@TheTamerlans Грузины называли нас всегда Осами, потому и Осури вы танцуете, и сыр ваш сулугуни наш, происходит от дигорского -сулугун . Грузины всегда присваивали все себе, а Картули вообще азербайджанский танец. и уж Балкарцы точно не Аланы, наш осетинский язык доказательство того, что Аланы- Осетины- Сарматы. не завидуйте и признайте это по-мужски
Объявляется набор всех желающих танцевать осетинские и кавказские танцы в Москве в студию Нартон, под руководством Садикоевой Ларисы. Начало занятий в сентябре.
Для справки: Сценическая хореография танца «Приглашение» впервые была создана и поставлена Заслуженным деятелем искусств РФ, народным артистом Северной Осетии Хаджисмелом Петровичем Варзиевым в 1969 году Государственному ансамблю народного танца Северной Осетии (Северо-Осетинской АССР) "Алан" для выступления на 9-ом Международном Фестивале Молодежи и Студентов в Софии (Болгария).
What is that you cannot share? This is beautiful why you try to keep it only for your "tribe" instead of sharing with everybody. How can you determine the exact roots of each song, each dance, which are common in a large number of people? What will be the result if you can prove it was first started by a particulat people, will you get copyright fees? This is all nonsense each of these people are tiny, why don't you try uniting instead of fighting over things which unites us all.
(3) "...A biza kişi bla tü-üşmeybiz; Ant dep anda bir makam bartda anı bir kişida oynıyalmayt, Hardarnı birkişida oynamayt, Gollunu kişida oynamayt, sora kalay aytırıkdıla! Alay aytıb koyalla; sizni tepsewügüznü makamıgızga karab okuna aytıb koyayık deb."
(2)" Sözüçün Gollunu kişi eşitmegendi, Hardarnı kişi eşitmegendi, Juguturnu kişi eşitmegendi. Endi kavkazda ol oyunla bardıla, bir kavum makamla, alanı oynamagan kişi cokdu; Sora karasañg bilmeyse; bu kimniki bolu deb kesi-kesiñge. Keslerida birbirlerine alay aytalla, sora tüvüşüb başlayla; ugay ol biznikid sen bizden algansa dep. Bilmegenden..."
"-Hau! Endi beri kara; endi aytamada; beri Türkge kelsek; kafkazlıla köb kelelle; Gürcüden kelelle, andan Azarbaycandan kelelle, a sora Adigeyden, Çeçenden kelelle, har cılda bir-birge colukgan etebiz; ala kesleri seyir etib, alay aytıb koyalla, (tepsewnü aytmasakta), bu makamnı ömürde eşitmegenbiz dep koyalla. " Kudaylanı Muhtar
U wanna say that all caucasians wearing circassian costumes? All chechens, dagestanians, georgians, karachays, balkars, osetians wearing circassian costumes? It's funny but not serious. Thank u patriot.
I wanna say for every one: please dont write here if u dont like that. But if u writing here please give the facts.
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actually it is not funny. casue the thing is, if you go back in history and read, you'll find that the most civilized nation of the north caucasus were the circassians, particularly the kabarday tribe.. they were referred to as the aristocrates of the caucasus. lets not forget that there are differences between circassian, dagi and georgians, as for the rest of the nations they were insignificant (small in number, dwelling in mountains, or dominated by other tribes)
About tunes. Karachays and balkars have the most same tunes with adige, than with osetians. Osetian groups: west groups like digora hase the same culture with us karachay-balkars, but east and south groups are diffrent. they are similar with dagestan culture and tunes.
In total we can see that osetians couldn't has this dance be cause there different in goups (tribes).
Osetians has the same, but i can say that the same dance have kabrdinians too.
Than what? Is this karachays, kabardinians or osetians? Who can proove it?
Also I can say Karachay-Balkarian dance groups are the greatest than osetians or others: Elbrus ansable was a winner in Turkey Caucasus falk danses, and thay win in Portugal and in Spain. Earlier dance group Mingi Taw was the greatest in Caucasus. Sorry for my english.
fuck off, killing me would mean u r the world's most courageous, presently ur a shit cunt, i prefer doing some shit rather speaking,,,waitn for ur truthness of words...till then fuck off........
Your head is full of "saman",you are not even worth sending post to.I better talk to a wall,I bet I get better responses from a wall.Hope you find some other dumb and ignorant people to talk to or you will die lonely. Good luck to you dumb-ass :))
u r the biggest gay cunt i ve eve seen, i can giv u a favour that is u may suck my dick. MoFo the thing u said to me will just reamain ur dream 4 rest of ur life, beacuse my nation people can fuck ur nation up to ass of ur faggat nation. fuck off dick head!
An ossetic dance with an old ossetian tune. By the way, the Karachay people and Ossetians are neither brothers nor congates. The former are of purely Caucaseon and latter of Iranian origin respectively.
I don't know. I have a friend who has been in Balkaria. He told me that they were dancing it. Balkaria was dancing old Alan dances, like Chepena, Choppay(Tsoppay), Hordar, according to him. I saw some performances of Balkaria, in old video-tapes, and i watched them in a live show. They were really good.
Of course, we have similarities. You Karachays have a dance just like that: Tuz Tepsew. That is similar, but not same. In this dance; dancing style, choreography, wearing stlye and all musics are %100 Ossetian.
And i'm sure that, this dance group show this dance as an Ossetian dance. So, maybe owner has to change its name to "Ossetian dance". My point is this. However, it's a very good performance and it was great to watch from Karachay-Alan brothers ;)
Man, the most funny thing is yhat - that this type as Tuz tepsew/Kafa/Simd are completely without any differences. I heard Osset music - many tunes are stylistically same with karachay, georgian or adiga - WestCaucasian circle I guess)
But this is ensemble Mingi-Tau they are beginners, so they dance karachay dance, anyway they could tell if it is ossetian dance.
I don't understand that why are you persisting. Those dances have some differences: moves, arms, steps are different. Of course, a person who doesn't know too much about Caucasian dance, he can't choose which one is which one. But i can. There are big differences. I can define a dance as Ossetian or Adiga easily. Specially musics! Musics are compeletely different. And there, 3 musics; all of those are Ossetian musics. That's all.
:) OK! But... This is not similarity. This is Ossetian dance. For example: Ossetian folk dance group Alan is staging an Armenian dance. But nobody says "It is Ossetian" or "There are similarities between Ossetian and Armenian dances". Everybody knows that the dance is Armenian and Ossetian dancers is performing that. Simple...
And yes, of course we have very similar dance traditions. An English guy, for example, never can distinguish is that Ossetian "Honga" or Karachay "Tüz Tepsew"...
I don't want to argue with you, but what the point of new karachay ensemble to dance non-karachay dances? They are not regional level like Kavkaz (karachay-dagestani ensemble from stavropol) or Suhishvili that they could diverse their program by neighbour dance...
Of course! It's normal. Did i say anything about it? I just said: "So, maybe owner has to change its name to "Ossetian dance". My point is this. However, it's a very good performance and it was great to watch from Karachay-Alan brothers ;)"
Topic is wrong, it's Ossetian folk dance. I said only this.
Ok, I understood. But maybe you will ask uploader about this? The ensemble Mingitau is really new in KChR, so I doubt that they will dance dances of neighbours without reference..
what does it matter? if it is ossetian or karachay, it is kavkaz, we all share the kavkaz culture greatly. all ossetian, abkhazian,adige...dances come from same root. they are wonderful and graceful, we need to stay as one and not break up the caucasus.
AdigeShapsug you say "what does it matter? if it is ossetian or karachay, it is kavkaz, we all share the kavkaz culture greatly. all ossetian, abkhazian,adige...dances come from same root" but then why do you degrade Karachay in other videos? This is Karachay.
when have i ever degraded karachay?i do not see karachay as anything different than another caucasian nation. i think you have misunderstood me, let me clarify, tell me what did i say. i agree simd is karachay or osset.
insult? i have not yet met any karachay who is insulted from being integrated into a larger caucasus culture. circassians are part of the culture, as are karachay, abkhaz, cecen...yes this dance is osset but very similar to adige. it is all from one common dance in the old days. speed, music, tempo, all may be differnt but not much else. no insult here,
"insult? i have not yet met any karachay who is insulted from being integrated into a larger caucasus culture."
No, Karachay's are proud Caucasians. What I said was I saw some Karachay's upset when told they're Adige- they claim they are not. They also claim they are not Turkic.
well yes, of course, nobody wants to be forgotten. they are karachay, i am adige, i am proud to call karacahy my brothers as they probably are of me but i don't want to be called karachay because i am adige. nothing wrong with karachay or visa versa, but you know why say i am karachay if i am not, and same for karacays. i know many karachay and i can tell you they are too good looking to be turkic :))
"i know many karachay and i can tell you they are too good looking to be turkic :)) "
There's no reason to be racist :) Not only Karachay's but Adige are also good looking. I am Turkic and I can confidently tell you I'm a very attractive woman and I don't have a problem saying it either- there's nothing wrong with that. I'm often asked by Turks if I'm "cerkez" because I am a bit "degishik" but I'm not. We are good looking too. Btw, I don't feel the need to insult you back :)
i appologize if i insulted you, i thought you were karachay and i wanted to lighten things up a bit * we were getting a bit serious for youtube;)) but again thanks for not being offended. turkce konusiyormusun? cerkez dedinde? well, also if oyu are in turkey, deishik can also be liek gocmen and so on. but no offense to you, i am sure you are a lovely woman, i was again only trying to lightine things. :)
Музыка осетинская народная («Чындзыты кафт», «Заманхъуйлаг хонгæ кафт», «Чызджыты кафт»)
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lilflfdu, хаха, а вы лично спрашивали у постановщиков, что они не разрешали нам тоже ставить этот танец?
MariamMariam09 2 months ago
У Осетин Карачаевцев и Балкарцев похожие танцы мы родственники с древности !
Ruslan03081976 3 months ago
Это же осетинский танец Хонга!))
lilflfdu 3 months ago
Одна из самых старинных осетинских мелодий...А исполняют наверное карачаевцы? Неплохо..
asosias1 6 months ago
какая разница, кем была поставлена сценическая хореография?
MariamMariam09 7 months ago
@MariamMariam09 Ну здрасти, какая разница))
Знаете закон об авторском праве, так вот по закону автора сценической хореографии всегда надо указывать первым.
lilflfdu 3 months ago
UrsNYMAET, vitek19791, у карачаевцев и осетинов одинаковые танцы! Этот танец исполняют карачаевцы испокон веков.
MariamMariam09 7 months ago
ЭТО ОСЕТИНСКИЙ ТАНЕЦ "ХОНГА" ))))) Но танцуют не осетины, кажется
UrsNYMAET 8 months ago 2
КАКОЕ ЭТО КАРАЧАЕВСКОЕ..ЭТО ОСЕТИНСКИЙ ТАНЕЦ ПРИГЛАШЕНИЕ..ВО ДАЮТ...
vitek19791 10 months ago 3
такая пара красивая!а у девушки волосы на зависть нашим девушкам наши девушки всегда завидуют кавказким девушкам за волосы белой завистью конечно
1358natasha 11 months ago
Хонга Кафт- это Аланский-Осетинский танец.
TheSuperzaika 1 year ago
А это не Аланский -Балкарский танец!?**** Ведь Аланы Балкарцы и Карачаевцы и соответственно танец их... Как Осури Грузинский
TheTamerlans 1 year ago
@TheTamerlans Грузины называли нас всегда Осами, потому и Осури вы танцуете, и сыр ваш сулугуни наш, происходит от дигорского -сулугун . Грузины всегда присваивали все себе, а Картули вообще азербайджанский танец. и уж Балкарцы точно не Аланы, наш осетинский язык доказательство того, что Аланы- Осетины- Сарматы. не завидуйте и признайте это по-мужски
ALANIA986 1 year ago
@ALANIA986 mne vas jal - chto u vas takoe chto zavidovat - eto smeshno; prodoljaite chitat osetinskix "uchonix" ;)
GiurjJanavar 11 months ago
@ALANIA986 Картули - Лекури - Лезгинка. При чем тут азербайджанцы?
DagestaniGirl 8 months ago
На этом жефестивале с номером "Танец-приглашение" гран при получила легендарная Альбина Баева.
SvalbardKonge 1 year ago
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Объявляется набор всех желающих танцевать осетинские и кавказские танцы в Москве в студию Нартон, под руководством Садикоевой Ларисы. Начало занятий в сентябре.
AjwatSadieva 1 year ago
Для справки: Сценическая хореография танца «Приглашение» впервые была создана и поставлена Заслуженным деятелем искусств РФ, народным артистом Северной Осетии Хаджисмелом Петровичем Варзиевым в 1969 году Государственному ансамблю народного танца Северной Осетии (Северо-Осетинской АССР) "Алан" для выступления на 9-ом Международном Фестивале Молодежи и Студентов в Софии (Болгария).
ArhivArhiv 1 year ago 2
Still it has been only our history. Now it is our music, dances and national costume. What will be assigned next???
Its an anciant ossetian wedding dance with deep meaning!
SvalbardKonge 1 year ago
Красивый танец!!! Умело танцуют!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KarineArm57 2 years ago
А музыка какая! Сказка.
Prokuror11 2 years ago
Это осетинский танец приглашение....очень красиво танцуют!!!!!Молодцы ребята!!!!
mir7771 2 years ago 4
Это осетинский танец приглашение...., но кто танцует не важно....т.к. очень красиво танцуют...
mir7771 2 years ago 3
What is that you cannot share? This is beautiful why you try to keep it only for your "tribe" instead of sharing with everybody. How can you determine the exact roots of each song, each dance, which are common in a large number of people? What will be the result if you can prove it was first started by a particulat people, will you get copyright fees? This is all nonsense each of these people are tiny, why don't you try uniting instead of fighting over things which unites us all.
ealtinta 2 years ago 3
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tramhan 2 years ago
seems everyone forgets what's important and argues about who is important
come on caucasians.stop it.
timchic 2 years ago 3
kabardinpshi, what are u talking about fucking idiot. what kind of aristocrets u talking?
CaucasusOnline 2 years ago
как два лебедя...очень красиво!
foyanika 3 years ago
thanks a lot...that's excellent... long live all CAUCASSIAN NATIONS...
OSSETIANgorgoch 3 years ago
Krasota!
Za mir na kavkaze!
ZeightS 3 years ago
The female performer is one of the most feminine Kavkaz dancer I have seen yet.
Beautiful!
AnaMurida 3 years ago 4
peace to KARACAY!!!
ayyildiz60 3 years ago 7
Cherkeslile aladan ese aqirin tepseyle. bila bizge zalimirek oshaydila ol sebebden, alay a bizni tepsewubuz cherkesden da aqiriniraqdi.
Ol canindan qarasang bizge tegeylile bek kelishedile.
Scolot09 3 years ago
@Scolot09 Ну, а это точно осетинский танец ХОНГА КАФТ.
Тут не о чем спорить.
2308Konstantin 1 year ago 2
Folklor tepsewleni almay, tuz toyda tepsegenlege qarasang, bek zalim ayirasa chechenni, cherkesni, daghistanni.
Qarachay bla Malqar aqirin tepseydi.
Sez uchun chechenlile tepsesele asiri zalim silkinib tepsegenden aqiling alay boladi, bila tepsey bilemidile deb. Alay boghanliqgha chechenlile tepsegen saghatda qizdira biledile adamni. keb kere tebsegenme alani ichlerinde.
Scolot09 3 years ago
Tuz aytasa alan. alay a ani sen, men bilgenlikge bashxalagha da angilatirgha kerekdi. Angilatib tebreseng a wa, kerese qalay boladi.
Tepsewle biri birine asiri bek ushaghandan oghari milletle qoy kesibiznikile da xazna angilamaydila.
Scolot09 3 years ago
Kafkas milletleni tepsevleri beg uşaydı, biz kaydan bileyik kesi tepsevübüznü
MUHTAR:
1-Makam...
Tepsew ol kesi makamı bla etilse boladı..
2-...har tepsewnü allında ol törelik bolsa; törelik, adet, ala. Endi sözüçüngge oñg canında har zamandada kızga sıy bergen, ullu sıy etgen, alay ol adetleni; kolun kalay tuthanın bilseñg, başıñgı kayrı bururga bilseñg, sallarıñgı kalay tutarga bilseng; ma ol tepsew bizni tepsewübuzdu degença; tepsew bilinip_kaladı
AfyonKaracay 3 years ago
(3) "...A biza kişi bla tü-üşmeybiz; Ant dep anda bir makam bartda anı bir kişida oynıyalmayt, Hardarnı birkişida oynamayt, Gollunu kişida oynamayt, sora kalay aytırıkdıla! Alay aytıb koyalla; sizni tepsewügüznü makamıgızga karab okuna aytıb koyayık deb."
Kudaylanı Muhtarnı sözlerille bula.
AfyonKaracay 3 years ago
(2)" Sözüçün Gollunu kişi eşitmegendi, Hardarnı kişi eşitmegendi, Juguturnu kişi eşitmegendi. Endi kavkazda ol oyunla bardıla, bir kavum makamla, alanı oynamagan kişi cokdu; Sora karasañg bilmeyse; bu kimniki bolu deb kesi-kesiñge. Keslerida birbirlerine alay aytalla, sora tüvüşüb başlayla; ugay ol biznikid sen bizden algansa dep. Bilmegenden..."
AfyonKaracay 3 years ago
"-Hau! Endi beri kara; endi aytamada; beri Türkge kelsek; kafkazlıla köb kelelle; Gürcüden kelelle, andan Azarbaycandan kelelle, a sora Adigeyden, Çeçenden kelelle, har cılda bir-birge colukgan etebiz; ala kesleri seyir etib, alay aytıb koyalla, (tepsewnü aytmasakta), bu makamnı ömürde eşitmegenbiz dep koyalla. " Kudaylanı Muhtar
AfyonKaracay 3 years ago
U wanna say that all caucasians wearing circassian costumes? All chechens, dagestanians, georgians, karachays, balkars, osetians wearing circassian costumes? It's funny but not serious. Thank u patriot.
I wanna say for every one: please dont write here if u dont like that. But if u writing here please give the facts.
Scolot09 3 years ago
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actually it is not funny. casue the thing is, if you go back in history and read, you'll find that the most civilized nation of the north caucasus were the circassians, particularly the kabarday tribe.. they were referred to as the aristocrates of the caucasus. lets not forget that there are differences between circassian, dagi and georgians, as for the rest of the nations they were insignificant (small in number, dwelling in mountains, or dominated by other tribes)
kabardinpshi 2 years ago
Ha-ha-ha!)))) very funny statement
Baron200 2 years ago 2
its Osaitian music, and the 2nd part z Adiga ,the 3rd mmm.this nation z a thief ,lets begin with wearing Circassian costumes and they say its theirs
theCircassianGOD 3 years ago
About tunes. Karachays and balkars have the most same tunes with adige, than with osetians. Osetian groups: west groups like digora hase the same culture with us karachay-balkars, but east and south groups are diffrent. they are similar with dagestan culture and tunes.
In total we can see that osetians couldn't has this dance be cause there different in goups (tribes).
Scolot09 3 years ago
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TheSuperzaika 1 year ago
@Scolot09 hahahha! :D
Bolatberjey 1 year ago
This's an old karachay dance.
Osetians has the same, but i can say that the same dance have kabrdinians too.
Than what? Is this karachays, kabardinians or osetians? Who can proove it?
Also I can say Karachay-Balkarian dance groups are the greatest than osetians or others: Elbrus ansable was a winner in Turkey Caucasus falk danses, and thay win in Portugal and in Spain. Earlier dance group Mingi Taw was the greatest in Caucasus. Sorry for my english.
Scolot09 3 years ago
beautiful video.
karachay's are turkic caucasians.
AnaMurida 3 years ago
KaraChay are Turkic peolpe, even the name is Turkic. they are assimilated Turkic peolpe. Lailahailalah.
KaraChayBlackTea 3 years ago 2
just beatiful....free chencenyaaa
antigs5 3 years ago
true.......i acknowledge....
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
what the hell is that ?
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
wtF do you mean?
iliaskets 3 years ago
wtf is this dance,,,,,,,,,shit dance......u understand.
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
Shut up man or you r dead
Aslan1999Z 3 years ago
fuck off, killing me would mean u r the world's most courageous, presently ur a shit cunt, i prefer doing some shit rather speaking,,,waitn for ur truthness of words...till then fuck off........
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
just hush ignorant Arab i dont remember asked u any goddamn question u sandniggar
iliaskets 3 years ago
mother fucker c the comments then speak, fuckin shit cunt, u must b from israel, mother fucker.
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
Your head is full of "saman",you are not even worth sending post to.I better talk to a wall,I bet I get better responses from a wall.Hope you find some other dumb and ignorant people to talk to or you will die lonely. Good luck to you dumb-ass :))
iliaskets 3 years ago
aye cunt fuck off, dont try to b smart mother fucker, u giving me headache. fucken pussy cunt,
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
thn shut the fuck up u bitch dont be jealous if you dont have like beautifull dance u MoFo
iliaskets 3 years ago
son ov a bitch. fuck off nd u shut ur fucking ass, dumb cunt. mother fucker i wish i could meet u in real then replied u mother fucker in a real way,
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
Good question faggot cocksucker. If you ask me I would terminate your faggot nation to the last person, just a favor for the world.
iliaskets 3 years ago
u r the biggest gay cunt i ve eve seen, i can giv u a favour that is u may suck my dick. MoFo the thing u said to me will just reamain ur dream 4 rest of ur life, beacuse my nation people can fuck ur nation up to ass of ur faggat nation. fuck off dick head!
crazydudekillz 3 years ago
An ossetic dance with an old ossetian tune. By the way, the Karachay people and Ossetians are neither brothers nor congates. The former are of purely Caucaseon and latter of Iranian origin respectively.
aors 3 years ago
we all have the same great roots.
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
btw, Bolatberiev, I guess you are an Ossetian. Do you have Apsaty -paganic forest god in your folklore?
Qylych 3 years ago
Yes. He is Afsati.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Intersting. And what about thunder gods? Eliya, Shibla or other?
Qylych 3 years ago
I don't have so much information about it. Because i'm not a pagan ;) but...
Galegon is the master of the winds.
Watsilla is master of the "abundance" and his name is related with Christian St.Ilya-Eliya
And the most popular semi-god is Wastyrdji (Wasgergi). He is the master of the voyagers, men and soldiers. His name is deriving from St.George.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Interesting. And where can I download old ossetian songs in choir style? I heard at the wedding soe of them, but I don't know where to find it...
Qylych 3 years ago
i sent you an addres with mail for Ossetian songs. There, you can find many style of Ossetian musics, also old Ossetian songs by choirs.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Thanks! I have found a Chepena song - it is similar to Tepena in our paganic times))
Qylych 3 years ago
I saw Tepena, from ensemble Balkaria. It was great. Tepena-Chepena is probably an old Alanian dance.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Btw, I hadn't seen that performance, can you tell me where to find it? Yes it is same thing)
Qylych 3 years ago
I don't know. I have a friend who has been in Balkaria. He told me that they were dancing it. Balkaria was dancing old Alan dances, like Chepena, Choppay(Tsoppay), Hordar, according to him. I saw some performances of Balkaria, in old video-tapes, and i watched them in a live show. They were really good.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
No this is KARACHAY's
kazawat 3 years ago
No, this is pure OSSETIAN dance & music. I know that well as much as i know my name. ;)
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
This is Ossetian...
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
We all have similarities. But this is karachays.
Qylych 3 years ago
Of course, we have similarities. You Karachays have a dance just like that: Tuz Tepsew. That is similar, but not same. In this dance; dancing style, choreography, wearing stlye and all musics are %100 Ossetian.
And i'm sure that, this dance group show this dance as an Ossetian dance. So, maybe owner has to change its name to "Ossetian dance". My point is this. However, it's a very good performance and it was great to watch from Karachay-Alan brothers ;)
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Man, the most funny thing is yhat - that this type as Tuz tepsew/Kafa/Simd are completely without any differences. I heard Osset music - many tunes are stylistically same with karachay, georgian or adiga - WestCaucasian circle I guess)
But this is ensemble Mingi-Tau they are beginners, so they dance karachay dance, anyway they could tell if it is ossetian dance.
My greetings, regards)
Qylych 3 years ago
I don't understand that why are you persisting. Those dances have some differences: moves, arms, steps are different. Of course, a person who doesn't know too much about Caucasian dance, he can't choose which one is which one. But i can. There are big differences. I can define a dance as Ossetian or Adiga easily. Specially musics! Musics are compeletely different. And there, 3 musics; all of those are Ossetian musics. That's all.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
I am just telling that it is new karachay ensemble - and they dance karachay dances, thats all I wanted to say. Of course similarities are huge.
Qylych 3 years ago
:) OK! But... This is not similarity. This is Ossetian dance. For example: Ossetian folk dance group Alan is staging an Armenian dance. But nobody says "It is Ossetian" or "There are similarities between Ossetian and Armenian dances". Everybody knows that the dance is Armenian and Ossetian dancers is performing that. Simple...
And yes, of course we have very similar dance traditions. An English guy, for example, never can distinguish is that Ossetian "Honga" or Karachay "Tüz Tepsew"...
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
I don't want to argue with you, but what the point of new karachay ensemble to dance non-karachay dances? They are not regional level like Kavkaz (karachay-dagestani ensemble from stavropol) or Suhishvili that they could diverse their program by neighbour dance...
Qylych 3 years ago
Of course! It's normal. Did i say anything about it? I just said: "So, maybe owner has to change its name to "Ossetian dance". My point is this. However, it's a very good performance and it was great to watch from Karachay-Alan brothers ;)"
Topic is wrong, it's Ossetian folk dance. I said only this.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Ok, I understood. But maybe you will ask uploader about this? The ensemble Mingitau is really new in KChR, so I doubt that they will dance dances of neighbours without reference..
Interesting link, thanx.)
Qylych 3 years ago
what does it matter? if it is ossetian or karachay, it is kavkaz, we all share the kavkaz culture greatly. all ossetian, abkhazian,adige...dances come from same root. they are wonderful and graceful, we need to stay as one and not break up the caucasus.
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
Yes, of course. We are all Caucasian...
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Hi there! Join our talk) We just talked about similarities that are so close between all our people)
Qylych 3 years ago
AdigeShapsug you say "what does it matter? if it is ossetian or karachay, it is kavkaz, we all share the kavkaz culture greatly. all ossetian, abkhazian,adige...dances come from same root" but then why do you degrade Karachay in other videos? This is Karachay.
Everyone stop arguing pleaze.
KaraChayBlackTea 3 years ago 6
when have i ever degraded karachay?i do not see karachay as anything different than another caucasian nation. i think you have misunderstood me, let me clarify, tell me what did i say. i agree simd is karachay or osset.
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
Adige, I see your comments on some videos about Karachay's being Adige, and I think you have upset some Karachay's for your unfounded claims.
Both Adige and Karachay cultures are very nice and should be appreciated for their own.
AnaMurida 3 years ago 2
insult? i have not yet met any karachay who is insulted from being integrated into a larger caucasus culture. circassians are part of the culture, as are karachay, abkhaz, cecen...yes this dance is osset but very similar to adige. it is all from one common dance in the old days. speed, music, tempo, all may be differnt but not much else. no insult here,
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago 2
"insult? i have not yet met any karachay who is insulted from being integrated into a larger caucasus culture."
No, Karachay's are proud Caucasians. What I said was I saw some Karachay's upset when told they're Adige- they claim they are not. They also claim they are not Turkic.
AnaMurida 2 years ago 2
well yes, of course, nobody wants to be forgotten. they are karachay, i am adige, i am proud to call karacahy my brothers as they probably are of me but i don't want to be called karachay because i am adige. nothing wrong with karachay or visa versa, but you know why say i am karachay if i am not, and same for karacays. i know many karachay and i can tell you they are too good looking to be turkic :))
AdigeShapsug 2 years ago
"i know many karachay and i can tell you they are too good looking to be turkic :)) "
There's no reason to be racist :) Not only Karachay's but Adige are also good looking. I am Turkic and I can confidently tell you I'm a very attractive woman and I don't have a problem saying it either- there's nothing wrong with that. I'm often asked by Turks if I'm "cerkez" because I am a bit "degishik" but I'm not. We are good looking too. Btw, I don't feel the need to insult you back :)
AnaMurida 2 years ago
i appologize if i insulted you, i thought you were karachay and i wanted to lighten things up a bit * we were getting a bit serious for youtube;)) but again thanks for not being offended. turkce konusiyormusun? cerkez dedinde? well, also if oyu are in turkey, deishik can also be liek gocmen and so on. but no offense to you, i am sure you are a lovely woman, i was again only trying to lightine things. :)
AdigeShapsug 2 years ago
I understand you, things can get a bit muddled up :) You seem like a nice person too after all :)))
AnaMurida 2 years ago
yes, they do ;) thanks
AdigeShapsug 2 years ago