

First: Hurl verbal assults at the person instead of the subject. This can be seen from d0nj03 7 months ago.

Second: When you get confused or can't keep track of where your arguing, then accuse the moderator of deleting your comments. In this case, d0nj03 has done it here and on P2.

Third: Anytime someone else steps in and tells them to quit being a pest (like LIHBE has done), insult them as well.

Repeat.