Okay, so you're a fucking idiot. Do you even know what the bill does? It makes it so people have to pay for copyrights from companies that don't even exist and who won't even be very reliable once they are created. You say that this will seperate those who are serious about art and those who aren't. Well the fact that people will have to pay handsomely for copyright will make it practically impossible to make a living off of art. Artists won't work, which will damage the economy largely.
Wow, your an Idiot, First of all the OWA would charge people crazy amounts of money to copy write their work. I don't know about you in Europe or where ever you are. And your cereal bar wrapper isn't art and nobody gives a shit about it.
This is a good example of some one who likes to hear the sound of his own voice. You have not idea what the Orphan Works Act is about. Do your research and then formulate an accurate argument. The Orphan Works Act is the equivalent to any random person working 40 hours a day just to have some rich CEO walk by and take your pay check every week. Try harder next time.
@SagaciousSilence And you must be a friend of Mr. Fox here or you are Mr. Fox and don't want to reply on your main account. No matter really. You just showed every one your opinion does not matter. No disrespect to Mr. Fox if your not him. That would just make you some one who is not intelligent enough to actually articulate an honest opinion and just chose to use insults to try and inflate and underdeveloped ego.
@SagaciousSilence Wow! She defends her side of this and YOU become a racist with an IQ no more than that of a 4 year old. That is so grand, so spectaluar, and so nazi of you SS. Don't be sad, be happy that YOUR insult will be remembered as one of the most viscious & childish comments in all of YT.
Anyone care to flag this "SS", he knows he deserves the fame of being a parasitic prick.
here's the next way that you are an iiidddiiiooottt: whenever several people take your dumb wrapper and produce a piece of art, it is always different in some way. this happens all the time, when several people are all painting the same model. it always comes out uniquely rendered by each artist. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT AT ALL JERK! it is about google and other huge corporations taking all the images that are on the web, for their own huge profits. U R NAIVE AS HELL!
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A STONED IDIOT, since you can't even talk. let alone articulate or think seriously about something so important. people's unique creations are theirs, and all kinds of art has no money value until someone WANTS IT! well the big corporations want it, to steal, for the taking, and that is why they want the orphan act!!!! idddiiiiooottt!
the big problem with it is that now we are protected, so all the art is out there being displayed, and copied by others, so it's orphaned.
I work hard for what I do. And now your gona tell me I should let other people make money off of me! I don't care wether it's a hobbie or not! If someone is gona make money off my hard work I want a share!
one other thing how can you tell Bob who's been painting his life for ever and has been trying to get it sold and then he dies. and now his art is everywhere and people are paying millions for a piece of his work. and you got his family sitting there with no income at all and trying to pay off the debt of the funeral. you have NO IDEA. you can freely say this because your not a artist and at the same time your sitting there saying we're trying to have a ego trip and please stop being a hypocrite
dude are you serious? why would you support his outrageous bill... if you were ANY kind of artist you would know how expensive and how absurd this would be. you have NO IDEA what art is and what the whole bill is about. maybe you should do more research then a few youtube videos... you say its retarded but maybe you should look in the mirror.
Switched off your 'intellectual' argument as soon as you said fat guy! How single minded you are.... learn music and copyright law before you talk about it.... it's currently way above you...and you're not even an artist, so it doesn't include you? so thanks for speaking on behalf of us artists / musician etc... but we'd prefer the world used their moral judgement with reference to stealing art in ANY way shape or form
Dude you know so little about the industry it's laughable.... you're an intelligent chap....I can tell, but being young and bright doesn't give you a natural insight to the complexities of artistic and moral rights.....not until you've got your head in a few books at least. I personally would prefer the world respect they didn't create my art....I did! WITHOUT having to pay for such a privilege!
who makes millions would now be considered a "deserving artist" just because she can afford to pay for this copyright, although she only does it because she wants to, when I am trying to make a living at it.
Ive been working almost all of my life on my artwork, and have no ability to go to a college to learn it, but it has not hindered me in my success as an artist. I am what you would call a "starving artist" working a day job so that I can create art at night.
Art isnt about how much MONEY you HAVE to spend on it in the beginning, because a girl down the street from me who has a daddy
I truly try to offer constructive criticism to every sort of video, but I am at loss of words here, this person contradicts himself time and time again. Seems he simply wanted to get a video out there somehow linked to a valid argument. Sorry buddy, you missed the point all together.
Yeah, let's just hand over all of our rights on a silver platter. How fucking cattle can you be? You're walking yourself into the slaughter house, and they didn't even have to round you up.
So, let me get this straight, your saying that only people who are good RIGHT NOW deserve to keep their work.
What about the potential next great artist, (who's who knows what age) who doesnt even know there own potential? they will have to wait years before they can afford to protect ONE PIECE! this act will destroy any hope for any possible professional artists.
No one is going to want to use your stupid fucking cereal bar. If you were dumb enough to sue, any judge would throw that case out. Artists that don't care can't sell their crappy art, even if they wanted to. In addition, as it stands you can use anyone's art as long as you're not trying to making money.
ALL this bill does is allow those with more money to steal opportunity from those without any. All it's designed to do is broaden the financial gap.
While you do raise a good point about weeding out the amateurs, you miss one point. Allowing even amateur artists to hold copyright and require payment for the use of their work helps professionals in the same way that labor unions keep prices even to ensure that no professionals will be shut out. While I can't support the act in its current form, you certainly raise some interesting points. No doubt it's a touchy issue.
I don't know if that was a rant or you're serious. But if you ARE serious, then do something for art and try painting insted, cause filming videos and making bar wraps sculptures aren't your bright side. When i hear you, i wanna vote for legalizing abortion -_-'
I wonder when you're gonna understand that with this law everything you'll ever make can be used commercially without your permission.
In other words you peacefully agree to get your ass owned. Have a nice life.
The Federal Reserve says "foreign currency is legal tender in the US". Trade in every dollar you own! The US government lowered interest rates in Bank accounts to 0%. Yet they make prices skyrocket with inflation. There is no obligation as an American citizen to play this game. Use foreign currency on US soil! America produces no money suitable for our uses.
I'm going to admit the argument coparing art and inventing was interesting, and you did make a good point.
However, art is a progress. So, all those skeches someone does willy nilly could add up to somthing great. If someone buys a copywrite on a piece of art, but not the sketches that led up to it, then the sketches could still be stolen.
The cereal wrapper example was nothing short of idiotic and shows YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT: IT IS NOT ABOUT THE VALUE YOU PUT ON IT, BUT THE PROFIT SOME ONE ELSE CAN TURN OFF YOUR WORK (NAMELY, UNCREATIVE CORPORATIONS)
If you sued someone for imitating your trash art it wouldnt stand up in court. You cant sue because someone elses art looks similar
If the art is not valuable nobody will steal it. If the art is stolen by someone else that proves that it had value.
Take an artist who has produced, say 100 high quality commissioned peices and posted them on the web- as soon as this bill goes into place he's forced to shell out, say 1000 dolars to protect his work from being stolen by others?
Unfortunately you have completely missed the point of this act. Clearly you have no idea what it's like being an artist (and don't do the finger quotation mark when you say the word artist, it makes you look really stupid)... I could sit here and explain why supporting this act is bad, but that's not gonna change anything, is it?... Good luck getting bashed on by the rest of the world for things you don't understand.
yah none of what this guy makes any sense towards the protection of the artist. This bill is just so coporate douchebags can take people's art for free off the internet and make tons of money off it and give none of it back to the artist and the only way to stop that would be to NEVER showcase your art or spending A LOT of money buying copyrights.
ALSO NO ONE WOULD EVER CONSIDER A PIECE OF GARBAGE AS ART!
I understand what you are trying to say. However, "automatic copyright" as our current laws are, protects the artist BECAUSE art is so broad. You putting a label/judgment on someone's "doodle" is subjective. What if the doodle suddenly makes money? Dilbert started off as a doodle. If it was stolen, and lots of money was made off of it, well too bad for Scott Adams because he didn't buy the copyright for it. No, that's wrong. The Orphaned Works Art law is BS man.
this doesn't make any sense... there's a reason no one is for the orphan art act.. because it's absolutely idiotic.. and you've pretty much just proved it.
"im a poor artist drawing and writing stories and hopefully this ill make me money unless someone steals it leaving me poor its like plagiarism" see the situation
Unfortunately your arrogance and ignorance is not indeed backed up by a strong in depth understanding of copyright and patent law. Because if in doing so you would realize there are specific needs for patents OVER copyright and also that the capacity and 'timeframe' that a copyright on a work of art can be unlawfully manipulated etc is a different story to that of making a replica piece of existing technology. As with any start up businesses, artist are creating with the intent to make a living
dude us "artists" work fucking hard everyday to create great pieces.
you only appreciate still art?
ok fair enough, each to thier own, but every piece is important, fantasy art, anime art, portraits, landscape the whole lot, its important to us, its expression and freedom of speach.
EVERYONE DESERVES COPYRIGHT!
i do art for fun, but im also seriouse about it because i want to one be a game character designer and animator, so shut the fuck up you noob.
You forget the art students, the critical point before become a professional when you work nearly as hard better yourself but are still paid next to nothing. Also the professionals ARE against the Orphan Bill, they don't want to pay for copyrights and they know how to act when they see other's rights being taken away.
clearly you are not an artist and you are not american. who are you to judge the creativity of a human being. that is the one true thing that an individual can have that is truly FREE.
ITS BASICALLY SAYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR OUR THOUGHTS.
and remember no matter what you see, hear, watch, in any type of media or medium it is CREATED by an artist of some type. the video camera your using, that dorky jacket your wearing down to your lame haircut, someone CREATED it.
But your not thinking about what "Pay Money" means. How much Money? There is no standard on what the fess will be. Plus if you already paied the copy right office, you will have to pay again to a comertial registry, which is insane.
And yes, currently when u create something it is ur, but u can't take someone to court AND SUE THEM, you can not seek finacla cocipation unless you registered with the copy rights office.
THIS GUY IS A MORON!...Protecting what is yours IS about ego but guess what?? It is your human RIGHT to have an ego and not have it forcibly stripped from you...that includes everything personal that YOU deem valuable to YOU! It shouldn't have to bring a profit to be defensible, otherwise you are trodding down the lines of Fascist ideas. Once you open that nasty door, it becomes a PRECEDENT to later infringe on other things that are "YOURS".
inventors need to copyright their ideas because they are waiting until they can make a final product, they invention itself. when an artist makes a work of art, that work is the final product. its not abstract or unrefined. whether its a painting on a canvas, a sculpture made of clay, or a video recording on a tape, its very much a concrete exsistance that belongs to its creator...
artists don't become professional UNTIL they are making a living from their art. How would an ameteur make the transition to being a professional artist if, according to u, they don't deserve to be paid for their art?
what if a person who is flat broke paints like titian? i guess he shouldn't be paid either cause he's not "serious" enough to pay for a copy right?..
and yeah, people do create art so they can feel special..it's called self expression, its why i live.
You're not accounting for the undue burder of the sudden imposition of registry costs (both time and money) on professional artists on all of their created works from years back. It's like making artists dig out their income tax forms from every year they've ever worked, documenting items from them, and paying a lot of money to do it. All to protect them from someone else from profiting from their work. And to what good end?
Who the hell are you to say that only "pros" deserve copyright protection? Do you realize that even professionals are at risk for being ripped off under this law? And what about people working towards being pro who get ripped off? People who might have to deal with this in a court of law aren't even guaranteed compensation because big corporations have both the means and the desire to make it hard as fuck for anyone to get anything out of them. Unless you're rich. Which most of us are not.
I hope you realize how idiotic you sound. You definitely do not realize the whole situation and the problems this Orphan Bill causes. Please do world a favor and keep your "intelligence" inside your head and do not bother us "pathetic artists"
Hahahaha unfortunately this guy is so busy tryin' to prove to himself he's smart that he's completely overlooked the fact that his IQ is below freezing temperature... I cant even conjure up a word right now that sums up how THICK this guy is.
Photographers who take about 100 pictures a day... Would have to spend thousands of dollars every week to protect their images. They can't even show their unprotected pictures online to promote themself or some of their pictures may end up in a couple of magazines the week after.
The Act is great for webdesigners, webdirectors, all great media corporations (book, magazine so on so on). Instead of having to go and pay artists for pictures and stuff they need they'll just roam the internet and whatever they find laying around that isn't registered they just grab. Maybe not all. They can take the picture, change it a little, crop it, cut it, color it. And then publish it. THEY WILL MAKE A TON OF MONEY!
When You are jumping into subject of "property" please gain at least basic knowledge. That includes of course Karol Marks works and definition of "work alienation".
Second, when You decide what art is and what it isn't, please also get know about some basic concepts in philosophy!
Third learn some good manners with addressing ppl.
Finally. I live in Poland, and I do remember communism pretty well, and how it worked. And all i can say, is that You have absolutely no idea about the consequences.
wow, you're retarded. Basically you're saying that we can't own what we make? This is America, and last I knew, we can own our own property, and to pay to own stuff, are you kidding me? I'm going to take your video, and call it mine? I mean really.
Maybe people don't want others to have their artwork... Remember, this isn't the Soviet union here.. think about it.
I applaud the maker of this video for his comedic talent. Keeping a straight face, and such a dull, monotone throughout must take considerable talent.
As a professional artist, I have taken the time to research the Orphan Art Act. What disturbs me more than the notion of freely utilizing anything that hasn't been registered is that the copyright office is not willing to manage registries themselves. In fact, through the private sector, an unlimited number of companies could supply registry services. This fosters an environment such that even if you take the time to register your work, it could be lost in one of thousands of private registries.
Are you for real? I'm almost hesitant to post b/c not only am I sure that you're not going to read this, but you are probably getting a kick out of all the comments you are getting.
Right now, there are no registries for artist to copyright their art, and the government has not made any effort to create one.
I have friends, "professional" artists, that have had their work stolen. Basically, someone took their work and sold it to companies. All of it was settled easily and quickly after they contacted the companies, but now, how are they supposed to stop it?
What will happen is companies will start seeking out art that isn't copyrighted, so people that actually go and register their work lose money and not get any in return due to lack of business.
Certainly, this won't be a problem for well-known artists or designers, but what about people in traditional and digital art that are new to the field?
Many artists simply don't have the money to copyright everything they do. This will stop art from being shared on the internet since they'll be too afraid to put anything up that might be snagged by corporate cheapskates.
i am not the kind of person who goes around judging people (but seriously...still life?)and leaving mean comments on videos...but this one really pissed me off. you. are. an. idiot.
its been stated enough why...but i would also like to say that you obviously have no connection, support or intrest in art or artists. because if you did you wouldn't be attacking the intrisic right to own that what you create. period.
PS: I am an european graphic artist from the videogame industry. So I make my living through my artwork - and I can say that I am very insulted by your opinions Sylvester. Yout attitude is the same thing that led the US into what it is today!
Did anyone even think about the possibility that the main target of this law would be the profit made by registering artworks? They pull the classic USA fearmongering tactics again, they scare people that their art could be stolen - and the people will pay to register it. It is so simple.
You're an idiot. You have no concept of the exploitation that's on the way. Photographers, graphic artists, videographers - all new media artists - as well as traditional artists, will now be at risk of having their work product stolen. Patent protects the uniqueness of an invention by excluding others from copying it. It's different from copyright, which affirms authorship of original creative work. Calling a wrapper art and inventing a tooth brushing dildo, you wouldn't know the difference.
I'm sorry, but you're dense. Loss of ego? How about loss of pay. How about I steal every paycheck you make. See how much you enjoy that. That's what this bill amounts to. My art is my income. It's my livelihood. Many artists make money off their art. So how about you pull your head out of the sand and actually look at the bill.
This is absurd. Art is work, time and effort. Someone using it, without paying for it is not a blow to someone's ego, its stealing someone's hard earned money for their artwork. If someone wants to use something, it must be payed for, period. No one should have to pay to protect their work from being stolen.
Imagine you have to pay to register the fact that you have done a hard days work at the... I dunno, walmart or donut store or wherever you work. I am a professional designer. I work, and I am payed because I own the copyright to my work.
Idiots like you who support the bill are stealing money from my children. Shame on you.
As soon as someone wants whatever someone created it has value. It's also about ideas. You don't want your ideas stolen, so you write them down and date them, so if someone steals it, you can sue their asses. The law worked fine the new law will only benefit the artists that are not starving and the starving ones, well, they'll starve even more.
Unfortunately, there are many very talented artists (who are embarrassed that there are artists in the world who do take dumps and call them art) who have dedicated their lives to their work and do make a living off of their work who would not be able to pay fees for every piece of art they produce.
Further, there are also many people who arrogantly call their dumps art and have a shitload of money (pun intended) to spend on registering whatever crap they come up with.
Seriously the guy appreachiates still life the art 101 so he clearly has little understanding of the art world and what the law would do for restricting creative freedom in this 21st century. Imagine all the art on the web being public domain overnight.
Only people stand to profit from this law are the corporations looking to get around the current copyright laws and the registration places. All the artist big and small are screwed in the name of the all mighty dollar.
The Issue is real and the move for it big. We as artists have to take this out of the govs hands and get to it ourselfs. Take the responsibility if we take our art serious. For that part you are right. But having everything up for free grabs when a cursiory first internet search came up blank and havoing to pay for registering art is totally out of the question.
Registering everything I produce is fucking impossible if I hve to pay five bucks for it. Take sculpting and for me bodypainting. Do I need to make one picture registered and all other perspectives of this bodypainting are also protected? And what kind of proof do I have to produce that the art I gegister is mine? Original Sketch? I do digitally most of my stuff these days. Photographs? First print? How´d ya know?
Right on the part of seperating serious and non serious artists and, unfortunatly, also right seperation in terms of artists relying on ther art for income. The big problem is that ppl or corps with money can pour BIG LOADS of money this way and claim "orphaned art" at the max if there´s an easy online rollup service even if money is involved. Registry provided by companies or gvm offices takes at least some money. Some artists make bare minimum.
If I creat something it is mine. I don't expect my government to give something I worked hard to creat to big bussiness for free (which is what they're doing) just because I can't afford protection.
Every artists starts out like that, and gains notoriety. But if they can't prove that it's their art, then that path is closed to them.
And sorry, "unfortunate enough to make a living off art"? Most of the things in the room you recorded were art. If people don't get payed for it they probably won't make it.
"the current laws are totally retarded, in my opinion".
Well then scrap all the laws, don't make it so that everyone has to pay to own their own ideas.
ART SHOULD BE FREE! No one should be allowed to copyright a sunrise, birdsong or genetic code. It doesnt matter what ownership they award themselves over it, they can never be allowed to create a system which enslaves people to that system. Even the most inventive people are guilty of this.
So what you're saying is that you don'yt mind if I download all of your uncopyrighted videos, claim that you never returned my emails & therefore couldn't be contacted, get a copyright for them, & then issue you a lawsuit for using your own videos because Orphaned Works allowed me to copyright them under your nose?
You are not the authority on this issue, and need more research. You assume that the artists watching this are not serious, yet you do not personally know that to be fact. If we are taking the time to look at any and all things related to the act, clearly we care about it and are serious about it. The cereal bar example is ineffectual, as copyright goes to the designer of the package who most likely went to school to form an understanding of effective visual communication and design principles.
Posted by some fat guy....real mature way to start things out, you've already discredited yourself.
If I don't want anyone to use my work for any reason, that's my call, not the governments. Regardless of the "diligent search" they claimed to have done if they cant find me they have no right to use my work, it's stealing, plain and simple. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, I must have SOME credibility in what I'm saying otherwise you wouldn't be spending your time watching my video and then commenting. Unless you're the sort of person who responds to spam emails or simply cannot live knowing that someone somewhere said something they disagree with.
You're a fucking, a FUCKING RETARD. Why should an artist PROVE that he's "serious"? Why should an artist PAY FUCKING MONEY for what they create? They've already paid for materials, they've already paid time to actually do the work, they've already invested energy into this piece, and now they have to pay MORE to prove they're seriousness?!
This is an outrage! This isn't about seriousness, this is about proper ownership of REAL art, not cereal wrapers which WOULDN'T stand up in court.
I agree with you about it's unfair inventors have to pay. But it also makes it almost impossible for starting out because the cost per page are expensive. And what if someone art which is done for free is taken and used for something they don't support.
the bill doesnt separate people who are serious about art and who arent, it separates those with money and those without. it only benefits big businesses, and serves to hurt small businesses and individuals who sell photos, even if they dont do it often.
You just don't get it. You just make it worst too. I think this is way over your head and you can't see it. You are too narrow minded to see the big picture.
A invention is not a personal creation of art. Its an idea made to create a item. Something planed out and calculated. Art is nothing like that. Its much deeper and personal.
I guess large corporations that shit on people at any cost are fine and should be left alone.
Its about what is yours. Not making the rich richer.
What is art, if not an idea transferred onto paper or marble? If you want to really get technical about it then art is nothing more than applying certain colours in certain patterns onto a sheet of paper, or lumping clay together into a certain shape. They're just as personal.
And don't give me that "my creations are art, but your creations are simply a source of income" crap. As someone studying to be an engineer, I consider inventions to be just as personal.
The orphaned works bill isn't even really about art, it's about giving corperations the right to use other people's art for free, since most people can't afford nor want to fill out the paperwork to get a copyright on every single thing they've created.
No guessing required. As someone who's great-grandfather died in a concentration camp I'm somewhat used to elitist pricks using the race card when they don't have their way.
Okay then... what gives people the right to take away others work against their will? To some that is their life. You don't know how hard they worked for it, what was involved or even what the worth of it is. But you are so quick to spew out bullshit that you think makes sense. It doesn't! You are playing in an area you have no clue in.
Your inventor argument is very, very weak! Goes back to being educated. Good luck with that.
You should do come research. Your in over your head.
Ok, why is the inventor argument weak? How is it any different to being a professional creativity whore? You enjoy creating art? Great, then you shouldn't have a need for copyright as you're not making a profit from it. Want to make it into a career? Fine, then you're no different to a white-collar statistic sitting in a cubicle somewhere, go pay for your copyright. If you have to pay for such basic things as electricity and the police saving your ass, why not copyright?
For a stay-at-home artist, buying a copyright for every piece will make you loose profit. To compensate, artists will raise their prices & less people will buy, especially with the economy the way it is.
You really have no sympathy for people that have such little money they can't afford another act such as this. Definitely when regarding the comments made by the user "SexyAelita". We are slowly losing money for more important things, and you don't care. You also show no respect for kids as I can see by those comments. We have a lot more potential than you think.
do not support this bill. If you support it then you are taking money away from myself, my family and hurting my career. Graphic designers already have a shit load of stuff to pay for as supplies and now we have to protect ourselves from moronic internet stealers. The candy wrapper analogy is similar but means nothing. Also you would have to say you have the copyright over the company who made the wrapper cause under current laws, there is an approximate 50% rule for lots of cases. Dumbass!
why are defending corporate theft? the reason people are upset about is because they will have to pay to keep an idea, some people already have copy rights to their and if this passes they'll have to get again
this is a bad idea and people are not against it because they want to feel special but because we shouldn't have to pay copy right to every thing we create
I guess, by your reasoning, I could copy music and movies then sell them out the back of a van. All its hurting is the ego of the producers. Right? I do, however, agree with you that its unfair for an inventor to have to pay for a patent when they have, ideally, done more work than a typical artiest. Still, don't you think you're going the wrong way? Perhaps patent laws should be more lenient.
Uh.. no, it's protecting big corporations who can afford to copyright their art ans simply STEAL people's art that can't be copyrighted. Creation is a gift that some people have and others don't. So someone who can't even draw a tree can simply take someone else's rendition of a tree and get credit for it? No thanks.
If someone is not willing to simply negotiate with the artist for something he wants to use, that is plain lazy.
We should call this the "Not Even A Thank You bill"
This bill is about those who don't want to bother with the human side of creativity. ...they also don't want to work hard at creating themselves, they want to cut-and-paste off the internet.
I won't have this. I won't let this bill pass.
SylvesterFox, I find your view of artists and their "hobby" very condescending.
What about people like me? I'm not legal yet, but I am writing a novel. I also put pictures of my characters on the internet for compliments and helpful critisism. But I am unable to pay for all of this, I forgot why... Oh yeah, my family has to support a man with terminal cancer, we have to pay for an oxygen machine, hospice, and several trips to the ER. Screw you.
There's no age limit on being published is there? Besides, it isn't done yet, it takes years to finish a real book, not some 25-page baby novel. And on top of that I couldn't get a job AT ALL even if I was old enough because my dad needs someone there in case he stops breathing or something.
This guy sounds like a young punk who wants to be a rebel and piss people off. Sir, you have the right to your thoughts and also to voice them but if this act does pass I hope it comes to bite you in the a.hole one day so you can realize how stupid you are. Not everyone can pay for every little thing they create. Think about the starving artist who are trying to survive off of their art but cant afford to protect what they create.
One point was made about seperating the serious artist from those who arent serious however ...What about the serious ones who are doing something with it and has it already copyrighted ? They will have to pay a second time ??? It's bullshit to the fullest...Just another way for corporate or the rich to get richer bottome line
Sure, why not. It's just as likely to make me rich and famous as the creations of half the people who commented here, yet I'm not going to be absurdly overprotective of it. If you like the idea, go for it, I give it to the public domain, just like everything I do on the internet.
inventing is different from art, we need our copyrights because we make a hell of a lot more art than you guys invent, and if EVERY artist had to pay for EVERYTHING they made, there would be a HUGE lag in "copyright offices" like there is in the patent office, so no, the Orphan Act is wrong and is a theory that only looks good on paper to the few individuals who never make art like true artists do
you're not an artist are you? i write! i really want my copyright without having to pay to get it! please! understand! besides, if someone wanted to take someone else to court for all of your "reasons" they would not be able to, because that person would probably not have enough money to even take the case to court in the first place nor have the resources to win such a case
It's OK, you have no brain. Probably you just tried to appear like you know something bout copyright, quite interesting. But unfortunately you managed do exactly the opposite.
You mentioned that artists that just draw for fun don't deserve a copyright. I know an asrist who has a set of characters and makes up stories for them and stuff. She is very emotionally involved with them. However, if some company stole them and used them in a tooth paste add, she would be devistated. She would be the girl who draws toothpaste characters and not the girl with the cool ideas. There is the problem of you being seen as a copier instead of a creator.
What the bill is proposing is to create MULTIPLE registries for the same work to be registered on. Each one would charge the artist a sum, and, if a person that ripped off a piece of art only searched one engine and that one happened to be the one you couldn't afford to register your work on, they could claim they "searched reasonably" and not pay you at all, even if you took the time to register. Makes more sense to pay the $45 copyright fee we have right now, huh?
Such as, if you worked REALLY hard on a term paper that was a pass of fail for the class, and some kid stole the file from you right before you were to print it out, so when the you gave it to the teacher, they say you stole it.
Does that sound fair?
Then why should artists who put work and effort into something have to pay a fucking FEE to something they CREATED.
The difference here is that I wouldn't put my term paper up for everyone to see. There's a difference between hiding something in a folder somewhere and putting it up for every Tom, Dick and Harry to look at, and then getting pissed off when they use your ideas. When you let people look at your work then that's it, its in the public domain whether you like it or not. That's like me telling someone a joke and then forcing them to never tell it to anyone again, ever, because I made it up.
Okay, so you're a fucking idiot. Do you even know what the bill does? It makes it so people have to pay for copyrights from companies that don't even exist and who won't even be very reliable once they are created. You say that this will seperate those who are serious about art and those who aren't. Well the fact that people will have to pay handsomely for copyright will make it practically impossible to make a living off of art. Artists won't work, which will damage the economy largely.
BoltroBankai 4 months ago
Wow, your an Idiot, First of all the OWA would charge people crazy amounts of money to copy write their work. I don't know about you in Europe or where ever you are. And your cereal bar wrapper isn't art and nobody gives a shit about it.
rostang50 7 months ago
This kid has a LOT of growing up to do. He has NO IDEA of what the ORPHAN WORKS ACT (not "Orphan Art") is about.
ArtChee 10 months ago
This is a good example of some one who likes to hear the sound of his own voice. You have not idea what the Orphan Works Act is about. Do your research and then formulate an accurate argument. The Orphan Works Act is the equivalent to any random person working 40 hours a day just to have some rich CEO walk by and take your pay check every week. Try harder next time.
ravenblack70 1 year ago 2
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ravenblack70 1 year ago
@SagaciousSilence And you must be a friend of Mr. Fox here or you are Mr. Fox and don't want to reply on your main account. No matter really. You just showed every one your opinion does not matter. No disrespect to Mr. Fox if your not him. That would just make you some one who is not intelligent enough to actually articulate an honest opinion and just chose to use insults to try and inflate and underdeveloped ego.
ravenblack70 1 year ago
@SagaciousSilence Wow! She defends her side of this and YOU become a racist with an IQ no more than that of a 4 year old. That is so grand, so spectaluar, and so nazi of you SS. Don't be sad, be happy that YOUR insult will be remembered as one of the most viscious & childish comments in all of YT.
Anyone care to flag this "SS", he knows he deserves the fame of being a parasitic prick.
Gyrannon 1 year ago
here's the next way that you are an iiidddiiiooottt: whenever several people take your dumb wrapper and produce a piece of art, it is always different in some way. this happens all the time, when several people are all painting the same model. it always comes out uniquely rendered by each artist. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT AT ALL JERK! it is about google and other huge corporations taking all the images that are on the web, for their own huge profits. U R NAIVE AS HELL!
theCosmicQueen 1 year ago
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A STONED IDIOT, since you can't even talk. let alone articulate or think seriously about something so important. people's unique creations are theirs, and all kinds of art has no money value until someone WANTS IT! well the big corporations want it, to steal, for the taking, and that is why they want the orphan act!!!! idddiiiiooottt!
the big problem with it is that now we are protected, so all the art is out there being displayed, and copied by others, so it's orphaned.
theCosmicQueen 1 year ago
we be trollin son
ragglefragglecalp 1 year ago
I just registered your video it is mine now if you do not take it down I will press charges
gaarainblood 1 year ago
Feel free to reproduce this video, and moreso with the whole lawsuit
SylvesterFox 1 year ago
You don't really have an arguement, being a smug little git is pathetic.
I'm glad we can see your face so I can imagine it bursting under the wheel of a car.
crunchybones 2 years ago
ur a fag
Darthlongi 2 years ago
It's hard to get your point across when you use the word retarded in an argument, that being said I am not sure this guy gets it...
leahmonster1 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I hope you burn in hell....
shoophype765 2 years ago
I work hard for what I do. And now your gona tell me I should let other people make money off of me! I don't care wether it's a hobbie or not! If someone is gona make money off my hard work I want a share!
BionicKing 2 years ago 3
You are the most retarded and idiotic person in the world! Why would you think this, you retarded foreigner!!!
XavierTheEleventh 2 years ago
Rage more.
ThePaxilrose 2 years ago
one other thing how can you tell Bob who's been painting his life for ever and has been trying to get it sold and then he dies. and now his art is everywhere and people are paying millions for a piece of his work. and you got his family sitting there with no income at all and trying to pay off the debt of the funeral. you have NO IDEA. you can freely say this because your not a artist and at the same time your sitting there saying we're trying to have a ego trip and please stop being a hypocrite
rollen01 2 years ago 3
He doesn't even live in the U.S.!
And here are some quotes of his:
1 "Still Life is the only art I aprreciate..." (he has books, art, in the background, also, who doesn't like music, pictures, etc.)
2 "This could symbolize the black people and the white people." (WTF!?)
3 "You don't need the copyright." (IT IS OUR RIGHT!)
But it's ok, they don't have alot of free rights in Ireland :)
sullywashere 2 years ago
What your saying is you have no talent and would love the opportunity to steal everyone elses to make it look like you have some talent.
Im sure your mum thinks youre a special boy, and we all think your special just in a different way.
I will openly admit your "SPECIAL"....
P.s, you can use that text above as curtsey of me. (Being as you clearly lack the talent to come up with something original)
DamSkippyDawg 2 years ago
If by original you mean full of grammatical mistakes and tasteless insults then yeah, I can't come up with anything original.
SylvesterFox 2 years ago
dude are you serious? why would you support his outrageous bill... if you were ANY kind of artist you would know how expensive and how absurd this would be. you have NO IDEA what art is and what the whole bill is about. maybe you should do more research then a few youtube videos... you say its retarded but maybe you should look in the mirror.
rollen01 2 years ago
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AntiPirateSquad 2 years ago
Switched off your 'intellectual' argument as soon as you said fat guy! How single minded you are.... learn music and copyright law before you talk about it.... it's currently way above you...and you're not even an artist, so it doesn't include you? so thanks for speaking on behalf of us artists / musician etc... but we'd prefer the world used their moral judgement with reference to stealing art in ANY way shape or form
AntiPirateSquad 2 years ago
Dude you know so little about the industry it's laughable.... you're an intelligent chap....I can tell, but being young and bright doesn't give you a natural insight to the complexities of artistic and moral rights.....not until you've got your head in a few books at least. I personally would prefer the world respect they didn't create my art....I did! WITHOUT having to pay for such a privilege!
AntiPirateSquad 2 years ago
who makes millions would now be considered a "deserving artist" just because she can afford to pay for this copyright, although she only does it because she wants to, when I am trying to make a living at it.
TOOLaree 2 years ago
most you "artists"? I dont NEED a copyright?
Ive been working almost all of my life on my artwork, and have no ability to go to a college to learn it, but it has not hindered me in my success as an artist. I am what you would call a "starving artist" working a day job so that I can create art at night.
Art isnt about how much MONEY you HAVE to spend on it in the beginning, because a girl down the street from me who has a daddy
TOOLaree 2 years ago
I truly try to offer constructive criticism to every sort of video, but I am at loss of words here, this person contradicts himself time and time again. Seems he simply wanted to get a video out there somehow linked to a valid argument. Sorry buddy, you missed the point all together.
catch22orr 2 years ago
you relly dont get the point do you ...
this law will let big money get away with niking you art and useing it to make big money with out giveing you
any ...unless you pay ...them ..is that fare..??
try niking some WD.art and see how you get on..lol
they will give you Orpan art lol you bet :))
BRAINSTORM555 2 years ago
Yeah, let's just hand over all of our rights on a silver platter. How fucking cattle can you be? You're walking yourself into the slaughter house, and they didn't even have to round you up.
matronmedusa 2 years ago
this is the very first time i was offended by a video on youtube
annavries 2 years ago
I am against your video my good man I really do disagree. But another subject, wtf is your computer running on? a lawn mower motor?
Chrisspy704 2 years ago 3
So, let me get this straight, your saying that only people who are good RIGHT NOW deserve to keep their work.
What about the potential next great artist, (who's who knows what age) who doesnt even know there own potential? they will have to wait years before they can afford to protect ONE PIECE! this act will destroy any hope for any possible professional artists.
Masterheart 2 years ago
I think someones jealous that they can't draw :P
Tromkick 2 years ago 2
No one is going to want to use your stupid fucking cereal bar. If you were dumb enough to sue, any judge would throw that case out. Artists that don't care can't sell their crappy art, even if they wanted to. In addition, as it stands you can use anyone's art as long as you're not trying to making money.
ALL this bill does is allow those with more money to steal opportunity from those without any. All it's designed to do is broaden the financial gap.
You have no point.
IVIegadude 2 years ago 2
While you do raise a good point about weeding out the amateurs, you miss one point. Allowing even amateur artists to hold copyright and require payment for the use of their work helps professionals in the same way that labor unions keep prices even to ensure that no professionals will be shut out. While I can't support the act in its current form, you certainly raise some interesting points. No doubt it's a touchy issue.
drummachinessuck 2 years ago
Ehi, Larry, where are Moe and Curly?
domenicofo 2 years ago 2
"(...) posted by some fat guy (...)" ???
Wow, right there I wont watch anything else on this video.
Grow up kid.
dzogchen 3 years ago 2
Deserve? To be copyrited? Mate, you are an idiot. Fuck you.
Iscariot13 3 years ago
I don't know if that was a rant or you're serious. But if you ARE serious, then do something for art and try painting insted, cause filming videos and making bar wraps sculptures aren't your bright side. When i hear you, i wanna vote for legalizing abortion -_-'
I wonder when you're gonna understand that with this law everything you'll ever make can be used commercially without your permission.
In other words you peacefully agree to get your ass owned. Have a nice life.
InnerBushman 3 years ago 2
To Americans:
The Federal Reserve says "foreign currency is legal tender in the US". Trade in every dollar you own! The US government lowered interest rates in Bank accounts to 0%. Yet they make prices skyrocket with inflation. There is no obligation as an American citizen to play this game. Use foreign currency on US soil! America produces no money suitable for our uses.
mattcg90 3 years ago
I'm going to admit the argument coparing art and inventing was interesting, and you did make a good point.
However, art is a progress. So, all those skeches someone does willy nilly could add up to somthing great. If someone buys a copywrite on a piece of art, but not the sketches that led up to it, then the sketches could still be stolen.
xevilspawn 3 years ago
The cereal wrapper example was nothing short of idiotic and shows YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT: IT IS NOT ABOUT THE VALUE YOU PUT ON IT, BUT THE PROFIT SOME ONE ELSE CAN TURN OFF YOUR WORK (NAMELY, UNCREATIVE CORPORATIONS)
lmeister3 3 years ago 2
If you sued someone for imitating your trash art it wouldnt stand up in court. You cant sue because someone elses art looks similar
If the art is not valuable nobody will steal it. If the art is stolen by someone else that proves that it had value.
Take an artist who has produced, say 100 high quality commissioned peices and posted them on the web- as soon as this bill goes into place he's forced to shell out, say 1000 dolars to protect his work from being stolen by others?
TRMacar 3 years ago 3
your arguement is weak, What about Up and coming Illustrators and Graphic Designers who cannot afford to to have every piece of thier work protected.
and dropping your voice a few octaves makes you sound like an idiot.
boxy8su 3 years ago 2
Unfortunately you have completely missed the point of this act. Clearly you have no idea what it's like being an artist (and don't do the finger quotation mark when you say the word artist, it makes you look really stupid)... I could sit here and explain why supporting this act is bad, but that's not gonna change anything, is it?... Good luck getting bashed on by the rest of the world for things you don't understand.
Phantonim 3 years ago
faggot
rancidlee28 3 years ago 2
yah none of what this guy makes any sense towards the protection of the artist. This bill is just so coporate douchebags can take people's art for free off the internet and make tons of money off it and give none of it back to the artist and the only way to stop that would be to NEVER showcase your art or spending A LOT of money buying copyrights.
ALSO NO ONE WOULD EVER CONSIDER A PIECE OF GARBAGE AS ART!
CoalitionOfGamers 3 years ago
Try doing some actual research. IE not Youtube.
davesaccount 3 years ago 5
YOU'RE A DICK.
You obviously have no appreciation for art WHATSOEVER.
Get a life.
BTW: I'm gonna steal this video and make money off of it, just so you know. And you can't do anything about it.
DICK.
BorderlineAsylum 3 years ago
I understand what you are trying to say. However, "automatic copyright" as our current laws are, protects the artist BECAUSE art is so broad. You putting a label/judgment on someone's "doodle" is subjective. What if the doodle suddenly makes money? Dilbert started off as a doodle. If it was stolen, and lots of money was made off of it, well too bad for Scott Adams because he didn't buy the copyright for it. No, that's wrong. The Orphaned Works Art law is BS man.
vihena 3 years ago
this doesn't make any sense... there's a reason no one is for the orphan art act.. because it's absolutely idiotic.. and you've pretty much just proved it.
OMGKITTENMEWMEW1 3 years ago
btw this kid is a fucking idiot
Truggudden 3 years ago
so the government does support piracy.....
Truggudden 3 years ago
"im a poor artist drawing and writing stories and hopefully this ill make me money unless someone steals it leaving me poor its like plagiarism" see the situation
vlonp 3 years ago
Unfortunately your arrogance and ignorance is not indeed backed up by a strong in depth understanding of copyright and patent law. Because if in doing so you would realize there are specific needs for patents OVER copyright and also that the capacity and 'timeframe' that a copyright on a work of art can be unlawfully manipulated etc is a different story to that of making a replica piece of existing technology. As with any start up businesses, artist are creating with the intent to make a living
rancidlee28 3 years ago
i might have thought this was serious if it wasnt so obvious the guy in it is high
hrn001 3 years ago
lol wth is wrong with you?
dude us "artists" work fucking hard everyday to create great pieces.
you only appreciate still art?
ok fair enough, each to thier own, but every piece is important, fantasy art, anime art, portraits, landscape the whole lot, its important to us, its expression and freedom of speach.
EVERYONE DESERVES COPYRIGHT!
i do art for fun, but im also seriouse about it because i want to one be a game character designer and animator, so shut the fuck up you noob.
chibichibichanny 3 years ago
You forget the art students, the critical point before become a professional when you work nearly as hard better yourself but are still paid next to nothing. Also the professionals ARE against the Orphan Bill, they don't want to pay for copyrights and they know how to act when they see other's rights being taken away.
jamesnarnold 3 years ago
clearly you are not an artist and you are not american. who are you to judge the creativity of a human being. that is the one true thing that an individual can have that is truly FREE.
ITS BASICALLY SAYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR OUR THOUGHTS.
and remember no matter what you see, hear, watch, in any type of media or medium it is CREATED by an artist of some type. the video camera your using, that dorky jacket your wearing down to your lame haircut, someone CREATED it.
decade1324 3 years ago
But your not thinking about what "Pay Money" means. How much Money? There is no standard on what the fess will be. Plus if you already paied the copy right office, you will have to pay again to a comertial registry, which is insane.
And yes, currently when u create something it is ur, but u can't take someone to court AND SUE THEM, you can not seek finacla cocipation unless you registered with the copy rights office.
WeSayItBetter 3 years ago
This guy would justify the taking of a Jew's propety during the Holocaust on the premise of poperty being a matter of ego.
USMCMIAMI 3 years ago
THIS GUY IS A MORON!...Protecting what is yours IS about ego but guess what?? It is your human RIGHT to have an ego and not have it forcibly stripped from you...that includes everything personal that YOU deem valuable to YOU! It shouldn't have to bring a profit to be defensible, otherwise you are trodding down the lines of Fascist ideas. Once you open that nasty door, it becomes a PRECEDENT to later infringe on other things that are "YOURS".
USMCMIAMI 3 years ago
inventors need to copyright their ideas because they are waiting until they can make a final product, they invention itself. when an artist makes a work of art, that work is the final product. its not abstract or unrefined. whether its a painting on a canvas, a sculpture made of clay, or a video recording on a tape, its very much a concrete exsistance that belongs to its creator...
major holes in ur logic
Rufflesthebigone 3 years ago
artists don't become professional UNTIL they are making a living from their art. How would an ameteur make the transition to being a professional artist if, according to u, they don't deserve to be paid for their art?
what if a person who is flat broke paints like titian? i guess he shouldn't be paid either cause he's not "serious" enough to pay for a copy right?..
and yeah, people do create art so they can feel special..it's called self expression, its why i live.
Rufflesthebigone 3 years ago
Where to begin?
You're not accounting for the undue burder of the sudden imposition of registry costs (both time and money) on professional artists on all of their created works from years back. It's like making artists dig out their income tax forms from every year they've ever worked, documenting items from them, and paying a lot of money to do it. All to protect them from someone else from profiting from their work. And to what good end?
blogpoon 3 years ago
Who the hell are you to say that only "pros" deserve copyright protection? Do you realize that even professionals are at risk for being ripped off under this law? And what about people working towards being pro who get ripped off? People who might have to deal with this in a court of law aren't even guaranteed compensation because big corporations have both the means and the desire to make it hard as fuck for anyone to get anything out of them. Unless you're rich. Which most of us are not.
WearerofHoodies 3 years ago
I hope you realize how idiotic you sound. You definitely do not realize the whole situation and the problems this Orphan Bill causes. Please do world a favor and keep your "intelligence" inside your head and do not bother us "pathetic artists"
mrbondgirl007 3 years ago
Hahahaha unfortunately this guy is so busy tryin' to prove to himself he's smart that he's completely overlooked the fact that his IQ is below freezing temperature... I cant even conjure up a word right now that sums up how THICK this guy is.
Clockworknic 3 years ago
Photographers who take about 100 pictures a day... Would have to spend thousands of dollars every week to protect their images. They can't even show their unprotected pictures online to promote themself or some of their pictures may end up in a couple of magazines the week after.
CORPORATIONS WIN
ARTISTS LOSE
Antekvist 3 years ago
The Act is great for webdesigners, webdirectors, all great media corporations (book, magazine so on so on). Instead of having to go and pay artists for pictures and stuff they need they'll just roam the internet and whatever they find laying around that isn't registered they just grab. Maybe not all. They can take the picture, change it a little, crop it, cut it, color it. And then publish it. THEY WILL MAKE A TON OF MONEY!
Antekvist 3 years ago
When You are jumping into subject of "property" please gain at least basic knowledge. That includes of course Karol Marks works and definition of "work alienation".
Second, when You decide what art is and what it isn't, please also get know about some basic concepts in philosophy!
Third learn some good manners with addressing ppl.
Finally. I live in Poland, and I do remember communism pretty well, and how it worked. And all i can say, is that You have absolutely no idea about the consequences.
mikedemiurg 3 years ago
kiss my ass you moron
Gavreeli 3 years ago 3
wow, you're retarded. Basically you're saying that we can't own what we make? This is America, and last I knew, we can own our own property, and to pay to own stuff, are you kidding me? I'm going to take your video, and call it mine? I mean really.
Maybe people don't want others to have their artwork... Remember, this isn't the Soviet union here.. think about it.
artixfoxeye 3 years ago 2
I applaud the maker of this video for his comedic talent. Keeping a straight face, and such a dull, monotone throughout must take considerable talent.
Bravo!
f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 3 years ago 6
"aritst"
Well, im trying to live as an artist and im barely making break. So now i have to PAY to make my pictures?
Every pro deserves their works to get copyrighted? well everyone isnt fucking BORN as a proffesional are they?
Entillandersson 3 years ago
im not nearly as mad as you for making the video...as i am at myself for wasting 5 minutes and 44 seconds of my life watching this crap.
NB4L 3 years ago
As a professional artist, I have taken the time to research the Orphan Art Act. What disturbs me more than the notion of freely utilizing anything that hasn't been registered is that the copyright office is not willing to manage registries themselves. In fact, through the private sector, an unlimited number of companies could supply registry services. This fosters an environment such that even if you take the time to register your work, it could be lost in one of thousands of private registries.
EricJElwell 3 years ago
Are you for real? I'm almost hesitant to post b/c not only am I sure that you're not going to read this, but you are probably getting a kick out of all the comments you are getting.
Right now, there are no registries for artist to copyright their art, and the government has not made any effort to create one.
Bl4ckDr4co 3 years ago
I have friends, "professional" artists, that have had their work stolen. Basically, someone took their work and sold it to companies. All of it was settled easily and quickly after they contacted the companies, but now, how are they supposed to stop it?
What will happen is companies will start seeking out art that isn't copyrighted, so people that actually go and register their work lose money and not get any in return due to lack of business.
Bl4ckDr4co 3 years ago
Certainly, this won't be a problem for well-known artists or designers, but what about people in traditional and digital art that are new to the field?
Many artists simply don't have the money to copyright everything they do. This will stop art from being shared on the internet since they'll be too afraid to put anything up that might be snagged by corporate cheapskates.
Bl4ckDr4co 3 years ago
i am not the kind of person who goes around judging people (but seriously...still life?)and leaving mean comments on videos...but this one really pissed me off. you. are. an. idiot.
its been stated enough why...but i would also like to say that you obviously have no connection, support or intrest in art or artists. because if you did you wouldn't be attacking the intrisic right to own that what you create. period.
zoebro201 3 years ago
PS: I am an european graphic artist from the videogame industry. So I make my living through my artwork - and I can say that I am very insulted by your opinions Sylvester. Yout attitude is the same thing that led the US into what it is today!
smuphix 3 years ago
Did anyone even think about the possibility that the main target of this law would be the profit made by registering artworks? They pull the classic USA fearmongering tactics again, they scare people that their art could be stolen - and the people will pay to register it. It is so simple.
smuphix 3 years ago
You're an idiot. You have no concept of the exploitation that's on the way. Photographers, graphic artists, videographers - all new media artists - as well as traditional artists, will now be at risk of having their work product stolen. Patent protects the uniqueness of an invention by excluding others from copying it. It's different from copyright, which affirms authorship of original creative work. Calling a wrapper art and inventing a tooth brushing dildo, you wouldn't know the difference.
elemare113 3 years ago 2
I'm sorry, but you're dense. Loss of ego? How about loss of pay. How about I steal every paycheck you make. See how much you enjoy that. That's what this bill amounts to. My art is my income. It's my livelihood. Many artists make money off their art. So how about you pull your head out of the sand and actually look at the bill.
tehjake87 3 years ago
This is absurd. Art is work, time and effort. Someone using it, without paying for it is not a blow to someone's ego, its stealing someone's hard earned money for their artwork. If someone wants to use something, it must be payed for, period. No one should have to pay to protect their work from being stolen.
eliskander 3 years ago
Imagine you have to pay to register the fact that you have done a hard days work at the... I dunno, walmart or donut store or wherever you work. I am a professional designer. I work, and I am payed because I own the copyright to my work.
Idiots like you who support the bill are stealing money from my children. Shame on you.
elliotoffscrubs 3 years ago
You infuriate me.
As soon as someone wants whatever someone created it has value. It's also about ideas. You don't want your ideas stolen, so you write them down and date them, so if someone steals it, you can sue their asses. The law worked fine the new law will only benefit the artists that are not starving and the starving ones, well, they'll starve even more.
Also, still life is fucking boring.
punkwasher 3 years ago
Unfortunately, there are many very talented artists (who are embarrassed that there are artists in the world who do take dumps and call them art) who have dedicated their lives to their work and do make a living off of their work who would not be able to pay fees for every piece of art they produce.
Further, there are also many people who arrogantly call their dumps art and have a shitload of money (pun intended) to spend on registering whatever crap they come up with.
binnorie 3 years ago
Just because you only appreciate a single kind of art doesn't mean that everyone else is just as tasteless.
And since when does copyright = patent? You are confusing artists with inventors too much.
vedasisme 3 years ago
Seriously the guy appreachiates still life the art 101 so he clearly has little understanding of the art world and what the law would do for restricting creative freedom in this 21st century. Imagine all the art on the web being public domain overnight.
Only people stand to profit from this law are the corporations looking to get around the current copyright laws and the registration places. All the artist big and small are screwed in the name of the all mighty dollar.
jjackson0215 3 years ago
The Issue is real and the move for it big. We as artists have to take this out of the govs hands and get to it ourselfs. Take the responsibility if we take our art serious. For that part you are right. But having everything up for free grabs when a cursiory first internet search came up blank and havoing to pay for registering art is totally out of the question.
whiteBBwolf 3 years ago
Registering everything I produce is fucking impossible if I hve to pay five bucks for it. Take sculpting and for me bodypainting. Do I need to make one picture registered and all other perspectives of this bodypainting are also protected? And what kind of proof do I have to produce that the art I gegister is mine? Original Sketch? I do digitally most of my stuff these days. Photographs? First print? How´d ya know?
whiteBBwolf 3 years ago
Right on the part of seperating serious and non serious artists and, unfortunatly, also right seperation in terms of artists relying on ther art for income. The big problem is that ppl or corps with money can pour BIG LOADS of money this way and claim "orphaned art" at the max if there´s an easy online rollup service even if money is involved. Registry provided by companies or gvm offices takes at least some money. Some artists make bare minimum.
whiteBBwolf 3 years ago
you lost me at the electric tootbrush/dildo comment at 5:00 , now i think your face is art a real fuckface
cragur 3 years ago
If I creat something it is mine. I don't expect my government to give something I worked hard to creat to big bussiness for free (which is what they're doing) just because I can't afford protection.
1catholicchick 3 years ago
Just no.
Doodle art willy nilly for fun?
Every artists starts out like that, and gains notoriety. But if they can't prove that it's their art, then that path is closed to them.
And sorry, "unfortunate enough to make a living off art"? Most of the things in the room you recorded were art. If people don't get payed for it they probably won't make it.
NetMaple 3 years ago 2
dude... come on.
samwell00778 3 years ago
See it as a stockroom. A hardwarestore has stuff in their stockroom they don't sell at the moment. But maybe some day they will.
If I walk into their storeroom and take some stuff and say "you weren't gonna sell it anyway." That wouldn't make sense, would it?
And besides that: almost all artist are pretty poor. Their investment in their business is mental, not monetary.
A law like this would enable big companies to roam for art while their own art is protected beause they can afford it.
65DDTG 3 years ago
Imagine the photographers who take hundreds of images a day or more...ugh.
Most serious artists cannot afford to pay for their work to be protected. and
if your trying to run a small business, or your a struggling artist trying to make it
pro, then you have some serious problems if you have to pay for every piece of work
to be in a searchable Registry.
Do more research!!
A place to start would be to go to Professional artists forums to
see their concerns on the passing of this bill.
cyphergig 3 years ago
1.© laws are not the same as patents. Patents are meant to protect the IP. © protect works from reproduction, not the idea of similar works. If I draw a machine, and others draw that same machine in a different manner I CANT SUE THEM.
2.If an individual wants an item, they need to pay for it, regardless of quality. Why is that different with art?
3.Go fuck yourself with your vibrating toothbrush, your head is so far up your ass I can see why you might need one, You pretentious cunt.
sinejde 3 years ago 3
"the current laws are totally retarded, in my opinion".
Well then scrap all the laws, don't make it so that everyone has to pay to own their own ideas.
ART SHOULD BE FREE! No one should be allowed to copyright a sunrise, birdsong or genetic code. It doesnt matter what ownership they award themselves over it, they can never be allowed to create a system which enslaves people to that system. Even the most inventive people are guilty of this.
Elephantintheroom01 3 years ago
So what you're saying is that you don'yt mind if I download all of your uncopyrighted videos, claim that you never returned my emails & therefore couldn't be contacted, get a copyright for them, & then issue you a lawsuit for using your own videos because Orphaned Works allowed me to copyright them under your nose?
LikaLaruku 3 years ago
i am an artist and i want to be able to know that i will not be copied in fact copyright should be a little stricter
under pressure
ice ice baby
case closed
ramanglass544 3 years ago
Young, dumb, and full of....
If this bill passes, corporations will take everything you have because you can't afford to fight them for it.
Everything you make will be public use unless you pay to keep it...
Grow up a few more years before you go trying to change things on this planet you know nothing about...
nasanction 3 years ago 6
You are not the authority on this issue, and need more research. You assume that the artists watching this are not serious, yet you do not personally know that to be fact. If we are taking the time to look at any and all things related to the act, clearly we care about it and are serious about it. The cereal bar example is ineffectual, as copyright goes to the designer of the package who most likely went to school to form an understanding of effective visual communication and design principles.
KristinCollision 3 years ago
I'm not paying shit for my music. I guess this is what happens when common sense and common courtesy is forgotten..
KissMeImPunk 3 years ago
you are wrong totally wrong
ty to that shit art act companys and other people can get money with art of someone else just becouse they pay for the right.
you dont know what you are talking about
positivoshow 3 years ago
Posted by some fat guy....real mature way to start things out, you've already discredited yourself.
If I don't want anyone to use my work for any reason, that's my call, not the governments. Regardless of the "diligent search" they claimed to have done if they cant find me they have no right to use my work, it's stealing, plain and simple. You have no idea what you're talking about.
strikercom 3 years ago
Well, I must have SOME credibility in what I'm saying otherwise you wouldn't be spending your time watching my video and then commenting. Unless you're the sort of person who responds to spam emails or simply cannot live knowing that someone somewhere said something they disagree with.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
TITS
Don't know how that that translates into sign language, I'm afraid.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
You're a fucking, a FUCKING RETARD. Why should an artist PROVE that he's "serious"? Why should an artist PAY FUCKING MONEY for what they create? They've already paid for materials, they've already paid time to actually do the work, they've already invested energy into this piece, and now they have to pay MORE to prove they're seriousness?!
This is an outrage! This isn't about seriousness, this is about proper ownership of REAL art, not cereal wrapers which WOULDN'T stand up in court.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago 2
I agree with you about it's unfair inventors have to pay. But it also makes it almost impossible for starting out because the cost per page are expensive. And what if someone art which is done for free is taken and used for something they don't support.
gamefan2007 3 years ago
how many pounds of crack did this monkey smoke before he thought posting this video was a good idea.
if i may steal a quote from his un-copyrighted work...'this is retarded'
infinityshock 3 years ago 2
the bill doesnt separate people who are serious about art and who arent, it separates those with money and those without. it only benefits big businesses, and serves to hurt small businesses and individuals who sell photos, even if they dont do it often.
kilz2latex 3 years ago
Stupid communist bitch. Support capitalism.
TheJonasAreGay 3 years ago
You just don't get it. You just make it worst too. I think this is way over your head and you can't see it. You are too narrow minded to see the big picture.
A invention is not a personal creation of art. Its an idea made to create a item. Something planed out and calculated. Art is nothing like that. Its much deeper and personal.
I guess large corporations that shit on people at any cost are fine and should be left alone.
Its about what is yours. Not making the rich richer.
tintingkc 3 years ago
What is art, if not an idea transferred onto paper or marble? If you want to really get technical about it then art is nothing more than applying certain colours in certain patterns onto a sheet of paper, or lumping clay together into a certain shape. They're just as personal.
And don't give me that "my creations are art, but your creations are simply a source of income" crap. As someone studying to be an engineer, I consider inventions to be just as personal.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
The orphaned works bill isn't even really about art, it's about giving corperations the right to use other people's art for free, since most people can't afford nor want to fill out the paperwork to get a copyright on every single thing they've created.
LikaLaruku 3 years ago
You are a typical trapped in a box asshole with no vision outside your tiny room.
Obviously lack of any education after watching that lame excuse for a video.
You can support this bill and I will support the clean out the gene pool bill. Guess what... your up high on the list!
tintingkc 3 years ago
No guessing required. As someone who's great-grandfather died in a concentration camp I'm somewhat used to elitist pricks using the race card when they don't have their way.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
Okay then... what gives people the right to take away others work against their will? To some that is their life. You don't know how hard they worked for it, what was involved or even what the worth of it is. But you are so quick to spew out bullshit that you think makes sense. It doesn't! You are playing in an area you have no clue in.
Your inventor argument is very, very weak! Goes back to being educated. Good luck with that.
You should do come research. Your in over your head.
tintingkc 3 years ago
Ok, why is the inventor argument weak? How is it any different to being a professional creativity whore? You enjoy creating art? Great, then you shouldn't have a need for copyright as you're not making a profit from it. Want to make it into a career? Fine, then you're no different to a white-collar statistic sitting in a cubicle somewhere, go pay for your copyright. If you have to pay for such basic things as electricity and the police saving your ass, why not copyright?
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
For a stay-at-home artist, buying a copyright for every piece will make you loose profit. To compensate, artists will raise their prices & less people will buy, especially with the economy the way it is.
LikaLaruku 3 years ago
wtf?
jackass.
Anthobean 3 years ago
You really have no sympathy for people that have such little money they can't afford another act such as this. Definitely when regarding the comments made by the user "SexyAelita". We are slowly losing money for more important things, and you don't care. You also show no respect for kids as I can see by those comments. We have a lot more potential than you think.
GerbilUSA2nd 3 years ago
do not support this bill. If you support it then you are taking money away from myself, my family and hurting my career. Graphic designers already have a shit load of stuff to pay for as supplies and now we have to protect ourselves from moronic internet stealers. The candy wrapper analogy is similar but means nothing. Also you would have to say you have the copyright over the company who made the wrapper cause under current laws, there is an approximate 50% rule for lots of cases. Dumbass!
waffles497 3 years ago 2
and i agree it is bull shit that have buy copyright for inventions but forcing people to pay for art is not helping that its just more bullshit
crustymethaddict 3 years ago
why are defending corporate theft? the reason people are upset about is because they will have to pay to keep an idea, some people already have copy rights to their and if this passes they'll have to get again
this is a bad idea and people are not against it because they want to feel special but because we shouldn't have to pay copy right to every thing we create
crustymethaddict 3 years ago 2
I guess, by your reasoning, I could copy music and movies then sell them out the back of a van. All its hurting is the ego of the producers. Right? I do, however, agree with you that its unfair for an inventor to have to pay for a patent when they have, ideally, done more work than a typical artiest. Still, don't you think you're going the wrong way? Perhaps patent laws should be more lenient.
AdamCaine 3 years ago
Uh.. no, it's protecting big corporations who can afford to copyright their art ans simply STEAL people's art that can't be copyrighted. Creation is a gift that some people have and others don't. So someone who can't even draw a tree can simply take someone else's rendition of a tree and get credit for it? No thanks.
FelixLGato 3 years ago
SylvesterFox,
In protecting art, we are not talking about poop and candy wrappers !
TroopsPostTrauma 3 years ago 2
If someone is not willing to simply negotiate with the artist for something he wants to use, that is plain lazy.
We should call this the "Not Even A Thank You bill"
This bill is about those who don't want to bother with the human side of creativity. ...they also don't want to work hard at creating themselves, they want to cut-and-paste off the internet.
I won't have this. I won't let this bill pass.
SylvesterFox, I find your view of artists and their "hobby" very condescending.
TroopsPostTrauma 3 years ago 2
your volume is way too low. Can't hear you
seaniccus 3 years ago
so what you are saying is that it is ok to steal art etc and say you made if you say your a fag as with everyone else who says yes
doommmmmmm 3 years ago
What about people like me? I'm not legal yet, but I am writing a novel. I also put pictures of my characters on the internet for compliments and helpful critisism. But I am unable to pay for all of this, I forgot why... Oh yeah, my family has to support a man with terminal cancer, we have to pay for an oxygen machine, hospice, and several trips to the ER. Screw you.
SexyAelita 3 years ago 4
PROTIP: Get a REAL job and write the book in your own free time.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
somehow i doubt anyone would hire a (not saying age but its between 9 and 13) old girl.
SexyAelita 3 years ago 6
Yet you think someone would publish a book by said girl? What's it on, anyway? The Trotskyists of the Bolshevik party? The Spanish Civil war?
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
There's no age limit on being published is there? Besides, it isn't done yet, it takes years to finish a real book, not some 25-page baby novel. And on top of that I couldn't get a job AT ALL even if I was old enough because my dad needs someone there in case he stops breathing or something.
SexyAelita 3 years ago 6
you act as if artists are living off welfare, but there not i know a few working artists and they have REAL jobs
crustymethaddict 3 years ago
I am an artist and I will NOT pay for my art. It is a scam so the big guys with wads of cash can take your stuff.
khaos07777 3 years ago 3
By the way come to America with your thoughts and you will be laughed at. You sound Irish an on top of that you sound like a fool!
rza1000 3 years ago 4
This guy sounds like a young punk who wants to be a rebel and piss people off. Sir, you have the right to your thoughts and also to voice them but if this act does pass I hope it comes to bite you in the a.hole one day so you can realize how stupid you are. Not everyone can pay for every little thing they create. Think about the starving artist who are trying to survive off of their art but cant afford to protect what they create.
rza1000 3 years ago 5
One point was made about seperating the serious artist from those who arent serious however ...What about the serious ones who are doing something with it and has it already copyrighted ? They will have to pay a second time ??? It's bullshit to the fullest...Just another way for corporate or the rich to get richer bottome line
truesubstance 3 years ago 2
electric toothbrush dildo combo...really?
kosei89 3 years ago
Sure, why not. It's just as likely to make me rich and famous as the creations of half the people who commented here, yet I'm not going to be absurdly overprotective of it. If you like the idea, go for it, I give it to the public domain, just like everything I do on the internet.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
really sylvester? im just messing btw
kosei89 3 years ago
inventing is different from art, we need our copyrights because we make a hell of a lot more art than you guys invent, and if EVERY artist had to pay for EVERYTHING they made, there would be a HUGE lag in "copyright offices" like there is in the patent office, so no, the Orphan Act is wrong and is a theory that only looks good on paper to the few individuals who never make art like true artists do
DrCrenos 3 years ago
you're not an artist are you? i write! i really want my copyright without having to pay to get it! please! understand! besides, if someone wanted to take someone else to court for all of your "reasons" they would not be able to, because that person would probably not have enough money to even take the case to court in the first place nor have the resources to win such a case
DrCrenos 3 years ago
Your cerial wrapper was created by Snickers Inc.
It is not something that YOU created. How can it be your art?
Freethought42 3 years ago
I feel the need to sum up my feelings the best way I know how, with an Iron Man parody.
He has lost his mind
He can not see, he is blind
He can't walk at all
Once he moves, he will fall.
ZimMan2 3 years ago
lol excellent use of Sabbath to illustrate a point
Freethought42 3 years ago
It's OK, you have no brain. Probably you just tried to appear like you know something bout copyright, quite interesting. But unfortunately you managed do exactly the opposite.
bezvezeceda 3 years ago
fuck you you english fuckbag
charvel67 3 years ago 2
NO U
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
no you.
Wow, best comeback ever.
ZimMan2 3 years ago
But is the original post any better, FGT?
AuraLaris 3 years ago
You mentioned that artists that just draw for fun don't deserve a copyright. I know an asrist who has a set of characters and makes up stories for them and stuff. She is very emotionally involved with them. However, if some company stole them and used them in a tooth paste add, she would be devistated. She would be the girl who draws toothpaste characters and not the girl with the cool ideas. There is the problem of you being seen as a copier instead of a creator.
Flick14113 3 years ago
I don't think you understand how the copyright law works right now. Better do you homework before posting such videos.... so sad
JEEROFUKU 3 years ago
Artists and Inventors have the same protection under current copyright, nothing needs to be changed.
caelestissama 3 years ago
What the bill is proposing is to create MULTIPLE registries for the same work to be registered on. Each one would charge the artist a sum, and, if a person that ripped off a piece of art only searched one engine and that one happened to be the one you couldn't afford to register your work on, they could claim they "searched reasonably" and not pay you at all, even if you took the time to register. Makes more sense to pay the $45 copyright fee we have right now, huh?
caelestissama 3 years ago
And as you said, there is a large variety of art... but just because you don't consider it a fine piece, doesn't mean it isn't a work of art.
Thewolfwithwings 3 years ago
Such as, if you worked REALLY hard on a term paper that was a pass of fail for the class, and some kid stole the file from you right before you were to print it out, so when the you gave it to the teacher, they say you stole it.
Does that sound fair?
Then why should artists who put work and effort into something have to pay a fucking FEE to something they CREATED.
Thewolfwithwings 3 years ago 4
The difference here is that I wouldn't put my term paper up for everyone to see. There's a difference between hiding something in a folder somewhere and putting it up for every Tom, Dick and Harry to look at, and then getting pissed off when they use your ideas. When you let people look at your work then that's it, its in the public domain whether you like it or not. That's like me telling someone a joke and then forcing them to never tell it to anyone again, ever, because I made it up.
SylvesterFox 3 years ago
I'm not exactly saying 'stealing the idea'.
I'm talking about literally copy/pasting a file to sell it on photobucket(or where ever it is people do it these days).
Does that make any sense?
That's like... Literally copying a brand of soda's name, colors, logo, recipe ect and expecting for it to be another company.
Not even the difference between Mc'donalds and Burger King... Even more closer.
Thewolfwithwings 3 years ago