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  • What do you think about using sand-paper for sharpening knives?I dont have proper stones to sharp my knives.Your videos are amazing.Thank you

  • @nqkoisii You can use it but stones are better. Make sure you have a very hard flat backing to the sand paper so it won't become a convex edge.

  • LOL, i cracked up when i saw Murray give his arm a second look, just to check it was still there @ 2:50. LMAO

  • did he just talk about himself in the third person at the beginning of the video?

    I think I see where all of the ebay razors with a ton of hone wear on the spine are coming from.

    There are gobs of tutorials on here showing razor honing in a more appropriate way, there's no reason to try to create some new method.

  • @daw162 Agreed. This is nothing like the proper methods I have ever read in the forums or in books.

  • @daw162 How many razors in a ton? I hope you can see what an idiotic comment you made. Spine wear is equal to blade reduction and the entire razor was built this way for just that purpose. I bet you tape the tread on your tires with 3M tape so the tread never wears off.

  • I learned from him how to sharp things... That was a long time ago. Thanka to M C I started my adventure with knives and sharpwning. And Im v. glad of that...

  • Trash your edge!!!

  • Murray is the sharpening master! Most the 'traditional' methods were written when we still used lead water pipes, so not everything used the best methods back then! Now if you're going to hate on Murray who's merely putting things into a modern light for us, you can go drink your lead water, enjoy!

  • @ohyeahtotally08 A completely idiotic comment, as if lead pipes have something to do with razors. You might notice that the appropriate method of sharpening came from an era when people HAD to shave with straight razors, or have a barber do it, and they HAD to take care of their razors and prevent unnecessary hone wear because they couldn't afford to waste things.

    Several steps back 100 years later isn't magically an improvement.

  • @clemopcl You are nothing more than a troll. Do us all a favor and buzz off.

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  • @jedirifleman read again. I didn't type that it is wrong. I typed I can't believe that it also works. but srsly... Im outta here, you guys miss judgement. You're on mausers side? I made NO offense except towards him after he started... wow, now I understand nothing, I may have it all wrong and am starting to think myself that I am a f*g. bye sirs.

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  • Now to Mr. Carter, it's undeniable the technique you use works considering the fact that you got a magnificent shave from that razor. That technique is completely backwards from what I've been using but obviously it works. It's like is said on SRP all the time, shaving with a straight razor is more what works for you than anything else. Your technique is much faster than mine and I hope I can come close to duplicating that edge. Thanks for taking the time to post this video.

  • OMG I can't help doubting this really works. I never felt sorry for an unliving thing (in fact... machines=slaves, right?) but now I'm like "ooooh, poor little razor" :-(

    Razor is not a knife. It is so delicate that it makes surgeon knife look like a cold chisel. Touching wood this way... ouch. The edge is so fine that touching any not-so-hard fiber can damage it. And after all, I wonder, how on Earth can that blade after 19 years of grinding, overhoning and knocking off wire keep its width.

  • Hey Murray, have you ever got cut bad doing a video? I only ask because the ambulance in the background is circling like a buzzard. ; )

  • As many people have said, that wouldn't be my choice when sharpening a razor but I would love to try one out sharpened by you and compare it to a "traditionally" sharpened razor.

    I have gotten very good results from your "six step" sharpening for my kitchen knives. However, I finish off on a very very thin leather strop - hard backed - as I find the newspaper just doesn't provide a high enough polish for me. The thin leather goes even further to eliminate any rounding of the edge.

    Thanks!

  • Again Murray, I am impressed with your level of knowledge. It all makes perfect sense to me. I look forward to purchasing a 1000 & 6000 stone and attempting to put your techniques into practice.

  • That is an excellent video!  the only problem is I don't have all those stones nor the experience to to it. I guess I'll have to invest some time, money and learn!!

    Thanks for the encouragement!

  • @MrHardPressed Not true. If you watch a bunch of his YT vids and subscribe to his newsletter, you'll find out htat you CAN do the same thing with less than a perfect setup. you can get the same results (with a little more time) with other materials like plain steel block, cardboard, 400 grit sand paper, etc. Anything that dulls a knife will sharpen a knife.

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  • Being able to cut hair, and being able to cut hair comfortably are not mutually inclusive. Box cutter blades are sharp as hell and can shave, but I wouldn't consider it a shave worthy edge. People who don't shave with a straight can't comprehend this fact. If this method gives you a shave ready, comfortable edge, more power to you.

  • @kds471 I can drink Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and be very happy and satisfied. Just because some snob prefers Heineken and thinks PBR is swill dosen't mean squat. Its all in the eye of the beholder.

  • @eloser I don't think he's saying they need special water, just that they don't need to be soaked like synthetic stones do. I use king synthetics that soak for 30+ minutes before use or they don't perform well. My one natural finishing stones I just put a wet washcloth on it for a few minutes and then spritz water on it as I go and thus far it's worked well.

  • Wow, just wow.... I would not be doing that to my razors....

    Also, I would not be soaking a natural japanese stone in a bucket of water like you would a synthetic....

  • @brighty83 It's a stone, it's not the Mona Lisa, but I'm curious. What is the factual basis behind your ridiculous claim that natural waterstones need 'special water'? I'm sorry, but your comment is borderline retarded.

  • @eloser Natural Japanese stones are prone to cracking or disintegrating when they get to wet as they are made of a mud, layers and can have lines in them.

    Traditionally, the Japanese used to varnish the stones to prevent water from entering the stone through rain, moisture in the air etc.

    Now, I have paid thousands for my Japanese stones and I'm not going to risk damaging a stone due to stupidity.

    I wasn't having a dig about the stone i was making it aware.

    Now, why WOULD you think its ok?

  • This is pretty much the method I use and it works.

    Thing is, it works with Japanese water stones. If you have an Arkansas or other stone, you will need a slightly different technique, since these stones are usually harder and won't cut as fast.

    Also, since fine Japanese stones are rather soft, you can cut into them with an edge-leading stroke, if you're not careful, dulling the edge.

  • @kaizoebara There is little to no danger of an edge leading stroke on a straight razor since you lay it flat. At least, it has not once happened with any of my stones or razors.

  • @lovinglistener An edge trailing stroke allows the edge to flow over particles that are on the stone, particles that you would otherwise cut/collide into with your edge.

  • @CarterCutlery That's fair. I didn't word my sentence well. I meant danger of cutting into the stone. But I see your point.

  • Patrick, here from mtknives.blogspot Murray Carter taught me most everything I know about sharpening and I couldn't sharpen a knife to save my life until I watched his videos and within a hour I could achieve a shaving sharp edge. Anyone who can teach someone that fast is a master teacher! who can judge who the best is? But his method is definitely functional and adequate!

  • I have thoroughly enjoyed reading through comments sparked by this video, both here and forums. Obviously, people will take both ends of the spectrum - but this might actually be good for everyone involved. Those of you who have never heard of traditional razor sharpening methods might now look into it. For me, who has little to no experience sharpening knives, I have gained some knowledge as well. I think I'll post a little video follow up for you tomorrow Carter!

  • I greatly appreciate your videos. I can actually sharpen my pocket knives shaving sharp now. Thank you.

  • @Disburden Then lets see a video on how to do it correctly.

  • good job Pastor Carter,  thanks for sharing.

  • This discussion under your video is fun to read. I just say that using Murray's technique I've sharpened and succesfully shaved with knife worth about $1. As far as I remember I've used 1000 and 3000 grit stone, and newspaper for honing. So, Murray, whatever you do or say - I take it for granted.

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  • @CarterCutlery & those saying undream22 does't know what he's doing/should show his method- he has a few videos uploaded showing honing methods that are in line with the old barber manuals/considered standard practice by the straight shaving community.

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  • @namuh223 If you would take the time to read some on our forum you would see that the biggest bit of advice is that shaving with a straight is more of what works best from person to person and not that there is only one way of doing things and if you don't do it like this it's wrong. Educate yourself before bashing an entire community of people and looking like a jerk.

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  • (pt.1) @namuh223 So what you basically are saying is you are judging a community of a few thousand people based on three or four people from that community's comments. That means not only are you a jerk but ignorant or just flat out stupid as well. If you were paying attention you would see that I had no part in starting this. I am actually looking forward to trying this technique.

  • (pt.2) @namuh223 I just don't think it's fair to pass judgement on an entire people based on an "overwhelming" three or four people. I actually have taken the time to read other comments and watch other videos. I don't agree with saying his technique is totally wrong as one of my fellow forum members said. It is completely different from everything I have been taught. Maybe you should read on some of the other videos as well. You need to change your name to halfwit.

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  • @namuh223 The fact of the matter is I have more respect than you will ever know little man. I'm not saying anything about this technique being wrong so how is that kicking the dust back up? You are stupider than I originally thought. I don't agree with what those few people have said and never even hinted that I do. All I was saying is you shouldn't base your retarded opinions on what a couple of people said and judge the entire forum. Sit down and shut up.

  • @namuh223 You want respect then show respect. I will not show it to someone like you. You are just as closed minded as the people you think you are better than. Get off your high horse.

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  • @Disburden This is the way that Murray has been sharpening his straight razor for the last 19 years. It is undeniable to say that it doesn't produce shaving sharp edges. You can see in numerous other videos that Murray has replicated this edge across a wide spectrum of items; everything from camp knives to spoons.

  • I've watched a number of honing videos online as well as read through an old barber's manual (1923, iirc) and even had someone who's been honing razors show me how to hone. This video is completely opposite of what I've seen/read/been taught. However, it appears to work for Mr. Carter. If I had a razor I didn't mind accidentally screwing up I'd give it a try.

  • @undream22 As evident from your display of knowledge, you must be an authority on the matter of sharpening straight razors, or sharpening in general. Everyone would greatly benefit if you filmed a video showing your alternative techniques with better results.

  • @CarterCutlery you only fail to consider the fact that video does not show in any way shape or form how the edge feels on the skin.

    I am sure that when you hone a razor the same way you sharpen a knife it produces the best edge, NOT.

    One more thing, you are trained in Japan why don't you ask around your Japanese buddies how to hone razors, may be you will get it then.

  • @mainaman Yes, I said master. I feel like I MAY get sharper edges than Murray, but there is no way to tell definitively. My edges pass all of the tests Murray does to test his edges.

    I said master because he technically is a master. Master blade smith. :)

  • @undream22 I'm gonna guess that being an ABS mastersmith, he's PROBABLY shaved with at least ONE "truly" sharp razor, whatever that standard may be. I mean, the man has shaved with a spoon for crying out loud! haha

    There's more than one way to skin a cat, and just as many ways to sharpen a cat skinner... ;)

  • @undream22 I think the evidence of the cutting is more relevant than the theory of it potentially cutting better. What Murray has proven over and over, with knives, axes, scissors, spoons is that he can clean shave with anything sharpened correctly. Exactly how do you think the scratch pattern on the bevel is going to effect the shaving ability when it is the apex of the edge that performs the cutting action? a hair is < 0.1mm thick. thats how much bevel needs refinement to work.

  • @knivesandstuff I totally agree with you. Murray gets undeniable results.

    I would LOVE for Mr. Carter to check out my freehand sharpening videos and critique my technique. Validation from the master would be awesome! Haha :)

  • @undream22 if you have little to no experience sharpening knives then why would you criticize someone who has used the same method for years, but teaches people this method to put food on the table. That is the equivalent of telling a chef his recipe is wrong because someone over there does it different. why you would even go to the lengths of leaving such a negative comment on a subject you admit to not being versed in is a mystery to me.

  • @WxSxBx Brad is actually very well versed in the art of straight razor honing. Not only has he honed many (indicated by his many videos), but he is the type that shaves with them all the time, every time he shaves. This is the internet. When something is seen as being false information, it gets called out. That is just how it works.

  • @undream22 Dude, he shaves with spoons. I doubt you're even old enough to grow facial hair.

  • @undream22 You realize he is an ABS Master bladesmith right? A 17th generation Yoshimoto bladesmith right? What are you? A groupee for a razor forum who worships pinkies up snobbery in the shaving arena? Name me 1 master razor sharpener who used electrical tape on a razor spine 150 years ago. . .waiting. . .waiting. . .

  • @7x57mmMauser Razor is a tool of gentlemen. Look: even though undream22 and Carter disagree with each other, they are still so unbelievably polite and hearty. You? You are rude and offensive. You don't fit in here.

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  • @undream22 hey dumbass why dont u make a vedio and show us then?

  • Thanks for this! There is a serious lack of razor sharpening tutorials out there, this is great.

  • I know Murray isn't a fan of lapping stones but are these stones lapped?

  • @rbechard By observation, it appears they are the regular stones Murray uses for every blade he sharpens. If so, they are certainly not lapped. As to the natural 20K or so grit stone from the Kyoto mines, it probably is lapped... lol at least until he uses it for a while. Japanese sword sharpeners crown their stones anyway, but Murray believes in working 'with' the stone and so maintaining the surface through use by 'zone' on the stone for the type of steel removal you want.

  • I love your videos. Please keep doing this! 

  • Thank you for ANOTHER great video, but what about a vid on how you make your Razors?

  • As always a great video! Murray got me interested in waterstones sharpening at the start of this year(2011) and I jumped in to it. With his tips and guidelines I have become better than a machine IMO. And through practice I get better results with less time and more confidence. Very rewarding!!! Thank you MC and CC!

  • That is REALLLLLY great :) I love sharpening knives. I still need to improve though :)

  • It's amazing watching you sharpen.. Your like.. bam bam bam.. Oh its razor sharp! mwaha..

    Wasn't the most technical or mature way of putting it.. But yeah you get it done quickly.

  • Two days ago I started shaving with my straight razor. Thank you Mr. Carter for sharing your methods with us.

  • Always a pleasure to watch someone sharpen so effortlessly.

  • Thanks Mr. Carter I want to start shaving with a cut throat razor so this was help in making a decision in getting one :)

  • Cutting of the belt... Classic!

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