Kururunfa 2008 JKF Gojukai Championship Woman Kata 2nd place

[senseiruss]

@gojuryu. I am aware that this video is Kururunfa — it's one of my favorites. And this is a very nice performance of it. In my post, I was replying to another post in this thread by Kinghercules, when I mentioned Kanku (he was referring to a video—elsewhere—of the late, great Shuseki-Shihan William Oliver's Kanku, but he referred to it as Kusanku). Thanks, anyway!

[ThusReliable]

what belt level is this kata? or degree?

[BelloBudo007]

I'm sorry but for me this kata is too labored. It's good to be soft but it desperately needs contrast with some dynamic fast actions. The gedan geri, hips twists and upper cut are just too slow. How the hell did she manage a Silver Medal?

[utiirahma]

@BelloBudo007 True, dude. I wonder how can she got silver medal since the moves are too slow. It's way better to see her with fast and powerful actions.

[BelloBudo007]

@utiirahma - Well I think I have the answer. As someone who has scored gold medals for kata on more than one occasion, I have concluded that it all comes down to how bad the opposition is or how poor the judges are. For the best results of course a combination of the two is best. Sad but true :-(

Mind you, I'm not about to return my medals anytime soon ;-)

Ego is it's own reward.

[navarroc1973]

bonito el kata con sus dificultades obvias, creo que el shiko dachi debe ser mas correcto hecho, mas bajo , lo mismo que el zenkutzo dachi,

La posiciòn bièn hecha hace todo mas veloz y con mas fuerza y peso, pasando a un estado de libre movimiento natural.

La cadera adelante pero no tanto. un poquito si, para marcar territorio.

[gabythaafeer]

@navarroc1973

amigo el siko dachi esta muy bien hecho esta la posicion baja tiene buena postura y el zenkutzo dachi estoy de acuerdo le falta estirar la rodilla de atras y poder bajar mas su posicion pero para mi nada mas por ese detalle es un exelente kata

Esto lo puedo percibir por que soy cinta negra en Karate do.

cualquier comentario te dejo mi correo

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[IEKUKATAKA]

This is in Japan and they view karate differently. Karate is a martial art and kata were a mnemonic tool for technique perpetuation. This woman has talent and has had some training. My question regarding the nature of karate is: Why does no portion of her kata look like a fight? Yet I see kata done by Okinawans and I can clearly see combative techniques. I see some who approach kata with no contrived aesthetic attributes and the entire execution is a fight. THAT is a karate kata!!

[Kinghercules]

@IEKUKATAKA

I understand what you are saying. I was taught that when you do your katas you suppose to vision the fight. Ive been in tournaments where the judges gave me low scores because they didnt like how I did my kata but ppl in the crowd came up to me & said I had the best performance. Most ppl when they do their forms they look like robots. Majority of the Japanese vids Ive seen on here they're technolly precise w/o the spirit. IDK why they do them that way.

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Kinghercules It stems from one simple truth, ignorance of karate and perpetuation of "kyogi te", false karate.

[Kinghercules]

@IEKUKATAKA

Hey did you see William Oliver's video on here?

He does Kusanku kata with spirit. Its nice..

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Kinghercules I watched one of his videos, did not see Kusanku though. Many introduce flash into the study of karate. It is a martial art, flashy stuff will get you killed. He is a good athlete, not very impressive as a karate ka, he perpetuates a flawed message. The following URL shows a traditional kusanku done well as a martial art kata, no flash present anywhere. See Kushanku posted by TodeSakagawa, I believe it is Nashimine.

[Kinghercules]

@IEKUKATAKA

IDK, I have to disagree man. William Oliver was a beast! He won the American Open like 2 0r 3 times and I think he took 5th place at the 1st World Kyokushin Karate Championships.

Check out my man doin Kusunku:2009feb21 Kusanku.

Its not the best but it gives you an idea how we do our forms. I trained under Ki Whang Kim who trained under Toyama Kanken. GM Kim changed a somethings but the forms are still basically the same.

Yeah I seen that video. It was nice!!

[IEKUKATAKA]

@Kinghercules In the 80s, a soccer player placed third in a Tae Kwan Do tournament in Korea. He had never trained in Tae Kwan Do but was quite an athlete. The Tae Kwan Do community was shocked but the message was clear.

[Kinghercules]

@IEKUKATAKA

LOL!!!

Come on now.

What was his name?

What tournament?

Come on now......lets not post BS. If it did happen I bet it wasnt a national tournament. It probably was some local shit.

[ShotokanBleach]

@Kinghercules tae kwon do does okinawan kata? i knew some of the first master went their from formosa and started teaching but i alwats thought the katas(or whatever you call them in tae kwon do) were really different

[Kinghercules]

@ShotokanBleach

Well you have to keep in mind that TaeKwonDo came from TangSooDo which came from Japan. They did create some different katas for TKD in the late 50's but the old school masters that trained in Japan (like mines) disregarded those katas they made up and taught the old Okinawan katas.

[senseiruss]

@Kinghercules

Shuseki-Shihan Oliver is doing "Kanku", (from Kyokushin) not Kusanku, though they may be similar. I agree, though, his kata is great! It actually looks and feels like it could be a real fight! Osu.

[gojuryu]

@senseiruss This is Kururunfa, not Kanku nor Kusanku

[sawadi21]

Great stuff! I was there in Fukuoka at this event! btw to compare women kata standards, check out last years womens wkf finale round - vietnams nguen :) she's a talent indeed :) u train hard and smart..you'll be the best in Asia then the world..

[IEKUKATAKA]

@sawadi21 I wonder, how does being the best in the world relate to being able to execute self defense techniques?

[ccthedragon]

as comment to yorko...; in fact her stances are stable and blocks were good, but there has to be rhytm and speed variation in great kata performance ; she is doing most of her techniques with same speed and 2 slow, and the explosive part is missing. her maegeri kick is weak, more like a snap kick and would not make any harm to any opponent. anyhow she is a skillfull karateka in spite of these defects. it is always easier to critisize than execute, but at this level we expect mastery.

[LuciDoFer]

karate dancers

[ccthedragon]

her movements lack explosiveness, which is part of effective karate. oss.

[yorkokinawankarate]

@ccthedragon

before I read your comment, I thought the exact same thing. Long cry from a Nao Morooka performance. Politics!!!

[PakDaeHan]

@ccthedragon don't ack like you know KARATE, you know jack shit, there is no such thing as oss in karate it is OSU dumbass!

[khmerkic]

Nice kata.

[8153356]

can somebody answer this why in karate they scream loud

[DerSchleifer22]

This Scream ist called "KIAI". It is the Point of the most powerfull technic. You have to focus you full will on this point and concentrate your full power at this.

[Dimitri8147]

the scream is called a kiai, a kiai is where you use all your power from the core to maximise the power of the tecnique and ou releae the power by doing the kiai

[PakDaeHan]

@8153356 it is called kiai spiritual yell!

[DaveSmeds]

I agree as well. I'm sure the counterargument would be that the rhythm of kata is somewhat arbitrary, so why not slow things down even more? But to me, there is a need for a certain briskness. It's like having a fine cup of coffee -- if you let it sit there too long, even in the interest of "savoring it," it gets tepid and doesn't taste as good.

[dandjurdjevic]

I agree with NewEnglandBudo - the kata is well performed in respect of its constituent elements, but the lengthy breaks between techniques rob the form of its essence. It has become a series of disjointed techniques, not a kata. A shame because I think the practitioner is otherwise of the highest level.

[NewEnglandBudo]

Goju kata are made to flow and show a dynamic blend of hard/gentle. Sadly this one is to "posed" for the judges. Too bad kata is becoming so watered down for these competitions. Its like going to a sushi bar and ordering hamburgers.

[MrsMcMac]

My opinion: For goju-ryu it's too weak a bit, not so dynamic for sports and I think that kime is weak too because of weak locking at the end of the punches and kicks.

[HworthX51]

great timing and great performance!

[CHRISTIANRUZZA]

Very good performance.

[SithV1]

That's a good performance. It's key to show off the kata. That means to take your time and treat every move as a finishing technique instead of relying on speed.

[8153356]

thanks now i know

[aeortiz2004]

@SithV1

Agreed with you!