FYI: -unfortunately, while your animation and basic geared configuration is quite good (you get an 'A'); -your explanation about iron-shielding of the magflux is spacious (you get an 'F'). However, unlike most of the 'know it all' bull-shooters here, your presentation simply lacks the missing ingredient, --an effective magflux SHIELD, which would essentially 'block' propagation of flux as though a piece of opaque cardboard blocks the passage of light; --that is what has eluded inventors.!!!
I think this is the best idea so far for a magnetic motor, may work some day using the best diamagnetic materials (bismuth and carbon graphites or mu metal), the magnetic field must be blocked completely during the attraction cicle...
This is a Magnetic Gear, not a magnetic motor. The problem with magnetic gears is they tend to sheer from each other. You are correct in saying that adding the mechanical gear would solve this problem, but it would remove the friction-less quality of the gear. Increasing the Gauss helps and minimizing the distance between the magnets (think magnetic teeth) helps reduce sheer a little.
After years as a hobbiest I totally succeeded in a magnetic motor (free from any secondry source of power) - used water with iron filings to distort the magnetic field while retaining the positive force. But alas, I'm a petrol attendant - so like what was I gonna do - do myself out of a job. No way hoozaay. My ma didn't raise no idgit! Damn right!
the wheels are gonna start slowing down neat the point at which the magnets are supposed to be totally shielded from one another and by the time they get to the point they will stop and reach equilibrium... here again is a clear demonstration of lack of understanding for the laws of conservation of energy
Out of all the videos I've watched on youtube, this guy is the only person who seems to get a Magnet generator completed and working!, check this; watch?v=naE6_-lc1jk
@magneticveil there's a mathematical proof that you can't get free energy in classical physics. not a semantic argument: a bona fide mathematical proof. it's unfortunate, but it's insurmountable.
@gorgolyt Yes, but you specify classical physics. Consider modern physics, or QUANTUM physics, and it has been proven that if you split subatomic particles enough times, you find pure-infinite energy. That's why nuclear energy is so powerful, while the caldron particle collider is so closely regulated because scientists fear it could damage the entire planet if it fails. All energy is created from the ground up, and all energy comes from the subatomic conscious vibrations.
@gorgolyt Your comment indicates you do not understand what energy is. To properly understand energy, you have to understand space and time (all dimensions). Energy is a "creative force" that comes from behind the scenes. All observable energy is due to an imbalancement in subatomic particles, and derivatives of such imbalancements. The first dimension is either + or -. Energy is the tendency of either going towards + or -. This "energy" is coming from within quantum particles.
@gorgolyt "All energy is created from the ground up"...you are taking the word "ground" way too literally, lol. I should have said "bottom up"...meaning the pillars of the universe = an infinite sea of bits which can either be charged + or -. Kind of like pixles or bits, depending on how you look at it. They are called "photons", and "electrons" interect in the photonic field. A nuclei is a complex structure of particles which are charged with + while electrons are -. Photons are +.
@mattyelle1 Bro, are you mentally well? That was a pile of nonsense, you weren't even correct about basic physics that any school kid could know. Photons are not + and they are not nuclear particles.
@mattyelle1 Bro, are you mentally well? That was a pile of nonsense, you weren't even correct about basic physics that any school kid could know. Photons are not + and they are not nuclear particles.
@mattyelle1 actually, nuclear energy isnt that powerful. what a lot of people dont understand is nuclear reactors uses very highly refined, highly radioactive substances (not just uranium ore, enriched uranium) as a fuel. if we refine gasoline and enrich it enough we get, guess what, rocket fuel. also, the "caldron particle collider"? you mean LHC? youre a fucking idiot, quit talkin out your ass.
and "energy is created from the ground" wtf do you mean? i dug for oil, made gas, burnt it. faggot
@capetorial "faggot" "idiot" wtf is up with you. If making a typo in a youtube comment (haldron, not caldron)defines one's intellect to you, then that is just sad...and frankly your name calling indicates you are out of ammunition. I am not "talking out of my ass", I'm a mechanical engineer (5 year university program) and have studied physics specifically on my own since I was a kid. If you are so bright, then explain to me what energy is. Enlighten me Einstein. Time? Space? Dimensions?
I really fell in love with this design from the moment I first saw it several years ago. I have "heard" that it does work, but "they" say that the magnets lose their flux, or power. I tried making one, but the barrings I used caused the wheels to wobble too much so it never worked. Please, I implore you, try making one and let us know how it goes.
@oamath Did you ever try to do the physics needed to understand why the idea can never work? With the magnetic shield, it is a little harder. You have to do the general case version. It takes a little math.
If only, unfortunately equilibrium would stop all action BUT hey there's been a lot of innovations by people doing such experiments, so keep going in your spare time especially as it obviously interests you, don't let nay sayers deter you. Cheers & good luck
@Grasim101 ^^ What he said is correct. Magnets will always return to their lowest state, which is at rest. Which is why all these magnet motor projects fail. Because magnets contain no energy, only magnetic force, which is equal on both side, and pushes and pulls equally.
@msm9463 It doesn't make sense. Hopefully by now the maker of this video is applying their talents to something that could really work. It is like a lot of ideas, it sounds good if you say it fast but when you look carefully, it can't work. The average torque comes out to be exactly zero except for any loses in the system.
@bobbobmarley27 On magnets, they are called "North" and "South" poles. In concept, they are very like plus and minus of electrical poles. On magnets, the "North" is often painted red. The "North" pole is more properly the north seeking pole. This is because the red pole on the magnet will point north if you hang it from a thread so it is free to turn. Like with electric poles, the force between 2 magnetic poles is always along a line between the poles.
@bobbobmarley27 By "train magnetic system" do you mean the Maglev train. I will explain how it works if that is what you want to know about. It like most of this stuff is easy to grasp if you look with an open mind.
@bobbobmarley27 There are 2 important things going on in the MagLev train. The first is lifting the train clear of the track. This requires electromagnets and draws some power from the grid. It is just a case of like poles repelling. The strength the the fields is adjusted constantly to hold the train a stable position above the track. This is worth doing because at speed, the friction in wheels would cause more power loss.
@knowledgemonger (more from electric) motor. To move the train forward, the magnets along the track are switched so that those in front of the ones on the train attract the ones on the train. The ones on the track behind those on the train are switched to repel those on the train. This pushes the train forwards. As the train moves forwards, the magnets on the track are switched so that new ones in front of the train's poles attract and any that the train passes are switched to repel.
@knowledgemonger What are you talking about? MagLev trains use the flux-trapping properties of the Meissner effect, which causes local inhomogenisation in a superconductive medium.
@Ozzah You can only do the Meissner effect with super conductors. Not all MagLev designs use super conductors. Remember that the MagLev development was started before high temperature super conductors. Even with the high temperature super conductor, the cooling cost is quite high. Ordinary copper wire coils and high mu materials work.
@knowledgemonger Big f**kin difference.... North & south, plus & minus, male & female, Yogi & boo boo, Fred & barney, Hell, you can call them Coke and Pepsi for all I care. cause pepsi cans are blue and coke cans are red. The guy had a simple question, I understood what he meant, and he understood what I meant and I was able to answer it without my head up my ass. You should try it sometime.
I had full believe this would work, and tested in out of hope
Parts:
-Chairwheels
-26 strong magnets
-2 homemade gears-like system
-2 Mu-metal plates(magnetic shielding)
Now it appears when using Mu-metal, the magnet will be ' pulled' by the mu-metal. This 'pull' -force is stronger then the push force in the upper section.
I might make a video of this, so you guys can see for you're self ;-)
@jasperdj Magnets repel for about an inch at the very most with really good magnets. if you have really big wheels, then the magnets have to travel upward much farther to reach the exact same repeling distance then the smaller wheels do. You have to have enough upwasd disstance for the next set of magnets to come into play. If the wheels are to small, the upward distance will be small, and maybe not enough travel can be reached for the next set to come into play. Make sense now?
well, this is not how it works. When the magnets are above the shielding, they will repulse eachother to the place where there's the least amount of magnetic force from the other magnet., that will be behind the shielding.
@jasperdj please don't go away mad. I made a comment on how this thing could work. now I have ONE idiot that wont go away. If you have a comment, please lets hear it.
Thank you for the very clear explanation. There are many postings that need an explanation. The concept makes sense. Would larger magnets result in large enough systems to be able to generate electricity?
@danielngar I think the size of the wheel makes a difference. since 2 opposing magnets will only repel for maybe an inch at the most, basicly the larger the wheel, the longer the magnets have to travel upward to get to the point maximum repeling distance. There are a few failiers on youtube. They all have small wheels. there is one vid that has a reaction. We must also consider the possiblity that it has been faked.
This is a great concept to include in my magnet drive generator development. Thank you very much, I was going to implement a mechanical cam that would also be driven by the magnetic field intertializing ( hows that for a word) the rotational force, therefore rob some of the energy. But, now what I am going to do with this concept is shield the impact of the repelling magnetic field to just past TDC, not unlike a spark in an internal combustion engine. BTW, critics and cynics, prove to disprove:)
@Rpkmalibu You are wrong. Magnets never were the power and never will be. It is just basic physics. It is like saying "coil springs are the power of the future". If you care about our energy future as it appears that you do, I suggest you go study up on your physics and perhaps some chemistry dust off your mental tool kit and join the effort to find ways to get us off oil.
@knowledgemonger : physics is the same as logic in that logic is not always right, that using logic to solve all your problems you will only complicate them. Humans know our barriers yet we try to break them and once and a while we succeed. Magnets are the power of the future no matter if physics agrees with that or not. Now if you have any more comments about physics or how magnetic motors are impossible then you can keep them to yourself and go crush someone else's dream
@Rpkmalibu The machine proposed in this video won't work and can't work as anyone who cares to think about it for a while can prove to themselves. You seem to be of the "wishing can make it come true" mind set. It only works in fairy tales. In the real world, physics sets limits on what can happen and logic does work. If you see someone going up a blind alley when you know that they are looking for the library would you point out the error?
Electro Magnetic Gravity Wheel: A gravity wheel that instead of weights has magnets. and as those magnets fall in thier channels, they pass through coils, thus creating power. the power can be stored in a capacitor and turn a small motor that keeps the wheel going. Hmmmm...
Not saying it WILL work, BUT more likely than a regular Gwheel. At least the idea keeps the brain juices flowing. any thoughts people? (when I say people I mean anyone but Kmonger!)
@wcemichael - anything in a gravity wheel that converts movement of masses (such as magnets through coils) will absorb energy and only a small amount will be recoverable from batteries or capacitors - the stored energy will be further reduced via the recovery motors used to power the whole device. You have to understand anything you do within a closed system adds nothing to the total energy. A gravity wheel will never spin on it's own no matter what you do. You may not like it but that's it.
@ZoeMarks If Kmonger could just say his opinion once and then shut up, my thinking process would work better. The more he talks the more I'm going to resist his attitude. His comments have no influence on anybody yet he keeps talking. So, under the same princibale, why does he keep talking when it doesn't work? I have built things that work that others mock. Currently I have HHO devices that work, yet I have people telling me they don't work.
@wcemichael I doubt that whether I state the point once or several times will have any effect on your thinking. You directed me to a video that shows something that is most certainly not a magnet motor as proof that magnet motors do exist. You are making further false claims in this latest statement by you. I have pointed out these false claims before.
@knowledgemonger And there it starts, the twisting of words as fact. It wasn't proof it was an "ah-ha! lets look into this a bit further".. I know it could be a fake, Mr. smart ass. And as a mater of fact, I did find anouther vid, but I aint telling you shit! You seem to be have nothing better to do but sit on top fo this vid, even though it not yours. Don't you have a life?
@wcemichael I pointed out that there is no such things as a "magnet motor" or a "gravity motor" and that there never can be because of the laws of physics. You have made several false claims that I have pointed out are nonsense. It appears that others have also told you that your ideas are bogus. I suggest you go learn some physics and stop suggesting silly ideas.
@knowledgemonger You want verbal fist fight? You want to compaire my intelect to yours. I'm willing to throw down right now! Scientist have often tried the imposible, and from the futile attempts have made new discoveries. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.
@wcemichael The question is whether "magnet motors" or "gravity motors" can work. The answer is no. You have suggested things are true that are easily shown to be false. You have suggested a "with 5x the power and getting more bang for your buck" about adding water to the intake of a motor. This is just outright nonsense.
@knowledgemonger Wrong again. I have suggested the remote possibility of success if one is willing to try hard enough. Zoe's water injector was just a theory as to how it could be working. The 5x part was refuring to HYDROGEN compaired to gasoline. If you'll note they don't use gasoline on the space shuttle. Why? not enough umph! And you ignored my previous statement, so lets rewind and reveiw it agian...
@wcemichael Go back and read your own comment. You are clearly referring to what is being put into an engine. However we can leave that aside and compare the 2 numbers.
Hydrogen 61,100 BTUs per pound
Gasoline 20,900 BTUs per pound
The ratio is about 3 and not 5. You make vague arm wave statements with inaccurate numbers and have not really looked at the question of the magnet motor and yet you hold forth on these subjects.
@knowledgemonger 500 characters to fit everything I need to say. What you THINK I'm referring to with limited space is amazing. DUH! yes I am refurring to intake, under 2 different processes! Ok so the exact nuber is off (something I read & something you read say 2 different things, like that could never happen in reall life). The world will sleep beter knowing you took the time to stroke your ego. BUT STILL the power of H>Gas.
YOUR STILL IGNORING THE STATMENT I MADE 2-3 POST AGO!!!!!!
@wcemichael You agree that even the kindest version of your statement that the number was 5 is in fact wrong, I see. In terms of energy per unit volume of fuel tank or energy per dollar, H2 doesn't fair as well. Also when you burn the H2 in an engine, you tend to make oxides of nitrogen unless you run with a slight excess of fuel. This is the same thing that is done with gasoline engines. You can also reduce the NOX by lowering the compression but that reduces efficiency.
@knowledgemonger And yet agiain for the 3rd time you choose to ignore the other statement because it would give the slightest validation to anything I or anybody else choose to do. So, I'll say it again for those just tuning in. Scientist have often tried the imposible, and from the futile attempts have made new discoveries.
@wcemichael Among these new discoveries, are there any "magnet motors"? NO The idea of the magnet motor is just as daft as the idea of putting big wheels on the back of a car so it is always rolling down hill. The serendipitous discovery makes a good story but is rarely how it really happened. It also does not happen when people spend there time doing the truly foolish. Nobody is going to make a great science breakthrough by putting big wheels on the back of their car.
@knowledgemonger 3 years ago I invented a new wood stove. I also have a concept for a new diabeties monitor. Last week I discovered a new infinite number thoerom AND the proper definition for the word "faith" IN MY SLEEP! After 3 conscious attempts to ignore my statement I finally pin you down on it, & the big wheel theory all you have to support your reasoning?! Well I guess you showed me.
The thought that a monkey could accidently type shakespere is considered valid but will never be proven.
@wcemichael You may have invented a new wood stove. You may well invent a blood sugar monitor. You aren't going to make a car always roll down hill by putting bigger wheels on the back and you aren't going to make a magnet motor.
@knowledgemonger WHO IS PUTTING BIG TIRES ON A CAR AND THINKING THAT THEY ARE ROLLING DOWN HILL? NO ONE YOU STUPID ASS! THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST ABSOLUTE WORST COMPAIRISON. IN THE HISTORY OF COMPAIRSONS. but I guess it is all you have left. BTW I had an article printed the local news this week. I'm also a Vise Pres of my organization. (my horn. toot toot) What do you do beside annoy people? If I wanna persue things that don't work it's my time and money to waist. isent it?
@Nonterastor "The human mind is much like a book, both have to be open to be of any use" -wcemichael
"The need for being correct can overshadow the need for keeping friends or relationships" -wcemichael & Nonterastor 10-14-11. There, see? A new discovery has just been made(it's only fair to give you credit too, since the timing of your comment played a key role in the thought)
"Kmonger is probably a friendless virgin living in his mothers basement" I'm kidding I'm sure he pays his mother rent
@Nonterastor You should be addressing that comment to me. @wcemichael's mind and perhaps your mind also are closed to the very easily demonstrated fact that no combination of motions of magnetic poles can ever produce energy. If you don't believe me, I invite you to go look up the equation for force on a magnetic pole and the ones for energy and work and do just a little math and see what you observe. The math is not even all that hard. Give it a go.
THe most important thing with science is,that it should have no ego,it is never "true".
There is always something new to discover and flaws to erase.
As an example:I am sure you have heard about Nikola Tesla and the free energy,which states,that our air has enough power(around 240K). You just have to be able to tap into that energy(like Nokola Tesla did).
@Nonterastor Did you go and really take a look at the math. It turns out that the reason I liken it to the big tires on the back is that once you see the equations and understand what they mean, the magnet motor suggestion becomes just like the big wheels one. The math just shows you how to look at the question. You already understand the tires thing well enough to straight away see that it can never work. Look at the force on a magnetic pole and energy and see how it is the same idea.
@Nonterastor The geothermal works. Cold fusion is very unlikely. Solar and wind work. Hydroelectric works. Ocean thermal gradient works. I think you will agree that the big wheels on the back thing won't. When you've done your own research, you will see the point about the magnet motors.
The biggest problem we have with things like wind and solar is the storage of energy. If you can crack that one, you will solve a huge problem. It is what is really holding us back.
@Nonterastor The very point I've been trying to stress. Laws are only written to the best of our understanding. They are more like guidelines. Satalites must fall to the earth because of gravity, but because they have enough forward momentum they are falling, but are in a constant state of "missing the target" as explained in the hitchickers guide to the galaxy. Most people don't see the obivious because of the law of SEP fields being generated. Breaking down these fields is the first step.
@Nonterastor Right! Even today, anytime ONE scientist has a new understanding of something, he has 20 other scientist dragging out a book of scientific "laws" and explaining how it's like putting bigger tires on the back end of a car. According to basic physics, atoms can not work. They have positive charged protons & negative charged electrons constantly spinning around them, yet nothing is keeping them charged or the electrons spinning. So we make a new understanding of why it happens anyway
@wcemichael No scientist or anyone else is ever going to make a car with big wheels on the back ever work. Can we at least agree on that. It seems to be too much to ask that you go look at the equations for the force on a magnetic pole and see what it really is telling you. It really makes me wonder why you even would agree that the big wheels thing won't work. What you are suggesting is that nonsense things like the big wheels idea can happen with magnetic fields because we can't see them.
@knowledgemonger You talking to people about anything and thinking we care is like putting big wheels on the back of a car thinking that the car will coast down hill. It won't work, yet although we tell you this time and time again, you keep feeling the need to keep trying. Your efforts are futile like putting big wheels on the back of a car and thinking it will coast down hill. Nobody was talking to you or cares to talk to you. I'll give up when I AM satified that I HAVE exausted every approach
@wcemichael I am merely pointing out to you and others the facts. It is just something I happen to do. It is more likely to work than any magnet motor because the odds although very small are not zero.
@knowledgemonger You are pointing out 1 set of facts, that you've never bothered to test yourself. Just like those idiots that keep pointing out to me that my HHO bottle doesn't work, because of the same set of facts, even though my motorcycle gets increased MPG. A group of college kids built a divice, and only turned in a report on how the device works. The COLLEGE PROFESSOR failed the paper stating facts on how it can't work. The students showed him the device & he quit teaching.
@knowledgemonger Now, at my own work place, last week, there is a machine that can punch 6 slots into heavy gauge steel, using only tonage. The machine comes to a grinding hault when trying 12 slots. The HIGH paid matenace people say there is nothing that can be done. The lower paid set up guy, keeps bickering on how to do it, he is told it won't work. He ignores them & set up the machine his way. I ran this machine last week. It works fine & I understand why it works, while others sit on facts
@wcemichael When someone supports crooks it is also just something they do. I will continue to point out the facts and you will continue to support con artists,
@knowledgemonger What ever.. I will continue to be a free thinker while you continue to be a bible thumper. That's right. Your no different that a christian telling people they have to obey a book of laws writen by men who used their best understanding of the subject. So blow it out your ass.
@wcemichael I have suggested that you look for your self at the equations. Consider what it means and think for your self. Do just a little math or know a little physics and you will agree that these things can't work. Your claim of freedom is a false claim. You are a slave to your ignorance
@knowledgemonger ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz You haven't done half the things I've done. Come on, step up to the plate and show me stuff YOU"VE done.... Put up or shut up!
@wcemichael - I don't believe many people understand what is meant when they say a HHO device "works". I don't think they work the way people describe them as as many folks argue the car is running on water when it isn't by any stretch of the imagination. The gases generated from the electrolysis of water no doubt improve the combustion process but any simple analysis of the energy balance shows the gain is in the region of 20 to 30%, not the 100% that some folks claim. My $0.02 worth.
@ZoeMarks Finally, and opinion other than "i'm right, your wrong". I love you.
I did net a gain in the range you suggest, but am still told it doesn't work. because of the energy it takes to run the device with a parallel power hook up. I figured out how to run mulitble units with an in series power hook up. using the same power that is used to run other devices, again to be told that I am full of shit, by know it alls, like people who's names start with K and end with MONGER
@ZoeMarks While you are right that the vehicle isen't "running on water" It's a good way to get people's attention, and since your filling up the vechile with water and not hydrogen, to the person your trying to get to understand the process. saying it is a good place to start till they understand better.
@ZoeMarks The 20 or 30% improvement only happens when you have an inefficient engine to start with. When you start with a more efficient engine, the percentage reduces. It works out that it is always more efficient to improve the basic engine than to run a mixture of H2, O2 and water vapor in. Making the gas takes too much energy so with an efficient engine, it becomes a net loss to do it.
@knowledgemonger - years ago I installed a water injection kit on a car that squirted a very fine mist of water into the carbie & it was claimed to improve the efficiency as the water mist apparently turned to steam in the combustion chamber & effectively increased the compression ratio. It seemed to work & my fuel economy improved ( I can't recall how much). I think these HHO devices are really doing the same thing as the combustion of it produces steam. Overall efficiency though...who knows?
@ZoeMarks It is well known that detonation and pinging is reduced by increasing the humidity. This allows a slight improvement in efficiency. Adding some H2 and O2 causes more complete burning of the fuel. It causes a larger improvement in efficiency. Better burning means that it is only the incomplete burning that allows any improvement.
@ZoeMarks Well, just what i think is happening with your injection unit is, I don't think that the process is burning the water. The water may be converted to steam therefor converting the liquid to gas would add to the expantion PSI in the chamber. Gas is a poor, dirty burning fuel, that why thay need converter on the exaust pipe. propaine vehicles don't need one. so your taking soming poor and adding somthing with 5x the power and getting more bang for your buck.
it very prominently appears that knowledgemonger is a paid dupe to thwart this technology. I claimed such in a letter and he did not deign said fact. Why does he go to such great lengths to try to stop the forwarding of this marvelous technology.
@montereng1 If you saw someone going into a blind alley when you knew that they were looking for the library, would you tell them so? I suspect that you would. If you saw someone walkign towards a cliff, flapping their arms up and down saying I can fly would you suggest that perhaps they can't? I really hope that you would. If you saw someone who had obvious mechanical skill attempting to make a machine that you could see would never work, would you point out the problem?
@knowledgemonger If someone was walking into a blind alley and I told them and they kept walking anyway, I wouldn't have to repeat myself because they would figure it out on thier own eventualy. Whether this idea works or not isen't for YOU to decide if I should continue to think otherwise. Hey, here's a thought. God may or may not exist. Say you don't belive, but the stupid mormons keep knocking on your door telling you otherwise, your like the mormons. Go away.
@wcemichael If someone was directing people up a blind alley would you correct them at each time they try to misdirect someone?
It is not up to me to decide if an idea works. It is also not up to you. Ideas work or they don't. "Magnet motors" don't. As I have explained before, if you go look at the equations for force on a magnetic pole, energy and work, you will see why they don't work. This is not just someones opinion. This is the physics of the universe we live in.
@wcemichael Ok, I looked at it. If that thing instead of having a lot of magnets was just a ramp that they lifted an object up onto and then let is go, it would be more obvious what is happening but the idea is exactly the same. The person forcing the object into the start of the track is putting in all the energy needed to send it out the end. The magnets are repelling. each other just like they used a spring or something obvious like that. It is not a magnet motor.
@knowledgemonger there is nothing in those kids video but magnets and wood. supporting the theory that all you need are magnets in the right configuration to get physical energy.
@wcemichael There you go sending people up a blind alley again. There is no such thing as a magnet motor. There are some fakes out there and many cases of people fooling themselves into thinking they have it almost working but there are none that actually work and there never can be. Anyone with knowledge of physics will tell you this.
Lol, man. xD You're using the power generated by magnets coming together on repelling magnets, so that all that you've generated gets used up. And some additional energy that doesn't get generated goes to friction, that's why it wouldn't ever spin withought you spinning it.
@IBMua You are right that if this was converting the energy in the magnets into mechanical form he would need new magnets when it is all used up. This is good logic. You however miss two important points. One of them is that the amount of energy in the magnetic field of even the strongest magnet's field is trivial. The other is that since the magnetic poles all end up back where they started, the machine doesn't do the conversion either.
@knowledgemonger I think you have some authorization problem, my friend. Why need to come here and say rubbish in other peoples videos? Please respect others. Video doesn't have to be correct in all physics law. It is just a fucking video. If you are so smart why don't you create something yourself and show us or why don't you work in a lab or a RnD research? Do you not have friends to play with? Noone pays attention on your opinions so you have to shout here and make yourself hearable?
@DragonToko I have as mush right to express my opinion here as you do, perhaps more. As I have pointed out before in these comments, the maker of this video, has by now moved on to other more useful things with his obvious skills to some other project. I can turn the question of why you come here and post rubbish back on you. I can also point out that obviously you paid attention to what I said.
I do do R and D for a living. Inventing stuff is how I make a living.
@knowledgemonger Mister, maybe you are most smart man here and perhaps you are. But it doesn't mean you can just walk around and point everyone's mistakes out. It became so popular in nowdays to make those smart "competitions" in comments. Show off with own smartness, prove that someone is wrong, make arguments with use of high technological terms. What is it? Lack of attention and approval? That boy is using his brain to make something, let him play, it doesn't have to be All Correct thing.
@DragonToko Monger, I can't see any video of yours. Why not? Nothing to show? Show us how smart you are We will applause to you. Come on. Teach us, Teacher! We all need your education. Save the World! Please!
@knowledgemonger No comment on what I stated earlier? figures, when confronted with something you can't explain your silent, then you wait for another to speak up to find your opening back into your same argument without commenting on my other comments. You all do the same thing.
I've already seen one guy on youtube with this concept WORKING, except no gearing. the magnets were spinning in the manner that his video suggest.
@wcemichael I commented on what you claimed. Someone made a comment about me so I commented on his comment. I knew that you were going to read his comment so you would be back.
You have most likely seen a faked video or one of the many where the energy input is from the persons hand. I suggested that you go study a little physics for a good reason. You knew a little on the subject, you would understand the explanation of why this sort of thing can never work.
I think this is design is possible, The theory works on paper, but we all know paper and applied mechanics do not always have the same answer, so I needs to be built. if it works it can be stacked. People tried to fly with the most stupidest things then the wright bos. finally did it with only a few seconds of air time. If they were on youtube today we'd be calling them stupid for trying and then say Oh geez you only had it in the air for few seconds.
@wcemichael You think that this works because you simply don't understand physics. No combination of motions of magnetic pole can ever create energy. Go look up the equation for the force on a magnetic pole. Then look up the equations for energy and work. Then do just a little math involving the dY/dX of the energy thing and compare it to the force thing and then look at the work thing. If you bother to do the study, you will see.
@knowledgemonger What are you, a stalker? do you check these free energy vids everday for new commets to shoot down? Get your own channel and make what ever vid you want. I get sick and tired you yahoos. As soon as I explain everything I can to one person I have a new one and have to start all over agian. We have the right to try anything we want EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK! Saying it won't work doesn't mean it won't.
@wcemichael I decided to come back here because I have found that youtubes doesn't always tell me when someone has replied to my comments. I have suggested that you go look at the math for the physics so that you can see why this idea can never work. I come back and I see that you have again suggested out of ignorance that it could work. It can't go learn a little and stop making a fool of your self in public.
@knowledgemonger. People have pics of bigfoot but sure you don't believe it, me niether. New invention start with ideas & theories & expand on them, not to be defeated by the first person that comes along & says "that'll never work". Getting people to give you tons of money for something that might give you a little something back is a scam. Trying out new possiblities on your own is the very basis of how things like the light bulb, & the Wright bros flyer were created. go away and let us dream
@wcemichael There is nothing in the laws of physics that rules out a large hairy ape that has yet to be discovered. I find the bigfoot pictures hard to believe but I can't rule it out. On the other hand, if you go look at the math just a little, you will see that this idea can never work. It is not just hard to believe. It is just flat a mistake to believe it. Do you try to fly by flapping your arms up and down? Have your tried it while wearing a red hat? How about green?
@knowledgemonger Red hat green hat? now you just being silly. People have tried the craziest things to fly, then somebody got it, no math, no computer models. Just good old trial and error. If I had the money and space I would build it the way I think it needs to be built. I also think a gravity wheel MIGHT
mmm... good idea
assfau1t 5 hours ago
Besides a file what could I use for a magnet shield?
WeberMan95 3 days ago
it only works in video. :)
baloneyjazz 1 week ago
FYI: -unfortunately, while your animation and basic geared configuration is quite good (you get an 'A'); -your explanation about iron-shielding of the magflux is spacious (you get an 'F'). However, unlike most of the 'know it all' bull-shooters here, your presentation simply lacks the missing ingredient, --an effective magflux SHIELD, which would essentially 'block' propagation of flux as though a piece of opaque cardboard blocks the passage of light; --that is what has eluded inventors.!!!
AryanKnight 1 week ago
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
omer8836 1 week ago
Well lets work and see of it runs.......
FreeTesla 1 week ago
This is some great info ,thanks for the share
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eddykoch1129 2 weeks ago
the magnetic barrier needs to be up higher then this will work
natdrip 2 weeks ago
The Insane Clown Posse should be satisfied
RedZone231 3 weeks ago
Good video! Thank you!
daveeyes 3 weeks ago 3
instead of a rod consider using a disk turned 90 degrees from the gears
FineHawaiianArt 3 weeks ago
I think this is the best idea so far for a magnetic motor, may work some day using the best diamagnetic materials (bismuth and carbon graphites or mu metal), the magnetic field must be blocked completely during the attraction cicle...
vgrajeda 4 weeks ago
Check out this Non magnetic deflector
United States Patent Application 20060083931 ( A1 )
Deflecting Magnetic Field Shield
April 20, 2006
Gordon WARDLE & William MAY
bargainsbob 1 month ago
Interesting..
carot2003 1 month ago
This is a Magnetic Gear, not a magnetic motor. The problem with magnetic gears is they tend to sheer from each other. You are correct in saying that adding the mechanical gear would solve this problem, but it would remove the friction-less quality of the gear. Increasing the Gauss helps and minimizing the distance between the magnets (think magnetic teeth) helps reduce sheer a little.
tye45io 1 month ago
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bargainsbob 1 month ago
great job man keep it up great job
cris23dumi 1 month ago
Your only enemy is friction
Ctube29 1 month ago
After years as a hobbiest I totally succeeded in a magnetic motor (free from any secondry source of power) - used water with iron filings to distort the magnetic field while retaining the positive force. But alas, I'm a petrol attendant - so like what was I gonna do - do myself out of a job. No way hoozaay. My ma didn't raise no idgit! Damn right!
weirdcitykid 1 month ago
This video went viral on United Kingdom
rebeccaruiz70 1 month ago
Build one whit 2 flywheels from a car engine
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pat1234591 1 month ago
keep it up i have faith in you
homer19791 1 month ago
the wheels are gonna start slowing down neat the point at which the magnets are supposed to be totally shielded from one another and by the time they get to the point they will stop and reach equilibrium... here again is a clear demonstration of lack of understanding for the laws of conservation of energy
priyochatterjee1 1 month ago
This is not going to work. Speed is not going to push the magnets.
duruturk52 1 month ago
Out of all the videos I've watched on youtube, this guy is the only person who seems to get a Magnet generator completed and working!, check this; watch?v=naE6_-lc1jk
britishtuna 1 month ago
Incredible. This info is amazing. Thank you so very much. I also think that free magnet energy is possible.
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zortmx44 2 months ago
i tried this in 8th grade and failed miserably
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energyxx11 2 months ago
The first half of the repulsive force leading up the magnet face to face has been totally ignored. Flawed design.
dennisbbb 2 months ago
@magneticveil there's a mathematical proof that you can't get free energy in classical physics. not a semantic argument: a bona fide mathematical proof. it's unfortunate, but it's insurmountable.
gorgolyt 2 months ago
@gorgolyt Yes, but you specify classical physics. Consider modern physics, or QUANTUM physics, and it has been proven that if you split subatomic particles enough times, you find pure-infinite energy. That's why nuclear energy is so powerful, while the caldron particle collider is so closely regulated because scientists fear it could damage the entire planet if it fails. All energy is created from the ground up, and all energy comes from the subatomic conscious vibrations.
mattyelle1 2 months ago
@mattyelle1 there is no quantum phenomenon which creates energy.
gorgolyt 2 months ago
@gorgolyt Your comment indicates you do not understand what energy is. To properly understand energy, you have to understand space and time (all dimensions). Energy is a "creative force" that comes from behind the scenes. All observable energy is due to an imbalancement in subatomic particles, and derivatives of such imbalancements. The first dimension is either + or -. Energy is the tendency of either going towards + or -. This "energy" is coming from within quantum particles.
mattyelle1 2 months ago
@gorgolyt "All energy is created from the ground up"...you are taking the word "ground" way too literally, lol. I should have said "bottom up"...meaning the pillars of the universe = an infinite sea of bits which can either be charged + or -. Kind of like pixles or bits, depending on how you look at it. They are called "photons", and "electrons" interect in the photonic field. A nuclei is a complex structure of particles which are charged with + while electrons are -. Photons are +.
mattyelle1 2 months ago
@mattyelle1 Bro, are you mentally well? That was a pile of nonsense, you weren't even correct about basic physics that any school kid could know. Photons are not + and they are not nuclear particles.
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@mattyelle1 Bro, are you mentally well? That was a pile of nonsense, you weren't even correct about basic physics that any school kid could know. Photons are not + and they are not nuclear particles.
gorgolyt 2 months ago
@mattyelle1 actually, nuclear energy isnt that powerful. what a lot of people dont understand is nuclear reactors uses very highly refined, highly radioactive substances (not just uranium ore, enriched uranium) as a fuel. if we refine gasoline and enrich it enough we get, guess what, rocket fuel. also, the "caldron particle collider"? you mean LHC? youre a fucking idiot, quit talkin out your ass.
and "energy is created from the ground" wtf do you mean? i dug for oil, made gas, burnt it. faggot
capetorial 2 months ago
@capetorial "faggot" "idiot" wtf is up with you. If making a typo in a youtube comment (haldron, not caldron)defines one's intellect to you, then that is just sad...and frankly your name calling indicates you are out of ammunition. I am not "talking out of my ass", I'm a mechanical engineer (5 year university program) and have studied physics specifically on my own since I was a kid. If you are so bright, then explain to me what energy is. Enlighten me Einstein. Time? Space? Dimensions?
mattyelle1 2 months ago
@mattyelle1 energy is work done or the potential to do so
capetorial 2 months ago
@mattyelle1 "you find pure-infinite energy" <-- wrong
Try imagining mass as a form of energy because that's all it really is. Sure it had a MASSIVE amount of it, but it's not infinite.
plukerpluck 2 months ago
It doesn't work... if it did you would have an actual working model in the video rather then an animation.
MrAwsome514 2 months ago
I really fell in love with this design from the moment I first saw it several years ago. I have "heard" that it does work, but "they" say that the magnets lose their flux, or power. I tried making one, but the barrings I used caused the wheels to wobble too much so it never worked. Please, I implore you, try making one and let us know how it goes.
oamath 2 months ago
@oamath Did you ever try to do the physics needed to understand why the idea can never work? With the magnetic shield, it is a little harder. You have to do the general case version. It takes a little math.
knowledgemonger 2 months ago
just wondering......how the hell did i end up here again?
FoZSamurai 2 months ago
1:20 you have attraction and repulsion at the same.... oh also you butt fucked lots and lots of physicists xD
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eithanyakobi 2 months ago
If only, unfortunately equilibrium would stop all action BUT hey there's been a lot of innovations by people doing such experiments, so keep going in your spare time especially as it obviously interests you, don't let nay sayers deter you. Cheers & good luck
Grasim101 3 months ago 10
@Grasim101 ^^ What he said is correct. Magnets will always return to their lowest state, which is at rest. Which is why all these magnet motor projects fail. Because magnets contain no energy, only magnetic force, which is equal on both side, and pushes and pulls equally.
chiefkyle1 2 months ago
I think it makes sense... Any more work on this project?
msm9463 3 months ago
@msm9463 It doesn't make sense. Hopefully by now the maker of this video is applying their talents to something that could really work. It is like a lot of ideas, it sounds good if you say it fast but when you look carefully, it can't work. The average torque comes out to be exactly zero except for any loses in the system.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
the guy give u homework every one.study hard.ha ha ha ha..
nevergiveup434 3 months ago
please explain it to me whats that red and blue?is it the negative and positive pole?
bobbobmarley27 3 months ago
@bobbobmarley27 yes
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael tnx bro
bobbobmarley27 3 months ago
@bobbobmarley27 On magnets, they are called "North" and "South" poles. In concept, they are very like plus and minus of electrical poles. On magnets, the "North" is often painted red. The "North" pole is more properly the north seeking pole. This is because the red pole on the magnet will point north if you hang it from a thread so it is free to turn. Like with electric poles, the force between 2 magnetic poles is always along a line between the poles.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger oh yeah its north and south ...bro do u know the concept of train magnetic system?i hope u will share ur some idea...
bobbobmarley27 3 months ago
@bobbobmarley27 By "train magnetic system" do you mean the Maglev train. I will explain how it works if that is what you want to know about. It like most of this stuff is easy to grasp if you look with an open mind.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger tnx bro..pls update me if u are going to share it.thnx a lot
bobbobmarley27 3 months ago
@bobbobmarley27 There are 2 important things going on in the MagLev train. The first is lifting the train clear of the track. This requires electromagnets and draws some power from the grid. It is just a case of like poles repelling. The strength the the fields is adjusted constantly to hold the train a stable position above the track. This is worth doing because at speed, the friction in wheels would cause more power loss.
The second part is linear electric (see more)
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger (more from electric) motor. To move the train forward, the magnets along the track are switched so that those in front of the ones on the train attract the ones on the train. The ones on the track behind those on the train are switched to repel those on the train. This pushes the train forwards. As the train moves forwards, the magnets on the track are switched so that new ones in front of the train's poles attract and any that the train passes are switched to repel.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger wow well said..i hope u will make a video for educational purposes and that would help a lot ...
bobbobmarley27 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger What are you talking about? MagLev trains use the flux-trapping properties of the Meissner effect, which causes local inhomogenisation in a superconductive medium.
Ozzah 3 months ago
@Ozzah You can only do the Meissner effect with super conductors. Not all MagLev designs use super conductors. Remember that the MagLev development was started before high temperature super conductors. Even with the high temperature super conductor, the cooling cost is quite high. Ordinary copper wire coils and high mu materials work.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger Big f**kin difference.... North & south, plus & minus, male & female, Yogi & boo boo, Fred & barney, Hell, you can call them Coke and Pepsi for all I care. cause pepsi cans are blue and coke cans are red. The guy had a simple question, I understood what he meant, and he understood what I meant and I was able to answer it without my head up my ass. You should try it sometime.
wcemichael 3 months ago
I had full believe this would work, and tested in out of hope
Parts:
-Chairwheels
-26 strong magnets
-2 homemade gears-like system
-2 Mu-metal plates(magnetic shielding)
Now it appears when using Mu-metal, the magnet will be ' pulled' by the mu-metal. This 'pull' -force is stronger then the push force in the upper section.
I might make a video of this, so you guys can see for you're self ;-)
jasperdj 3 months ago
@jasperdj Everybody tries this with small wheels. I would try it with bigger wheels. like bicycle wheels
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael that doesn't make sense ?
jasperdj 3 months ago
@jasperdj Magnets repel for about an inch at the very most with really good magnets. if you have really big wheels, then the magnets have to travel upward much farther to reach the exact same repeling distance then the smaller wheels do. You have to have enough upwasd disstance for the next set of magnets to come into play. If the wheels are to small, the upward distance will be small, and maybe not enough travel can be reached for the next set to come into play. Make sense now?
wcemichael 3 months ago
well, this is not how it works. When the magnets are above the shielding, they will repulse eachother to the place where there's the least amount of magnetic force from the other magnet., that will be behind the shielding.
chsxtian 3 months ago
@chsxtian not quite
wcemichael 3 months ago
it appears the Comment-section is dedicated to Trolls and Haters, I'm losing hope in society...
jasperdj 3 months ago
@jasperdj please don't go away mad. I made a comment on how this thing could work. now I have ONE idiot that wont go away. If you have a comment, please lets hear it.
wcemichael 3 months ago
Great Job
GEGP744 3 months ago
Thank you for the very clear explanation. There are many postings that need an explanation. The concept makes sense. Would larger magnets result in large enough systems to be able to generate electricity?
danielngar 3 months ago
@danielngar I think the size of the wheel makes a difference. since 2 opposing magnets will only repel for maybe an inch at the most, basicly the larger the wheel, the longer the magnets have to travel upward to get to the point maximum repeling distance. There are a few failiers on youtube. They all have small wheels. there is one vid that has a reaction. We must also consider the possiblity that it has been faked.
wcemichael 3 months ago
Scientist have often tried the imposible, and from the futile attempts have made new discoveries
wcemichael 3 months ago
O_o
Pause at 2:43
Two Middle Magnets are Fine!
Look at the 2 magnets just the above the Middle ones and the 2 just below!
Both Couples Tries To Attract...
The Top ones tries to rotate the left wheel clockwise and right wheel anticlockwise...
and Below ones visa versa
SO THE WHEELS DONT ROTATE!
According To Newtons First Law! :D
Good Attempt Though!
shenalkm 3 months ago
O_o
Pause at 2.43
Two Middle Magnets are Fine!
Look at the 2 magnets just the above the Middle ones and the 2 just below!
Both Couples Tries To Attract...
The Top ones tries to rotate the left wheel clockwise and right wheel anticlockwise...
and Below ones visa versa
SO THE WHEELS DONT ROTATE!
According To Newtons First Law! :D
Good Attempt Though!
shenalkm 3 months ago
This is a great concept to include in my magnet drive generator development. Thank you very much, I was going to implement a mechanical cam that would also be driven by the magnetic field intertializing ( hows that for a word) the rotational force, therefore rob some of the energy. But, now what I am going to do with this concept is shield the impact of the repelling magnetic field to just past TDC, not unlike a spark in an internal combustion engine. BTW, critics and cynics, prove to disprove:)
RedneckArmory 3 months ago
I see your point but I wasn't saying that this magnetic motor will work all I have to say is that magnets are the power of the future
Rpkmalibu 3 months ago
@Rpkmalibu You are wrong. Magnets never were the power and never will be. It is just basic physics. It is like saying "coil springs are the power of the future". If you care about our energy future as it appears that you do, I suggest you go study up on your physics and perhaps some chemistry dust off your mental tool kit and join the effort to find ways to get us off oil.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger : physics is the same as logic in that logic is not always right, that using logic to solve all your problems you will only complicate them. Humans know our barriers yet we try to break them and once and a while we succeed. Magnets are the power of the future no matter if physics agrees with that or not. Now if you have any more comments about physics or how magnetic motors are impossible then you can keep them to yourself and go crush someone else's dream
Rpkmalibu 3 months ago
@Rpkmalibu The machine proposed in this video won't work and can't work as anyone who cares to think about it for a while can prove to themselves. You seem to be of the "wishing can make it come true" mind set. It only works in fairy tales. In the real world, physics sets limits on what can happen and logic does work. If you see someone going up a blind alley when you know that they are looking for the library would you point out the error?
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
wtf we need a fuckin elecra-company--and pay for electrik....
TheTtomo 4 months ago
Electro Magnetic Gravity Wheel: A gravity wheel that instead of weights has magnets. and as those magnets fall in thier channels, they pass through coils, thus creating power. the power can be stored in a capacitor and turn a small motor that keeps the wheel going. Hmmmm...
Not saying it WILL work, BUT more likely than a regular Gwheel. At least the idea keeps the brain juices flowing. any thoughts people? (when I say people I mean anyone but Kmonger!)
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael - anything in a gravity wheel that converts movement of masses (such as magnets through coils) will absorb energy and only a small amount will be recoverable from batteries or capacitors - the stored energy will be further reduced via the recovery motors used to power the whole device. You have to understand anything you do within a closed system adds nothing to the total energy. A gravity wheel will never spin on it's own no matter what you do. You may not like it but that's it.
ZoeMarks 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks If Kmonger could just say his opinion once and then shut up, my thinking process would work better. The more he talks the more I'm going to resist his attitude. His comments have no influence on anybody yet he keeps talking. So, under the same princibale, why does he keep talking when it doesn't work? I have built things that work that others mock. Currently I have HHO devices that work, yet I have people telling me they don't work.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael I doubt that whether I state the point once or several times will have any effect on your thinking. You directed me to a video that shows something that is most certainly not a magnet motor as proof that magnet motors do exist. You are making further false claims in this latest statement by you. I have pointed out these false claims before.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger Nobody was talking to you. When I want your opinion, you'll know it. Shut the F up!
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael Got any more videos that most certainly are not of magnet motors that you want to direct me to as proof of your case?
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger And there it starts, the twisting of words as fact. It wasn't proof it was an "ah-ha! lets look into this a bit further".. I know it could be a fake, Mr. smart ass. And as a mater of fact, I did find anouther vid, but I aint telling you shit! You seem to be have nothing better to do but sit on top fo this vid, even though it not yours. Don't you have a life?
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael I pointed out that there is no such things as a "magnet motor" or a "gravity motor" and that there never can be because of the laws of physics. You have made several false claims that I have pointed out are nonsense. It appears that others have also told you that your ideas are bogus. I suggest you go learn some physics and stop suggesting silly ideas.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger You want verbal fist fight? You want to compaire my intelect to yours. I'm willing to throw down right now! Scientist have often tried the imposible, and from the futile attempts have made new discoveries. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael The question is whether "magnet motors" or "gravity motors" can work. The answer is no. You have suggested things are true that are easily shown to be false. You have suggested a "with 5x the power and getting more bang for your buck" about adding water to the intake of a motor. This is just outright nonsense.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger Wrong again. I have suggested the remote possibility of success if one is willing to try hard enough. Zoe's water injector was just a theory as to how it could be working. The 5x part was refuring to HYDROGEN compaired to gasoline. If you'll note they don't use gasoline on the space shuttle. Why? not enough umph! And you ignored my previous statement, so lets rewind and reveiw it agian...
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael Go back and read your own comment. You are clearly referring to what is being put into an engine. However we can leave that aside and compare the 2 numbers.
Hydrogen 61,100 BTUs per pound
Gasoline 20,900 BTUs per pound
The ratio is about 3 and not 5. You make vague arm wave statements with inaccurate numbers and have not really looked at the question of the magnet motor and yet you hold forth on these subjects.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger 500 characters to fit everything I need to say. What you THINK I'm referring to with limited space is amazing. DUH! yes I am refurring to intake, under 2 different processes! Ok so the exact nuber is off (something I read & something you read say 2 different things, like that could never happen in reall life). The world will sleep beter knowing you took the time to stroke your ego. BUT STILL the power of H>Gas.
YOUR STILL IGNORING THE STATMENT I MADE 2-3 POST AGO!!!!!!
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael You agree that even the kindest version of your statement that the number was 5 is in fact wrong, I see. In terms of energy per unit volume of fuel tank or energy per dollar, H2 doesn't fair as well. Also when you burn the H2 in an engine, you tend to make oxides of nitrogen unless you run with a slight excess of fuel. This is the same thing that is done with gasoline engines. You can also reduce the NOX by lowering the compression but that reduces efficiency.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger And yet agiain for the 3rd time you choose to ignore the other statement because it would give the slightest validation to anything I or anybody else choose to do. So, I'll say it again for those just tuning in. Scientist have often tried the imposible, and from the futile attempts have made new discoveries.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael Among these new discoveries, are there any "magnet motors"? NO The idea of the magnet motor is just as daft as the idea of putting big wheels on the back of a car so it is always rolling down hill. The serendipitous discovery makes a good story but is rarely how it really happened. It also does not happen when people spend there time doing the truly foolish. Nobody is going to make a great science breakthrough by putting big wheels on the back of their car.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger 3 years ago I invented a new wood stove. I also have a concept for a new diabeties monitor. Last week I discovered a new infinite number thoerom AND the proper definition for the word "faith" IN MY SLEEP! After 3 conscious attempts to ignore my statement I finally pin you down on it, & the big wheel theory all you have to support your reasoning?! Well I guess you showed me.
The thought that a monkey could accidently type shakespere is considered valid but will never be proven.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael You may have invented a new wood stove. You may well invent a blood sugar monitor. You aren't going to make a car always roll down hill by putting bigger wheels on the back and you aren't going to make a magnet motor.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger WHO IS PUTTING BIG TIRES ON A CAR AND THINKING THAT THEY ARE ROLLING DOWN HILL? NO ONE YOU STUPID ASS! THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST ABSOLUTE WORST COMPAIRISON. IN THE HISTORY OF COMPAIRSONS. but I guess it is all you have left. BTW I had an article printed the local news this week. I'm also a Vise Pres of my organization. (my horn. toot toot) What do you do beside annoy people? If I wanna persue things that don't work it's my time and money to waist. isent it?
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael
Just don´t mind close-minded people. :D
Nonterastor 3 months ago
@Nonterastor "The human mind is much like a book, both have to be open to be of any use" -wcemichael
"The need for being correct can overshadow the need for keeping friends or relationships" -wcemichael & Nonterastor 10-14-11. There, see? A new discovery has just been made(it's only fair to give you credit too, since the timing of your comment played a key role in the thought)
"Kmonger is probably a friendless virgin living in his mothers basement" I'm kidding I'm sure he pays his mother rent
wcemichael 3 months ago
@Nonterastor You should be addressing that comment to me. @wcemichael's mind and perhaps your mind also are closed to the very easily demonstrated fact that no combination of motions of magnetic poles can ever produce energy. If you don't believe me, I invite you to go look up the equation for force on a magnetic pole and the ones for energy and work and do just a little math and see what you observe. The math is not even all that hard. Give it a go.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger
I hear you.
But the math is not always correct.
THe most important thing with science is,that it should have no ego,it is never "true".
There is always something new to discover and flaws to erase.
As an example:I am sure you have heard about Nikola Tesla and the free energy,which states,that our air has enough power(around 240K). You just have to be able to tap into that energy(like Nokola Tesla did).
Nonterastor 3 months ago
@Nonterastor Did you go and really take a look at the math. It turns out that the reason I liken it to the big tires on the back is that once you see the equations and understand what they mean, the magnet motor suggestion becomes just like the big wheels one. The math just shows you how to look at the question. You already understand the tires thing well enough to straight away see that it can never work. Look at the force on a magnetic pole and energy and see how it is the same idea.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger
Yeah i know. ^ ^
But only with our current understanding of the laws of nature.
If it will work,awesome.
If it will never,not so bad,we still have geothermal energy,cold fusion,solar and wind.
So i will accept both possibilites till the moment i satisfied my own lust for research and came to an satisfying answer.
Nonterastor 3 months ago
@Nonterastor The geothermal works. Cold fusion is very unlikely. Solar and wind work. Hydroelectric works. Ocean thermal gradient works. I think you will agree that the big wheels on the back thing won't. When you've done your own research, you will see the point about the magnet motors.
The biggest problem we have with things like wind and solar is the storage of energy. If you can crack that one, you will solve a huge problem. It is what is really holding us back.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@Nonterastor The very point I've been trying to stress. Laws are only written to the best of our understanding. They are more like guidelines. Satalites must fall to the earth because of gravity, but because they have enough forward momentum they are falling, but are in a constant state of "missing the target" as explained in the hitchickers guide to the galaxy. Most people don't see the obivious because of the law of SEP fields being generated. Breaking down these fields is the first step.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael
Yeah.
In science we haven´t yet achieved objective"truth" we only came closer.
When the Wright Brothers wanted to build a flying machine every serious scientist laughed at them.
But they did it anyway.
Nonterastor 3 months ago
@Nonterastor Right! Even today, anytime ONE scientist has a new understanding of something, he has 20 other scientist dragging out a book of scientific "laws" and explaining how it's like putting bigger tires on the back end of a car. According to basic physics, atoms can not work. They have positive charged protons & negative charged electrons constantly spinning around them, yet nothing is keeping them charged or the electrons spinning. So we make a new understanding of why it happens anyway
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael No scientist or anyone else is ever going to make a car with big wheels on the back ever work. Can we at least agree on that. It seems to be too much to ask that you go look at the equations for the force on a magnetic pole and see what it really is telling you. It really makes me wonder why you even would agree that the big wheels thing won't work. What you are suggesting is that nonsense things like the big wheels idea can happen with magnetic fields because we can't see them.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger You talking to people about anything and thinking we care is like putting big wheels on the back of a car thinking that the car will coast down hill. It won't work, yet although we tell you this time and time again, you keep feeling the need to keep trying. Your efforts are futile like putting big wheels on the back of a car and thinking it will coast down hill. Nobody was talking to you or cares to talk to you. I'll give up when I AM satified that I HAVE exausted every approach
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael I am merely pointing out to you and others the facts. It is just something I happen to do. It is more likely to work than any magnet motor because the odds although very small are not zero.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger You are pointing out 1 set of facts, that you've never bothered to test yourself. Just like those idiots that keep pointing out to me that my HHO bottle doesn't work, because of the same set of facts, even though my motorcycle gets increased MPG. A group of college kids built a divice, and only turned in a report on how the device works. The COLLEGE PROFESSOR failed the paper stating facts on how it can't work. The students showed him the device & he quit teaching.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger Now, at my own work place, last week, there is a machine that can punch 6 slots into heavy gauge steel, using only tonage. The machine comes to a grinding hault when trying 12 slots. The HIGH paid matenace people say there is nothing that can be done. The lower paid set up guy, keeps bickering on how to do it, he is told it won't work. He ignores them & set up the machine his way. I ran this machine last week. It works fine & I understand why it works, while others sit on facts
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael Either that or they just don't want to take the job
kossxf 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger When a thief, steals your stuff and hurts you in the process remeber, It is just something he happens to do...
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael When someone supports crooks it is also just something they do. I will continue to point out the facts and you will continue to support con artists,
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger What ever.. I will continue to be a free thinker while you continue to be a bible thumper. That's right. Your no different that a christian telling people they have to obey a book of laws writen by men who used their best understanding of the subject. So blow it out your ass.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael I have suggested that you look for your self at the equations. Consider what it means and think for your self. Do just a little math or know a little physics and you will agree that these things can't work. Your claim of freedom is a false claim. You are a slave to your ignorance
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz You haven't done half the things I've done. Come on, step up to the plate and show me stuff YOU"VE done.... Put up or shut up!
wcemichael 3 months ago
@wcemichael - I don't believe many people understand what is meant when they say a HHO device "works". I don't think they work the way people describe them as as many folks argue the car is running on water when it isn't by any stretch of the imagination. The gases generated from the electrolysis of water no doubt improve the combustion process but any simple analysis of the energy balance shows the gain is in the region of 20 to 30%, not the 100% that some folks claim. My $0.02 worth.
ZoeMarks 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks Finally, and opinion other than "i'm right, your wrong". I love you.
I did net a gain in the range you suggest, but am still told it doesn't work. because of the energy it takes to run the device with a parallel power hook up. I figured out how to run mulitble units with an in series power hook up. using the same power that is used to run other devices, again to be told that I am full of shit, by know it alls, like people who's names start with K and end with MONGER
wcemichael 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks While you are right that the vehicle isen't "running on water" It's a good way to get people's attention, and since your filling up the vechile with water and not hydrogen, to the person your trying to get to understand the process. saying it is a good place to start till they understand better.
wcemichael 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks The 20 or 30% improvement only happens when you have an inefficient engine to start with. When you start with a more efficient engine, the percentage reduces. It works out that it is always more efficient to improve the basic engine than to run a mixture of H2, O2 and water vapor in. Making the gas takes too much energy so with an efficient engine, it becomes a net loss to do it.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@knowledgemonger - years ago I installed a water injection kit on a car that squirted a very fine mist of water into the carbie & it was claimed to improve the efficiency as the water mist apparently turned to steam in the combustion chamber & effectively increased the compression ratio. It seemed to work & my fuel economy improved ( I can't recall how much). I think these HHO devices are really doing the same thing as the combustion of it produces steam. Overall efficiency though...who knows?
ZoeMarks 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks It is well known that detonation and pinging is reduced by increasing the humidity. This allows a slight improvement in efficiency. Adding some H2 and O2 causes more complete burning of the fuel. It causes a larger improvement in efficiency. Better burning means that it is only the incomplete burning that allows any improvement.
knowledgemonger 3 months ago
@ZoeMarks Well, just what i think is happening with your injection unit is, I don't think that the process is burning the water. The water may be converted to steam therefor converting the liquid to gas would add to the expantion PSI in the chamber. Gas is a poor, dirty burning fuel, that why thay need converter on the exaust pipe. propaine vehicles don't need one. so your taking soming poor and adding somthing with 5x the power and getting more bang for your buck.
wcemichael 3 months ago
to all,
it very prominently appears that knowledgemonger is a paid dupe to thwart this technology. I claimed such in a letter and he did not deign said fact. Why does he go to such great lengths to try to stop the forwarding of this marvelous technology.
montereng1 4 months ago
@montereng1 If you saw someone going into a blind alley when you knew that they were looking for the library, would you tell them so? I suspect that you would. If you saw someone walkign towards a cliff, flapping their arms up and down saying I can fly would you suggest that perhaps they can't? I really hope that you would. If you saw someone who had obvious mechanical skill attempting to make a machine that you could see would never work, would you point out the problem?
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger If someone was walking into a blind alley and I told them and they kept walking anyway, I wouldn't have to repeat myself because they would figure it out on thier own eventualy. Whether this idea works or not isen't for YOU to decide if I should continue to think otherwise. Hey, here's a thought. God may or may not exist. Say you don't belive, but the stupid mormons keep knocking on your door telling you otherwise, your like the mormons. Go away.
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael If someone was directing people up a blind alley would you correct them at each time they try to misdirect someone?
It is not up to me to decide if an idea works. It is also not up to you. Ideas work or they don't. "Magnet motors" don't. As I have explained before, if you go look at the equations for force on a magnetic pole, energy and work, you will see why they don't work. This is not just someones opinion. This is the physics of the universe we live in.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger Here you go mr. smart ass.
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=Vo2-Qb3fUYs
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael The link does not work BTW
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger look up
Magnetic Rail Gun Science Project
by
antostoof1
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael Ok, I looked at it. If that thing instead of having a lot of magnets was just a ramp that they lifted an object up onto and then let is go, it would be more obvious what is happening but the idea is exactly the same. The person forcing the object into the start of the track is putting in all the energy needed to send it out the end. The magnets are repelling. each other just like they used a spring or something obvious like that. It is not a magnet motor.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger there is nothing in those kids video but magnets and wood. supporting the theory that all you need are magnets in the right configuration to get physical energy.
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael There you go sending people up a blind alley again. There is no such thing as a magnet motor. There are some fakes out there and many cases of people fooling themselves into thinking they have it almost working but there are none that actually work and there never can be. Anyone with knowledge of physics will tell you this.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
Lol, man. xD You're using the power generated by magnets coming together on repelling magnets, so that all that you've generated gets used up. And some additional energy that doesn't get generated goes to friction, that's why it wouldn't ever spin withought you spinning it.
IBMua 4 months ago
@IBMua You are right that if this was converting the energy in the magnets into mechanical form he would need new magnets when it is all used up. This is good logic. You however miss two important points. One of them is that the amount of energy in the magnetic field of even the strongest magnet's field is trivial. The other is that since the magnetic poles all end up back where they started, the machine doesn't do the conversion either.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
If I had a nickle for every pixel in this video, I would have a penny...
Chuckq1 4 months ago
I think when wcemichael will finally build his device and it will work knowledgemonger will shut his ass up and will try to replicate his idea.
DragonToko 4 months ago
@DragonToko Not when but "if" and then not even "if" because it is not going to happen. Anyone who check the physics will see why.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger I think you have some authorization problem, my friend. Why need to come here and say rubbish in other peoples videos? Please respect others. Video doesn't have to be correct in all physics law. It is just a fucking video. If you are so smart why don't you create something yourself and show us or why don't you work in a lab or a RnD research? Do you not have friends to play with? Noone pays attention on your opinions so you have to shout here and make yourself hearable?
DragonToko 4 months ago
@DragonToko I have as mush right to express my opinion here as you do, perhaps more. As I have pointed out before in these comments, the maker of this video, has by now moved on to other more useful things with his obvious skills to some other project. I can turn the question of why you come here and post rubbish back on you. I can also point out that obviously you paid attention to what I said.
I do do R and D for a living. Inventing stuff is how I make a living.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger Mister, maybe you are most smart man here and perhaps you are. But it doesn't mean you can just walk around and point everyone's mistakes out. It became so popular in nowdays to make those smart "competitions" in comments. Show off with own smartness, prove that someone is wrong, make arguments with use of high technological terms. What is it? Lack of attention and approval? That boy is using his brain to make something, let him play, it doesn't have to be All Correct thing.
DragonToko 4 months ago
@DragonToko Monger, I can't see any video of yours. Why not? Nothing to show? Show us how smart you are We will applause to you. Come on. Teach us, Teacher! We all need your education. Save the World! Please!
DragonToko 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger No comment on what I stated earlier? figures, when confronted with something you can't explain your silent, then you wait for another to speak up to find your opening back into your same argument without commenting on my other comments. You all do the same thing.
I've already seen one guy on youtube with this concept WORKING, except no gearing. the magnets were spinning in the manner that his video suggest.
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael I commented on what you claimed. Someone made a comment about me so I commented on his comment. I knew that you were going to read his comment so you would be back.
You have most likely seen a faked video or one of the many where the energy input is from the persons hand. I suggested that you go study a little physics for a good reason. You knew a little on the subject, you would understand the explanation of why this sort of thing can never work.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
I think this is design is possible, The theory works on paper, but we all know paper and applied mechanics do not always have the same answer, so I needs to be built. if it works it can be stacked. People tried to fly with the most stupidest things then the wright bos. finally did it with only a few seconds of air time. If they were on youtube today we'd be calling them stupid for trying and then say Oh geez you only had it in the air for few seconds.
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael You think that this works because you simply don't understand physics. No combination of motions of magnetic pole can ever create energy. Go look up the equation for the force on a magnetic pole. Then look up the equations for energy and work. Then do just a little math involving the dY/dX of the energy thing and compare it to the force thing and then look at the work thing. If you bother to do the study, you will see.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger What are you, a stalker? do you check these free energy vids everday for new commets to shoot down? Get your own channel and make what ever vid you want. I get sick and tired you yahoos. As soon as I explain everything I can to one person I have a new one and have to start all over agian. We have the right to try anything we want EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK! Saying it won't work doesn't mean it won't.
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael I decided to come back here because I have found that youtubes doesn't always tell me when someone has replied to my comments. I have suggested that you go look at the math for the physics so that you can see why this idea can never work. I come back and I see that you have again suggested out of ignorance that it could work. It can't go learn a little and stop making a fool of your self in public.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger. People have pics of bigfoot but sure you don't believe it, me niether. New invention start with ideas & theories & expand on them, not to be defeated by the first person that comes along & says "that'll never work". Getting people to give you tons of money for something that might give you a little something back is a scam. Trying out new possiblities on your own is the very basis of how things like the light bulb, & the Wright bros flyer were created. go away and let us dream
wcemichael 4 months ago
@wcemichael There is nothing in the laws of physics that rules out a large hairy ape that has yet to be discovered. I find the bigfoot pictures hard to believe but I can't rule it out. On the other hand, if you go look at the math just a little, you will see that this idea can never work. It is not just hard to believe. It is just flat a mistake to believe it. Do you try to fly by flapping your arms up and down? Have your tried it while wearing a red hat? How about green?
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger Red hat green hat? now you just being silly. People have tried the craziest things to fly, then somebody got it, no math, no computer models. Just good old trial and error. If I had the money and space I would build it the way I think it needs to be built. I also think a gravity wheel MIGHT