If he didn't do a cutaway, and had left the main chute with the twist in it, would it have been ok anyway? It seemed like the main chute was completely open and deployed.
@SamJendo1 it wouldnt have been fatal BUT with the twists you have no control and instead of landing at ten miles an hour (or in a slight wind nearly zero) you get to land at around 30 mph. Definitely NOT something you want to do with someone attached to you as it makes PLF kinda difficult.
Thank the mighty unknown this didn't happen on my 1st tandem or i'd never get my certificate. Maybe it's time for my reserve to have a reserve ,,,the more the merrier plus you'll get to dive from higher altitude and your ride will be longer . Now can someone please start inventing a reserve reserve ,,,or do i have to do it myself?
@geektoro they make front reserves. When you are diving and plan on doing an "intentional" cutaway you must ride with two reserves. You may have seen bear grylls do his intentional cutaway - he had two reserves (or he was supposed to!)
Usually in line twists you can kick em undone. The instructor was trying that, but it wouldn't untwist, you can see the canopy open and slowing them down. But ya gotta chop it if it doesn't . Was that some skydiver humor there at :52 " wait a minute"?
O crap, thats intense, and the tendem master keeps his calm all the way, awsome. Check out the passanger, he even kept his cool, must have had lots of faith in the instructor. Very cool video. Used to get plenty of line twists when i was still buzy with my static line jumps, but you can kick them out easily, guess its a bit more tricky with a passanger on board.
@para5261 Student may not have had a clue. As the teenage Australian girl who last summer sailed around the world alone said, "extreme danger is not the time to go to pieces." :-) I'm new to the sport, only had two line twists that were severe enough to even look up at.
@Lowerlighter the design of the reserve is pretty much identical to most mains, the main difference is the packing procedure,rarely used canopy, the lack of connected d bag, and a certified rigger who maintains and packs it every re-pack cycle which is often. the reserve is pretty much just another parachute. most reserves are 7 cell opposed to most mains which are 9 cell canopies. it takes about 30 minutes to 1 hour to pack a tandem reserve canopy, most mains only take 5 minutes or less.
Hey guys, is the reserve chute safer than the main? cuz I think once you cutaway the main and open the reserve, it must be really scarying to look up in order to see if the chute opened properly!
Hey, your lines are twisted and you have no luck correcting it, a frightened passenger trying to work out what is going on .... were you really as happy as you looked or is that just your way of keeping a cool head when things don't go quite right?
hardley ever, its packed differently to the main canopy, so it opens quicker than the main, less comfortable for the skydiver as their deceleration is much quicker = higher G-forces, but for obvious reasons, safer. If in the very unlikely event it does fail, it's likely to be human error, like an unstable release than anything else
There have been quite a few cases where they got double malfunctions, although the chances of that happening is extremely slim. that is why you get a reserve repack every 6months. Inspect your rig and reserve. A record is signed off by the rigger after completing the pack job, and ur good for 6months again, unless you have used your reserve.
wow, great instructor. I like it how the instructor said "oh shit" then a few moments later whilst he was still cutting he said to the student, "its fine"
love the girl and the other guy the girls like when do we hit the ground and the experien enced guys like o my god omg and all coserned then ;like whew that was close and laghs
everytime i watch one of these i cant believe how calm you guys are, id be screaming like a bitch and just smack the ground probably, just freeze in horror lol
hi a question ive always wanted to know why is it that the reserve chute does not have a pilot chute attached to it and you see it fly off when activated?
The pilot chute helps deploy the parachute. Attached pilot chutes are a convenient luxury. On a main parachute we accept the risk of entanglement since we have a spare. But when down to that last canopy we want more reliability and less risk.
Both main and reserve parachutes are packed inside a bag, and the pilot chute is attached to the bag. On deployment, the pilot chute pulls the bag out of the parachute rig, and the parachute deploys out of the bag. At that point, you no longer need the pilot chute. For main canopies, we permanently attach the bags (and therefore the reserve as well) to the main canopy so we don't lose it. On a reserve, we don't need the added complication of stuff attached to and dragging from the canopy.
This one had no skyhook. The 'Thanksgiving Mal' was skyhook deployed. So far I've had 5 tandem mals, 3 on handicam video. 2 were on outside video, but one of those I lost and the other didn't show anything.
I have had two tandem cutaways, both with skyhooks. The one in the video sure looks fast like a skyhook, I guess the RSL is pretty damn fast too. Nice Job.
Reserve chutes are packed (in the U.S.) by an FAA Licensed Riggers. I won't say they will always deploy but I've never heard of a case where neither chute opened.
I've heard of them not opening, but the most common problem is an entanglement with the reserve. I've also heard many stories of riggers repacking reserves that would never have worked because of molar straps left inside the pack job or a skyhook installed incorrectly. I've heard of Rapide links not closed on one tandem reserve that was used, the links were bent when they landed, they were bloody lucky. If you want a guarantee buy a toaster.
Had the same thing on a crossbraced Hop heading the wrong way out to sea some time ago. The Cross Braced version just like a small high performance canopy is less forgiving with line twists and all efforts to kick out failed. Yes it is harder to kick out of them tandem but usually not a problem at all. There are times like this video and my situation though when Murphys law was there!
Are you the tandem instructor? I think the student handled the cut away very well as did the instructor, I'm starting my AFF course in a few weeks, can't wait.
love the passengers reaction...TM "we're gonna go for another ride"...rider "yuuup"...then he has a smile on his face...good for you.... hope that rider got hooked did his aff and loves skydiving as much as the rest of us..
In a low speed malfunction, with a fully inflated canopy, I made a reasonable effort to kick out of the line twists. When that did not work, right-left.
twisted lines are considered partial malfunctions, also after untwising your lines you have the risk or broken lines, if at cutaway altitude with even 2 twists left it is safe to cutaway if your not experienced so u dont run into that problem. anyways. that skydive is worth 2 cases from the student, and 1 from the instructor
i am thnking of doing a tandem in june, im having second thoughts..........
barbara8512 1 month ago
if you cant untangle a line twist then you have no steering. Love the "we're gonna go for another ride" :p
xdaughertyx 2 months ago
Seriously the WORST time possible to hear any variety of 'oh shit' or 'we have a problem'. That said, handled like a pro. Well done.
spot5 3 months ago
If he didn't do a cutaway, and had left the main chute with the twist in it, would it have been ok anyway? It seemed like the main chute was completely open and deployed.
SamJendo1 3 months ago
@SamJendo1 it wouldnt have been fatal BUT with the twists you have no control and instead of landing at ten miles an hour (or in a slight wind nearly zero) you get to land at around 30 mph. Definitely NOT something you want to do with someone attached to you as it makes PLF kinda difficult.
ncsquirll 2 months ago
Loved the look of relief on the student's face after the reserve opened.
carnivalwrestler 4 months ago
cool as shit instructor...
azamothasaurus 4 months ago
Amazing!
thatdevilguy 4 months ago
U gotta have your descision alt. If u can't get theine twist undone its time to cut. Way to keep Ur head cool :)
nickolaguez 5 months ago
wasnt that just a line twist? you didnt have to cutaway?
coopmuch56 5 months ago
p.s. ,,, great job instructor ...u da man!
geektoro 7 months ago
Thank the mighty unknown this didn't happen on my 1st tandem or i'd never get my certificate. Maybe it's time for my reserve to have a reserve ,,,the more the merrier plus you'll get to dive from higher altitude and your ride will be longer . Now can someone please start inventing a reserve reserve ,,,or do i have to do it myself?
geektoro 7 months ago
@geektoro they make front reserves. When you are diving and plan on doing an "intentional" cutaway you must ride with two reserves. You may have seen bear grylls do his intentional cutaway - he had two reserves (or he was supposed to!)
ncsquirll 2 months ago
50 seconds to decide to cutaway - to long for my personal taste as a TI. but I wasn't there...
TheFeuergnom 7 months ago
@omargomarg
Totally agree. If you have the type of personality that tends to "shut down" or panic in the face of emergency, this may not be the sport for you.
I'm glad to see that all ended well.
DotsPoetryCorner 8 months ago
Usually in line twists you can kick em undone. The instructor was trying that, but it wouldn't untwist, you can see the canopy open and slowing them down. But ya gotta chop it if it doesn't . Was that some skydiver humor there at :52 " wait a minute"?
Bambadda 8 months ago
O crap, thats intense, and the tendem master keeps his calm all the way, awsome. Check out the passanger, he even kept his cool, must have had lots of faith in the instructor. Very cool video. Used to get plenty of line twists when i was still buzy with my static line jumps, but you can kick them out easily, guess its a bit more tricky with a passanger on board.
para5261 9 months ago
@para5261 Student may not have had a clue. As the teenage Australian girl who last summer sailed around the world alone said, "extreme danger is not the time to go to pieces." :-) I'm new to the sport, only had two line twists that were severe enough to even look up at.
PotatoGunsRule 8 months ago
Yeah were okay........shit
ShakyBones797 9 months ago
Amazingly calm :|
Matt4Badgers 9 months ago
Great composure....10/10
OutbackAL 10 months ago
I suppose it is safer. The reserve system has some design differences and is packed more carefully. It is the last chance to get a good parachute.
Lowerlighter 1 year ago 3
@Lowerlighter Well done man, kept your cool-that was good :)
digitalkicks 11 months ago
@Lowerlighter the design of the reserve is pretty much identical to most mains, the main difference is the packing procedure,rarely used canopy, the lack of connected d bag, and a certified rigger who maintains and packs it every re-pack cycle which is often. the reserve is pretty much just another parachute. most reserves are 7 cell opposed to most mains which are 9 cell canopies. it takes about 30 minutes to 1 hour to pack a tandem reserve canopy, most mains only take 5 minutes or less.
ivebeenrocked 6 months ago
Hey guys, is the reserve chute safer than the main? cuz I think once you cutaway the main and open the reserve, it must be really scarying to look up in order to see if the chute opened properly!
emersonpla 1 year ago
I had the exact same experience! My instructor said "I guess we have an issue here".
"okay... you kidding?" I responded.
It was good to be back on the ground safe!
viralutube 1 year ago
i never wanna hear my skydiving instructor say sh!t
crazyyoyoer37 1 year ago
That instructor has balls of steel.
TheHiznor 1 year ago
The tandem instructor should have offered to let him cut the chute away.
ShakyBones797 1 year ago
"here we go for another ride" xD
The instructor was funny even in trouble! Well done!
uraniumcyrus 1 year ago
lol. Another ride. Lucky bastard :-) Glad everyone was safe however!
NateTheGreatPilot 1 year ago
i swear line twists are just nuisance factors....or is this a major one where you can't solve it??
itstimetodrum 1 year ago
im going sky diving with my wife and 5 friends this saturday...hopefully goes alittle smoother than this
DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY 1 year ago
Now that's a tandem jump!
FarceTheory 1 year ago
Hey, your lines are twisted and you have no luck correcting it, a frightened passenger trying to work out what is going on .... were you really as happy as you looked or is that just your way of keeping a cool head when things don't go quite right?
tpsossff 1 year ago
Good student there......looked like he either had no clue or was pretty calm. Good work man!
PotatoGunsRule 1 year ago
Twist the risers, next time. I've gotten out of really bad line twists.
cameraflyer 1 year ago
But hey, if you think about it. What do u care the most about; the 3 grand or ur life?
OakleyHenke 1 year ago
what a cool punk...."for another ride" - pro !!!!
Nilz4FR 1 year ago
"Did you like that?"
"Hell yeah!"
"Good, cause we're going to do it again."
Nicely done.
flyhi 1 year ago
really great
wolperlira 2 years ago
I don't know anything about skydiving. I'm wondering how likely the reserve chute fails??
vascularcylinder 2 years ago
hardley ever, its packed differently to the main canopy, so it opens quicker than the main, less comfortable for the skydiver as their deceleration is much quicker = higher G-forces, but for obvious reasons, safer. If in the very unlikely event it does fail, it's likely to be human error, like an unstable release than anything else
askewstuart 2 years ago
@askewstuart
Thank you! :D
vascularcylinder 2 years ago
Same to me.. also wondering.
EftelFan 2 years ago
very unlikely the chances of your pilot chute malfunctioning are not that likely and is usually due to human error
M1sd1rect10n 2 years ago
There have been quite a few cases where they got double malfunctions, although the chances of that happening is extremely slim. that is why you get a reserve repack every 6months. Inspect your rig and reserve. A record is signed off by the rigger after completing the pack job, and ur good for 6months again, unless you have used your reserve.
Blue Skies
Ziro54 2 years ago
@ Ziro54,
Thank you for the info! :D
vascularcylinder 2 years ago
the probability of both chutes failing is like .00005%. ur more likely to win the lottery 5 times in a row..
bojek1990 1 year ago
HAHAHA! Thanks man!
vascularcylinder 1 year ago
"...gotta go for another ride..."...How cool is that?!...
Gret job, man.
CARCINOMA31 2 years ago 2
that instructor is one smooth operator, easily could have been a lot worse
KA1040 2 years ago 2
Icarus tandem canopy huh?!!
bitemyclown 2 years ago
And yet another chilled out Instructor ACE!!
pazebo 2 years ago 2
that was smooth...i'm jumping w/him ;)
mobmusic76 2 years ago
wow, great instructor. I like it how the instructor said "oh shit" then a few moments later whilst he was still cutting he said to the student, "its fine"
zF15z 2 years ago 2
damn :D
Sepp08 2 years ago
kept a cool head - nice one
alun101 2 years ago
nice camera angles.... who was holding that!!!
JuiceBanger1 2 years ago 6
wow student kept very calm. im sure it's easier for the instructor without a flailing screaming person straped to them. well done!
bettyboop392 2 years ago 2
kept real cool . . . .good job.thanks for sharing.
badmattam 2 years ago
love the girl and the other guy the girls like when do we hit the ground and the experien enced guys like o my god omg and all coserned then ;like whew that was close and laghs
sowillitburn 2 years ago
hahaha "ups".. love this video...
fadetoblack3500 2 years ago
good that they found it back
how much woudl a enw one cost?
vincentsro 2 years ago
about $3grand
Lowerlighter 2 years ago
good job done buy the way
toot1000000 2 years ago
hey when you execute this cut away dose it automaticly open th reserve ?looked like it did 1.04
toot1000000 2 years ago
It looks like his equipment has whats called a RSL or reserve static line.
Boasandpythons 2 years ago
everytime i watch one of these i cant believe how calm you guys are, id be screaming like a bitch and just smack the ground probably, just freeze in horror lol
noserider207 2 years ago
Then you aren't the kind of person that should be skydiving. :)
Scotophobic 2 years ago
Cool thanks for the advice, just passed levels 1-4 in aff. Should I quit?
noserider207 2 years ago
Twice the ride for single the price!.
Nice video, how is the handy cam attached to your hand.? Isn't it hard to get the handles with a camera mounted on your hand?
Blue Skies
Hollowmannl 2 years ago
We wear a special glove, it's a little awkward.
Lowerlighter 2 years ago
@Lowerlighter It looks it!
thesolo 1 year ago
i love how the tandem student just laughs after the reserve opens....looks like that handy cam can back up some stories huh?
freakfly4220 2 years ago
two jumps for the price of one. lucky jumper
beardedswine 2 years ago 2
nice!! and the main canopy was recovered... the most important part! lol
mcbawsack 2 years ago
hi a question ive always wanted to know why is it that the reserve chute does not have a pilot chute attached to it and you see it fly off when activated?
hondacrazy123 3 years ago
The pilot chute helps deploy the parachute. Attached pilot chutes are a convenient luxury. On a main parachute we accept the risk of entanglement since we have a spare. But when down to that last canopy we want more reliability and less risk.
Lowerlighter 3 years ago 4
Both main and reserve parachutes are packed inside a bag, and the pilot chute is attached to the bag. On deployment, the pilot chute pulls the bag out of the parachute rig, and the parachute deploys out of the bag. At that point, you no longer need the pilot chute. For main canopies, we permanently attach the bags (and therefore the reserve as well) to the main canopy so we don't lose it. On a reserve, we don't need the added complication of stuff attached to and dragging from the canopy.
lxapilot118 2 years ago
@hondacrazy123 Reserve actually shoots out under spring tension. More reliable that way.
PotatoGunsRule 8 months ago
veRy nice & calm...
some people just dont crack underpressure :)
omargomarg 3 years ago 17
Nice shot. I haven't chopped one with handcam yet. Was there a Skyhook?
lawyerwebb 3 years ago
This one had no skyhook. The 'Thanksgiving Mal' was skyhook deployed. So far I've had 5 tandem mals, 3 on handicam video. 2 were on outside video, but one of those I lost and the other didn't show anything.
Lowerlighter 3 years ago
I have had two tandem cutaways, both with skyhooks. The one in the video sure looks fast like a skyhook, I guess the RSL is pretty damn fast too. Nice Job.
robblack31 3 years ago
That jump was worth the money! Even uh..more exhilarating :)
Underwaterdreaming 3 years ago
what happens if your reserve chute fails, goodbye life?
superspartan11 3 years ago 2
Reserve chutes are packed (in the U.S.) by an FAA Licensed Riggers. I won't say they will always deploy but I've never heard of a case where neither chute opened.
katyu16 3 years ago
I've heard of them not opening, but the most common problem is an entanglement with the reserve. I've also heard many stories of riggers repacking reserves that would never have worked because of molar straps left inside the pack job or a skyhook installed incorrectly. I've heard of Rapide links not closed on one tandem reserve that was used, the links were bent when they landed, they were bloody lucky. If you want a guarantee buy a toaster.
dorbie 3 years ago
^entanglement with the main^
dorbie 3 years ago
like katyu16 said we have a repack cycle every 90 days in the USA for our reserve chutes... chances of them NOT opening are slim. :)
skydiver211150 3 years ago
It was 120 days for modern parachutes (of synthetic materials) and has now been increased to 180 days.
dorbie 3 years ago
" We gotta go for another ride " cool, calm and collected . A skydive costs about 200 dollars in the US and about 200 euros in Europe.
Freefalluniversity 3 years ago
If that had been my first experience Im not sure I would be doing my AFF.
live1cryptic 3 years ago
how much does a skydive cost?
brotherlybrother11 3 years ago
Well, so far my first jump has cost me quite a lot. And it's been worth every cent.
Lowerlighter 3 years ago
u were lucky u did not throw the hANDLE cost $50-$60 each
sindude300 3 years ago 2
Over $100 each in Australia.
Lowerlighter 3 years ago
Ouch lol, they're 50$ or so each here.
chilledkirby 3 years ago
Wow!!!!
Good job....
great
graiki 3 years ago
good job man
ryantcool2 3 years ago
Had the same thing on a crossbraced Hop heading the wrong way out to sea some time ago. The Cross Braced version just like a small high performance canopy is less forgiving with line twists and all efforts to kick out failed. Yes it is harder to kick out of them tandem but usually not a problem at all. There are times like this video and my situation though when Murphys law was there!
-Dangles
MgpMontville 3 years ago
i know nothing about parachuting but the guy in charge seemed to stay pretty calm
fishinglizard1972 3 years ago
Usually I can kick out of twists. Not this one.
Lowerlighter 3 years ago
Are you the tandem instructor? I think the student handled the cut away very well as did the instructor, I'm starting my AFF course in a few weeks, can't wait.
UKmatt89 3 years ago
great
misebla 3 years ago
Really nice calm approach from the Tandem Instructor - would be glad to jump with him any day :-)
PCBlueSky 3 years ago
:))
good job... blue sky
razvy89 3 years ago
love the passengers reaction...TM "we're gonna go for another ride"...rider "yuuup"...then he has a smile on his face...good for you.... hope that rider got hooked did his aff and loves skydiving as much as the rest of us..
metaZen 3 years ago
In a low speed malfunction, with a fully inflated canopy, I made a reasonable effort to kick out of the line twists. When that did not work, right-left.
Lowerlighter 4 years ago
Why did it take so long to cut?
HC3 4 years ago
wow...two rides for the price of one.:D
robman47 4 years ago
twisted lines are considered partial malfunctions, also after untwising your lines you have the risk or broken lines, if at cutaway altitude with even 2 twists left it is safe to cutaway if your not experienced so u dont run into that problem. anyways. that skydive is worth 2 cases from the student, and 1 from the instructor
movetotheworld 4 years ago
i thought twisted lines were not malfunctions
hmfy 4 years ago
They are if you can't kick out of them.
monkeybuttX 4 years ago
how? you cant controll the chute.
skydiver211150 3 years ago
u cant control the chute during the twist but u can get rid of the twist by kicking in 5 sec
hmfy 3 years ago
maybe its harder to clear the twist when ur in tandem
hmfy 3 years ago 3
You can tell the other TM wanted to say something, but he just kept what he saw to himself. Nice job.
monkeybuttX 4 years ago
Nice try, good cut, safety.
alencar2007 4 years ago
very professional..nice cut and quick reserve pull..
wackjob7 4 years ago
Nice job TM!
eliasgerris 4 years ago
Two rides for the same money, yeaaa
tjeerdgibson 4 years ago 12
Love it. Makes chopping away from a PC look easy.
td12308 4 years ago
body position
jheadley635 4 years ago
haha obligatory
andrewgarcia86 4 years ago
"Hang on for another ride!" :D
csl2305 4 years ago 2