I run a V30 and a Texas Heat in a 2x12 and it sounds killer. The combination of the speakers really compliment each other. The texas heat sounds "papery" when it's not being pushed hard enough. You need to run enough volume from this speaker to get it to sound as good as it can. Don't buy a texas heat for a low wattage 1x12 and expect great results.. unless you always crank the S.O.B.
even though i favor v30s over anything else, but you arent even giving the eminence a chance. you cant leave them at the same eq. you have to set each to their most perfect parameter than record them that way.
i have been looking into the swamp thang/texas heat combo for my 4x12 anyone try this combo how does it sound i play mainly death metal and drop tunned stuff out of my peavey 6505+ head im lookin for good bottom end and tamed highs if anyone can enlighten me i would appreciate that swapping speakers is a nightmare theres way too many good speakers and combos out there!!
@RedNBlacK951 I say try it. I wanna try them in one of my cabs. I think the Texas Heat/Swamp Thang combo kinda sounds like the American voiced counterpart to the Governor/Man O War combo, which is supposed to be similar to the V30/T75 X pattern, if any of that makes sense.
I'd rather cut some highs in the mix (v30) than boost frequencies that don't exist (TH). TH has lots of character but no open sound compared to the v30. I prefer the v30 or my 12H30 which delivers a true classic rock tone.
Anyway they are not similar speakers and IMHO they cannot be compared. It is like apples and oranges...
texas heat sounds a lot warmer. v 30 sounds cold. v 30 sounds much more managable. neither sound good at all compared to each other, the only solution in this situation is to use both speakers i'd say. texas heat is really the last speaker i'd think of comparing to the v 30. or vice versa, just because i said it like that doesn't mean ones better, i know what you die hard brand fans are thinking.
You are comparing apples and oranges, the Patriot series from Eminence are speakers designed for clean, blues and vintage american rock. The Red Coat series are their british imitations and would make an appropriate comparison.
Maybe they WERE designed for clean, blues and vintage American rock, but this didn't stop Dimebag playing metal on them. I think the whole point in this comparison was to compare two different speakers? Why the hell are you complaining?
It's all personal taste that reflects the kind of music you play. The Celestion has brighter highs but using amps like the Egnater Renegade 65, you need a warmer speaker to kill the bitey highs of the lead channel. My Super reverb has ice picky or thin lead high end compared to my old Pro Reverb which is totally different on the high end. Thicker leads are great on the pro. My 72 Marshall need Celestions to ad hi's, my amp is very warm and thick sounding. Gotta go neutral based on needs....
For me, I don't want my speakers to have any voicing. If I want a brighter sound, or scooped mids, that is what I have EQ for. v30, G12H30, or Jensen Alnico 12
The comparison is just that? I don't think it is supposed tobe suggesting the eminence is trying to copy the celestion? The Texas Heat is from the American styled 'patriot' series? I think the Governer was supposed to be near to the g12t75 it is from the british series that are likely supposed to sound more similar to the celestions? Ultimately, with a number of the eminence models you are comparing quite different beasts, given some have over double the power handling of most celestions...
There is a HOLE under the dust cap on a speaker . . .
So, Rather than the speaker's sound being played INTO the mic, It is being played PAST the mic. You don't REALLY hear how the speaker sounds in this demo, but you can hear that the TH has more Low end . . . which sounds like muddiness due to the speaker positioning.
you can't really compare these speakers. v30 is one of celestions more trebly speakers. texas head is one of eminences least trebly speakers. it's supposed to sound fat, the celestion is supposed to sound clear. it's like comparing tinted glass to normal glass. "oh i can hardly see through the tinted glass." "well yeah but the sun hurts with the normal glass" ya know? i'd like to see the celestion by the man o war or something a bit more similar. i think texas heat i thing is a mixing speaker.
No contest at all , the V30 smokes the texas heat. I am so glad that is one of the speakers I own. that and the celestion G12k 85 which are very similar. I'd like to hear a the v30 go up against the eminence swamp thing cuz the texas heat just sucks. thanks for the demo
of course the celestion is going to sound better. it cost 130 and the TH cost 75 like wtf is wrong wit u ppl. That doesnt mean that the eminence sounds bad anything is better than the valveking stock speakers
@ecgedsel that's like saying an ipod will sound better then a sony mp3 player or something. you can charge more for something when it's more popular, and don't have to worry about making it better. the celestions are made in china and cost more then the american made eeminences. celestion is making bank, sitting on there asses like real estate agents. not saying either of these sound better, they can't be unsed in the same situations.
@Killyoudeadnstuff gonna make a point you can get uk made celestions even the v30, trust me i know these are different pitched. you have to remember the exchange rate, the pound is 25% stronger than the usd. a uk made celestion costs more because of this. now my thought on eminence is that their speakers are chincy sounding usualy and i have yet to find one i like, i use tayden btw hand wound uk speakers, but hey different strokes for different folks.
It seems as though the Eminence lacks the headroom compared to the V30. Other than the only real difference thats noticeable here is the slightly fatter tone of the Texas Heat.
texas heats do sound better cranked up...as ive heard both vintage 30s and texas heats cranked. The vintages break up way more when cranked up to where the texas heats are solid
Is this comparison really useful? The Eminence would need to to be really cranked to break up properly. I agree with the above the mics should have been placed farther from center.
The Vintage did sound better, but I think this comparison is flawed.
Texas Heat kills the V30 imho. I like the round bassy bottom end warmness and scooped mid sound of the texas heat. The V30 has a tinny cheap sound compared.
Folks, look up the speaker tests at the PalmerGermany channel. They compare lots of speakers, including these 2. The results are a bit different. Overall, the speakers' tones are similar to this test, but whereas the TH sounds sort of anemic here, in the Palmer tests, the V30 sounds unusably nasal.
V30 has a nice sparkle on cleans, but is nasally and hard to listen to overdriven, a feature that would be unbearable at high volumes. The TH has a nice smooth overdriven sound, but has the blanket-over the speaker sound. The Eminence Wizard combines the best features of both, imo.
I think the Celestion handled the clean setting better, and the Eminence was better at the distorted tones, especially when you started playing Master of Puppets.
The Eminence sounded thicker, but that Celestion G12 V30 has a more realistic and clear sound - hard to beat! I'm runnin' G12 V30's in a closed back Mesa cab and open back Fender Concert amp. The V30's sound great in both applications!
wow...I dont know what you all are hearing...The v30 has that top end sizzle,a bit bright,the eminence seems to have a fuller and balanced tone,aside from the amp not sounding like it is dialed in very good...
So, you have both in a 2x12 together? That's actually really useful, especially if you have the means to record multiple tracks simultaneously....maybe pan the bass guitar and bass drum a little to the left and the snare and cymbals a little to the right, then pan the V-30 (mic'ed with a 57) all the way left and the TH (mic'ed with a condenser) all the way right, and you have a perfect stereo mix that is easy to work with and sounds full and rich.
iv got a krankenstein cab with four texas heats in it and it sounds way better than this,iv got a marshall jcm 800,with four celestion 65 watt silverbacks, and the krank with the texas heats blows away the celestions, it does sound alot better than the celestions,massive differance,dont get me wrong the celestion are very good but the texas heats are much better,.
iv got a krankenstein cab with four heat seekers in it and it sounds way better than this,iv got a marshall jcm 800,with four celestion 65 watt silverbacks, and the krank with the heat seekers blows away the celestions, it does sound alot better than the celestions,massive differance,dont get me wrong the celestion are very good but the heat seekers are much better,.
I'm a Celestion boy, but actually here I see how useful the Texas might be in taming a very bright amp. Although it's missing detail, it has a nice warm, even tone. Trebly high gainers could benefit. Might try one.
I don't know that the American-style "Blue Back" speakers are neccesarily intended for the high gain Marshall sound- that is probalby why it sounds so bad. Maybe those blue-back Eminences are made for blues?
Anyway, I am about to get rid of my vintage 30 because of its high-mid spike and lack of presence (the higher treble frequencies that the greenback has). I am considering Eminence's Legend GB128 (from their red back British line) and the Warehouse Guitar Speakers Retro 30.
@christrealized I respect your opinion, but to me the v30 sounds too harsh and fizzy. I honestly do have some hearing loss from doing the band thing, so maybe I have a weird eq in my eardrums if that makes any sense, but I hate a fizzy sound, and in my experience, a "dull" sounding speaker can be dialed in just right with a modern high gain amp (which tend to get harsh and trebly-ly). I think the Celestion Gt-75 sounds like a good mix between both of these great speakers.
I had the same reaction. The Texas Heat sounded like a blanket was draped over the front of the speaker. The Vintage 30 sounded more present and articulate. That's why I like them. V-30's are really nice replacement speakers for some old Fender amps.
@emoboi311 You have to turn up the amp more to correctly drive the texas heat for one it has double the power handling then the 60 watt vintage 30. This is a big difference. It would be ok to compare the vintage 30 with a Eminence wizard only a 20 watt difference which is ok when you get over 50 watt handling. -PK
@emoboi311 Well its all taste but the pv vk 212 is passable not my sound but not crap, but decent and quite versatile without nailing one sound perfectly. -PK
@pastorkev777 too trebly and edgy mids.what i hate so much about youtube guitarists. is theyre all the same always using the bridge pickup on everything...and don't equalize eminence speakers good..if eminence speakers are so bad.?then why did dimebag use them in his kranks? i can't wait till i get marshall jcm 2000...i need one badly
@emoboi311 jcm2000's suck big donkey balls - get one and you'll have nothing but servicing & repair bills. This is coming from someone that repairs these. They are VERY cheaply made.
@jojokeo matter of preference and i have a cheap first act amp and i can make it sound like a mesa boogie..i want a mesa boogie triple rectifier maybe i'll get one
@emoboi311 "what i hate so much about youtube guitarists. is theyre all the same always using the bridge pickup on everything."
I agree. They're Rockers, not Fusionists like Al Di Meola who uses the neck pickup most of the time.
I have a JCM2000 TSL. To be honest; my JCM2000 dosen't sound any better than my AVT50 hybrid; especially with a ME-70 effects unit (with distortion) in front The JCM2000 has a pretty good clean channel, but the distortion, like ALL tube amps, is highly overrated...
The vintage 30 is one of the most respected Heavy Metal speakers in the industry. That being said, the Texas heat was not truely designed for a metal Application. I understand that Dime used them, but a better Eminence speaker for metal testing is the Man-O-War.... Great video btw
I think they are both good speakers but two different animals completely.. I agree with syfman7. You realy can't judge the sound through your computer. I use two V30s and two Eminence screaming eagles in a X pattern and my cab sounds great. Also wee all know the head you use makes a big difference. So any good cab with the texas heats or V30s can't go wrong!!
Both seem to have an upper mid spike, but I just like the frequency at which the spike occurs on the Vintage 30. The extra mids in the Texas Heat make it sound a little boxy to me, while the spike of the Vintage 30 seems to add note clarity and makes the guitar sit better in the mix.
I would love to put a pair like this (one of each) in one of my mahogany & maple (maple baffle and rear panel) 2x12s, the combination of the two would be just the right balance. V-30s alone are decent for that moment in the song where you step the tone "up-front" with a mid-boost for a solo, but for rhythm guitars, they end up forcing you to squeeze the volume to avoid drowning out the vocals. Vocals "live in the midrange", MORE than guitars, most people overlook that and the whole mix suffers.
By many comparings I did, G12T75 ever sounded to me middy and not to much extended in high frequencies. A sort of '80's style-sounding and I don't understand why this speaker is known like a scooped one.
I have a pair of Texas Heat 12's in an Ashdown Fallen Angel DSP60, and let me tell you what, those bad boys are cookin' with grease and lovin' it. I mean they sound crazy good. Every body bitching about how they suck probably has a Fender amp ;)
Wow that Eminence sounded so gritty, compressed and lacking in highs that it really reminded me of the Eminence Governor that I got in 2002. I sold it on ebay after a couple months.
Definitely the v30's win. I was never partial to them by any means, but that texas heat had no presence, no shine in it. I imagine it would be good for a classic rock guy who likes darker tones (I love them myself just not THAT dark) or someone who has a naturally shrill amp/guitar.
The demos were pretty good in my opinion, but if I had to choose an overall winner it would be the Celestion Vintage 30's over the Eminense Texas Heat because even though the Texas heat speakers had more bass output to them (Which I like high bass output) they lacked other frequencies that would cut through the mix so that's why I think the Vintage 30's are the winner in my opinion.
i think to some people the texas heat might sound warmer or smoother, but i think it will go DOWN completely in the mix.. the v30 will be able to make you heard alot better, the bass will drown out the texas heat, no matter how loud you play
and yeah that said, it depends on the amp. if you have a shrill amp like an el84 amp that sounds harsh on its own, then the texas heat can be a solution. if your amp sounds muddy and lacks highs the v30 will be better
I can't believe that the Eminence speakers were mic'd dead center cone, usually dead center has far too much high frequency garble and the clips of the TH just sound like they were mic'd three inches away from center. It's like they don't have much note definition. I like V30's better, but try miking it a little off center for the speaker's signature tone.
@Guitarfreak5253 Yeah I know. I didn't know much at the time of the recording. In fact, I thought micing towards the speaker tone would give more high frequencies.
@JamesFarr1 Good video, especially the Metallica riff at the end. Were both speakers broke in? I like the darker & less fizzy tone of the Eminence but does it have good articulation at high volume & high gain settings? Which one has tighter low end thump? Thanks.
I don't know what to say to that except look at the comments you are getting. Speaker demos over a computer aren't fair to begin with. People listening to them are doing so through their little computer speakers. It is impossible to hear the speaker like you would in person. Anyway, I was not taking a shot at your comparison, it was well done.
@syfman7 What about the comments? I see what you mean about it not being fair now. The sound quality isn't great and I will probably remove this video soon.
@syfman7 I can see laptop speakers not doing any justice to it, but with desktop computer speakers I could hear a VERY obvious difference. I get your point though, but I am just saying that there is such a huge difference between the V30 and the Texas Heat that obviously the V30 is mch better... but if you can't hear it on your computer speakers, then those should be replaced first lol.
@syfman7 For what it's worth, I use headphones when I am listening to gear demos on the computer, the same headphones I use for recording. I may not be able to experience what it's like in person, but neither can someone who is listening to a CD of their favorite band. I am a recording artist much more often than a performing artist, so I like to know how certain speakers do with being mic'ed. This demo was decent, although dead center wasn't the best position for the mic.
@punkeratheart I was not saying anything bad about the demo. The point I was trying to make is two fold. 1: These speakers are completely different. Two: There are many variables when making a recording like this, including the means in which it is played back. I have cabs with Eminence speakers, and cabs with V30's. They both are excellent speakers, and sound great when used for the applications they were designed to do. I do appreciate your response. Keep on making music!
WOW! I figured there would be a pretty noticeable difference between Celestions and other speakers, but that was ALOT! I have 2 4x12 cabs loaded with Emminance M12s. I think I'll replace 2 in each cab with some celestions to balance my sound out. Thanks for the vid!
I use four 16 ohm Swamp Thangs (in an old style upright 4x12 cab) for the middle bass-mids on my bass guitar, previous to these I used many different types of Celestions however the Swamp Thangs handle an honest to God 150 watts each (600 watt cabinet), have an incredible tone and need only a few watts to get really loud
i will say, celestion does make a good sounding speaker, but they just dont last as long as eminence, celestion perposfully makes the glue used weak so that the speakers will break (eventualy, sooner than an eminence)so u need to buy another one.
Mezza's OEM Vintage 30s are made in England, and have a smoother tone. Also remember that most Celestion speakers need around 100 hours playing to break in. Also consider Celestion G12H-30s.
thanks, but im going to buy the eminence black powder. from what ive heard it has some massive punch and hardly ever gets muddy. on top of that it doesnt take anywhere near as much for eminence speakers to break in. lol if it takes 100 hours for celestions to break in i would have to wait for about 8 months for the tone i want. thanks for the info though.
the texas heat has a bit more upper mid but you loose some top end,i perfer speakers that are transparent and do not eq the original sound,the texas heats cut the highs noticeably,hey i can eq with trhe amp controls do not need built in filter from the speaker.vintage 30 wins!
I'm thinking I would like to hear both the Eminence and the Celestion paired with a good tweeter with a crossover. Even more interesting would be the Eminence with the tweeter vs. the Celestion without. If I had my choice of these two as a full range speaker, definitely the Celestion. If one wants warmth, it can added with FX but you can't make warm/muddy sound clear.
hey Joe i hear what your saying,i bult a hybrid guitar cab for a goof turned out pretty good,i used 2 12" horns,2 12" ,and 2 15" speakers, trying to get max range,also i used all different spks and its stereo switchable for a crazy rack setup.about the eninence super v's .i discovered a better spk but you have to buy it in a 2x12,it shares great mids but has better effeciency better range and just better all around,it is the Bugera 2x12 that little cab smokes the V's,and at 200 what a deal! .
Celestion is clearly a winner for me but opinions always differ, and that's good offcourse. I can see why people like the eminences but it's just not my style
The vintage 30's are around 130 bucks a piece the texas heats are 70bucks a piece the texas heats are what they put in the krankenstein cabs if it is good enough for dimebag then it is good enough for me. I am currently running a crate blue voodoo with a marshall cab mg 412 i ordered 4 texas heat speakers to re do an old crate cab I have had for about 20 years I cant wait to get these speakers in and put them to the test.
I got both and its like in that video the celestion is more clear and punchy but the eminence can take more power and sound more warm. it can be a good mix.
I can't seem to make my mind up about the eminence little texas, governor, wizard, cannibis rex, or maybe the legend. All sound good on the site but I want something to work well with my 1998Marshall valvestate 100 combo's Celestion Black and Gold 100 watt 8 Ohm speaker. I love the crunchy vintage sound of it and want a compliment to it in the mid range not so much the top end. Any ideas would be helpful.
before you worry about speakers, man, you if you have the bread to spend, trade that amp in on a real tube amp. i would suggest finding a used Laney Pro Tube 50 (non AOR) because they are dead on JCM800 clones for like $300-$400. seriously, I have owned a valvestate and the more complex your ear gets. the less satisfied you will be with that solid state imposter. the only thing the tube does in that amp is light up!
The Celestion sounds better for the heavy stuff. Much better!
Flatulating 1 day ago
I run a V30 and a Texas Heat in a 2x12 and it sounds killer. The combination of the speakers really compliment each other. The texas heat sounds "papery" when it's not being pushed hard enough. You need to run enough volume from this speaker to get it to sound as good as it can. Don't buy a texas heat for a low wattage 1x12 and expect great results.. unless you always crank the S.O.B.
jnuhjnuh 2 days ago
even though i favor v30s over anything else, but you arent even giving the eminence a chance. you cant leave them at the same eq. you have to set each to their most perfect parameter than record them that way.
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To compare speakers you're supposed to leave them at the same EQ, are you not?
dizafatslag 3 weeks ago
i have been looking into the swamp thang/texas heat combo for my 4x12 anyone try this combo how does it sound i play mainly death metal and drop tunned stuff out of my peavey 6505+ head im lookin for good bottom end and tamed highs if anyone can enlighten me i would appreciate that swapping speakers is a nightmare theres way too many good speakers and combos out there!!
RedNBlacK951 3 weeks ago
@RedNBlacK951 I say try it. I wanna try them in one of my cabs. I think the Texas Heat/Swamp Thang combo kinda sounds like the American voiced counterpart to the Governor/Man O War combo, which is supposed to be similar to the V30/T75 X pattern, if any of that makes sense.
austinfailz 1 day ago
Definitely a more pronounced low mids in the Texas Heat. I have one and
love it for blues and hard rock. The cleans are acceptable if your amp has a bright switch.
It's certainly not a speaker for jazz or where pristine cleans are necessary.
sparkeyjames 3 weeks ago
Both are great in my opinion.
mqm333 1 month ago
boy do i hate peaveys
emoboi311 1 month ago
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I'd rather cut some highs in the mix (v30) than boost frequencies that don't exist (TH). TH has lots of character but no open sound compared to the v30. I prefer the v30 or my 12H30 which delivers a true classic rock tone.
Anyway they are not similar speakers and IMHO they cannot be compared. It is like apples and oranges...
audioware1 2 months ago
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audioware1 2 months ago
texas heat sounds a lot warmer. v 30 sounds cold. v 30 sounds much more managable. neither sound good at all compared to each other, the only solution in this situation is to use both speakers i'd say. texas heat is really the last speaker i'd think of comparing to the v 30. or vice versa, just because i said it like that doesn't mean ones better, i know what you die hard brand fans are thinking.
Killyoudeadnstuff 3 months ago
Well tone is subjective of course. thanks for posting.
my two cents is that the 30 is better on clean, but I like the warmth of the TH.
jb71488 3 months ago
Vintage 30 wins! I couldn't really here the clean parts on either speaker at all since the overall sound was too quiet.
deathgrind1 3 months ago
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deathgrind1 3 months ago
You are comparing apples and oranges, the Patriot series from Eminence are speakers designed for clean, blues and vintage american rock. The Red Coat series are their british imitations and would make an appropriate comparison.
iplayloud2 3 months ago
@iplayloud2 Right!
franz82able 2 months ago
@iplayloud2
Maybe they WERE designed for clean, blues and vintage American rock, but this didn't stop Dimebag playing metal on them. I think the whole point in this comparison was to compare two different speakers? Why the hell are you complaining?
dizafatslag 2 months ago
It's all personal taste that reflects the kind of music you play. The Celestion has brighter highs but using amps like the Egnater Renegade 65, you need a warmer speaker to kill the bitey highs of the lead channel. My Super reverb has ice picky or thin lead high end compared to my old Pro Reverb which is totally different on the high end. Thicker leads are great on the pro. My 72 Marshall need Celestions to ad hi's, my amp is very warm and thick sounding. Gotta go neutral based on needs....
grindinglicks 3 months ago
i had the texas heat speaker wasnt impressed at all
noahtheviking 4 months ago
For me, I don't want my speakers to have any voicing. If I want a brighter sound, or scooped mids, that is what I have EQ for. v30, G12H30, or Jensen Alnico 12
phillyfrankb 4 months ago
i actually like the texas heat more here.
InfiniteMisery003 4 months ago
that vintage30 at the cap makes the distortion sound oposite of creamy
FingerLickinGravy67 4 months ago
The comparison is just that? I don't think it is supposed tobe suggesting the eminence is trying to copy the celestion? The Texas Heat is from the American styled 'patriot' series? I think the Governer was supposed to be near to the g12t75 it is from the british series that are likely supposed to sound more similar to the celestions? Ultimately, with a number of the eminence models you are comparing quite different beasts, given some have over double the power handling of most celestions...
84explorernfutura 5 months ago
I think the Governor is closer to the vintage 30 sound than the texas heats. I'm still researching which ones to use on my next cab.
momay69 5 months ago
The mic isn't positioned correctly . . .
There is a HOLE under the dust cap on a speaker . . .
So, Rather than the speaker's sound being played INTO the mic, It is being played PAST the mic. You don't REALLY hear how the speaker sounds in this demo, but you can hear that the TH has more Low end . . . which sounds like muddiness due to the speaker positioning.
IdimmuXul 5 months ago
Misuse of the TH. Crank it through a Fender Deluxe or Twin and it will sound better. The tones selected here are not what it was designed for.
Prestostark 5 months ago
you can't really compare these speakers. v30 is one of celestions more trebly speakers. texas head is one of eminences least trebly speakers. it's supposed to sound fat, the celestion is supposed to sound clear. it's like comparing tinted glass to normal glass. "oh i can hardly see through the tinted glass." "well yeah but the sun hurts with the normal glass" ya know? i'd like to see the celestion by the man o war or something a bit more similar. i think texas heat i thing is a mixing speaker.
Killyoudeadnstuff 5 months ago
v30
d33ferer 5 months ago
V30 all the way!!! great for versatile setups like metal, blues and rock
yungbubbabush 6 months ago
Been studying this for a while. CV30 wins.
savanahpoole 6 months ago
My very trebley combo has v30's!! I want to replace them with a warmer fatter sounding speaker!? what's a good replacement?
Zhorellski 6 months ago
celestion greenback epic win better than TH and better than V30
laiholapso 6 months ago
celestion..sounds better ..
abengyu112751 6 months ago
the TH sound terrible, v30's are great.
demonbike666 7 months ago
Texas Heat sound more scooped, something like the g12t 75, but without bass frquence..
ersemola 7 months ago
No contest at all , the V30 smokes the texas heat. I am so glad that is one of the speakers I own. that and the celestion G12k 85 which are very similar. I'd like to hear a the v30 go up against the eminence swamp thing cuz the texas heat just sucks. thanks for the demo
spicecrop 7 months ago
of course the celestion is going to sound better. it cost 130 and the TH cost 75 like wtf is wrong wit u ppl. That doesnt mean that the eminence sounds bad anything is better than the valveking stock speakers
ecgedsel 8 months ago
@ecgedsel that's like saying an ipod will sound better then a sony mp3 player or something. you can charge more for something when it's more popular, and don't have to worry about making it better. the celestions are made in china and cost more then the american made eeminences. celestion is making bank, sitting on there asses like real estate agents. not saying either of these sound better, they can't be unsed in the same situations.
Killyoudeadnstuff 5 months ago
@Killyoudeadnstuff gonna make a point you can get uk made celestions even the v30, trust me i know these are different pitched. you have to remember the exchange rate, the pound is 25% stronger than the usd. a uk made celestion costs more because of this. now my thought on eminence is that their speakers are chincy sounding usualy and i have yet to find one i like, i use tayden btw hand wound uk speakers, but hey different strokes for different folks.
sgbigsby1989 5 months ago
It seems as though the Eminence lacks the headroom compared to the V30. Other than the only real difference thats noticeable here is the slightly fatter tone of the Texas Heat.
ScreamynDemon 8 months ago
Sorry but I think they both sound like ass through that amp.
D1m3b4gD4rr3ll 8 months ago
V30's are harsh and spikey, I've always though that
LabelBob 8 months ago
texas heats do sound better cranked up...as ive heard both vintage 30s and texas heats cranked. The vintages break up way more when cranked up to where the texas heats are solid
18266609 8 months ago
I liked Eminence better!
njarnjas 8 months ago
Is this comparison really useful? The Eminence would need to to be really cranked to break up properly. I agree with the above the mics should have been placed farther from center.
The Vintage did sound better, but I think this comparison is flawed.
sailorsgh 9 months ago
Do you have a Swamp Thang comparison video?
Forgoten214 9 months ago
dude that sounded fucking clean even on the overdrive
emoboi311 9 months ago
Texas Heat kills the V30 imho. I like the round bassy bottom end warmness and scooped mid sound of the texas heat. The V30 has a tinny cheap sound compared.
LightningTheRide 9 months ago
i vote v30 but they both sound good for the last riff!
Iamboott 10 months ago
Folks, look up the speaker tests at the PalmerGermany channel. They compare lots of speakers, including these 2. The results are a bit different. Overall, the speakers' tones are similar to this test, but whereas the TH sounds sort of anemic here, in the Palmer tests, the V30 sounds unusably nasal.
fretbuzz59 10 months ago
eminence texas heats are built for southern rock
DBSoloman5000 11 months ago
lp+texas heats + marshall head sound amazing
trivium192 11 months ago
V30 has a nice sparkle on cleans, but is nasally and hard to listen to overdriven, a feature that would be unbearable at high volumes. The TH has a nice smooth overdriven sound, but has the blanket-over the speaker sound. The Eminence Wizard combines the best features of both, imo.
Coonstev 11 months ago
I think the Celestion handled the clean setting better, and the Eminence was better at the distorted tones, especially when you started playing Master of Puppets.
beholdthecakola 11 months ago
Vintage 30 kicks ass
joelbyrne 1 year ago
The Eminence sounded thicker, but that Celestion G12 V30 has a more realistic and clear sound - hard to beat! I'm runnin' G12 V30's in a closed back Mesa cab and open back Fender Concert amp. The V30's sound great in both applications!
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sroberts408 1 year ago
The eminence speakers sound too bassy to me
ChaserHUN 1 year ago
V-30's all the way. Heats have way less crunch in my opinion
schwoogie1 1 year ago
Thanks for the head to head comparison. Great post!
raclarkus 1 year ago
wow...I dont know what you all are hearing...The v30 has that top end sizzle,a bit bright,the eminence seems to have a fuller and balanced tone,aside from the amp not sounding like it is dialed in very good...
RtroyD 1 year ago
v-30's ftw
mikevmpr3 1 year ago
So, you have both in a 2x12 together? That's actually really useful, especially if you have the means to record multiple tracks simultaneously....maybe pan the bass guitar and bass drum a little to the left and the snare and cymbals a little to the right, then pan the V-30 (mic'ed with a 57) all the way left and the TH (mic'ed with a condenser) all the way right, and you have a perfect stereo mix that is easy to work with and sounds full and rich.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
omg the Eminence is ridiculous...V30 all the way
AndreNieri 1 year ago
iv got a krankenstein cab with four texas heats in it and it sounds way better than this,iv got a marshall jcm 800,with four celestion 65 watt silverbacks, and the krank with the texas heats blows away the celestions, it does sound alot better than the celestions,massive differance,dont get me wrong the celestion are very good but the texas heats are much better,.
washyburn5 1 year ago
iv got a krankenstein cab with four heat seekers in it and it sounds way better than this,iv got a marshall jcm 800,with four celestion 65 watt silverbacks, and the krank with the heat seekers blows away the celestions, it does sound alot better than the celestions,massive differance,dont get me wrong the celestion are very good but the heat seekers are much better,.
washyburn5 1 year ago
celestion wins
doineedoneofthese81 1 year ago
I'm a Celestion boy, but actually here I see how useful the Texas might be in taming a very bright amp. Although it's missing detail, it has a nice warm, even tone. Trebly high gainers could benefit. Might try one.
zombielolocaust 1 year ago
I don't know that the American-style "Blue Back" speakers are neccesarily intended for the high gain Marshall sound- that is probalby why it sounds so bad. Maybe those blue-back Eminences are made for blues?
Anyway, I am about to get rid of my vintage 30 because of its high-mid spike and lack of presence (the higher treble frequencies that the greenback has). I am considering Eminence's Legend GB128 (from their red back British line) and the Warehouse Guitar Speakers Retro 30.
StratMatt777 1 year ago
OMG the Vintage 30 blows away the Texas Heat.. TH fails in comparison.. sounds dull.. almost muted. Thanks for the post.
christrealized 1 year ago 13
@christrealized I respect your opinion, but to me the v30 sounds too harsh and fizzy. I honestly do have some hearing loss from doing the band thing, so maybe I have a weird eq in my eardrums if that makes any sense, but I hate a fizzy sound, and in my experience, a "dull" sounding speaker can be dialed in just right with a modern high gain amp (which tend to get harsh and trebly-ly). I think the Celestion Gt-75 sounds like a good mix between both of these great speakers.
ctalbert1 1 year ago
@christrealized
I had the same reaction. The Texas Heat sounded like a blanket was draped over the front of the speaker. The Vintage 30 sounded more present and articulate. That's why I like them. V-30's are really nice replacement speakers for some old Fender amps.
robsocalrob 1 year ago
@christrealized i like eminence alittle more sometimes because it is more thrashy..
emoboi311 8 months ago
@emoboi311 You have to turn up the amp more to correctly drive the texas heat for one it has double the power handling then the 60 watt vintage 30. This is a big difference. It would be ok to compare the vintage 30 with a Eminence wizard only a 20 watt difference which is ok when you get over 50 watt handling. -PK
pastorkev777 7 months ago
@pastorkev777 especially on a fucking shitty ass amp like a damn peavey
emoboi311 7 months ago
@emoboi311 Well its all taste but the pv vk 212 is passable not my sound but not crap, but decent and quite versatile without nailing one sound perfectly. -PK
pastorkev777 7 months ago
@pastorkev777 too trebly and edgy mids.what i hate so much about youtube guitarists. is theyre all the same always using the bridge pickup on everything...and don't equalize eminence speakers good..if eminence speakers are so bad.?then why did dimebag use them in his kranks? i can't wait till i get marshall jcm 2000...i need one badly
emoboi311 7 months ago
@emoboi311 jcm2000's suck big donkey balls - get one and you'll have nothing but servicing & repair bills. This is coming from someone that repairs these. They are VERY cheaply made.
jojokeo 7 months ago
@jojokeo matter of preference and i have a cheap first act amp and i can make it sound like a mesa boogie..i want a mesa boogie triple rectifier maybe i'll get one
emoboi311 7 months ago
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@emoboi311 "what i hate so much about youtube guitarists. is theyre all the same always using the bridge pickup on everything."
I agree. They're Rockers, not Fusionists like Al Di Meola who uses the neck pickup most of the time.
I have a JCM2000 TSL. To be honest; my JCM2000 dosen't sound any better than my AVT50 hybrid; especially with a ME-70 effects unit (with distortion) in front The JCM2000 has a pretty good clean channel, but the distortion, like ALL tube amps, is highly overrated...
TheTranslator100 6 months ago
should compare it to a Eminence Cannabis Rex :) then see which one rules :)
Fender1976uk 1 year ago
The vintage 30 is one of the most respected Heavy Metal speakers in the industry. That being said, the Texas heat was not truely designed for a metal Application. I understand that Dime used them, but a better Eminence speaker for metal testing is the Man-O-War.... Great video btw
biglhot75 1 year ago
texas heat sounds gross
5Spekter 1 year ago
You know, before the vid started, i was biased towards the V30, but now im not so sure....
Geetarfrik 1 year ago
V 30 rules this comparison easily.
lukesteele1 1 year ago
the texas heat is nothing like a vintage 30.
this is an apples to oranges test.
blacktoothgriner 1 year ago
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whoisthenext1 1 year ago
you have to mic the outer part of the V30 in order to capture it's full tone.
tybbz 1 year ago
Is it just me or does the eminence give u that sort of muted slayer tone? And I know they use g12k-100, cause I have the cab kerry uses
dsl100stack 1 year ago
I think they are both good speakers but two different animals completely.. I agree with syfman7. You realy can't judge the sound through your computer. I use two V30s and two Eminence screaming eagles in a X pattern and my cab sounds great. Also wee all know the head you use makes a big difference. So any good cab with the texas heats or V30s can't go wrong!!
tonysarrio 1 year ago
The celestions are to harsh sounding,The Em TH's sound way better a more mellow rounded sound.
cast390 1 year ago
The V30 will cut through in a mix better than the Eminence.
funkyjones 1 year ago
Patriot a LOT warmer while V30 sound more punchy.
Zhorellski 1 year ago
pretty simple one is more muffles and the other more crisp. together they make a great combo
1mvi 1 year ago
yikes. in the direct middle, it's gonna sound like crap.
anyways, just picked up a cab with vintage 30's. blows my mind. love it.
41224jason 1 year ago
Vintage 30 sounds better to my ears.
andy92811 1 year ago
Both seem to have an upper mid spike, but I just like the frequency at which the spike occurs on the Vintage 30. The extra mids in the Texas Heat make it sound a little boxy to me, while the spike of the Vintage 30 seems to add note clarity and makes the guitar sit better in the mix.
chrismd465 1 year ago
I would love to put a pair like this (one of each) in one of my mahogany & maple (maple baffle and rear panel) 2x12s, the combination of the two would be just the right balance. V-30s alone are decent for that moment in the song where you step the tone "up-front" with a mid-boost for a solo, but for rhythm guitars, they end up forcing you to squeeze the volume to avoid drowning out the vocals. Vocals "live in the midrange", MORE than guitars, most people overlook that and the whole mix suffers.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
were your settings the same
reaghan55metallica 1 year ago
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whoisthenext1 1 year ago
@whoisthenext1
Most people say the G12T-75 is scooped with little mids.
JamesFarr1 1 year ago 5
@JamesFarr1
Yes I know James but what I listen to aboyt T75 is exactly the opposite thing.
whoisthenext1 1 year ago
@JamesFarr1
By many comparings I did, G12T75 ever sounded to me middy and not to much extended in high frequencies. A sort of '80's style-sounding and I don't understand why this speaker is known like a scooped one.
whoisthenext1 1 year ago
@JamesFarr1 Also the highs are harsh...vintage 30's to me sound way better.
spunknchunky 1 year ago 4
@JamesFarr1
not really... it just has too much high end.... even higher that the vintage 30's.
erdiabolo 1 year ago
@JamesFarr1 I have the G12T-75 and i love them. Ill be borrowing a mic here soon so Ill put up a video on them.
dodgemotorsports1 4 months ago
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blacktoothgriner 1 year ago
i def like the vintage 30's better!
hiian123 1 year ago
anal sex
GallowayJesse 1 year ago
Celestion Vintage 30 FULL and Clear Sound !!!!!!
The Best !
Patriot SHIT
VALVEELEKTRONIK 1 year ago
I have a pair of Texas Heat 12's in an Ashdown Fallen Angel DSP60, and let me tell you what, those bad boys are cookin' with grease and lovin' it. I mean they sound crazy good. Every body bitching about how they suck probably has a Fender amp ;)
brianwurst1234 1 year ago
sounds like the heat is muffled
4ofApocalypse 1 year ago
30 wins all the way
Ibanez650 1 year ago
wich one is best speaker for cab modeling or simulator?
AYONPA 1 year ago
Wow that Eminence sounded so gritty, compressed and lacking in highs that it really reminded me of the Eminence Governor that I got in 2002. I sold it on ebay after a couple months.
StratMatt777 1 year ago
how about a combination of both of them?
tom14854 2 years ago
30's all the way
TheRealJONNYBLAZE 2 years ago
Definitely the v30's win. I was never partial to them by any means, but that texas heat had no presence, no shine in it. I imagine it would be good for a classic rock guy who likes darker tones (I love them myself just not THAT dark) or someone who has a naturally shrill amp/guitar.
RNRDOLL 2 years ago
The demos were pretty good in my opinion, but if I had to choose an overall winner it would be the Celestion Vintage 30's over the Eminense Texas Heat because even though the Texas heat speakers had more bass output to them (Which I like high bass output) they lacked other frequencies that would cut through the mix so that's why I think the Vintage 30's are the winner in my opinion.
zizzleplix 2 years ago
i think to some people the texas heat might sound warmer or smoother, but i think it will go DOWN completely in the mix.. the v30 will be able to make you heard alot better, the bass will drown out the texas heat, no matter how loud you play
GeekG 2 years ago
and yeah that said, it depends on the amp. if you have a shrill amp like an el84 amp that sounds harsh on its own, then the texas heat can be a solution. if your amp sounds muddy and lacks highs the v30 will be better
GeekG 2 years ago
Great demo.. to me the Texas heat doesn't hold a candle to the Celestion..:) It almost sounds muddy in comparison.. thanks for the post
christrealized 2 years ago
The "Texas Heat" sounds like an AM radio!!!!
chrismcgon 2 years ago
I can't believe that the Eminence speakers were mic'd dead center cone, usually dead center has far too much high frequency garble and the clips of the TH just sound like they were mic'd three inches away from center. It's like they don't have much note definition. I like V30's better, but try miking it a little off center for the speaker's signature tone.
Guitarfreak5253 2 years ago 7
@Guitarfreak5253 Yeah I know. I didn't know much at the time of the recording. In fact, I thought micing towards the speaker tone would give more high frequencies.
JamesFarr1 2 years ago
@JamesFarr1 Good video, especially the Metallica riff at the end. Were both speakers broke in? I like the darker & less fizzy tone of the Eminence but does it have good articulation at high volume & high gain settings? Which one has tighter low end thump? Thanks.
ctalbert1 1 year ago
@Guitarfreak5253
Celestion Vintage 30 FULL and Clear Sound !!!!!!
The Best !
VALVEELEKTRONIK 1 year ago
Nice Video. Thanks for putting it up!
belowthesmile 2 years ago
love the texas heats i think they have a warm tone to them
lookingatcrap 2 years ago
Texas Heat is less canny sounding. Two completely different type speakers. Not a fair comparison.
syfman7 2 years ago
@syfman7 Why isn't it a fair comparison then? I did the comparison to show how different the speakers are.
JamesFarr1 2 years ago
I don't know what to say to that except look at the comments you are getting. Speaker demos over a computer aren't fair to begin with. People listening to them are doing so through their little computer speakers. It is impossible to hear the speaker like you would in person. Anyway, I was not taking a shot at your comparison, it was well done.
syfman7 2 years ago
@syfman7 What about the comments? I see what you mean about it not being fair now. The sound quality isn't great and I will probably remove this video soon.
JamesFarr1 2 years ago
@syfman7 I can see laptop speakers not doing any justice to it, but with desktop computer speakers I could hear a VERY obvious difference. I get your point though, but I am just saying that there is such a huge difference between the V30 and the Texas Heat that obviously the V30 is mch better... but if you can't hear it on your computer speakers, then those should be replaced first lol.
ptschafer 1 year ago
@syfman7 For what it's worth, I use headphones when I am listening to gear demos on the computer, the same headphones I use for recording. I may not be able to experience what it's like in person, but neither can someone who is listening to a CD of their favorite band. I am a recording artist much more often than a performing artist, so I like to know how certain speakers do with being mic'ed. This demo was decent, although dead center wasn't the best position for the mic.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart I was not saying anything bad about the demo. The point I was trying to make is two fold. 1: These speakers are completely different. Two: There are many variables when making a recording like this, including the means in which it is played back. I have cabs with Eminence speakers, and cabs with V30's. They both are excellent speakers, and sound great when used for the applications they were designed to do. I do appreciate your response. Keep on making music!
syfman7 1 year ago
Bravo! This is the way a comparison test should be done!
FuchsTone66 2 years ago
@FuchsTone66 Thanks a lot. Would've been better with an audio interface.
JamesFarr1 2 years ago
The vintage 30s sounded fuller and brighter, personally the v30s were better
brapmusak08 2 years ago
Celestion ftw
calamunci 2 years ago
WOW! I figured there would be a pretty noticeable difference between Celestions and other speakers, but that was ALOT! I have 2 4x12 cabs loaded with Emminance M12s. I think I'll replace 2 in each cab with some celestions to balance my sound out. Thanks for the vid!
jawsrock1 2 years ago
i think the Celestion sounded better
ironwolg 2 years ago 2
Cant see the texas heat being much good for live use..
synth002 2 years ago
I use four 16 ohm Swamp Thangs (in an old style upright 4x12 cab) for the middle bass-mids on my bass guitar, previous to these I used many different types of Celestions however the Swamp Thangs handle an honest to God 150 watts each (600 watt cabinet), have an incredible tone and need only a few watts to get really loud
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MYTUBEISAPUSSY 2 years ago
i will say, celestion does make a good sounding speaker, but they just dont last as long as eminence, celestion perposfully makes the glue used weak so that the speakers will break (eventualy, sooner than an eminence)so u need to buy another one.
1withmyself 2 years ago
I have some Celestion speakers that were made in the 70s, and I'm regularly gigging with them.
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MYTUBEISAPUSSY 2 years ago
the vintage 30s are too aggressive for my taste, but the texas heat isnt aggressive enough. i guess ill just have to keep looking :P
Fluffypopcicle 2 years ago
Mezza's OEM Vintage 30s are made in England, and have a smoother tone. Also remember that most Celestion speakers need around 100 hours playing to break in. Also consider Celestion G12H-30s.
zaphodphil 2 years ago
thanks, but im going to buy the eminence black powder. from what ive heard it has some massive punch and hardly ever gets muddy. on top of that it doesnt take anywhere near as much for eminence speakers to break in. lol if it takes 100 hours for celestions to break in i would have to wait for about 8 months for the tone i want. thanks for the info though.
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MYTUBEISAPUSSY 2 years ago
the texas heat has a bit more upper mid but you loose some top end,i perfer speakers that are transparent and do not eq the original sound,the texas heats cut the highs noticeably,hey i can eq with trhe amp controls do not need built in filter from the speaker.vintage 30 wins!
HANDBALLDIEHARD 2 years ago
I'm thinking I would like to hear both the Eminence and the Celestion paired with a good tweeter with a crossover. Even more interesting would be the Eminence with the tweeter vs. the Celestion without. If I had my choice of these two as a full range speaker, definitely the Celestion. If one wants warmth, it can added with FX but you can't make warm/muddy sound clear.
joefunsmith 2 years ago
hey Joe i hear what your saying,i bult a hybrid guitar cab for a goof turned out pretty good,i used 2 12" horns,2 12" ,and 2 15" speakers, trying to get max range,also i used all different spks and its stereo switchable for a crazy rack setup.about the eninence super v's .i discovered a better spk but you have to buy it in a 2x12,it shares great mids but has better effeciency better range and just better all around,it is the Bugera 2x12 that little cab smokes the V's,and at 200 what a deal! .
HANDBALLDIEHARD 2 years ago
Celestion is clearly a winner for me but opinions always differ, and that's good offcourse. I can see why people like the eminences but it's just not my style
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MYTUBEISAPUSSY 2 years ago
The vintage 30's are around 130 bucks a piece the texas heats are 70bucks a piece the texas heats are what they put in the krankenstein cabs if it is good enough for dimebag then it is good enough for me. I am currently running a crate blue voodoo with a marshall cab mg 412 i ordered 4 texas heat speakers to re do an old crate cab I have had for about 20 years I cant wait to get these speakers in and put them to the test.
loaddawg 2 years ago
And the Vintage 30 is made in China !!!!!
Choose an Eminence "The Wizard", it's one of the best speakers on the market.
jp6l6 2 years ago
i think i'le keep my v-30's
lordkram 2 years ago 14
@lordkram amen
calvinstulip 1 year ago
Should be named Texas Terd- V30 dominates
LethalxBeats 2 years ago
I got both and its like in that video the celestion is more clear and punchy but the eminence can take more power and sound more warm. it can be a good mix.
acdc126 2 years ago
for the untrained ear the eminence will compare in the clean tones. but when you up the fur, nothing compares to the refined sizzle of a celestion.
theguitarczar 2 years ago
Thanks for doing this! I've been looking for new speakers.
MrBassDestroyer 2 years ago
No problem. What speakers are you thinking about getting?
JamesFarr1 2 years ago
I can't seem to make my mind up about the eminence little texas, governor, wizard, cannibis rex, or maybe the legend. All sound good on the site but I want something to work well with my 1998Marshall valvestate 100 combo's Celestion Black and Gold 100 watt 8 Ohm speaker. I love the crunchy vintage sound of it and want a compliment to it in the mid range not so much the top end. Any ideas would be helpful.
MrBassDestroyer 2 years ago
before you worry about speakers, man, you if you have the bread to spend, trade that amp in on a real tube amp. i would suggest finding a used Laney Pro Tube 50 (non AOR) because they are dead on JCM800 clones for like $300-$400. seriously, I have owned a valvestate and the more complex your ear gets. the less satisfied you will be with that solid state imposter. the only thing the tube does in that amp is light up!
theguitarczar 2 years ago