Panopticon

[crashedsky]

News today: Politicians and police want to, and are using, air drones to spy on American citizens.

[wisdomtrek]

From a instinctive response I'm morally obligated to TEAR DOWN any Panopticon, in whatever guise it may manifest itself. VISCERALLY.

As best my abilities allow.

[milova4class]

oh man, "... makes a simulacra of our decision making abilities"... oh man, that is really good. really nice extrapolation of the idea.

[finnbarrhagan]

they too are under the ponopticon...

[macandease]

Land of the Cowards, and home of the Oppressed.

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[roughryder5]

Bro, im doing a presentation in class...Can i use your video?

[KeesFluitman]

Although your presentation is of really good quality, in sound and visuals, i do not agree with the conclusion:

Why care about what's right or wrong if there is someone else to do it for you. Or catch bad guys etc.

I presume you mean the disciplinairy institutions which we rely on and further also the games of truth which create our truths.

It is a good clear scrape of Foucault's ideas i must give you that. I'd rather get into details and talk in terms.

Finally, think about knowledge.

[cozzy3002]

Is that a picture of the album cover "Binaural" by Pearl Jam?

[LordLoco87]

If I were being watched, I'd be locked up right now and compl

[cabokevin]

awsome video man!

[bardic88]

The men you mentioned here are NOT deconstructionists and it was solely the project of Derrida. I believe you are just a internet philosopher yourself. Derrida's philosophy is very text driven, as language has more ontological priority than some of the Modernist transcendental philosophers believed. I'm not spending more time arguing with an internet philosopher. Maybe I'm a master moralist, I beliieve you should read the texts of these guys before you make such absurd conclusions

[bardic88]

what clever banter, not!

[bardic88]

also, despite the showmanship of the video, as it has the eerie music and conspiracy video ambiance, it is an accurate summary of Foucault's study of the Panopticon in Discipline and Punish. I only suggest a little more from Foucault, as he handled it a lot more carefully. Anyway, Kudos. And I really don't care how people respond to my comments, unless you've read Foucault.

[KeesFluitman]

@bardic88 i agree with you. it's a good scetch, a good scrape of the top layer. Nothing out of the box is used. Kudos!

[bardic88]

What's so funny about the comments is that people believe this is a new idea. One guy saying, "yeah yeah yeah, the illuminati is taking over blah blah blah" must not be familiar with the literature that this has come from. It's not a conspiracy theory like the Zeitgeist propaganda; these are actual theories from a respected author/ philosopher. I agree that it has that conspiracy appeal to it, but nontheless it is accredited literature by Michel Foucault.

[robbin505]

@bardic88 What in the Zeitgeist film is propaganda? I can, if you want, give highly accredited resources that back up the three main ideas of the first film. Read Chomsky sometime.

[robbin505]

@bardic88 Now I get it, your one of those that fell into the pit of the logical fallacy. You need ideas to be accredited and stamped with the college intellectual stamp of authority. Well done, cheers.

[aghoranathi]

@robbin505 nice, Foucault's ideas, well some of them have been discredited but i fail to see how a philosopher could ever be accredited as though there is a right answer. I am a fan and it seems strange to me that bardic88 is also. He sounds like a co-incidence theorist.  :)

[robbin505]

@aghoranathi i would, if forced to categorize myself, call myself a post-modernist. I am also not a huge fan of the Zeitgeist movement as they are cybernetics followers but they have good information. I find it important to search through all provable data and use it, no matter what the source, as adherence to any one theory/doctrine really limits a person in terms of what is available as a source of thought or information.

[aghoranathi]

@robbin505 Nice reply, im subbing u, thnx

[robbin505]

@aghoranathi What most people call "conspiracy theory" is just run of the mill information in the field of communications. Anyone who doubts that there are people actively planning ways to create imbalance in the world only needs to look to the works of Adam Curtis, Noam Chomsky, a film called "The End of Poverty", a film called "The Corporation", Napoleoni's book "Rogue Economics", Bloomberg BusinessWeek, etc... The information is all there it is just too hard for most people to digest.

[lageasy]

I'm not afraid to speak up! I have made it my life's mission to bash those fucking cameras in wherever I go! Do the same!

[orbis2009]

Pay no heed to the Pop Atheists here or elsewhere. There is only one atheist worth reading and it is hardly Darwkins and Hitchens, et al, i.e., the bubblegum atheists. Read Nietzsche alone. He is the only serious atheist and he did not dodge the implications. Read him as I did for years and then we can talk. Until then it is Kindergarten.

[bardic88]

Are you saying Michel Foucault is a "Bubble gum athiest"? Wow, well you must only read Nietzsche huh? Michel Foucault is also a genealogist like Nietzsche, as Nietzsche inspired Foucault. Further, should we not read genealogists or any philosopher inspired by Nietzsche? To this effect, should we not read Delueze, Foucault, or Derrida? Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre? This men are Nietzsche scholars, and have "read him as [you] did for years". I have read him for years as well, and I suggest readingon

[bardic88]

Are you saying Michel Foucault is a "Bubble gum athiest"? Wow, well you must only read Nietzsche huh? Michel Foucault is also a genealogist like Nietzsche, as Nietzsche inspired Foucault. Further, should we not read genealogists or any philosopher inspired by Nietzsche? To this effect, should we not read Delueze, Foucault, or Derrida? Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre? These men are Nietzsche scholars, and have "read him as [you] did for years". I have read him for years as well; I suggest reading on.

[orbis2009]

@bardic88  Foucault was infected in a gay bath house, he infected others deliberately in his "freedom" according to a biographer. Therefore he had a conflict of interest with His Maker. Sartre lied about being in the resistance, betrayed Camus, became moralistic about Lenin & Vietnam, died after saying he felt called not by chance but a personal maker. The deconstructionists were mere political & especially sexual subversives pretending there was no text, only interpretation. Sounds Fishy, eh?

[bardic88]

@orbis2009 how is this even relevant?

[ReeperDante]

I don't know if this was for a college class/ boredom or just the want to bring this knowledge to people but I think this is an awesome representation.

[thespavid]

@ReeperDante I created this for a "technology in the classroom" course because I am studying to be an English teacher. I am thrilled to see that this has entered classrooms and lecture halls of various disciplines. Thank you for your comments.

[freddytheflintstone1]

Whiny little coward producer doesn't have the cojones to state the obvious -- that it is the Jews who are engineering this situation.

[freddytheflintstone1]

Whiny little faggot producer doesn't have the cojones to state the obvious -- that it is the Jews who are engineering this situation.

[orbis2009]

It is foolish to compare God, the Creator, to the Panopticon state.

[thespavid]

I should clarify: Those who believe that an omniscient God is watching at all times might have a similar disposition to those who believe that they are being watched at all times by a physical observer, government or otherwise. The fear of being watched and possibly punished by someone else makes you watch for others' eyes and fear others' actions instead of regulating your own actions by your own standards. We fear personal punishment more than we fear a society run by unethical individuals.

[orbis2009]

@thespavid The Creator of all that is----unless one believes that everything there is came from nothing at all---rewards goodness. Those who do evil he leaves to themselves and they ensnare themselves. There is, because there is a Creator who is the Word, a moral structure to the universe, else you posit an equivalence between a Saint Francis and a Jeffrey Dahmer. If the only difference between them is a social contract there is no ultimate difference---and you will have to live with that.

[thespavid]

@orbis2009 I didn't intend for this video to bring up a religious discussion. I only compare the two due to the idea of omnipresence/omniscience. Whether or not a God exists, it is still disturbing for a human organization to so fully observe people at any/every level. Also, the fear of punishment under a higher power (human or other) effectively displaces our community ethics, and this is an unfortunate result of both institutions. A panopticon makes you watch yourself by someone else's rules.

[orbis2009]

@thespavid What is frightening to one who knows history is when the State believes itself to be Ultimate, answering to no transcendent values. One need only look to the crimes of Stalin, the Nazis--see the video "Hitler a Theist?" (No he believed in the divinization of the Reich, ala Hegel, with himself as its personification), Pol Pot etc., to see the greatest crimes in human history, countless millions upon millions slaughtered in just one century. When the state is Ultimate woe is us.

[thespavid]

@orbis2009 I agree. This is a fair and insightful response. "When the state is ultimate, woe is us" reminds me of the famous Thomas Jefferson quote: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." It's an unfortunate situation when normal people fear being watched at all times while agents of the government are protected with secrecy. Wikileaks and other organizations create transparency, but the gov't response dissolves liberty.

[orbis2009]

@thespavid  Afraid so. Thanks for the fairness in the comment.

[ReeperDante]

@orbis2009 Actually it is more like you are foolish if you find that there is no correlation between the two. I thought the video was pretty spot on by how it compared the fear of being shot by the fear of being thrown into hell. Honestly why does anyone follow a religion? It is because they think that if they do not something horrible will happen to them so they pray and do "good" things to try and prove to God they are worthy

[orbis2009]

@ReeperDante The perfect non sequitur, this poverty of perception and drawing of false parallels. It does not speak well for education today. Youtube dribble. As for religion, quite to the contrary, religion is born from the realization of the shock of being and our contingency, it is sister to the realization that we are, and that everything there is could not come from nothing at all. It is born like poetry of wonder, amazement, the desire to say thank You. Stalin wouldn't understand.

[orbis2009]

@ReeperDante Here's your homework for tonight simple one. Buy The Death of Ivan Illich by Tolstoy. Read it and learn; educate yourself.

[kagomeloveshojo]

This is dumb.

[Xenophanes21]

@kagomeloveshojo you can claim that its false, but it certainly is not dumb... read more please...

[Thespokenone]

oh and why does Jeremy Bentham have a head underneath his seat @ 2:15

[Thespokenone]

I really like this Idea of the world being a huge scale panopticon, because this is becoming more and more true. We looked at this in my drama class and had an exercise along the lines of the panopticon, where our teacher just sat in the corner of the room and took note of everything we did, without her saying a single word. Usually we would fool about, but because she was watching us and recording what we do, we self moderated and did work, WITHOUT her saying a single word. It was just so eerie

[Andrewh313]

Yea yea yea... the illuminati is taking over and the Jews control all the world's money. Whatever dude....

[xwsftassell]

Really good. Thanks a lot.

[nebuncz]

What a heaping load of rubbish. Pretentious jumble of alarmism and half-digested notions. One of the main points Foucault made was that without discipline and its technologies, such as panopticism, modern market-based democracies based on individual rights would be inconceivable. Of course, that point is totally lost in something as superficial as this production, which distorts and debases the ideas of Foucault into just another tin-foil-hat theory. What a load of rubbish.

[haansgruber]

People choose to surrender freedoms

They GPS tracking cell phones that can be listened to when the user believes they are on the hook

they opt for OnStar GPS tracking in their vehicles (24/7/365)

they use computers with built in, always on cameras

they allow every message they send and receive to be monitored via electronic mail

they post video and messages to the youtube forums which never disappear

the internet is the panopticon as well

These are but a few right off the top

peace :)

[drummerofwrongway]

Really really great video!

But while critizicing, do you also think/plan of doing something against modern society?

[UserNumber112358]

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

- H.L. Mencken

[Katmiiouw]

We saw this in our Netherlands class. I've to make a huge project. I need to know what the similarity is between this panopticon and the machine from 'In der Strafkolonie' by Franz Kafka

Do you have any tips?

[thespavid]

I haven't read that book, so I can't help. Thanks for the book recommendation though; I'll likely read it if it's related. Good luck on your project, and please thank your professor for showing my video. I'm amazed that it's shown in college-level classes around the world - that makes me very happy and humbled. Beware the cameras.

[FalterVayne]

Excellent video.

[Pish1989]

Compelling viewing, regarding a subject that is so controversial. 5 stars sir; many thanks.

[pinkglowstyx]

Damn...I just did a presentation on the panopticon and got a B...I wish I saw this video before because this is REALLY GOOD! Fantastic work.

[fabiocamila]

I simply loved your video! I am from Brazil and I will use your video for an oral presentation in my law class in the Criminal Law subject. Congratulations for this great video!

[HystericCouture]

I will be showing this in my class today. Good work!

[HatSuitTie]

said it all bud, i dont think many will type panopticon in the search box though...

[nadagain]

Good video man.

In reality...this is just an extension or a manifestation of what happens in any group/society. This is the normalization and and abnormalization of thoughts, behavior and trajectory of day to day life.

[Amaurosis11]

It is surprising how few people are tuned into this idea but your brilliant reference to and explanation of the concept of a society-wide panopticon spearheaded by the surveillance of nearly every aspect of our lives in the "developed" modern western world. Your explanation should be enough to make this clear to almost anyone! Overall, a concept that is linked very closely to the concept on which I am basing a piece of music - is this your own voice being heard?

[thespavid]

I'm sorry I haven't responded to this sooner, but yes it is my own voice. If you've worked on this piece of music that you speak of, I would really love to hear it. Please let me know if you complete it. Really. It would make my day/month/year :)

[Amaurosis11]

Brilliant! Although these thoughts, ideas and concepts are not particularly new or unique to this individual, they are nonetheless extremely relevant and go a long way to explaining the fundemental catalyst for so much of western culture and morality. Continued....

[Seagerash]

good to see some banksy in here :) good vid

[lenarita1]

just learned about bentham and his panopticon. check out this book: "the end of privacy: how total surveillance is becoming a reality" by reg whitaker. inform yourself.

[sorryweetgeennaam]

Great vid! Don't know how true it all is but it's definitely something to be aware of.

[kkaran]

5 stars because this video was able to grab the attention of my law class durring my presentation.

[thespavid]

That's great. Thanks for including my video as a part of your project.

[sheeplvl1]

The Panopticon prison was never built in England during Bentham's life time. Search Panopticon on wikipedia. However, it does illustrate bentham's blueprint for such system well.

[thespavid]

I suppose I should have made that more clear. Thanks for clarifying.

[sheeplvl1]

Thx for the video man~ I'm just throwing in my 2 cents!

[megafoned]

Fuckin awesome video. All points were expressed effectively.

[keydet035]

Good video, too true. The scary part is not that people do not know the situation, because even when they do, they just don't care. As damaging as ignorance is to the cause of freedom, apathy is even worse. It is much harder to fight apathy.

[kj369kj]

good job, my professor showed this to us in class. 300 + students

[thespavid]

I absolutely love hearing information like this. I made this for a class about technology use in the classroom, so it's very appropriate that it should be used in that way! If you still speak with the professor, thank him/her for me. I get requests now and then to use this in presentations and other projects, and it makes my day every time. I never expected anything but one good grade to come of this. Thanks, YouTube!

[XxSarahSyntheticxX]

Whoever did that has a really creepy voice. lol =)

And they make it sound worse than it is.

Not to say it isn't like this, or that it isn't bad. It could just freak some naive people out. x)

[thespavid]

Haha. It was hard to read that without sounding creepy, especially with the music I chose for the background. Besides, the naive people need to be freaked out :)

[TheBrianJ]

If you are in the University of Iowa's Introduction to Criticism and Theory class, and saw this during a presentation on Friday...sup?

[joncoppola28]

>>>I'm studying Foucault right now in my Sociology class. He's a dry and tough read. He's way ahead of his time. We should be so grateful.

[eonether]

Me too actually. Great intellectual that was

[ddut887]

excellent.

[aaronlovespot]

good video . what do you think can be done about it? some times i think of something but then it goes away .

[knci]

theres is lil we can do bout it since the majority of da population believe that the amount of surveillance we live in is necessary given our current climate we live in a risk society, we fear what we dnt knw, this is the way we are raised change socialistion and we can change society people fear change therfore we never know

WORLD RISK SOCIETY by Ulrich Beck this emphasises what i ave spoke about, even though he doesnt specifically quote bentham and the panoptican 1 can u

[thespavid]

If people demand to be watched, believing it is necessary, they should be demanding that the watchers also be watched in turn. That would at least ensure honesty and accountability. Call me old school, but I don't think we should be monitored at all except in physical areas needing public safety (courts, transit, etc).

[aaronlovespot]

cool

[Soupdragoon]

Excellent video!