China: 8% growth "still possible"

[20097sam]

Chinese authorities viewed the Tibetan people as criminals deserving to be put to death. & Chinas president, Hu Jintao, called for building a Great Wall of stability in Tibet. But without serious negotiations & a political solution, there will be only instability — just what Beijings leaders fear, at the end Tibet will break away.

People have enough wit ur corrupt Dictatorship Policy & revolt only remains option.

[20097sam]

Today, it is hard to come across a Tibetan family that has not had at least one member imprisoned or killed by the Chinese regime,

Since 1959 Tibet face Darkest its History of under Chinese Dictatorship, Tibet need International Support, no matter Chinese like or not. Immoral criminal killing must Stop.

[20097sam]

People of TIBET dont want ur Development nor ur Dictatorship, since China came to TIBET brings lots Suffering & Ecological Disasters. Railway Development is only helping Chinese Army & its migration. "Today TIBET looks like Hell on this Earth". People of TIBET want to live in PEACE, enough wit ur Dictatorship.

[wengkeat5]

@20097sam tibet your mom. who the fuck cares about those peace-loving dogs who call themselves men?

[20097sam]

His Dictatorship legacy remains, Today CCP is celebrating 60yrs, on that cost 54 millions Peoples Killed by Mao & his CCP & killing goes on. When talking about PEACE cannot achieve from Gun points, it should come Peoples Heart & FREEDOM is main Source. When we look at TIBET, its looks like Hell on this Earth & FREEDOM re very Strange word for them.

[laowai121]

54 millions people got killed by Mao? what the fuck do you have any evidence that support your word? god ,people are stupid

[20097sam]

Mao has said, "A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth. u repeating again. you must know, how to tell lie, I'm not Mao's kid, in China from Childhood, they learn how to tell lie becoz they don't have choice, once u tell lie then always be a liar.

Truthful will come out & in the end evil will lost & truth will prevail.

Our Struggle for TIBET Continue

FREE TIBET FREE TIBET FREE TIBET

[20097sam]

You grow up in a Dictator State, know nothing about FREEDOM, past 60yrs CCP Atrocity is taking place, Killing more then 1.2 Millions Tibetan & Killing goes Continue..People of TIBET has enough wit ur Brutal Dictatorship.

You must know, Im not Dictator Maos New generation, he saids "A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth & u r his New Generation, know nothing then tell Lie, Im sure wat u has learnt History is also falsify Maos interpretation.

[20097sam]

China has Tradition of lying & Dictating its own Citizen & its neighbours, when u look at History of China, its works like machine, only Profit Orientated Business, not considering of its People in the middle or its Social Structure. Today no one Trust Chinas Policy & Colonialism never works, without trust from People there is no Fundamental, at the end justice will prevail for People of Tibet, get its FREEDOM.

[j0n52]

The 20 million migrant workers will just migrate back to a healthier lifestyle; no pollution, no stress, no takeaway food, no problem. The 8 million university graduates can migrate to Taiwan, HK, and Tibet.

[devilsoe]

20097sam by the way you are so.... one sided idealogy cannot last longer i think because of too much freedom you said your country have too many crimes and drugs too much too much freedom don't look one side look from all angle you will understand what the world is look like thanks

[RedHotGoku]

China will have a growth of 8%, whether you like it or not. And I think you should grab YOUR company owners by their silk ties and say that to them.

[Creator01]

It's actually quite funny how they are so amazed by 20 million people unemployed in China. FFS, look at how many people there are in China, 1.3 BILLION people! Do you honestly think that a few 20 million people would even affect China's economy? Nope it wouldn't. It's like comparing 56 billion dollars to 100 million dollars.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Yeah. The migrant workers can simply go back to the farms.

[khalidshou]

We ppl r talking abt economy, plz talk abt economy, thanks. If u like to talk abt human rights and tibeten issues, there r planty of vedios abt those things, u can go there, thanks.

it is like u love to talk abt shit and piss in the restaurant where ppl love to talk abt food. if u dont care, plz care others.

[jackrowet1234]

Public Security! You hear that China? That means the people on top are getting paranoid about citizens getting "unruly"

[fatpiglazy2]

Why is it always white people chinese people this or that. I am chinese And i love Hu and Wen. They are not the president but they certainly are better then bush.

[20097sam]

President Bush gone, President Hu Jintao & Wen Jiabo r Dictator, they r next to arrest by UN IC Court, unless change its policy & efforts to bring peace and stability in Tibet. Stop Killing.

Time is come to CHANGE. 50 years r enough, u did nothing good, u misses your chance.

Free Tibet is definitely on the rise. Lets all work together.

[fatpiglazy2]

say w/e you want foreigner, you country owe us to much money to do anything. you country more importantly your goverment has failed you.

[20097sam]

the Chinese leadership's attitude is abuse of its own citizens & downgrade human-rights priorities. How long Chinese People will take this as nothing?

Human rights is much more importan then Money, so let's all work together.

[douboymk2]

and you slave lords in exile wee better at least we bring wealth to our people as well

[fatpiglazy2]

Where you get this from? I have lived in China for 10+ years. There is no rasictism and no war on anyone. Can give me any evidence human-rights problem from a chinese?? (FLG doesn't count).

[20097sam]

If no human-rights violation in China, why student revolution in Tiananmen Sq. on June 4. why thousands students have lost their lives, why members of Federation for a Democratic China join Tibet peaceful programmes in India.

They have Big Problem in China, why not admiting.

[fatpiglazy2]

thousands? WE have billions of students, so what if 0.0001% people went crazy. honestly I don't know what happened since I was just born that year.

Democratic China party? There are those everywhere in the world. WE have many of those here in Canada. Thats like me going to china and start comunist party of America....stupid??

Sure we have some internal problems. Is there a country that doesn't have problems? But atleast we don't declare war on other country and killing millions of civilans.

[20097sam]

How can u declare war on others, u have war on your own people, what a Gov. killing its own Citizen. So u have no sympathy for those young Students, how inhuman u Chinese are. Only money in ur Brain. Luckly I'm not part of these inhuman people.

[fatpiglazy2]

what are you talking about? We have SOME money compare to what we have before. West is the still richest in the world. We have a little more money then we have before you all got jealous. War on own people? really do we have kkk? nazi?? red necks??? do you know how many their own country people they killed simply becuase they are "different"?

[20097sam]

U gave Nazi example, compare to modern Age youre the WORSE then that time because past 50 yrs every countries works for improve its Human Right & ur Country went to exact opposite site.

So KILLER remains Killing.

[singrider]

So human right is so important in your mind? emmmmmm I care about money far more than human right since I cought buy any thing i want via money.

[20097sam]

Fact is that China remain a Dictator State, a Country that have no Culture or moral background, a country that no rule of Law. You can prostitute yourself with these Dictator, get lots of Money, after that they'll kill u, u can take money wit ur dead body.

Big tragic for the World, People of Tibet are Nonviolent, Peace loving People, has not earned this. Stop Merciless Killing in Tibet.

[yururu84]

what a stupid mind of china,U know where is the Tibet?China remain a Dictator State?This is the biggest joke in the planet,who is the Dictator?HU?BUT 4 years after he must would be replaced,u KNOW TOO LITTLE ABOUT CHINA,PLZ stop your untruth word,thanks

[20097sam]

If not a Dictator State, why they killing so many Nonviolent Tibetan & why they killing somany student revolution in Tiananmen Sq. Without a Dictator State, it is not possible to kill their own Citizen.

Stop Merciless Killing in Tibet.

[liebstandarteadolf]

You heard him, answer the question who is the dictator?

And what is it that prevent democracies from killing their own citizens, do you suggest?

You might consider modifying your statement about the impossibility of democracies killing their own citizens, before I embarrass you.

[liebstandarteadolf]

My winding wits cannot find a word to describe your utter stupidity.

[20097sam]

I was hoping for new generation, they may be more Human approach but this is not the case, so u Chinese remains an Evil as for ever, I can imagine u have no sympathy to ur students killed by ur own soldier how can have sympathy towards others namely Tibet.

Regarding money compare to west u may not live; it takes another 50 years or more.

[fatpiglazy2]

you say chinese solider kill hundred of students conspiracy against the goverment is evil. But the west killing MILLIONS in the middle east, is okay??

[20097sam]

that's your weakness, instead improving your Human Right, Killing goes continue...

"We are here to tell the world that 50 years of occupation, 50 years of persecution, 50 years of genocide is too long" & enough is enough, 50 years r enough.

"This struggle for Tibetan freedom will gain momentum until Tibet is free"

If u want 2 see objective report from Tibet, allow to go journalist, think that is not going to happen becoz u have much to hide, namely your country's atrocities.

[fatpiglazy2]

I like the way you talk, eveything about another country. Nothing about your own country, I am guessing you live in dreamland and your country is perfect in every way. That you have so much time to critices other country??

[20097sam]

It didnt means we have any problem, we have Problem & solve through legal means but in China some minor complain you have land in jail, this is biggest Problem, a healthy Society need Open, Fairness & Free minded critic. In China Suppression is only their engine. Language of Violence is not only to solve the Problem. How inhuman some of u Chinese R?

[fatpiglazy2]

Have you been to china? talk to you is like talk to a frog in a well. You really need to go to china and see for yourself. I don't know why west is the only people complain about the chinese goverment. you seem to think you know the chinese and chinese goverment better then the chinese.

[20097sam]

Seriously, how can we go there, u locked whole Tibet, made a big Prison. People can't go in or out, becoz of lots much to hide & killing continue.. ..

If China have not hide some thing, let allow to go journalist.

[fatpiglazy2]

again with another country. Please stay in your imagry world and shut up.

[20097sam]

Again u cant say wat to do on me, if u dont like my comment, u dont need to reply. This is my Right to give Comment when ever I want. Im struggling ur Dictatorship Policy in TIBET & now u want Dictate on ME. Enough is enough & 50 years r enough, u EVIL Chinese.

U always suspicions and lacking in self-confidence, becoz your immoral TIBET Invasion & Killing continue. suffer under such grave brutality, Tibetan will not tolerate & rebellion will come.

[liebstandarteadolf]

These foreigh journalists don't do good. As we have seen many times, they will see China in a negative light and will not give a fair representation of the country. MOst of the foreign journalist that even bother to come to Tibet have a given hypothesis to proove that is "how Tibetans are being treated badly", rather than an open ended objective to find out the truth.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Current overseas Pro-Tibet demonstration are likely held by former slave masters of Tibet and their descents. Riots in Tibet are instigate by followers of that group who snuck into Tibet from India and Nepal. Recently Nepalese police arrested 3 buses of these problem makers. Chinese border guard will also arrest these kind of people. Now try and find flaws in their story.

[liebstandarteadolf]

It's simply illogical to say that Tibetans are being mistreated for their race. Chinese children are not educated that way, and I wasn't. Unlike you I can hardly tell a Chinese ethnicity without him/herself revealing it. Furthermore, communism soughts to promote equlity in all respects including race and sex.

[liebstandarteadolf]

I'm sick and tired of hearing foreigners say "in China, they....." You know nothing about China compared to Chinese. You impudently think a few hours of skewd presentation of my motherland can bestow you the righteousness to point the finger at her? No. I lived in China for 13 years. I think I know my country better than you.

[liebstandarteadolf]

I have heard enoough about Tibet from my firends who have been there to make an objective judgement.

The current Chinese official account of the events about Tibet leading up to the present day is that Dalai Lama had been the vice chairman of the National People's Congress until in 1956 the Chinese decided to abolish serfdom in Tibet, upon which the Tibetan ruling class disagreed and rebelled and finally exiled.

[liebstandarteadolf]

There is no atrocities, but there are things to hide from your unscrupulous journalists before they spin it into something outrageously ridiculous.

[20097sam]

Im struggling ur Dictatorship Policy in TIBET & Enough is enough & 50 years r enough, u EVIL Chinese.

U always suspicions and lacking in self-confidence, becoz your immoral TIBET Invasion & Killing continue. suffer under such grave brutality, Tibetan will not tolerate & rebellion will come.

[lichaonz]

You are a delusional freak. We Chinese are pround of rid of the serfdom/slavery system in Tiebt and rid of the opressing class out of Tibet. Try go to Tibet and findout, remember you need a visa from Chinese Embassy!

[20097sam]

Paramilitary police have sealed off whole Tibet & Tibetan areas of China to foreigners since Tuesday amid tensions surrounding the anniversaries of the 1959 uprising and violent protests last year. Foreign journalists and tourists have been barred from almost all Tibetan areas as the government tightened border security.

U suspicions all & lost all moral ground. Free Tibet is definitely on the rise.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Hahahaha. Pathetic. I'm only suspicious with you and full of confidence. You pass judgement on things that you don't even know.

Tibetans get free money without doing anything. They won't revolt. The ones that revolt are sent to do so, by you people.

You haven't contributed anything meaningful in this discussion, rather kept saying Chinese are evil, blah blah blah. We have heard enough of your stories.

[20097sam]

If they have no Revolt, why Tibet been sealed off incl. Tibetan areas in whole china, these People r just pesceful Domenstrating their Right, & u sent 10000s Paramilitary police & killing goes continue.... So u feel guilty of these misleading ur work.

Free Tibet is definitely on the rise.

[liebstandarteadolf]

You haven't been reading my posts. If you did, you would have known why Tibet has been sealed off.

You can assume what goes on in there however you like. Your fallacious reasoning is unlikely to convince anyone other than biggots like yourself.

[20097sam]

I saw all these wat u has done in Tibet. I been few times in China & Tibet & wat did in Tibet r inhuman, People of Tibet has not earn this, living in big prison. Now u sealed off whole Tibetan areas.

We all love Freedom & why not for Tibetan, they are the mostly suffering from your severe Policy.

[RedHotGoku]

Every country DOES infact oppress people. All countries do and it is simply arrogant for someone to say that a specific country does not oppress its people, it does happen everywhere, so that means China is not the only one with human rights abuse issue. China is only being targeted because they are another growing super power that poses a threat to the West need for future resources. And besides, do you think Tibet would be better of being a Theocracy? You call that Freedom?

[guardcorp]

I agree.

[20097sam]

Wat ever u agree or not.

Fact that TIBET gone from bad to terrible.

Tibet is like a gigantic prison camp & "hell on earth" .

"This struggle for Tibetan freedom will gain momentum until Tibet is free"

[20097sam]

So u r proud of wat China has terrorising its own Citizen rite? u r talking about 50yrs before TIBET,wat we talking about during 50yrs, has terrorice whole TIBET & make Biggest Prison Camp.

"This struggle for Tibetan freedom will gain momentum until Tibet is free"

[RedHotGoku]

I said that China does opress, but it's not the only country in the world that does it. After Tibet broke away from the ROC, it was a Theocracy. You know what that is? Tibet wasn't better than a Prison camp back then!

[20097sam]

Tibet is much better off then China, time is changing u cann't compare wit before 50yrs. That time China was even not a sovereign state & Tibet was a Independence state. So wake up 50yrs is enough. Dictatorship Policy in TIBET must Stop.

[RedHotGoku]

I bet you don't even know what a Theocracy is. Tibet was part of the ROC in 1912 since it was created, after some time KMT failed to hold it's autonomous regions and Tibet went back being a Feudalist Theocracy. And if China is a communist dictatorship, it shouldn't have opened it's gates to the rest of the world.

[20097sam]

Stop talking about 50yrs back, Tibet today is Modern Democracy & Tib. History, such as the perpetual treaty of 821AD, clearly referred to Tibet as an independent country. A report by the International Commission of Jurists issued after Tibets return to the motherl. also attested to Tibets existence as a sovereign legal entity. But in Chinas, international law was a very malleable concept indeed.

Land that no rule of law, law means for their own proposed & terroring their own people.

[RedHotGoku]

Yes, and since when was the Van lake area a part from Turkey? Since when was Corsica a part from France? Since when was Gibraltar a part from GB? Why don't you go protest against this. China is still a developing country, and the legislation there is not strong enough as in developed countries and it still needs years to come for being developed. So don't think they can improve everything within one day.

[20097sam]

Yon can charge anything, but you Chinese are not allege say anything unless you have a elected Government & Dictator have nothing to say in Free world because these Government are Democratically Elected, & remember above mention Countries, they all have referendum on this matter, if Chinese have encourage, lets Tibet have their own Referendum, so that you will earn respect, that you real needed because here in West thinks you are evil.

[RedHotGoku]

But China doesn't have a Dictator. The only 2 dictators China had were Mao ZeDong and Chiang Kai Shek. And we don't care if the West likes us or not. Maybe an individualist like you thinks China and Chinese people are evil, but there are alot of foreigners (even Westerners) who love China and Chinese ppl and they don't care if it's socialist or not.

[20097sam]

Of course China is a Dictator, NO Opposition & one Party System, NO Freedom of Speech, NO Free Press, NO Basic Human Right & NO Religion Freedom, without these Basic Right it is Alleged to be a Dictator State.

PEOPLES FREEDOM should be Principal of any Gov. in Power.

[RedHotGoku]

If you think China is still being ruled by a communist dictator, then you can name me ONE city where propaganda posters are hung wich depicts Wen Jiaobao's figure or you can tell me if the red guard still exists. A Communist dictator would never open it's countrys gates to the rest of the world. And most of us don't give a rats ass about Freedom of Speech or Free press and China is still developing so basic human rights will definetely be accepted within a few years.

[20097sam]

I can tell this Story to a small Child, We dont believe a single word, past 50yrs CCPs telling same story, Human Right improvement will come & 60yrs in Power, instead of improvement being worsening its Human Right. People of Tibet living under constant Fear of ur reprisals. So without serious negotiations, & a political solution, there will be only instability — just what Beijings leaders fear, at the end Tibet will break away.

FREEDOM will Prevail.

[RedHotGoku]

we have much more freedom to speak about anything. That is true we seldom to vote on any issues, but our government is much more efficient to develop our economy than other countries.

elections should be held in the future, here is an example in ROC, taiwan, which demonstrates that Chinese can set up and run this system.

[20097sam]

If Chinese have their FREEDOM, then I think either u dont understand wat real FREEDOM means or ur sons & daughters of CCP, that getting privilege.

Here we r talking about General Public of China & TIBET, for them FREEDOM is v. strange word to hear.

Let us be realistic, FREEDOM is every Bodys Interest, so CCP not Up-to-date, well struggling wit United.

[RedHotGoku]

Oh so you mean China has to be a Democracy? Don't you know what the effects will be if China  accepts Democracy now?

[liebstandarteadolf]

Then you have opted for a tyrant.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Oh. What a coincidence, so have I. And I saw quite the opposite. Are you sure you weren't overly immersed in your contemplation?

[20097sam]

For Chinese cost u millions but not working, these days u have started spending $ mils. to try to change this Fashion but working contra becoz we have enough wit ur propaganda, since u did nothing good for Tibet & its man kind as whole. Result; 1.2 million Tibetan people has been Killed &thousands students has been Killed in Tiananmen Square, still in Power, wake up Chinese People.

[liebstandarteadolf]

I can't read your expression. Would you mind rephrasing it to make it more comprehensible?

We have had enough of your own prpaganda. China is not another Soviet Union.

[20097sam]

Soviet Union was served & Chinas CCP will be next, actually it should serve the man kind but very contra more Harming for Chinese people & in General. This Kind of Gov. one is too much. Histories tell us, every ½ century their r coming Revolution & erase these Dictatorship. Wake Up Chinese People.

TIME TO CHANGE NOW. We from Freedom Lover from around the World r wit u.

[RedHotGoku]

Democracy will solve nothing if China accepts it now, it will be plunged in a civil war likely within a year and then it will be seperated within 56 different countries. You want this to happen? Unfortunately, it won't.

[20097sam]

This is the Problem, for us is Freedom is more Important then Ideology, Democracy is more Important then Ideology, Freedom of Expression is more Important then Ideology, Free Press is more Important then Ideology, Two Parties System is more Important then Ideology.

Ideology is just excuse to stay in Power, on that cost Mils. of suffering under this Policy.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Hahahah. It's more like you want to see us screw ourselves up in a revolution. NOt in your life time mate.

[20097sam]

This is ur wishful thinking, People have enough wit ur corrupt Dictatorship Policy & revolt only remains option.

Chinese authorities viewed the Tibetan people as criminals deserving to be put to death. & Chinas president, Hu Jintao, called for building a Great Wall of stability in Tibet. But without serious negotiations & a political solution, there will be only instability — just what Beijings leaders fear, at the end Tibet will break away.

[liebstandarteadolf]

I have not seen any conclusive evidence, but you convoluted theory and accusations.

I hope I won't have to reiterate myself again. You know simply too little about China.

[20097sam]

Or u knows too little about Rest of World. FREEDOM is flourishing elsewhere outside from China.

Let us be realistic, FREEDOM is every Bodys Interest & CCP not Up-to-date, well struggling wit United.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Your philosophy is very primitive.

I'm realistic. Freedom is everyone's desire. CCP is in fact very up-to-date in this respect. It recognises that blindly following this fad of "democracy " especially western democracy will have disastrous consequences for the nation. History has been evident of this. The transformation have been and will have to be gradual. And the changes are plain to see if you elect to.

[20097sam]

This is just excuse & arguments from CCP to just stay in Power; we have well Documented History of Taiwan & HK during British Rule. These r Chinese too, now Taiwan Democracy is working v. well. One-party System dictatorship not up-to-date in today world, u can see, this week new rule against Free Press,

I think China is going to dead-end street. Wake Up before too late.

[liebstandarteadolf]

Those are territories of fairly small sizes without much diversity and that have a relatively high income per capita. History has shown that as a nation income per capita increases, it tends towards democracy (not necessarily the western type). And that's what I have oberved of China. I see slight and cautious changes with time rather than some people see how far they are still from USA. Until I see no improvement in that respect, I deem CCP competent.

[RedHotGoku]

So you think China is a communist dictatorship? You dumbass, if China is communist. Then I have a question for you: how can a country have a stock exchange and be communist at the same time?

[20097sam]

Every County have this, that keeps Communist feeding. I been few times in China & Tibet & wat did in Tibet r inhuman, People of Tibet has not earn this, living in big prison. Now sealed off whole Tibetan areas.

We all love Freedom & why not for Tibetan, they are the mostly suffering from your severe Policy.

[singrider]

we care about the people already dead. care more about the alive ones. more job and more money.

[wengkeat5]

@20097sam where do you get your philosophical bullshit? the rebel dogs deserved to die for attempting to resist mao. you think the government was gonna 'negotiate' with a couple of annoying rebel university students? try giving an example where a government ever negotiated with rioters in the streets?

[douboymk2]

blah blah. theyll arrest dliar for slave runing before that happens

[20097sam]

How Guilty u Chinese feel, Tibet is like a gigantic prison camp, 50 years immoral criminal killing & killing goes continue...............

I think Chinese Communist r Inhuman.

[singrider]

Well a easiler solution is just kill all who want to take our land....far more acceptable by the Chinese than free tibet.

And it only hurt very small amount of humanity, and everyone else is happy, not noise of T-back.

[20097sam]

International Criminal Court to arrest Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir on war crimes. China oppose is immediately very clear, because it fear there own, its could be face one day Chinese leader, namely President Hu Jintao or Wen Jiabo but fear is legitimate, unless change its policy & efforts to bring peace and stability in Tibet.

Time is come to CHANGE. 50 years r enough, u did nothing good, u misses your chance.

Free Tibet is definitely on the rise. Lets all work together.

[holunhoyeah]

tibet is free as soon as tibetan exiles can build 60 submarine, 100 warhsips, 2 million ground troops and 100 thousands missiles. until then, free tibetan exiles in US or UK.

[20097sam]

This is your wishful thinking, Tibetan & all Peace Lover around the world will fight wit nonviolent mean, like we had in 90s in Russian all falling in parts, and later same did former Yugoslavia, now left only Serbian.

Time is come to CHANGE. 50 years r enough, u did nothing good, u misses your chance.

Free Tibet is definitely on the rise. Let us see u 10 March.

[douboymk2]

hahahaha i think chinese military already wiped out any sourcesof otential violence last year.

and you lot can drop the greater tibet shit to. Those are chinese cities built for chinese. not for tiebtans who contributed nothin. And the difference is the other parts, excluding tbegs want to reain as part of china.

[manhattanwombat]

first!